Talk:Warden

Do Wardens count as Plants? I think I heard/read that somewhere. Anybody know for sure?


 * I doubt it. The manual says they may have once been human. Still, a test with the much-dreaded (weapon of pruning) can easily answer that. --Karlos 10:32, 18 June 2006 (CDT)

Ugh..
They only have 7 professions. Where is the Maddened Bone Warden? Or the Warden of Carcasses??!! :) --Karlos 23:39, 21 June 2006 (CDT)

No Monks?
The warden page lists "There are no Monk or Necromancer Wardens in the game so far. However, the Ritualist Wardens provide some healing support." However I linked here from Jayne Forestlight's page and he is a Boss Monk and a Warden. Should this page be changed? --Mcbain68 11:25, 22 June 2006 (EST)
 * It is generally well known that the bosses of each species don't follow the overall profession scheme of the species. So I think the note is okay. Feel free to add a ".... (except bosses)" for clarity. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 00:52, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

Madden
Somehow I still like the old look of the splitted table better... could be just a subjective bias though. - 22:07, 22 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Why do you like the old split better? The reason I merged them is that the old table implied that the maddened wardens and the wardens were somehow different. This is not true, all the wardens have been corrupted by Urgoz' influence. And since they are wardens like all other wardens, I didn't understand why we had them in a separate table. --Karlos 00:10, 23 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Ok, I think your questions helped me figure out what I don't like about it.
 * 1. For the splitted tables, each table simply displays the links by the "keyword", with "Warden of " and "Maddened Warden", and it was short and sweet.
 * 2. The two groups don't mix. Their different naming convention give an implication that the two groups are of different hierarchical systems.  They may all be followers of Urgoz (or all be corrupted by Urgoz), but it doesn't feel like they belong to the same force/army.  One group is like close guards of Urgoz, the other group feels pretty independent (despite who ultimately is their leader).  And you might think I'm being too literal/picky with words/semantics again, but just because they are all corrupted by Urgoz, doesn't necessarily mean they are all mad.
 * It might help the discussion greatly if in-game text that describes Urgoz's background/history were somewhere on the wiki. - 04:23, 23 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I think your analysis is flawed in a few ways:
 * a) The Wardens are attacking humans all across the forest and Urgoz is blamed for that.
 * b) The Dredge in the Warren are "maddened" too, and we know the Dredge do not serve Urgoz, in fact, we know from the Temple of the Dredge quest that the Wardens attack the Dredge and harrass them like all other "intruders" in their forest.
 * --Karlos 05:37, 23 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I wasn't trying to imply "maddened" creatures are all of the same group/force/army. I was trying to argue that the existence of "Maddened blah Warden" implies "Warden of Blah" are not maddened, merely corrupted.  And I think those who are mad and those who are not mad could be considered different forces/groups/armies, especially when their units never mix.  Besides, we can blame Morgoth (sp?) for Feanor's (sp?) "corruption", even though Feanor doesn't fight for Morgoth. - 05:47, 23 June 2006 (CDT)