Talk:Renewing Memories

Attuned was songkai + Renewing memories...--Life Infusion 22:06, 28 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Better yet, Wielder's Zeal.

Anyone have the breakpoints for this (alone, and with Attuned Was Songkai for example?). It would be handy to know where it does the rounding. -Epinephrine, not logged in

Breakpoints
As the above said, someone find breakpoitns for this. Taking a logical guess, the best breakpoint may be at 31%, since it cuts off 1.55 energy, which should round up to 1.55 = 2 energy? I'm quite sure this is the case, because I've used it before.--204.112.134.166 23:21, 6 February 2007 (CST)

Here's the start of a table: --Carmine 22:17, 9 February 2007 (CST)

At 13 spawning power with wielder's zeal, you gain 1 energy for every 5 energy weapon spell. -Hesus

Item Spells
Anyone else find it funny that it triggers on item spells, but req. an item spell to get nrg reduction? Kinda ironic. Cast a cheap one, then cast an expensive one under this? lol  frvwfr2 (T/C) 22:02, 8 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Uh...it says Item. So, like, Scepter of Orr and stuff. Or rather, any Bundle. Not just limited to Ashes. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:09, 8 September 2007 (CDT)

synergy with Attuned was songkai
Costs with Attuned was songkai + Renewing Memories.

! Cost \ Spawning !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 11 !! 12 !! 13 !! 14 !! 15 !! 16
 * 5 || 3 || 3 || 3 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
 * 10 || 7 || 6 || 6 || 5 || 4 || 4 || 4 || 3 || 2 || 2 || 2 || 1
 * 15 || 10 || 9 || 8 || 7 || 7 || 6 || 5 || 5 || 4 || 3 || 2 || 2
 * }
 * 15 || 10 || 9 || 8 || 7 || 7 || 6 || 5 || 5 || 4 || 3 || 2 || 2
 * }
 * }

Costs with Attuned was songkai + Renewing Memories as a difference to Renewing Memories only.

! Cost \ Spawning !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 11 !! 12 !! 13 !! 14 !! 15 !! 16
 * 5 || -1 || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -2 || -2
 * 10 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -3 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -5 || -5
 * 15 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -4 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7 || -8 || -7
 * }
 * 15 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -4 || -5 || -6 || -6 || -7 || -8 || -7
 * }
 * }

Costs with Attuned was songkai + Renewing Memories as a difference to Attuned was songkai only.

! Cost \ Spawning !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 11 !! 12 !! 13 !! 14 !! 15 !! 16
 * 5 || -1 || -1 || -1 || -2 || -1 || -1 || -1 || -1 || -2 || -2 || -1 || -1
 * 10 || -1 || -2 || -1 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -2 || -3 || -4 || -3 || -3 || -4
 * 15 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -5
 * }
 * 15 || -2 || -3 || -3 || -4 || -3 || -4 || -4 || -4 || -4 || -5 || -5 || -5
 * }
 * }

This spell is also uselful if you recast same item spell while holding it.

Pls also note that this spell reduces cost, not base cost as Attuned was songkai does. If you remember old describtion of Vampiric Spirit, 3 additional energy that were needed to cast spell were costs, not base costs, and Renewing memories has, as I well remember, taken that into account while Attuned was songkai hasn´t.

Also pls add a tag about this post on Attuned Was Songkai page. thx johnny--85.207.210.115 23:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

EDIT:

You can see roundings here

! Rounding !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 11 !! 12 !! 13 !! 14 !! 15 !! 16
 * 5 || 0 || 0 || 0 || -1 || 0|| 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 0 || 1 || 1
 * 10 || 1 || 0 || 1 || 0 || -1 || -1 || 1 || 0 || -1 || 0 || 0 || 1
 * 15 || 0 || 0 || 0 || -1 || 0 || 1 || 1 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0
 * }
 * 15 || 0 || 0 || 0 || -1 || 0 || 1 || 1 || 0 || 1 || 0 || 0 || 0
 * }
 * }

Positive numbers show where rounding is down, negative where rounding is up. So rounding in system towards player benefit (real value - expect value) is where -1 are. johnny--85.207.210.115 23:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)