User talk:Stylva/Archive 1

Welcome to GuildWiki! --Jamie  08:16, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Thanks! ^^ -- Stylva 08:36, 21 June 2006 (CDT)

Welcome to GuildWiki. Much like yourself I thought I played too much to update my userpage until I found that there was so much I could do with it. Believe me when i say that you've already got a jump on most with just the babel boxes. LOL--&mdash; xis10al   15:05, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Thanks =) I think I might find some time and inspiration for my user page.. When I've filled up the slots on my second account ;) -- Stylva 16:34, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Remember to give credit to the user whos user page you used as inspiration. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 07:23, 22 June 2006 (CDT)

Headings on userpage
you might want to consider droping the headers down for your characters, currently Second Account is on the same level as your characters, for a more effective Table of Contents you should lower the headers of the subsections (the characters). If you have no wish to use the ToC at all then add to your userpage. --Jamie  07:29, 22 June 2006 (CDT)

15
please review Template:cost and see if this meets your needs. --Honorable Sarah 14:36, 21 August 2006 (CDT)
 * No gold icon, lovely. Just one small thing, is it possible to align it to the right in the table with the template? (Like the CostP and CostG does) Otherwise the template works as I wanted it to =) Thanks 01:48, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

Why did you delete so many armor icon images?
I just checked, you removed the Ritualist Exotic 15k armor icons. OK, there was a mistake and they shared the filename of the 1.5k Exotic. But WHY did you delete Kurzick 15k Warrior armor icons as well, and not only that, you deleted almost all armor icons. I doubt if this was necessary, absolutely uncalled for. With Nightfall to be released soon there will be some armors that will not have icons anymore, especially undyed.

Please explain me what were the reasons for this mass deletion. I will not bother to upload files for Kurzick 15k warrior armor before. Now that I have dyed my Ritualist armor I will not be able to upload undyed 15k exotic armor icons. The latest version of the file you deleted was 15k exotic undyed btw, but unfortunately I do not have a backup of the file on my HD. --Long 05:49, 9 September 2006 (CDT)


 * I'm so sorry, but I don't follow you at all. What I did was to link the Ritualist 15k Exotic icons to the right name, they do not look the same as the 1.5k version after all. What icons did it say I deleted? I have not done so on purpose, I can assure you. My mistake if it has happened. Please link to the page with the log on my deletion, and I will try to fix what has happened.
 * I must say I'm most confused. I just uploaded some armor icons for thr PvP armors... ― Stylva 06:13, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

Hi, first of all, please take no personal offence. I just wonder what happened and why. Let me be more precise. Take a look at the Ritualist Exotic 15k armor - the armor icon is gone. The same for the Warrior Kurzick 15k. You can check your own contributions http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Stylva and see that you did something to the icons. The result was that now, there were already many armors without icons, almost no armors have their proper armor icons anymore. I think you intended a cleanup, nothing against this. I think you reformatted the fileNAMES? Then already existing files simply do no longer get displayed as name of the linked image on the page changed. Should be possible to restore them to the filenames you gave the armor icons, but it is quite some effort. There is also an issue with the format of the armor icons itself. There is nowhere a guideline how the format (30x100 pixels, just for example) should be, and armor icons are usually rarely uploaded and then usually in very different sizes. You cannot avoid unfilled white boxes or uneven armor icon sizes when nobody knows the right format. I will try to restore some armor icons tonight, I suggest you try to reconstruct some, too. --Long 08:10, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

Ah, this is it: You uploaded http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Ritualist_Exotic_M_icons.jpg but http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Ritualist_Exotic_Armor_M_icons.jpg is used for the http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ritualist_Exotic_Armor page.

Then there were some other confusions: Ritualist Exotic Armor and Ritualist Exotic 15k Armor used to have THE SAME armor icons on their page. So changing it or the filename affected both armors.

I am still confused, I will work on restoring some armor icons tonight. --Long 08:19, 11 September 2006 (CDT)


 * The explanation is this, there has recently been some changing going on in the armor art box templates. Vulpes Foxnik has been informed, as he is working alot on standardizing the armor pages at the moment. He has looked into it, and I think he might have solved part of this problem. I also noticed that the icons still are there, but are linked to the wrong name as you stated. This has to do with the template. My conclusion is, that when I updated the page on other issues, the template also updated, and therefore it seems like I did delete the icons, though I did not. I just used the template as before.
 * One exception, the ritualist exotic 15k armor. There I added the parameter "ascended=yes", because the 15k and 1.5k versions aren't really the same. Now the pages link to different images. Is this not correct?
 * I will also work as much as I can on restoring the icons, putting them under the correct name. I don't think I caused it, but that doesn't matter really. Let's just work together to solve this =) ― Stylva 09:05, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

Hi Stylva, you are right, the reason for the missing armor icons was this armor art box template change, not you. You just uploaded some files related to armor icons. I just saw the result and thought it was you, should have asked Vulpes instead, my bad!. I uploaded male Armor Icons for the Kurzick 15k Warrior armor, this was quite easy. Much harder is it to find the old armor icon files and re-upload them under the new names of the template. Maybe I should check Vulpes contributions, it is probably the easiest way to find out the old filenames of the armor icons and re-upload them under the new filenames of the template. --Long 05:17, 12 September 2006 (CDT)


 * No problem Long, no hard feelings =) I found that going through the pages to find what armor pages miss icons, and then go to the image upload log and search them was the easiest way to find the old icons, for me at least. Hope it helps you. ― Stylva 07:56, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

Unique (Green) Items Tables
You're working against me here. I have been trying to get all the tables for unique items to look the same. This includes adding Damage Type and Required Attribute. I understand there will be repeated information, but when you look at the final product, Unique items quick reference (Prophecies), I think you'll agree that it will look best and be easier to read with the extra columns. Flesh Over Steel 10:30, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
 * I'm so sorry, it was not my intention. Though I really don't like to have the same information repeated on a lot of places, it confuses. If the req and damage should be in the table, then the req and damage should NOT be listed elsewhere, in my opinion. Just the heading: Blood Magic, no additional sentence "All items listed here require blood magic" since it says so both in the heading and in the table. There can't be anyone that silly to need to read it thrice... ;) Plus, it's stated in the article of the item itself.. And, as in the mesmer quick reference, the damage type is listed even in the legend. Maybe we don't need it stated there, since no other profession has it. Just my opinion, if you think I'm totally wrong, then I will just stay away from those pages. =) -- Stylva 13:11, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

Bow Tables
I noticed you went through and finished converting all the Bow stat tables. I just wanted to say thanks for doing this. It's so much cleaner than the version I had left in there. :)  Vallen Frostweaver  14:30, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Thanks =) &mdash; Stylva  06:06, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

Your Mesmer's Armour
Hey Stylva, I was wondering if you'd be willing to share what colour combination you used to dye your Mesmer's armour? Feel free to reply here or on my page, whatever. Thanks! -- Imbril Shadowfire  18:38, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
 * On Magi Kan's armor you mean? Since Maya's armor isn't dyed at all, probably you mean her.. It's just a plain blue and green dye mix. One blue, one green =) &mdash; Stylva  06:05, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Heh, yes, that's exactly what I meant! I kinda figured that, but thanks for confirming! :) --[[Image:SmallMapleLeaf.jpg|User:ImbrilShadowfire]] Imbril Shadowfire  12:08, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

Armor Images
I would agree with you about the iconized versions of the armor images if they were created from a different image than the full images. If you think the iconized versions are too small, then make them larger. It's a simple change on the page. There's no reason to remove content (the back view) in order to make the iconized images larger. Boris


 * The galleries is only there for a quick view, to see detailed pictures you would go to the respective armor page anyway. All the older armor galleries use this standard with only front view in the gallery table, that's why I prefer it. Images should preferable not include front and back view in the same image, since then they are harder to use for any other purpose on the wiki. Still, just my opinions. &mdash; Stylva  12:46, 25 November 2006 (CST)


 * I missed that link. I see your point now and will make the changes.  Boris


 * Thanks alot, and sorry if I was irritating. Armor galleries are my favourites, I quickly get a little over-protecting. ;) &mdash; Stylva  12:51, 25 November 2006 (CST)


 * Nope. You were 100% right.  I misunderstood.  Thanks for catching the goof.  I'll get some additional dyeable areas posted next.  Boris 15:13, 25 November 2006 (CST)

Dead-end armor pages
I was going through Special:Deadendpages to clean stuff up and noticed these articles in it: Only the last two are included into other articles. I figure only those showing up on the dead-end list is odd. Some of the images in those are used elsewhere but most aren't. Looking through the S&F and armor pages, I have no clue what should be done, really. When you have time, please flag any of those articles and images for deletion if applicable. --Fyren 01:02, 3 December 2006 (CST)
 * Radiant Armor (PvP)/Male
 * Radiant Armor (PvP)/Female
 * Paragon Istane Armor/Female
 * Water Design/Female
 * Dervish PvP Windwalker's Armor/Female
 * Ranger Istani Armor/Female


 * I will look them through and see what can be done. I suppose you meant Paragon Istani Armor/Female. &mdash; Stylva  14:33, 3 December 2006 (CST)


 * Nothing wrong with Paragon Istani Armor and Paragon Istani Armor/Female as far as I can see. Same with Ranger Istani. I don't know about the pictures in Dervish PvP Windwalker's Armor/Female, since I don't see all of them replaced with better ones on Dervish Ancient Armor (which is the corresponding art). But they still aren't as great as one could wish, not really following S&F.
 * The other pages and images are flagged for deletion where it was applicable. &mdash; Stylva  14:59, 3 December 2006 (CST)


 * The "Istane" page existed when I posted. Anyway, is there a guideline for hero armor galleries?  There's Zhed Shadowhoof/Armor Gallery and Tahlkora Elite Sunspear Armor, maybe more.  --Fyren 01:33, 4 December 2006 (CST)
 * I Modified Fyren's post to point to new Zhed link — Biscuits (talk [[Image:Biscuit.png]] contribs) 16:29, 12 December 2006 (CST)


 * I have yet not seen any guidelines for Hero armor galleries, we should definitely put some up. Like it is now, there exists alot of different hero armor pages with defferent designs. Maybe use the same standard as profession armor pages, but include all hero armor in one article? The information on where to get it is already present in Hero article. &mdash; Stylva  04:16, 4 December 2006 (CST)

Gray :(
Hi still doing great work with the armor. But Anet named it gray dye. I did the same error and still don't like the spelling gray but to stay with Anet I change to gray. No need to change the armor already uploaded but for next time maybe use gray instead of grey.:) &mdash; ├ A  ratak  ┤  11:50, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * Ah, I knew there was some problem with that grey/gray.. Bleh. Ohwell, I could upload again and delete-tag.. but that would just clutter things. I will try to remember for next time :) &mdash; Stylva  11:52, 7 December 2006 (CST)

Armor style and formatting
Hi Stylva! Thanks for your offer of help. I've been going through a lot of the armor articles and they are just a mess. There are so many different things going on there. So I thought I would make an example page (or more) to work on the ideal way an armor page should look. So I might make a few because armor from Proph is very different from NF and so on (with multiple acquisition methods, dual campaign art, etc).

If you would like to help I have started (barely) over at User:Bexor/Blank Armor and if you have any ideas or thoughts on what needs to be done (from your experiences with the articles) feel free to leave notes on the talk page there. I just worked on Dervish Ancient Armor for a while, 'attempting to get it cleaned up but it's still not ideal.

I should be making some more changes tomorrow or the following day, but just wanted to let you know. :) - BeXoR   13:20, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * I will take a look and share my opinions and ideas, I just love armor and armor articles are my babies, so I thought I would join with you. And you also seem quite a reasonable and nice guy to work with ;)
 * I will leave comments on your armor test page mostly, so we can keep track of ideas popping up, if necessary. :) &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 13:39, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * I moved it to User:Bexor/Armor Project though if you were watching it I think the watch would move (and I think there is still a redirect there). - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 10:31, 2 January 2007 (CST)

Hero Armor
Hello Stylva. I reorganised the pages linked in the hero armor table. Mostly I added categories to all the galleries, moved the overview galleries to the related armor page (example: Ancient Armor), added proper links and standardised the text. Do you have any comments or different ideas? Do you think it's okay to refer to hero armor upgraded with Mysterious Armor Pieces as "Ancient Armor"? Thanks. --Glynnis (talk|contr) 12:45, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * I've seen some of your edits on my watchlist already, very good work there. I don't have any special comments or ideas at the moment, I think it looks fine now. Plus, I'm very into BeXoR's armor project, so all I think of is player armor at this time ;)
 * About Mysterious armor, I'm not sure, but to include the galleries on the Ancient Armor page and such, good idea. And then we need Mysterious armor to be an armor kind, and Ancient is closest in my opinion. So I say keep it there, even if it is not perfect, it's the best. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 06:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)
 * Thanks. :) I was mostly worried about putting Mysterious Armor in the wrong place. As you said, we don't have a better place (for now). --Glynnis  (talk|contr) 13:22, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Character Layout
Would you mind if i use you character descriptions layout? --Aqiunas 08:04, 5 January 2007 (CST)
 * Not at all! I've taken alot from Helena, so maybe you should take a look there also :) And, we try to link to the users that we got inspiration from, so that would be kind of you to do. Either link to me or Helena and give a small credit for design. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 09:18, 5 January 2007 (CST)
 * Great! thanks. i will put both of you in my "thanks section" which will be named to "Thanks/Inspiration/Credit Section".--Aqiunas [[Image:Aquinas_sig.jpg|15px]] 19:16, 5 January 2007 (CST)

Renaming
What is your opinion on moving all of the armor art pages to be called "Profession Type Armor"? For instance at the moment we have "Mesmer Ascalon Armor" and "Enchanter's Armor (art)". I propose that it be moved to "Mesmer Enchanter's Armor". The current page name is confusing to me because it doesn't follow the naming conventions of 90% of the armor art pages. We can leave the old page as a redirect though if necessary. - BeXoR   16:27, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * I would very much like to move that page to a nicer name. Enchanter's armor (art) is odd, plus the art part isnt even necessary with the remaking of function articles. Mesmer Enchanter's Armor sounds better :) Bet keep a redirect, people are used to that name now maybe. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 19:25, 10 January 2007 (CST)

"(15k)" armor pages
When you come across pages like Wanderer's Armor (15k), could you flag them for deletion (and perhaps fix links to them)? I deleted about 10 of them earlier as nothing was linking to them. --Fyren 07:50, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Ok, I will. I thought we kept the for redirecting purposes. I think you mean pages as Dragon Design also? Just making clear so I don't delete tag too much &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 07:51, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * If someone might try to search for it, it can stay, but no one's ever going to type "wanderer's armor (15k)" in the search box. At best they'd try "wanderer's armor."  --Fyren 07:55, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * I see. Then I know what to delete tag. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 07:56, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Armor crafter
Can you help me with my armor crafter tables? You seem much better at formatting stuff than me. Thanks. --Glynnis (talk|contr) 15:55, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Don't know if I'm better, but I will take a look and comment :) &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 15:58, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * I had a new idea for the armor crafter tables. I replaced the armor rating notes with a better description.  If you have time, please look at my updated armor page.  Thanks! --Glynnis   17:39, 16 January 2007 (CST)
 * Looks very nice. That little table is good, one picture is more than a thousand words ;) Don't have time to comment any more atm, bedtime. Will look more tomorrow. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 17:52, 16 January 2007 (CST)

Re-formatted Armor section
Hey, I saw you reformatted the whole armor section and all armor articles. Wow! This was not only an awful lot of work, it even makes sense and looks really good, much better than before. Much better overview indeed. I think the removal of the Armor icons was a good decision, they were rarely uploaded and often wrong. I do not know if you plan to re-introduce them. A good idea is also the listing of the total materials required, but people often count the materials with headgear and sometimes without, which is not always mentioned. Standardization of the templates of all the many armors is a tantalizing Sisyphean task, and I think this deserves a big thumbs up! Especially from me, last time I accused you wrongly for screwing up all kinds of icons, templates and whatsoever. So take this as an apology and congratulation on a job well done. :) --Long 08:07, 17 January 2007 (CST)
 * Thanks alot Long! But don't give all the credit to me, the big boss here about the changes is actually Bexor, much credit to her for getting us all started! &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 08:28, 17 January 2007 (CST)
 * Bah, if you all followed my gallery from the start we woudn't have that much trouble ;) Just a little word to say the credit should go the Ledrug who started that projet way back but either cut crush by the task or got bored of it.&mdash; ├ A ratak ┤  08:32, 17 January 2007 (CST)
 * Oh, that may be true, I've seen alot of Ledrug's armor pictures. But it was Bexor who got us started on the whole armor pages thingy this last time ;) &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 08:34, 17 January 2007 (CST)
 * Sorry for me inelegant use of english it should say some credit should go to Ledrugs. Bexor did get us to work togheter instead of all seperatly with our own format.  Wich in most cases wasn't very different.  Only the naming of the files mostly.  The reste, the armor function that he took on is a huge task and that he should be thank for.&mdash; ├ A ratak ┤  08:38, 17 January 2007 (CST)
 * Np, we should not diminish Ledrug's work either :) It's fun that so many people care about the armor articles and their well-being &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 08:40, 17 January 2007 (CST)

User box
I nominate you for the Most Useful User Box award. I started to edit a template with variables and became quickly confused. I looked for documentation everywhere and couldn't find it. Then I clicked the link in the user box on your page and voila! The student learns. However, the real reason I am here is to tell you about the new Nav Box I made for Monk armor at Template:MonkArmorNavBox. If you like it and agree, do you want to add it to the monk armor art pages? --Glynnis  14:42, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * Yea, I had SO much trouble finding that page myself, so I put it up in a place where I could always find it. I'm happy someone else could use it too :D The navbox looks great, I'm just concerned about the red link. Is Monk Headgear going to be moved to Monk headgear or should we just edit the link in the navbox? If you don't do it first, I will go around and put it on all monk armor pages. And please, go ahead and move/remove that Template:Prophecies ascended armor if you want to, I don't like the naming of that one, though I like the design. 15:25, 20 January 2007 (CST)&mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs)
 * The new naming rules say Monk headgear so the page should be moved. I was really surprised there was only one red link in the NavBox.  I think you have been busy. ;)  Good work!  For the ascended armor NavBox, do you find it useful?  I think it should be deleted (or at least not used).  --Glynnis   15:33, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * It's better to have the profession navbox than the cross profession (Prophecies ascended) I think. And yes, I have moved all monk armor articles now, working on mesmer ;) Not moved headgear though, since I don't know how they will work. I will go ahead and move those too when I have time. And add the navboxes. As you finish the other profession navboxes, let me know and I'll add them in as I move the articles to correct names. :) I like simple, small, repetitive tasks, like moving pages and adding templates. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 15:41, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * You can have all the small repetitive tasks. I hate them!  I like making things like the NavBoxes.  It's so satisfying for some reason.  I'll work on mesmer next.  It's pretty easy because I do a search & replace.  I only have to hand edit the Prophecies armors.  I'm glad ANet improved armor naming for Factions and Nightfall.  What were they thinking in Prophecies?!?  --Glynnis   15:57, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * Mesmer is finished. :D  Template:MesmerArmorNavBox --Glynnis   16:12, 20 January 2007 (CST)


 * Hi. The Nav Box is ready for all the Core profs now.
 * I have a question. On the function pages, I need to categorise the armors by prof.  The bonelace function will be in Category:Necromancer armor and the Dreadnought function will be in Category:Warrior armor.  Where do I put the insignias for all profs, Category:Common armor?  Or maybe I don't categorise it by prof.  --<font color="00D245">Glynnis   14:14, 23 January 2007 (CST)


 * Great, I will implement them when I start to move pages, working with Necromancer still. My first thought about the categories was to put them in all categories or in Category:Core armor. But Core is not that great. And putting them in all would sure look weird at the bottom of the page, but I think it would be best. There is no "Common armor", just common insignias, and I dont think they need a separate category. They're not special in any way, they are just everyones armor. Then, in every category.. ;) (if you don't like my logic, it's ok. It's late :P) &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 18:42, 23 January 2007 (CST)


 * If you can believe it, I agree with your logic! (It must be time for sleep.)  To be practical, I removed the profession armor categories from functions that can be used by all profs.  Please look at the sample function pages and tell me if you see anything to improve.  If not, I will start documenting how to use the armor function box (assuming I can remember).  Also I finished all the Nav Boxes.  Keep up the good work moving the pages one by one.  :)  --<font color="00D245">Glynnis   17:25, 24 January 2007 (CST)

Questions

 * 1) Do you think that for the art pages we should have separate level two headings for crafting and trading? The way it's done now is a bit confusing but I think it might turn out better if we just eliminate the word "acquisition" altogether seeing as it complicates things to no end. For example if you can get it from making a new PVE char, then a line in the description stating it is a starter armor should suffice. Then for crafting we can have that as the level two heading, and then campaigns as level 3 headings. And in the rare case where the art is a collector armor then trading can be a level two heading.
 * 2) Did you ever decide your opinion on the Warrior Ascalon Armor? I think having {Prophecies} at the end is probably the way to go.
 * 3) Have you seen Aratak's sandbox? He has suggested changing the gallery template images to 100px wide. It looks pretty good but he does want more opinions. :) - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 11:34, 26 January 2007 (CST)
 * 1. Very good idea, that makes the odd headings disappear and it makes it look alot clearer, I think. 2. No, I haven't decided, I thought I would move on with the other professions first and think abit. I agree, Warrior Ascalon Armor (Prophecies) sounds like the best one, to me. 3. Not seen arataks sandbox, will take a look there and then comment over there :) &mdash;  Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 03:50, 27 January 2007 (CST)
 * I will edit the s&f for the heading guidelines and begin cleaning up art pages. I'll put a progress list here soonish. :) - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 10:03, 27 January 2007 (CST)
 * User:Bexor/Armor Project/Art for your viewing pleasure. :) - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 11:14, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * I have done the first checkoff! :P Please take a look and see if it is enough. I did not consider the completeness of the galleries, since that is another project. And the linkings to the functions will get sorted once the function pages is worked out I guess. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 13:24, 29 January 2007 (CST)