User talk:PanSola

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Archiving Stabber's talk page..
Why? --Karlos 01:32, 1 July 2006 (CDT)


 * It is my hope, that by archiving the conversations which are essentially dead (though matters not concluded), that it will decrease the likelihood of people perform thread-necromancy or even drama-necromancy. The original drama was already blown up way out of proportions to a sickening magnitude, I do not wish to furthur encourage anyone keeping the fires burning.  By all means it's fine to continue to figure out what our policy on Sockpuppetry should be, and once that's figured out depending on the policy we may wish to rigorously look into whether Stabber should be found guilty of any accusions against him/her; but Stabber's talk page should not degenerate into free-for-all commentary on online stalking, sockpuppetry, and other dramas on the internet.  - 05:33, 1 July 2006 (CDT)


 * The talk page however contained evidence very pertinent to the discussion. In addition, the added links were not vandalism, so you're editing other user talk pages against the policy you yourself were advocating. Preventing thread-necromancy (in and of itself) is not exactly an acceptable reason (so what if the thread is resurrected?) but even if that is the case, the necromancer can just go edit the talk on Community Portal and/or the Sock puppetry page.
 * I am more interested in precedent and policy. You were the one who was telling me I have no business trying to force a talk page on Deldda, now you're editing Stabber's talk page. What gives? --Karlos 08:27, 1 July 2006 (CDT)


 * I think archiving it was a good idea, but to prevent this talk Pan should probably have told Karlos beforehand. I was so sure Karlos will comment when I saw the archiving and the update notes. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 08:50, 1 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Perhaps it conflicts/contradicts/differs with the exact wording I have conveyed before, but I still believe I have no right to force an edit on Stabber's user talk page against her/his wishes. My edit summary explicitly allowed Stabber to revert the changes I made, thus fully respecting Stabber's soverignty over Stabber's user talk page.  If Stabber ever logs in and reverts it, that's fine by me and I fully respect that, I won't be offended or decide to ban Stabber.  There is sufficient reason to consider Stabber's departure this time to be different from the previous times, and that even if the user still uses/contributes to GuildWiki the chances that the user will ever log in as Stabber again is slim.  My archiving of the talk page was intended to manage the page in the User's absence (as in not logging in), and again the user may revert it as s/he sees fit.
 * If the added links were vandalism, I would've simply reverted them without archiving them.
 * I'm not trying to prevent necromancy, but trying to discourage unnecessary ones. If the issues are important enough, the archiving would not have prevented the issues from being resurrected.  However, keeping certain things on the main talk page will simply encourage people to drag on a drama that has been a dead horse for quite a while.  I wouldn't actually mind those links posted on the Sockpuppet talk page at all.  In fact, part of what annoyed me was that I think it really belonged TO the sockpuppetry talk page or community portal page (assuming it would be neutral commentary on Online Stalking, Sockpuppetry, or Online Drama in general; instead of directed at the incident with Stabber) as opposed to belonging  to Stabber's talk page.  Thus if the archiving of the Stabber's talk page encourage future stuff like the posting of those links to go to Sockpuppetry's talk page, then that is an extremely satisfactory result to me.
 * I did not delete the talk page, I did not simply blank it. I archived it.  If we ever need to examine the previously posted evidences again, it's not much of an issue to locate them.  They are in the talk page's history AND in the archive. - 21:10, 1 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Yes, so you are basically contradicting yourself. You're saying: "I am doing this change, but I am absolutely NOT forcing it on Stabber's talk page, she can revert it if she likes, she is absolutely free. Although I am fairly certain she is reading this and cannot possibly login with her Stabber username to agree/disagree with it."
 * That's a pretty convoluted logic. I'd think if a user left (and left his user page and talk page in a certain state), you cannot honestly say "I am doing an edit that they are free to remove." Stabber chose to leave her user page (and talk page) in a certain state. I don't understand how you can do this and justify your earlier policy. This still seems like an obvious inconsistency to me. Are we allowing a "greater good" clause in that "admins shall not edit user pages" law you proposed or what? You know Stabber is not gonna login as Stabber just to correct you on that edit if she didn't like it. --Karlos 23:58, 2 July 2006 (CDT)

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nicely done with your sig-trick, you've inspired me! Alexanderpas Talk 13:56, 1 July 2006 (CDT)

Bye
Thanks, now that there are all these ruls I'm not using my account anymore, this is the last time you will ever hear from me