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How do we know this structure is called an "ascension tower" ? --Karlos 06:56, 28 October 2005 (EST)


 * Talk to the Ghostly Hero in Thirsty River. He mentions them building towers to try to reach the gods, misunderstanding what 'Ascension' meant.  He goes on to say they are still standing.  That's the only tower that could qualify as such in the area. No, we don't know an actual name for it since none is given -- but it's a tower and it was an attempt at ascension... (Just go in the TR mission.. it's obviously an important structure... it even makes it in the cutscenes.  I just liked this angle because of the framing.) --Tometheus 07:32, 28 October 2005 (EST)


 * I object to the name. A "Margonite Ascension Tower" is not mentioned anywhere in the game. In addition, we do not know if that specific tower was build by them or the Elonians or the Hetites for that matter. I would call this ruins of an ancient tower in the Crystal Desert. --Karlos 16:32, 28 October 2005 (EST)


 * It's fairly obvious it's Margonite. If you look around the base of it, everything is the typical Margonite ship stuff.  If you look closely at the tower itself, you can see the same ship hull construction as well.  (In fact, it reminds me of a trireme, although on a scale that would make even the Romans blush.)  The thing is so bloody tall that you can even see it from the very spot in Thirsty River where The Ghostly hero tells you about the towers.  You may object to the name, but you can't object to the context.  Find me one other thing that could qualify as the margonite towers he speaks about that we should be able to still see.  --Tometheus 18:48, 28 October 2005 (EST)


 * [[Image:Tower_Trireme.jpg]]


 * Ok, it looks Margonite. I still object to labeling it an "Ascension Tower." --Karlos 20:51, 28 October 2005 (EST)


 * I assume you're not objecting to the word 'tower'. So, we have a 'Margonite' structure that is the tallest Margonite structure that can be found in the game.  The Ghostly Hero tells us about Margonites building 'towers' that 'remain standing to this day'.  One can even see this very structure from the spot while talking to him.  Unless you can find a taller Margonite structure, it seems clear that this is one of the 'towers' of which he speaks.  Ergo, 'Margonite tower'.  He tells us that these towers were used 'hoping to climb into the heavens', which they incorrectly believed was an 'earthly way to reach Ascension'.  It's further evident that this 'tower' is associated with Ascension because at its very base is the Rune Circle, where you will be 'cleansed of your earthly sins in preparation of your being gazed upon by the gods'.  (It even forms part of a ring of structures they built around the Rune Circle, just in case we might have thought it was a random structure that just happened to be near the Circle.)  Therefore, it is a 'Margonite tower' associated with their belief in earthly means to Ascension.  What would you have named it?




 * As a side-note, looking at the tower complex, you can see the right subtower is one ship-height, the left one is two ship-heights and the central one is three ship-heights. If they used the dimensions of the Roman triremes (up to 45m long), that would put the central tower roughly 135m tall, or almost as tall as the Great Pyramid (153m).  (This tower complex even satisfies the plural on 'towers' in his statement, since there are actually 3 towers grouped together there, each progrssively higher.  One wonders if there might be remains of a 4 ship-height tower fallen / unraised near the base of it. Unfortunately I haven't found a way to get around behind it in the mission to take a look.)


 * Ok, now I know you are reading waaaay too much into this. We do not know any of what you just surmised, assumed and presumed. This is not a fan site where fan theories about what things are and what was meant are posted, this is an encyclopedia of information about the game. So, there are giant Margonite structures all over the map, there are also misplaced structures (the Elona Reach mission has the giant Sail which is the trademark of the margonites smack dab in the middle of the Elona mission). Maybe those ginat sail structures are the "Margonite Ascension Towers."
 * That note about the Great Pyramid is THE definition of reading WAAAY too much into this. Here, check out this number with regards to the height of the Great Pyramid. It's not an exact number, it's not written in stone. I don't think the developers at Arena Net put in as much depth into that pile of wood as you did. :) --Karlos 14:46, 30 October 2005 (EST)


 * Now you're reading way too much into it. I just brought up the Great Pyramid for a comparison of the size, in real world terms, not that they did it intentionally.  I was just trying to impress on you that they're not short.  There wasn't a lot of conjecture involved, I thought it was fairly obvious what it was from the CONTEXT.  Some NPC tells me abut some towers that are still standing, I see the tallest tower around and add 2+2.  That they show up in all of the cutscenes for the same mission that he's also telling you about, just re-enforced it.  He doesn't talk about Crystal Shards or Temples of Ascension in Thirsty River, so why should we try to go looking for these towers in a mission where he doesn't mention them?  CONTEXT.  Whatever.  I give up.  Name them whatever the heck you want.  Or delete the image entirely.. ANet thinks it's interesting / important enough to do a pan down it in a cutscene while an NPC is telling you lore about Ascension, but you know better.  I'm going back to playing the game.  --Tometheus 17:01, 30 October 2005 (EST)


 * You have not answered my point about the giant Sails. Why not them? The Camera pans by them while the Ghost is talking in the Elona Reach mission, they are obvious sails and they are outside of the Thirsty River mission location, I think two of them. Why not them? --Karlos 21:22, 30 October 2005 (EST)