GuildWiki:Requests for arbitration/Not a fifty five vs Karlos

September 11, 2006: Not a fifty five vs. Karlos
Discuss on this arbitration's discussion page.
 * Arbitrator: Tanaric

Original arbitration request
Tho you did say you loved your page when stuff like this happens lol. Anyways, I thought the matter would have been settled with karlos agreeing with any of the 5 reasons why his banning me was not a good idea, but he dismissed them all nonchalantly. I would like for you, when you want some light reading, to look at the bottom half of my now humorous talk page. Following precedent of karlos, I wish to call for about 2 years' worth of bannings for vandalism of build votes, and the temporary release of karlos' administrative powers. You'll find this somewhere in the topic "can we cut the crap now?"

Obviously, I dont believe this should be done. However, I find no alternative given karlos and 99% of the wiki's (one person agreed with me I think) flat denial that banning me was wrong, and the precedent as is must be followed.

Please do not post in this topic unless you are tanaric, I'd like for him to not have to sift through *^$&%$%$# "he did it, she did it" comments that would inevitably arise.(Not a fifty five 16:32, 10 September 2006 (CDT))

Not a fifty five
Not a fifty five has been on the wiki since August, and has contributed almost exclusively within the builds vetting process. Recently, he has begun contributing in policy discussions that relate to builds. Despite his account's relatively short age, he has been an active and worthwhile contributor.

His recent policy arguments have centered around a more thorough, informative vetting process for builds. He is attempting to get rid of commentless votes that do not help the build submitter or the rest of the community see why certain builds become favored/unfavored.

Karlos
Karlos is a long-time contributor, editor, and administrator of the wiki. He has been very active in... well, everything, really, with the exception of build vetting. He is known for being a magnet for user conflict; however, some of the more notable users he's butted heads with still maintain that he's done nothing improper as an administrator. Karlos is the first to admit he's made mistakes, and he's even campaigned for the people that point them out to him. Of all the admins of the GuildWiki, Karlos has the honor of having been asked to step down/be kicked off the team the most.

I was one of the more vocal proponents of making Karlos an admin back when he was first appointed. I have quite a bit of respect for him, but I have not hesitated to disagree with him when I thought he was in the wrong.

Recent related events
The build vetting process is currently undergoing revision, in a process supported by many long-time contributors, including myself. You can read more about this on Builds.

The issue
Not a fifty five sought to prove that the builds vetting process was flawed. Instead of voting as he usually does&mdash;that is, instead of being helpful, informative, and constructive&mdash;he provided commentless/cruel votes instead. More importantly, he then moved the builds in question immediately to the unfavored category, even though one of the builds had only two votes.

Somewhat ironically, one of the users who had previously submitted commentless votes (User:Rapta) had the first vote in this example, and he provided a great summary of why the build in question wasn't that good.

Skuld stated that Not a fifty five's actions were wrong. Not a fifty five replied, stating that he didn't actually feel this way, and was trying to prove a point. Karlos stated that this sort of vandalism is never appropriate. Not a fifty five replied, stating that he did not believe his actions constituted vandalism. Karlos then banned him for three days, on the principle that since the warning given clearly did not have the desired effect, the administration had a responsibility to escalate the situation to the next level.

Not a fifty five emailed me in an attempt to get the ban lifted. I attempted to reply, but learned only today that my message did not go through. My college is performing significant network maintenance, etc. In any case, I did not lift the ban.

Not a fifty five believes that Karlos's actions were inappropriate, and has been attempting to get an apology from him since the incident. No user has stepped up in support of Not a fifty five's actions. Because no apology has been issued, Not a fifty five has called for every user in the past who contributed a commentless vote to also be banned for three days.

In another somewhat ironic twist, he stated that he doesn't actually believe these bans should occur, which is the same sort of misrepresentation that got him banned in the first place.

About the banning of Not a fifty five
You got off easy. I would have banned you for significantly longer, had I seen your actions first and been able to reliably access the Internet. I do not believe Karlos acted inappropriately in the slightest. In fact, I'm somewhat impressed at the restraint he's shown in this case, especially considering his reputation. ;)

About the issue of the builds vetting process
I myself wholeheartedly agree with the push to make the vetting process more wikilike. That said, I think Not a fifty five grossly overestimates his own contribution to this process. His vandalism was not necessary to get people talking. People were already talking!

Other responses
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