Talk:Game updates/Archive9

bug that hasnt been fixed non existant update!!!!
anet still hasnt fixed the bug that causes random npcs to magically appear a few feet back and keep jumping a few feet in front,indefinetly.......can an admin or someone here plz put in a fix appeal,as many players are extremly annoyed by this.....


 * We are not affiliated with ANet, so having an admin here put in a support ticket is no different than having a player do so. Having said that, I believe the problem you are referring to is a simple Lag problem, not a bug. I know that happens a lot to me if I idle with Heroes or Henchmen for too long...I find that the best way to fix it is to use the /dance or some other repeating emote, and just sit there for awhile. I don't know why, but it seems to fix the problem...Entering a town usually works too. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I know that problem, to fix it i minimize the game then maximize again. this mosty happens when i alt tab the game instead of using button for making the screen smaller.

Martanos

I have had this problem a few times: Deleting the dat-file and downloading it again solved it for me. Probably a small mistake that gets written in during gameplay. I know keep a fresh dat-file backed up in case it happens again. Helgan Iceglow.

/report
/report doesn't work for me .. i don't see any new panel or anything.. am i doing something wrong ? --Kyrax 15:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You need to type /report . If you did that: It is indeed broken. --Vipermagi 15:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I did that.. --Kyrax 16:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Lol, ok... GG Anet, again? --Vipermagi 16:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if it might not be available yet.. maybe /report is an upcoming feature.. --Kyrax 17:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe Anet can share how we're supposed to type Asian language characters on English keyboards. Sirocco 18:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Read the update notes -_- You can also target the player in question and then type /report without a name. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 19:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

There you go. They just made it available. You get a nice pannel with options.. i like that feature. --Kyrax 19:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Copy/Paste is your friend :P. Use the name from whisper if you can't see the character to click on. ~ [[Image:GeckoSprite.gif]] Pae 07:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well the panel thing didn't pop up when I had the person selected. I'll try it again later. Sirocco 00:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Can we try this then cancel the report just to test it ? TulipVorlax 01:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just go to Bergen Hot Springs International District and test it there on those 55 monks.
 * It's not just bots there you know, I 55 there whenever I'm bored :P -Meridan 07:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but I bet you don't exit town by clicking on flag, stopping, then clicking outside the portal. -Ezekiel 09:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I usually click on the flag, turn around 3 or 4 times, then exit. Usually I scrape the wall too.Nub 01:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The only way I could get this to work is by typing /report Hope that help folks  81.106.54.66 08:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I click the flag before exiting to make sure I'm going to the right place. It also helps me get to the door when I'm lagging.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 18:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you also hug the walls on your way up and occasionally run into said walls? I'm quite sure ANet bothers to check any reports anyway, so actual players don't get accidentally banned just for being in the same town. :P --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  06:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

A player isn't repoorted until I click confirm in the Report window right?~MarioDX 21:59 October 2nd

Grr...people use the report system for revenge after loosing a pvp match! I got banned after I won an AB, and my cousin got banned for the same thing. A-net needs to improve the report system. Mando.
 * That shouldn't be possible, you can only report your own teammates for leeching, and the other /report offenses aren't tied into the Dishonorable Combat system. Only leaving matches or leeching reports flags you as dishonorable, the other functions of that command requires review by an ANet employee.  Unless you meant that you were banned from the game entirely (not from PvP via Dishonor), in which case whoever reviewed the report agreed with it.  If that's the case then it's your own darn fault, watch the language next time.  If you meant getting the Dishonor hex though, point your fingers straight at your own teammates, because they're culpable. -Gildan Bladeborn 21:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Another reason why I'm giving GW a very long break. Maybe they'll have the report feature smoothed out in a few months... and I'll be interested in the game again.--Dice 05:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Report wasn't working last night. :( It didn't bring up the report window or even say there was a problem with the command.  I was looking forward to reporting an annoying trade spammer.


 * I am very sad what Anet has done. First, this is a game where we kill monsters and other people. You have to be 18 to purchase it, and it has filters if you don't want see "foul" language. Then why in the fucking hell, Anet is turning people into hall pass monitors and baby sitters? You don't like that someone called you a fag, put the person on ignore list. Why is this game enables people with low self-esteem with gestapo like powers. If two players call each other by their pet names, why do you need to report them? Put them on ignore list and be done it, don't deprive people of communication just because you find it offensive. Instead of report, please add commands like /ignoreall (name) or /noteamall or /noteamAR (name) and be done with that. This is game, part of it is gaining experience from how people interact, so by creating /report command you are creating generation of children who whine, and scream "mommy/ daddy he said a bad word!" Such reinforcement for this behavior is mode deplorable than if someone called someone a bad name. If we worships fictional deities, kill humans and animals alike and most importantly rewarded for it, it is very hypocritical to remove real, world language interactions that might come from it. In addition, what if someone is called "Ganinya" Is that okay? Or that means "Fuck your mom" in Chinese? Or Pushy Galore? Or Futter Buck? TheRapist Monk? As you can see, when you start censorship, where will it stop? Making fun of Christmas might be offensive to a Christian,someone been proud of being gay and finding the freedom to express that on line might be offensive to most uneducated people, etc, etc, etc. I understand that there are asshats and jerks in the game, but provide proper tools in dealing with those issues. Empower people to be take charge of their environment, not into making them into army of whiners. I stopped playing GW for few reasons, and with censorship being the biggest one. When, you ANET, changed my EULA, and I had no real recourse. Imagine buying a product that is constantly changes what it is, and you have no control of it. We can make numerous analogies, but I will stop here. In the end, reporting command as it is now, is a really bad idea. Provide tools that make the game as unrestrictive as possible, yet provide different level of protection to the end-user. Thank you. I will be looking forward to GW2, I hope this important issue will be resolved by then.
 * I agree with don't having to report foul language. There are filters if your tender ears can't take it. I usually turn of team chat so enemy teams can't bitch at me, and anyone who harasses me gets the ignore list. &mdash; ♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 02:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree with all of the above block of text, but you forgot the racial epithets they let leak through their precious content filters. Its perfectly acceptable to make "Whitey McCracker" but the second you cross the "black" line forget about it.  Now I understand the playerbase is bound to be overwhelmingly white (and male for that matter) so they are looking out for potential abuse but why the double standards?  Its horribly ironic to me that the same socially acceptable and politically correct double standards that play out every minute of every day in America have come to dramatically influence overall policy of a fictional video game.  I have no intention of quitting the game I just think it should be brought to attention just how nonsensical (and apparently biased) these policies can be.
 * I'll agree with that. the Ignore list needs to be longer than 10 ppl for GW2. Mesodreth Blackwing 20:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Can someone tell me why the hell I can't report someone in AB on my side for leeching? When they were testing the system out, it worked perfectly. Now, if an entire team is leeching, no one can report them. GG ANet.

Possible Hall of Monuments Dye Fix?
All my armor was previously displaying as default gray in the Hall of Monuments (all of which is either a mixture of old dye colors, or a mixture of new dye colors). After this update, however, they are displaying correctly. If anyone else experiences this 'fix' it should be added to the notes section.Silentvex 02:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * THey all display in the color of the armor you are wearing when you enter your HoM. - Yellow Monkey (T/C) 09:24, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Lies. My armor is definately not purple. Lord of all tyria 09:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is in fact done off the Chest Piece you were into the Hall. If you swap the Chest Piece while in the hall you can then swap the order of the armors and they will change to that current Chest Piece.--Cronus 02:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The armour is displayed with the colour of the chestpiece, regardless of the individual colouring of the rest of your armour Nazmazh 22:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I had full dyed black Elite Profane, and apparently it's orange. It was easily changed though, when I swapped the order of where the armours are placed they reverted... Maybe it happens with the default grey problem? 87.81.136.71 12:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Did anyone notice this?
the update on the 27th had this "Underworld Hall of Monuments trophy". does anyone know what that is all about? how to obtain it? what it does, if anything. Im surprised no one has mentioned anything about this anywhere in guildwiki.. 71.93.223.99 06:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Monument of Honor. "Eternal Conqueror of the Underworld". Been there for awhile. (T/C) 06:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

OMG!
Twice, I played today on Vizunah Square, and got entwined with another group. Once, french, and the other I dont know. I have screencaps (minus name of other group) but you can see by party roster, we didnt have the heros that were tehre. As soon as we got close to them, however, togo died and both parties got booted... Update glitch, or what? Ravien Coromana 20:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC) BTW, the french group had this happen twice as well. Dont have time to upload screencaps right now
 * You need to keep both Togo and Mhenlo alive, or you fail the mission... nothing new there. ~ [[Image:GeckoSprite.gif]] Pae 20:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * no.... you dont understand, pae. There was a seperate group, taht WASNT in our party that was fighting with us... us 8, and them 8 (most with heros) I'll post screencap soon Ravien Coromana 20:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a two-party mission...[[Image:bunneh.jpg]]-The Bunny  20:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not supposed to happen though.... Ravien Coromana 20:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless you don't know what a 2-party mission is, you're failing to explain the glitch part of this. [[Image:bunneh.jpg]]-The Bunny  20:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 *  Screencap 1... Tell me where in that mission statement does it say otehr players are supposed to be in the PvE mission with you, that arent in your party. Ravien Coromana 20:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * another, better screencap. http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w261/ravi999coromana/gw068.jpg
 * oh hai --romlado

The mish has NPCs, but no 2nd party... or at least its not supposed to. Ravien Coromana 20:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. &mdash; Skakid9090 20:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's made pretty clear in the walkthrough, actually, most notably the part that says "The mission begins with the Canthans starting from Vizunah Square (Local Quarter), getting a head start into the first courtyard area. The foreign team begins from Vizunah Square (Foreign Quarter). It is important for both teams to group up as soon as possible, while keeping their NPCs alive." - Auron 20:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I want to know then, why we instantly died when we met up, when both important NPC's were at full ehalth... *sigh*... togo just died out of nowhere...


 * Afflicted Soul Explosion Spike + Boss nuke? --[[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (s)talkpage 21:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You failed to protect him. Fail. End of story. Sirocco 21:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Togo has an affinity for getting owned. Zefir 21:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There is 2 missions named Vizunah square, one local (for canthan born chars) and foreign (for chars born not in cantha) and those 2 teams meat up at "vizunah square" ... no glitch there Falafel 22:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

^ Did anyone else find this absolutely hilarious? Tain 02:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought it was cute. ~  Gold [[Image:DeanIcon.png]] Dean   - 02:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In a sad sort of way...75.61.44.130 05:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It is possible that the OP has never done the missions before. Or, it could be that they did them in the past with the opposing team entirely made of Henchmen... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Once Nightfall came out, it became pretty much impossible to see another team in this mission... when I first got Factions, NF wasn't released yet, and plenty of Prophecies characters were still migrating over. So the mission almost always had two full teams.
 * ...then Nightfall came out, most everyone jumped across to there, and traffic died down severely in the mission. Even on the foreign side, it's not rare to have the local side be entirely henchmen. Anyone who didn't have the chance to play the mission when there was more traffic probably never knew - and might not ever know - that it's a two-party mission. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  06:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And it's generally better that way IMO, I have had my fair share of LAME parties who are like lv2 Azns and crap like that >.> Although I did get Masters on Vizunah only because the other guy was also an MM... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Dual-PUG for the win/loss. It's generally an easy mission, you just need to randomly get teams that can either protect their NPC, or kill foes fast enough that it doesn't matter. At the time, if you didn't have a MM in every group, then something was wrong with the game; more often then not, you'd have to draw straws to see which MM in a group had to switch to a different Necro build. "Aw crap, what do you mean I can't MM too?! I don't even know what my other skills do!" --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  06:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont want to put oil on the fire but, in second screeny he has post, we can easilly see that his group left Mhenlo behind (green triangle). So, maybe it's Mhenlo who has diyed.
 * Still, i understand him be surprised to have to do a mission with another group. I was the first time. TulipVorlax 06:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Huge Bug... plz someone help me tell anet about that
After a recent update I experienced that HUGE problem. Ok everyone, look at the pictures... it tells everything... When i want to cats a spell it tells me very often not enough energy... On first picture, I have full energy (with an item in my hands). That is 33 energy and I tried to cast Recuperation Spirit. The message appeared and told me "Not enough Energy". For picture 2, the same thing happened but I wanted to cast Resilient Weapon(10 energy) when I had 13 energy, Recuperation was recharging. This is a MAJOR BUG... how do you want to heal when half of my spells don't work. It is very frustrating. I don't know how to tell ANet about this. This problem happens all game longand it has been going on for like 1 week or 2. Big Bow 20:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

This is a known bug with Item Spells that has been going on since...well...forever I think. See Talk:Unyielding Aura for example. Although, it does not happen all the time, since I personally haven't experienced it on my Rt. No one really knows how or why or what to do for a fix. (T/C) 21:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it 's funny tho, I have been using my Rit for almost a year now and I experienced that only from 1 week or 2. Big Bow 22:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I had this smae bug on my elle in an ab. It went away after the ab ended.--Murderer bomb 15:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I have encountered a similar bug on my Necro. Whenever I'm using a hexing build or blood spiking, Sometimes spells that target a foe will randomly return the message "Invalid Spell Target" I've noticed this occurring mostly on my necro with hexes, and only when I first change to that target. When I switch to a different for there is a 1 or 2 second period where the game recognizes my target as invalid. Later i noticed the same thing happening when I try to enchant allies with my monk. I havent expirienced this recently (withing the past couple days) but it is definately a recent bug, as I have played for 2 years now, and it has only been happening on and off for the past 5-6 weeks. Not sure what it is, but Also, My friend who runs an Ele religiously, has encountered your not enough energy bug. He'll have some 50 energy left and can't cast Immolate.

October 12, 2007

 * To release "customization" from the mini pets in the Hall of Monuments you must go there and view the monument.
 * Hard Mode has been added for GWEN.
 * Hidden Treasures can appear on the first floor of a dungeon. (Screen pending. bloody dialup)
 * These hidden treasure drop less gold ( I got 38g from on in cath first floor).
 * Lightbringer's Gaze does not work in the exile anymore. --[[Image:Warrior's_Endurance.jpg|18px]] numma_cway 20:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone removed the Hard Mode Note! -- [[Image:Elisa Angelstine sig.png|25px]]Elisa Angelstine (talk) 20:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Put it in the correct page, please Cress Arvein 20:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my bad, didn't realise.. EN HM!!! YAAAY!! -- [[Image:Elisa Angelstine sig.png|25px]]Elisa Angelstine (talk) 20:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nerfed half of all skills I use!!! NOOOO!! 78.156.195.25 22:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Searing Flames did not need a buff...lol@Anet for buffing the most overused Fire Elite -66.167.214.151 22:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I want to thank anet for completly destroying the para. My para have managed to dodge most updates but this last one was really heavy. I wonder what ppl at Anet think when they decides what skills to change, it must be something like this: I dont mind the nerfs aslong as they buff or creates new synergies with other skills but they way they are going on only nefing never buffing para skills its makes paragons not fun to play anymore.-- ( √ iktor ) 23:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * -Are ppl still playing the paragon?
 * -Afraid so...
 * -Wasnt the last nerf enough?
 * -No ppl are still playing "Go for the Eyes!" and "Watch yourself!" with Agressive Refrain seems to be the ongoing theme
 * -Ok, lets nerf them and buff all other classes
 * -Yeah
 * -Why did we make the paragon class to begin with?
 * -We had to make one class that was worse than all the others so ppl always can say, "atleast my class is better than the paragon"
 * -Ah thank you for refreshing my memory.
 * Heh, Paragons have now been completely nerfed. There is basicly no reason to use a para any more.--<font color="Green">Teh Uber Pwnzer 23:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What they clearly "wanted" to do was add Spears as another warrior attribute instead of making half-assed new classes. Two more skills taken out of the game. Hooray. -- JadeWarrior 23:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't you people know Anets intention for paragons was for them to stand there and yell at everyone. When people started diverting from their plans and actually doing a mediocre job in combat something had to be done!--<font color="Black">Sefre  [[Image:Sefresig.jpg|15px|]] Talk*Cont. 23:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What they should have done is just named the profession "Bard". At least that would have been more in line with their intentions, and then people wouldn't be as angry when the profession's combat skills are nerfed.  Shadowlance 01:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They should have named it cheerleader.

Heh, they made Droks runs a little easier for my assassin. And "charge" has a 33% speed buff.24.4.196.143 01:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Another, another update, same batch of complains. They said the skills changed was in testing phase guys. TulipVorlax 01:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And? Most of the time when they do this thing they wind up keeping them the same when they permanently apply the update, if you stay quiet they'll think every thing is alright and accepted. 68.204.126.178 02:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I want to rape and mutilate everyone that says 'paragons suck'. They're still one of the best professions to have, they're team wide defense is nigh unmatchable --Blue.rellik 03:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I'll take a good def para over a prot monk any day. -Malcheior Sveth 03:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The buff to SF's burning is a big buff to ToF, too. Still, WY! was nice as an armor boost - not JUST energy management. Tain 04:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Freaking cracked armor being reapplied constantly is killing the energy of my h/h monks.75.61.44.130 21:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Gasp, I might actually need to think about bringing Aggressive Refrain! I can always use other adrenaline boosters if I need to. I think Izzy should change the CrAr condition to a simple -20AR while it's active though, reapplying the condition over and over is rather annoying. Just give me the armor debuff already. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  23:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

It appears as though Lightbringer's Gaze isn't working in the Domain of Anguish anymore.. was this part of this update or did I miss it in a previous one? I haven't been there in a while but was shocked this weekend to see that gaze didn't work on the elite Margonites! --Pooder 15:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Memory Leak
anyone noticed a higher usage of their system memory in GW? i have a gig of memory but at some stage GW was using up to 480mb of my system memory. Has anyone also noticed a drop in performance? i am running a GeForce 7900gt which up till recently was more then enough for GW - but now my frame rate seems to be a bit random - dropping to 10 or so out in open areas for no reason. --XistdedOne 00:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought it was just me, lately performance has been quite choppy and nothing else has changed. Guild Wars is the only title having framerate issues, and it used to run quite smoothly. -Gildan Bladeborn 18:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No issues here in Holland. My shitty pc is not shittier than before. It might be the rep weekend screwing you over, many people online these days. --[[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (s)talkpage 18:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been having issues ever since GW:EN came out, but never thought much of it Zefir 19:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm i dunno - just annoys me when im out farming and i die cause my frame rate becomes non-existant - i would agree that since GWEN was released it started - i thought it could have been my video drivers but im runing the NVidia release just b4 the current beta drivers.... ahh who knows - might be another issue with my damn card--XistdedOne 00:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Seeing it here too, although not just in the last update. I'm not sure when the problem first started, but just the other day GW was running slowly so I minimized it and opened Task Manager.  GW was taking up about 500Mb and the memory usage number was steadily climbing.  Shadowlance 15:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Resurrection SAND!?!
Perhaps my understanding of things is inaccurate, but regarding "Moved the first Resurrection Shrine in Vulture Drifts to the side of the portal into Dunes of Despair" from the 12 Oct 2007 Update. I read this to mean that just outside of the zone gate from the Dunes of Despair there is now a rez shrine. Unless I've encountered a weird bug, no shrine exists there. Mind you, I purposefully died and was resurrected on the patch of sand next to the ruined building. Right where the collector Uderit Ignis is standing (until I got rezzed - and then poof he's gone), but no shrine. -- Sabardeyn 01:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Must be a bug. ANet doesn't usually move rez shrines... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's in body of the update notes... Maybe it just isn't "fully" implemented (i.e. with graphics) yet. &mdash; [[Image:Fin_sig.gif|User:Kyrasantae]] <font color=#000080>kyrasantae   04:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that this is the first time I remember ANet ever doing such a change, ie moving a rez shrine. They have changed the activation radius before, sure, but not moved an entire shrine. So maybe this is a new thing and they didn't get it quite right. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI there was no shrine outside Dunes of Despair before. If you died, you where resed in the middle of the portal to that location (I guess that was a safety measure). &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 06:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Adding's still different than moving >.> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. My comment was just some general Trivia :P &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 09:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Lightbringer and DOA
anyone noticed if lightbringer is working or not in DOA. I read on guru that it wasnt anymore - and i noticed after a gloom run that i didnt do anywhere near the normal dmg to the monsters with LB on.--XistdedOne 10:34, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

yes I noticed that as well. lb gaze doesn't work on any creatures in DoA anymore. It makes no sense to me as they are Margonites. Removing lb gaze from affecting the stone summit in Slaver's Exile I can understand, but this is the kind of place/creatures lb was made for, isn't it? --Pooder 14:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

/in new update they nerfed
they just killed the assasin skill deadly paradox by changing it to 33% anyone else completly pissed?
 * It was stronger than Mantra of Recovery and was non-elite. Tell me, exactly, HOW that was balanced? --Kale Ironfist 00:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The builds using it were far too strong. It needed to be nerfed. Zefir 00:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesnt realy change much - i tested it with some builds i run - makes u have to react faster is all ^^--XistdedOne 01:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It was only to prevent perma-shadowformers without re-nerfing arcane echo. I doubt ANet cares as much about the deadly arts sins as all the people griefing in arenas and having super hax farming builds and such. 69.40.249.50 01:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm almost positive it was because of me! User:JediRogue/Nerf Shadow Form. &mdash; ♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 01:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can still use Shadow Form to great effect in farming and running; the few uses I can think of for Shadow Form in farming is Solo Green A/E, which does not use a perma-SF, so it's a moot point. Oh noes, I've got to wait a little bit longer in a completely safe position while SF recharges. The other use is Elemental Sword farming, which is essentially the same build as the Solo Green farmer, and also doesn't use perma-SF.
 * In running, perma-SF isn't a great tactic; I've run Droks before with a build like that, and it doesn't help me at all. Granted, the nerf to Chilibans (sp?) means I've got no more weaknesses aside from AoE damage, but hell, I'm not planning to sit in a mob for an hour anyway. I can deal with a few more seconds of downtime; I was planning ahead for a downtime anyway.
 * The one thing this hit hard was Deadly Arts 'Sins. They still work, of course, but not quite as fast. They're, what's the word, balanced now? In my opinion, at least. I'm hoping this nerf is a permanent one, because that means we've got a better chance of seeing buffs to a lot of other skills. Other skills which generally came with the comment "yes, I know it's underpowered in it's current form, but if we reduce the recharge, it'll be broken with Deadly Paradox."
 * ...that reminds me, I need to get back on my 'Sin for some farming again. I'm low on gold. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They still need to do something about Deadly Haste. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 10:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No reason to fix what's not broken. Deadly Haste is just fine. Critical Strikes is a primary attribute.87.174.231.9 10:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ...that has no half ranged spells and isn't a desirable caster attribute since every other skill [is / needs / does something upon] an attack. The lack of half-ranged spells in general aside. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 01:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A/E Water Trident spammer! -Ezekiel 02:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't believe they nerfed chilblains. After seeing the shadowformers in AB (and the noobs wasting time trying to kill them) I was about to start running chilblains for laughs, but Anet nerfed it before I could do that :(.
 * Yes, it's true, many of the skills you wouldn't normally see in a match, but some are extremely viable options. Besides, its worth bringing one just to watch him/her crap their pants when you do.  I wish ANET would stop nerfing things just because everyone has to use their cookie cutter builds.  I bet SOMEONE on your team could find good use out of something below:
 * Interrupt the cast (easier to interrupt the Arcane Echo) - Signet of Disruption, Leech Signet, Shove, Grapple, Signet of Judgment
 * Remove it - Rending touch (actually quite popular on W/D), Expunge Enchantments, Grenths Aura, Winds of Dis, Signet of Disenchantment.
 * Disable it - Signet of Humility, Blackout
 * Rend touch is a spell, so it won't work against shadow form. --Kale Ironfist 22:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * doh, good call - thought it was a touch skill like a bites. And that was one of my biggest selling points as I see it a lot in R/TA.  Hey let the annoying touch ranger steal his health.  They can go fight in the corner :) --Phoenix

Perma Shadow Form Still Not Nerfed
Muhahahaha. Still works fine.--<font color="Green">Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So long as it's harder to do, I think ANet did what they meant. :D And as a small aside, people should run Expunge Enchantments and Signet of Disenchantment more often. Assassins generally don't mind losing their self-heal for a few seconds, and it rips off multiple enchants, right through Shadow Form, Spell Breaker, and Obsidian Flesh... Signet of Disenchantment makes you lose all your energy, but on a Mesmer, you've got at least ten ways to gain that back, and as a Warrior/Paragon, you generally don't need the energy to begin with. Dervishes can also bring Rending Touch, which is better then you might expect, as is Winds of Disenchantment. WoD is particularly useful for ripping off stuff like Aegis, providing you've got enough enchantments on yourself. And Grenth's Aura is pretty nasty with Pious Fury. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  06:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Its just as easy, all you have to do is relearn your timing. It in no way affected how perma shadow form works. The new timing on the skills is actually easier imo. And btw, rending touch = spell, so it doesn't work vs. shadow form.--<font color="Green">Teh Uber Pwnzer 22:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah right, I was thinking Touch = hit. Still stuck in Touch = Expertise mode. :P But Expunge still stands as a hugely underused enchantment removal skill, especially on a class that has big trouble with blocking enchantments ("oh noes, my lead attack missed! I'll just sit here for five minutes while it recharges"). You know what's fun? Recall 'Sin vs. Expunge 'Sin. Make sure to have the /wave emote all ready to go. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  02:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I carry Expunge Enchantments 100% of the time on my warrior. :P It's a ton-o-fun. Especially against cocky dervishes, E/D elementalists, Shadow formers, 55hp monks, and 130hp dervs. What's that? all your enchantments are gone? Aww... and you thought I was a warrior and couldn't do anything against your "pwnzorz" build. =D 76.173.217.181 06:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Factions Pets
I ditched my White Tiger cause it was so tiny when Dire, and took a White Moa. Now they made Factions pets grow! Bleh, jus my luck. -- -- (s)talkpage 13:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, I also evolved a Dire White Tiger... BECAUSE it didn't grow. I don't want a big pet - now I'm pissed. Tain 14:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyone have a pic of how big Phoenixes get now? Comparable to Rainbow Phoenix? :o (I wish...) &mdash; [[Image:NessHrinIcon.png]]  Ness  19:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a pic of my lvl 20 Imperial Dire Phoenix on my userpage O.o <font color="Green">X Deity X  [[Image:xdeityx.png]] 22:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I am so gonna start playing my ranger again, now when the normal phoenixes r bigger. 78.156.200.109 17:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Frak, they get that big?! I better check my white tiger on my ranger then... And my tiger on my sin :P Oh, and I may need to consider a phoenix as well... 69.235.235.101 22:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The hell?!
This update screwed something up big time... Copper Elf 22:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

yeh i cant log in either--Chris1645 22:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Same fR0z3n.S0u1 22:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Pre-Searing works, but nothing else for me...90.15.138.190 22:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A friend of mine had this since yesterday, but it only started for me just now after the update a few mins ago >< Copper Elf 22:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I've got a similar issue now- I can log in, but the second I load a place, I get an err 007 --Kalas Silvern 22:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Some programmer spilled coffee into the authentication server I bet. Copper Elf 22:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Error 007: James Bond has killed all of the server admins. Please find a new MMO to play. Twitch3z 22:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad I always check places like this before I disconnect and download them. I know better than to not expect the idiots to screw stuff up. lol ~  <font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  22:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, in the end you don't really have a choice.... Copper Elf 22:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

ahh unless you got error 007 it shouldent of been the glitch/. oh and paras dont suck you just need to learn how to use them.message me if you want to look at my buildorao del caprio the leet para 12:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, but I can play a while still till they fix it. :)  ~  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  22:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I started by getting err=19's but now I get 007's. Seb2net, too lazy to login 84.48.184.130 22:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

"Fixed a bug that allowed some characters to leave pre-searing." Rette Alarix 22:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * now noone can leave pre-searing it seems ))) (oops, it was me fR0z3n.S0u1 22:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Well, they can't enter either :) Copper Elf 22:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

My userpage will explain what happened. Swift Thief 22:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I lol'd ^^ Copper Elf 22:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * GFJ A-net way to screw things up PheNaxKian 22:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not Anet's fault. They got hacked. Swift Thief 22:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * By this point, they should have had better security. ~  [[Image:UserJKougar sig.gif|User:J.Kougar]]<font color="#9300fa">  J.Kougar  22:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Any official statement on that? fR0z3n.S0u1 22:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Srsly though, a hack on Anet would be epic. Copper Elf 22:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

FIX'D! Seb2net 22:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

New build available. Checking out. fR0z3n.S0u1 22:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC) reanor 22:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I lold pretty hard ^_^ Copper Elf 22:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

omfg ALL OF YOU NOOBS it was 10 minutes... TEN FUCKING MINUTES. obvisly all of you are just looking for something to complain about. for god sakes. it might of been a little error in there coding, because even one small mistake can fuck over everything.orao del caprio the leet para 00:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey! GW:NPA. Don't be so grumpy with ppl, we don't tell you how n00b you are by playing a Paragon and advertising in your sign, so don't come "n00b"ing us. And it's not a little thing, it was actually a subliminal experiment with our minds. During those few minutes our mind started thinking "mmm, GW1 is off, I'll sure buy GW2 when it comes out...". That's why they did it.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 02:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I was in the FoW and suddenly my game froze so i had to get off. Could this have been caused by this bug? Havent gone on since.--Murderer bomb 15:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Update 10-20-07
It seems to have killed Guild Wars, Some sort of insta-disconnect. Anyone know anything? -Call Me Phlanx
 * have a look a few lines up. It's all about it >< fR0z3n.S0u1 22:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Srsly /fail
What's with all the people inserting random bullshit into Update Notes? Pretty lame >< Copper Elf 22:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The official wiki was way worse until they locked the updates page. I have some funny screens of the comments. -Malcheior Sveth 22:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Please share...hehehe.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 22:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha indeed, please do :) Copper Elf 22:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Omg, they had to lock the update page. Lamez! Copper Elf 23:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Lolofficialallright.JPG]] Yeah I know the language is bad, that's about the worst one they had. It was up a good 10 mins before anyone noticed xD -Malcheior Sveth 23:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I lold. ^^ (Third time today, Wiki ftw) Copper Elf 23:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Game Crash
Official wiki speaks of an exploit that could be used to crash the game for all players in an instance. Anyone know anything 'bout this?Copper Elf 23:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone had an external program that he could crash other players on their team. Some clown at Guild guru decided they were the official spokesnobody for anet/ncsoft and decided to administer the contacts between the guy with the program and Gaile.. Then bitch at everyone about discussing it in the thread.  Much talk about banning happen and how they won't get banned because they were pointing out a flaw.


 * I still think the guy who had the program should have any and all accounts banned since he was using the program to send packets to the GW servers to begin with.

V 23:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Right, what exactly happened there? No updates there >< <3 at the awesome userbox though :) Copper Elf 23:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Suits it a bit better. ~ <font color=#DDDD00> <font color=#FF9900>Gold <font color=#DDDD00> <font color=#FF9900>Dean   - 00:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 4th time I lol'd! Wiki = win. Copper Elf 00:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

This was the issue: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10210024 &mdash;  <font color=#000080>kyrasantae   04:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The initial patch that caused us to DC could have been server side, we wouldn't have seen that

I can't log in, still
I didn't know this was a big issue, I am having this problem (disconnections and lots of code 007 and tons of lag) since few days ago. I am know seeing this update and read what it was about, but I still cannot go beyond the loading point, I will investigate further, but can someone tell me quickly 'what THE HELL is going on'? --66.98.85.30 23:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

thats just your computer, anets servers are being buggy there may of been a hack, by someone and its causeing server issues.


 * Yeah, hack, sure... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Skill Nerfs
Don't know how anyone missed it, but Beguiling Haze has been nerfed. It used to interrupt and daze target foe, now it just dazes with no interrupt. 82.4.229.138 01:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * On the page for Beguiling Haze it says that it is bugged and only interrupts spells, perhaps you tried it on a skill?#
 * No, it doesn't interrupt full stop now, look at the description for the skill in game. It says "Shadow Step to target foe, that foe is dazed for " " seconds". Before it used to say you interrupt too, now it doesn't. 82.4.229.138 12:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Speaking of the skill updates, looks like anet aint changin any of the skills back to the way they were... been a week now... 76.170.188.190 16:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * SoR and Keystone were reverted, and DP was changed again. So, they did change some back, but you're right in that I don't think more changes are coming. Tain 20:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Siege Devourer Bug Fixed
Well, the fun has ended. For those of you who missed out on taking advantage of a full party of siege devourers (and thus have no idea what the bug fix was about), it has been immortalized in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWgzCNY31h8 155.33.149.193 04:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC) Rayala]]
 * This update makes me sad. 8 sieges was loads of fun. Good thing I already maxed out agent. :/ Randvek 15:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate Skills
Quote: "There are now duplicate skills at the Priest of Balthazar which you can buy with faction, yet you can only use one of them. Not every skill is like this though, only certain ones. Most of them are associated with the other same skills like Searing Flames, Glowing Gaze, and Liquid Flame."

So what exactly does this mean? That skills like, for example, Desecrate Enchantments and Defile Enchantments cannot be used with each other? That would be major suckage... Can anyone provide some more info on this? I'm currently in UW so can't test it. --Progger 11:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked, the 3 skills listed don't have duplicates so I think it's utter bullcrap.

--Macros 11:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It had been fixed; the duplicates were skills that were used in Costume Brawl. &mdash; [[Image:Fin_sig.gif|User:Kyrasantae]] <font color=#000080>kyrasantae   21:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Give me my points, Kun Shao!
I mean, i assume he is in some way meant to allow me to redeem them. Instead, he just tells me i have 25 points. And that's it... How did it work last time? This is my first time having made predictions through the Tournament House.
 * For some reason, I read pants instead of points. I lol'd... Tain 17:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He told me I earned 75 points. Maybe you earned 25? --[[Image:Hero_command_Fight.jpg|18px]]  mrguildboi (:  00:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, i know i have 25 points. Just, well, what do i do with them?
 * You have to be on a pvp char to redeem them
 * Tried pvp and pve. Neither gets me anything other than him telling me how many i have. I'd just accept that i need more before i can redeem them, but i recall that there is only a limied time to redeem them, which makes their existence at an unredeemable level seem a little farcical.

Go to the tournament npc in the great temple of balthazar, get your account registered under a name of one of your toons, then talk to him again. you'll get the points and you could redeem them at the tournament guy for pvp skins, or for golden flamed of balthazar, (15 points each), which can be sold for around 2.5k each. Foo 17:06, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Twins are gone
The double NPC bug was just fixed a few minutes ago -Ezekiel 00:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Accessing Storage without Xunlai
How did they do this? Did that mean they were able to access their storage whilst still in Pre-Searing?Khazad Guard 00:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably the same way they where traveling to the guild hall, by sending fake packets to the server... &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 12:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * http://presearing.com/ &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 12:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

it was the same pablo guy who was sending fake packets back and crashing people etc. its all messy. he reported it to gaile (thank god) but then made sure everyone could see his black moa chick and tomes in ascalon district 1. glory seeking ftl..... asshole. 82.17.88.176 20:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Was that the guy who tried to make it sounds like he was an angel for reporting this to Gaile and didn't seem to think using an external program should get him banned? Asshat The Thief (or something like that) felt he should take the responsibility of handling it with him on the forum and no one should discuss it.
 * angels don't report bugs of that magnitude on a public forum on a Saturday. At the very *least* he could have kept this bug, which had obviously been open for a year or so, to himself until a normal work day, and not can a bunch of programmers weekends.   --Blackdog 02:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * People such as that are to be pitied, banned quietly and then forgotten, calling them assholes will just drive their determination to ruin other's fun.--<font color="Black">Sefre  [[Image:Sefresig.jpg|15px|]] Talk*Cont. 02:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow HB maps in RA
Guess Random Arenas wasn't dead enough. I can understand giving them a shot in TA, but there is no where NEAR enough organization in RA for HB maps. Not sure if they even belong in TA, considering HB is about survivability and capping while arenas are about eliminating opposing teams.--Goldenstar 00:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Bloody agreed mate, went into RA for a joke and loaded up some HB map. My entire team was running around following me couldn't understand that we can't just stick together. Bad Idea please remove this T_T;
 * word . Nytemyre 14:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * i am totally with you guys on this. HB maps in RA/TA further the notion that only cookie sins and r/p's is what you need to play to be effective. mesmers and espcially spirit-based rits will be even less desirable to play. HB maps will change the focus of arenas for the worse. change it back! --Bellis 18:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The shrine based maps were ruined as soon as people found out they could cheat there way through by playing shrine holding hero builds.
 * Get that crap out of Arenas and take one more step, either get rid of capping maps in Hero battles or create a new Hero team Arena for people who actually want to fight with heroes, not run around with cookie cutter holding builds....--<font color="Black">Sefre  [[Image:Sefresig.jpg|15px|]] Talk*Cont. 21:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Guess ANet finally found out how to nerf RA. Now we can cap shrines in EVERY SINGLE FORM OF PVP(AB,HB,Isle of wurms for GvG,shrine capping for HA,now this for TA/RA).  Honestly, if people liked these kinds of maps, they would go play in AB or HB in the first place!  GG ANet. 71.31.151.96 23:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

How to check account for bonus mission pack
Exactly how do you check to see if you qualify for bonus mission pack via 'edit account'?


 * Go to the access key bit, and look in the upper list.... --[[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (s)talkpage 18:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

HAHAHAHA!
I just got the awesomest bug ever! I went onto my monk after the halloween event (it had been left in Costume Brawl) and i ended up in monastary overlook at the very beginning of the Factions campaign but as a level 20. I dunno wut to do. Its purdy sweet though. (I'm currently testing my sig so im not going to use the squiggly things)--One Three Three Seven
 * That happened to me too after leaving my Assassin in a EotN location after the preview. Guess it does that after you land in a invalid location, and it can't find data of the last other location you visited. It kicks you back to the start. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 03:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It put you in monetary outlook? When I logged on my Ele it put me in chabek village, the outpost not the tutorial zone elonion characters start in.--<font color="Black">Sefre  [[Image:Sefresig.jpg|15px|]] Talk*Cont. 03:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Is your monk a Canthan character? If not, that might be a handy note for people looking for Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer, since events that let you in there aren't very frequent. [[Image:Bigrat2sAvatar.jpg]] <font color=#00BFFF>Bigrat2  <font color=#1E90FF>Talk  03:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It sends you back to the starter town of your characters continent. This is because in the past when they removed holiday areas, people who were in them were stuck until they went to their guild hall. You can imagine this being a problem for guildless people. --Macros 03:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course. =P Not so much of a bug then. [[Image:Bigrat2sAvatar.jpg]] <font color=#00BFFF>Bigrat2  <font color=#1E90FF>Talk  03:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe this is the first mention of it on guildwiki --Gimmethegepgun 04:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a bug. Just a safety measure. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 09:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I still find this strange. It happened again with my rit (who is also Canthan), but none of the doors will open so there is not much you can do. When you try to proceed with the Instructor NG thing you can get up to about where you pick up your qeapon and equip it, but then he stops and won't say any more. --[[Image:GW_Dismember.jpg|50x19px]]<font color="Black">One Three Three Seven 12:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)