User talk:AudreyChandler/skillbins

I'm Diggin' the Skillbins
This is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping to find when I first started playing: one stop shopping that could help make sense of the 1000s of skills in the game by organizing them into utility bundles. (I've been trying to use Excel to organize along parallel lines, so I can find e.g. the skills that do AoE/DoT, the better to choose between them based on total dmg, side effects, or resource costs). Thanks for posting this. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 06:07, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * lol wow, I'm just being neurotic as usual. Well, okay, there's a motivation here but it's pedantic and overcomplicated. But anyway... that's great if someone else finds it useful! :D Feel free to browse / steal as you see beneficial. In due order this will cover all the professions. (of course I tend to use my own random terminology so lol, it might not make a great deal of sense) -- AudreyChandler 06:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Keeps Getting Better
Wow! I can't tell you how much I appreciate the work you are doing with the skillbins. I think this is much more useful generally than any of the other sorting principles I've seen to date. This is going in my patented shortcuts page as soon as I update. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 02:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I like that you chose to organizationally make this a tier 3 subsection, assumedly on the basis that it is technically a new thought while still overtly being a continuation of your original comment. That's nice, I don't usually see tier 3s on Talk pages. -- AudreyChandler 04:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What is it about? And why is the presentation complex?
Don't get what that content is about and don't see why that content couldn't be changed to being more "simple" to use, etc. 72.148.31.114 00:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) It's not necessarily meant for general consumption; User:AudreyChandler put it together to visual organize skills by function and utility, rather than attribute or meta-usage (which is how GWW and GWiki organize skills).
 * 2) It was created when GWiki was still hosted by Wikia and bases several design choices based on features/limitations that were available there. Those did not translate when GWiki moved to curse, so, notably, the base article is borked — you have to investigate one/more of the subpages to see what she was getting at.
 * 3) She didn't finish. I think only about half the professions got any substantial coverage...and not everyone of those was completed. IIRC, mesmer and elementalist got mostly done...so you might want to start there.
 * 4) She also did not finish her annotations/legends, because she was still working out all the details and was waiting to be 80-90% complete (so as not to have to constantly keep that aspect up-to-date). Consequently, it's not always obvious why certain skills got binned together or what they had in common.
 * 5) It was starting to become out-of-date when she started working on it and subsequent skill updates might have made that worse.
 * 6) By its nature, it's trying to highlight complex ideas, so I'm not sure that there's a simple design that would get the job dnoe.
 * — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 02:45, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * don't see sorting though on it, which imo would help. 72.148.31.114 07:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we are not looking at the same article. The Mesmer categories are organized by importance (primary role → other → tradition trinity of damage/heal/tank → self-concern). Within each category, the bins are are arranged alphabetically. Within each bin, the subtypes are alphabetical. Within each subtype, the non-elite skills are ordered by attribute → skill name and followed by elite skills using the same order.


 * That's a degree of sorting that isn't seen much on GWW or GWiki. It might not be the order you would choose. Then again, remember point #1 above: it wasn't designed for general consumption. AC put this together to help her understand the relationships between 2000 skills with multiplex functionality and requirements. The fact that others (such as myself) found it also valuable is/was a delightful bonus, not a goal.


 * Let me emphasize that last point: this wasn't written for the main space; there has never been any attempt to present skillbins to be usable by anyone except the original author. I'm sorry that you do not find them as helpful as I. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 15:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)