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Formatting issue
For some reason, part of my profile page's formatting just stopped working (fairly recently). I use  for a few external links, and that still works fine. But I used to have the links colored as well, and for some reason now, they disappear instead of changing color. Here's the coding I'm using:
 * GWW Profile

Example:
 * GWW Profile

If you're seeing a small bit of white space under "Example", then it's not working on your end either. Now this did work like, a month ago; it still works perfectly on GuildWarsWiki and PvXWiki to boot. But for some strange reason, it doesn't work here, for me. I think it might still work in other browsers (I use Firefox), and possibly still works for other users. Is there anything different in Wikia's setup that could be possibly causing this to "malfunction" like this? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  09:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Formatting inside teh text of external links are being stripped as part of the javascript protection. The false-positives were caused by the need for a much belated response for the evolving attack methods being seen on GuildWiki, and I have not spent the time to see how I can make the net more specific without opening a hole for attacks to renew. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I see. One thing that's confusing me is, the formatting inside external links does still work, for other websites... wiki.guldwars.com doesn't work, www.pvxwiki.com does work, my personal site doesn't work, deviantART does work... is the coding particularly picky about what it does or doesn't shut down? I would think, if you're stripping formatting for external links, shouldn't that go for all external links? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  01:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The script checks if there are any sub-elements inside the external link, then check if those elements have any attributes. If so, the entire link gets removed (and if the sub-elements don't have attributes, they are considered harmless).  Does that sound about right?  If not, please paste all the links with their formatting in a bullet list so I can easily compare across them. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's see... I only half understood that, so I'll post examples instead. They're almost all different in some way, but a few of them just seem like they would both be the same...
 * - GuildWarsWiki
 * - PvXWiki
 * - VynaioccWiki
 * - deviantART
 * I would assume PvX gets through because it's a fairly normal address, but I would have thought deviantART wouldn't then, by that logic...
 * ...on this subject, there wouldn't happen to be a list of inter-wiki prefixes, would there? (talking about pvx:User:Jioruji Derako, wikipedia:User:Jioruji Derako, etc.) --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  07:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The only prefixes I know about are pvx: for pvx, wikipedia: for wikipedia articles and w: for wikia central articles RT 07:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, now THAT is weird. Let me check if it is actually the javascript I wrote that did that... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 16:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Test a:
 * - GuildWarsWiki
 * - PvXWiki
 * - VynaioccWiki
 * - deviantART
 * Test b:
 * - GuildWarsWiki
 * - PvXWiki
 * - VynaioccWiki
 * - deviantART
 * Test c:
 * - deviantART
 * - VynaioccWiki
 * - PvXWiki
 * - GuildWarsWiki
 * Ok, that's definitely a bug in my javscript )-: It's not specifically discriminating any address though, as Test c shows, it's just alternatingly skipping. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 16:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Lord Mexico
Has added a statement that he is an admin on his userpage, when this is not the case, do we remove it? (comments?) RT 18:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He just C/P'd Karlos' page over to his. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Did he? Odd RT 18:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Compare them if you must. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's actually really funny. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

yeah guys sry i thought karlos userpage was nice and that if i copied and changed the names and titles of my chars and deleted some otehr stuff i might get a nice userpage but no...Lord Mexico 18:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Its fine. If he contributed here still I'd tell you to ask if you can use it, but AFAIK he doesn't contribute to any wiki anymore. --Shadowcrest  14:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Blocked by IP
Well, I seem to be blocked. It says my IP was used by shesonly12 in the recent vandalisings. I assume it was an IP range block so I won't bother saying I didn't do anything as I'm probably just blocked by coincidence, what I'm wondering is how long it'll be for. Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  12:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Is your IP unblocked now? If it ain't, I /fail --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 12:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's doing something wierd. At first I couldn't edit anything (except my userpage and this one) then I tried to undo the mantid monitor edit and it didn't stop me, I tried editing random pages and it didn't say I was blocked (this is all before you unblocked it). The only page it now says I'm blocked on is when I try to edit my own talk page. <font color=#555>Ezekiel  <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  12:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * What browser do you use? For IE and Firefox: Ctrl+f5 might fix your probs. Chaching issues :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 12:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Using Firefox, already tried clearing the cache and it didn't change anything. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  13:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's odd. No idea why it's doing that, then. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 13:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't matter, I moved my talk and it's letting me edit the new page. So long as no-one messes with the redirect it should be fine. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  13:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That happened to me agian...I e-mailed a Admin Timir222 13:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Crap, I got it too... <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 13:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I can edit sections but I can't edit the whole page at once... <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 14:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * one last post: Seems to only block me from editing my whole userpage, and doesn't block me from sections of my userpage. If this helps at all my IP is 216.151.156.20 <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 14:04, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also getting this. Not sure why.
 * Your user name or IP address has been blocked by PanSola. The reason given is this:

Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "ShesOnly12". The reason given for ShesOnly12's block is: "multi-vandal" Your IP address is 216.151.156.20. Please include this address in any queries you make. --<font color="Orange">Paradoxical <font color="Black">Ambiance  14:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How is our IP the same?? <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 14:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No idea, but I know for sure that's not my IP. Something screwy happened.--<font color="Orange">Paradoxical <font color="Black">Ambiance  14:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember some time ago multiple people got the 'new message' message on ip adres 110.10.100 or something like that. Maybe this is a similar case? --[[Image:Progr.jpg]] -- talkpage 14:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure the same for me. AND GREAT I CAN'T EDIT MY USERPAGE OR MAKE A TEMPLATE FOR IT T_T <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 14:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is Thoughtful, I'm seeing what IP comes up when I sign. 68.101.76.36 14:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's odd, considering Special:Mytalk goes to the 216 number <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 14:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed it does... very odd. o.O--<font color="Orange">Paradoxical <font color="Black">Ambiance  14:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we should be alerting Wikia rather than the admins... <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 14:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Who's "ShesOnly12"? Oh and it says my IP is the same, though its not. Could it be they have been taken over from us? Zulu Inuoe 14:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

ShesOnly12 was a vandal from a few hours back. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  14:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As a temporary solution, try moving the page that you aren't allowed to edit, you should then be able to edit it, and if you really want you can try moving it back to where it was. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  14:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say notifying Wikia is your best bet. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 14:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, I got the ban message trying to edit Warwick's talk. I then just clicked on the talk tab, tried to re-edit again, and I could. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  14:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyone else notice it looks like a redirect? Zulu Inuoe 14:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRARGGH!!! CAN'T...EDIT...TALK PAGE!!!! <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 15:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Re-editing doesn't work for me. Ban-notice keeps popping up when I try =/--<font color="Orange">Paradoxical <font color="Black">Ambiance  15:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Same thing hsppenin with my IP 216.151.156.20--Murderer Bomb 16:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Its simple enough, just unblock 216.151.156.20? &mdash;<font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">♥May♥ <font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="3">(♥Talk♥) <font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="3">(♥Contr.♥) 17:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Try looking that IP up in the Block log. It's not blocked... >.> Also, Warw, your sig is too long.  --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 17:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

This is me http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2980/melz5.jpg and this http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4301/thevandalbt8.jpg is the vandal, so its likely a bug or the range of the ip block is beyound reason to me (i got the maps from http://www.ipligence.com/ ) 201.92.98.223 18:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * o.O Googled the IP and it came up in a Wikia e-mail log Email Log here.. (IP in log is highlighted. Following the link the IP is in goes to Wikia.)--<font color="Orange">Paradoxical <font color="Black">Ambiance  19:07, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Same thing happening to me. My IP is _NOT_ 216.151.156.20, but it says the same thing other users have noted above. I can edit most pages, but not my talk page. --Franzwald 19:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I have the same problem...Fix plx--<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  19:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok. It should be resolved. If anyone is having problems as of this moment, I'm all out of ideas. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 19:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Woot, it's fixed for me.--<font color="Orange">Paradoxical <font color="Black">Ambiance  19:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * yay me too.--[[Image:GatessMoebius Strike Icon.jpg|20px]]<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  23:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed, whatever you did, good work. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  01:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Use of code to change name of pages on userpages
Is annoying, it dosn't allow links to be clicked if near (for example redirected from x has to be clicked in a very precise way) and it is misleading, I suggest that it should not be allowed, any commments <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  20:59, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think all of the cases are misleading, actually. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can be. I cannot click the redirected from User:Maywick on User:Warwick's page, when it redirects <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  21:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I suppose that's annoying. But are there any other cases of it? --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I can click the redirect from it.. No problems on my side? Yet another case (Similar to the Position:Absolute vandalism) where AOL owns FF. &mdash;<font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">♥May♥ <font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">Wick♥ 21:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It is misleading, imo, wich is bad. Hard to bypass? Meh. Click a random link below it, esc, shift-tab. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I am maywick/may. &mdash;<font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">♥May♥ <font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">Wick♥ 21:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're Warwick, you just call yourself Maywick. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd consider it similar to the trick new message boxes. Its annoying. Lord of all tyria 21:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is, but should we really bother about these few cases? --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There were also only 3 or 4 new message boxes... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Unlike this, that was real vandalism. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * How is it vandalism when someone puts a fake new messages box on their page? It is near exactly the same case, except now the name of the page is changed. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Because the name edit pretty much still shows the username. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "User:Warwick"=/="User:May♥Wick" If I wasn't aware of that screwy business this would be confusing. --[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 21:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the idea of everyone's userpage headers saying "Marcopolo is awesome", "Vipermagi is teh shizzle", " Warwick May" or whatever. That is not the actual pagename, it isn't the real username, and if you're not a wikicode know-how then you will be confused. Argument for: well it is just the userspace, and it's my userpage, can't I do whatever I want with it? Okay, but that is only true to some extent. For the same reason we no longer allow fake message boxes (that was precedent even before the Pos=Abs stuff), stuff that is confusing, misleading, fake, etc. about your identity can't go on your userpage. For example, we also disallowed redirecting your userpage to a random page, or even to a mainspace article in general. Having no userpage (redlink) is better than one that confuses new users. The point of a userpage is to have a small piece of the Wiki to yourself where you can tool around with code, show off your characters, etc. But it is also for educating people about you, and is the first point where one goes if they would like to contact you. (Some people click User and then the "discussion" tab because they don't know to go straight to User talk:X).

Basically. I don't care if you make your header in some cool new font, or bolded, or colored, or whatever. But the same as with the signature policy, it must reflect your actual username, easily enough that a newcomer could tell it is you. Does that sound reasonable? (T/C) 20:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed mine accordingly.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I wonder if people listen to me because of what I say or because I'm bcrat. :( [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just think you make good points.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * What entropy said. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I listen to entropy, coz it is wise (and she is wise) <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  18:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's too bad RT beat me to posting this, I wholeheartedly agree. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 01:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I should have replied to this sooner but... I disagree entirely. You shouldn't be allowed to change the title text on your userpage in any way. We switched the title text to a serif to make it easier to distinguish between a true user who is mimicking them with a similar user name. The difference couldn't be seen in the address bar so it could only be seen there. If people canc hange that text all willy nilly it defeats the whole purpose. Additionally, if you arrive at the page via a redirect (from a user's signature image for example) the correct page name will not appear in the address bar. Instead the address of the page you were redirected from appears. If the user's proper name is not displayed in the title text then it makes it that much harder to determine who they are. So signatures don't have to reflect an actual user name and now neither do their user pages? How in the world do we know who is who if all these things don't actually say the correct user name? People get to chose a username when they sign up. If you don't like it, get a new username and contribute from there. Don't go changing everything around to obscure your identity. Its needlessly confusing. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 20:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm, Jedi, I think that that would be agreeing with what is posted here, not disagreeing... unless I'm misunderstanding something...--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not quite. What you guys seem to be talking about is applying our signature policy to the user pages. Personally, I don't even like when people's sigs don't match their usernames because it makes it harder for me to identify people that are new (old users I'm familiar with). Because we already accepted them, it would be inappropriate to change the policy now in that light. The difference is that I'm saying that you shouldn't be able to change your header at all versus you can change the font or change it so that its not your exact username so long as it reflect your username. The difference is that based on what Entropy said, you changing your header to MP47 would still be okay because its short for Marcopolo47 and what I'm saying is that you have to keep it Marcopolo47 and no messing with the fonts or colors or whatever. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 21:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How about a sort of compromise? Eg if you have the user you are "Pretending" to be registered, then its okay to have it? (I mean you own the account). Or, you can add things onto it. EG for me User:Warwick aka May & Maywick? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Part of the problem is that you are changing something that is technically outside the content of the page. It's changing the skin around the content. When I look at that part of the page, I want to see the actual page name. If you want to make a separate announcement that you can't pick a username, then put it below that "Hi, I'm User:Warwick but everyone calls me May" or whatever. But thats where teh title of the page shows up and you shouldn't be playing with it. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 21:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, thats an idea I think.. Give me a second.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 21:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Jedi Rogue raises a good point. Wikipedia has a new skin, called "Modern", and messing stuff with how page titles display in Monobook wouldn't work with Modern (not that we have the Modern skin here, but it's the general idea of separation of content vs interface that is important). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with Jedi on this issue; you shouldn't be using css hax to change page titles at all. It's messy, unnecessary, and confusing. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot completely about the serif addition thing. Thanks for reminding me, Jedi...although I think merely color change would do no harm, still. Since you can't encode that into a username. (Or can you?) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Making moves autoconfirmed only
Suggestion: As above, to stop the recent move vandalism <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  09:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Seconded. IP addresses and non-confirmed users probably don't need to be moving pages anyways; the past two days of move vandals seem to be on guy as well, forcing him to set an email should limit the number of accounts he can use. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  09:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It'd just slow him down between accounts. The limit on the number of one-use email accounts you can create is pretty high. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Infinite, but adds another tedious step to his/her internet inferiority schemes.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 19:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * On one hand, multi-account abuse does not seem that significant for this measure to be effective IMO; on the other hand, I imagine alot of GuildWiki users don't ahve email address confirmed (at least I don't). Thus I currently believe this restriction would do more harm than good.  Feel free to attempt to persuade me otehrwise. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can IPs move pages?--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 21:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * They cannot. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Then I also think that autoconfirm is not needed, it was one person using many accounts, and he eventually got tired and went away, and since someone is always on, there is always someone on to revert it.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 22:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought the recent incident is just one person using one accout? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * One guy, two accounts, it would seem. The last incident was the second one; either the same guy on a new account, or someone who's a big fan of his work and copying. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  01:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)