User talk:R.Phalange

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First whatever 18:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Last.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake 2.gif|19px]] 20:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Invalidated. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Children, talkpage spam is evil immoral annoying, so please stop it. --◄mendel► 22:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you understand, Mendel. You're an everlasting beacon of hope for me. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  22:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Put up or shut up
If you claim to be active, please get to work. There's plenty of things to do. If not, just go away. 14:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lighten up. You aren't the patroller of all things admin. If he thinks he's active enough to sit in the active column, who the hell are you to tell him otherwise? If you've got a problem with him being not quite as active as your preferences call for, take it up on here. "Hey, you're listed in the active category, yet all the other sysops who are have made blah amount of significant, recent contributions or an edit in the past blah days. You sure you're around?"
 * That kind of stuff is fine. It lets him know you're watching, but also that you're there to help. As it is, you aren't here to help. Your behavior is as disruptive as trolls on GWW. Please rethink your purpose here on the wiki. - Auron 15:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To be fair, the contrib list is in his favor..... --JonTheMon 15:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been thinking the same thing, myself, but hadn't had the chutzpah to actually post it (thanks Felix!). In the ruckus following R.Phalange's promotion, Auron argued very vehemently that he did it because the wiki desperately needed another admin, that the wiki was going to stagnate and die if we didn't get a "mover and shaker" to counteract it, and that R.Phalange specifically should be that new admin (okay, I paraphrased greatly there, but that was the gist of his argument).  Yet... how much has Phalange actually done here?  I have seen nothing to support Auron's argument - in the almost 2 months since his promotion, Phalange has deleted 3 pages, restored 1, and not performed any bans or prots.  I'm not saying that admins should be required to utilize their powers on a daily basis - that would be silly - but Auron's expectations of both the wiki's demise and the need for Phalange's sysop status have clearly not been fulfilled.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * One of the lessons learned (chatting with R.Phalange on IRC helped me here) is that it is not simple to transfer your role from one wiki to another. Realizing that, Phalange wanted to shed the brains12 image and created a new identity (I'm not calling it a sockpuppet because he stopped using "brains12" long before he started R.Phalange), but then behaved in "admin-ish" ways. Had it been known that R.Phalange was really an admin on another wiki, he might have been met differently, generating comments like "this is not GWW" and "you're just a user here", but as it was, some ill will was built up. The circumstances of the promotion then put R.Phalange in a difficult position to start moving and shaking from, if that was his intention.
 * The role you are able to play in a group or community is shaped to a large degree by the community and how it sees you. It is not enough to see yourself in a certain role and to intend to act that role, or to transfer a role from one community to another. The role you play in a community is sort of adjusted until it fits both, and if you try to jump this adjustment process you may be given a role you never wanted and that may require a bit of work (and time!) to change. --◄mendel► 07:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well said. R.Phalange, if you haven't been as active as you'd like out of choice or out of extenuating circumstances, that is one thing; but I have doubts that you are satisfied with the way things are currently. So I'm going to take a leap of faith and guess that you either don't feel welcome here (see header) or that you feel all ready and raring to go, but don't have the support you anticipated. For the former, there isn't a lot that can be done beyond patience, but as you can see this can be interpreted many ways. To the latter, know that at the least, Auron and (for whatever it's worth) I still believe in you, and we are willing to help with whatever you have in mind to do. You can't force anyone to help you if they don't want to; but at the same time, no one will ever help you if you don't tip your hand at least a little and show them what your plans are. Suggestions, for example, would never fly if those were secret projects buried in the dark recesses of the Wiki; instead, they are made prominently public, and due to that they have some willing helpers such as Dr Ishmael and Mendel. Now, I know that's an oversimplification, but I think you'll understand the basics...it's a give-and-take relationship. If you are more open to the community, they will be more open and receptive to you and your ideas. Try floating a few test balloons and see what people think. Maybe they'll be shot down; maybe they'll be enthusiastically embraced; but either way it is much better than staying silent. If you truly care about and value your position here, as I know you do, you'll know that you can't make real change alone...so even if you aren't out to make friends here, at least try to cultivate working relationships. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello again
Although I do not believe I will ever be able to trust or accept you, I would like to apologize for the comment that started the above section. I felt insulted that you had reverted my change to administrator information without so much as discussing it, when to my mind it was perfectly reasonable, and so I responded in the same spirit. I do not want you to leave the wiki- in fact, I would be very happy to be able to work alongside you. It's just that you don't seem to want to do that. 09:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)