Talk:General guide to RA

If you have something useful to say that will help this article, please do add the suggestions here or just edit the article yourself. If you are here to say "RA is not real PvP, you should go to HA or GvG" then please allow me to point you in the direction of Guild Wars Guru, where you belong. VegaObscura 19:30, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

It is totally possible to enter RA with a team if you know how to do it. Random Arena article used to list it as an exploit, I think. Also I am curious why we need a guide to RA, everyone knows it's joke PvP... :S A generic "guide to PvP" would be better, imho. (T/C) 19:15, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes it is possible to enter RA with a team, but almost no one does it. RA is not joke PvP, it is the highest level of PvP you can perform without having to assemble a team.  If I'm not mistaken there is already a guide to PvP, and regardless RA has some special things that should be noted.  It is true that winning in RA is mostly up to luck giving you good or bad allies, but adding an article should raise the level of RA players by at least a little.  Whenever I see an inexperienced player in RA I take it upon myself to take them aside, and help them.  This usually consists if taking them out to the Isle of the Nameless and having them attempt to fight the masters to find that they are weaker than an NPC. VegaObscura 19:30, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmm "weaker than an NPC" well they only need to do PvE to know that, NPCs pwn most human players at higher levels (thinking DoA etc here). But anyway RA is joke PvP, you can win glad points with Echo Mending. It isn't random and in fact quite a few people do assemble teams - when I enter and the next five teams are all SS Ele, ZB Monk, Impaler Sin, and Dragon Slash Warriors, I think that means something. :\ Moreover I don't see how not being able to assemble a team makes RA better than GvG or anything. You forget that the enemy can assemble a team as well - leading to much stronger opponents with actual tactics and such. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:40, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * You can win glad points, but your number of glad points will vastly drop. I'm willing to bet you don't have many glad points do you?  Less than 50 undoubtably.  Not being able to assemble a team is not a good thing, it is just a good way to save time.  Also PVE is totally different from PVP, and people almost never use the same builds in PVE that they would in PVP.  In the isle of the nameless, you take your PVP build and make sure that it can kill a player.  And I think you just assume that the enemy team is set up because they are relatively balanced. VegaObscura 19:46, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * What does me having glad points have to do with anything? The point is that anything works in RA, which makes it a silly form of PvP entirely based on luck of the draw - not skill. "Saving time" is also not a reason that RA is better. Do you prefer quantity PvP to quality PvP? Testing against the Masters on Isle of the Nameless is not a great way to test if a build can kill a player. You know every skill they have and so can design a build specifically to counter them; all of the Masters have very focused, specialized builds, unlike what you would expect in most RA builds (flexibility, reliable self-heal, condition removal, hex removal/counters). Masters all have particular behavior patterns - for example the Survivor one does little but kite, the Healer one does nothing but heal, etc. Unless a PvP build can take on almost all the Masters, it's not really a great test. (Exceptions to solely anti-caster or anti-melee builds, of course...) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:54, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * No anything does not work in RA. The fact that you have that view and few gladiator points shows that.  It is true that the masters have very specialized builds.  As I mentioned in the article, the key to winning in RA is to be able to solo a healer.  The master of healing specializes in healing.  Need I spell this out for you more? VegaObscura 20:56, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The Master of Healing uses Peace and Harmony, GG. I don't know where you got any idea that I have "few gladiator points", and that view of RA is the majority view, or perhaps even the de facto view. More than 75% of players would agree to it, even hardcore RA fans. Anything works in RA. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:44, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I use Peace and Harmony and have earned over 100 gladiator points with it. How many do you have?  I got the idea that you have "few gladiator points" by the way you think.  Care to tell us how many you DO have?  No?  Didn't think so.  Oh and include a screenshot, because at this point I'm sure you're ready to make things up.  75% of players that don't play in RA would agree that RA is for noobs.  About 95% of people that have over 50 gladiator points will tell you anything does NOT work.  You can get an occasional gladiator point, but it will be much more rare, and result in not having as many as the good players.  Its like saying anything will work in HA.  Your allies can have good builds and yours be totally useless, and you will occasionally come across a match you will win.  I don't hear anyone saying 'anything works in HA'.  The same goes for GVG and every other kind of PVP and PVE. VegaObscura 00:08, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

May I asked in what way this page is misformatted? VegaObscura 12:32, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I'll ask again, please tell me how it is misformatted or fix it yourself. The notes in the tag don't help. VegaObscura 00:13, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * It's been about 3 days and you have said nothing. Removing the tag. VegaObscura 03:39, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

"If you are playing offense and start taking heavy damage, do not run away from your monk. Run towards your monk and behind it." Umm, I don't think the guide should encourage people to bring enemies back to the monk. Seiryoku 08:46, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Good point. Removed that line. VegaObscura 14:26, 30 March 2007 (CDT)