GuildWiki talk:Requests for adminship/Warwick (6)

Votes

 * I mostly agree with what she wrote as her rationale. I trust her to not abuse admin powers if given nowadays. However, I feel I am biased, thus cast my vote on the Neutral side. Besides, too many > too few. Perhaps keep in the back of your head for when the need for a new admin is needed. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we are doing just fine for admins right now. Nevertheless I also agree that Warwick has mostly settled down by now. So if there was a sudden need for a new admin, maybe I'd start looking here...Warwick's biggest argument in her favor is longevity and experience of various forms. I would say the biggest thing against would be that this is the 6th RfA, so Warwick has a rocky history... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 16:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Plus, now if I'm a terrible admin, Entropy/Auron/Jedi can just demote me outright Simply saying: "If I screw up it can be fixed anyway" isn't exactly a good argument. You'll have to do better than that. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 17:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I support your RFA - although someone has changed the RFA system - so I don't know how to Random Time  11:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Blurb
The nomination blurb seems to be about "Why it's ok for Warwick to be an admin", as opposed to "Why Warwick should be promoted to be an admin"... -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 18:06, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

"I see quite a few things that could do with deleting that other people (Mainly Viper tbh) don't get to deleting for about 20-40 mins or so" are those stuff that needs to be immediately deleted? o_O -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 18:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably not. I did state that I wasn't sure if it was a reason. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "You can never have too many admins" - I partially agree, in the sense that if at one point we needed 40 admins to maintain order and so we got a total of 40, and later things calmed down so we only need 10, we don't need to find 30 to demote, we can keep all 40. On the other hand, my inclination is to not promote ppl to adminship just because it's ok.  If we do that, then in the long run a new user who comes here will see that this is a wiki consisting only of trouble makers vs sysops, no regular users; and I think that would be a bad long-term image to portray.   -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: Ishmael's Addition
I'm not certain about the new format, so I dunno if the "Qualities" count as peoples votes, but anyway;
 * Tendency to make quick decisions without community discussion leading to brash actions that are widely opposed by the community.
 * I don't feel that I do that any more, I've outgrown it. It's been like, 5 months since I last did somthing like that. I think. So it's not really a tendancy, is it? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:53, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's why I put it as a sub-item under "Rocky history". &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didnt note that. :> &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

History of unilateral actions
Yes, I'm bringing this up again, but it's really the only argument I have against Warwick. Most of Warwick's activity between when I really got involved with the wiki in March and when her activity dropped off a month or so ago could easily be summarized by "Warwick decides something needs to be done, edits/creates 100(+) pages, community objects, wikidrama and delete/revert-fests ensue." Her activity over the past couple months has been too low for me to get a good characterization of her current wiki-personality, so I can't really say whether she has improved her attitude/mentality about this or not. While she hasn't undertaken any unilateral action during that time, she also hasn't participated in much community discussion. (Please point out any discussions where she did participate, I don't watch everything that happens around here (just most of it) and I have no clue what happens on other wikis.) It would be great if her attitude really has changed, I just can't make a judgment either way on that right now. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 20:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the way I've acted has changed, personally, but thats just me. I'm bias. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I find it amusing how you say you've stopped trolling and your userpage mentions your "trolling partners". Anyway, I think you'd make an OK admin, but I think the "boy who cried wolf" factor is probably going to hurt you (srsly, RFA 6?), as well as the whole don't really need another admin thing.
 * No, no real insights there. Just random thoughts that popped into my head.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  21:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That was from a while ago! Honest! >.>. No, but seriously, the SSBBwiki trolling was intended to help more than it was to harm. I (along with Felix and DE) were trying to change the fact that.. the admins over there sucked. We failed. Shame. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 21:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The last unilateral (read, uncoordinated with the people actively working on the same pages) action I can recall was on August 2nd, and Dr ishmael summed it up here. Not that big of a deal, and it's been a while ago. --◄mendel► 22:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My intention on SSBBwiki was purely that of humor. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh come on, I can't be the only one who was actually trying to get them to stop failing.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion style
See here. I don't want to commit to an opinion whether that is tolerable discussion style for an admin weighing in on an important discussion, mainly because I've got an open RfA myself. I think that is about the worst I can remember of Warwick in recent history, though. --◄mendel► 22:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * D:. That was smashwiki, though! And that guy was really irritating me.. And it was for a good cause, too!.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 22:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In my opinion you can't judge people based on what they say/do ingame or on other sites. For all you know Warwick is a total bitch on Facebook or something, and if you'd find that out she'd suddenly make a bad GuildWiki admin? Come on. GuildWiki admins are (or should be) chosen based on what they say and do here on GuildWiki, nothing else. I know calling someone a dipshit or whatever isn't really the best way to give people a positive idea of who you are but that doesn't make you any less an admin on THIS wiki. I know it's a thin line really, because if someone is a known vandal of other wiki's, I'd have second thoughts too (not that I'm saying you're a vandal WW, neither am I sticking my head out for you - It's just that I have a strong opinion about this). Back on topic - I have no doubts Warwick will make a good admin, but is it really necessary? Does the wiki need another admin? Putting up another RFA because 'you can't have enough admins' isn't really an argument. Putting up an RFA because you think you can do something for the wiki is more like a step in the right direction, but I haven't read anything along those lines yet (if I'm wrong, please point me to it). Anyway that's my €0,02 and if it'd really come down to it, I'd probably vote neutral again because I don't think it is necessary Warwick would become admin, but neither do I think she'd make a bad one. --[[Image:Progger.png]] - talk 22:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow. Progr made a WoT... Still, it's true. I'm quite a dick on PvX when it comes to someone posting a horrible-beyond-repair build. Does that make me any worse here? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  08:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering certain members of the administration team are here solely because of what they've done outside this wiki, I'm afraid plenty of people will disagree with you, Progr (though whether I do or not is a different story). [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean, but that doesn't mean it should happen again. --[[Image:Progger.png]] - talk 11:04, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Progger is relatively right. afaik there isnt really much of a reason anymore why not, its just that there isn't much of a reason why so. I feel I could do better for this wiki with admin powers, but I'm really quite bias, so can't give a judge of how well I'd do. :\ &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What someone does outside of GuildWiki is not relevant unless it is someplace tied to GuildWiki. For example, Facebook is totally irrelevant. But #IRC, GWW, GW2W, PvX, in-game, and to a much lesser extent other Wikias, do count for something. How one acts on GuildWiki is the most important factor to consider, but if you are a very good/bad person in those other places that could also be a deciding factor. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Adminship would increase activity
So are you saying that you are inactive - and you need a perk (adminship) to peak your activity again, adminship should be a tool - not blackmail (you will make me an admin or I shall stop contributing) Random Time  10:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. It's just the fact that a lot of the contributions I might make is somthing that Viper would have already done/will do in the next 10-20 mins. Tagging somthing for deletion that is about to be deleted is a bit pointless imo. Tagging somthing for banning that is about to be banned is a bit pointless too. I'm not saying I need a perk to peak my activity, I'm saying that I'd be able to do the stuff I can't do now. Which should probably be evident. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I read that as a promise, rather than threat. --◄mendel► 11:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I support your RFA - although someone has changed the RFA system - so I don't know how to Random Time  11:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You do that by thinking of points in Warwick's favor (look at User:M.mendel/Admin_Criteria if you need ideas) and adding them to the summary. --◄mendel► 12:02, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasn't supposed to be a threat.. I don't really see how it could be interpruted as a threat, tbh. "If I'm not given admin powers I'll leave" is a threat, but "My activity would probably increase" isn't really a threat at all- as mendel says, more of a promise. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * *cough* >.> (see the last sentence in the part I struck out) &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol. I sat there wondering what the heck you were talking about, 'till I realised it was a link. /fail. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

nova's in valuable opinion
In my opinion, the qualities you listed for nomination are too... "okay to be an admin" as you stated yourself, as opposed to why you should be an admin. In your first paragraph (calm down, I'll get to your second one later) almost every statement you make can be made by any decent user on this wiki. Any decent user, if promoted to admin, would be a lot more active and would not abuse tools. Wasting far too much time sitting around camping IRC and RC doesn't make you any better of a potential admin, other than the fact that you obviously have lots of time on your hands. OrgX and PanSola make some pretty good points. You lack the confidence and professionalism needed to be an admin. Saying "if I just screw up it can be fixed" makes it seem that RfA is a very... lenient thing. RfA is about awesome, not just decent, users that have clearly helped the wiki and can be judged to almost definitely be a huge improvement to the wiki if they were promoted. Promotion is about giving good users new tools; it's about amplifying the good work they've already done. It's not "here, let's try you out with this mop." You current adminship request looks like "okay I know that I've been bad, but I think I'm ready to behave now, I want to be an admin so try me out, you can demote me if I screw up anyways." Again, the statements that you made in your first paragraph are almost laughable. GuildWiki would be damned if someone who wouldn't revert vandalism at first sight tried out for adminship. Ditto if the bcrats wouldn't demote a bad admin.

Now that I've got it down pat as to why you're just a decent user but not an outstanding potential admin (or have qualities worth being considered for adminship either), let's move on to the second paragraph. Your second paragraph is probably one of the most disgusting things I've read in a serious RfA ever, and it's so disgusting I might actually not classify it as serious. Let me quote some statements:
 * "I feel, as I always have, that I could use admin tools well. As well as that, it'd probably increase my activity by quite a lot. I can't really think of many reasons why I should, to be truthful, though I can think of quite a few as to why its okay."

The majority of that statement was countered in the first paragraph I wrote, why being okay definitely doesn't make you a potential good admin, but seriously. I doubt gwiki is currently in a state that we are so desperate for admins we need to promote every single decent user to administration. You're not superior to some of the other people I've seen, and if you got promoted, the "if you got promoted why don't we promote others too" argument would reign supreme. But I'm going to stop camping that argument because I've said enough already.


 * "So meh. That's just a response to Pan's comment, really."

... You listed possible reasons why you should be an admin just to respond to someone's comment? This, combined with the fact that you said (in game, I think) that you tried out for RfA because you were bored, is scary. At the moment it looks like you are hardly taking RfA seriously and as a result, I doubt we should take you seriously either. Five previous RfAs don't help that image either, and neither does trolling in other wikis.

Other people can say what they want about activities elsewhere not affecting gwiki, but I believe it is all about professional image. For instance, why is Auron respected? Why is he bcrat on all three guild-wars related wikis? He's reached a level of maturity and professionalism that is definitely not seen in Warwick. Trolling on SSBB just because it's a piece of Wikia shit that no one cares about (which it is) still affects Warwick's image. What if one day Warwick decided gwiki was a piece of wikia shit (and considering her rocky background, I can't guarantee her opinions won't change in the future) and played immature again? Hardware companies won't hire a person who has a criminal background relating to theft as long as they know about that background. Like, come on. This isn't a rehab centre for off-the-track bums, where we forget people's pasts and start anew. This is GuildWiki, and if we are to make it a pinnacle of community achievement, then we really need to be selective about our administration. At any rate, Warwick needs to calm down, get some patience, and start working like an admin for at least a while before we should seriously consider giving her the mop. Spamming adminship requests every x months doesn't help her image in terms of seriousness and professionalism.

Oh, and tag this on at the end: http://guildwars.wikia.com/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Warwick&namespace=0&year=&month=-1

50 of her most recent mainspace edits dates back to... almost three months back, with hardly any project involvement?! Obviously she's too busy on talk pages/GuildWiki project pages to actually *do something in the namespace*.

Well, that's my two cents. Wow, what a huge wall of text. &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 18:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

And before people start torching me, I don't have a grudge against Warwick - she has the skills, she just needs to be a lot more mature and take things a bit more seriously and professionally.

And before people start shouting at my contribs; this wall of text is just my opinion, I'm not the one trying out for RfA, I just want to give my opinion as I know Warwick personally. &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 18:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Five previous RfAs don't help that image either - 3 of those 5 were self-nominations, the 1st and 5th were not. Noting that for reference.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, 2 of those 5 were self-nominations. 1, 4 and 5 were not. :P &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Two RfA's before this is not something to overlook, actually. Either way, I don't think naming your topic: "nova's invaluable opinion" is the smartest thing to do though. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 19:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, there is not a whole bunch to do in the mainspace these days unless you want to get involved in a project. Which isn't that many people at all. There is minor vandalism every now and then to revert, and maybe something interesting or an innovative strategy for a quest/mission that no one discovered yet. But still. Moreover, I have promoted a number of people who are "just decent users" before, and no one seemed to have a problem with that...I don't see any demotion requests around. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a strike through the "in" part. &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 19:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Still, you leave an impression that your opinion is more valuable than that of others. Which isn't the most professional thing to do. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 19:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying out for administration, and I doubt this is scarcely a constructive thing to be discussing right now. &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 19:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)