User talk:Tetris L/Archive2006-2

This is an archive of old stuff from Tetris L's talk page.

Alternative prof combo table format
I have seen you proposed an alternative table format for the list of profession combos at Dervish. This is maybe a good idea thinking of the growing number of combinations. But what do you think of using a navbox like the following instead? (Colours and details are, of course, open to dispute.) --MRA 05:09, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Let's continue this discussion in GuildWiki talk:Style and formatting/Professions --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 06:27, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

question
Can you help answering the questions here? - 01:51, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

GuildWiki.de
Do you know anything about GuildWiki.de? Are they simply translating our content, or are they building up seperately, from scratch? Do we have any affiliation with them beyond that they were forked from us? &mdash;Tanaric 10:18, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Tanaric see: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/GuildWiki_talk:Community_Portal#Specific_issue_with_GuildWiki.de --Draygo Korvan (Yap) 10:26, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Draygo beat me to it. The talk he linked to answers all your questions, Tanaric. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 10:30, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

User:BeGodlike
been there, done that twice, got yelled at for doing it myself. he's been banned already --Honorable Sarah 10:33, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
 * lol - i didn't yell at you :( [[Image:ST47logo.jpg|User:ST47|50px]] (talk) 10:43, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
 * I didn't yell - just posted already banned in the delete. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:49, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
 * My fault, I had minor changes hidden because of ST47's builds crusade, otherwise I would have seen it. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 10:51, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
 * yeah...sorry about dat:( [[Image:ST47logo.jpg|User:ST47|50px]] (talk) 10:52, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
 * No need to be sorry. That's what the "minor edit" tickbox is there for. I'm glad when people use it, especially when they do a crusade and spam the Recent Changes. :) It was just bad coincedence. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 11:01, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

email!
Hey Tetris, I sent you an email through the wiki yesterday. I'm not sure if you've received it or not. If so could you reply, if not could you let me know? :) Thanks  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 03:00, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Sorry, I'm having a problem with Outlook lately. I checked my inbox through html now and found your mail. I'll reply later today. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 04:18, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Ah ha! Just as I knew it, there is a secret hi-tech organised underground network for admins who's treachery know no bounds, only now am I beginning to scratch the surface to reveal the corrupt rotten core within! :P Sorry I just recently read The Da Vinci Code and watched Underworld 2 and had to satisfy my paranoia a little! ;) --Xasxas256 04:56, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Xasxas: I'm not an admin. You see, the plot involves non-admins, but only if they are aliens from planet K-PAX, just like most of the sysops. :p --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 05:02, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Oh see this is why the whole admin this is a load of bullocks (I don't know what movie I saw to inspire me to use that world). I have been here for so long and yet I still forgot that you're not one. Pretty much I regard admins the same as people who've been around and know the score (which is usually what our admins are anyway) and you're one of those people. That's it I'm joining the alliance and sending you an email! --Xasxas256 05:21, 15 August 2006 (CDT)


 * lol :) I like you xasxas!  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 07:43, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Who doesn't? We all love him. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 07:58, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * I'm not sure where this is all coming from but hey I ain't complaining! Free love for all! There's something I don't often type, in fact I'm not even sure what the emote for a heart is...it's <} isn't it? No that looks more like an ice cream. Oh well free Ice Creams for all! One for LordBiro, <} one for Gem <} and one for Tetris L <} for putting up with me! --Xasxas256 08:53, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * The emote for a heart is <3. :) You invented the ice cream! --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 09:16, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * You don't need an emote when you've got an icon :P After giving it some thought I think <) is a better ice cream than <} the second one looks kind of errr melted...but still choc full of love! --Xasxas256 09:30, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * I always thought <3 means kiss (pursed lips)?! --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 09:42, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * No, it's a heart. <3 :) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 09:47, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * I thought it meant "less than three", but then, I wouldn't know. I'm a mean and ruthless automaton, operating only on cold machine-logic. --Black Ark 10:28, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Well looky-looky. Getting too short, so I expanded this again. I just want to say to Xasxas about bullocks. Have you watched V for Vendetta lately? That could be your inspiration. And according to Xasxas, I may not actually be an admin. I've only been here 8 months. :P Maybe after 4 more months, I'll get a present. I hope it's a Mini-Gravewit, that'll go for some platinum I am sure. :D -Gares 10:36, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Wait, let me check ..... /age ..... I've been here for more than 13 months! I demand a Mini-Karlos!!!eleven!! ;) ;) ;) --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 10:49, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * WTB mini-skuld! PM PST OBO WTN. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 10:55, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Skuld is 14, he's already mini. :p Give me a mini-Gares so he can fetch me a Guinness when I've had a hard day at work. -Gares 12:42, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Gares, you should check MiniMe.com. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 13:47, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Ugggh Guinness, any time you have a beer with your meal and the beer is more filling than the food, you know something is not quite right! I think perhaps the bullocks thing came from me looking up some soccer info, the Premier League starts very soon, Toon FTW! Or maybe it's the fact the The Ashes starts in 100 days, that's going to be awesome! I actually looked up Guy Fawkes on WP recently, apparently in the past we used to celebrate Guy Fawkes Night in Australia although that was the first I'd heard about that. I know my old man used to blow stuff up a lot but I don't think that it was for any special occasion! If I had a mini me, he'd be fetching me Asahi Super Dry, you don't want a beer that fills you up, you want a beer the leaves you thirstier than when you started! But I've got another month and a half till I get a miniature, come on mini-Stabber so I can have an ever multiplying pet army! :D And so guys, that's my story! --Xasxas256 19:30, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * I don't know if I wanted a beer from a brewery the locals call the "golden turd". O.o Nothing is better than a warm guinness and no food, kills the taste. Jack on the rocks is another one of my favorites and quite easy to make.
 * My partying days are long gone. No more waking up from a night at the club, eat a bowl of cereal with beer in it because we have no milk, get more beer at the store, head to the tailgating lot for the football game, forget the game because they don't let you drink in the stadium, wait till the game is over, then head back to the club when it opens. Yes, that kind of day happened on more than one occasion. My alma mater wasn't voted top 10 party schools by Playboy for nothing. ;) -Gares 21:37, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Any more disparaging comments regarding Guinness and I'm entering kill-mode. --Black Ark 02:13, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

release date
works for me. as long as the info is there and reads well i'm happy, lol yep, just checked... u said all i said in about 15 less words... =) --Midnight08 10:50, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

Quick access links
re: Talk:Main_Page/editcopy, I know it's not where you wanted them, but for now I've created a new Quick access links and added a link to them on the navigation box to the left. Once I had tilted to campaign box on its side to allow for scalability, I really wasn't sure how to work it into the Main Page. We can still look at options for that if you feel strongly that the quick access links should be at that level; but at least they're now available and only one click away wherever the user navigates to on the site. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:46, 26 August 2006 (CDT)
 * I'll comment here. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 02:34, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

Forgotten returning to the Rifts
I'm wondering if you can coomment on Talk:Crystal Desert, since you made this edit. - 07:31, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

Heh, you've prolly gotten this already but...
Pansy 4x1 block? The Tetris L block seems to stand for loser in my experience >.< (Not a fifty five 03:08, 18 September 2006 (CDT))


 * This is when Mr Spock would raise an eyebrow. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 03:21, 18 September 2006 (CDT)


 * ^.~ &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Not a fifty five (talk &bull; contribs) 02:29, September 18, 2006 (CDT).

? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 09:29, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

Spirit burn
Did you check Talk:Spirit Burn before re-adding the capture? --Fyren 04:57, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Or maybe he added that afterwards, heh. --Fyren 05:01, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes, he added that afterwards, as you can tell by the fact that he is referring to my edit in the talk. Anyway ... I replied to explain why I reverted, and I hope it makes sense. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 05:03, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

Thank You
While others are playing the game you are working on content for Wiki. I and others who are stuck at work and really cant experiance the content ourselves appreciate that. =) If i knew a bit more i'd help with clean up but still learnin the finer points of the wiki. I'll be sure to do spelling touch ups when i see them but i do appreciate seein yer name so often on recent changes despite a test event being up. --Midnight08 09:21, 22 September 2006 (CDT)
 * There is a simple explanation: The PC I'm currently sitting at doesn't have GW installed. But in about 1/2 hour I'll be heading home to enjoy my share of gameplay. :) --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 09:25, 22 September 2006 (CDT)
 * still, its helpful=) you could be scouring guru for skill descriptions to work on new builds=P (if u do go home and get access try and get a few of those assassin skills up=P i wanna see what new toys i have lol --Midnight08 09:28, 22 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Don't post any D and P builds &mdash; Skuld 09:29, 22 September 2006 (CDT)
 * You timed it just right, I only just got it to accept my key and its downloading now :) &mdash; Skuld 09:29, 22 September 2006 (CDT)

Skreech..
Yo, why do you want to subcategorize "Skree" as species? They are harpies by virtue of the blessing and by virtue of collectable drops. We may end up cutting harpies into subspecies, but I doubt it. Skree and Blee (the next harpy sub-species) are like Dragon Lily and Dragon Moss, lower version noob-island version vs higher-level version.

The griffon issue is like the Ice Golem issue. If it's proven by EoE that they do not trigger damage on other harpies, then we'll make their species Griffon and their Category Harpy. Right now, there is no reason to believe so as they trigger the blessing and they drop the same collectable drop. Either way, we won't invent a new category just for them. --Karlos 01:14, 29 September 2006 (CDT)


 * I've started to explain in Talk:Harpy some time ago. The discussion should be continued there.
 * Frankly, I don't understand yet what "Skree" is. Is it a species or an "organization"? Is it a super-species of harpies, or a sub-species? The name of the blessing and the collectable drops implied to me that it's a SUPER-category of harpies, not a sub-category. I wasn't aware of theses Blee harpies, I didn't proceed very far during the preview. If these Blee harpies exist then Blee harpies and Skree harpies are sub-species of harpies. But at the same time Skree harpies are a sub-category of Skree, the other sub-category being Skree griffons. It's a matrix with harpies/griffons on one axis and Skree/Blee/etc on the other axis.
 * But again, let's continue in Talk:Harpy to clarify all this. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 01:50, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

Template stuff, from Pan's talk
Two problems: You need a colon in front (" { {:User:Tetris L...") and you need to end with braces ("}}") and not a table ending ("|}"). There's already a template that does what you're trying to do, I think: Template:TyrianMissionProgression. --Fyren 04:00, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
 * I figured it out the same moment you wrote me the message. It was the missing brace at the end! Actually, you don't need a collon upfront. But thanks anyway! --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 04:13, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
 * In case you missed it, don't use if-then-else or its brethren. Use ParserFunctions.  --Fyren 07:05, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

Category:Factions quest items
Shouldn't this be Category:Quest items (Factions)? &mdash; Skuld 02:10, 3 November 2006 (CST)


 * Hmmmm ... yes, I remember we did decide to put the campaign at the end at one point, but I don't think we followed the concept 100% strictly, at least not for categories, did we? It's fine for me either way. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 02:16, 3 November 2006 (CST)


 * P.S.: See for example: Category:Factions quests, Category:Factions armor, Category:Factions missions, Category:Factions NPCs, ... --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 02:20, 3 November 2006 (CST)

Hmm.
I'd like to point out Xasxas isn't American. That is all. --Fyren 04:16, 21 November 2006 (CST)


 * Damn, there goes my stereotype. ;) --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 04:59, 21 November 2006 (CST)


 * Ah, I didn't notice this until after I posted :)  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 08:06, 21 November 2006 (CST)

Sorry
Yawp.. )

Sorry for unsigned talk on skill hunter.. usually, Isign but it seems that this time.. I simply forgot.. :$

Corsaire 07:11, 26 November 2006 (CST)


 * No big deal at all. Happens to me all the time. I wish there was an auto-sign option in the preferences menu. :) --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 07:21, 26 November 2006 (CST)


 * Yes, it should be.. but this is just an "education" (can't find another word in english).. :) I'm still learning how to use correctly Wiki.. ;) .. learned not long ago the benefits of the "summary" box.. :D ;) Corsaire 07:45, 26 November 2006 (CST)

games
good to see someone else convert from UT, i was a new convert in 04 =] --Fatigue 21:16, 27 November 2006 (CST)
 * yay - still more of us! I played the original UT, and UT04 (which is where I joined my current guild, many of us migrated to GW) - but I never bought UT03. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:24, 27 November 2006 (CST)
 * UT is probably the only game that had an even larger impact on my life than GW. Back then I didn't have wife and family yet, so I could spend all my spare time gaming. I was a total junkie, and I had a blast with my clan and the various leagues, websites and forums that I was involved in. I'm still not sure if I'll get UT2007 when it comes out next year. I'm afraight I'm getting too old for FPS games, my fingers too slow, my aim sucks. I don't like gettin' my ass kicked by 12 year old kids with lightning reflexes. I think a medium-paced, more strategic game like GW is more my cup of tea now. :) --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 02:21, 28 November 2006 (CST)

L
Is it just coincidence that you're sitting in an "L" shape!? :P I take it that it's more than just a name, it's a way of life!!! ;) --Xasxas256 03:25, 28 November 2006 (CST)

Just so you know
Shade Murtagh was warned for his behavior on Talk:Heart of Abaddon. Though he dismissed it, his behavior has not gone unnoticed. &mdash; Gares 12:23, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * He has been noticed by several people. I spotted his behavior over a week ago, and still re-check it periodically.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 12:33, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * I wasn't sure how to reply, or if at all. He's obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed, but other than that mostly harmless, so I'll let it slide. Time will show if he turns into a real troll. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 14:39, 7 December 2006 (CST)

Check that out!
It seems that "Barek" has decided to delete my entire article. So how many people are there in the little exclusive club that are actually allowed to contribute? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bale Thorn (contribs) 17:24, 14 December 2006.
 * All are welcome to contribute, there is no "exclusive club". If you wish, I can restore your essay into your user space; however, for article content, we try to maintain a neutral perspective and ask that all contributors abide by the style and formatting guidelines as well as the site policies.
 * As had been stated by others, the useable parts of the essay were mostly redundant to Effective monk guide, and should be maintained in that article. Also, keep in mind that below every edit window is the phrase "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it."  I can't count the number of my past edits that have been modified, re-worded, re-written from scratch, or eliminated.  It happens to all of us.  In the end, it's that community effort that has brought the site to its level of content it has today, and which will continue to help the site grow going forward. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:50, 14 December 2006 (CST)
 * What Barek said. He could have moved the article to your user name space (which I would have preferred), but the result would have been essentially the same: With no other articles linking to it, without maintainance and improvements, it would have been forgotten. Might as well delete it then, instead of going through the hassle of filtering out the valuable parts and merging them into the effective monk guide, which you weren't going to do yourself. After all, you said very clearly that you're leaving and that we should do with the article what we want.
 * Dude, reading your essay you seem like quite a reasonable and smart person, but I have to say you brought it upon yourself. You walk into this wiki, obviously with very little clue how it works, both technically and policy/etiquette-wise. I'm sure you had good intentions, but what you did simply didn't fit with the way this community works together. You're more than welcome to contribute, but maybe you should accomodate first. Read articles (and even more important: discussion pages!), make some smaller edits and improvements, and then, when you've got a clearer picture, start writing your own articles and guides. I'm sure we'll get along. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 02:43, 15 December 2006 (CST)

I see nothing in your effective monk guide about the benefits of having one monk run healing while another runs protection. I see nothing in your monk guide about using Regen with a small amount of smiting prayers to control aggro. I see nothing in your monk guide about group composition from the perspective of a monk. Nowhere in the monk or warrior guide does it mention anything about lines of battle or healing range. Most importantly, I see nothing in either the effective monk guide or effective warrior guide about blocking. How to give and take a block properly may be the most important thing any high armor / low armor class should know. On this subject I see three or four sentences concerning pvp, and a set of pictures that are almost useless.

The effective monk guide, and especially the effective warrior guide, need complete re-writes. Consider that people looking to learn more about how to play the game will most likely come here. Now think about all those crappy groups you've had. Something can be done to change it.

Most of the guides here are less guides and more guidelines. They explain the attributes, just as the mouse over does in game. They link to builds. If your looking for a build your probably in the builds section. The area's that do attempt to take on a less technical and more informational tune are under-written and poorly explained. Merging my article would have made no sense. The two things did not go together. You want redundant? Consider that almost all of the information in the “Effective” guides are provided to the player in game via tutorials and tool tips. Consider the following snippet from the effective monk guide.

"A monk has 2 roles in combat: Staying alive and keeping the team alive. Since the second requires the first, staying alive should be the highest priority." If this needs to be explained to someone, than that person is in grave mortal danger of being too stupid to know when to breath.

To say that my guide / article was largely redundant with the effective monk guide shows a lack of understanding of either.

I'm not one for politics. I don't tend to beat around the bush. This seems like a political arena. That's all I meant. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bale Thorn (contribs).


 * If you know what you are writing about, please go and improve the effective monk guide. It's not useful to have many similiar articles, so please contribute to the existing one. With your help it will probably get better than it was. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 04:46, 16 December 2006 (CST)


 * Yes, there are definetly aspects in your guide that are not covered by the current effective monk guide. Especially the "Team Tactics" section is clearly marked: "This section of the article is a stub. You can help by adding to it." This is where much of your guide would fit in nicely. Nobody claims that the current guide is perfect. No article is ever "finished", let alone "perfect" on a wiki. There is always something that can be improved, added, re-worded, ... That's how a wiki works. It evolves, constantly.
 * I seriously doubt though that any of our profession guides needs, as you put it, "complete re-writes". The current monk guide is far from perfect, but it's not bad either. It is the result of more than 100 edits by more than 20 people, with many of them experienced monk players. If you seriously think that your guide is sooo much better, then you overestimate your own insight.
 * Whatever. Regardless of the content, the point is: Both your new guide and the old guide serve the same purpose: A general guide how to be a good monk. And by policy on GuildWiki we try to avoid having two articles on the same subject. It always means redundancy, more or less, and double maintainance work. So the two articles should be merged into one. And since the old one was well established, it is clear that it will be the basis of the merged version.
 * One last thing: You don't tend to beat around the bush? In that case I'll stop beating around the bush too. I tried to say it polite, now I'll say it more clearly: GuildWiki has proven to be very effective, and to yield good (but never perfect!) results. This is the result of community cooperation, with certain etiquette and policies, some written, some unwritten. Either you accept and adapt to these, or I see little future for you here. A wiki isn't the place for a prima-ballerina attitude. If you're willing to work in a team, you're very welcome. If not, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. If you want your name in bold letters above the guide, try gamefaqs.com, or a similar site. I'm sure you'll find a place to host "your" guide. The decision is up to you. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 07:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Realtime.
I'm online. want to gather a party? Foo 14:05, 18 December 2006 (CST)
 * Does GuildWiki count as "instant messaging" now? ;) It's Monday night, that means "quality time" for my wife and me, that means no gaming. (For some reason I do not understand she doesn't consider GW "quality time". ;)) Maybe we can team up tomorrow to repeat that UW trip to tame a spider for me. Or do something else in Elona. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 15:04, 18 December 2006 (CST)

User:Tetris L/Main Page
Your page is showing up in Category: Protected pages due to inclusion of the main page. Any way to get round that? >.< &mdash; Skuld 19:05, 20 December 2006 (CST)
 * Ha ha I just noticed that myself. While I'm here, I don't like the show/hide boxes. I know they're used extensively over at Wikipedia but I find that 90% of the time they are unhelpful and create browser dependand rendering problems. --Xasxas256 19:08, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Hi
If you could take a peek at User:Bexor/Collectors and leave any feedback on the discussion page there, I would appreciate it. :) - BeXoR   07:06, 22 December 2006 (CST)
 * Also I see you're adding/editing categories. I had most of them listed in Category:Wintersday 2006 Collectors if you want to edit them. I was copying the 2005 name and used a capital letter. I'd do it but its time for bed here. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 07:19, 22 December 2006 (CST)
 * I'll comment on your collectors page later, probably after x-mas. As for the Wintersday collectors, I can understand that you simply coppied the 2005 scheme, but the category name isn't in line with GW:ULC. I don't want to go back to correct all the past cases, but for this year and future events we should use lowercase. I'll make the necessary corrections, you may go to bed, don't worry. :) --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 07:29, 22 December 2006 (CST)
 * I fixed the old cats. :) - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 01:33, 26 December 2006 (CST)

GuildWars Visions
Hey Tetris, as a native German speaker, could you look at Talk:GuildWars Visions and give your $0.02? I don't know that anyone who has commented there speaks German, and I figure you could give a better opinion on the program. :) Thanks.  --Rainith 21:16, 27 December 2006 (CST)