Talk:The Deep (mission)

I hate ANET for introducing elitism to Factions. It was perfectly good without having to worry about crap like this. Chuiu (T/C) 17:06, 6 May 2006 (CDT)


 * They introduced elitism with fame way back when. This is just the end product of a long embrace of elitism. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 17:18, 6 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I'm talking about in Factions though, Fame is more of a prophocies elitism since people just getting the game, factions, wont be as active in HoH. Wait ... can they even get to HoH without prophocies? Chuiu (T/C)  17:23, 6 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I'm sure they can, in theory. Dunno if anyone has managed it yet. By the way, you might be interested in this gwguru thread (now closed -- yay heavy handed moderation). All but the standard reflexive contrarians are dissatisfied with this design. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 17:30, 6 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Access to UW anf FoW is done through Zin Ku Corridor. The statues are at the back of the place. I do agree that this is elitism and I hate it and in fact, it has strongly changed my view of the game when I learned about it. More on that later. --Karlos 17:39, 6 May 2006 (CDT)


 * After nearly a week of alliances operating, it can be safe to say that ownership of towns has completely flopped. There is one alliance that has held Cavalon nearly continuously for nearly the whole time, and around three alliances that constantly switch hands in House zu Heltzer. In the case of Cavalon, the holding alliance has shown terrible community spirit, charging ludicrous fees for access to elite missions- on the order of 50k/head. They are the first alliance to have figured out how to keep the cost of Cavalon up in the millions of faction, and I predict that the alliance that will dethrone them will have figured out how to keep the cost nearly always maxed at 10 million faction. This will require a scary level of dedication as each member of the alliance will have to generate several rounds of 10K faction every day, but I am sure there are players who will do it. People who have not spent the last six months in the game networking with these mammoth alliances have no chance in hell of ever seeing these elite missions. Sad fact is I am sure Arena Net considers this exactly according to design. F G 12:11, 7 May 2006 (CDT)
 * They run the Luxon supply quest. You can get 400 Faction in about 3 minutes. Nothing else can compare to Faction gained per minute. --Ravious 12:18, 7 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Yeah I abused that quest during the FPE to help get a 15k piece of armor and bump up my guilds rating. I thought it would have gotten nerfed by the release though because any warrior, ranger, or even monk can do it.  Chuiu (T/C)  12:36, 7 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Interesting. You mean the Luxon Supply Lines quest? So they're pretty much an alliance of 24x7 package runners? If true, I've just lost all respect for them. F G 14:44, 7 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Yeah, you can read their forums. Looks like they've got some pretty exclusive rules about how things are run there. This thread sums it up: http://battleforums.com/showthread.php?t=118360
 * And actually, they don't charge to get into the mission- they have a strict policy of not allowing anyone who isn't in the alliance into the mission, and also a policy of not selling Zodiac items to outsiders. But then again, it's their alliance, they can do what they like. I just hope a more community friendly alliance takes Cavalon soon. Xaque 19:31, 10 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I actually was at E3 and talked with the designer who was in charge of the setup for the elite missions. It is not their intention to lock out any player from being able to attempt the elite missions if they wanted to. The designer praised the XoO alliance (who held zu Heltzer at the time), as they were very open to allowing others to try the mission. However, he predicts that should any alliance keep people out, animosity will build up against them and spurn angry rivals to ban together to take them out; backlash will hurt them in the long run. His long-term goal was that having access to the elite missions won't be as glorious as it is now considering hardly anyone has seen them yet. Once the novelty of being the sole occupants of the mission is gone, he predicts future alliances will not be as stringent about letting people in. However, should the trend continue and people are regularly blocked out by future allainces, they may consider adding in an alternative method to gain access. So while they created the tools to make it possible, it is NOT ANet's intentions to have content unreachable by anyone. --Thervold 16:42, 16 May 2006 (CDT)


 * This is the fastest way to gain faction, faster than even the quests. 8k faction in 20-25 minutes. :) But after beating both Amatz Basin and Altrumm Ruins and breaking our own records many times, we are starting to get bored. :(
 * [[image:New_high_score_Altrumm.jpg]]
 * --Karlos 10:52, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

Of course there is going to be some degree of "elitism" in Guildwars. 15k, FoW, Ranks, Titles, ladder rankings etc are all forms. The game wouldnt be very fun by competitive means if less talented individals received the same benefit. --The King Tarosian 21:17, 9 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Its not simply broken down to less talented 'individuals' so much as alliances filled with active individuals who daily contribute to the alliances overall faction. Say you have a guild, or even alliance, of casual gamers with a few active ones.  There is no chance at all for any of them to get into and experience the elite missions because their alliance will never have enough faction to claim even the smallest town let alone the 2 main cities.  Less active != less talented. --209.34.209.155 13:25, 11 May 2006 (CDT)

The BB allience requires 1 hour of faction farming from every member or they get kicked. yes, it is very scary. Isn't this thekind of thing anet said they were trying to take out of momrpg's? Luckily, there are team players like TC.


 * All I have to say to this is that it isn't true, and that I find it disgusting that so many rumors are flying around about both the TC alliance and the BkBd alliance.


 * It's not a rumor, it's straight from The Black Blades Alliance's forum... --theeth 20:46, 14 May 2006 (CDT)


 * No that is a lie. The faction farming was only required if you planned on going to The Deep.--71.236.97.221 07:06, 19 May 2006 (CDT)


 * It isn't a lie. We're talking about the elite missions, The Deep being one, and so yes, faction farming is indeed required. That's kinda what every post has been about for quite a ways up... -Auron of Neon 19:22, 31 May 2006 (CDT)

The Crusaders
Since the Crusaders have taken Cavalon, they have let people into The Deep as part of their party. I am not sure if they require faction donation or whatnot, but I guess they do not--Life Infusion 21:29, 14 May 2006 (CDT)
 * No its a free ferry in. Theres usually someone in the international districts advertising a free ride in. [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C)  02:07, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

One of the Taiwanese alliance is letting ppl in to the HzH Elite mission (which still doesn't have an article?) for free too, though I don't know how often they actually hold HzH. - 02:11, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
 * They did let me in for free and several others who asked as well. They have been holding HzH for a few days now (at least always when I checked). The article is here btw: Urgoz's Warren. --Xeeron 05:00, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I call that a super-stub, not an article d-: - 05:02, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Well, I added nice pictures to the talk page =P --Xeeron 05:48, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

The Gap in the page
Can someone (Skuld?) look into fixing the gap at the start of the page that resulted from the ToCRight? --Karlos 21:22, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Not seeing any gap in Firefox, I'll check it out in IE. --Rainith 21:46, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Yikes! That is a giant gap in IE.  Does that show up in any other pages with TOCright?  --Rainith 21:47, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Ok, fixed by moving the TOC under the cleanup tag. --Rainith 21:50, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Sometimes it does in other pages (namely when people put images and then section headers after them), but I remove them as I see them. I couldn't figure out this one. --Karlos 22:51, 24 May 2006 (CDT)