Talk:Game updates/Archive14

Beast Mastery bug?
Strangely, I've been doing AB today with a Beast Mastery Ranger; for some strange reason, at 13 B.M., when my pet dies, none of my skills are disabled. I know it's nothing to do with the "15 second rule", because I'm getting no disable even on the first death... was this "downside" removed with one of the recent updates? And more importantly, was it intentional? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  07:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's never been any disable in AB because there's no punishment for death, for humans or animals. --Macros 09:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Lag
GW has been very laggy this week, i can't do anything on it, anyone else been getting this problem? Bored 22:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been having some issues. Nothing to make it unplayable, but yes, I've noticed it too. Cronus91 23:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Haven't seen any recently, to be honest.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 00:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment?
Hi! Ive been using this wiki for a long time, but I still do not know how to add a question in discussion. Yes, I know this is insanely noobish, but can anyone tell me how to properly add a comment or question? Ive just been editing the discussion page, and not doing it with the right indents or signature. Help?
 * Hiya. Welcome to the wiki. Here are a few pages that might be helpful to you. :) Request_assistance and Editing_guide. To add your signature, type four tildes, like so: ~ or clicking the signature button. Also, indents are added using colons, :. If you have any other questions, gimme a buzz on my talk page (Click the talk link in my signature and then click edit right up the top. =) You might also want to make your own username by registering and starting up a page in the "User:" wikispace (Check others as an example.) Good luck. [[Image:Bigrat2sAvatar.jpg]] Bigrat2   Talk  23:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok! Thank-you for your informative and timely response! Now I can see what pages I changed and moniter them with ease. Thanks!--**hobo1134** 00:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Tourny points (Feb)
Has anyone got their tournament prediction points for the February tournament yet? Its 2ed March right now and the tourny has started so shouldn't we be able to collect them? Or am I missing something here?
 * . they know there is a problem and will probably fix it soon.. -{[ PUL ]}- 15:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Interesting Little Thing
Me and a few of my Guildmates noticed a new feature today. I don't know if it was part of this update or some other thing. Or possibly from an update 50 years ago, but here it is: When someone is using a skill and you CTRL Click it, it says (for example) "Master of Whispers is using Death Nova" but if you CTRL Click after the skill is used it says (for example) "Master of Whispers has used Death Nova". Just thought it was interesting. --68.46.219.84 07:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone mentioned that it might have occurred when the blank calling glitch was fixed. --[[Image:Scottie_bow.jpg|19px]]  Scottie_theNerd  (argue)  08:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was probably with the last update if not a little earlier. I noticed it just yesterday in game, and I'm quite sure it wasn't up a few days before that. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  08:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * YESSSS! I've been waiting for this for a LONG time! Great job ANet! -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 13:45, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey look, it's Gem! --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  13:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah, this wasn't what I understood it was. I thought that you could ctrl-click skills on your bar that are recharging, but it just meant that skills that have been used get this when you have someone selected and ctrl-click on the skill that they've used in the skill monitor. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 00:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that would be something to hope for... "Meteor Shower is recharging!", etc. Is it already added to Gaile's Suggestions page? Would be a nice one to add if it's not already there. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  01:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would prefer wording like "My skillname is not fully charged yet" or so. But this is really a good idea because there's often people who treat you of noob for not doing (another) shower or anything as if it's our fault it's taking some time to be usable again. TulipVorlax 01:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's just a slightly different message when you complete the casting, witch doesn't change much, or at least I can't find any big uses for it... "my skill is recharging!" is still needed, and was since the start of Guild Wars :/ &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 03:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Along with that, we could do with a "I am enchanted with Healing Breeze for 3 more seconds" or perhaps even just "I am enchanted with (3)" for a shorter message -Gamer Jay 12:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "I am being attacked by (5) Bladed Attaxes!" comes next. :D
 * But yeh... being able to ping a recharging skill, or ping an effect that's about to end... both would be quite nice. Pinging recharging skills is probably an easier and more useful one to hope for first. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  12:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "My Holy Veil is recharging for 10 more seconds." Yes, I want that for my Monk. J Striker 12:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Better yet, "Word of Healing is recharging for 47 more seconds." That's right people, kill the shutdown Mesmer instead of complaining about my lackluster healing. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  12:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "My Resurrection Signet doesn't want to recharge!" &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 13:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "My Signet of Capture is gone!" -Gamer Jay 14:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Where would you click to make that one pop up? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  14:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's basically the joke :D -Gamer Jay 15:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I figured, but I still want to figure it out. >.< --<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  15:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * iono, during the skill replacing animation? -Gamer Jay 15:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, that would be "I'm learning a new skill!" :P --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  05:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, it would be fun to be able Ctrl-click just about anything. I wonder if kind this mechanic will pass on to GW2... hopefully. J Striker 05:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Ctrl Click the ground: "I'm moving to 52°13′N, 21°02′E!" &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 05:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Though there won't be mousewalking in GW2. ;) J Striker 05:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <font color="#900020">Bored  21:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

06.03.2008
These notes can't be real, or else I'm gonna de-install this game now. Sucks that I bought GW:EN today.-- Taki Fujiko  20:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * huh? I don't see anything particularly bad... --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's nerfday again. Guess Izzy is in a bad mood. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Every skill mentioned there got nerfed. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr.) 20:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay, Izzy finally got rid of that nasty recharge on Rodgort's invoke. PvE bless ya. <font color="Purple">Yikey <font color="Green">∞  20:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Poor WY! --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't see anything particularly bad!? Wtf?? They TOTALLY, UTTERLY ruined any worthwile assassin skills. This is unbearable, I'm gonna de-install GW now. It's like a HUGE slap into my face, after I thought about buying GW:EN for a long time if it's worth it for me just for some extra skills. Then I finally decide to do it today, and now just 10 minutes ago the whole game, or better said my whole class was destroyed in the blink of an eye (and no I don't use shadow prison) --[[Image:Takisig.jpg]] Taki Fujiko  20:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Taki, you're overreacting. Don't stop believin'! Also, <3 Wail of Doom now. <font color="Purple">Yikey <font color="Green">∞  20:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All that I notice that is uber bad is WY, Shroud of Silence, Augury (deserved, tbh), and Siphon Speed. And I guess flame djinn's. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Flame Djinn's I can understand. Now 99.0043% of all the HM Raptor farmers will get demotivated and stop farming Ele Swords. Yay, economy! <font color="Purple">Yikey <font color="Green">∞  20:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can anyone explain to me what happened to WY!? I'll have to remove it from my Warrior Heroes skill bar, because I don't care about +18 armor, if it's just for 2 attacks -_- Also (something a lot are missing) New weapon skins!! Where are they?? :D &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 20:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * WTF!!!!!![[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 20:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why did they murder Siphon Speed? --Gimmethegepgun 21:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * One of the best skills in the game and they destroyed it. Worthless now. *sniff* -- Aubee91 01:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

'''HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT THEY DID TO DEATH PACT SIGNET! THEY KILLED IT WORSE THAN "Incoming!" &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥''' 21:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Screw that, what matters more is that WY is now completely and utterly useless --Gimmethegepgun 21:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BUT OH MY GOD THEY BUFFED SPRINT! Wait, what? -- GamerJ ( Talk  ! ) 21:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

i think they broke something, 1 hour after this update another 1 comes along O.o <font color="#900020">Bored  21:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Broke something? Did you read the update notes? they broke everything.. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.39.38.76 (contribs).

Well Brawl's coming out sunday, so at least we have something to do until GW2 comes out. I still wish they hadn't broken this GW tho --66.245.94.198 21:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm waiting for that game for way more than 1 year now, still not even a release date planned for germany *cries* --[[Image:Takisig.jpg]] Taki Fujiko  21:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well..its not totaly broken..The supposedly underpowered paragons are about on par with sins and warriors...And the godlike dervishes are now just about equal with necros now YAY FOR NERFS/BAD BUFFS!
 * Am I the only one to think that ANet has eventually found a utility for Sprint? It was way too underpowered compared to Enraging Charge. Now it proudly replaces it on my chestrunning skillbar ( not that it has become God but it cooler than before, the only thing that lacks coolness is this skill's animation; Enraging's better.) Topinambour 21:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In this skill update Anet have radically changed the entire function of skills more than any other previous update. Fact! Seb2net 21:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Next time they will reduce the amount of hits Prot Spirit can take before ending A la Spirit Bond. *sarcasm again* Seb2net 22:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Fool! dont give them ideas. holy hell they raped most of GW, they're trying to get proffessions useful again, did you see lion's comfort? you can practically spam that now, and it recently had a buff with the healing of it. aside from that, most everything was destroyed. if they were to nerf anything, I'd suggest those stupid ursan blessing jerks, that's overpowered, and deserves a nerf. not that I condone nerfing. --67.167.51.246 22:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The nerfstick of Doom is lurking around it's prey, feeding on comments filled with despair. Hard luck, Anet suck (omg,rhyme :p)
 * Aww man, they fixed the simple thievery bug. And zomg, I love the new Wail of Doom and Psychic Instability <3 [[Image:SnagretpuddingSig.png|19px]] Snagretpudding 01:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

New small update 15 minutes ago, presumably to fix teh bug. 84.128.231.126 01:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

NOOOO!! Fire eles are dead....Sins are dead...Watch Yourself....omfffg....Im usually a positive player...but...like...This is the first update I've hated!!!!!!!! HATED!!!!-24.16.45.133 02:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Fire eles are dead? LOL. Learn how to play fire eles kthx. DKS01 02:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Why on earth is Deathly Swarm nerfed? Who the hell abused that? That's a staple skill for any and all necros for a while...what caused that, of all things? 137.142.181.179 03:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nerfed? They cut that god-awful cast time by a second, I think that makes up for the recharge. It's going off every eight seconds instead of six now, if you're spamming it, which is a nerf, but being able to actually get it off without five people interrupting you is kinda nice. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ehhh, 2 seconds means you won't be interrupted? In PvP, any halfway decent player still won't have any trouble interrupting a 2 sec cast time spell, so it doens't help there, and in PvM monsters can pull off interrupts of 3/4 second cast spells without a ton of effort, so 2 seconds certainly isn't gonna be a challenge for them there, either. If you were having trouble getting it off without being interrupted before, I really don't see this making it all that much better. I know I haven't had any problems interrupting monsters with Swarm post-update... DKS01 04:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Bye-bye GW... there's been 2+ yrs now and Anet never ceased making too often and too many changes to the skills - be them nerfs or even buffs (esp. monster skills) they always break some builds, render useless some of the gear you bought specifically for a build and I got tired of always having to re-change builds/gear/playstyle and not being able to just join the fun as soon as I login because some1 in Anet just broke things again... seems like the only ones who are always having fun are those making the updates.
 * I think they changed Deathly Swarm because it's annoying for those Minion Masters to cast it from almost 3 whole seconds and then have it interrupted. Now MMs 1) Won't get so frustrated after casting it for only 1½ seconds before interrupt, and 2) can't spam this spell so often, thus less fatal interrupts. =P J Striker 10:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Except for a few changes (aftercast removal and some skills) - death and doom to all classes... --EraDKtor 12:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I made a userbox for those who disagree with this update ¬_¬ --<B><font color="Blue">Cobalt  </B>| <font color="Green"><B>Talk</B>  19:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, so close. Should be 'has been smoking" as anet is technically one entity. I agree with the sentiment, though :P 137.142.181.179 05:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, clearly i fail grammar...but you get the idea :P --<B><font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green"><B>Talk</B>  09:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

DaWs
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4279/gw589ou0.jpg http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8882/attachmentke8.jpg Apparently they drop out of the Zchest (at least the first does.) Not going to start the articles yet, just thought I'd post then. ---Jamster--- 21:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Heres a better picture (From official wiki) http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image:Demonic_Aegis_DaW07.jpg
 * That's concept art though, at least mine was an in game shot :P Not that the official wiki have the pic I have of it (H) [[Image:Jamster Sig.jpg|19px]] ---Jamster--- 21:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "From the official wiki" lol I just uploaded it from the contest's page in GW.com[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 21:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't know if it's important but do they change district sizes in updates Palin Oni 01:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)Palin Oni

Updated Districts are separate
I just noticed that when you download an update and rejoin your district, you get a new instance of the district (i.e. I'd assume that there is a spearate instance of each district for each version of the game). These districts don't even share party search announcements. However, the community server is not affected, i.e. whispers still work between different versions, and the guild roster also shows everyone regardless of update status. What would be the best place in the wiki to post this information? (mendel 84.128.231.126 01:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC))
 * Yeah, it's been like that for as far back as I can remember, I'd say at least a year. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  01:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Always been like that. And it's perfectly normal too. TulipVorlax 11:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Good bye GW, Hello Smash Bros. Brawl...
Nerfing sins AGAIN? (They are already low-tier, as it is...) Nerfing most of the still-existing good spikes? Not nerfing pressure, buffing self-heals? What the fuck. The last half a year of updates has been this way. If they are trying to make everyone ragequit GW, they are doing an excellent job. I have been very patient, I have tried to sustain my interest in this game, but this is just too much, this is the straw on the camel's back. I do not think I will consider buying GW2 anymore...Slic 10:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Play Mesmers from day 1 and see what they do to that class, THEN complain about sins. Losing a few spikes (there are many more out there, trust me), and having some elites hampered is nothing.  Seriously, what is it with sin players thinking they have the raw deal?  Paras have had much more nerfing done to them.  Mesmers have seen the entire inspiration line re-worked, not because mesmers were using it, but because OTHER classes were using it.  And Slic, I've seen people take a sin over a mesmer, just because "Mesmers are a waste of a character slot".69.119.121.133 15:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not just referring to the sin bashing. I am referring to skill changes in general.  Take a look at the last half a year's worth of skill changes.  The pattern is: hey, we HATE SPIKERS and gameplay that rewards good hand-eye coordination over teamwork, so LET'S NERF ALL THE SPIKES LOL.  And while we're at it, buff pressure and buff self-heals!--Slic 17:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As to mesmers being under-powered.. What are you smoking? Nearly every decent/balanced build has at least one mesmer in it. How often can you say that about a sin? A good(or even half decent) mesmer can completely shutdown a target. Typically 2 dps/spike based builds can't kill a good monk, a mesmer and 1 DPS/Spike can. Therefore mesmers are far from lacking. A mesmer can shutdown 1 or 2 melee/ranged classes just as easily. Sin spikes haven't been lethal for nearly a year now.  Once you live over the spike(which you will sin spikes are slow, and rarely do over 250-350+DW), a sin is less useful than a sword W/Mo with no IAS.  The only exception being A/D with a scythe of course, and that really isn't an issue with the sin class, that's more of a derv issue.76.8.174.164 04:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Times like this...I really wish I hadn't put in 200 some dollars for a game who's play testers, skill balancers and patchers haven't grasped the concept of making small changes to skills then testing them and seeing how they play out but instead..beat things senseless and wonder if it'ld still work hell I've been making balancing mods for years..sure a big change is nice to start out with then make small gradual changes to balance them out but..so far for nearly 3 years all I've seen are hey let's make a huge skill change then change it back and make it worse then it was 2 weeks later..seriously is everyone that works for anet/guild wars high when they get to work or something? or are they just trying to make people quit on purpose so they dont have to pay for the GW servers anymore? Hopeless Situations
 * I've worked with Hopeless on DoW mods before, trust me changing a damage range from 35-15 to 40-15 is a good 2-4 hours of testing, lol.76.8.174.164 04:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Slic, you just said it yourself. They nerf those skills to reduce excessive spikers and farmers in PvE/PvP so that complaints and economy stays somewhat balanced. <font color="Purple">Yikey <font color="Green">∞  17:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you ever considered that people who have played this game a while and like spiking/farming (like me) do not complain about anything at first because they are HAPPY with the way things are? And then the small (but very vociferious) minority who cry about spikes being OP get their way.  To sum it up, if it isn't broke, don't fix it..?  WHINERS > PLAYERBASE?  Well now that they "fixed" (i.e. BROKEN, killed all the fun, etc.) everything, it's a good time for me to stop playing, and to stop following GW2...  If those who are now in charge of balancing skills played GW as much those who were in charge before, this would not happen... --Slic 00:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * For anyone from A-Net readin these to see player reactions, I just want to let you know not everyone is complaining about this update, or past ones for that matter. While updates that any change things will obviusly disrupt some people's builds or preferences, but i think the majority of people realize that you are trying your best to help it in general. It is imossible to make everyone happy when people have different preferences. And for how much you have to balance the game PvE AND PvP, as well as keeping it challenging and fun, I think you guys are doin a great job so far. And for being consistantly involved in the game, providing events, ect, thats realy great. Alot of games tend to lose thier involvment with the players over time. Glad to see that hasnt happened to you! And for a online MMO that isn't even subscription based, thats just one more plus. Over all, you're still doin a great job and I look forward to the next installment you have to give us! I hope you guys can get some more positive feedback every now and then, and not slams all the time. GJ A-Net! 66.78.69.82 23:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've become much more of a casual player lately and I am really, really getting tired of these updates. I si ti too much to ask that I can just hop and play a bit everyone now and then without having to worry about re-learning the game due to all of the skill changes?! I'm sorry, but even if they are acceptable changes the way Anet handles them is just wearing thin (e.g. when they broke Mhenlo due to a skill change). Argel 02:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What really bothers me, is when they change things like, lets say Heal Party for example. One patch they boost it, the very next patch they nerf it past where it was before. Also for those that remember it, the "For Great Justice" balances. It started out as 10 energy 20 duration 45 recharge double adren. It then got nerfed to only +50% adren. Then, they suddenly boost it to 5 energy and double adren again.  What gives? 76.8.174.164 04:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

New skins
Added a set of player-designed weapons and items that were winners in the 2007Guild Wars Design-A-Weapon Contest. Everyone, look for new once :) &mdash; <font color="#00ff84">eX <font color="#00a2ff">tinctioN (<font color="#ff8a00">Talk /<font color="#ff5400">Contributions ) 16:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * '* Confirmed new weapon skins include Celestial Compass, Draconic Shield and Demonic Aegis, as well as Serpentine Reaver, Emerald Blade, and Obsidian Edge.' Bit late :p [[Image:Jamster Sig.jpg|19px]] ---Jamster--- 16:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * :( No frog wand and no wonderful bow like the one on the competition page. I hope they just haven't been found... Winterbay 17:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I want new spears >.> Tain 18:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Another set of DAW weapons will be added in the future. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 18:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again, sins and dervs get ignored with new weapons... Anet really, really hates any melee that isn't a warrior, don't they --Kalas Silvern 21:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There are new scythes you know, they're just not added in to the game (as far as we know anyway) same goes for spears, I agree with the daggers, but hey, not ANets fault nobody sent in awesome dagger concepts (although I do agree it's not very fun for the sins) -- GamerJ ( Talk  ! ) 22:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Dervs are going to get this and possibly this. If you say that those don't look cool, I'm going to slap you... As far as Sins go... yeah, I want some LONG daggers ala Shiro's Blades, but nothing doing :( Only one dagger I fount in last years DAW (click) and it looks decent, but nothing extraordinary for the dagger line, and it especially doesn't look long.:( &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 23:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

How to tell if a nerf was warranted
If lots of people are screaming about a nerf, it was probably not merely justified, but necessary. If no one particularly cares that a skill got nerfed, then the nerf probably shouldn't have happened. People tend to pick the more powerful skills as the ones that they use. Furthermore, people get upset if the skills they use get nerfed, but not if skills they don't use get nerfed. The outcry when a skill is nerfed is proportional to the frequency with which it is used, which is in turn proportional to its relative strength. Quizzical 05:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. 222.153.229.8 06:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever you say dude, I'll just use some knockdown instead of Shadow Shroud now.... *sigh* --[[Image:Takisig.jpg]] Taki Fujiko  10:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Your reasoning quizzical is quite true but also implies one thing hidden deep inside. It will create a vicious circle : if a skill get nerfed, less people will use it, the metagame will change and players will find other skills to replace the one get nerfed. Hence, other skills will need to be nerfed etc.... Topinambour 10:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The key is nerf, nerf and nerf again skills until all skills are balanced :) -- 62.57.179.210 11:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This update was mainly nerfing, but note, that GW still had more buffs then nerfs. Of course there's feedback after nerfs, because skills get nerfed because they are overused. Buffs don't get that much of a feedback, because those are generally either "we deserve it" voices, or just a small group of people talking about it, because the rest doesn't use that skill and ignores it... ...oh, and I still don't understand what happened to WY! -_- &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 11:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)