Talk:Ignore armor

just want to say I agree with the clean up tag. Being a supporter of the "Damage Type" school of thought myself, it's hard for me to really come up with attacks against that school. On the other hand, it's also hard for me to defend the other schools of thought, but they definitely exist and have a significant number of supporters so I can't just leave them out. I hope more ppl can add to the criticisms and defenses to each of the ideas. -PanSola 22:24, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

Obflame
Why is obflame an exception? &mdash; Stabber (talk) 22:52, 17 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Because I didn't have access to the wiki when typing the original stuff up, and I forgot it's untyped. -PanSola 04:29, 18 April 2006 (CDT)

Language objection -- ignoringness
I also object to "ignoringness". Either sentences that use it should be rephrased, or a different nominalization of "ignore" selected (though I can't think of one that fits). &mdash; Stabber (talk) 01:34, 18 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Ignorification. --68.142.14.76 02:36, 18 April 2006 (CDT)

POV debate
I don't even know how to describe this well, but I keep findind lines like this: ''Most damage dealing skills do not explicitly indicate whether the damage dealt will ignore armor. . My major problem with this line is that the very writing of the damage dealt will ignore armor'' strongly implies that the damage itself is controlling whether or not armor is ignored. Given that part of the debate is whether or not it is the damage (or damage type) or the skill that controls ignoring armor, this seems fairly POV to me. In general, though, I can at least agree that there was some very POV information in the article. My apologies for adding more, but it seemed like that the was the tone being taken. Thanks for fixing things up. I'll endevour to simply remove any that that I see remaining. --JoDiamonds 11:32, 18 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Responding to myself, pre-apologies for picking so many nits. --JoDiamonds 11:35, 18 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Regardless of what causes the armor to be ignored, I think we can be clear that it is the damage that ignores armor. What else can it be? I don't see that sentence you object to as supporting the "damage type" theory in any way, as it is perfectly consistent with the tenet "damage caused by skills ignore armor" of the theory that I think you personally prefer. &mdash; Stabber (talk) 11:41, 18 April 2006 (CDT)