Talk:Spell Breaker

Does it cost energy to attempt to cast a spell on someone protected by spellbreaker? I have memorys of draining my whole energy pool without noticing it. Pictures will follow as soon as I have time to test it. 139.174.247.21 18:23, 21 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * I am pretty sure it does not. When you click on the Blessed Grifin with Spell Breaker on, the game will give the same sound for "an anvalid target" (as if you clicked on a party member then clicked on Chain Lightning) and tell you that you cannot target this creature. Doing that never costs you energy. The spell was not attempted to begin with. --Karlos 18:40, 21 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Pretty pictures: ->  I lost exactly 15 energy because of my attempt to cast Chaos Storm on the Griffon. Therefor I'll reapply the note to the article. --139.174.247.21 18:56, 21 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * This proves nothing. Chaos Storm targets the foe's LOCATION, not the foe himself. Spell Breaker does not "break" spells that target a location. --Tetris L 18:43, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * You're actually both right and wrong, 139.174. You're wrong because if you had tried to cast the spell on him when he had it on, the spell would have refused to cast. Just like Obsidian flesh. BUT, in your case, you STARTED casting the spell and he had not cast spell breaker yet, BUT by the time you finished it, he had it on, in this case you will of course lose the 15 energy because those are paid in advance, BUT when the activation time is done, you'll fail with the message you got. I hope this clarifies things. I'll adjust the note. --Karlos 20:14, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * Ok, so here's a nice slideshow of me burning away 55 energy while trying to cast Mind Wrack (5 energy per cast) on a Blessed Griffon protected by spellbreaker: To everyone who still thinks that does not cost any energy: Please try it and post screenshots. If no one posts any objections during the next 24 hours I'll change the article again. --139.174.247.21 22:44, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * You are correct and correct, sir. I am wrong and wrong. I should have verified my recollections and theories. I just went out and emptied my entire energy trying to cast Lightning Strike on a Blessed Griffon. Apologies. --Karlos 23:39, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I am also pretty certain that you do lose energy attempting (but failing) to cast on a Spellbreaker-protected target. It has happened to me with my Elementalist, Mesmer, and Necromancer in the Fissure of Woe, when cutting a path to the forge (the Skeletal Bonds use Spellbreaker). Before I knew better, I once drained my Elementalist's energy pool trying to Flare a Bond because I thought that repeatedly casting a quick recharge spell will let me know when Spellbreaker wears off...but I ran out of energy before that happened. Also, yes Spellbreaker will prevent Chaos Storm from being cast on a Spellbreaker-protected target. It is most certainly a targeted spell, just like Fire Storm is a targeted spell, although it affects an area and will still be cast successfully if the target is eliminated before the spell is finished activating. You have to target an unprotected target to get the CS up and running, but once you do, it will affect any  enemy in range, regardless of Spellbreaker status. That's why spells like Chilblains, Lava Font, Flame Burst, Inferno, and other AoE untargeted spells work just fine vs Spellbreaker-protected targets. Similarly, try Shatter Hex on that hexed warrior teammate who is standing next to the Spellbreaker-protected target; it cuts right through Spellbreaker, just like untargeted AoE spells. --Razorfish 23:46, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * We've had this discussion before, there are no Area targeted spells in the game, PERIOD. All skills and spells target SOMEONE, you, them, him, her, a corpse, a pet.. Has to be a creature.
 * In my case, my recollections were so certain but were misguided. All my encounters with Spell Breaker have been through my Air Ele. Her spells are cheap and with attunement, she never runs out of energy except in very long battles. So, I was losing energy, but not noticing it because I would try a spell, get the invlaid target thing and just switch to another target or shoot with the staff. Again, I should have tested my thesis. --Karlos 00:06, 15 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I was responding to Tetris L's statement that Chaos Storm can still be cast on a Spellbreaker-protected target. We've had this discussion before? I don't recall talking to you about this...ever. You must be confusing me with someone else you disagree with often :) My elementalist only ran out of energy because I had already spent the bulk of my energy chain casting 2 Meteor Storms, 2 Fire Storms (+20e cost from double echoing implied), and Blur Vision...It is sometimes difficult to carry an entire team, being the only dedicated damage dealer in a party :p Anyway, this is just terminology, and there is very little reason here to nitpick over terminology. When I said "untargeted" I meant, non-Spellbreaker-protected/enemy-target, which should be obvious from the long list of example spells I presented. When target-self and untargeted becomes more than a nitpick is with Peace and Harmony, which has only-implicit self-target spells cancelling out P&H. --Razorfish 00:40, 15 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I was not arguing with you, I was agreeing with you that we (collectively as a wiki) had this discussion during the famous Ollj debates about Ally and other ally and possible skill targets. There's no argument here. --Karlos 05:47, 15 Oct 2005 (EST)

Has anyone checked whether Well of the Profane will remove this? -- Serps 17:27, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * Well of the Profane is also a spell that targets a LOCATION. Spell Breaker does not "break" spells that target a location. --Tetris L 18:43, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I couldn't case Fire Storm or Meteor Storm on the Blessed Griffons. 148.177.129.213 18:58, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Forget that, I remember I had switched to Air magic for those battles 148.177.129.213 19:46, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Technically, Well of the Profane SHOULD work. Never tried it myself. But if Chilblains works, then this should work, right? --Karlos 20:06, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Come to think of it, WoP targets a corpse, so it will always work! --Serps 20:23, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)

Spells will cost energy whether the target has SB at the beginning or end of the cast (and 139.174.247.21 provided images as proof for the former). Also, profane will work. Editing the article so it again says spells cost energy and adding the profane note. --Fyren 23:15, 14 Oct 2005 (EST)

So far Order of Apostasy, Signet of Disenchantment, and Disenchantment have been listed as being able to remove Spell Breaker. Am I right in thinking Expunge Enchantments could as well, since it is a skill? --MasterPatricko 04:15, 1 May 2006 (CDT)