User talk:Rapta/Archive 3

Unfavoured
We're using [Template:unfavored-build] now instead of the category &mdash; Skuld 18:58, 26 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Yeah. I keep forgetting, that's why I've been going over all of them starting with the Assassin ones. :P &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 19:00, 26 August 2006 (CDT)

Movin'
Look I have to remake this section now, stupid archiving! :P I normally leave the redirect line and just add the del tag above, the redirect won't work but you can still see the delete tag. That way if the creator tried to reaccess their build they will see the link to the new name. It's just generally useful to leave it I'd say. Plus the norm is to leave an article in tact when adding +del, unless there's some particularly nasty vandalism. I know, I know, long explanation for a trivial thing! --Xasxas256 23:59, 30 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Well, not sure if I interpreted it correctly, but I'm pretty sure I got it. Thanks for the heads up! =) &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:05, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Funny timing that I wrote the above while you were editing my RFA! Still another crisis averted :P I'd make a userbox saying "This user is the moved page redirect Nazi" but I don't like userboxes, plus if I had that I'd also need to make myself a "this user is probably crazy" box too! --Xasxas256 00:12, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Then this is perfect! =D &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:14, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

E/Mo Defensive Flag discussion
Just wanted to let you know that Fyren asked me to look at that build again as I'm the dumb sap who stuck his head into your and his disagreement there. ;) Anyway I've attempted to make a compromise [User:Rainith/Test|here] and was wondering if you would take a look at it.  --Rainith 22:11, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

Currently Testing the Viability of…
Hey, could you just take a glance at the above named section on my page and just give me a quick yeh or neh on my discussion page for each one? I know that you do a lot of testing for the wiki, so I don’t need anything long, just a quick glance over. Thanks in advance.--Azroth 14:45, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Alright, quickly ran over the 4 builds and gave my two cents. Sort of tired and trying to type as little as I can, so forgive me if I sound a bit harsh or interrupted with my explanations. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 21:52, 3 September 2006 (CDT)
 * no problem. Thanks a lot for the input and I'll try to see what I can do with your 2 cents.  Thanks again.--Azroth 22:48, 3 September 2006 (CDT)


 * Thanks again for your previous input. I think that I've been able to make some improvements since then, and also added some new builds.  So...could I trouble you for another few cents and get another quick review of these?  The link to the section on my user page is here, and the section on my talk page is here Thanks in advanceAzroth 16:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

PS-If a build name has two sets of attributes and skill bars under it, then the top one is just for reference. The second bar is the current one and the one I need comments on. The top bar is the original before major changes were made based on people’s comments. I just left it there so that people could see how far the idea has come thanks to the input of helpful people. PPS-The first 3 builds are about ready to be posted. I'm just waiting for your comments on them to make the decision of whether I should or not. Considering that your one of the best and most active testers on the wiki, it wouldn't make much sense to post something if you think it still looks like it needs a lot of work. But of you have time, please read the other comments on the builds, as they contain some relevant info. Thanks again.--Azroth 16:50, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

Voting on builds
It seems you have an opinion on every build anyone has submited (which is fine), but please do not vote on builds when your "vote" should belong in discussion. I have always found some of your unfavored votes dubious at best but this really is quite atrocious. In future please review your thoughts before posting them in an unfavored vote. --Jamie  04:06, 7 September 2006 (CDT)


 * I agree with Jamie. I think your effort to help vet the untested builds is commendable but misplaced. I don't think we need someone to just go through all the builds and cast a vote, any vote, well-inofrmed or not. This will not help speed up the process, only subvert it. I think you should scan the untested category, pick a few builds you would be interested in implementing and then take those on. Try them alone or with friends, then report back. --Karlos 05:26, 7 September 2006 (CDT)


 * It's hard, even with the removal of Nightfall builds the untested builds cat seems to be in an eternal traffic jam. I think there's just simply not enough testers to build submitters, if every build was comprehensively tested before being vetted or unfavoured the untested builds category would double every week :P I dunno I could be wrong, I've only been awayish for a week and I feel totally out of it, new deletion policies, signing deletes, build vetting processes, ways to keep articles, bleh, I don't know what's going on. Seems like the wiki is like a final year uni subject, if you fall behind just a little, you'll never catch up. I've been trying to only make the odd obvious edit but heck I went to just remove the untested build category from a user page then found Skuld reediting, apparently we nowiki the whole template now or it's "confusing". 7 days and I'm out of touch :(


 * Anyway back on track, I don't have a problem with people voting on builds that they haven't field tested. Rapta is straight up and accountable, he didn't just vote it down with no accompanying reason. If the reason wasn't great then this should quickly become apparent, as was the case here. I guess there's some users I trust more than others to do a build evaluation without testing it but as long as a reason is given I'm ok with it, perhaps more discussion should have occured but I'm ok with it in pricipal. But then again waiting for someone to reply can take ages, often it's hard to generate build discussion.


 * I've been saying for a while that I don't envy our build patrollers, they've got a tough job and frequently come under attack because nobody likes to see their build get an unfavoured vote. From the limited Watchlist/RC patrolling I've done this past week it looks like Xeeron is getting more stressed out, I'm not surprised that we don't have many build testers, it's a tough gig. --Xasxas256 05:55, 7 September 2006 (CDT)


 * Err was that so obvious? I guess I am in line for a wikibreak, hehe. But I want to see the new builds policy through first. --Xeeron 06:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)


 * I can't believe what you said about Xasxas! You said " don't have a problem with people voting on builds that they haven't field tested"!!!  How can you vote to move a build into the "TESTED" build category without testing it?  I think that makes a mockery of the whole concept of categories.  I am so fed up of seeing vote remarks that seem to have nothing to do with the actual build that I now just ignore the categories.  When people vote in the way that Rapta often seems to do it makes all division meaningless.  If you are not going to test a build then there should not be a "TESTED" category.  I think there might as well be only 2 categories:  Build Stubs, Builds - with sub divisions of area of use (i.e. PVP, GVG, RA, etc.).  Please only vote when you HAVE tested Rapta. 213.107.224.24 02:25, 27 October 2006 (CDT) Adamo Nox Noctis


 * This have changed, the above comments were written a long time ago. The untested builds cat was filling up, Xeeon was stressed and Rapta went on holidays. Things move fast on a wiki, since that comment a month and a half ago, Xeeron has gone and returned from his wikibreak, Rapta has returned from holidays and the way we approach builds has been massively debated. Our build testers are now getting though the untested builds and policy has been updated. Rapta and Xeeron are both very honest and accountable people, two months ago our builds were out of control. Now things are travelling well and although the Nightfall skill balance update has created more work, things are under control now. If you have a problem with a specific recent vote/comment of Rapta's, by all means bring it up him, I've always found Rapta pretty easy to work with, even when I disagree with him. The old above comments are a relic of the past when things were getting dire, desperate times, desperate attempts to find solutions etc. it's all uphill from here! --Xasxas256 04:14, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Trying to stay optimistic
Hey, I asked if you would take another look at my page in the "Currently Testing the Viability of…" article above, but I never got a response. Is this because you didn't see it or are you just ignoring me? I really hope it’s the first one. Please let me know so I know if I should look elsewhere for a quick review or if I can count on you. Thanks a lot.--Azroth 20:23, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Rapta is currently having a break, his last edit was on the 6th. --Xeeron 04:45, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
 * oh, dang.--Azroth 14:16, 16 September 2006 (CDT)

Shocking Flurry
Could you tell me how exactly it is hindered against warriors?-Onlyashadow 10:10, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

Your comment on Talk:Mo/any_Bond-Powerhealer
I agree with you, that orison of healing shouldn't be the only real healing spell in there. I added [Talk:Mo/any_Bond-Powerhealer#Healing_Breeze|another topic] to discuss that and maybe you want to comment there, too. Since the idea of using boon to enhance healing is not new, I think your comment about orison of healing is pretty misplaced. If we manage to spice up the spike healing in the build, maybe you want to consider to amend your vote... ~ Nilles (chat) 10:22, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Rapta is out, check his contributions. He only popped in once since Sept.5 to congradulate Karlos and then went back on break, so dont expect anything back from him too soon.&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  12:28, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
 * True dat... well anyway. ~ Nilles (chat) 13:09, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
 * I'm back, and ready to roll. I'll look into the matter for ya, Nilles. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:39, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Don't worry about it, lol. I tested it and it's nothing but a theory build. I struck out my support for it. ~ Nilles (chat) 02:07, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

Welcome back
Welcome back mate, everything and nothing has happened to the builds, have fun catching up ;) The new Build vetting procedure might help ya :) --Xasxas256 23:10, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Thanks for the heads up! Good thing I capped all those skills on my break. Now I can go into hyper-testing mode. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:15, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
 * I think the talk page for GuildWiki:Builds (including the archive) is probably around the 100 page mark if you were to print it out. There's lots of new people involved in the builds, I think there's probably a number who've join while you were gone. I hope you managed to rest up while you were away, plenty to sink your teeth into. --Xasxas256 23:25, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Always good to see that more people are taking the initiative to test (well, in this case write) builds. As long as they don't write (too) much. :P &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:29, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Welcome back. ~ Nilles (chat) 02:08, 17 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Good to have you back, as you can see (if you dig through tons of talk pages lol) we have been busy discussing. --Xeeron 04:44, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

Yay, its Rapta!! And not a moment too soon I might add. Welcome back! Oh, and be warned, if you think the untested section got huge over your break, just wait for Nightfall to come out ^_^ Good luck catching up on all the reading, but it doesn't realy matter as throughout all 100 pages of debate not one single thing was decided, lol.&mdash;  Azroth    13:34, 17 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Glad to see that I was missed. :P Seems like ages since I was last here, instead of just a month. Anyways, I'll try my best to respond to as many of these as I can, so that we can reduce our Untested pile to as little as 200 before Nightfall. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 21:12, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

Wb :) &mdash; Skuld 02:38, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

Build volunteering
I am happy for all the help I can get and I know you have an insane pensum of work, but are you sure you want to volunteer for as many professions? After all, this more or less means checking all edits to builds in this profession. --Xeeron 07:49, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Fixed. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 15:55, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

Deleting abandoned articles
FYI: I've reverted the builds that you migrated from being abandoned tags to being delete tags. There's still discussion on the actual timeframe to use taking place at [Template_talk:Abandoned#Time_periods].

While I agree that they should be deleted, I think we should reach a concensus on the time period to use before we do that. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 11:00, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

Build Page
You have left a tag saying don't change the featured build for testing until it has being verified or not, but on the edit menu it says you can change it every 3 days. I just wanted you to know that I was not actually in the wrong. Sir On The Edge 12:25, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
 * It's fixed now, thanks for the report! &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 20:54, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

Featured build
Just so you know the Rit is actually several months old, except I moved it due to name and profession change. There was quite a bit of discussion on that one. --Silk Weaker 20:00, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
 * The what? Sir On The Edge 20:03, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

Build:A/Me Impaler|A/Me Impaler
You favored this build a while back. The changes to Impale for the Nightfall update have broken the build tho. I have re-written it based on what i tested during the nightfall events and will test more tomorrow and after (moved to stub to rebuild and then after rebuild to untested, as in the old state it was no longer valid). I would appreciate if when you have the time after nightfall is released, (no rush, i know a new game will be out ta play) you could re-test the updated build and vote again with any suggestions. thank you. --Midnight08 09:35, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

Hi. What happened to the old guild and alliance. I was in the alliance but got kick whilst on holiday and cant find the guild nor alliance anywhere. Maybe you can help--slogankid1 (talk) 12:35, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

N/any Competitive Missions Minion Master
Hi Rapta. I've struck through your unfavoured vote on [Build:N/any Competitive Missions Minion Master] as I seem to remember it was a specific example of an vote that was neither helpful nor meaningful (which is why that build is untested with three unfavoured's). Please can you rephrase your vote in terms of meaningful criticism, then the build can go back into unfavoured. --NieA7 15:54, 18 November 2006 (CST)
 * What, it wasn't obvious enough? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 16:02, 18 November 2006 (CST)
 * Was for me, but I remember somebody came up with a huge list of what they thought were duff votes, then moved all the builds which included them back into untested. There's no reason for that build not to go into unfavoured since your vote is technically right as far as I can see, hence a simple rewording will mean the process can go through as normal. --NieA7 16:06, 18 November 2006 (CST)
 * Done, category fixed. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 16:10, 18 November 2006 (CST)
 * Thanks for that :) --NieA7 16:53, 18 November 2006 (CST)

About miscellaneous builds
hey I changed bunny reaper to off the list cause it was up for 3 weeks. Put it on the talk page of the build and nobody disagreed :P Not gonna revert it, but wouldn't mind if you did XD (Not a fifty five 21:22, 25 November 2006 (CST))