User talk:Defiant Elements/Archive 1

Discussion
Need some help with those userboxes? :P &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 22:40, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * Well, I'm learning... but yes, I would. I didn't really stop to actually learn the formatting before trying to put it together.  Maybe I should go do that at some point... Defiant Elements 22:41, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * Actually, I was trying to double or maybe triple them up to conserve space... think you can help me with that? Defiant Elements 22:46, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * Darn edit conflict. And yeah, sure thing :P &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:47, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * Thanks Defiant Elements 22:48, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * Like that? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:55, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * Hurrah. Success! Thanks.  Defiant Elements 22:55, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * Glad I could help. =) And finally, a userpage! I was wondering when you were going to make one. :P &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:56, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * Hmmm... 34 user-boxes on one page... maybe I went a little overboard... Defiant Elements 02:39, 28 December 2006 (CST)

I don't know if it is possible, but the userbox about aspiring to being a wiki admin was completely true *hint hint* :P Defiant Elements 00:52, 27 December 2006 (CST)
 * I wouldn't get your hopes up, seeing as how you lost your show preview button. :P That's kind of a prerequiste to even be nominated and it actually makes admin's and user's work watching for vandals harder due to the lack of using it. &mdash; Gares 01:07, 27 December 2006 (CST)
 * Curses, foiled again. Defiant Elements 01:08, 27 December 2006 (CST)
 * Well, I can always hope that I get nominated, and if it meant a better shot at nomination maybe I could be induced to find it... Defiant Elements 01:10, 27 December 2006 (CST)
 * It was hard work, but I found it! Defiant Elements 01:49, 27 December 2006 (CST)
 * Two Hopes IMO -- Bob and No. Eg: Why do you keep changing the tag at Build:D/E Dervish of the Earth from untested to unfavored? This build has had barely 24hrs for people to view - let alone test IG as opposed to on paper - and yet you have decided that you are the voice of the guild wiki community and consensus has been reached... Hardly the actions of a responsible Admin. Fox Bloodraven 03:51, 2 January 2007 (CST)
 * What are you talking about? It had more than three unfavored comments and no favored comments which means it goes to unfavored.  And I only moved it once.... Defiant Elements 13:48, 2 January 2007 (CST)

Show Preview is your friend.
 * If I didn't use that you would be amazed how many more entries in the history log there would be :X Defiant Elements 23:45, 26 December 2006 (CST)

Oh no! Help, I can't find the "Minor Edit" Checkbox!! 58.24.194.160 00:41, 10 January 2007 (CST)

Mo/D Vermin Farmer
I've adjusted the build for much greater speed. Runs without mistakes take me about 9 minutes now. Could you please revote?--Gobla 07:10, 16 January 2007 (CST)

Builds
I've noticed your name tag, votes, and comments on a lot of the Ranger builds (as that is the area I'm responsible for trying to help with and why I noticed it there) and wanted to say thanks for the help. Getting decent votes on those builds helps out a lot in getting them through vetting or unfavored and another step closer to getting cleaned up/out. So once again, thanks.--  Vallen Frostweaver  13:26, 27 December 2006 (CST)
 * No problem. I think that there is little debate that changes have to be made in the vetting/build making process.  Personally, I think that part of the solution has to be more knowledgeable people dedicated to improving/testing builds.  I am just trying to do what I can to help.  Defiant Elements 14:09, 27 December 2006 (CST)

I loved your Me/Any Power Block Farmer, and I am sort of disappointed that you had to make it into 2-man (the entire concept of solo-mesmer was awesome). Although I can look up the original build on one of the chars on your page, I have forgotten the usage, varients, etc. of the build. (I only visited the site once... the second time I visited it, it was deleted.) May I contact you in-game for the information, or do you still have the page buried somewhere? (I'm new to GuildWiki, so I don't know about all the mechanics you have here.) Thanks in advance. 58.24.194.160 05:24, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Yeah, I am going to reformat the build as a two-man Sorrow's Furnace farming build, but I will include a full description of the solo variant in that. Defiant Elements 14:19, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Here you go, Build:Me/Mo Power Block Farmer. That includes the support build for use in SF as well as the solo build.  Defiant Elements 16:15, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Thanks! You ROCK. If that wasn't obvious. 58.24.194.160 19:10, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Considering I suffer from Delusions of Grandeur and think that I am better than every other user, I think it is pretty obvious that I do rock. But, I always appreciate it when someone makes my already huge ego even bigger :).  Defiant Elements 19:38, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * I wrote the build down on paper :D Do you think R/Me would also work? (cuz I have Power Block on my Ranger and I have no intention of getting a Mesmer to hunt down more bosses in Perdition Rock...) The added armour could lessen restrictions on stances, and I could bring more damage and e-denial skills... ?? 58.24.194.160 19:42, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. You just wouldn't have enough energy to spam Wastrel's Worry + Mind Wrack and use all of the hexes.  You can try it, but I have serious doubts.
 * Would 47 be enough? 20e + Druids armour 12e + staff wtih 15 e... gets you 47... add a couple of attunement runes... 51 or 53 energy... would that be enough? Isn't that more than what mesmers usually have? :D but we would need it cuz Wastrel's and Mind Wrack wouldn't be as effective and would need more spamming... is there a problem other than energy? o btw I appreciate all the trouble you went through for that Me/Mo build. It's what makes you awesome. 58.24.194.160 20:06, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Well, it looks like that would solve the energy problem, however, there is one other issue. Without runes/headgear to add to Domination Magic, you will deal less damage and Power Block will not prevent spell casting for nearly as.  If you can pull it off, then fine, but you would have to get lucky speed-wise and it might restrict the number of bosses you could farm (i.e. only bosses with small energy pools perhaps).  But, try it out, experimentation is all part of the game, I don't have a ranger on my account, but if you do and that is all you have then go for it.  Defiant Elements 22:05, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Yeah, I was thinking that too. I'll probably get a HCT/HRS/HRS Dom 20% staff with insightful mod and see if that helps. Might need to recast Power Block. At any rate, thanx for your help. You rock. :D 58.24.194.160 00:04, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Hmmm, just as I was about to contribute a P/Mo Angelic Bond parry build (and I felt so special because I was going to throw in SoA, too), you beat me to it. Gj though, I'd totally vote yes on that one if it weren't already vetted. Zaboomafoo 16:33, 6 January 2007 (CST)

How did you test the R/Me Speed Trap Solo? I thought you didn't have a ranger... 58.24.194.160 21:07, 7 January 2007 (CST)
 * I don't but I sometimes play on one of my friend's accounts when I need to test out a build or I want to play a build but I don't have a character with the right equipment or elites. Defiant Elements 22:03, 7 January 2007 (CST)
 * Ahh... is that not against the EULA? 58.24.194.160 04:52, 8 January 2007 (CST)
 * Hmmm... I don't actually know, it's not like I log on as him... I don't even know his password, he lives down the street from me so sometimes when I am over at his house we test out builds... not sure if that is against the rules... Defiant Elements 15:13, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Do you do requests?
Noticed you commented/voted on a build of mine (rit preservation channeler), which you unfavoured (fair enough, but it is an RA build); was curious as to your opinion of the I posted. If you don't do requests, that's cool too :) --Epinephrine 17:33, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * Hmmm... requests... sure why not. I will try this out some time tonight.  At first glance it looks pretty good though.  Defiant Elements 17:35, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * I tried this out for a little while and voted favored. Defiant Elements 19:29, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * Thanks, I was getting a little disturbed by the no-votes by people who obviously hadn't tried it - suggesting it should be an A/Rt for example :)--Epinephrine 07:31, 29 December 2006 (CST)
 * Yeah, I didn't get that either to be honest. I thought it was a nice little build which preformed pretty well and was very different from existing flagrunner builds.  Defiant Elements 16:09, 29 December 2006 (CST)

Userboxes
Your too obvservant for your on good :) Yes I did copy your user boxes. I was in a hurry and I'm just too lazy to figure out how to do layout and wateva of them for myself. Ty for havign cool userboxes :P --Hyrim 03:24, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * As one of my many user-boxes says, This user knows all and sees all." ;) Anyways, while I did format them, I almost certainly didn't actually think them up. Defiant Elements 03:35, 28 December 2006 (CST)

HEH ... take a look Here =) My new desktop at work... Though it might not last long i couldnt help it after seeing the mass of userboxes=P--Midnight08 16:43, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * Nice! Defiant Elements 17:22, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * I can't even read the blue ones, use white text? &mdash; Skuld 16:10, 29 December 2006 (CST)
 * Yeah, that is a little hard to see... why did you change them to blue anyway? Defiant Elements 16:11, 29 December 2006 (CST)
 * Why did who change what to blue... all I did was take a screenshot and crop the part that was your userboxes=) theyre blue on yer page--Midnight08 21:54, 30 December 2006 (CST)
 * No they aren't, they aren't now and I don't recall them ever being... I guess you could have taken them when I was editing or something and trying to find good color matches... Defiant Elements 23:07, 30 December 2006 (CST)
 * these 3 (

This user primarily plays as a Monk. This user thinks that bonders are the ultimate monks. This user thinks that paragon bonding is teh h4x. ) are black text on blue. On both my comp at home (IE 7 XP), and my comp at work (IE 6 XP). --Midnight08 00:04, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * Really? They show up as Black on White to me.  Defiant Elements 00:06, 31 December 2006 (CST)

Looks good in firefox, not IE tho --Midnight08 00:18, 31 December 2006 (CST)

Makes sense. As another of my user-boxes says, Firefox pwns IE. Defiant Elements 00:19, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * hahaha nice, i agree but still use ie due to stubbornness and conveniance --Midnight08 00:30, 31 December 2006 (CST)

o_O Entropy 01:02, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * Nice. Well, I did say I thought I might have too many, and I do have a user-box stating I am being oppressed by them.  But, they're all true so whatever.  Defiant Elements 01:05, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * I didn't like seeing 33 user-boxes so I cut it down to a much more manageable 24 :D.  Defiant Elements 02:03, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * Looks better :) Btw, you need a box saying you're Multilingual! Entropy 02:10, 31 December 2006 (CST)

Wow looks really nice... definately pwns my user space lol ---Lania Elderfire 17:40, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * Well, that's just because I have no life and spend all my time doing things like updating this page. At some point I plan on adding some screen shots for the characters.  Defiant Elements 22:37, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * Whoa! haha. I need some clever userboxes. Very nice. Giangn626 04:06, 1 January 2007 (CST)

Hebrew
Always nice to find here new Hebrew speakers. ata gar ba aretz? ani student Heifai, ve shney hahaverim she hekiru li et ha mishhak kvar hefsiku lesahek. Foo 04:18, 1 January 2007 (CST)

Removing
You don't normally remove your comments from talk pages, particularly not from somebody else's. (They'll still see the You have New Messages box.) Instead if there's something you've said that can be disregarded you'd normally just use and strike the comment out. --Xasxas256 01:26, 2 January 2007 (CST)
 * Ok, I will try to keep that in mind for future reference. Sorry.  Defiant Elements 01:27, 2 January 2007 (CST)

Solo Troll Farmer
User:Blastedt already has a Solo earth Troll Farm build made up, maybe share some ideas with him? :) Entropy 23:07, 2 January 2007 (CST)
 * Hmmm... I see your point, but the builds only share three skills in common... well I am in the process of posting mine in stubs now, so we will see how it works out. Defiant Elements 23:09, 2 January 2007 (CST)

WoW
And exaclty why can't you stand ppl who play WoW? --Sigm@ 14:23, 3 January 2007 (CST)


 * Because you, duh &mdash; Skuld 14:52, 3 January 2007 (CST)

Lol, I'm pwning you with my lvl 18 Gnome!! fireball->fireball->fireball-> fire blast BOOM! DEAD! --Sigm@ 14:54, 3 January 2007 (CST)

It seems a common trend for GW players to dislike WoW—almost like they're mutually exclusive. :P --Ufelder 15:05, 3 January 2007 (CST)

They're not? o.O &mdash; Azaya 21:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)

It seems to me, one of GW's major upsides is the fact that there is no monthly fee, while WoW does. That tiny little detail makes a massive difference, and therefore the games are reguarded as as far apart as possible. It only stands to reason that players must pick a side, either you spend ten bucks a month and play for hours, or you spend fifty bucks every six months on expansions and play for hours. There is no "center line" to this arguement. ...or maybe it's just because WoW players are n00bs, and should always be treated as such. Jioruji Derako 22:11, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Disabusing a Notion
In the last week, two people have mistaken me for an administrator. Fox Bloodraven who accused me of behavior unbecoming of an administrator (unsubstantiated of course, I was acting according to voting protocol) saying, "Hardly the actions of a responsible Admin." Dark Samus in emailing me to ask me for comments on a build said, "ur the admin that comented on my build." Ok, now to for the disabusing, while I post quite a bit (around 1000-1500 in less than three months) and although my votes/comments are pretty much everywhere I AM NOT A GUILDWIKI ADMINISTRATOR. I honestly don't know where everyone got this notion, but I figured I should disabuse it despite the fact that I would like to be a wiki administrator :). Defiant Elements 16:27, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * I'd wish ppl saw me for an admin...-Sigm@ 16:31, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * It's nice that people think I deserve to be an admin and assume that I am, but eventually, I have the feeling that people are gonna expect me to do things I don't actually have the authority to do, like contacting me about reverts or comment striking. Defiant Elements 16:33, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Well, your not the only one. People have been thinking that I'm an admin for ages now, just see my talk page archives for some examples. It's pretty fun actually. (Note that admins don't have any more right for reverts, comment striking or anything else according to wiki policies. It's just more responsibility and more tools.) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 19:33, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Just because they can't actually revert or strike doesn't mean that people wouldn't ask them to do so. Anyways, I would have the responsibility without the tools.  I think the funny part is that I have only been posting on wiki for a little over two months and already people think that I'm an admin :).  Defiant Elements 19:35, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Well, both cases were also new or never heard users. Don't be so scared. :) They might have thought anyone to be an admin. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 19:40, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Ouch... I did say that it felt nice people thought I was an admin. And you just had to make it seem like nothing special.  Way to deflate my ego *tear tear* ;).  Defiant Elements 19:44, 3 January 2007 (CST)


 * To be honest, people thinking you're an admin has little to do with people thinking you deserve to be an admin. People thinking you're an admin comes from two things, the way you post, and people being used to other sites where people who vote or decide things ar eusually uber-users of some sort and everyone else is just plebians. Not saying you deserve or don't deserve to be an admin, just saying you're delusional. :P --Karlos 19:47, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Yeh, this is nothing unusual. I'm sorry we had to tell you. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 19:48, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * It wasn't the fact that I felt you were saying I had no chance of actually being an admin, I already knew that (although I can always hope). Rather that I felt that being mistaken for an admin was something unusual :).  Defiant Elements 19:54, 3 January 2007 (CST)


 * Not sure why you believe you have no shot of being an admin, everyone does, I would not worry about it though, that usually turns people off. Just contribute and work and you'll get noticed, pretty easily. Keep in mind however, that being an admin is not related to how many posts you have or how many articles you authored. More to do with how people perceive you can contribute to running the wiki (i.e. conflict resolution, enforcing standards, cleaning up the wiki, ...) --Karlos 20:06, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * I meant that I doubted I had a shot in the near future. Anyways, I am not doing this because I want to get noticed, I am doing this because I think the build section needs a LOT of work.  If every member of the PUG groups I sometimes got stuck with had access to/used a good wiki builds section, it would mean a lot less anger on my part ;).  When I first started playing GW I used the build sections a lot, and you gotta give back to the community.  Defiant Elements 22:05, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * PuGs still exist? =O --Silk

Another kind of bonder
Hey, I noticed on your Angelic Bonder discussion you mentioned that you really love bonding builds. I recently submitted a new idea for a type of bonder, the. Its already vetted, but I thought you might find it interesting. It combines bonding ability with BiP to act as a health and energy battery. Your angelic bonder looks cool too but I haven't built a paragon yet. Interesting builds like that are making me think I might though. -- BrianG 19:24, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Actually, I saw your build a while ago. I didn't vote because I couldn't test it, but I thought it looked very cool.  You have to realize that I honestly have no life and spend way to much time on wiki, so any untested build or build stub posted in the last couple of months has probably been looked at by me if only briefly :).
 * Hahahaha to be honest I think I can relate, I feel like that as well lately. I might use the same userbox as you (24/7) the next time I update my userboxes. -- BrianG 19:37, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Roughly two months on wiki, almost 1500 posts. I doubt many people can match that... hmmm... maybe that's not such a good thing though... ;).  Defiant Elements 19:40, 3 January 2007 (CST)

Moving Builds
I noticed that you moved you moved your power block build around a lot. Not that it's a bad thing, but it's creating an endless (well, a HUGE) chain of redirects. Please tag the previous page for deletion when you move builds, please. Tag the talk pages as well. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 22:20, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * Yeah, sorry 'bout that... originally it was a solo farmer but everyone wanted a team... so I built a team... but the Riposte Tank which was the other half of the tank ended up being replaced with an Elementalist Tank which I then merged with another of my builds which left me with what is essentially a completely reformatted version of my original build that includes a solo mesmer as well as a dual support mesmer. *Sigh*  Defiant Elements 22:27, 3 January 2007 (CST)

Unfavored Build
You recently moved my build to "Unfavored" without any sort of comment. The build is a bit different from when the folks voted. I'm just not sure I'm allowed to REMOVE the votes when I rebuilt it. KnightSilent 21:58, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * What build? I will look again.  Just so you know, you can't remove the votes, but you can start a new RaB somewhere else on the page.  Defiant Elements 21:59, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * A/E Rodgarts Empty Palm. I also need to change the name if that's possible. Was supposed to be Rodgort's Empty Palm, but I goofed when setting it up. I put it back into Untested, but what should I do so that folks rate it based upon it's Current set-up rather than on past comments, votes, etc?? KnightSilent 22:05, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * Oh, I thought you meant I had voted improperly... well, I looked at the RaB, saw four unfavored votes so I put it in unfavored as per the vetting procedure. If you have sufficiently changed the build, I believe you can ask for a re-test by putting it back in untested, archive the old talk-page, and add a new RaB... but with the whole reverting controversy, I might ask an admin.  To move a build to another name, you just select the "Move" tag at the top of your screen.  Defiant Elements 22:09, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * Who ARE the admins?? I'll move the page to it's correct name, but how do I archive the talk-page? KnightSilent 22:13, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * Just put a note on User:Skuld's user-talk. Defiant Elements 22:14, 10 January 2007 (CST)

Build
Het that MoR build gave me ideas, tell me what u think man... HERE Thx. --Midnight08 (talk|contribs) 18:56, 11 January 2007 (CST)
 * Hmmm... I like your skill setup more than the other one and I think it has more potential. However, I still question whether it is really worth it... however, this one I will go test since it looks interesting.  Defiant Elements 19:15, 11 January 2007 (CST)
 * I actually posted it and it got shot down in about 4 hours from people who wouldnt test it=P Feel free to vote for it in untested tho=P, and spread the word, maybe we can bring it back from the dead... worked ALOT better than even i thought it would in practice... =)--Midnight08 (talk|contribs) 23:38, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Teaser
I actually tested the build, Defiant. :) I removed my Unfavored, as I didn't see any mention in the variants. I must of overlooked the small amount of text underneath the normal build. You may want to remove the 'Optional' slot as clearly Spirit of Failure needs to be used in conjunection with distortion, and you said it yourself, Power Leak doesn't work very well with the build.Isis In De Nile 23:44, 14 January 2007 (CST)
 * I will do so. Defiant Elements 14:42, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Taking The Title
lol, Defiant it looks like i've taken the title for the most userboxes, without realizing it, untill i got a message from Gem and some other guy saying that i have more userboxes then anyone else on wiki (or any other page on wiki) (SORRY OTHER GUY ;D )Asmodius  08:26, 15 January 2007 (CST)
 * Well, you are welcome to the title. I used to have around 35 boxes on my page and it just didn't look very good which is why I am down to around 20 now.  Defiant Elements 14:42, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Para Bonder
Hey thanks for the reply. I think you are right in some ways. Im trying to figure out the right combination of skills and I think Im trying to make the para do too much. The P/Mo build is simpler and the truth is, not many teams have the smarts to spike the bonder, or dont care, or you just take 2 good monks. I think ill just be stiking to P/Mo, now. thanks again!--&mdash; Hyprodimus Prime   21:25, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Xeeron/Build volunteers
Don't forget to put any changes or activities of note on Xeeron's volunteer talk page too @ User talk:Xeeron/Build volunteers. Obviously a vote or single vetted build isn't of note but several builds archived, vetted, etc. would be worth noting. Thanks again for signing up, too many did but then never did anything.--  Vallen Frostweaver  07:33, 16 January 2007 (CST)
 * Hmmm... I may have done that already... I will have to look over my contributions of last night. Defiant Elements 13:12, 16 January 2007 (CST)

Mo/any Spike Healer
I recently greatly revised this build, and would like to have a chance for it to be re-reviewed by the guild-wiki comunity, if possible. Match 22:38, 16 January 2007 (CST)

Build:Team - SB/RI
Wrote a book for ya. Hope it helps. -Auron  08:23, 17 January 2007 (CST)
 * Added another chapter. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 21:22, 17 January 2007 (CST)

Ritualist restorers
Hey there. I don't mind merging builds, but I honeslty have concerns about your version; I know mine pretty well, and while I can see aspects of your version that work, it would be tough to use an elite that cancels two of your other skills and makes it tough to use a third. A friendly dialogue is preferable to having you post to have my build deleted though. I won't lie and say that I wasn't upset by that move - I thought I had made it clear on the talk page of your build that I felt they were different enough to put them separately: Here are my reasons:

With only 2 spammable weapon spells you can't use Wielder's Boon, and the build actually plays differently (I've tried) - the Wielder's Remedy is a natural move since you have 2 spells with 3 energy cost that are used every 3 seconds each - or in essence a condition removal between the two of about a condition a second - pretty darn fast. Playing with Warding and Resilient however is more about keeping weapon spells active and making use of the bigger heal of the Wielder's Boon. In addition, the optional slot being used for Return, Hexbreaker or Natural Stride puts in much more in line with many monk builds in terms of its ability to take care of itself; the interplay between Return and Generous Was Tsungrai was a nice surprise when I discovered it, getting a huge 280 health heal while crippling foes and escaping to safety. While they do share aspects, the play is quite different when you pare it down to the two reactive spells - yours is no doubt better facing life steal and hexes, while mine is great versus conditions and damagers, and with 2*0.25 second spells pulling conditions off can save people from Deep Wound spikes pretty well. It does involve only 3 skills substituted, but you almost need to do all three, since they work in tandem - once you have the two fast skills (Vengeful and Remedy) the other weapon skills are even harder to use, and Wielder's Boon becomes hard as well - so you end up changing more.

Anyway, rather than bicker I'd like it sorted. To me, the play is very different - but if you think they are similar enough we can give it a go. I wonder at using WoR on yours, but I also acknowledge that there isn't much else to put there - if you want a heal and don't want spirits there are few options. I've played versions like yours on the route to coming up with mine, which I ended up prefering, but maybe it's a stylistic thing. I'd be fine trying them separately and merging them if they both get vetted for example. -- ~ Epinephrine 20:56, 17 January 2007 (CST)

New Idea.
I know how much you like bonding builds, so yea. I have an idea, that I think would work. How about a E/Mo Bonder. Protective bond with stoneflesh aura. I've submitted one build and it was unfavored (N/any Army of One), so I dont really feel like putting time into making another build page. I would like your thoughts on this and maybe if you think it works put it together. I tried Stoneflesh with angelic bond, and it works, but i think it would be alot more effective with an ele and a monk secondary. Giangn626 23:49, 17 January 2007 (CST)
 * I meant to say Life Bond. haha big opps on that one. Giangn626 00:25, 18 January 2007 (CST)
 * True. You could have an ele secondary with stonflesh though. -50 damage reduction. thats what i was thinking. Giangn626 00:31, 18 January 2007 (CST)
 * I like you idea though. I just dont like the downtime of SoA. Thats why i was looking at different variants for the Angelic Bonder.Giangn626 00:35, 18 January 2007 (CST)

Combining Builds
Could you remove the deletion tag from the mending touch ranger? As the author I'm not allowed to do it myself and I would say that keeping it until the vote is over would be the best thing. If combining builds goes unfavored it could be deleted then.--Gobla 05:26, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Oi
SBRI looks pretty solid, I got confused when you put that section in archive. -Auron  00:46, 18 January 2007 (CST)

Disabusing a notion
You unwittingly flattered yourself in misreading my comment; I did not mistake you for an admin, I was actually saying I think you would suck at the job. Fox Bloodraven 05:23, 18 January 2007 (CST)
 * Remark uncalled for and actually not meant. I should remember to edit wiki only when I am in a non-provacative mode. Defiant Elements - זײַ מוחל Fox Bloodraven 19:09, 18 January 2007 (CST)
 * Another comment that shows abolutely no respect for your fellow users. Please refrain from responses like this. You can tell someone you dont like them. You dont have to be disrespectful or condecending about it in the process. --Midnight08 (talk|contribs) 08:23, 18 January 2007 (CST)

Build Ideas
Hey DE, saw your build ideas for the update changes. Splinter Weapon/Barrage is already fun to use, but if the changes stay, it will definitely be much more viable. Your N/Me (Me/N?) looks really interesting to me. If I may, could I suggest the skills Drain/Shatter Delusions, Ether Phantom, or Power Leak to be worked in there in some way? If the changes stick, I can see myself running a build like that. Nice ideas. - Krowman  15:27, 21 January 2007 (CST)

I just caught a glimpse of your Rt and D dual UW build idea. Certainly, it would work well in theory, but I'm afraid it suffers from the same problem as my build (finding a group), since there's already a solo derv build, why would a dervish want to split the loot with you? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Actellim (contribs) 19:46, 29 January 2007.

Hey, I looked at the 130 dervish you have posted, and I just wondered.. How are you going to get a condition on every mob you're fighting? You can get 3 with the Wearying strike.. but wouldn't the rest kill you? Marstfu 18:34, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * Well... all builds posted on my page are still theoretical which is important to remember. Defiant Elements 18:36, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * I know, I know. I just think it's a great idea. How about replacing Mending Touch and Wearying strike with Aura of Thorns and something like.. Signet of Pious Light? Constant bleeding on everything Nearby (given high enough Earth Prayers), and a full heal every ~14 seconds. Marstfu 18:46, 31 January 2007 (CST)

Userboxes
Yo DE, just wanted to let you know I used your "Paragon Bonding is t3h h4x" userbox on my userpage after I saw it here, as we all know it certainly is t3h 1337z0rs. Just wanted to know if you were ok with me using it, if not, I'll remove it. -- Hyperion` 20:38, 22 January 2007 (CST) (My bad didn't sign...I'm too forgetful).
 * Forget this, just saw where you said "Anyone is welcome to use my userboxes." P.S. I'm an idiot. -- Hyperion` 20:39, 22 January 2007 (CST) P.P.S. Ignore me tbh, I'm cluttering up your history...

rab
please use the current one, as that old one is crap, i dont even know where you're getting it >.< &mdash;Blastedt&mdash; 17:48, 25 January 2007 (CST)

User Page
yeah, really need help with editing my page, not used to this-Lokre
 * just customizing it, like how yours is done-Lokre
 * well, how do you get userboxes up and character slot thingys up?-Lokre
 * ok ty, well im going on GW, my gin is Lokre Proteco-Lokre

Preservation
Well, its not the range of the spirit that is the problem. I'm assuming you've used it, but check the page on the wiki. The spirit only heals at random, and every 4 seconds. If you plan to be spirit spamming and such, so two or three are around, it's still only mediocre. someone with full health can be healed over someone with 10%.--Nog64 18:02, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Hey, thanks for the add of the Vote section on my build :)
Just wanted to thank you for adding that section on my build to ease/allow voting on my build :) &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darkkingddd (contribs) 00:15, 1 February 2007.

Thanks for inserting it in the E/N Cryogenic Nuker too. (Actually, I don't even know the template, heh, so a really big thank you!) --Nova 17:57, 11 February 2007 (CST)
 * Oh, and if you have time, could you please help test the Cryogenic Nuker? I would appreciate it a lot. Thanks!! --[[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png]] Nova [[Image:NovaSmall.PNG]] -- 16:59, 12 February 2007 (CST)
 * Also, I changed the build around a lot, adding in GoLE and etc. Do you think it's changed around enough to consider re-voting? -- Nova  [[Image:NovaSmall.PNG]] --  (contribs) 08:25, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Build talk:P/N Battlefield Cauterizer
I request that you take a look at a build I'm devolping: Build talk:P/N Battlefield Cauterizer and give helpful and useful suggestions.--TheDrifter 19:34, 1 February 2007 (CST)

I was thiking of having the build more offensive, but having a hybrid condition removal capaility too. I think maybe you should post yours, we could put eachother's builds as related articles and thus show two diffrent aproaches, one defensive entirely, and one semi defensive/offensive.--TheDrifter 19:15, 4 February 2007 (CST)

P/Mo Godspeed AB
Hello! I saw that you voted on and agreed with an 'old' Nightfall build before the recent nerfs, my AB Paragon. I've created an updated version that is currently in testing phase, if it is to be passed, I'll replace it with the current one. This one is much more offensive and brings along a lot of travel power. Thank you. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Build:P/Mo_Godspeed_AB Isis In De Nile 12:44, 8 February 2007 (CST)

Thank You
Thank you much for adding the rate a vote to the build I posted. And again for removing the extra colon I had placed there by mistake. And lastly, thanks for catching my typo. *thumbs up* Firestarter18x 02:16, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Hey, got your message. I didn't revert the merge. Skuld reverted Van Wark's merge on the page. Since the merger was RV'd, I removed the delete tag from the Hidden Caltrops build, seeing as the reason for deletion was that it had been merge, and that merge had been reverted. See the History pages of both builds (I provided links to both builds above). - JesuisKrowman  01:49, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Epidemic Assassin
Empidemic = Inferior to Fevered Dreams. May I suggest Jagged Strike, Iron Palm, or Leaping Mantis Sting in place of Temple Strike? AmericanVlad 13:12, 19 February 2007 (CST)
 * Wow... those are some horrendous suggestions. Twisting Fangs already causes bleeding so Jagged Strike is worthless.  Black Mantis Thrust causes crippling so Leaping Mantis Sting is worthless.  And Iron Palm doesn't cause a condition.  So... pretty much worthless suggestions.  You lose two conditions (including the most important one, daze) and instead gain.... nothing.  Defiant Elements 13:49, 19 February 2007 (CST)

Instable Moebius
Why did you change the name of this build from Instable Moebius to Unstable Moebius whilst one of the skills this build is named after is called Mark of Instability .. with an "I"? Not that I give this build much of a chance. - Jill Bioskop X 05:33, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Ok, I read your answer, and my dictionary agrees with you. ;P - Jill Bioskop X 19:00, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Build delete tags
Just a request here: When adding delete tags to builds and referencing an already existing duplicate of the build, please include a link to the referenced build. Just giving the name forces the admin to trudge through to try finding the build to compare it to; and as few admins want to spend much time even looking at builds, a lack of a link for easy reference could prevent the build from actually being deleted. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:17, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Userboxes
GIMME SOME OF THOSE USER BOXES! Please. Lol. Cheese Slaya 17:51, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Thanks for your userbox templates, they were so much better than my last ones, which messed up my entire userpage. Come see, I even modified some of them too. Anyone is welcome to use my new modifies ones. -> Alreajk 19:06, 24 February 2007 (CST)

Build:A/Mo 60DP Assassin
Oops, forgot to unfavor lol. --SBR 23:13, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Build:P/E Valkyrie
As much as I would like to have Sigma's votes decreed unvalid, it hasn't happened yet, so that build (4 favored, 2 unfavored) can't be moved to tested yet. I took the liberty of reverting it, but you can correct that situation by just voting (hint, hint) :) Edit: Some kind wandering soul has corrected the situation by casting another favored. Voilá, we now have the fire barrager for spearchuckers NightAngel 09:58, 23 February 2007 (CST)

Signature Test
Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 16:28, 24 February 2007 (CST)
 * Your sig should be 19px or less high and use a unique image file, it's also too long. Have a look at GW:SIGN. --Xasxas256 16:38, 24 February 2007 (CST)
 * Is this any better? Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 16:42, 24 February 2007 (CST)

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Energy Hate Team
Interesting spin you've put on it. Leadership would cancel out MOST of the downsides of the energy hate spirits, so paragon healers makes an interesting choice. I had thought about them, but ultimately rejected them because I wanted to add Roaring Winds to screw up OTHER paragons (not to mention "Fear Me!" warriors). The problem with them, though, is that they have no real way of healing the rangers other than Sig of Synergy, since the rangers have very very few, if any, on-demand skills that don't cost a boatload or have a horrific cast time. Also, the use of adrenaline on the paragons has me slightly worried; they'll gain it faster, but they still have to attack to charge it up, thereby triggering Quicksand and draining energy. Hard to say without actual testing, I think. As for the warriors, I really believe that a Decapitator and a Crip Slasher would be more effective (Decapitate warriors assume no energy anyway, and with Infuriating Heat up, they can use it every four hits. That's not bad. Crip slashers are just a lovely form of pressure, especially with Heat up). Of course, if we're removing Roaring Winds, we can also toss in "Fear Me!" on the warriors themselves. You ever spam "FM!" with Infuriating up? Definitely puts the pressure on. The synergy of Dragon Slash and Infuriating is not lost on me, but I wonder if it's the best possible choice. I'll definitely have to noodle over this for a little while. Let me know if you come up with any brainstorms, and I'll do the same. Zaq 17:42, 25 February 2007 (CST)

Re Vetting
Sure, I wouldn't mind collaborating on it. It will likely be difficult to get a consensus on but that's to be expected I suppose and I'm willing to give it a shot if you want. Lojiin 11:22, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Greetings From Zoidberg
Hi and sure thing, have I set up my sig correctly? I think I have but just want to be sure so I keep within policies etc :) . Do I have to add it to templates and when signing does the sig always have to be on the same line eg: -- Zoidberg  18:52, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Prices
The policy means "economy" as in "non-merchant" prices. Merchant prices for items are part of the item S&F. --Fyren 19:12, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Oath Shot + Spirits
hmm...Check this one out then?

Rollerbeetle Racer Dance
Saw it on my page and copied it? :p --Zerris- (talk) 22:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * Pretty much =D Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs)
 * It's just too cute... I may add the Wurm Dance too when they get it up. --Zerris-[[Image:ZerrisSig.jpg]] (talk) 22:54, 26 February 2007 (CST)

sig
Hi, your signature doesn't have a timestamp behind your name, could you fix this please? thanks. -- SigmA 12:12, 27 February 2007 (CST)

Build:E/W Vengeful Artillery
Why'd you delete my comment? It wasn't in violation of any rules or anything.--Nog64Talk 18:40, 27 February 2007 (CST)

I was actually expecting that, as I recall, a very similar thing happened to you(?) or someone else.

Rollerbeetle powa!
can i have the dancing beetle too? :D --InfestedHydralisk 18:35, 27 February 2007 (CST)

ok nvm --InfestedHydralisk 18:42, 27 February 2007 (CST)

Quizzes
How are you supposed to take the Kurzick/Luxon quiz, the Stress quiz, or the Guild Wars Quiz?Cheese Slaya 23:45, 27 February 2007 (CST)

rate on me
hey, rate me on my userpage :D --InfestedHydralisk 13:13, 2 March 2007 (CST)

Userbox Featuring You
--Zerris- (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2007 (CST)

Question
Do you know anyplace where I can get a program for hebrew typing? I have a need to, and I figured that you would have at least some idea. --User:Albinobird 23:42, 3 March 2007 (CST)


 * Maybe I can provide some help here... on my older computer (using Windows 98 and Microsoft Office), I was able to download a language kit from Microsoft themselves to allow me to type in Japanese (there were other languages as well, I'm sure Hebrew would be there). That let me type Japanese in any program, with a normal keyboard. If you've got Office, checking around the Windows website might find something. That's all I know, unfortunately, hope it's helpful. {Jioruji Derako} 23:46, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * Thanks, now time to go find that laguage kit! --User:Albinobird[[Image:Albinobirdsigicon.JPG|Albinobird]] 23:53, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * Hope you find it! And Defiant Elements, if you've got any more info, I'm still in need of a method to type in other languages... my new computer runs on XP, but I don't have Office, so it won't let me download the old kit I used to have. :( {Jioruji Derako} 23:57, 3 March 2007 (CST)

[[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings"
Thx for the signature, hoped you liked your visit? -- "Wings" 00:23, 5 March 2007 (CST)

Hope You like? -- "Wings" 20:06, 5 March 2007 (CST)

Mines beta and has a cheap feeling 2 it lol, go paint! -- "Wings" 20:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)

Userbox
Hey mate, anychance i can borrow your "This using actually believes in grammer" user box? Solus  08:23, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * Yeah, sure. I think I already mentioned, anyone is welcome to my userboxes.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

GFDL
Hey DE, I was just wondering what the purpose is for the GFDL boxes going around. Is it just a fad, joke or something more serious? Thanks--&mdash; Hyprodimus Prime   01:00, 7 March 2007 (CST)
 * Basically, I believe it is to release your contributions into the public domain so that people may make use of them. Specifically, these GFDL tags have sprung up so that the official Guild Wars wiki can use these released contributions and get established that much quicker. - [[Image:Candle.jpg|12px]] Krowman (talk • contribs) 01:51, 11 March 2007 (CST)

Build:D/E Mirage of Victory
I need your help on establishing were this build would be useful. I know that this Build works well in General PvE when mobs group, but the different PvP Arenas is were its stupping me. I know the potental of the Variate build, I have been using it for months in RA but it does not have a snar or a running boast(50% of the time for the main Build) so I know it will not get vetted through that. But if teamed with a Snarer the Damage capability of it could do quite well but i do not have any way of testing this.--Omega fury 16:32, 8 March 2007 (CST)

Featured
I added your lockdown spiker to Featured. --SBR 23:46, 9 March 2007 (CST)

Hey, I need your help
Though this may sound strange, I need your help on this build I have just created. To me you are trustworthy, and usually, if not always, give supportive comments. So if you would be so kind as to maybe list a few suggestions, I would greatly appreciate it. For I know nothing of necromancers...lol. The build should be in stubs, Under: AoE Damage Mitigator. (can't get link to work for the life of me, sorry) ~Readem

Untested
Build:W/Me Enduring Visage UW Solo is now in untested. Just thought I'd let you know. :p --   23:08, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Thanks! --   23:09, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Changed with your suggestions
Take a look at page, followed your advice. Kept N/E, check usage and what not if you would. Not sure about Attributes, up to you. Is usage ok? Re-wrote completely. Finally, can we get rid of voting template for now, was supposed to stay in stubs anyway. ~Readem btw, congrats surviving frenzy of words lol :D.

Contest
You think my build has any potential to work? It is as of yet untested. And for the record, Aatxes have ~1,150 health, so that's a no. --   22:17, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Moving Builds
When a build is moved, the redirect page that is created, is to be tagged with deletion. Not sure if I've told you this before when you came to the Wiki though. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 23:39, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Featured PvE Builds
I would like my build, E/Me Stoneflesh Ghial farmer, to be in the featured section, but I do not know if i have the authority to change the featured or if it can be changed yet. Can you help me?
 * opps, forgot to put my sig.--Guldwiki Nub 00:31, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * You have to wait until the Me/Mo Power Block Farmer is in tested or unfavored before you change it - Skakid9090 12:55, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * He knows, I left him a message on his talk-page. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

Build:N/any Blood Spike With Touch
Lightning reflexes defiant? you switched that unfavored just a few seconds after i voted unfavored. impressive.--Coloneh RIP 00:41, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Recent Changes FTW. Seriously though, check out this little quote about me when I first started posting on wiki: [].  The accepted joke on wiki is about how fast Skuld posts/used to post, well, that quote just proves I am right up there on the incredibly fast edits.  That, and my contributions section.  I spend WAY too much time editing wiki :).  Meh... maybe one days I will get nominated for/nominate myself for adminship as a result of all those posts.  5000+ in around 5 months isn't too shabby.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * I can't even start to imagine what boredom led to all this DE ;p –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 00:48, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Not boredom... Insomnia. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Current time: 5.59 am. I think...I'll take my leave now. :) –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 00:50, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Insomnia FTW. except no one ever wants me to run them anywhere at like 3 am.--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 01:14, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Userboxes
I just spent the last 10 Minutes amusing myself with your user boxes. Congratulations you have made my day not completely suck. :) --Dazra 00:17, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Glad I could help... :) <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs)
 * You have the one I made too! ^^ -Silk Weaker 02:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Can I steal some? <3 Firefox :P --Dazra 02:37, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I stole some :P ,I give you credit though =P

"My Builds"
Please, for the the love of Balthazar and Dwayna... put  LINKS  in your build names so I can actually find them... *breaks down and cries* --   01:58, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Added links to all that have been posted (by me). <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)