GuildWiki talk:Suggestions/Galleries

Pro
Big pro: simple to implement. Install SMW and make dynamic galleries from categories with some template-fu. --◄mendel► 01:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

hmm
I have mixed opinions about this kind of thing. While I can see this being somewhat useful I can also see a lot of cons to it as well.

Firstly we already have pages with decent sized groupings of categorized weapons such a axe or sword. These are fully detailed in categorization and if you have some knowledge of a weapons name you can find its page/picture rather easily. I can also see this "gallery" being somewhat problematic for users with slower internet speeds, that is assuming your gallery format has many pictures on a single page. I also hate to say it but I think this kind of major page creation and editing lacks the right people who can stick to a large task. Granted there are some, but not enough IMO. Above all a project of this size would require several tons people who have access to a large amount of the items you want to document. I don't think anyone would raise a flag at using the pictures we already have, but I think we need a more uniform method of displaying weapons. Its a shame we cant display 3D models here on wiki because the code is not complex enough for that.. but alas.

On the upside, if such a project were to commence, I would love to spend hours working on it. And do you really think that page promotion is going to be a problem? We can always slap it on the homepage when its finished. ky™  01:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd love to support it (if someone bought me the weps), maybe we could make a signup page at the bottom? Roland Cyerni 01:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * POOF! And suddenly there was a sign up!

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 * I also don't see a use for it. I see that people may be looking for skins rather than names but for that just go to Axe (or item of your choice) and middleclick on all names (opens link in a new tab) and then browse through the tabs. That's how I did it in the past and with time comes knowledge anyway and you know what an item looks like just by the name. --Birchwooda Treehug 17:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If I do that with the current state-of-servers, it'll take well over 30 minutes just to load the pages, not factoring in that my computer is AnciEnt, with a capital A and E. Besides, I often have to check a page before I know the skin, and I've been playing for >33 months. Memory differs greatly from person to person. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  17:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hm, true. I guess I've been a trader for too long XD (Gotta know the skins by heart). Well even when I don't see a real need for that I'm not particular against it (means I've no cons, but maybe the load... loading so many pictures at once... esp. for spears). --Birchwooda Treehug 17:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Remind me
Please keep remnding me to get to work on this about once a week until I get around to it. --◄mendel► 19:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Test page
See [GuildWiki:Suggestions/Galleries/Axes (test)]. --◄mendel► 19:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

The test page is now functional (though ugly) in that it shows every Axe with every skin. If a naming scheme is decided upon, this could be spread across the wiki now - maybe to Axe/Gallery, Hammer/Gallery etc.? Doing things with attributes for rods and staves requires slightly more work.

Getting the images to line up in an orderly grid can be done with some manual copy & paste, or maybe a subst:, that is done whenever the information changes. I can implement that if asked.

Doing a list of skins, listing all weapons that have a particular skin, can be done offline from a page export. I can do that if asked if I have time. --◄mendel► 14:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * To make it look like a table, without actually using a table, you could just add a height to the outer &lt;div>'s style in Template:Gallerybox. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Implementation commenced
Phase one is completed, we have working weapon galleries for the martial weapons. Notes: Suggestions are still welcome, the galleries are easily changed. --◄mendel► 11:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC) (amended 12:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC))
 * Talk:Axe/Gallery has the discussion about the test page now (move that here?).
 * Bug: the first column is not top-aligned. This seems to be a DPL bug, I am not sure if it can be configured away using existing DPL options (there are about 50 or so).
 * Bug: The gallery columns have different lengths. The reason: each column has the same number of items, but some items have more than one skin, which creates more pictures. To fix it, either of the two points below this one need to be implemented (or the gallery has to be de-automatized).
 * We could order the gallery by skins, listing the weapons associated with each skin. A "skin=" parameter is not needed on the infobox, the image1= - image5= parameters do that (we can modify the infobox to display the names if desired). How much demand is there for that?
 * We could have each axe/skin collection on its own page, as drop locations etc. may differ as well. If that is done, the gallery will update automatically as long as the new pages are in their proper weapon categories.
 * The thumbnail format can be set separately for each gallery, I have done that for the Sword/Gallery. The Bow/Gallery still has some uprights, if these were replaced, that'd be a good candidate as well. It is no problem to make templates for custom sizes.

The martial weapons are done. The shields are done, but don't display their attributes yet.
 * I suggest replacing double pictures with two separate pictures, if possible. If these are different skins, use image1= and image2= ; if the second is merely another view, do not put it in the infobox but use an image tag with |thumb|right to add it to the article.
 * If vertical screenshots and double images are eliminated, it would be an improvement to display the thumbnails in landscape. The bows, scythes and the hammers are almost there.
 * Please suggest how we want to handle shields, staves, wands and focus items. Would a small profession icon next to the gallery picture be sufficient? --◄mendel► 18:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)