User talk:Aludeni

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"Ish doesn't seem to realize that most want the changes in Headers and he wants to leave things as they are..." Please go back and read the last paragraph in the post that you are referring to. I specifically state that "I will not fight consensus" because I can set the style however I want with personal CSS. So yes, I do realize that other people may not hold the same opinions as me and will still want the changes as-is. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 16:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * When your actual comment to me, is viewed as if you're not for the change at all? You didn't need to write any of that, at least in the way you wrote. A better approach would have been... "While I know the community agrees with the changes, I do not agree with them and this won't bother me, due to the facts that I would make my own changes in the css." It would have appeared less "negative"... So I'm sorry, but I'm not going to change my view for you. Unless you can reword your statement better, then I would reword that. I'm not trying to be hostile about it, but it's how I view your comments - hence the word "seem"... Ariyen 17:02, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * So he's not allowed to disagree with a change? To me it seems like he put forth the reasons why, while still seeming to be a bit open. "My concern", "I guess I feel", "Maybe", "I don't know" all seem like phrases that indicate he's willing to consider other povs. --JonTheMon 17:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, people are allowed, but it's the way things are written that can be viewed as negative, etc. I was just saying that I'd rather it have been written in a better way. As it came off to me being worse than that it may want to have been "viewed/seemed". That part didn't bother me, it was the latter that made it appear worse than what I feel he was trying to say. Basically, this "I won't fight against consensus, though, since I can set what I want in my personal CSS anyway." was really not necessary. No one was asking anyone to fight against consensus. Consensus, imo, should be when the majority agrees - not everyone. Hence, the tone of that threw me to being negative... If he felt the need in saying that - as i said, there were better ways. I'm glad for opinions, just not when negative/not needed comments are thrown in there as those (like the comment I mentioned) tend to appear immature and that's a negative tone to me... Ariyen 17:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That phrase can also be read as "I kinda don't like it, but I'm willing to be on the 'losing' end of this argument since that kind of visual appearance varies person-by-person" or "I realize that a lot of others might like this, but it isn't my cup of tea. Since I can make my own brew, go ahead and change the pot". --JonTheMon 19:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * True it can be, but it wasn't read like that to me, because even if it's "Kinda" in your opinion, it's mostly immature in mine and "can" doesn't justify how it is read to me. Sorry if you disagree, but it was(and I've dealt with a lot of immature people online and in real life to know) to me pretty much an immature type sentence. That's my opinion and I'm not trying to be a hypocrite about it, but I feel if people have a problem with Mendel's responses (Which I do and easily state that more so in irc - pms, etc.)then they should look at the other side as well. I don't agree with either of them doing what they've been doing, but I don't appreciate people trying to get after me in irc and on here, due to me pointing out the obvious with Ish as well. All I've seen is Mendel don't do this, don't do that. When he's trying to get things changed, done. He does push too much, which you've seen my msg to him and that's one side of the coin. However, the other side of the coin is one backing off a lot in most discussions, not particularly Headers, but other discussions and most times doesn't respond at all, which can really irritate people. Especially, when someone is asking for a simple response. Doesn't hurt to say yes or no or a small sentence or two. I do admit that I do like the try some. I'd just would like people to work more as a team to get things done. Suggest advice, etc., if someone wants to help. After all, being negative in any response, even if meaning well... can hurt and cause disruption, issues, etc. Ariyen 21:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I do understand you better after this explanation. --◄mendel► 23:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)