Talk:Guild Wars Eye of the North/Archive 4

"If you think of EotN as a story in three acts"
If you think of Prophecies as a story in three acts, the first involves escorting refugees to Kryta, the second involves Ascension, and the third involves trying to destroy some evil foes. That doesn't mean "Act 2" appears on the screen once you complete Sanctum Cay. If PC Gamer had have said "Eye of the North is a story in three acts," maybe delimiting them with "Act 1" et cetera would be applicable. -- Dashface  23:16, 31 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Correct, the PC Gamer article makes no explicit statements about a formal act division. -- Gordon Ecker 00:15, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Video looks awesome
here is the video of the caverns of the Shiverpeaks in GW:EN. It looks awesome can't wait till my pre-order comes in :D Ownage myname 12:42, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Uhm.. It's not the caverns of the Shiverpeaks, just a preview of the dungeons (Depths of Tyria). Anyways, yes it was a great trailer, I watched it over and over because it has great music in it and great scenery, I just couldn't stop watching xD :D -- Austy 14:29, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Am I halluncinating or did that frog have a sword? The Myotis 02:09, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Heket --DEATHWING 06:45, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Definitely didn't look like a heket. Also, Moria. Yeah, I understand it's silly to accuse any fantasies of copying Tolkien, but a lot of the areas shown look they were taken straight from the movie. Spen 13:00, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Nah, the Great Destroyer mutated The Frog and he stole some farmer's sword or something and want to kill people :P But seriously, Elona is connected to Tyria, so it probable that heket got into the Depths and took on different characteristics. Besides, Elonian Skales don't look a thing like Tyrian Skales, but they're obviously both Skale. At least these have SOME looks in common --Gimmethegepgun 13:45, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Well if you ask me I think the answer is fairly obvious. It's a clear homage to the greatest game ever.  Mechasoupx 10:24, 17 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Sure looked like a Heket to me.. If not, think of it this way: Does a swedish guy look exactly like an african guy? no! But they are both human. Does a Heket from gw:en look exactly like a heket from nightfall? no! But they are still Hekets. Imagination (or in fact a realistic)... On that note, I think this expansion is gonna be great, a real good ending to the first journey :) And judging from what they know now since the release of GW1 I think GW2 is going to be a total blast. Imagine the best of everything in a whole new world :D
 * And judging from the gw:en trailer I´m guessing GW2 is going to have alot more "actual" dungeons then GW1 had, cause that was really the main thing that was missing imho --Soulflame 18:55, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Speculative release dates
I was about to revert the latest edit and add a comment about concensus on the talk page against speculative release dates, but I realised that we don't actually have a concensus on the talk page against adding speculative release dates, so removing the note again would violate GW:1RV. Anyway, I'm in favor of excluding any speculative release date, what about the rest of you? -- Gordon Ecker 22:44, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Agree, until ArenaNet make a public announcement with a date of release, anything in a magazine, web site, forum etc is pure speculation and has no value posting here. --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:55, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * The page itself states only to be updated for official announcements and official dates, so I say revert the edit. It's just another random date, unconfirmed by ANet- heck, it could be two months off easily. It has no place on the page. -- Elveh 23:01, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Looked on Gamespot this morning, may not be official but they said August 31st, but we will have to see if it changes.--Manbeast15 08:52, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Manbeast15, Anet have stated they expect to release some time in Q3 (third quarter of 2007), so technically any date between July 1 and September 30 "could be" correct (unless, heaven forbid, they decide there's a need to push the release back). However, until an official date is announced, game review web sites, pre-order game selling sites, magazines etc are all just making a guess (be it an educated one or by the reading of chicken entrails, ewwww). Posting any unofficial date on this article doesn't help one way or the other, so best GuildWiki not get into the speculation business, agree? --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 21:51, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Except now the official release date is the date i posted. If Gamespot says the date, i believe it because i have never seen them wrong unless the game is pushed back. They are official, so they don't post dates unless given to them by the publishers...--Manbeast15 23:59, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

Armor Speculation
So we know with the release that new armor sets will be released, the design of these are currently unknown which makes it all the more exciting. But, do you think the new armor sets will be harder to obtain or rarer than FoW (Obsidian) armor or just new designs not requiring such effort.
 * I really wouldn't want to farm for obsidian armor just for it to not become the "best" in a couple of months.
 * Thanks 86.132.46.114 17:30, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * My guess is that they will all cost 10-15k, and there will be Dwarven, Norn, Asuran, and the end-game armour. Could happen, could not. Shall see after it's release! --Valentein 21:33, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * The big question is the fourth armor set. I think the most likely candidates are Sylvari and Charr armor. Other possibilities include Seer armor, armor crafted by some unannounced GW2 race and Diamond / Jewelled / Crystalline armor (although Diamonds might be used for weapons, or might not be used at all). If they add the last three divine realms, I suspect they will include an armor set comparable to Obsidian armor, but I don't think new realms will be added until after Eye of the North. -- Gordon Ecker 23:35, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Armor comparable to Obsidian? Onyx Gemstones anyone? I'm fairly sure it was hinted that you should start getting mud,onyx, etc. by the devs. EDIT: "The question was "Can we expect rare materials such as: Onyx Gemstones, Diamonds, Bricks of Mud and Clay Bricks to finally make an appearance in the game?" and the official answer was "We can't answer that at this time because it will cause a financial crisis at the material trader. :)"" 75.45.64.10 20:18, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh yeah, I'm already stocking up on the mud and clay so I can get the highly sought-after Brick Shithouse armor.136.8.1.100 08:33, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Ceramic equipment could look really nice. -- Gordon Ecker 19:28, 27 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Are we sure that 40 means 4 per profession? One of my guild-mates said he thought it was 2 per profession. (taking into account that armor differs depending on gender)  If it's only 2 per profession, then we've got Diamond as our high-end Vabbi-type armor.  And we've also got a standard armor, which may include the assassin armor that we've seen. (that armor might also simply be a placeholder armor art as well)  I'm just hoping there'll be more ways to obtain diamonds in GW:EN if the high-end armor does indeed require it.  Certainly the dwarves must have some diamonds lying around since they're miners.  Maybe they can part with some via quest rewards or give us something like "Dwarven Trade Contracts" at least.  If there's 4 types of armor... Then Norn, Asura, Dwarven, and Charr armor (with one of those being Diamond armor, another being high-end armor, and the last two being standard armor.) Solis 02:36, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
 * All of the previous official armor counts have counted male and female versions as the same type, and I think they officially announced that Factions would have at least 6 armor sets for every profession when the final count was 8 new sets per core profession and 12 sets per factions profession, but that announcement was much further from release than the announcement of the Eye of the North armor count, so it's possible that they decided to add the additional sets later in the developement of Factions. -- Gordon Ecker 05:12, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Gaile recently mentioned the Ebon Vanguard on the official wiki, I'm guessing they craft the fourth armour set. I'm guessing they're either a branch of the Ascalon Army or a group of Charr rebels. -- Gordon Ecker 23:57, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
 * boss decided i didnt have to work today, so i been randomly surfing the web and found this on the guild wars official site:

"40 New Armor Sets—A combination of powerful, new sets and rare, stand-alone pieces worthy of the great heroes of the land."  any speculations about what the stand-alone pieces worthy of great heroes thing means? "green armor" maybe? or perhaps this has been entirely shot down since that came up, i don't know. so i ask, speculations? 68.34.130.44 11:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm thinking they mean something stand-alone like stonefist gauntlets were, armor mods not technically part of a set. Insignias sorta mess that theory up but I thought I'd throw my idea out there. Frost Knight 13:07, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Remembering the fact that there is ALREADY an standard and elite charr hide armor in prophecies, would there really be any point to adding another one?
 * The Dervish in this screenshot is wearing lava gloves and what appears to be a Charr Mask. One of the articles mentioned Elementalist armor with flaming gloves, and I saw several icy-looking armor sets in the preview videos. Maybe they're going with an elemental armor theme. -- Gordon Ecker 16:09, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

22:15 26 july 2007 i think thats asura armor :P looks mechanic :P citrus

polymock
Gordon where did you get your reference for the Polymocks, i know the creatures are in the game but what was your source? -- Xeon 11:43, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
 * * sigh* People just don't read the official site anymore do they... ;)
 * The official site linked to a dev diary here. :)  --Rainith 11:54, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
 * GW has an offical site? I thought this was it :O -- Xeon 11:56, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
 * People don't use the official site, merely because it sucks :P. Readem (talk *contribs ) 22:16, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
 * "In this game, you match your carefully-chosen game pieces in one-on-one battles against your opponent’s pieces. Win and you could collect new pieces to use in future polymock games. Lose and you risk terse derision from a wide variety of (mostly) Asuran polymock players." <- chess anyone? -- Xeon 12:01, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually the impression that I got was more of a CCG type game, somewhere it talks about finding game pieces that no one has seen before or something to that effect. --Rainith 14:33, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I read something about an Asura chess minigame, I think it was in the PC Gamer article. Maybe it's a collectible miniatures game. -- Gordon Ecker 20:19, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah its an asura chess minigame, each piece takes on a "form" of a creature which have certain skills it can use. The forms are like Mirage Iboga & Gaki form and such and the skills are just general skills from atm. -- Xeon 10:00, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
 * You are correct, it is just that to my mind, a game like chess does not require each player to have their own pieces or have one player start out with different pieces than the other. To me it sounds more like a CCG or as Gordon said, a CMG (I just went to CCG first as I have actually played a couple of those, whereas I have never played a CMG).  --Rainith 16:29, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I like the idea of a CMG, that would put some purpose to the miniatures and would make collecting them quite fun. Miniature wargames and stuff. -- Xeon 19:32, 23 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Putting Minipets to work sounds cool. If that was what you were alluding to. Sirocco 21:59, 24 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm thinking Battle Chess with a GW flavor. 136.8.1.100 09:28, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

Beta Weekend
Does anyone have ANY idea as to when the BWE for GWEN will be? I'd guess 4-6 weeks before the release date, but we have no idea what that is, except for rumors of Sep. 1, which would put the Beta Weekend around the last week of July. Nhnowell 09:57, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

The Beta will start Aug. 24-26th to those who bought the Pre-Release package from either retailers or on the NCsoft store. Everything you obtain in the Beta will be permanant for your character and will be ready for your character when the game goes live on the 31st. --Laragothraider 00:59, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

Game released?
So they released it finally since it IS on the what's new section again? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.184.241.144 (contribs).
 * No. Sirocco 21:39, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

dude i saw this thing that said its 100 years after wen we first were in tyria so how the heck is gwen still aliv? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.115.255.165 (contribs).


 * you're confusing Guild Wars 2 and GW:EN ^__^. Seb2net 17:48, 27 June 2007 (CDT)
 * You're also a retard for misreading things. It is not 100 years, it's hundreds of years. Note the plural. This explicitly means more than 100 years. Two : Why would you make such a moronic assumption as to whether the game is released or not? >.> o my god talk about ww3? WOW DID WW3 START? -Omigawa
 * That was uncalled for. There's nothing wrong with correcting others' mistakes, but try to do it politely. -- Gordon Ecker 21:05, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Collector's Edition
Currently the page is updated to say that there will be no Collector's Edition. Seeing as the European and American sites both contained slightly different versions of the FAQ (EU having a release that whereas the US didn't) I checked both on this, and couldn't find anything about a possible Collector's Edition. I did find mention of a pre-order package (which will be there) and a demo version (which won't be there), but nothing on a CE. By my knowledge, Gaile said it was still being discussed. If anyone can point me to an official source about the CE thing, please do link to it here. I'll leave the article unedited for now. -- Elveh 10:11, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I added the comment, and here is my source. I was hoping for a CE myself, but I guess it won't happen :( Alaris 10:32, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
 * The line about "even a few surprises" makes me think we'll see a Charr hero, as does the description of the Darksteel Longbow as a Charr weapon. -- Gordon Ecker 18:29, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

No dwarf?
Aw man, no dwarven heroes? Damn, I'd love to see a midget in my team :P &mdash; Shady Guy   16:04, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Asura will be short. Plus, there will be a few surprises, so I'd dwarf is likely a hero and a playable race in GW2. Alaris 16:10, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
 * ... that we know of. Ben Miller confirmed that there will be an Asura hero and a Norn hero, and that there will not be a Sylvari hero, in the Games Radar interview. That leaves 8 heroes who could be any race other than Asura, Norn or Sylvari. -- Gordon Ecker 22:17, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Awesome, maybe there will be dwarven minipets in GW:EN! Miniature King Jalis Ironhammer anyone? &mdash; Shady Guy  [[Image:shadyguysig.gif|19px]] 06:14, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Hope not. i don't like dwarfs Falafel 06:26, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

Recent interview just confirmed there's a dwarf hero. Capcom 18:48, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * dude i want an asura hero so bad! especially that asura ele guy, he looks so cute with his lil fire staff/wand. (read with high squeaky voice) I'm using Searing Flames! hehe!
 * Khelgar Ironfist, perhaps? --Mgrinshpon 00:03, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
 * "Miniature King Jalis Ironhammer anyone?" He doesn't need to be made even smaller! Let the guy have some self-esteem! [[Image:Glimmer_of_Light.jpg|20px]] The Paintballer (T/C)

Date and source for unannounced project
What's the date and source for the note about the unannounced product in the works? -- Gordon Ecker 22:17, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
 * See Alaris's link 2 sections up. In it Gaile states, "The team is working on the two projects that you know about, and another cool project that is still under wraps."  --Rainith 22:44, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Possible hero?
I don't think she's a henchman, as she has a wand and a shield, and I'm pretty sure she's not a player character due to the hair style. -- Gordon Ecker 18:29, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Definitely not a player, and probably not a hench because of the shield - every hench I've seen with a wand doesn't have a shield or offhand, so yeah, probably a hero. Ghost1 18:56, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

This Charr (who has been shown in at least one other picture) is also wielding that combo. Perhaps they're both heroes? (I hope so!) Capcom 19:02, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * What about in ? Ghost1
 * What exactly does that picture have to do with anything? Looks like Jora (the Norn hero) versus an enemy Charr? Capcom 19:08, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It's been confirmed that at least some Charr in Eye of the North will have secondary professions, so it's possible that she's an E/W or E/P henchman. -- Gordon Ecker 20:25, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Don't have to be /W or /P to have a shield, and NPC weaponry is randomised &mdash; Skuld 05:32, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Not seen a lot in the last two, but at the beginning of the game, there were tons of casters that carried shields, mainly because the weapons in the first one didn't fall from one specific types (i.e wand dropping from warrior)--Manbeast15 00:03, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Visibly carrying shields or just dropping shields? Martial weapons and shields will drop off of anything regardless of profession. -- Gordon Ecker 00:53, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

Polish districts?
The release of Polish districts will likely coincide with the release of Guild Wars Eye of the North. Where can I find a source of this news? 83.30.245.11 09:59, 2 July 2007 (CDT)


 * Only there - Rewiew link: http://guildwars.gram.pl/index.php?aid=43 but it's only a information good knows for Poles and you must be able to speak polish or:

J&H: Jedna kwestia spędza sen z powiek większości graczy w Polsce: kiedy pojawią się nasze rodzime dystrykty?

KR: Odpowiedź jest o tyle trudna, że nie zależy to ani od wydawcy, ani developera, tylko od graczy. Jeżeli sprzeda się jeszcze 10-15 tysięcy kopii GW, ruszą polskie dystrykty. Taką politykę ma Arena i jak widać nie jesteśmy na tyle wyjątkowi, żeby dla nas zmienili swoje zasady.

You won't find any inforamtion abut those districts on GW.com / NCSoft or AN webpages

--Grethort 09:13, 3 July 2007 (CDT)


 * Thanks, that's enough for me. 83.30.228.62 14:19, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

New skills
10 new skill per profession.. Anybody else feeling a little disapointed ? I expected more since we're not getting any new profession. I guess this is really a PvE expansion. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kyrax (contribs).
 * If they add 10 decent, usable skills per profession, that's more than they have added with any other campaign. --DEATHWING 02:01, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
 * That's the main reason I'm not worried about the implied reduced skill count for Guild Wars 2. Guild Wars has a lot of skills, and most of them are good for something, but a lot of those skills either only have certain narrow uses or are good, but are so similar to one or more other goods skills that they are virtually interchangeable. Yes, I'd like as many skill choices as possible, but solid, versitile skills are more important than niche skills, and there's a point at which the dev team's zots are better invested elsewhere. -- Gordon Ecker 02:53, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Agreed to a certain point. Variety is nice, but as long as they are useful. However, does that mean we can kill skill hunter title goodbye? Alaris 07:44, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Will there be Pre-Searing like landscapes?
I do hope so, 'cause it would be beautiful. Here's a screenshot that looks like Pre-searing. --Rickyvantof 06:54, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes yes, I remember reading an interview where they said that the Charr homeland would be very much like Pre-Searing. It makes sense, because they use to live in the same region, just North of Ascalon. Alaris 09:56, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

Profession-Specific?
The article states that none of the new PvE only skills will be profession-specific. What's the reference on that one? Strikes me as odd...wouldn't 50 PvE skills that aren't profession specific make every class the exact same...? 10 new skills...TOTAL? Those have got to be some pretty amazing skills. And how many are elites? O_O! ...Anyways, my main point. Could anyone link me to where that's stated? 99.245.143.39 02:13, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I've seen it a in few official places: interviews, articles, etc. I don't have time to look for it now, however I wanted to say that at least some of those skills will be more specific in use, and others will have special applications as well. Some examples: (1) Light of Deldrimor hurts enemies and lights up the area to reveal secret areas, (2) Some potion grenade weakens the armor of some monster types (I think destroyers), and (3) flame weapon can be used to get a certain boss to do something... Alaris 09:25, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Ya, I've seen that as well...it just seems odd that FIFTY skills, of which NONE are profession specific? It just doesn't sound right...=O 99.245.143.39 22:35, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Sign your comments! Whether it sounds right or not, that's what we're getting. Besides, I think it's about time we get lots of profession-nonspecific skills to choose from. What sounds wrong is that we only get 10 profession-specific skills per profession... Skill hunter will be so much easier than in the campaigns (unless those skills are all elites) !!! Alaris 14:46, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
 * That just makes me think that a lot of the PvE only skills will have very limited use, akin to Disarm Trap in Venta Cemetary. It'd be kind of like including Disarm Trap in the skill count for NF, which is a tiny bit misleading though not false. So '50 PvE only skills' might not actually be that many. Skuldnoshinpu 18:02, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

Haircut Change?
I was recently told that GWEN may include the ability to change a characters haircut to something from another campaign Does anyone know if this is true? or is it just a hope or dream &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.166.195.39 (contribs).
 * People have been wanting that functionality for a long time (myself included), but nobody knows. Arshay Duskbrow 14:22, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Depends who told you whether its true or not--Diddy Bow 13:54, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Well, the August 1st demo overview did mention "all sorts of new ways to change the appearance" of characters, so...just maybe... Arshay Duskbrow 05:11, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Gwen
Gwen is a small girl on the day of the Searing. We know this. We know that EotN is 6 years after the Searing. So that means she's about a preteen or teenager now. Does that picture depict a teen? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.141.233.219 (contribs).
 * Hmmm...you make a good point. But she seemed 8, we'll say, in Pre-Searing. But the Searing and the Charr attack on Ascalon took two years. So 8 + 2 + 6 = 16. So Gwen *SHOULD* be around 16 or 17 in Eye of the North, presuming we meet her. And the storyline in GW:EN itself could skip a few years, like Prophecies did, so she could be over 18 in GW:EN, making her old enough to be out on her own, killing things. Nhnowell 20:17, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
 * No way she's 8. According to her size I would give her 11 or 12. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.146.206.65 (contribs).
 * Zhed's 17--Darksyde Never Again 23:33, 22 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Okay, say she's 11 or 12 in pre-searing. With the mat a few posts up, she would easily be 21or so in GW:EN
 * either way she's old enough to be a hero in GWEN, but considering we were about 20 in presearing that would make us about 28 or older, so when GWEN is complete we would be about 35 and still look the same, lol.--67.67.161.12 18:58, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 * GWEN takes place 6 years after the searing, not 6 years after the 2 year point after the searing, pay attention to the cinematics. I say at most, she's 16. Zhed's 17, Tahlkora's 18, and Jin's also 17. Thus, 16 year old hero isn't all that hard to beleive.--Darksyde Never Again 23:23, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

(Reset Indent) I'd give Gwen 5-6 years old in Pre. She oughta be around 13-14 in GW:EN. I mean, how can you say she's 12? When was the last time you heard a 12 year old say "When I grow up, I wanna be just like my daddy!" or w/e that quote is. That's a younger age quote. The Paintballer (T/C)

Skills
Any news about em? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.141.233.219 (contribs).


 * Read the archives, there are a bunch of "leaked" skills to tantalize you while waiting for more official info. Specifically check out this: Talk:Guild_Wars_Eye_of_the_North/Archive_3. I also heard that Kilroy Stonekin teaches boxing skills. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:11, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
 * here http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_of_Eye_of_the_North_skills Chrisworld 00:24, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Gamestop ad
Check out this link: http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=647005

Though Gamestop is not always the most accurate source, it mentions a few things - preorder includes the beta in August, three days early entrance into some of the new regions, and three items. Krenn 08:37, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Glacial Blade
 * Darksteel Longbow
 * Hourglass Staff
 * It's on the official wiki, too. Seems like a rather empty pack if you ask me. No slots, no minipets... Sirocco 22:58, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
 * It's not that empty. It's the same as all of the packs except the Nightfall one, which had a character slot. The Proph one came with 1 item, access to the betas, a small poster, and a pretty useless guidebook on Tombs. The Factions one wasn't much different. Besides, at least in Canada, it doesn't cost anything extra to pre-order, so you can't really complain when you're getting it for free.

New info?
This says they saw a Charr hero (in addition to the confirmed Norn, Asura, and Dwarf), that Polymock involves you transforming into the creatures to battle with their skill bar, and that a golem transformation skill would be one of the Asura-granted PvE-only skills. However, some obvious errors in the report and the phrase "if we chose to adopt them as heroes" in reference to Asura makes me wonder how accurate it is. Capcom 10:19, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Charr hero has been reported several times, and is confirmed as playable race in GW2. There is no reason to doubt that. The "if we choose to adopt them as heroes" mistake is minor, given that you can adopt an Asura hero if you choose to. It points to a writer that has not necessarily played GW, yet has been paying attention to everything that was said and has noted details of what was seen. An example, he noted that the Norn hero looked different from the Norns, which makes sense because I believe it's Killroy Stillskin! Alaris 10:36, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
 * .. Do you mean Kilroy Stonekin, who is a dwarf? Or are you joking? [[Image:GDSig.JPG]] 10:39, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I can confirm the Charr hero. Go to [www.gamespot.com www.gamespot.com], find Eye of the North, and watch the gameplay videos from E3. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 10:49, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh, awesomeness. I knew it'd be that buff Charr they showed in a couple screenshots! Seems he's the Ranger. The Asura is apparently the Elementalist, and the Dwarf is the Monk. I can't read their names and professions though, I'm guessing based on the fact they're using skills as if they were those professions. Capcom 11:28, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Could just barely make out the professions, but not the names. Added a heroes section with the new info. Capcom 13:05, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

The Dutch Guy
Do you guys remember that dutch guy on a video that he was saying some things about the then-called fourth campaign? And that Gaile said it was all wrong? Well, about some things he is right now. Like, that there was only one campaign coming this year (wich is now a expansion) and that it was coming out in August. And that it would have a Aztec theme... well, somewhere he's right i think. There was a screenie that had temples in it wich i think were inspired by Aztec temples. They also looked like it i think. This subject might be a bit random but i just found it funny to say it. -- Austy 13:33, 13 July 2007 (CDT)


 * Those aztec temples were Asuran I believe. --RedFeather 13:43, 13 July 2007 (CDT)


 * Do you got a link to that video? Pul 16:50, 13 July 2007 (CDT)


 * LoL, I remember. I didn't watch the video but I did read the summary. I guess Gaile got pwned. Sirocco 21:28, 13 July 2007 (CDT)


 * The link is on Archive 1. look for Video Interview: Possible Chapter 4 Info - Aug. '07 Aztech/Mayans -- Austy 03:56, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

World map
It looks like the aboveground parts of Eye of the North will share the world map with Prophecies. I could see the icons for Riverside Province and Maguuma Stade on the world map in the onlinewelten video. -- Gordon Ecker 23:57, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Hero Names
I notice the names of the heroes are in this page, can anyone confirm this and bring a few screens?--Dark Paladin X 12:47, 14 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I think the info is from E3, not totally sure though. Lord of all tyria 13:05, 14 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The names were indeed revealed when they were shown at E3. Here's an article about it.  And here's some of the gameplay movies; the first one has the 3 heroes in it. Capcom 04:13, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

Hall of Monuments
I'm wondering... Is Hall of Monuments account-based or character-based? Does anyone knows that? Like many people, I'm having maxed titles on a different characters, but I'd like to save them as one (something like saving account name in ATS). It would be great to inherit one name and all achievments of all characters... Fett 09:09, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Character-based, judging from the many implications from Anet, but nothing has been officially confirmed about the Hall of Monuments. [[Image:GDSig.JPG]] 13:08, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
 * There's however the fact that you cannot transfer characters from GW to GW2. So in GW:EN you could build different HoM's for each character but the HoM in GW2 would probably be account based. --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  15:43, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
 * It wouldn't make sense for it to not be account-based in GW2, as that would just punish people with more characters as opposed to players who focus on one player. Hopefully Anet has realized this already... Skuldnoshinpu 18:05, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

Pets
Have there been any mentions of new Tameable Animal Companions? I haven't read any of the developer blogs or anything, only what has been posted here, and Officially announced, so... Please don't stone me to death if this is a stupid question. >.> &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.162.47.210 (contribs).
 * Nothing so far. -- Gordon Ecker 04:26, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

I think Ravens or Crows may be a new type of pet, in the new movie you see a Norn with a raven or crow several times, this may be a clue?? Salathus 13.49, 27 July 2007

My guess on above-earth areas
What's your opinion? I think the explorable areas in spe are quite clear to see. --Roland of Gilead (talk) 19:21, 17 July 2007 (CDT)
 * You missed the area south-west of Droknar's Forge.
 * I have a copy of the complete map, without any fog. You can download it here: http://files.filefront.com//;8045312;;/
 * Much easier than blindly guessing. --Curse You 19:59, 17 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Very nice. At least I haven't been too far off :) Where does this come from? Testers? And how long has it been around? --[[Image:Roland_icon.png]]Roland of Gilead (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I have no clue where it came from, or how old it is. --Curse You 20:14, 17 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I counted the areas in the map:
 * Tarnished Coast
 * 5 towns / oupposts / mission outposts
 * 4 explorable areas
 * 4 off-map portals
 * Far Shiverpeaks
 * 2 towns / outposts / mission outposts
 * 6 explorable areas
 * 6 off-map portals
 * Charr homeland
 * 2 towns / outposts / mission outposts
 * 3 aboveground explorable areas
 * 4 underground explorable areas
 * Other areas
 * 2 towns / outposts / mission outposts
 * 2 explorable areas
 * 5 off-map portals
 * I predict that the area to the west of Droknar's Forge will be the new port. -- Gordon Ecker 04:26, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Where do you 'count' those? Foo 05:26, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * From the linked map provided above by User:Curse You --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  05:40, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I see on the map though that there are some portals that lead to nowhere so. Where do they go? The Depths of Tyria or areas that are not accessible to the testers. - Strato (talk) [[Image:User_strato_stratus_signature.png]] 16:34, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I've done a recount. I missed a few towns and portals, and counted the green area to the west of the Far Shiverpeaks in both the Far Shiverpeaks and other areas sections. -- Gordon Ecker 17:21, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Strato, I'd guess that those portals leads to each other, directly, or through underground areas. Foo 17:29, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I counted four underground explorable areas in the Charr homeland in the gameona video, so it appears that those portals don't lead directly to the depths. -- Gordon Ecker 17:37, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I have to admit i a little dissapointed, most of the North westen map wasnt touched. some of that looked cool, lik the second (possibly) fire islands...--Patch 21:07, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, that island looks significant. It has a huge, unnatural looking swirl on it. I have a feeling that the island will be visited in Eye of the North, but only in underground zones. If not, it's probably going to be accessible in Guild Wars 2. -- Gordon Ecker 21:14, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

(reset indent) This map mod reveals all the above ground locations, for some reason. Check it out. --Macros 21:46, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't think so. On the old RoF islands (as on any other mappable area) you can clearly see paths and bridges and stuff even when unexplored. The scale of the world map isn't that large; if it were supported by the game, you could squint your eyes and make out actual characters on the world map. The "new" RoF islands just lacks any such features, it looks exactly like the homogenous land mass that makes up the unexplorable parts of the world maps. And for further proof, download the explored map posted by CurseYou. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by RolandOfGilead (contribs).
 * That's why I said undeground. On the world map, Sunspear Sanctuary, Bahdok Caverns and Hidden City of Ahdashim look like the homogenous land mass that makes up the unexplorable parts of the world maps. This is also the case for the four underground areas of the Charr homeland visible in one of the E3 videos. I'd prefer it if the Depths of Tyria used a separate world map like the Realm of Torment, but it's also possible that the Depths of Tyria could use the same world map as the aboveground areas. -- Gordon Ecker 01:35, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry, missed that underground part. And the fact that the underground parts don't have a map makes it easier for the Cartographers :) --[[Image:Roland_icon.png]]Roland of Gilead (talk) 02:14, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * If you look to the left of Camp Rankor, you can see some land that looks like it will be a new area as well. --68.46.209.82 11:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Will Cartographers have trouble?
since GW:EN is really expanding the map of tyria and its not considered another campaign rather an expansion, how will this affect our Cartographer title?--Patch 10:08, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * A lot of people have expressed this concern. All we know so far is that cartographer title did not vanish with the map update, but when GW:EN comes out, it still might. Unlikely though, as that would unnecessarily upset people. Alaris 10:20, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * How many time does it take to tell you that the Tyrian cartographer won't change? :P Gaile said that numerous times. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 10:42, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Got a reference or link? Alaris 11:26, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Nope. My word will have to suffice. It should be somewhere on guru, or in the chat logs. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 12:32, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

July 20 trailer
After watching the new trailer, I added the obvious to the trivia section of the artical. I'd add the link to the trailer page, but I don't know the format for it. If someone could do that, they would have my thanks.--Smarty100044@msn.com 12:07, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I must say, tears came to my eyes while viewing that beautiful trailer. --Roy Switchblade 17:22, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Amen. It was awesome, beautiful and exciting. I can't wait for GW:EN now. Arshay Duskbrow 00:53, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

Does this mean that if you explore other areas of Tyria now it will count towards the cartographre title or will it only count for the origional areas? Can't wait to find out!!

Tabula Rasa Beta
First of all, I dunno what this is, second, I have the pre-release pack in front of m and there is no such thing as access to that beta. Removing the notice. Blaze 18:17, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Just learbed that some retailer has the notice of the access to that beta in the product description. This is false (at least for the european one). Blaze 11:29, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * There is a card inviting you to sign up for the Tabula Rasa beta in at least some retail packs - I purchased mine in the US, and found the card. It invites you to their web-site, where you fill out a form to sign for the beta.  The website on the card is: www.RGTR.com.  Looking at the sign-up info, it looks like they will be selecting individuals for the closed beta based on many criteria, including location - perhaps they have gotten more folks to sign up already from Europe?  I know I signed for this months ago, so it's been out on the web and available for people to find if they were hunting the PlayNC websites. Lady Ryln 07:06, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

Skills Preview courtesy official wiki
Is the info from here going to be added to guildwiki, or are we going to wait until GW:EN is actually released? --Edru viransu 01:38, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Seeing that multiple people have already gone into the GW.dat to find out everything about GW:EN, it seems to me that this info is legit. Also, it's the official wiki, so I guess there is some approval or confirmation from Anet behind it. Adding skills without description seems a bit useless to me, but I guess it can be added. Blaze 05:44, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Those skills are official. Some devs even comment on them on the talk pages (Izzy for example). &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 06:01, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * They are not released under GNU act so they can't be taken until GW:EN comes out or they make it available on the GW site for Download.--Eloc 06:12, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * if you read the gaile news on the official wiki she puts a link to these skills. i say they are official(and pretty sweet)Edit: but dont go jumping for joy yet we've still got a month of balancing
 * A link to the Official Wiki where Izzy uploaded them. They are still copyrighted until EotN releases.--Eloc 00:59, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * How will GW:EN being released have any effect on the copywrite status of these skills?--84.70.79.207 01:05, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * It won't, but we're a member of their fansite program, which means that we're allowed to use screenshots, as well as any images in the fansite kit. -- Gordon Ecker 01:50, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Expansion?
This game is an expansion to Prophecies, not a stand-alone, right? Thats what I've been hearing, and I'd like confirmation. 71.252.63.185 06:23, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * It's an Expansion to all 3. You need one to play EotN.--Eloc 06:24, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

I do have a question on that, how could it be an expansion to all 3, when it only borderlines the Prophecies GW??? None of the 3 plots pertain to lands in Factions or Nightfall. Also are the owners of the latter 2 able to visit and do quest for the original Prophecies because it's in the same map???? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.9.232.33 (contribs).
 * First, sign please. Second, owners of the latter 2 will be able to visit the original Prophecies, if they buy it. It's easy enough to separate areas and access to them, so that you can have multiple campaigns (or expansions) sharing the same map, but being able to move from one to another only if you own both. Third, Nightfall is on the same continent as Prophecies, they share the desert. You can actually move from Nightfall to Prophecies via the deserts if you own both, instead of boat-travel. Alaris 19:06, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Don't forget the warp portals and undergroud tunnels. With these two you can go anywhere on the planet and the chapter location doesn't matter.  ANet has their bases covered, don't worry.  --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  21:06, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

Let me rephrase that, how can it be an expansion to all 3, when the storyline doesn't relate to anything from Factions or Nightfall??? I already knew that you can have only Factions or Nightfall and still play the expansion.---DK
 * Ok, so it's an expansion to Prophecies. However, Factions-only and Nightfall-only owners can also buy the expansion and play it, even if they don't own Prophecies, in which case it's an expansion in that you have added stuff (heroes, skills, items, titles) and things to do (missions, quests, etc). That the story is unrelated to Factions & Nightfall (and even there, it's debatable, given that Shiro popped up in NF) is a moot point for me. Alaris 11:28, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Then how comes there are Charr (typical Prophecies mob) in Nightfall? --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  10:05, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Where? Besides, Prophecies and Nightfall are the same continent, so even if there are, it's easy to explain. If the Dredge can tunnel from Prophecies to Factions, surely the Charr can travel that far. Alaris 10:57, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I think you are mixing up the campaigns: Tyria and Cantha are on the same continent (Prophecies and Factions campaigns), Elona (where Nightfall takes place) is on a different continent but that's where you'll find Garfaz Steelfur and Scorch Emberspire. --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  11:36, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * No, I know my geography. Besides, ANet is built of 2 teams, the same one is responsible for Prophecies, Nightfall, and EotN, and the other team is responsible for Factions and starting work on GW2. It makes sense that Pro, NF, and EotN would be the same continent. But thanks for the info on Charrs, I now remember seeing Scorch... Alaris 11:48, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Ouch, my bad! Guess braindamage is what you get from not going to bed when your wife tells you it's sleepingtime. Sorry about the geography issue. --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  17:09, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

GW:EN from online store?
Will you be able to buy GW:EN from the online store, and if, when? Copper Elf 08:03, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The night of release, generally. That's how Factions and Nightfall worked. You have to preorder to get the sneak peek access. - Auron 08:11, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * you can preorder it in the online store. if you hadn't noticed
 * the pre-order package is not the same as GW:EN itself. Even if you bought the pre-release bonus pack you will still have to actually buy GW:EN itself once it becomes available. --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  10:03, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Gwen as a Hero
GW:EN Hero's

As you can see on the far left there is the picture of Gwen so.. Gwen must be a hero.
 * While I fully expect Gwen to be a hero, there's also 12 people on there. That means not all of them are heroes, and possibly not all 10 heroes are even on there. Capcom 12:36, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * And i seriously doubt we'll have 4 Norn Hero's (Most of which look like warriors there)--Midnight08[[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 14:43, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Is that a green tengu on the right???--Patch 15:27, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm guessing it's a combination of heroes and henchmen. The two blonde Norn in the center look like they could be the same character in different armor sets, and the white-furred, horned, goat-legged creature could be one of the Norn forms. -- Gordon Ecker 18:23, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Still it's a pretty intriguing picture, it at least implies that Gwen is our mesmer hero and that the necro hero will be female. But considering there's nobody there that really looks like they'd fit the part of assassin/ritualist/paragon/dervish, I second the speculation that not all of the heroes are on there. Skuldnoshinpu 18:42, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * For another thing, the strangely masked Dervish in the recent trailer is not pictured there, and I would definitely assume her to be the Dervish hero. Arshay Duskbrow 19:06, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I thought that was a player with one of the new Dervish armour sets. -- Gordon Ecker 19:35, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmm, that wasn't my read of it at all. It definitely felt like they were revealing another hero. Assuming there is a Dervish hero (and with 10 heroes that's just right for 1-per-profession) I'd bet anything that's her. Arshay Duskbrow 20:07, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

Erm, that "white-furred, horned, goat-legged creature" looks very much like a Minotaur to me. Anyway, there's enough there that could fit the parts if you don't count 2 of the males Norns. Pyre Fierceshot, Ogden Stonehealer, and Vekk are known of course. Jora is probably the Warrior, Gwen is probably the Mesmer, the red-haired human woman is probably the Necromancer. Out of those left, I could see one of the male Norns being the Paragon, the Minotaur being the Assassin, the Tengu being the Ritualist, and the plant being the Dervish. The last two make sense, but the Norn and Minotaur are a little iffy; the Norns don't really look Paragon-like, and I'm not sure I can see them giving us a Minotaur (are they even sentient?), much less one that's not a Warrior. Capcom 10:28, 22 July 2007 (CDT)


 * for the last 4, i think norn = para, minatour = derv, tengu = sin, and plant = rit

Oh, also, there's no way the two blonde male Norns are the same person. You can easily tell the difference by the scars, tattoos, skin tone, etc. Capcom 11:48, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

That Plant like thing reminds me A LOT of the plant cage and boss from Final Fantasy 9. --The Gates Assassin 23:11, 22 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmm, rewatching the trailer, the plant (or one that looks basically just like it) is shown when Gwen mentions the nemeses. I'm betting it's nothing but an enemy monster now. Capcom 10:24, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I'd like to add that it's extremely unlikely that the heroes will be nonhumanoid, like that plant. Just how would it use a bow, or a shield, etc? I don't see that goat-thing being a likely prospect either. These are almost certainly just monster pictures. Arshay Duskbrow 19:57, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah those are probably just pictures of creatures in GW:EN InfestedHydralisk  [[Image:InfestedHydralisk-icon.jpg]] 20:06, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Some of them could be henchmen. -- Gordon Ecker 21:03, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

I definitely want the green Tengu as a hero, dude looks wickedDK

they have confermed there are 10 heroes. 1 for each proffesion and there are 12 persons/monsters on that pic. so you cant say if they are 10 heroes 2 monsters or 9 heroes 3 monsters etc.


 * I think Gwen being a hero would be slightly unwise, and here's why: 1. People would bring the hero Gwen to regular Prophecies areas and just spoil the crap out of the mystery that has for so long, made us wonder what happened to Gwen. Personally I think she'll be our guide (think Rurik, Togo, and Kormir) through the Eye of the North storyline. 2. Heroes can join you in the realms of the gods, and Gwen's mother asks about her in the Underworld. If Gwen is with you, and her mother still asks about her, that would cause a serious inconsistency with the entire situation. A solution? Bring Gwen to the Underworld and her mother's A.I. changes to that of a joyous mother reunited with her long lost daughter. Perhaps her mother can give some kind of quest that makes you get Gwen's broken flute or iris flower and return it to the mother so she has something to remember Gwen by, as Gwen cannot stay in the Underworld forever! Food for thought, Gwen being a hero is possible and while I like the idea, it arouses many complications. --Gravemind 10:43, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * For point 1, what's wrong with dispelling the mystery around Gwen? And for point 2, there's already plenty of inconsistency with the Hero system. Considering that NF takes place a few years after Prophecies, just the act of taking Koss back to Old Ascalon itself is 'story-inconsistent'; there's already a certain amount of suspension of disbelief that you have to do when you go back to the older campaigns. At this point it seems like if Gwen ISN'T the Mesmer hero there's going to be quite a bit of fan-revolt, given the anticipation surrounding her, heh. (Also, Anet owes the Mesmer profession something really cool to make up for Norgu... *cough*) Skuldnoshinpu 14:43, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * One more thing, we've seen Gwen with two different outfits so far, the all-green one and the green/blue one she is wearing in the promo vid. Other than Kormir going from no blindfold -> blindfold, allies like Master Togo and so on haven't changed outfits. That implies that the two we've seen for Gwen are variants to be used for Hero armor. Skuldnoshinpu 14:59, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * All speculations, and until we get confirmation from an official source, this info should be treated as speculations. It's just wrong to treat speculations as facts, no matter how likely they are to be true. Alaris 21:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I didn't say I didn't think she would be a hero, just that it'd lead to complications. Personally I think it'd be nice to have her as a hero. Good counterpoints, though, especially the bit about the different armors (cough Skuldnoshinpu cough). --Gravemind 16:14, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

What I have found out about GW:EN
Hey guys I have found out loads of things about GW:EN! Please don't read if you don't want to know what happens in the expansion!!! Warning!!! Spoilers!!!

- The Destroyers come from under the earth, they have invaded the dwarf and asura tunnels. - There was an explosion, someone died. - King Jalis Ironhammer (is that how he is called?) may have a strong mind, but he can do nothing to the army of destroyers because they are all one. - Someone wanted to give the last Golem more power (???) - Dwarves have Golems who help them. - Gwen says: We are adventurers from the south. - There is a guy called Vak?? (written like that??) - They have to stop arguing to continue the battle (who??) - Older Asuras become weaker. - someone says: Gwen, stop this! - They let someone go.. - someone says: Wait, Gwen, wait! - someone says: What are you doing there, Gwen? - someone says: Many dead Charr - someone says: Gwen, I know what you are enduring. - Olaf is a hunter - Okdan is dead in the battle.. - Olaf is a norn? - who is Jura? - They search a refuge. - gwen (?) says: whatever built this was more powerfull than a human. - The Bear you see on many GW:EN pics is actually.. a human. i think - they swear by the bear - they swear by blood of worms - do never argue with a norn!!!!!! - npcs seem to be talking in GW:EN (you click on a guard he says: Why are you here? or A good day for hunting or such things or Don't you know further? How can I help you? Who sent you?) - dwarves see us as heroes :) - what/who is Buka? and who/what Excelsior? - Jalis? or is it Okdan? says we have to go to the heart of the shiverpeaks - gwen? says the ebon vanguard will help - the central teleportation chamber has some caves?? and a statue with energy???? - the Tome of Rubikon (???) says The Great Dwarf will affront the Great Destroyer for a final battle - some guy found the refuge of the destroyers - they search for a vision? - they need help of the norns - a big group with chef longmahr (??) went to a charr expedition but they disappeared - but the ebon vanguard needs more help - in the expansion we need to get the norns to help us - more coming soon..... also check what i added here http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Gwen#Meeting_Gwen_in_Post-Searing and here http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=458221 also i have added some info here http://presearing.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=55&topic=3693.0--86.204.103.161 18:25, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Interesting........The Hobo 18:35, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Pix or it didnt happen tbh - Auron 21:22, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry for you but I won't give pix yet, though this should be enough http://filebeam.com/61309684c338065884bc49136310cb2e86.204.103.161 22:13, 21 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't think you have enough evidence to add the dialog--even your sources doubt that it is correct (see your presearing.com link), and the thread at guildwars.incgamers.com is no longer present. Even if your info is correct, I don't see adequate proof at this time.-Incendentus

Fanservice
"[Eye of the North] is a fan service expansion," Jeff Strain, one of ArenaNet's Co-Founders told us during the demonstration. - http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/74997 --&raquo; Life Infusion &laquo;T&raquo; 21:18, 22 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes it is, in more ways than one. :D -- Gordon Ecker 23:01, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

Removed from the article
The following was removed from the article:
 * (Note: Factory distributors of games will ship out the actual product on release date, thereby causing the "release date" to be one day later at gaming retailers such as Babbages, Gamestop, EB Games, Best Buy and Circuit City. I use to work at one of those mentioned, and this was the common procedure.) --Laragothraider 00:53, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

It can be re-added if it's formatted more like an article note and less like a talk page comment. -- Gordon Ecker 01:08, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

article heading case
As per Style_and_formatting, I believe article and section headings should follow English grammar, i.e. lower case except for the first word, proper nouns, and terms that use upper case in the game. Anyone disagree? --Roland of Gilead (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
 * It's an accepted policy, so if someone disagrees he/she should discus that on that policy's talk page, imho. --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  04:16, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

charr
Why do they look so much different then in original prophicies? - Chrisworld 14:36, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Different? What's so "different" about them? Note, that the models of the Charr where updated. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 14:51, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The only one I've noticed to be a major departure is the Charr Hero, Pyre, and that's just to make her/him have a unique model (Zenmai compared to an Am Fah Assassin). --Valentein 14:54, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * There's ones with white fur and black stripes as well, but there's very much Charr who look the same as those in the past games as well. Capcom 14:56, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I never remembered charr being twice the height of a person : / --DEATHWING 19:16, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The low-level Charr are generally slightly taller than Humans (although the Warriors are hunched over). Charr bosses and level 20+ Charr such as Scorch Emberspire and the Charr Lords are about the same height as Pyre Fierceshot. -- Gordon Ecker 21:38, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
 * You mean you cant tell the difference in how different they look??? look at this pic - http://i17.tinypic.com/4yf2744.jpg - Chrisworld 02:04, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Pyre has armour, more fur and a higher poly count, but that's about it. -- Gordon Ecker 02:32, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * And he's teh sexar --DEATHWING 02:37, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * pyre looks like my dog, except pyre is.... you know....
 * Lol, you're comparing Pyre, a unique hero who joins you, to the generic Charr from Prophecies? Of course Pyre looks different, they wouldn't have him use the same model as a generic enemy. There's already been a screenshot that shows Charr that look like the generic Rangers and Monks, you know. Capcom 11:56, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh ok i see now - Chrisworld 12:20, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

Portals
Do any of you think that MAYBE, if you own Prophecies and have played far enough through it, that you could use a portal from The Falls to the Tarnished Coast, or maybe go from Dragon's Gullet north to the Charr homeland, or north through Iron Horse Mine or Anvil Rock to the land of the Norns? Sort of like Crystal Overlook to the Arid Sea. Nhnowell 16:49, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Possible. Sirocco 17:43, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm hoping so. Presumably there will be a quest from each of the continents to take your character into EotN: I'm sadly anticipating Lion's Arch/Kaineng/Kamadan again, but I'm hoping that they will finally put Dragon's Gullet to a fitting use. Plenty of dead ends in Cantha/Elona they could use too! -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 08:05, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Ooohhh ya. I was only thinking about above-ground parts on the previous post. I didn't even think about hte other two continents.....The possibilites are endless then.... Nhnowell 15:36, 28 July 2007 (CDT)

Elites
i kno there are no new EotN elites, but does that mean that there are no bosses with elites at all? or can we cap elites from previous campaigns here if we own that campaign, Ex Shadow Prison is too damn time consuming to go thru NF to cap, could we go to EotN somewhere and get it?


 * That's a good question, and it there are elites are they only core eiltes??? Because if a boss has a Spriteful Spirit (Prophecy only elite), can players from other campaign capture it(those that doesn't own prophecies)???DK


 * I doubt they will have cappable elites from other camps. Ofc, there are always the flukes such as the Preist of Menzies... Readem (talk *contribs ) 19:10, 26 July 2007 (CDT)


 * According to the brand the bosses contest, there's at least one boss for each profession. -- Gordon Ecker 19:37, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Maybe they are non-boss boss type monsters. Like Varesh, Shiro, and the Lich. They are bosses as such, but no aura and can't cap skills from them.--DEATHWING 02:05, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * (same person who started the Elites question), after this talk, i think there will be bosses from all the campagins using non core elites, maybe not every elite, but some. If u kill the boss from a campaign you dont have, the skills availible for capture by sig i think simply will not be listed or it will say in Red text that you cannot cap this skill, sorta like when u go to a preist of balth, it dont let u unlock skills you dont have campaigns to. i dont really care tho, i have every campaign. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.226.80.7 (contribs).
 * Isn't that one of the reasons they are elite skills, that you have to put some effort in it to capture them? --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  02:01, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * yes but some skills take ridiculously long to capture. like i said above, shadow prison is in The domain of anguish type area. an assassin who wants that skill has to go to a campaign that isnt his or her own and go thru the entire game just for the sake on one elite (thank god for elite tomes anyway) &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.226.80.7 (contribs).
 * It'll be nice if they add Feast of Corruption and the elites that can only be cappped in the Domain of Anguish and Ring of Fire Islands. It was a huge pain to cap elites in Ring of Fire and Abaddon's Mouth from out of the way bosses who don't spawn every time. -- Gordon Ecker 17:28, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * They'll probably have the same thing as the quest in the realm of torment, A History of Violence. In that quest, each of the 3 bosses has a faction elite (star burst, auspicious parry, and shroud of silence).  You can capture the elites, but they are locked, much like if you bring a PvE skill into a PvP area.  Knowing ArenaNet, this is what they will do, as it allows you to sample what the elites can do, and also gives you the ability to unlock them without owning the campaign, but also disallows you to use them until you buy the actual campaign they are from.--68.193.12.177 14:50, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

Hero table revert war
Could we get concensus on whether Gwen should be in the hero list, and whether the heroes should be in a list or a two column table? -- Gordon Ecker 19:41, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I'd say hold off on GW:EN in the hero list, because (unless I missed a confirmation) it isn't GUARANTEED she's a hero, and we don't know what profession or skills she comes with, etc. etc. And two-column table would look fine. Nhnowell 19:47, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I vote to put the list (or table, don't care either way) of confirmed heroes only. Put that in bold in the title of the list. Then add Gwen as most likely mesmer, and could be either hero or NPC. This info is correct, and most people should be OK with that. Alaris 19:50, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Has it been confirmed Gwen is a hero? If not, surely better to leave the speculation out and wait until it can be confirmed. As for the table, Flairmaster keeps inserting HTML table code instead of using wikicode (which has been reverted twice by two people now), but if properly formatted probably worth considering as it condense the information in an information-packed article. (On a side note, this same user keeps reverting changes made to the statement about the Anet press release and what price GW:EN was expected to be on sale for. To clarify my position on this, the way it was orginally presented, it implyed the press release stated prices for US, EU, Britain and Australia and this is factually incorrect, only US and EU prices are mentioned on the press release, however was not prepared to contravene the GW:1RV rule myself over this). --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 19:55, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * For Gwen, I really don't care either way. But if we don't put that comment, then it's just tempting people to put it up. And the revert wars will start again. Alaris 21:46, 26 July 2007 (CDT)


 * I have no preference on if the information is in a table or not. But, if in a table, it should use the wiki's standard formatting for tables - so I converted it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:04, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

May more closely resemble a Warrior's or Ranger's armor?

 * "Some players suspect that Gwen will be the mesmer hero due to the appearance of her clothing in the Eye of the North PC Gamer article, however, her clothes in the preview video differ from those, and may more closely resemble a warrior or ranger's armor."

I'm not sure about that ... The corset resembles Rogue armor and the shoulders resemble Mesmer Elite Kurzick armor. The top has a similar neckline to Elementalist Vabbian armor. There's also some Necromancer and Elementalist armor sets with corsets. The only connection I can see with Warrior and Ranger armour is the leather, but all the professions have leather in some of their armour sets. Is there a specific armour set or NPC she resembles? -- Gordon Ecker 23:16, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The statement seems like total bollocks to me. I'm regretting ever creating that hero section now with the way random users have slowly made it make no sense and include stuff like that. Capcom 23:22, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * It's almost certain she's going to be a mesmer. The armor, Gaile's comments all point to it. Arshay Duskbrow 23:32, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Frankly, I don't care and don't know why other people do. Why don't we just wait until (someone of) A-Net actually states what class she'll be in stead of guessing? –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 23:37, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Come on, guys - this whole page is just fun. Speculative information in the main, there's no point getting the hump with people asking questions that we can't answer - just write a macro that inserts "Wait and see" as a response :) -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 08:10, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

What did I Buy?
Last night, (July 26th) I bought the "GW:EN Pre Order" from the online store. It was listed under the product catagory - and not under the upgrades section, which is distinctly a different section of the online store. I am excited as I only had to pay $4.99 or so (US) for GW:EN! HOWEVER, haveing read more both at the official site and other pages of the wiki, I now believe I only bought an upgrade similar to the Prophecies upgrade. I will have access to the Beta weekend, and the "/BONUS" items, but come August 31st I will NOT be able to play the game untill I actually buy a different upgrade for $39.99 (US).

Can anyone tell me if this is true? I hope it is not as I would be sorely disapointed in Anet for the misleading/missinformation at the online store. - Lefick


 * Yeah, you haven't bought gw:en, but if I got it right, the 5$ you paid will be spared off gw:en itself, which will cost you, if you'll buy it on the online store, only 35$ now. Foo 17:20, 27 July 2007 (CDT)


 * In talking to my other Guild members, I am not alone in thinking I got the whole expansion for the $4.99. -Lefick


 * The is a lot of information about what the thing you buy actually is in the store. And it is a product, since it's also sold retail. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 18:48, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Read before you buy plox. –Ichigo724 18:56, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, it's far from "misleading," given one actually reads the information. And really, $4.99 for the actual game? Come on. Capcom 22:37, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Ive payd 47$ for preorder and GW:EN including shipping, tax and all and I'm not complaining. IF in the product description Vendor somehow stated that This 5$ key is your GW:EN game then you should turn to them instead. Biz 03:00, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The GW:EN preorder is what you paid for, similar to buying it in a retail store, putting five dollars down. I imagine that you will be charged the other 35 dollars on August 31st at 12:01 AM, and in turn have the full expansion. The whole expansion is not five dollars.


 * I should not have to "Imagine" that I will be billed later for more. There is no mention ANYWHERE in the online store pre-order page of ANY ADDITIONAL fees to be paid later. I did not see any "TERMS and CONDITIONS" that stated I'll be billed later. As I DID read the add, the Pre orrder READS as though I will get the entire upgrade. Its only on other pages of the Wiki that I started to wonder in the first place. So rather than attack me for asking the question, maybe you all should consider it more seriously. If it turns out that 4.99 WAS the game after all, then the person who paid $47 will have gotten hosed.- LeFick
 * Indeed, the wording could have been better. There is no mention that you'd need to pay the other 35.00$ to get access to the expansion.  However, there is also no mention that you'll be able to play the expansion past the sneak peek. As I understand it, you could pay 5$, get heroes & skills & items during the weekend, and you'd be able to use them when the game goes live even without necessarily paying for the expansion. As I will buy the expansion anyway, this is a moot point for me. But I like it when things are worded clearly. Alaris 10:03, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Price
If the ARV of a developer signed copy of GW:EN is $40.00 then why would a normal one be $39.99? Ghost1 12:27, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Because the "A" stands for Approximate.Fourth Horseman 12:30, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * ...thus the ARV of a developer's signature is $0.01 :D -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 00:30, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Possible Necro Hero
The six characters on the left side of this picture are Gwen, a female Necromancer (you can tell by her hands), and the four confirmed heroes. Assuming Gwen is the Mesmer hero, it would make sense for the Necro to also be a hero, as then the six characters on the left of the image would be the six core-class heroes. 69.244.236.48 12:38, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * No offense but this has already been noted above under "Gwen as a Hero". Skuldnoshinpu 13:20, 28 July 2007 (CDT)

Tengu and plant heroes(?)
Tengu looks very Ritualist...but the plant...how would it move? It doesn't look even remotely like the mobile plants from Nightfall...--SilverCyan 13:58, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * As stated above, those are almost certainly just pictures of enemy creatures. I wish people would stop spreading misinformation... Arshay Duskbrow 22:37, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, the Tengu could be a hero, henchman, monster or miscellaneous NPC. The plant is probably just a stationary monster, but it could be a henchman who moves around by burrowing in the ground. -- Gordon Ecker 23:51, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The Tengu has a fairly Aztec look to 'im, so if he's a hero he's likely recruitable in the Tarnished Coast. Wonder how the hero recruiting is divvied up, though. Hmm. --Valentein 00:03, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Can't help noticing but the Asura looks a bit like Stich from Lilo and stich.

The Six Gods (Goddess of Truth)
Since GW:EN is one year after nigthfall i think there will be six gods and not five.Is there anything confirming this?
 * First off, incredibly spoiler-y title I changed. Secondly, yeah, she's a goddess. And? That doesn't mean she's one of the main gods. There's probably countless lesser gods no one (as in the players) know about. Grenth was one to begin with, Menzies is at least a half-god. Capcom 17:59, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Well the Forgotten, Emperor Kisu and, by now, most of Cantha and Elona know about her, but I'm not sure about the other non-humans. If there are Kormir res shrines in Eye of the North, I don't think they'll be as common as the ones dedicated to the other five gods. -- Gordon Ecker 18:44, 28 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Think of the colours. What about the possibilities of the godddess of truth being a god for paragons? if that is the case, will there be other gods (ten in all) for every other profession which will finish some of the more dubious connections like that of assassin and lyssa?
 * crosses fingers for Avatar of Kormir*--SilverCyan 12:05, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * If you think about it, there should be 6 gods. Abaddon was a main god, but was cast down.  By being defeated and replaced, his replacement should become a main god.--68.193.12.177 14:24, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Problem is, Abaddon was thrown out long before the events of Nightfall. The other main gods divided Abaddon's stuff amongst themselves when they got rid of him since there wasn't a replacement at the time (like there was later on when Grenth replaced Dhuum). I don't know about the others, but I bet Grenth wouldn't want to give up part of his stuff for a new person. Capcom 17:35, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

Six years after what?
My change to the article that GW:EN takes place six years after Prophecies was reverted to say that it's six years after the Searing. What is correct? It seems like in every interview or gaming article, whenever the time is mentioned, it's the former. So 1076 or 1078? This seems to support my edit. --Heelz 10:26, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The article saying it takes place 6 years after Prophecies could easily mean that it takes place after the beginning of Prophecies and thus, Pre-Searing times. Try this, as it states the Searing took place in 1070 AE, the end of Prophecies and Factions in 1072 AE, Nightfall in 1075 AE, and the events of Eye of the North in 1076 AE. --Gravemind 10:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Just cause that's the official wiki doesn't mean it's correct. Besides, their article on GW:EN says six years after "the events in Guild Wars Prophecies, since the Searing blazed across Ascalon", which is ambiguous, since 99% of the events in GW:P happen in post, but it says since the Searing. Who knows? The Searing could've even lasted the 2 years in between pre and post. --Heelz 10:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * According to the latest trailer from ANet GW:EN happens 6 years after the Searing. Listening to the voiceover it states, "Six years ago, my world burned."  --Rainith 12:26, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Exactly...it's 6 years after the Searing...in Other words...6 years after Pre-Searing. 4 years after Post-Searing.--Thor79•[[Image:User-thor79.png]]•Talk 01:23, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

Speculation in the article- Remove?
quote: "Add only information officially confirmed by ArenaNet or NCSoft" The part about Gwen possibly being the mesmer heroe is the part I'm talking about.... Thoughts? MonsterAar 00:58, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 * "Known Heroes" should only include heroes that have been confirmed. Which means Livia needs to be removed as well. While we have confirmation of her name, profession, and her association with the Shining Blade...we do not know she is a hero...that's still speculation. I suggest we make a short list of possible heroes below that table that link to information we know about them. Right now I believe the only strong possibilities are Gwen and Livia. Neither have been confirmed yet though.--Thor79•[[Image:User-thor79.png]]•Talk 01:39, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

New Races
Is there any news on what the new races will be, or if there will even be any?--67.67.161.12 19:00, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 * There will be no new playable races in Eye of the North. The new races which will be introduced in Eye of the North are the Asura, Norn and Sylvari. The new hero races are Asura, Charr, Dwarf and Norn. The known new playable races for Guild Wars 2 are Asura, Charr, Norn and Sylvari. -- Gordon Ecker 21:25, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

99.9% confirmed
Gwen's a Mesmer alright, and most likely a hero. I found this on the guildwars site, someone else has probably seen it, but as far as i know, it hasn't been posted in here, i think the note on Gwen should be changed now since it's not just "players think this because of her clothing". Notice that she's holding a Chakram--Darksyde Never Again 23:18, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 * i'll also add that she's in the pose that all female mesmers make when casting a <1 second spell--Darksyde Never Again 23:19, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 * She's also holding an air wand. &mdash; ♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:47, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
 * but Vekk is already confirmed to be the ele, and thus, she cannot be the ele. her pose also overrides just about everything--Darksyde Never Again 00:18, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 * How does a picture showing her fighting a monster mean she's the hero? --Blue.rellik 00:36, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Indeed, Master Togo, Prince Rurik, Kormir and many others aren't heroes/henchman either but they still come along on quite a few quests/missions --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  06:59, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I made a female mesmer just to see how accurate that was and while that does look like it might be Gwen the pose looks to be more like a female mesmer (or any core caster female) wanding, as the casting pose when casting a <1 second spell are slightly different, the right foot is out front and the focus/offhand is raised into the air. But with wanding the left leg is bent at the knee and the focus remains low. Make a pvp mesmer and try it on the dummies in the Isle of the Nameless and you'll see. <3 --Gravemind 16:24, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 * How do we that is Gwen? and not some random mes NPC or player? we cannot see her face.68.226.80.7 20:54, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Nvm, answered my own question, her blouse is the same as the trailer, and in the trailer we kno its gwen. 68.226.80.7 20:56, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

Heroes and GW:EN PvE skills
Hello :) will heroes be able to use the PvE skills in GW:EN?
 * Nope, heroes can only use skills that are unlocked. Hence they can't use PvE-only skills. Capcom 14:22, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

That plant thing
A thought...could it be a Sylvari that morphed? Like Norns can morph into animals?--SilverCyan 15:15, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

Shiro?
I was at game stop preordering GWEN when i look over at the TV there, a voice was talking about gwen but the picture was of a guy with long red robes and long hair weilding twin blades, I was like wtf? is that shiro? a few seconds later the picture changed and the segment ended. Has anyone else seen this and is just mearly a segment from one of the bonus missions? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.208.21.99 (contribs).
 * Concept art, a screenshot or gameplay footage? It could be old concept art or stock gameplay footage, but we don't know when the Tengu Wars began, so I guess it's possible that you could fight alongside Shiro in the Tengu Wars mission. -- Gordon Ecker 22:54, 31 July 2007 (CDT)


 * I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case :/ --Gimmethegepgun 22:58, 31 July 2007 (CDT)