GuildWiki talk:Misspellings

Skuld, check this shazaam out: User_questions/Archive_1. Ok I'll admit, a lot of the end bit is me getting overly excited and scaring everybody off but before I did that, it sounded like using either Commonwealth English or American English is fine as long as it's standarised throughout the article (PanSola, Rainith and myself seemed to agree on this). I've had that tip for ages on my user page (not that things are on my user page are policy, I'm um just saying!). As a Brit, to write armour on Misspellings, shame Skuld, shame! :P --Xasxas256 07:47, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Oh right :p I have no shame! *stamps on kittens* &mdash; Skuld  08:25, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Don't make me start clubbing baby seals to get my point accross! Actually isn't Japan getting closer to ending the ban on commerical waling a disaster? Hmmm this probably isn't the right place to discuss this is it? No seriously can we set up an official policy that: Commonwealth English or American English is fine as long as it's standarised throughout the article but in game terms should have the same spelling as the game (which is generally American English). --Xasxas256 08:41, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

You're welcome. And I corrected the spellings on some of the words I spotted along the way, too. --BarGamer 19:37, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Well, looks like that's all of them. Added a note in the 5 "Armour" pages so that people don't go and break the images, trying to correct them. --BarGamer 19:11, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

Capitalizing profession names...
I've read about many things in the GuildWiki about professions, and see profession names sometimes capitalized and othertimes not. Which way is more formal when editing? Sorry for my newbie question. :) Just curious. --Talonz 00:43, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
 * They should be lower case &mdash; Skuld  09:17, 7 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I disagree, most in-game text has them capitalized. Especially in quest dialogues.  --Rainith 11:12, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

The names of the actual professions should be capitalized. However, the word profession in and of itself should not really be capitalized. At least not if you are following standard grammar syntax. ErkDog 22:39, 6 November 2006 (CST)
 * Capitalized I would say, ingame professions are capitalized so if we use ingme american annoying spelling then we have to use ingame american annoying capital letters. That hardly makes sense I know :P--Edo Dodo 12:53, 23 November 2006 (CST)

Defense vs Defence
I've always used the later and dictionaries seem to list it as ok, but the game (Whirling Defense at least) uses the former. Should we leave it as either goes like armo(u)r or go with the skill? &mdash; Skuld  13:48, 22 July 2006 (CDT)

&mdash; Skuld 01:32, 30 July 2006 (CDT)


 * FWIW - General American spelling is Defense. Defence is what is around de house.  --Rainith 01:54, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Defence is a British variant of Defense. The game uses Defense, and this is a US(en) Wiki. consequently defense should be used in lieu of defence. I have added the relevant search item to the page. ErkDog 22:34, 6 November 2006 (CST)
 * Technically, wouldn't "defense" be the variant? :P -HarshLanguage 13:56, 24 November 2006 (CST)

I prefer Defence but the game says Defense so Defense it is.--Edo Dodo 12:16, 23 November 2006 (CST)

Judgement/Judgment
I don't agree with this inclusion. Judgement is not spelt wrongly; it is just a variant. Also, whether or not armor/armour and the like is misspelt is subjective.
 * Nobody said you have to. I changed all of the spellings to Judgment anyway, so, I guess it's not a problem anymore. --Mgrinshpon 08:30, 27 September 2006 (CDT)

Whilst to While
I made an edit yesterday, whilst to while, and I considered adding whilst to the misspellings page. There seems to be conflicting advice on this page (commonwealth vs american english). Anyone have any thoughts specifically about whilst? Kai 11:13, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
 * The guideline above is pretty much the same as Wikipedia's. If a page is consistent in using either British or American English, leave it be.  If it's mixed, then it should be made consistent.  --68.142.14.106 11:17, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
 * That being the case I'm going to remove the brit words from the Misspellings page. Any objections? Kai 13:50, 4 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Oh, one other sticking point is we try to use in game terms. The game uses American spelling for certain things, so we also do.  Armour and favour probably shouldn't be used because of this.  --68.142.14.106 14:12, 4 August 2006 (CDT)
 * How hard can it be to make Armour articles redirect to the appropriate Armor article? It's an easy job whenever you find one. --Sunyavadin 01:01, 14 September 2006 (BST)

Gray/Grey
based on the recent dicussion in the Grey Giant article maybe this one should go on the table? --Lemming64 19:32, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
 * This is not exactly a misspelling, but a difference between American and British spelling. The game uses American spelling. And on this wiki we use the spelling that the game uses. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 09:22, 20 November 2006 (CST)

Yep, any instance of a word actually used in game must also match that spelling. ErkDog 13:02, 20 November 2006 (CST)

Cutscene / Cut Scene
Cutscene is akin to alot, spellcasters, etc. It is two words which have been inappropriately 'smashed' together, and found it's way into mainstream use. Alot, just like cutscene does not appear in the dictionary and as such should be separated whenever it is found. If it was an acceptable variant it would appear in the dictionary and indicate as much. I added the relevant search query and even changed a few articles already. I also created a redirect for Cut_Scene -> Cinematic. If you navigate to to Cutscene on WikiPedia it redirects to Cut_Scene indicating only that cutscene is so widely and inappropriately used that a redirect has been created on WikiPedia, for the mere purpose of "finding" the article. ErkDog 22:46, 6 November 2006 (CST)
 * Skuld, Cutscene does not appear in the dictionary. Further more, you did not check the talk page before editing.  Please advise. ErkDog 07:54, 20 November 2006 (CST)
 * Ironically, Wikipedia's article starts with "A cut scene or cutscene is ... ". And if you google for "cutscene" you find a lot of results, mostly related to computer games, from many renowned websites. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 09:05, 20 November 2006 (CST)

Well, just because a word has entered main stream use doesn't mean it is actually a valid word. However, I suppose the consensus should be honored and I agree that Cutscene could be removed. ErkDog 13:01, 20 November 2006 (CST)
 * Depending on your viewpoint, that is exactly when it becomes a valid word. --Fyren 19:35, 20 November 2006 (CST)
 * Exactly. Language is dynamic. New words are coined for new things, and spelling and grammar changes. Otherwise we'd all still be writing like Shakespeare or Beowulf. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 03:25, 23 November 2006 (CST)

Heros/Heroes
This one just hit me. Heros/heroes. I had no idea heros was a correct alternative. I should have checked before I went checking for mistakes and "fixing" them. In game it seems heroes is used, which makes me look a bit better. Does this warrant being added to the list? There is only one page left with heros (I only edited four) - BeXoR   19:58, 19 November 2006 (CST)
 * Does anyone have any thoughts on this? - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 18:53, 22 November 2006 (CST)
 * Since "heroes" is used in game, I say we stay with that. AFAIK that is the more common spelling (I may be wrong, maybe that is just the American spelling).  --Rainith 22:09, 22 November 2006 (CST)
 * I just noticed that there isn't an actual entry for "heros", it just redirects to there as a plural I suppose (or because heros is the greek origin). It does say "n. pl. heroes". My 50 year old Oxford dictionary ( :D ) says the correct plural is "heroes". I just figured "heros" was American cause I'd never seen it before. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 23:13, 22 November 2006 (CST)
 * Heh, just checked dictionary.com and according to that "heros" is only correct when referring to multiple hero sandwiches, "heroes" is the correct spelling for all others. --Rainith 23:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)
 * Weird, dictionary.com is what I was using and it just redirects me. No message about sammiches. Merriam Websters says "3 plural usually heros : SUBMARINE 2" whatever the hell that means. O_O - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 23:28, 22 November 2006 (CST)
 * Hint for using dictionaries: Don't search for plural words, search for the singular and the plural forms will be listed. --Rainith 23:30, 22 November 2006 (CST)
 * Owned. :( - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 04:46, 23 November 2006 (CST)
 * Heroes. 99% 100% sure.--Edo Dodo 12:50, 23 November 2006 (CST)

New "hero" question: what about Heroes' Audience and Heroes' Ascent? Both have redirects from Hero's (in place of Heroes') but I assume that's for convenience, not for correctness (as they are official places names, they should match the game). I fixed a few already, but is that something that should be added to this page? -- Peej 13:34, 25 January 2007 (CST)
 * It should only be corrected if it's a grammar error outside of the game, IMHO. As has been said before, we stick to what the game uses, so I don't think place names and such should be corrected. (Well, unless someone here is for starting a movement to 'correct' the in-game spelling, that is. ;D) If it's an incorrect possessive plural it should be edited, if the game indicates it then it shouldn't. As far as I'm concerned it can be corrected to mirror the game. -- Elveh 11:25, 4 February 2007 (CST)

Faction(s)
"Since faction is already a plural, it is stupid to say 'Factions'." &larr; this obviously needs rewording. For starters, the second campaign of the very game that this wiki is all about is called Factions! Furthermore, there are numerous examples of words that are plural ín the singular version (if you know what I mean), but still have a real plural (if you know what I mean): People(s), group(s), ... -- 09:22, 20 November 2006 (CST)
 * "There are several factions in.." "I want to gain faction standing with.." Depends on the usage. I think this is a redundant entry. It's grammatical, not a spelling error anyway, right? I think the "it is stupid" part should be removed, seeing as that's not very kind or objective. Maybe change it to say something about checking whether it's meant to be plural or singular. Dunno. :S - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 23:17, 22 November 2006 (CST)
 * I removed the entry for the reasons above. Actually, I had never read the page before (to say nothing of this talk page) and stopped dead at Factions->Faction... it was out of line and out of place. Checked the talk page and saw I wasn't the only one who thought that. -HarshLanguage 14:02, 24 November 2006 (CST)

Plauge vs Plague
This is a common misspelling, perhaps it should be added to the list? Lady Ryln 08:46, 21 November 2006 (CST)
 * Ryln, feel free to add things, if someone doesn't agree with you they will bounce it and open a talk item :) But you are correct. ErkDog 16:54, 21 November 2006 (CST)

Spellccaster
I apolagize if creating a new section for this is not allowed. Anyway, if you run the search for Spellcaster it will say "You searched for Spellccaster", I checked the link it says the search was for Spellcaster so why did it search for Spellccaster? Anyone else had this problem? Can you please check?--&#123;&#123;n}} &#91;&#91;Edo Dodo]] 13:08, 23 November 2006 (CST)

lol you could have checked yourself. But I fixed it. ErkDog 19:56, 23 November 2006 (CST)

Thanks, I checked the text but it said the search was for spellcaster (in the link I mean), odd. Trying out my new signature, sorry if it messes up.--~Edo Dodo~ 02:17, 24 November 2006 (CST)

Is spellcaster the correct way to spell the word?
According to dictionary.com spellcaster (one word) is the correct spelling. MS Word does not recognize the word spellcaster. Wikipedia has an entry for spell-caster (RTS) and spellcaster. Unfortunately, I didn't check until I'd replaced a few entries with the two word version. I would think the one word version is correct. Think automaker not auto maker. Flesh Over Steel 17:23, 4 December 2006 (CST)


 * http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=spellcaster -> The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.  Spellcaster is not a word.  It's not in any common spelling dictionaries.  It is two words. ErkDog 19:26, 4 December 2006 (CST)


 * Also according to dictionary.com it is NOT a damn word: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spellcaster -> No results found for spellcaster. So if you are going to cite references, make sure they are correct.  There is an encyclopedic entry at reference.com for the sake of defining the nomenclature, but spellcaster in and of itself is not a word, nor is it spelled that way, it is two words. ErkDog 19:29, 4 December 2006 (CST)


 * Fortunately, dictionaries don't define languages, the people speaking the language do. Googling for spellcaster returns about 540k results while "spell caster" returns about 110k. --Fyren 19:51, 4 December 2006 (CST)


 * Spellcaster (as one word) is definately part of the lingo of the RPG community. Take the D&D Players Handbook as a reference, it contains the word spellcaster about 108 times. --MRA 09:14, 5 December 2006 (CST)


 * Aren't we meant to use American English in any case where the game doesn't give us precedent? If it's not in the game, use spell caster. A lot of words are slang/lingo/whatever, but it doesn't mean they are correct. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 01:05, 6 December 2006 (CST)


 * Here's what I've come up with after a little "research":
 * Websters does not have an entry for spellcaster as ErkDog pointed out. It also has no definition of | cast/| casting in reference to spells. However, his second | link shows a "Did you mean this?" | link for Spellcaster. I don't think Spellcaster is a proper name, but whatever.
 * Google could be used to show how ofter a larger group of people use the one word version.
 * While I believe most RPGers would recognize both spellings, we are trying to standardize this Wiki and this is not D&D. (I hope this doesn't sound harsh, it's not meant to be.) I've said the word(s) countless times while RPGing but don't remember how I would've written it, mostly thanks to this discussion.
 * I don't know where I saw a discussion on language, but IIRC there was an agreement to use American English and Commonwealth English.
 * From this Wiki, the one word version is used for the Elementalist, in the first line, but not for the Monk, first line of third paragraph. "Spellcasting" is used for the Mesmer, second to last line first paragraph. This should have some weight since it shows what the community uses as shown by MRA.
 * The last thing I found was in the | Prophecies Manual, bottom of page 47 in the description for Lyssa. Didn't find any cases in the other two manuals. I used the search function of Acrobat and did NOT read the manuals. If someone wants to read them, please respond here.
 * I would think the last point would indicate we should use the one word version. Check the capitalization of skill listings, which are written as they are shown in game. I'm not going to do any changes anytime soon, but it would be nice to see this resolved. Flesh Over Steel 01:15, 6 December 2006 (CST)
 * If it isn't American English or Commonwealth English, and it's not in the game, why would we use it? The community would understand any spelling error, but that doesn't stop us from correcting the others. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 01:22, 6 December 2006 (CST)

Multiple-word terms
Can we do an exact-match search for a multi-word term? If not, I suggest taking out the search for "silver armor" (->sliver armor) since many pages mention both silver and armor, and if so, I suggest adding "hero's ascent" and "hero's audience". -- Peej 10:06, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Word variants
As far as I can tell, the wiki search does only exact match searches; therefore "preperation" won't find "preperations", nor will "resurect" find resurection, resurects, resurecting, resurected....

A google-type search with the added terms -"Talk:" and -"User:" seems like it might work, but a search for "sheild" that way returned a result that was fixed over two months ago.

Anyone have any suggestions besides just adding all the variants we can think of to this page (it appears that's how wikipedia did theirs, though)? -- Peej 09:57, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * I've just added a lot of variants. After about 15 in a particular letter, I think we should move that letter to its own page.  I did that with R already, and P is next. -- Peej 08:41, 31 January 2007 (CST)

Alphabetization
Technically this doesn't matter at all, unless the word lists get so long you start worrying about duplicates, but it might as well be established: should words be alphabetized by the correct spelling or the incorrect spelling (I vote for incorrect, since it's first on the line, and since there can be duplicates of the correct spelling but not incorrect, and hey, I think I just answered my own question :)? Also, for words like resurrect (3 misspellings, and lots of variations of each: -ed, -ion, -ions, -ing, -ed, etc) I find spacing out the list a little helps me keep track of where I am since they all look about the same; I suggest if a section needs breaks, that letter should have its own page and/or (probably and) maybe all letters that have their own page should be spaced out in groups of 5 or so (although it's somewhat nice to have, say, each resurrect-misspelling-group together, even if it messes up the 5-spacing a little). -- Peej 08:55, 31 January 2007 (CST)

Contractions
This isn't spelling per se: But if you're feeling especially motivated one day... :) -- Peej 09:56, 3 February 2007 (CST)
 * Arent: Aren't
 * Cant: Can't
 * Couldnt: Couldn't
 * Didnt: Didn't
 * Doesnt: Doesn't
 * Dont: Don't
 * Hadnt: Hadn't
 * Hasnt: Hasn't
 * Havent: Haven't
 * Isnt: Isn't
 * Shouldnt: Shouldn't
 * Theyre: They're
 * Wasnt: Wasn't
 * Werent: Weren't
 * Wont: Won't
 * Wouldnt: Wouldn't

Builds
Is editing the spelling of builds fair game? I see tons of misspellings in builds but don't know whether its either useful or allowed to actually fix them. I DID, however, finally find one misspelling on the Minion Master Guide (is that how it goes??) where 'defense' was spelled 'defence' :D Go me! Was at a Mac school computer at the time though, so couldnt sign in :( God I hate you, MAC!--Nami 18:33, 1 March 2007 (CST)


 * Builds are fair game, however due to the more fluid nature of them, I tend to take into account a few factors before making any "major" spelling/grammar changes to builds: how long it's been around (I give the original author a few days time to cleanup their own stuff, because I know sometimes the first post or two is a rough draft and it'd be sort of annoying to have people already editing it while you're still trying to); whether it's marked for deletion, or looks like it might be soon (in that case, why bother?); if it's frequently changed (a section you fix might not even been there the next day).


 * If you're just talking about a single fix, just go for it, but from what I've seen, almost any build which gets linked to from a link on the Misspellings page almost always needs a lot more spelling/grammar work. ;)
 * -- Peej 15:37, 1 March 2007 (CST)


 * Sorry, the signature and line icons are so confusing. Is it a LINE or a SIGNATURE?? AAAH....
 * OK, so does one need to fix every single build that has misspellings in order to put 'checked'?--Nami 18:33, 1 March 2007 (CST)


 * That's the idea. Make a note if you leave one unchanged (like it's marked for deletion or was intentional or whatever). -- Peej 18:57, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Honour vs. Honor
Which one is the correct one? As an American, I've NEVER seen Honour used outside of American sources. Unless it is used in the game this way, I say Honor.--Nami 18:50, 1 March 2007 (CST)
 * If it's a word used in game, always use the game spelling. In general, people end up changing British spelling to American anyway.  --Fyren 18:54, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Absorbtion Absorption
I have fixed all of the Absorbtion Absorption misspellings.Redearth 16:37, 8 March 2007 (CST)

Silver Armor
I suggest taking this out of the list. It searches for the two terms individually, and after looking at about 40 pages I could find no true misspellings. The page already redirects to the correct spelling. (PS someone else please check the Rs, I can't look at recomend recommend reccoommended, etc, anymore) --Jasminethetender 16:14, 13 March 2007 (CDT)