Talk:The Amnoon Oasis

"The Amnoon Oasis" is the correct spelling, everywhere it is referenced in the game. "Amnoon Oasis" should be redirected here.

I can't imagine why this would have been marked for deletion. --Uigrad

to bring it back here: Special:Wantedpages until someone fills in some GOOD content. --Ollj

Tanaric, what's your reasoning? --Fyren 06:13, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)

It's Amnoon Oasis (without the) in the ingame map. --Geeman 06:19, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * Not on mine. Did you check or are you going off memory?  --Fyren 06:26, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * Oops, my mistake. I checked this map and did not look carefully enough, The seems to be faded by a cloud or something :p --Geeman 06:31, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)

I have to agree. This should be the canonical page and the other should redirect. If necessary this can be referred to with Amnoon Oasis or whatever. MartinLightbringer 08:17, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * Yeah, definitely "The Amnoon Oasis". There's not much on Amnoon Oasis so I won't bother with a move. Feel free to remove the delete template here though and add the correct information. 08:26, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)

Oops. Didn't look at the talk page before changing s, because I was looking through a certain editor's recent contributions at the time, and assumed his  on Amnoon Oasis was misguided. Sorry about that. However, I stand by the sentiment, even though the delete tag was inappropriate. We don't say "I went to The White House after visiting The Parliament Building and The Louvre." In English, necessary articles before a proper noun do not become part of that proper noun. I notice that Henge of Denravi is an article, and not The Henge of Denravi, even though the "the" must exist when using the location in a sentence (ignoring the improper delete tag on THAT page... *sigh*). &mdash;Tanaric 20:02, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * Gah, my example is bad, but not because I'm wrong; even though everybody should use a "the" before "Henge of Denravi," it seems that nobody but me actually does. Still, I hope my point is clear.  &mdash;Tanaric 20:42, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * While your point isn't incorrect, the issue as most of us seem to see it, is that on the game map the "The" is there, so that's what the article should be called. Martin mentioned you can just do Amnoon Oasis, so I don't think there's a problem.  --Fyren 05:45, 3 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * /sigh. I'll defer to the will of the majority, of course, but I don't like it. Be sure to link to the Amnoon Oasis in most cases, though, as that way proper case is preserved.  MediaWiki is case-insensitive to the first letter of an article title, so this is both appropriate and useful. &mdash;Tanaric 19:41, 3 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * Wait, before I do that, I want to argue the case more. In the game, the "the" is used because the Amnoon Oasis is only referred to in that context&mdash;as a subject or an object.  However, there are plenty of usages where even the game wouldn't use the "the."  For example: "An Amnoon Oasis–based Xunlai Storage Agent was found dead."  Just because that particular sentence structure isn't in the game does not mean that it's invalid.  Removing the "the" from the article title does not cause it to conflict with the game in the least. &mdash;Tanaric 19:47, 3 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * It's much easier to say " There was someone in the Amnoon Oasis " than it is to say " An Amnoon Oasis–based Xunlai... ". I'm not saying I know which is correct, but I don't disagree with Tanaric here. 08:19, 7 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * A lot of the choices for capitalization are based solely on "the game has it that way." Death penalty is Death Penalty, as far as I know, only because when you ctrl-click on it, that's what it says.  This is the same.  On the map, it says "The Amnoon Oasis."  --Fyren 16:26, 7 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * This is where I come in! I think we have been doing it wrong all along. I believe we should:
 * Make the search engine case insensitive
 * Use proper Capitalization rules of the English Language and avoid this mess of "Morale boost" or "morale Boost" or "The Searing" vs "Searing" and "The Mamnoon Lagoon" vs "Mamnoon Lagoon"
 * The standard right now is wobbly. It's whatever the game does. Capitalization is obviously not done consistently in the game. Some skill descriptions use different style than other skills. We should just use the standard and avoid this entire controversy. --Karlos 17:30, 7 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * Completely, wholeheartedly agreed! However, changing the title engine to be case-insensitive would require editing the source.  Not saying it's impossible, just saying it's work.  I believe that simply following typical English grammar would fix most of the problems.  Skills remain capitalized because they're all proper nouns.  Items could go either way.  Locations and names are obvious.  Everything else is lowercase. &mdash;Tanaric 09:39, 8 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * I absolutely disagree about skills being proper nouns. But, I would not mind breaking GW's case for things since I always type with "proper" English.  GW's cases irritate me to no end.  It's just that we've always gone with GW's cases for everything thus far.  --Fyren 10:16, 8 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * I am assuming there is simply a flag or switch to be turned on in the engine that will make it case-insensitive. I would expect that much from the software. Not sure who can check on this... LordBiro or who? I am also assuming that there is a capitalization champ who will run through all the articles (at his/her own pace) and make this change effective. If the engine is case insensitive, then he/she can take their time without breaking any searches. I am not a good candidate. English is not my native language and I tend to "over-capitalize." :) --Karlos 10:34, 8 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * Well, using what the game uses is the simple way :) It means we don't have to think. But of course when there are inconsistencies in the game that means we inherit them. I'm all for common sense changes in capitalisation, but I'm also for as little work as possible ;)
 * I don't really know very much about MediaWiki, Martin might be able to shed some light on how the MediaWiki searches via MySQL (he seems quite an expert on the subject). 10:45, 8 Aug 2005 (EST)

Too many colons. To my knowledge, the search box IS case insensitive. Searching for "meteor shower," "METEOR SHOWER," and "Meteor Shower" all take me to the page. About the simple way, it's harder to remember how the game capitalizes things, I think. --Fyren 11:10, 8 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * I'm sorry, by search I mean the references in the articles. If someone links to "Morale Boost" or "morale boost" they should get to "Morale Boost." Currently, the references are only insensitive to the first letter.. Examples: Meteor Shower meteor shower Meteor shower. The point is that it places a great burden upon authors to know exactly how the word is capitalized. So, a new contributor who is not very solid on capitalization rules, would submit an article and end up with 90% of the references red even though they exist. :) --Karlos 11:19, 8 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * If we move to "normal" case as opposed to GW case, it should make sense how to capitalize. What's the difference, anyway, the way it is now?  It doesn't make sense to remember "Morale Boost" but "fire damage."  I would say normal case would be easier than game case, except we'd have to fix existing links.  --Fyren 12:03, 8 Aug 2005 (EST)