User talk:TheDrifter

Welcome to the Guildwiki Drifter, it's good to see you diving into it but you need to be more careful with your edits. All 5 of your edits so far have have had spelling mistakes, you need to use a spellchecker before you change or create an article. Also you can check out Lunarbunny's fantastic grammar guide here User:Lunarbunny/Grammar Thanks --Xasxas256 23:40, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been looking over some of your recent edits, you add a lot of useful stuff to the Guildwiki which is great but you're still making lots of spelling mistakes! Have you though about using a site like http://www.spellcheck.net it'd help a lot :) --Xasxas256 10:24, 7 March 2006 (CST)

Collector's Edition
See Guild Wars Factions Collector's Edition :) 06:26, 11 March 2006 (CST)

Bounce-Back MM
I did give it a try. I left some messages on the page about what I found bad about the build, and User:Cyrogenic also gave it a go to see what I meant. To sum up my comments, I said that without minions dieing, this build bottomed out on energy. So to manage your energy, you need minions to die. With this build, however, you're extra screwed than a regular MM. This build needs at least 5 Vamp minions to work; when it doesn't have them, it takes a long time to get them back up. I tried it later with a little variant later, Bone Minions instead of Fiends. They died more (more energy), and did deal decent damage, as the bonus from Winnowing and OoU apply twice. Sorry for misleading anyone. - Krowman  00:31, 21 December 2006 (CST)
 * Btw, once you post a build, it becomes official to the wiki, so no page blanking please! &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 16:52, 27 December 2006 (CST)

I did? Made a mistake there, I thought I removed this peice of vandalism changing it to a N/M.--TheDrifter 16:55, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Deletion
Comments are not censored, I must ask you not to remove anyone's text, thanks. &mdash; Skuld 17:16, 28 December 2006 (CST)

Make sure to tell your boy Rapta about that then.--TheDrifter 17:17, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * I don't know what rapta did, if you have an issue, point it out properly ¬.¬ &mdash; Skuld 17:50, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * Yeah. What did I do? Whatever it is, I'm innocent! &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:22, 28 December 2006 (CST)

Last warning
This is your last warning, your blanking at Build talk:R/W Bloody Mess and your comments at: User talk:Rapta, Build talk:N/D Mystic Blood Bonder, Build talk:Me/any PvE Domination Mesmer and GuildWiki talk:No Original Builds are not acceptable. You can bring us a specific issue with the site or with a contributor but do not engage in personal attacks again or you will be banned. --Xasxas256 21:37, 28 December 2006 (CST)

I posted this on Skuld's discussion page but I'll put it here as well so you won't miss it.

This is going too far, TheDrifter if you level an accusation of a personal attack you need to back it up with some evidence and some examples. You cannot continue to accuse others in this manner, these are serious accusations and are creating a lot of disharmony. Either gather some evidence and some examples, stop accusing others or continue in your current manner and face a ban. --Xasxas256 22:35, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * On the comment on Skuld, I did. An I know you saw the page, he called me a "stupidass". How is that not evidence that he made a personal attack at me?--TheDrifter 22:58, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * I just spotted this. I hope you recognise that I'm an outside party in this dispute.
 * I have not reviewed all of the history, only the one reference at User_talk:Rapta, which was initiated by your own personal attack on multiple other parties. You can't make an attack then claim a foul when others repond with the same.  You openned that door.  Provide evidence of previous occurances, or drop the issue.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:05, 28 December 2006 (CST)

This is about Skuld, not Rapta. I did not insiate any personal attacks against Skuld untill he did so.--TheDrifter 23:07, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * On the page to which I linked, you stated "Honestly, who made you an admin? Your mother? You and SkuldJR (Rapta) are two of the biggest jerks to me on this wiki.", to which some replies were made, then Skuld replied "I'm talking about your stupidass comment on thumpers". From what I can see, you initiated it.  If you have prior examples of unprovoked personal attacks on you, show them, or drop the issue. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:10, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * If I banned Skuld for a day for what he said I'd have to ban you for a month. Over the last few days a couple of contributors said things with varying degrees of incivility but as far as I've read, yours were the worst. If you want to keep pushing this I'd say that you're almost certainly going to come off worst. Read over those pages I've posted above and consider your own actions for a moment. I'd strongly advise you to drop this, Skuld has had a few run ins during his time here but my experience is that he doesn't hold a grudge and just moving on and trying to get along with your fellow contributors is probably the best thing to do. --Xasxas256 23:11, 28 December 2006 (CST)

Fine, I'd be fine going down with him. Why? Beacuse Skuld and all his worshipers are a joke among the rest of the GW community, and since he rules the builds section (the only section that I use my editing power in) there is no point in me countinuing to edit, as Skuld and his fan boys seems to make everyone with a creative mind feel like dirt here. Though, I never called him a "stupidass" or insulted his intelligence. And I don't think it is a day:month ratio, more like a week:month (Just my personal opnion, not a command). Even banning him for a day would send shockwaves though the dying builds section, and it would paint me as a myrtar to all those who are pissed off by him.--TheDrifter 23:17, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * If you would care to read my comments on all of the pages, you might notice that I haven't earlier been active in the builds section and definitely don't belong to any Skuld fan club (Is there really one? :P ) and I'm still posting you a kind warning. Your actions are negative. It's your actions that speak against you, not any Skuld fan club or other conspiracy. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 23:20, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * Would you like a badge? We have a cape, hall, and our tag is [LEET] :p &mdash; Skuld 23:25, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * If you have evidence of a prior occurance where Skuld attacked you personally without being provoked, post it now. The one occurance to which I linked above was clearly provoked by you.  If another admin banned Skuld for it, I would remove the ban as he was responding in kind to your attack (per GW:ADMIN, we each have that option).
 * Evidence of prior occurances could sway my opnion; but as it stands now, I'm seeing you disrupting the wiki over something that you instigated. Either provide links to other occurances, or drop the issue now. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:24, 28 December 2006 (CST)

At this point, I don't care. Skuld has been constently being a jerk to me and everyone else. I joined guildwiki to post build ideas in the hopes of having many people add construictive comments and have them grow, so i may befnefit from other's advice when I run them. Instead, Skuld shot me down, and when I asked him why, he never responded, caling me a "stupidass" and saying "you are so stupid" and "I won't even take the time". Its a shame someone like Skuld rules the builds section, especilly since he dosn't even like it existing himself. As long as I can read the good parts of the wiki, that's all that matters.--TheDrifter 23:25, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * If you are unable or unwilling to provide links to prior occurances, then as long as you stop disrupting the wiki you will not face a ban. Your post above suggests that you are willing to let it pass.  Please let that be so.  Any further disruption without providing supporting links will likely result in a ban. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:28, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * Skuld gives fair rating on builds. I've never seen him do anything bad to a build that did not deserve it. Anyway I'll shut my mouth or get flamed, too.--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 19:02, 5 January 2007 (CST)

I honestly don't know what you eman by flamed, and I don't know why you even psoted this. You are not Skuld. It is certinly no secret he is a jerk, or did you not know about W/E Starburst Warrior? I am allowed to say he is a jerk, and I do say it all the time.--TheDrifter 19:58, 5 January 2007 (CST)

Me/any Power Block Farmer
Obviously, you are free to vote on builds for any reason. However, you voted on on of my builds, i.e. Me/any Power Block Farmer with the following opinion, "No real capabilities alone. Would be better as part of a team build." While that can certainly be a fine reason to vote, I would ask you to reconsider for this reason. First of all, the build (if you tried it) is fully capable of shutting down and killing a boss. But, you may say that a two man team would still be more effective. Unfortunately, if you are looking for a 2-man team, this build is probably never going to be as effective as Famine teams. Part of the point was that this build can (against the right boss) serve both roles, shutting down the boss and killing it rather than using a 2-man team. With two man teams, you can farm more areas, but you also have to split the loot :). Well, just asking you to take another look, sorry for making you read by rantings.  Thanks.  Defiant Elements 16:48, 30 December 2006 (CST)

This build however, is slower. With a two-man team you can farm faster, effectivly giving the group more loot then you would get farming alone.--TheDrifter 17:46, 30 December 2006 (CST)

True, I just meant that saying it should be part of a team is a bad notion since in any team you put it in it will still be worse than a famine team. So, since a team revolving around it would be worse than an existing team, why try to put it into a team. Anyways, I personally don't think a solo farming build should get an unfavored basis on being slower than a team. Of course two can do it faster than one, that is true of every solo farming build, and yet solo farming builds are still vetted so how is that a proper reason to unfavor a build? Defiant Elements 23:27, 30 December 2006 (CST)

I think that you shoudl think about making this part of a team, plus a two-man could take care of this build's defensive weaknesses.--TheDrifter 09:20, 31 December 2006 (CST)

Well, I respect that opinion, but what kind of team do you mean? Defiant Elements 14:35, 1 January 2007 (CST)

''Although it may, MAY be helpful towards accomplishing its intended task, it too group dependant to determine whether or not this build has special value, and I suspect that it is suboptimal. Seva 05:45, 1 January 2007 (CST)''

That quote hits the nail on the head. It is so group dependent, it is just best if you make an entire group build.--TheDrifter 15:30, 1 January 2007 (CST)

I found a team that worked well, Power Block Mesmer + Riposte Warrior so I moved the page. Have a look, I would be interested to see what you had to say. It's now build:Team -Riposte/Power Block. Defiant Elements 19:29, 1 January 2007 (CST)

Rt/A flagrunner
Hi TheDrifter; you voted on the build I posted Build:Rt/A Flagrunner with the comment that "A/Rt with less stress on weapon spells would be a much better build". I don't understand what you are getting at with this comment, and it seems like you have misunderstood the build. Perhaps you can point out how being an assassin would help, since I don't see it - the build uses 2 assassin skills, neither of which need any investment to play their role (Dash has no attribute and Disrupting Dagger is only there for an interrupt). The remaining skills are pretty much healing oriented, and are designed to make the player a tough target, while also providing a spiking skill, since many builds benefit from their runner being able to assist on a spike. If you haven't tested out the runner's abilities I'd appreciate you trying it before voting negatively for it, or if you have tried it, perhaps you can tell me how it would be improved by being an A/Rt, with resiliency as its objective. --Epinephrine 16:06, 2 January 2007 (CST)
 * Ah, I see you haven't changed your mind then. Well, at least others recognised it as being decent before uninformed voting could sink it. A/Rt indeed.--Epinephrine 20:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

That build was not a flagrunner build, actully many who voted for it said that. I stand by my opnion, and think the build sucks, and I know at least one other person is smart enough to agree.--TheDrifter 20:34, 4 January 2007 (CST)
 * It doesn't suck, but you are entitled to your opinion. Given that there are at least two teams in the top 50 now running variants of it to run, it's a runner.--Epinephrine 23:06, 4 January 2007 (CST)

W/E Starburst Warrior
I'll try to go ahead and give you a synopsis of what happened if I can. I think that about sums it up. I leave it open to Karlos to explain anything else. — Jyro X 21:01, 4 January 2007 (CST)
 * A newer user posted a build (apparently in the stubs section) and began working on it and requested feedback on it.
 * Someone moved it into the untested category without talking about it first or without getting the OA's (original author's) permission.
 * Users (including myself) began voting on it when the RaB template was implemented on the talk page. I personally voted unfavored.
 * Some of the more well-known users started making joke votes in the favored section along the lines of ("Best build evahr!!111!!1" and "Echo-mending, move over. Starburst War coming through!!1"). =/
 * People started getting really confused about the votes and then Skuld moved the build page into the GuildWiki Humor category and even more came in making joke votes and making fun of the build and laughing at it.
 * By the time the OA got back to it and tried to figure out what happened, he was deeply confused and insulted (with good reason) and he has probably permanently left the wiki by now.
 * In short, some of our most well-known users and an admin committed an atrocity on one of the newer user's rights and broke several GuildWiki policies in the process.

Thank you for bringing this to my talk page, and for the info.--TheDrifter 21:06, 4 January 2007 (CST)

RE: comment on Skuld's Page

 * Heh u just DONT KNOW when to stop do u? ok, a little BG on the incident (since i practically live in this wiki)... Skuld was personally warned by 1 of the other admins... it was a BIG issue, but leadership is known to keep things like that quiet in ANY organization (9.5 years military service here, You 'knew when yer leadership got in trouble if u paid attention, but it was almost never made public) since then he has worked hard to be nice and put more effort into being thourough and respectful... Please, leave it alone, you're only causing trouble for yourself in the long run... (and making yourself look bad here/destroying your own credibility)--Midnight08  20:17, 5 January 2007 (CST)

Did you not see my psot. I found my answer, and delted it myself. I was not present for that insedent and wanted to nkow more about it. I checked his archives and found ym answer, can you please stop flaming me and relize I deleted that comment on my own? And he has not worked hard to be nice, he has ben extremly mean to me in the past.--TheDrifter 20:20, 5 January 2007 (CST)


 * lol he's been mean to me too... read his recent posts... ther is a BIG difference.Also, no i didnt see your change, i came here to post this as soon as i saw that. Oh and this was FAR from a flame, i was tellin ya ta chill so u dont get yerself in trouble... thats all... look around its not the 1st time ive tried to help some1 understand they were going too far. --Midnight08 20:22, 5 January 2007 (CST)

I don't if you nkow, but I made this acount a long time ago and for many months I stopped psoting with it and finally countied a few months ago. The reason for that was Skuld, who said I was stupid and told me I should never post on this wiki again. So I didn't. He may have changed, but up he has been a major jerk for as long as I've seen, and the only way i would belive he has changed is if he aplogizes to all the people he's treated like dirt. I could care less what you think of me, beacuse you're obviusly a blind supporter who dosn't really think for themsleves.--TheDrifter 20:26, 5 January 2007 (CST)


 * 1) Follow my history back a bit you will see how incorrect you are about me being a blind supporter. I never really got along with Skuld and still dont really
 * 2) I asked you once to leave me alone (on my talk) this is m asking 1 more time now (on yours).
 * I am done trying to be nice to you and help you see the point... leave me be --Midnight08 20:38, 5 January 2007 (CST)

Please stop it, this is my offical request for you to stop this.--TheDrifter 20:42, 5 January 2007 (CST)


 * You are both asking eachother to stop? Please both: Don't post a single comment here now and it's over. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2007 (CST)


 * I see you apologized to Midnight and I commend you for that, however, I'm still going to say my peace on this whole situation. Drifter, you and a lot of people have been warned regarding abusing other users, including Skuld. If you continue to goad any users or disrupt the wiki, you will be banned. I see Barek has said the same thing, but he's nicer than I am. Before you say anything about Skuld, I'd say the same thing to him if he continued to goad a user and I would not expect anything different if I kept insulting another user. Let it go please. &mdash; Gares 21:01, 5 January 2007 (CST)

Build:E/Me Underworld Tank
I would like to ask you to go back and take a look at your vote on this build as it doesn't make any sense in the context of the build. The build is not meant to have any offensive power. It is meant to tank the monsters in UW (much like a 55 monk) and have a teammate (SS nec or Famine ranger) deal all the damage. Please take another look at the build and the talk page. — Jyro X 14:06, 6 January 2007 (CST)
 * exactly what i was going to say. always stealing my thunder jyro--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 12:57, 7 January 2007 (CST)

You can't make a singular build with no offensive capablities. You need to amke a team build, and a single build with no attack power is useless.--TheDrifter 17:04, 9 January 2007 (CST)
 * That's a pointless comment. Monk builds have no offense.  Tank builds can perfectly legitimately have no offense - their job isn't to deal damage, but to hold aggro and soak damage.  Many builds don't need to deal damage to be an effective part of a team. --Epinephrine 09:58, 10 January 2007 (CST)

Actully, 55 mnoks do have offence, their protection spells do damage to enimies that attack them. And why do you care? You got enough votes for the build to be vetted anyway.--TheDrifter 06:46, 11 January 2007 (CST)


 * Soloers take shield of judgement, retribution etc. The half of 2-man teams who tanks doesn't take any smiting points and has spellbreaker as the elite &mdash; Skuld 07:23, 11 January 2007 (CST)


 * Despite having the build vetted, fewer negative comments shows more support for a build, and makes it harder to flip it to unfavored should more people vote. Eliminating unfounded objections is a way of keeping decent builds in tested.--[[image:Epinephrine.jpg]] ~ Epinephrine 16:32, 11 January 2007 (CST)

ou can't remove my vote, ragrdless of what you think, unless I okay it or I broke some kind of rule (like double-voteing or being the build authur). I, like so many other, could have just left no comment at all, but I did leave an actuel comment.--TheDrifter 18:15, 11 January 2007 (CST)


 * Nobody said that they were removing your build. --[[image:Epinephrine.jpg]] ~ Epinephrine 20:54, 11 January 2007 (CST)

That's not what I said, I said that I am not removing my vote unless I broke a rule, which it seems I have not done. I also said that many don't even leave comments when they vote unfavorably.--TheDrifter 21:21, 11 January 2007 (CST)


 * You do understand that this was a request, right? Jyro asked, it is of course up to you.  You don't have to get defensive or snippy about it.  Obviously it is up to you, it's your vote.--[[image:Epinephrine.jpg]] ~ Epinephrine 19:11, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Comment on Talk:Girls on Top
Hello, the talk archive template link on that was a bit misleading, but i'm reverting that comment because it is a preserved archive.

User pages
I think people should be allowed to put guilds on their user apges, I mean there is already alot of stupid and moronic things put on user apges, but those are allowed to stay.

And anyway, WOW wiki has most guilds listed on their wiki and everyone I know that plays WOW laughs at guildwiki beacuse there are no guilds listed.--TheDrifter 19:38, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Your text from there is above, you may wish to put it on GuildWiki talk:Community Portal. &mdash; Skuld 16:00, 6 January 2007 (CST)
 * I just wanna ask: Why would we give a damn what WoW wiki thinks about GuildWiki? Personally, I hate the game (think it's a big steaming pile of noob doodoo) and most (if not 99%) of the players that I've met from WoW are noob (not newb) morons. Sorry if this offends anyone, but it's my honest sentiments. — Jyro X [[Image:Darkgrin.jpg]] 17:21, 6 January 2007 (CST)


 * So we should be noobs to prove a bunch of noobs that we are not noobs basically... I'm confused :P--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 17:25, 6 January 2007 (CST)


 * I have to ignore the wow/gw thing, since gw players mock wow players and visa versa. That doesn't matter here and the fact that WoW wiki lists guilds and we don't also doesn't matter. Their Category:Guilds page says it's a very big category, yet they seem to have forgotten to categorize all but 184 guilds.


 * However, there is no objection to placing guild information on your user page. As I've said in the gwg wiki forums, it's your user page. If things such as profanity, racist remarks, and porn are placed, it becomes our user page and the user will be dealt with accordingly. &mdash; Gares 18:58, 6 January 2007 (CST)
 * Profanity? User talk:Gravewit. --Dirigible 19:11, 6 January 2007 (CST)

Your comments in the Build
What you posted was unacceptable - you bolted into the talk page and began insulting people without even looking at what had occured in the history of that page. And even after being prompted not to make personal attacks, you continued to do so. That goes against everything GW:AGF stands for - not simply regarding every edit (in this case, tagging with deletion) as a mindless act. Please get your facts straight before you start throwing insults in every way possible. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 18:50, 12 January 2007 (CST)

I said "whoever wrote that should be whipped" to be fesiesus. Yous tarted pulling lies and anger out of your ass, not to mention the fact that you totally insulted the person who wrote that build. And, I read the minsule talk page obn the previus topic. Stop[ personally attacking me and the build auther. You didn't give a real reason for your elitist actions, and maybe if you did I would not have dleted the tag.--TheDrifter 19:13, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * What lies? Everything I've said above there was cold, hard fact. No one is attacking you. Simply making sure that you do not generate these false "personal attacks" that you yourself have claimed to be used against you. Regardless, making insults is unacceptable. Insulting someone, calling them a child, insulting them via a point on a Deletion notice, and simply saying "should be whipped" all count as personal attacks. I, on the other hand, have not made anything close to a personal attack, other enforcing the fact that what you said was unacceptable, that you confirm your facts, and not barge into a talk page with these false accusations of "elitism". And these accusations of me making personal attacks is false - I have definately not made any personal attacks, while on the other hand, you have. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 20:39, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Also, I am also firm towards you because you have a past history of making such accusations and personal attacks against contributors who have not insulted you, and you've begun a habit of Wiki-stalking them and prolonging minor cases, and then overblowing them needlessly. Either way, this is a one-way communication. I've stated my point clearly, and will leave you alone now, unless you should decide to make more false accusations with no evidence, or continue your "habit" of starting conversations with aggressive insults. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 20:43, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Rapta, as I stated at Build_talk:Mo/any_Light_of_Deliverance_Hybrid/Archive_1, I do not view TheDrifter's comments to be a personal attack at this time. Repeated venting of that type may be categorised as a threat, but I don't view it as one at this stage.
 * The comment "to be whipped", in this instance, I view as a poor choice of words on his part to display general frustration - not a specific threat against you. While I agree that the obviousness of the reason could be seen by viewing the article history - I think that the confusion could have been eliminated entirely had a link to the redundant article had been linked in the reason field for the delete tag.
 * Also, as I posted to TheDrifter (below), you may be interested in a proposed site policy at No personal attacks. These concepts have existed previously; this proposed policy just spells it out more clearly.  Please review the proposal and make any comments you may have on its talk page. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:11, 15 January 2007 (CST)

You clearly don't understand. The build name was changed, which moves its location. This was not well done, thus a "bad move". And the word is "facetious". -- ~ Epinephrine 19:32, 12 January 2007 (CST)

And he could have told me that nicly before he started flaming me on my talk page.--TheDrifter 19:33, 12 January 2007 (CST)


 * Drifter - I fail to see where Rapta has personally attacked you on this, although he has been firm with you. You also accused him of insulting and personally attacking the build's author, which I do not see.  Please point out the "personal attacks" --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:36, 12 January 2007 (CST)

I still don't see why Rapta started yelling at me at my talk page before explaining the sitatuion to me. Furthermroe, I never made any "personal attacks" as he mentioned. he personally attacked me by flaming and spreading lies on my talk page.--TheDrifter 15:13, 15 January 2007 (CST)
 * I posted at Build_talk:Mo/any_Light_of_Deliverance_Hybrid/Archive_1 to Rapta on his claim of a personal attack - you were not singled out on this. I just now saw his reply to you above, and have also replied back to him.
 * I do not view his comments to you here as a personal attack. At no point did he threaten or insult you, he merely stated that he found your actions unacceptable and spelled out why he found them unacceptable.  His wording may have been more direct / less tactful than it could have been - but then, you set the tone with your initial post at that build.
 * Please clarify what lies you claim he was spreading.
 * On a related note, you may be interested in a proposed site policy at No personal attacks. These concepts have existed previously; this proposed policy just spells it out more clearly.  Please review the proposal and make any comments you may have on its talk page.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:11, 15 January 2007 (CST)

I felt that him saying I "bolted into the talk page" telling me to "shut up" I "don't know what I'm talking about" to be the personal attacks. i also feel him screaming bloody mary about me makinfg personal attacks were personal attacks in their own right.--TheDrifter 18:22, 15 January 2007 (CST)
 * There's a difference between pointing out the truth in a blunt manner and personally attacking you. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 18:25, 15 January 2007 (CST)

If he really he really felt that way, then wouldn't him telling me the whole story be more civil then telling me to "shut up and leave" then yelling at me in my talk page screaming about nonexistant personal attacks?--TheDrifter 18:29, 15 January 2007 (CST)
 * Please point out where he said "shut up and leave". --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:35, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Virtual LSD and being drunk
Did you ever check the quest pages? There are hundrets of references to movies, songs etc. So why would it be incorrect to mention Virtual LSD as a reference or a related phenomenon to the visual effects? I was quite surprised and amused when I saw that being drunk has the same effect than consumeing Virtual LSD... And I think that the mentioning has the right to exist. --Kai Neah Nung 22:26, 26 January 2007 (CST)

That blur effect is definitly not exclusive to the virtuel LSD program. That blur effect can be achived throughout a variety of mediums, and that would be like saying the necromancer class is a reference to Morrowind becuse there are necromancers in Morrowind.--TheDrifter 22:44, 26 January 2007 (CST)