User talk:Entropy/Archive 25

first
suckers. (T/C) 11:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * second. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 15:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You archived while I was sleeping, so I reject your position as the first poster. And you cheated anyway :o --Shadowcrest  15:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * One less than fiveth. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 16:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 五. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Two more than one less than fifth. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm here
You can all put your pants back on now.--ìğá†ħŕášħ 16:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope your American, because otherwise i'd like to know what sly trick you used to get my underwear off Random Time  16:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I refuse to reapply my lower torso covering for the occasion of your return. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 17:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Infact, so do I Random Time  19:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fear my power. Born of Mexican and German ancestry, I have the power to remove anyones article of clothing by simply changing the past so that YOU NEVER PUT THEM ON IN THE FIRST PLACE.  BWAHAHAHA!--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]ìğá†ħŕášħ  07:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Warning, you have created a [[Image:Deadly Paradox.jpg]], mission failed! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * BUGGER! Not again D<  That's the fourth freakin' time I've done that this week!--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]ìğá†ħŕášħ  08:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Scotch
Is the stickiest kind of drink, no? &mdash; Powersurge360  06:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Good job. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd been guessing it was some cocktail with fruit/olive on a stick, but I couldn't recall any names. --◄mendel► 07:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's called dumb puns for a reason. If you wanted to get all Medieval on it, a stickiness index could be a good alternative answer. But yeah, Scotch(TM) brand tape from 3M(R) and Scotch the alcoholic beverage. The sheer stupidity of it makes it a hard riddle. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ... what are you suggesting? &mdash; Powersurge360  07:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Bananas, melonas, the summer of forbidden fruit. What are you suggesting? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Certainly not that coconuts migrate, if that's what you're getting at. &mdash; Powersurge360  07:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * With age they do - the heavier the coconut, the harder it falls. Also, if you have no horses, you can clap two halves of a coconut together to... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW
Do you take suggestions on what different ones you do? Because if you ever run out of one, I have three really insanely hard ones.--ìğá†ħŕášħ 08:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But then they wouldn't be mine. I have more but they aren't clearly visualized right now so I will add them later. Mostly I just want someone, anyone to solve the impossible one. :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that the one left won't be solved as much as it will be guessed by random-assed luck. &mdash; Powersurge360  08:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, if I had to solve it that way, so do you'all. It was hard for me too. A good deal of perception and awareness was necessary before the game would reveal its secrets... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * @impossible: You mean, that's not a Haiku? "Wild Geese Fly Back / O, how I envy those wild geese / Flying back to summer less lands / ... "? --◄mendel► 08:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No. It's a Poem and also a Song depending on how it is used. Very old (I think). Obscure. Try again? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I take a shot, I recall a phrase in Sound of Music (ok, not that obscure) "Wild Goose that Fly with the moon on their wings. These are my favorite things.". In some cases, like the version of "Beautiful Glassbottom Boat", they remove the word 'that' out of the line. Not sure if it was based on a poem in the beginning, though..-- [[Image:merty_sign.gif]]-- ( talk ) 09:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Felix has guesses that one long ago (should be in the archive?) --◄mendel► 09:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * bored enough to try this hmm, Wild geese fly.. Wild geese fly southward without faltering, and so on and so on.. cba to write the rest Kurtan  18:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Incorrect [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wild geese fly overhead/In the wild Autumn weather./Souls of the newly-dead/Crying and flying together.Lurkerabove 20:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Chinese Poetry
No 7. The Scattered Folk Collected Into Villages?--ìğá†ħŕášħ 08:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It could also be:
 * Wild geese fly...
 * And on a warm spring day I could look up in the air

If it's from a song. *Defiant Elements*  +talk  18:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Getting warmer (more obscure), but incorrect. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Forsaking the mists/That rise in the spring,/Wild geese fly off./They have learned to live/In a land without Flowers.Lurkerabove 12:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Incorrect [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe this part is the following ?
 * Wild geese fly overhead
 * In the wild Autumn weather.
 * Souls of the newly-dead
 * Crying and flying together. × GW-Topinambour 14:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, incorrect, that's the third such guess. :\ [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well anyway, don't have the patience to test any of google resuls with such vague indication :D × GW-Topinambour 14:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wild geese fly over head.
 * They wrench my heart.
 * They were our friends in the old days.
 * That? [[Image:Bunneh.jpg]] ~Bunny  03:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It isn't some weird translation of Qiu Hong, or one of those other Autumn Wind poems (don't remember all of their names, but u cant tell me if im really off) or is it

"Far from here the wild geese fly past hate and love and caring In countless graves they nameless lie the long lost sons of Erin The passing years shall not condemn those who those lie beneath the poppy When from the same green slender stem there grew an Easter Lily" Bastthegatekeeper 03:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Curses! what an bad time for me to look at entropy's page and realize i recognize one of the things... /sigh Bastthegatekeeper 15:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations Bunny! You finally got it. Good job. (T/C) 16:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What do I win? [[Image:Bunneh.jpg]] ~Bunny  20:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You've recieved well over 10 pieces of text, deviating from hilarious to weird to intriguing. Check her userpage and ctrl+f Bunny ;) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  20:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Mario Tennis Music
Failed to find the specific mp3, but found the music files as a whole if that counts. 19:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Now I need to find a way to convert those to a more universal format... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * 1. Or just: Use WimAmp. It can convert GBS files to WAV. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  20:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WAV is a hugely inefficient format which takes up gobs and gobs of space. But I can convert WAV to MP3. I wonder if that much conversion will break something. Thanks in any case. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I would've screwed something up trying to convert them. Glad I didn't try. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 00:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think you can lose any quality when you convert from a lossy format to WAV, since uncompressed formats are lossless by default, but you will of course lose a little bit when you compress the WAV to MP3. However, I don't know anything about GBS format - it may be an uncompressed format to begin with, in which case the conversion to WAV should be completely lossless.  And you can always use a lossless compression like FLAC so that you don't lose anything in the (re)compression, either.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 01:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Random note - Vista / Windows Media Player 11 is a bitch to navigate. All I want to do is add .FLAC to the list of extentions WMP can play, but is it easy to do? Nooo.... even though I have the codecs and I can open them manually, it's so annoying. And WMP hates .FLAC anyw ay, causes major errors whenever you try to skip ahead in a track (as if you were on YouTube and video didn't completely load yet). Sux. I just want to listen to Prophecies music, but this makes it so complicated. >.> WinAmp is cool but it's not free if you want conversion utilities...and imho, everything is too small/hard to work with. I had Meridian for .GBS files, but apparently the authors lost the source code so it's broken now. Bah.
 * So - anyone have a free converter for .GBS to .WAV/.MP3? Anyone know how to open that magic window where you can associate extentions with WMP?...I tried to do a reinstall, because that's where you first see it, but apparently it cannot be uninstalled now. :\ [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Videolan VLC Media player ftw? --◄mendel► 10:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi
The theme of your jokes 'n' quotes seems to be god and cigarettes. What are those for anyway?-- (Talk) (Contr.) 02:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You fail(ed) at making new headers at the bottom of the page.
 * I have stuff on a wide variety of topics; if those two seem to be more prominent, then meh. Some of the bit more risque, unfunny, or blatantly offensive I leave out. Anyway, every time someone solves a riddle, I post them something as a kind of reward, because I am too poor to give anything in-game. (except junk. and in any case that's too clumsy system) Should I do something else? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You should stand on your ears!&mdash; Powersurge360  02:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do I look elfin to you? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You should chew through metal and play "Twinkle Twinkle Little Stars" using only a nunchuck and a dish of butter, then post a video of it.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) How should I know if you are elven or not. Someone won't supply the pictures! &mdash; Powersurge360  02:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Pics or it didn't happen? O'rly. How many naturally blonde Asians do you know? ...I thought so. Here is an idea, how about every person still active on GuildWiki post their pics, and then I'll post mine. Or not. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

prO Player:
Is not hard. You should probably exclude that as an option. Entrea   [Talk]  02:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and ` is the odd one out, you don't need to press the shift key to type it.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  02:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Curse you, I figured both those out, but you posted first because I was busy updating armor galleries. >.> &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know about Flux Matrix, but that is not a fair way to solve it so I won't count it. :\ Gj on the `, though. (That's what you get for all work and no play, Doc! :p) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that was a languagist riddle. For me:
 * shifted: & ! ) ' ` _ ( * ? : & " > % $
 * Alt-ed: ~ @ { | }
 * unshifted: # + ´ * < ^
 * + is unshifted for you, too, if you use the one on the numeric keypad.
 * --◄mendel► 10:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No numpad on laptop without using the retarded function key. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Spot the Reference
The Answer (42 obvious HGttG reference) + 4,123,891,318th digit of Pi - grand total of Water and Ghost-type Pokemon over all series (54, unless you're including half water/ghost pokemon) * total health of the Pokey Statue(99,999,999) + Numeric name of a legendary Final Fantasy weapon(2, from Excalibur 2 or Javelin "II" or Tiptaptwo? 7, from Seventh Heaven?  100, from Masamune 100?  Probably none of them...). Raised to the power of the number of candles in the Shadow Queen's lair(6). Divided by the AP cost of Luminaire + Bahamut summon in FFIV (What about it?).

((((((42+PiDigit-54)*99,999,999)+FFWep#)^6)/LuminareAP)+BahamutSummon)

How wrong am I? Too tired to finish, I'll try and finish it tomorrow, unless someone does it for me. --Totally Imbalanced 05:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Correct, no answer, I'll take any Water/Ghost even if it's not pure type, correct (although depends on version, I heard), incorrect weapon but you get the idea, wrong Shadow Queen (iirc), Luminaire is not from Final Fantasy, sum its AP cost with the MP cost of Rydia's Bahamut summon in FFIV.
 * A nice start though. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ((((((42+PiDigit-110)*99,999,999)+FFWep#)^6)/LuminareAP)+60) ... I'm trying to find a way to figure out the Pi one, short of downloading all the digits between 4billion and 5billion and sorting through it ... All I can find on Luminare is it's MP, and I still don't know the FF weapon ... Oh well, I have all day


 * OK, MP cost, I forget sometimes since many different measurements exist. AP, MP, SP, and more weird ones... The FF weapon is obscure because it's from older game. Also I am pretty sure there are more than six candles, otherwise the synchronized "lights out" wouldn't look impressive at all. (like the scene in Kung Fu Panda, if you saw that movie). [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, Luminaire is in Chrono Cross too. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 14:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Such a cool-sounding/looking move, but I tend to use Confuse instead... Does it have a different AP cost in CC as opposed to CT? I've never got my hands on CC yet. For the purposes of this riddle I want the cost in Chrono Trigger. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 17:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The entire skill system in CC is radically different; I don't recall if they even used AP at all. It was a good game as RPGs go, and quite attractive graphically too. Unfortunately, I bought my copy used, and the first disc had a scratch that froze the half-game cinematic. I was SO close to disc 2, but I never got there. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, so maybe I should get PS emulator eventually, as much as I hate them. I feel for you...it's not cool being Error 007'd while fighting Disc of Chaos after slogging through at 60% DP for 2hr. (at Norn: "If you trade hits, you will die." <- sage advice) I've also done some long dungeons in other RPG just to have the game crash because I accidentally touched the Gameboy...or such. :\ I wish all games had "save state" capability like you can do on some emulator, it makes disaster recovery so much easier. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 17:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ((((((42+PiDigit-110)*99,999,999)+FFWep#)^45)/(20+60) ... Is it 45? The scene I was talking about before was when you were actually fighting her in Paper Mario Two.  Still can't find the FF weapon (is it in another language?), and I'm about to resort to downloading the 4,100,000,000th through 4,200,000,000th digits of pi, and just sorting through them.--Totally Imbalanced 20:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, before the fight begins, during the cutscene there should be a whole lot more. Right?...The FF weapon is from an older Final Fantasy but it is in English, though the game is obscure. There are...easier ways to get Pi digits. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

((((((42+7-110)*99,999,999)+7)^Candles)/(20+60) ...Finally found the FF weapon. only missed it before because I was looking at normal FF games, and totally skiped over FF Legend II. Ended up downloading 100mil digits of pi and found 7. Having a hard time with the candles ... My only access to the queen's room is through Youtube videos, and it's hard to get a good count due to fast camera movement and crappy framerate ... Total equation (before Candle input, but whatever); (-6099999932^candles)/80 Someone finish it ... In doing this, I've had to download and sort through 100mil digits of pi, sort through 21 Final Fantasy full item lists, gotten an oddly bad (bad meaning crappy) virus that somehow got through my defenses, and download a new malware program to remove said virus. --Totally Imbalanced 23:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ...Wow! :O For going above and beyond to attempt this mission, I'll give you complementary credits for completion when it is done even if your answer is not correct (have to check it myself). I'm sorry about your computer... >.- To be honest, I am surprised why anyone would bother with such an effort for a little thing like this. I mean, it is rewarding in and of itself (you know more about some of my favorite games, now!), but still...there is no material reward. I guess you people must simply enjoy the challenge. I know that throwing down a challenge can be an effective motivation, but I didn't think it applied here. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 09:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

"(unless caps lock is on)."
Caps doesn't matter for sich thing. Only works with letters ;) Also, I should convince Prog to scrim often again.. 1337 damage shouldn't be too hard? :D --- -- (s)talkpage  07:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I remember a "master caps lock" or such which would lock the entire keyboard to caps. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 12:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sticky Keys? --Totally Imbalanced 21:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Qwyzzle
Entropy, you should become the next author of Qwyzzle, if you've played it, you know what I mean. Here's the link http://home.planet.nl/~Qwyzzle, but the site is down at the moment. Some people are trying to get it back up and running. Himm Taeguk  (T/C) 09:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't have enough dedicated time for such a more serious program, nor do I have the riddles (I'm running short, flying on whim now). But that's an honor to be recommended for the position. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 12:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Out of curiosity
Which college do you go to? Because you said it's in New York, and it would be kind of cool if we were going to the same college.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 15:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Only a one letter difference, I'm afraid. :p Sorry. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 17:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That'd make me lol. --Shadowcrest 21:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

LoZ
Which are in your opinion the top 4 games (this is actually very tough for me). --Shadowcrest 21:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Twilight Princess, Ocarina of Time, Link's Awakening, Oracle of Seasons were my four most favorites, in no particular order. I'd have to say that overall, I would rank Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time as the top two, but can't decide which. Why is that? Well...it's just way, way different playing on console than on little piddly handheld. The experience is so much more immersive.

Oracle of Ages is a good enough game, but the sheer increase in difficulty compared to Oracle of Seasons is really off-putting, since it isn't appreciably more entertaining as a result.

Wind Waker is...different...from other Zelda games. It's a great game, don't get me wrong. But I don't think it is really a fair comparison to any of the others. It definitely earns mad points for hilarity, but that's not all a Zelda game should have.

A Link to the Past is a classic, but at the same time that hinders how I can rate it. It is one of the best Zelda games in terms of completeness and execution, but I've never particularly cared for it as a "fun to play" game.

Minish Cap was a great comeback and a very good game. But it didn't have that same sort of retro, rock'n'roll, good time fun feel that I get from some of the older Zelda handhelds. Kinstone Fusions was BS too.

The original Zelda is a classic in terms of laying groundwork for future games, but unless you are really into retro gaming it can't possibly be considered a great game by today's standards of graphics, music, controls, etc. It's just too old.

Link's Adventure was major lulz ("Link // The time has come // To save -- the Princess Zelda! // ...and now the children don't play..." oh god, that song was so epic, they should have put it in Brawl). Link's Crossbow Training hardly counts as a complete game. Four Swords is a remake of A Link to the Past.

...I could explain more if you wanted. (T/C) 01:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Link Awakening, Link's Awakening, Link's Awakening! (DX) [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, DX indeed. Color Dungeon was fun. And it remixed the original dungeon music! ("Theme of Love" I think it was called?) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Marin was my first video game love. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of the photos are epic lulz too. Link running away from BowWow...the one where Marin lands on you after you fall down the well. Too bad there isn't one for Marin grabbing the Trendy Game Guy. :) Good times...I'm also very fond of Red Clothes + Piece of Power = crazy fast kills on some bosses :) It really was a great game wasn't it. I especially remember using "Magic Powder" to set dogs and chickens on fire. :> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember the screen filled with tall grass right below the shop that you could farm mindlessly for hours? I always did that and bought the Shovel and Bow & Arrows before the first dungeon. Also, monkey glitching. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have missed out on so much by not playing zelda handheld games. I want to cry now. Or go out and but all of them. Either way.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  02:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no reason to but them all now, just download the ROMs. GB and GBC games should be easy to find. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem being that I generally dislike pirating stuff. Old-fashioned of me, I know, but still.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  02:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well in that case, eBay. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I bought mine from eBay. It was uber cheap, so now they must be like $1.00 . My personal favorite bugs were Flying Rooster + Boomerang and...stealing from the shop. "I wasn't kidding when I said to pay! And now you'll pay the ultimate price!" *BZZZZT* "That's a naughty boy, THIEF! Who taught you to look in other people's drawers?" ... one time I started a game using a different name, so in the opening scene it went thus: Tarin: Ho there, Tarin! You're up! How did I know your name? Well...I saw it on the back of this here shield!" ...even though it's not really that funny, I was laughing for hours. And yes, I spent some of my finest Zelda hours farming the bushes. Grass cutting in Link's Awakening puts grass cutting in any other game to shame. :> Except for maybe at the Fish Pond in Twilight Princess, when you run out of Rupees from playing the stupid marble game. :| [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I ask because it was interesting that at Zeldapedia most of the people said Majora's Mask was their favorite, and- since I knew you had played most (if not all) of them- I asked you, and I find even more interesting that you didn't even mention it. I thought people wouldn't think it was a top game just because of how unrelated it is to the rest of the games... at least all the other N64/GC games had a connected storyline. It was fun, yeah, but I didn't think it would be rated top. I never played the Oracle games... my friend Kyle had one of them (I forget which, though I think Seasons) long ago, but I was never interested enough to get it myself. All I really saw was Subrosia, and for some reason I really didn't feel like getting it after seeing it.
 * I don't know which I have in the top four- all I can definitively place are Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. The other 3 I have in consideration are Link to the Past, Majora's Mask, and Wind Waker. I loved playing all of them. The original LoZ was bleh (so I herd Dodongo dislikes smoke, hbu?), and Phantom Hourglass was fun, but it wasn't great (I hated Tetra anyway). I have Link's Awakening (in the Eagle Tower I think it's called), but I haven't touched it in ages. I have Four Swords, but I didn't finish it (and then lost my large GC memory card, so now I can't anyway), but I relatively enjoyed what I did play. I need Minish Cap still, and I agree that Link's Crossbow Training doesn't count. --Shadowcrest 00:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I HATED Majora's Mask! Hated it so much. Having to reset everything every few hours was the most miserable experience of my life. Such a bad game. I never even finished it, I just watched my little brother finish it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 00:04, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See Felix's comment. The game itself isn't inherently bad, but it's just too...un-Zelda. There are fun quirks, of course - no other Zelda game lets you transform into a Deku scrub, Goron, Zora, or the ubercool Fierce Deity Link. Still, those are rather petty consolations for a game that has...


 * Lame-ass music compared to nearly any other Zelda.
 * Incomprehensible storyline and almost no relation to other Zelda games.
 * No Ocarina :\ (iirc)
 * Lack of FUN.
 * Disappointing resolution at the end. Who the hell cares about lonely Skull Kid?
 * Appearance of Tingle. (iirc)
 * Bleh. Anyway - Subrosia is only in Seasons. It's a fun place. I think one thing which really misses for Majora's Mask is that it doesn't feel epic like other Zelda do at times. It feels like "some damn fool crusade", as Obi-Wan would say, for no real purpose. I just have this distinct lack of motivation to ever continue in Majora's Mask. I will concede, though, that the final boss fight is quite a bit more challenging than some others in the series. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ages was the harder one, right? MM has an ocarina; it even changes into pipes, drums, and a guitar. And it had the ballad of the wind fish- I can't tell you how many times I've sang that song in my head. But the Elegy of Emptyness was the most ugly, annoying song... and we had to play it a billion times in that idiotic dungeon. Why isn't it fun? Other than resetting every three days, I liked it a lot. Tingle is lulz (except for when he's a cheap bastard in WW). Tingle Tingle kooloo limPAH! imo. Ganon is always noob, and when I played MM 10 million years ago I *had* to use the FD mask to beat Majora. Also, you forgot that game's severe lack of Zelda. She only appears in a stupid cutscene reteaching forgetful Link the Song of Time. At least nowadays she shoots arrows or uses magic or something. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, a Zelda game without Zelda! How awesome is that? MM is horrible, or maybe I just suck because I can't get past the 3rd dungeon in that game -_-. I happened to enjoy Ages more than Seasons though. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 22:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I liked Ages more too, although that may just be because it was the one I played first. <3 Nayru, <3 Din. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No Magic Boomerang. No Roc's Cape. No Magnet Gloves. Hyper Slingshot >>>> Seed Shooter. "Time Warp" theme isn't as effectively or creatively done as I believe the seasons theme was. I will grant that Veran is a much more fun boss fight since you can actually lose...well, actually, in general the Ages bosses are more challenging and hence more fun. But I still think overall the game isn't as good. Certainly there are more things I would consider "annoying yet necessary" compared to Seasons. I'll also have you know that most of the real Zelda fanbase is deadly allergic to Tingle and it is a good example of Nintendo introducing more gayness to attract more fans. In short, it is disappointing. If there ever was a chance in any game to kill Tingle, I'd do it...There is a fine line between annoying but funny (Mr. Resetti) and annoying without purpose (Tingle). Complete miss... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 09:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

prO Player
"Find a way to deal exactly 1,337 damage in Guild Wars (in one packet), and take a screenshot for proof. Flux Matrix does not count. (Rank 5)"

What about 1337 heal? Dmg is rather undo-able. Prog and I have tried with Wild Blow, a ton of buffs on a Frenzy/Healsig Warrior without Armor, and topped around 700. --- -- (s)talkpage  20:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You just have to use the same (presumable Infuse?) trick with a slight twist. I expect half credit for that comment if someone else uses that before I get a chance.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  22:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ...wouldn't losing 1337 health with infuse work just as well? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh. That's not as fun, though. Either way, it would help if I had a guild with active members so I'd have people to do this kind of thing with.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  01:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wild Blow isn't the strongest damage you could do, though. GB isn't technically "damage", but I might let things like that slide if this proves to be too difficult. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 09:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No, but even 40 armor ignoring damage won't boost damage by 600 :P And, Decap disallows Avatar of Lyssa. We used Wild Blow/AoL because we didn't feel like restarting the whole buffing sequence every swing, just to wait for a crit (we had some Adren skills to charge, so it took a while), and since I was casting Healing Signet as he struck, AoL would deal some bonus damage. Keen Chop didn't exist yet :P
 * D/W vs W/Mo aside: Using my Sin's Scythe, I've hit 191 in one Chilling Victory, not counting additional Cold damage. And that's with Aura of Holy Might, Vow of Strength, Strength of Honor, Asuran Scan and a crit. Sure, it was an AL 60 target, but I doubt you'll be able to increase your damage by 1k by switching to weaker targets. So, GB will probably come into play to deal 1337 damage, but that's so easy. Get a Health Difference of 2674 and cast. One guy with a Vamp weapon would carry GB, and degen low. The other is enchanted beyond recognition, so he has 2700 HP (Symbiosis lols). The GB guy degens to point 26 hp and casts. Done. You can porbably get away with 3 heroes. Monk/Ranger with Symbiosis and Enchants, 3 Monk heroes, one with BR/enches and the rest with: 4 Maintained enches, and random, long lasting enches.
 * Who's up for a scrimmage? ;) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  09:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I can't give any better hint than that. :> GL though, you ought to video it since if you manage 1337 damage it will be quite epic. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha, I need to wait for my new computer if I want to make a video :P My current computer has a slight lagg on screenies, let alone videos ^^" And yeah, there are many means of dealing damage. Siege hits for 8k, but I doubt you can get it to 1337 without burning daylight like mad. Or you could get 6685 HP (enches/Symbiosis again), then drag along Defiant Was Xinrae. 20% is the dmg cap, which is 1337. Spells won't deal enough damage, since you can't buff 'em enough, or they deal damage in many, many packets (old Pain of Disenchant was fun. Prog and I loaded up the Guild Lord with ~30 enches, then PoD and Gaze of Contempt. Was quite an awesome sight to behold, but the Amu of Protection kept him from dieing). At least, I think so. Anyways, there's, so far, 3 ways from my view: Infuse (Easy as pie), Grenth's Balance (requires another player and some coordination), Siege (hard numbercrunshing, need exactly 6685 hp). Well, and Flux ofcourse, but that one's excluded. Maybe I can find an Undead creature, low level with Frenzy. JI + AoHM + Vos +etcetc = gg? Brb, looking through bestiary... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  10:46, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * /facepalm. Hellhound. Brb, chopping Undead :D --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  10:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Bah, way to much micro with heroes... Still,


 * Got me a neat 602 shot (^not on one character, ofcourse.. I needed a Monk). Could be a lot higher, since I have r1 Kurz (used Kurz AoHM) and r0 Asuran, didn't use Weaken Armor, Anthem of Envy and whatever other buffs. Orders won't function with the Holy dmg, btw. I should grind some Asuran rank for better shots, and perhaps get r3 Kurz or something. And need a second player (Great Dwarf Weapon ftfw). Ooooh, and "By Ural's Hammer!". --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  11:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * you need a second player viper? unless you find someone else i can assist you. <font color="FFOOFF">Kurtan 12:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Get 1337 + ~50 health with symbiosis, etc, and let shadow form fall off. That counts as damage.  --Neutronium 06:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really :P Shadow Form "damage" is actually life loss. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  07:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll show you the two easy ways...first, you can use Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support. Second, you can get owned by N.O.X. with a crazy number of bit golems active. I was getting damages easily over 1,000. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought we had to deal exactly 1337 damage? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  11:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That whole N.O.X. fight was pretty funny, because we coincidentally brought a stunning strike paragon. He never got a single attack off.  It was plain ridiculous. --Neutronium 22:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you grind numbers exactly perfectly, you could theoretically deal 1337 damage with Sniper Support, and N.O.X. could hit you for 1337 damage. I only said "find a way to deal 1337 damage other than Flux Matrix"; I didn't say that the player had to be the one doing it. Don't forget that Simple Thievery used to be able to steal Monster skills, too. :> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I thought the idea was to find a way to "deal" 1337 damage - I take that to mean that an infuse wouldn't count... I suppose you could count GB, but that seems really hard to do (and also a little bit like cheating). For the record: We came so damn close just today without using either aforementioned tactic.  I'm sure it's do-able!  Just have to find the right combo :P --Raj4h 00:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, nice job. What was your strategy? I'll give a bigger reward for less cheap ways to do it, though like I said I'll allow any of the above. Anything except Flux Matrix. You can do Infuse or GB even though they aren't really "damage", since it is still a leet achievement. But it's less impressive. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It was a guild scrimmage, using lightning orb @ 18 air magic vs an unarmored opponent with frenzy/heal sig. A guildie and I were attempting to get the biggest damage packet ever (without GB or infuse), and it just happened to work out - almost!  Our biggest packet so far is 2403.  Expect an update on that soon though --Raj4h 07:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I better be quick getting Prog to scrim and numbercrush a bit ;) Nice shots, I say. Too bad you couldn't see what was happening, tho. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  14:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I am surprised that it did so much damage, Lightning Orb in PvP doens't cause Cracked Armor... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * ^My thoughts, but not about the CA. CA doesn't work when your AL is below 60, assuming lv20. I don't know how CA functions when your AL and level are below max, though. Weaken Armor casting Devourers really feels redundant in Old Ascalon ;) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  12:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I had forgotten that. But you just gave a new idea for a possible anomaly. Easy way to test would be a lv1 Canthan War, unarmored, use Tomes to get Frenzy and Healsig, go scrimmage. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * According to my calculations, if you have a player who has -40 armor from Healsig, and is under Frenzy, and you have Rank 16 attribute, and you are Level 20, and you have no armor penetration...you have to deal roughly 78 base damage to reach 1337 damage. I am sure there are a bunch of skills for that. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A quick google search reveals a good skill for that purpose. Or two others to tweak the damage by one point either way. And two more to tweak the final damage.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  23:41, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Something seems to be wrong with my calculations or the template. Will debug later. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

call_out("replace_favicon", 1);
Does anyone know how to override the favicon on GW2W? I'm feeling anarchistic so I want to change it to the GuildWiki Swords and Shields logo. L: I think ANet locked it against simple .JS hacks though...I'm running the same .JS on both sites but it does not work over there. Perhaps it's because the image isn't on the ANet servers, but the Wikia ones? I couldn't upload it over there, either, because that would be a major copyvio. I suppose I could render my own from GW itself...hm... (T/C) 12:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Shop the swords out and put other swords in, like Longswords. Then disguise it as a screenshot edited with Photosoup :D --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  12:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So are you saying that is the problem? That I need to target an image on ANet's servers instead of Wikia's? I could probably choose something else... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Copyvio is not an issue. The icons were made by LordBiro under GDFL, so you'd be fine porting them over.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  02:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Orite. :\ [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

disable interwiki link
So there is this page on GW2W which is an interwiki link: Gw1:Guild_Wars_Utopia. It transfers to that page on GWW. But, when that page is linked to via their Candidates for Deletion, it says that the link is invalid or broken. However if I just go there directly it seems to work fine and I get transferred...

Now the problem is that I want to delete that page on GW2W (obviously - it's in Candidates for Deletion!), but I don't know how to access such a page and disable the redirecting or whatever is used to transfer me. &redirect=no does nothing. Any ideas?

By the way, reason I ask these things here and not on GW2W is because I can probably get a response here quicker :> (T/C) 21:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Try this. I get a permission error because I'm not an admin, but it might work for you.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 21:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See Guild Wars 2 Wiki talk:List of candidates for deletion; it's already been discussed before. Also, Wizardboy, that link leads to the Index.php page. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  22:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This different layout takes some getting used to. Thank you. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:Non-orphaned articles
Why'd you change that instead of making the category and subpage for it? It's not hard. --◄mendel► 10:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how the system works. Feel free to do it properly...all I know is that there's this subpage which shouldn't be messed with or linked to (if I understand the arguments right), and therefore it becomes an orphaned page, except it's not really because it's a subpage and it ought not to be considered possible deletion fodder, etc...? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm going to try to explain this clearly, and if I succeed (with your help) I can copy this to the article.
 * Orphaned pages are pages that are not linked to. This is usually an indication that they're not integrated into the wiki very well, and the way to fix it is to integrate them: think about which pages could link to it, do a wiki search for the article name, whatever it takes.
 * However, there are some exceptions. For example, we endeavour to not link to disambiguation articles, but rather link directly to the intended alternative. This can leave disambiguation pages orphaned, and that is a good thing.
 * Another common exception are pages that are transcluded onto other pages; they're usually subpages. You can link to them (some of them make good QR guides), but they're useful even if they're not linked to, and there may be no need to link them.
 * We want to remove these pages from the "orphaned pages" list so that we see more clearly which pages really need editorial attention. The idea is to create a link somewhere to make the wiki software think that the page is not lonely any more. The easiest way is to collect all those links in a special article. (Another way would be to maka a link on the including page and disguise it with display:none, which is simple if you do the inclusion via template anyway, but we currently don't do that.)
 * However, what with this wiki being quite large and transclusion being used so often, this special article got rather big and unwieldy. Many pages on that big article belonged to categories that should, as a whole, never be on the "orphaned pages" list: for example, the disambiguation pages; or all pages in one of the "subpage" categories. This offered an obvious course of action: split subpages off, one for each category. For example, the subpage Non-orphaned_articles/Disambiguation has a link to every disambiguation page. What's more, this is done automatically. If you make a new disambiguation page and place it in Category:Disambiguation (which the does for you), it will automatically appear on the list (there may be a short delay if the Wiki is busy). Of course that also happens when you add an appropriate category manually.
 * To summarize: the old procedure to make a page non-orphaned is to put a link to it on Non-orphaned_articles. (That still works, too!) The new procedure is to add the page to a category that is automatically non-orphaned.
 * If you find that you want to unorphan a page, but there is no proper category for it, the you can create one - maybe it already exists. To unorphan a category, you make a subpage off Non-orphaned_articles like the others and put the same template call on it. The template will read the subpage name and automatically make a link list for the corresponding category.
 * Pages that can't be categorized, but still ought to be taken off the orphaned pages list, can still be linked to from the article (old system) - or we create a Category:non-orphaned pages and its automatic list subpage and put all of these lonely pages in there (new system).
 * So that's basically what I suggested you might have done. ;-P --◄mendel► 17:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * So I put it in the subpages category - isn't that the right thing to do? I can remove the notice I put at the top if that is a problem. I think your explanation is a good one to put to the page, although not everyone would understand necessarily the technical parts. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you be so kind and make the "technical parts" bold or italic in my post above? --◄mendel► 09:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Jargon and/or things that someone new to Wikis may not understand. What do you want ME to do, though, is still my question. Your original message implies that I did something wrong, but reading through your instructions all I done was categorize the old birthday drop data as a subpage, which puts it into the non-orphans article, etc. So I am confused. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the highlights, I'm going to ponder them.
 * My reason for commenting was that, going by your first edit, that category seemed the natural fit for the page. I've considered "category:subpages" to only apply to pages that actually get transcluded; this one's a "legacy page" or archive if anything. Of course, technically subpages are anything with a slash in the name. You chose not to create the category & list page as I would have, but instead chose to recategorize, and I wondered why. My comment wasn't meant as a call to action.
 * But since you asked, what I would like you to do is the next time you want to use this category, to actually create it, and add the old birthday drop page in. (Hmm, maybe a better way to un-orphan the old birthday page is to actually add a link to the new page or its talk to point out that the history of the old additions is available at (link) - it doesn't help having an archive if we can't find it later). --◄mendel► 11:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. I was unclear about what should have gone into the Subpages category, since I was under the impression as you say that anything with a slash in the name was a subpage. And because this seemed to be the only "legacy page", I thought it would be dumb to make a category with just that one thing in it. (Also, Template:Legacy is for GuildWars related things, not old Wiki articles.) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:41, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

hey
You probably know about this already, but if you didn't, here is the best VC release to date :). Cress Arvein 00:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have Clu Clu land! <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  05:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I did hear about it. Here is my reaction: O HEL YES!! But screw you, Nintendo, that took forever. :\ Oh well, at least one of the greatest games of all time will finally be available to a new generation of players. Now about EarthBound and Chrono Trigger... :\ [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There was a massive rally for EarthBound's VC release a week ago. Don't count on Chrono Trigger being released anytime soon due to Chrono Trigger DS coming out soon. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 05:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well...it's not like Nintendo gives a flying fuck at a rolling donut about its hardcore fans anyway. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Me wants Banjo-Tooie :( --Macros 13:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I loath you, Cress. You got the Mario RPG song stuck in my head.. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 22:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to me like if you can get a working ROM for a game, Nintendo should be able to make something to the Virtual Console. I guess it must be more difficult than that, though. Since theoretically, there are hundreds or thousands of games more they could put in, but they don't. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:41, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * They should add GBC games imo. Oracles and Pokemon anyone? [[Image:Bunneh.jpg]] ~Bunny  16:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * /signed. Especially since you can't play GBC games on a DS. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 16:26, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't you put them in the bottom slot where GBA games go? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  18:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I guess not. That's lame. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  18:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

random Note here so people will read it soonish
Don't forget that all the R.O.X., P.O.X., and N.O.X. skills need to be added to Monster Skill. (T/C) 16:13, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * R.O.X. don't have none. :P That article needs to be overhauled anyway - turn it into a quick-reference style page, or maybe a DPL.  Why wasn't it done that way in the first place, I wonder?  I'll add that to my list of projects.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * R.O.X. has Golem Strike but that is already on the page. However I didn't check whether or not it is identical to the normal version. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 16:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ROX's Golem Strike is the same, yes. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A quick reference would be something like Icon-Name-Effect-Skill data-Notes-Used by Whom-Can be Disabled? I think the reason it wasn't done like that in the first place, is because they aren't skills that can be used by players so it's not the sort of info/page that someone would come to look at. (Ie. you don't make builds with Monster skills) Also, it was started during Prophecies when there was precious few Monster skills. With each campaign they added some more, and GWEN added a HUGE amount. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 16:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got a mockup ready at User:Dr ishmael/Sandbox/Monster skills dpl, let me know what you think. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good job on fixing all those monster skills without callthrough, I thought I'd already done that. :-( The big drawback of this list vs. the current one is that it lacks a "used by" column, we'd need some creative dump parsing to do that automatcially. Anyway, I'd prefer bigger icons, say 35 or 40 px. And why not use our standard QR format? I've got a mockup ready at User:M.mendel/Sandbox/Monster skills dpl, let me know what you think. ;) --◄mendel► 19:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't use the standard because this is going to need an extra column or two - "Used by" at least, and maybe "Disable-able" (needs a better name of course, but would require testing against every single monster skill).  The duplicate and quest boxes (next to the campaign box, under the stats box) are also completely useless for this list.  For "Used by", I was going to go through and add that to all the skill templates as a new parameter, wouldn't be all that hard - there's only 222 of them...  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 00:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * About icon size: this is going to be one of the longest skill qr articles we've got, except for the "<Profession> skills quick references", we should probably stick with the smaller icon size. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 00:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * With the added columns, the length will be determined by the descriptions column on most screen sizes, not by the icons. At the size they ra enow, you could replace them with generic reddish and yellowish squares and no-one woul notice. If you roll your own QR, I'd just not display any of the generic monster icons. If the "disable-able" affects only very few skills, wouldn't a separate QR be better? What about "stealable"? The used-by means another parse through the current_pages.xml . --◄mendel► 01:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No Monster skill can be stolen since they fixed the Simple Thievery (?) glitch, but I think the disabling column isn't rally needed.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  01:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No dump parsing required, I already got the list I need right here.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 03:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The Disable or Interrupt-Resistant column ought to exist, and it can be a simple check or X. I believe it is important when planning strategies for harder missions and quests. For example, you can use Diversion to totally pwn any Siege Wurm type monster. But Shiro Tagachi won't be affected. What about N.O.X.? I had a great idea where you could do an epic echo chain of Blackouts to keep him permanently locked down. But I don't know if that works. Etc... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Now ZAT!! was Doktor assisted homicide! I prefer the Doc's version, though of course it is still bit messy. The spacing for Effects needs to be standard (ie straight tabbed colums so Adren, Acti, Eng, etc. all line up in same horizontal position down the column). I agree with Mendel that the icons ought to be bigger. I am also wondering what would be the best way to sort...ABC by skill name? Monster used? Campaign? Allied or foe? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Stats width corrected - I missed where I had to assign class="stats" to the td that contained the class="skillstats" table (copying from other qr row templates). I bumped the icons up to 32px.  The default sort for DPL is by article name, and the sortable table allows you to re-sort on any column you want - of course, if you think the default DPL sort should be different, there's a couple options available for doing that, but not much.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Coolness. Did you ever notice that no Monster Skills do Health Sacrifice? I think it looks pretty good as is...now that I think about it, most people would logically sort by ABC skillname. Thanks Doc - and that only took you what, a few minutes? :p It's the Machine Revolution taking over! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Except Animate Undead. Which isn't on that list, evidently?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  02:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) That's because the job queue still kinda sucks at the timely re-processing of pages that include templates after the template is modified. I did a null edit on Animate Undead, and now it shows up in the list. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 03:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was because the template had "no profession" instead of "Profession:Monster" until I fixed it shortly after that post.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  02:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be prO to take /Monster secondary? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It would indeed.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  03:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Final(?) version
I'm done adding the mosterusedby parm to all the templates, so this table is now fully populated. I didn't include anything on disabling/interrupting right now, because I don't know any easy way to compile that information. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 18:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool. :) For disabling/interrupting...well, that would have to all be done manually, testing with Diversion and a hard interrupt etc. Some are already known as being a yes, no, or interrupt-resistant, usually noted on those pages. Others have never been tested. Some which have crazy recharge or activation (Knock, Metamorphosis, etc) don't need to be tested because it is irrelevant. Instant activation or permanent skills are also irrelevant, except maybe for disable...I guess it could be a project to work on over time, as it would comprise research in all four campaigns across all three continents, from the beginning of the game all the way to elite missions. Hehe. And of course some PvP. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I can go ahead and put the columns into the template for those, and then you or whoever can add the parameters to the individual skill templates as the research gets compiled. Blanks will be displayed for any skills that don't have the parameters, of course.
 * Should this be moved into mainspace now/soon? Should it just replace the current tables on the Monster skill article?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I vote replace the current table since it is just miles better and more up-to-date too. Put a notice with instructions on the page for people to add in info for interrupt/disable as they see fit, to each monster skillpage. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Random woohoo
Tom Brady is injured and out for the SEASON with a torn ACL! WOOHOO! --Gimmethegepgun 01:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WOOHOO! Now to wait until Brett Favre gets hurt. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 02:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * WOOHOO!--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ 03:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So I assume you're a Jets fan then? If he gets injured, then he's not gonna be throwing his massive number of interceptions to the opposing team any more. Otherwise, if you're not a Jets fan, I think you should reconsider and hope he stays healthy again :P --Gimmethegepgun 03:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

HALP
My favicon is acting like a paint shaker gone berserk ( Spot the reference ), when I am on a "special" page like my Watchlist or Recent Changes it is the GuildWiki logo like I have specified in my .JS ... but when I am on any other kind of page it reverts to the Wicked Wikia W. Why now? :((((((  (T/C) 04:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I highly suspect it's because Wiki has turned on the URL rewriting Javascript that is to compensate for redirect URLs not changing to the new page. Why am I not surprised the first version is buggy? See w:Forum:Redirects. I wish Dr Ishmael would develop soem combat code that allows us to disable some of teh Wikia Javascript functions (the one that fills the searchbox would be another contender). --◄mendel► 04:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A Javascript war with Wikia? Epic... :\ Well, at least this is better than simple "doesn't work anymore". In her left hand, she held the Light of Hope, and in her right the Sword of Mana. (Spot the reference!) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:51, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sword of Mana, I fucking love that game.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ 04:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a so-so game, but I am highly biased because I played the REAL Sword of Mana, aka Final Fantasy Adventure. Old skool. Now, THAT was a great game for its day. I still personally find it much more enjoyable. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Using firefox and monobook and having no changes to my .js or .css regarding the favicon whatsoever, I have the guildwiki logo everywhere.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 05:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh. IE is fecked up, then. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I see it in FX3 with Monobook. Wizardboy, it only does this for redirects with anchors, like Travel quest.  Check that and see what happens.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 05:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just had an EVIL idea. What if we went and took out the Wicked Wikia W altogether? ...or is that file not accessible by us? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

another random callout
I need a PvPer to help me reach HA someday. Anyone? No one would take a PvE player at Team Arenas, and trying to win there with a P.U.G. is dumb. (T/C) 15:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean, get 5 wins in TA? That's easy if you know the lame meta. Usually it's just 2 back/midliners, some physical that just c-spaces everything to tiny bits and one other, which can be just about anything... However, if you don't want to run lame crap, I wish you a lot of good luck to get 5 bad teams ;) Although there are some times where TA is deserted, which means you'll find quite a lot of RA teams. Easy wins are rather easy <3 If I misunderstood what you said: My apologies. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I've not been doing much PvP either, so I guess I would join you if you'd like. --◄mendel► 17:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you see me on, I can monk (or do whatever, if you don't need a monk). And if anyone else in my guild is on I could probably drag them along.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 18:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Warwick said she would help too. So it looks like we have a team :P [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't take Warwick, she abuses TA monks. 208.44.247.101 01:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Shadowcrest will volunteer if warwick is rejected :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  01:30, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I can (in order of effectiveness) Mes, Cripslash, or monk if you need any of those. If you want me to run a dom build though, you need to let me know in advance so I can warm up my reflexes before the match. &mdash; Powersurge360  02:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I can (in order of effectiveness) kill or heal. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Too late - jio, dejh, and I helped her out with epic triple hammerway.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 02:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Wizardboy happens to actually be in my timezone now and so he was the only one online. But thanks anyways to others. I am surprised at so many offers! We were running a pretty terribad build which was...amusing to lose to. Took out a few pseudo balanced teams, lost to duo monks and Hexway...but we got exactly five wins. So it was okay.
 * Now if someone can teach me how to play balanced, I can participate in HoH runs or such. :> Probably the only build I could even try to run is R/Mo Cripshot with Mending Touch, since I have a little experience with that. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Interestingly, you don't need five consecutive wins... just five wins over the course of your entire life. 04:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Kay-o. I'm just saying it was coincidence that after the match which unlocked HA (5th win), we lose to Hexway which was a perfect counter so to speak. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:13, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, Felix, I strongly recall you need 5 consecs. Ah well, doesn't really matter. Congrats Entropy :) And if you want to get to HoH, you probably won't play balanced a lot, until you're at least r6+. You'll rarely find a worthy <r6 Balanced group, let alone reach HoH with it ^^' Well, unless you find an HA guild that doesn't discriminate, that is. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  14:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 5 (10?) consecs for RA...I forgot about the whole "guild" thing, I was hoping maybe I could just run with some of you dudes after practicing a bit. Heh. Too bad I can't do full H/H in HoH. (Why is it called the Hall of Heroes then?) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * For HA it's five over your career as a PvP player. For TA it's a streak. &mdash; Powersurge360  03:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe those are mutually exclusive conclusions. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he meant HA for the first one. It's definitely five ever (not necessarily consec) to unlock HA, because we only got four consecutive wins last night, not five - we didn't get a glad point :(  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 03:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, lapsis linguae, I was thinking about the end of my sentence at the beginning of the sentence. Fixed now. &mdash; Powersurge360  03:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never played TA before...? How did I get 5 wins? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:02, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you get one with an RA team, maybe? But I distinctly remember a conversation along the lines of the following:

Lana Irving: HA unlocked Nyzant Kreng: We should try to win this one too for a glad point Anjiru Kuro: Gogo one more for a style point Nyzant Kreng: That too Lana Irving: What are style points? Pie Wizardboy: Not in-game :P Nyzant Kreng: oh crap, hexway. We're screwed
 *  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 04:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So what are glad points? :p I thought we had hit 5 wins right there when I said that. I know that I got to TA on a streak with an RA team which was a PvP monk, me as W/N with Plague Touch and Parasitic Bond, and two other...but I don't remember getting a win there. Hmm, I guess that must be what happened then. Oh well. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

"Which is more famous?"
I voted LAME. It's been around longer, and has been used way more.-- (Talk) (Contr.) 02:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd vote for LAME, but for some reason FF isn't letting me. Guess I'll try with... *shudder* IE --Gimmethegepgun 02:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, IE failed at it too, so count that as +1 on LAME. Also for some reason it's spamming up this annoying script error thing involving a null somewhere --Gimmethegepgun 02:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Votingphail causes me to say LAME, despite it's recent dormancy compared to INAFR.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  02:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Because Izzy has lately been giving out more serious buffs than nerfs, I guess that would be why. Usually every time there is a giant skills update change, there would be a few LAMEs. Although I think about 1/2 are placed by me...INAFR though is on its way up because it's much easier to work into any conversation. 6/10, 6/10, better luck next time! Spot the reference. See, easy. Anyway I am amused and appreciative that people would vote so...it makes me feel like I've been useful for at least one thing for sure at GuildWiki. :> Of course even though I made the template (with some help and guidance from other users), the actual acronym LAME was invented by User:Queen Schmuck, who I doubt anyone remembers.
 * I think a book about the history of GuildWiki would be cool. LAME and INAFR would definitely get their own chapters, or at least appendices. I'd consider writing it someday but it is beyond my own personal experiences... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't vote - weird <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  05:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Known bug, on the wikia board. Btw, archive moar, my school computer is lagging. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  14:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * But I'm only to 76kb. It's all the same to you, my friend...I think it's all because of you! Do GuildWiki at home, and study at school :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, Wikia is secretly trying to repress the spread of God's Will democracy! Conspiracy! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And on the 16th day of the history of the universe, God turned to the Angel Gabriel and spoke: "Ya know what this place needs?  Music, give me your horn."
 * And on the 17th day of the history of the universe God spoke to the Angel Gabriel: "Where did all these people come from?"
 * And on the 18th day of the history of the universe God went fishing.
 * CENSOR THAT WIKIA!--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ 01:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Study during programming 2? We did in a day what would take us a week in programming 1, and then we had nothing to do for a day. It was quite lulz, and my teacher doesn't want to speed up the curriculum too much. I'm even contemplating designing a sig on photoshop at school, because the computers have photoshop2 :P
 * Oh, and since I can't vote, LAME. And my home computer is lagging. Badly. I have to type 1 character at a time :P
 * Stop ec'ing me. Moving my cursor by clicking causes the page to stop responding. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  01:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of my favorite comics are "Acts of God", "Half-Baked Earth", God saying "Man, these things sure are easy" while making snakes out of the "clay of life", etc. Gary Larson and The Far Side rule. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually made up te 18 days of the history of the universe at one point. I did not win the school talent contest with it because I was DQed for blasphemy (fail Utah, fail), but I did make the entire school laugh so hard the majority of them needed to find a small empty corner off somewhere to recover.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ  02:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL! Post to Wiki if you still have it...or even better, YouTube. :D Hey! We ought to have a GuildWiki Talent Contest! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have it still somewhere, however I cannot post a video because my sister wandered off to college with our camera.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ 02:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Lulz, I have Adobe CS3 on my laptop. Cost a fortune though, and technically can't use it after school ends :\ I prefer Paint for making most simple things, it's more leet. I guess it depends on how complicated you wanna be...when you have, say, a sig which is already a computer graphic you can easily resize that with any number of programs. If you are using a digital photo (like my sig) you need to crop, clean up noise and edges, clarify text, adjust levels, etc... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In RIT's game design and development lab, the image they use on the computers is 70 gigabytes. Vista is like 15 gigs, while adobe stuff takes up a whopping 35 gigs xD Also, we have 60 xbox 360's hooked up to the same gigabit LAN. Which creates some interesting possibilites, considering the number of copies of halo 3 we have in the stock room.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 04:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, I am using 117 gigs out of 150. And I have cleaned up as much as I can :\ I know a transfer student from RIT...I wonder what it is like over there. Maybe I should visit some day. There are mostly Wii's here at RPI. I wonder why. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey Shadow, stop giving me your lag, I've done a self-EC / double post from 1 click / related thing like 5 times today. That's a record. :\ (T/C) 06:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Quotes
I couldn't help but notice, there's an awful lot of quotes on your userpage. You wouldn't happen to be collecting more, by any chance? I know a few good ones (I've been reading some books of quotes recently), and I probably know a few good story-like quotes (which may or may not be too big to quote). I'd be happy to impart unto you small shards of my glorious intellect and wit, if you so desire. Or better yet, shards of other people's glorious intellect and wit, which I have so gloriously collected due to the scope of my intellect and wit. --<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  08:02, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Put them on your own userpage (or a subpage thereof)? --◄mendel► 14:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You misunderstand, I don't "collect" quotes - I awarded them for completing various tasks and puzzles. I pull all these from one game, which has an ever-useful function called the Fortune command. I still have more to use when I need them. If you want to use your own, I'd suggest doing something similar instead of just posting them, that's no fun. And it creates less spam. :> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat. From the FreeBSD fortune file. It's huge. --◄mendel► 23:24, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Heard it. That's not where I go though.
 * "Flat tire?"
 * "Damn kid had a bottle under his coat."
 * ...yeah. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

so i herd in The Marketplace
ANet has plans for a new Sin hero drawn up. Name is "SPARKS", he has a horse, he can be from the Am Fah or the Jade Brotherhood.

I would say worthless rumour, but considering how suddenly M.O.X. appeared I guess it is not totally infeasible. I guess ANet wants to release more Heroes so there are three of all profession. That means we can expect another Mes, Para, and Rit also. (T/C) 00:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably just a useless rumor. A sin hero on a horse would be stupid, even if they did a sin hero. maybe a Centaur sin. But not a guy on a horse. Hell, does Guild Wars have any horses in any place at all?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  00:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Equine Aegis. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 00:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Stone Summit Beastmaster is the closest thing. Otherwise, Dolyak Prod Staff. :> Maybe it is a Centaur and the person was confused. They said ANet had "drawn" them... I wonder where the info is from, or if it's totally made up. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)