Talk:Dolyak Signet

Ths not is extremely verbose. Can someone get around to getting it to say 3-4 lines. --Karlos 17:40, 24 October 2005 (EST)


 * I think you mean to say it is extremely verbose. --Fyren 18:14, 24 October 2005 (EST)

Why is that a problem? So long as the information is correct, unbiased, and reasonably clear, the purpose of a wiki is to give the user the most information possible. I think this article does just that. (Anonymous) 03:51 AM, 24 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * Because if you can get a correct, unbiased, and clear explanation in half the space, there's something wrong with it. --Fyren 18:14, 24 October 2005 (EST)
 * I'll tell you my theory 149.169, and it's just a personal theory, not an admin thing or a wiki policy. But my theory is to keep all articles in as concise and professional a form as possible. I know that a little color does not hurt and even makes the articles prettier and verbose notes in and of themselves are not evil.
 * My beef with verbosity and even more with too much color is in subjective areas like usage notes and build suggestions and Elementalist tactics. This just opens up a HUGE can of worms for subjective edits and counter edits and the like. People who think that this skill will NOT most definitely do this while others who think that it will "absolutely" do that. I myself used to be a lot more careless about this when I joined in and I have seen how much room it opens up for controversy.
 * Thus my advice is try to be as concise and factual (and inabsolute) as possible in such subjective sections as "Usage Notes" and "Tips" and "Walkthroughs"
 * On a side note, big 8 line paragraphs make for very unappealing reading for a user looking for quick tips. So, the use of bullts and separate paragraphs is highly recommended. On the flip side, verbosity in the talk page is ok! :) --Karlos 19:23, 24 October 2005 (EST)
 * The notes page on dolyak sig right now is just a very good example on how it should NOT be. Neither 38762 variants of "this signet is a signet and as a signet it behaves like a signet" nor stupid tips like "cripple someone for 50% movement penalty before you put on your 75% movement penalty" should be on the notes page. That is the place for not so obvious infos on the skill or abnormalities. And for good skill synergies. And no, crippling is none, it really is not very helpful if your enemy is only twice as fast as you rather than four times as fast. 134.130.183.235 08:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Turned into bullet-point format, feel free to revert if anyone has a better idea --Kiiron 18:41, 24 October 2005 (EST)

Anybody know how Rust affects this? I'm assuming it doesn't affect it at all, but it might be worthwhile to note this on the skill's page. 69.124.143.230 10:13, 18 February 2006 (CST)
 * No casting time -> no effect. I can confirm this from my experience fighting all of those ice golem things. --130.58 10:51, 18 February 2006 (CST)

18 Strength Dolyak Sig
Amounts to 23 seconds, 44 armor (not 46). Tested it with a shrine of Balthazar and Reefclaw's Refuge. -- Lagg Olagg


 * Can we have a second test on this? If that's the case, then the cast time AND the armor is incorrect.Cyrogenic 17:17, 3 February 2007 (CST)
 * It can't be right due to the fact that the formula used doesn't support it. --220.233.103.77 17:23, 3 February 2007 (CST)