User talk:Warwick/Archive 44

Welcome
To my talkpage. &mdash; Warw/Wick 19:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy f**k you have a lot of archives.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]ìğá†ħŕášħ is hosting a beauty pagent! 19:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Ahem
"Imo its usefulness already pretty much got killed when the builds wipe occurred" Then dont look at it and leave the red links be, whatever... --- -- (s)talkpage 18:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically, I'm trying to make it useful again. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 18:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to make a bot to take care of this by rewriting the links to point to PvXwiki. The exact article may not exist over there either, but at least it will clean up Special:wantedpages without the need for a bunch of redirect articles.  (Why must you archive so much? >.>)  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. I suppose thats a pretty good system really. It could just point (eg say somthing like "For builds see here. The Builds wipe cleared all builds, and moved them from GuildWiki to Pvx". Seem good enough? And Giga, You only just noticed? :P &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What I was thinking was to take a wiki link like W/Rt UW Solo and just change it to W/Rt UW Solo so that I'm not actually changing anything except where the link points. There's no need to add a link to the buildswipe page.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not totally sure if we can do that, since a) Pvx: links, afaik, dont work- pvx:Main Page. Apart from that, it'd probably be quite a lot more practical to do that, though yeah, if you can get a bot to do that, it works well- Though it'll probably take longer, and more RC spam. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That PvX Main link worked just fine for me. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, I had no idea. Perhaps we should just link to the Main Page of PvX? Because most of those articles don't actually exist on PvX. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just an fyi, im offline now. :p. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It would need to be pvx:Build:W/Rt UW Solo . Linking to the build namespace is important ;) Also, just adding one pipe at the end of an interwiki link makes the pvx: part not show.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 20:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm, I thought I'd tried that pipe trick a while back with Wikipedia links, but it didn't work. Either I didn't do it right or maybe that's one more little thing that got changed by Wikia.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Main Page seems to work fine.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 20:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yo
Done and Done. Contact at will.American Wrath 06:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Since you're back
"Viper doesn't really care". Rong. I just have a social/emotional disorder which really gets in the way when I'm discussing crap. (hadn't read it before, missed it cause of archive) --- -- (s)talkpage 19:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha. Meh. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Me three (and four) tbh, but meh. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

wiki drama
In the interests of avoiding wiki drama (which you are so concerned about that you feel it nessecary to hide discussions) I am hereby requesting that you do nothing to deal with the builds and stuff in the wanted pages at this time. If you have an idea, you can post it in the Community Portal for discussion. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 19:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Truthfully, what does that have to do with the builds section? That was just a spring point for the drama- It'll always get there. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you'd really like to avoid drama, just stop taking unilateral action. Propose every single change before you make it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That is so impractical that it is just.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ofcourse you wont need to propose to add a dot to some sentence, but the big things (like clogging RC with creating redirects to erase them from Wantedpages) should be proposed. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 19:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

small FYI about Commands
means it shoeld me moved to "Chat command". Note the lower case and singular form :) I'll move it for ya. --- -- (s)talkpage 15:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah *Poke*. anyway, would you mind getting on msn? I need to discuss somthing with you. And rik, if possible. And RT, but hes afk. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Meh, suppose I can. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 15:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

o_O
What's with all the build pages?-- - (Talk /Contribs ) 15:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

um...
Why are you recreating the build articles again? I thought the consensus was that those articles were not needed. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 15:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I was under the impression that we'd agreed to post a direction to PvXwiki for builds? Isnt that what you were making your bot for? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you alright with me carrying on with it? If not, I'll stop. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, the bot is going to edit the links themselves instead of re-creating the articles. And now I'm going to have to re-re-delete all those articles you just made in order for the bot to work.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm really sorry, Ish. I'd misunderstood what it was that you were going to do ;\ &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway, apologies again, and if you think its disruptive behaviour, ban me. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So I herd I was right.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 15:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * about.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Replacing links instead of recreating them.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 15:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You never said to do that.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I said we should instead link to the builds in PvX.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 15:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Link to the builds in PvX != Change the links to link to PvX.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I won't even try to make you understand.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 16:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Purely for Knowledge reasons
Since I Already know theres about a 0 in 1000 chance of me being promoted, I want to know the opinion-

   Would May Make A Good Admin?

Yes

No

No maybes, please. &mdash; Warw/Wick 16:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

+-poll Random Time  17:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No poll. MayBot 19:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is what RfA's are for. Haven't you had your fill yet? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not gonna rfa again. I just want to know. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 05:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Stop spam
Get bot Random <font color="Black">Time  17:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You just said I could in MSN! :( &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 17:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For a little, no more please, it's spamming rc <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  18:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * +1. Could you at least do it when the wiki's dead, at like, 1 am PST? [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 19:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have asked warwick to do these things:

edit as maybot, change edit summary and run at 1 per 15 (it's in the bot settings) <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  19:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would ask her not to do that until (unless) maybot is given bot status. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

kids these days...
"If no-one opposes this in the next 30 minutes", what the?? Back when I was responsible for proposing some massive changes on the wiki, I used tostirring up trouble for GuildWiki in terms of massive changes, I used to wait for 7~14 days, and was still considered a troublemaker by some.

If you want to blank your own user page, yeah 30 minutes of "if nobody opposes" is fine. A major action on the wiki that is a pain to undo deserves more than one day of notice, and a final 24 hour warning. The ability to learn from experience is part of the factors of "Would May Make A Good Admin?", and I hope you prove to be so, since you are an admin even if not on this wiki. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 19:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * D:.. I'm impatient though! At least this time I actually gave warning that I was going to do it :( &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I do see a positive step towards improvement, which is better than nothing (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * :D &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just as a note, I disagree with all of the reverts. Usually, if it has a picture, skills, levels and profession, and description, its not a stub. There might just not be any notes, and it might not have any drops that are worth noting (Eg special drops). &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've counted, like, twelve so far without skills and/or HM level and/or description. And at least twelve more without pictures.  zzz. [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 20:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its called Bot Editing. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's called "manual work" --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 20:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, its called Bot Editing. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:05, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless it has all the info from the Style guide, it's a stub. Please quit, unless you're adding in the info. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't run a bot to edit things that require judgement. It prevents fuck ups and a lot of RVing. Lord of all tyria 20:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not doing it anymore. Gonna use it for default editing, much faster and I get normal edits. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Botting
Just want to make this clear: if you are botting, use maybot if you are yourself use warwick <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  18:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We've discussed this on MSN, RT. I'm just using AWB to help. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 18:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Aka I'm checking to make sure I dont screw up totally. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 18:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please wait for concerns to be reached, it may take more than a day - this is a warning <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  19:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ish sez 1 day, I give 1 day. and you're somewhat saying it differently on msn. Stop the bluff, we all know its fake. :D &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Then I'll say it. If you act in a potentially disruptive fashion without attaining consensus again, administrative actions will be taken. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Quote: "You need to give at least a full day, two would be even better," some emphasis added &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha. Well.. Uh.. Okay, 2 days next time, I guess. :D &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Felix, "Potentially Disruptive Action" my foot. What I did didn't do squat (btw, wheres loats edit?), and +1 its not my fault you didn't read the community portal- You were there when I put it up. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You've been warned, regardless of whether you remove it again or not. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the comment made by felix that was removed in a previous edit by you may. Lord of all tyria 20:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The key word is "potentially" - undertaking a task that will edit 100s of articles without first receiving community approval is a "potentially" disruptive action, because if the community decides it doesn't approve of the action, then 100s of articles have to be reverted. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No-one opposed it though :(. And Felix, this is going to turn out like the Builds bull, isnt it? You're going to warn me about somthing, then give no reasoning for the warning, repeat you've given your reasoning then leave. what am I being warned about? The community DIDNT OPPOSE IT. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You can interpret it however you like; I won't insult your intelligence by repeating myself again. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (EC)And no one agreed with it either. You're just inciting drama every time you or felix go on the same talkpage, I don't care who's fault it is; so why don't you both stfu if the other is already involved? Its getting ridiculous. Lord of all tyria 20:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree with loat. And here it is again, Felix warning me about somthing yet refusing to give squat in way of proof, support or anything.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish I had the luxury of stfuing, but it's my job to prevent people from harming the wiki. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And here he goes again, totally ignoring what I've said, and going on about some duty crap. And fyi, Felix, in no way did it harm the wiki. It just wasn't useful. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Rt warned you; you ignored it, so felix reiterated said warning. Both of you drop it, or go back to the original topic. Lord of all tyria 20:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

LoaT is right, no one agreed with your proposal. Poki and PanSola even proposed a different way to do the same thing, and also do add a lot more useful stuff to all the monster pages at the same time. LoaT is also right in saying that both you and Felix need to let this conversation drop - every comment either of you make here seems to simply be inciting the other, and it'll probably end up with both of you getting banned. (I just got ec'ed 4 times trying to post this... seriously, shut up about this. >.>)&mdash;Dr Ishmael 20:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Felix and I have a long standing hatred. :D &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Then you should have learned by now how to ignore him. And he's not the only one warning you - while I may not have used the word "warn" explicitly, I thought I was getting the same point across with my comments.  Since that didn't work: I am also warning you to refrain from undertaking any potentially disruptive activities (as I defined them above) without getting community consensus first.  And that doesn't mean "wait exactly 24/48 hours, then if no one has disagreed, go do it."  It means waiting for everyone who has something to say about your idea has had a chance to say it, and yes, sometimes this will take longer than a couple days.  You have shown yourself to be a very impatient person, but either you learn to be patient or you risk bringing up issues like this again and again until you are finally perma-banned for it.
 * Geez, I've tried to stay out of this issue since being made an admin, not wanting to be accused of "flaunting my new-found power around," but I guess I'm finally caught up in it. >_<  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * :D &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * >.> What exactly is that supposed to mean?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Cookies if you can find the reference. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ugh... mind linking to the section you edited in edit summary? <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  20:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to play games with you. I've said what I have to say, so I'm leaving this discussion for now and going back to deleting unused images. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

General rule of thumb: If nobody disagreed with you, but the number of ppl agreeing with you is barely a handful (ie, significant number of people have not expressed an opinion), and you feel it's about time, add another note explicit warning people that lack of opposition would be seen as endorsement of whatever the relative majority opinion is, THEN wait for 24 more hours.

The way I usually do it is to put up the explicit warning on the 6th day so I get to act after 7 days has passed (on an issue that ppl aren't commenting on and not opposing). -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 20:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay, Pan gives useful [advice]. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: don't take the above and interpret it as you can explicitly warn ppl about abstension=endorece majority on day 1, so that you get to act after 24 hours of no opposition. In terms of TOTAL time, that is still not enough for the community to react and respond.  The explicit warning is given AFTER sufficient time have passed such that most ppl interested in the issue should have read about it already but didn't make a comment. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:44, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3 days, warn on the second? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe my rational for 7 total days was because there might be ppl who only drop by on the weekends, or on certain days of a week (assume at least twice a week), so a 7-day total period gives those people a chance to notice the issue too. Thus, I highly recommend 7, or however many days there is in a week (could change, you never know). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha. Another troublemaker, eh? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Bot On GWW
If you want to launch it, you need to request it on our noticeboard. But so help me you better gain conceus b4 u make large edits their, GWW is my baby so don't mess with it, unless it is approved :D. Read our bot policy (which asnt be launched yet but we still use it as a basis). Ok that is what I have to say :o) -- Shadowphoenix  20:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ... yeah &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Flowers.
Nova told me to get you some. <font color="#FF44AA">♥ <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="turquoise">Mis <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="orange">fate <font color="#FF44AA">♥ 02:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I dont get it. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 06:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)