Talk:Animal companion/Archive 1

This page is pretty similar to Charm Animal as it is. I'm thinking either we link to Charm Animal from here, or move the bulk of Charm Animal's "usage notes" to this page, and link to this page from Charm Animal. Thoughts? --Midk 09:26, 3 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * I guess move the notes to here and then link from there to here. --Fyren 09:32, 3 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * Sounds good, I'll do it right now. --Midk 09:36, 3 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * Hmm, shouldn't the list of charmable creatures be moved here, too? --Eightyfour-onesevenfive 18:04, 3 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * Its no more like charm animal. but it has to be merged from charm animal

add content
add some content from the link in "See also" please


 * Looks like you removed a lot of other information too. Why? &mdash;Tanaric 20:43, 3 Aug 2005 (EST)

I just added a link to the See also as well - much of the data here is wrong, correct info is in that link. -Epinephrine

Correction?
"A pet will "never" reach a higher level than its owner."

This is not true. I tamed a Melandru's stalker when I was level 4, the pet started out with level 5. After some time I leveled up to level 5. After some more time, the pet leveled up to level 6 while I was still at level 5.

I guess that pets level up at the same speed as players, and that it just seems that pets never reach higher levels than their owners because most pets, when tamed, have a lower level than their owner. But that's really just guessing. Psyringe 23:28, 18 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * This makes sense, especially if pets don't get quest or mission XP (as stated in the article). As a result, pets would generally lage behind their owners.  But yes, it's very possible to get a level 5 Melandru's Stalker when you are still level 1.  --JoDiamonds 16:41, 24 October 2005 (EST)

I'd like to point to the Guide written by Jenosavel and Epinephrine; http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89491 it details many aspects of Animal Companions and shows that many aspects listed here are incorrect; in particular:

- Armour values - Damage types - Pet Evolution Stats

The Pet Evolution Methods list on the wiki lists incorrect causes for evolution changes - Dire is not associated with pet attack skills, nor does Hearty have anything to do with player damage.
 * I would liek to point out that, the article's mention of pet skills are as a mean to affect overall damage done by the pet. Thus, it's completely consistent with your summary of have the pet deal more damage than you to move it towards Dire.  Your own writeup also specificallly mentioned that it's hard to judge whether the damage dealt by the master (in relation to damage dealt by pet) has effect on evolution, and is hard to immediately dismiss.  Thus your comment above seem to imply you have reached furthur conclusion that you did not reach in your original guide.
 * It does make intuitive sense though that damage "tanked" would push a pet towards Hearty. -PanSola 00:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, my testing indicates that pets gain experience at least twice as fast as players, covering the jumps between levels in many fewer kills than a player would need. This is particularly easy to test with a low level pet. - Epinephrine


 * I highly doubt this. Remember that by default, low level characters/mobs/pets gain exp faster ANYWAYS.  Your theory implies that, if a ranger, right after reaching level 5, tames a level 5 stalker, and the ranger do no missions whatsoever afterwards, the stalker will hit level 6 first.  Unfortunately I don't have the character slots to personally test this right now.
 * Finally, your armor values do make sense. Pet has essentially warrior-class armor without additional bonus to physical attacks.  So it's 20 + 3*Level. -PanSola 00:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, it's ironic that, much of the "incorrect" info here seems to be derived from the " *Updated* Ultimate Pet Guide" on guildwarsguru where Epinephrine is from ^^" -PanSola 00:59, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Dire Pet
Thanks 70.121.104.96 that is some GREAT stuff. I wanted to confirm something. You said the Aggressive pet has +1 dmg and -30 health, but then the Dire pet has +2 dmg and +60 health. A typo or a fact? --Karlos 05:54, 15 Oct 2005 (EST)

Pet DP
Somehting I have always been curious about, do pets suffer DP? --Karlos 16:36, 22 October 2005 (EST)
 * Really difficult to determine. From personal experience, I believe that they do suffer from DP.  --Rainith 16:51, 22 October 2005 (EST)

Pet Evolution
The main pet evolution research is conducted at Beastmasters: Grand Pet Survey. If you read the last dozen or so pages, you will see strange results that are not entirely explained. We should revert to a version that accurately reflects the state of the pet evolution art, rather than maintain one that is verifiably false. If you think it is well understood, try evolving an Aggressive pet using the described methods on something like Charr outside Piken Square.

--Daulnay 1:20 pm PST, October 24 2005
 * See above "Corrections" section for Epinephrine's research on evolution. I propose a simple theory: Pet damage dealt vs pet damage taken.  Which ever is greater will push evolution in that direction.  Of course this is completely untested whatsoever, but it's simple and elegant and seems to be able to stay consistent with the observations that lead to the development of other theories. -PanSola 00:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Strider / Moa
On other sites, it's been noted that Striders effectively are Moa Birds, and that they have the same damage type. I'm not actually sure which it is supposed to be, except that someone had produced a version with a typo that made them different at some point. --JoDiamonds 09:03, 25 October 2005 (EST)


 * Yeah, that always struck me as weird, how canone do piercing and the other do slashing. But, which is the correct one and which is the typo? (My guess is piercing is correct) --Karlos 16:35, 25 October 2005 (EST)
 * The "typo" comes from the Prima guild IMHO, and generally it's hard to test the difference anyways. I'm going to revise that section with Epinephrine's research. -PanSola 06:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Pet armor...
In the pet armor section, pets with lv 1~4 were listed. Do low level pets actually exist? -PanSola 11:55, 29 October 2005 (EST)
 * In pre-searing some (if not all, I can't remember) pets are levels 1-3. --Rainith 12:08, 29 October 2005 (EST)

Category
What can this go under? not skills because it isnt strictly charm animal 04:20, 4 November 2005 (EST)
 * We don't need to put everything in a category... --Rainith 04:31, 4 November 2005 (EST)

Pet Skills
I vote dumping them into a category and just linking to it. I do NOT want to see the current list in the article expanded into a table within this article, though wouldn't mind seeing a separate article containing that table. -PanSola 06:22, 8 December 2005 (UTC)