GuildWiki:Request assistance/Archive 2

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Upload files
I've been getting an error when trying to upload files the last couple of days. Is it just me? The error reads: Could not copy file "/var/tmp/phpuIQn5M" to "/home/guildwiki/public_html/images/0/0c/Dual_Shot.png"
 * It's not just you. It's a known bug. -- 20:55, 17 February 2006 (CST)

How do you add an article?
How do you add an article? I saw a few areas that have the articles listed, but it doesn't say how to add a new one.
 * The way I know is this one: type in the exact thing you want in the "go" box. When you get sent to a search page, click on "this exact title". That should take you to the edit page for a blank article with that name, which you can start writing in. Make sure the capitalization and spelling are the way you want them to be (and check the search page just to make sure someone didn't make something similar with a slightly different name), and away you go! The article will be created when you save your changes. --130.58 04:54, 18 March 2006 (CST)
 * Another easy way is just to make a link with the title you want (e.g. on your user or talk page), then follow it to the empty article. That's quicker if you're doing something massive, probably. --130.58 04:56, 18 March 2006 (CST)

Category: Votes
I noticed, that the Category:Votes includes some archived discussions. Since they are no longer open/active, should I remove them from the category? ~ Nilles (chat) 06:33, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Yep if a vote has been resolved one or the other, go for it. They do need to be written up in Old votes however. --Xasxas256 06:35, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

undead prince rurik (hells precipice)
Can anyone give me tips on how to kill undead prince rurik at hells precipice mission and how to kill undead lich?


 * There is a pretty good explanation in Hell's Precipice (Mission).
 * The overall strategy using a Pug or hench (yes, it can be done with hench) is this:
 * Undead Prince Rurik: Lure the Fist of the Titans or Hand of the Titans first and kill them. Using henchmen, use a longbow and start backstepping as soon as you fire. For added security, make sure your Warrior hench have wasted their "Charge!" skills, so they do not go up too far and aggro Rurik and the Spark of the Titans. The backstepping should keep your hench from engaging while still luring the Hands/Fists. After killing them, go for the Spark of the Titans and leave Rurik be. While Rurik can do some damage, the damage the Sparks can inflict will be much more devastating. After they are destroyed, finish off Rurik.
 * Lich Lord: The explanation under Hell's Precipice (Mission) works good for a Pug and also for using hench. The difference that needs to be taken into account is with hench, you will need to pull back from the action to get them to stop attacking him from time to time, until he is on the bloodstone. When he is in place, start attacking him again.
 * This, combined with the article's walkthrough should help you to complete the mission. Goodluck and if there is anything else, please ask. -Gares 22:07, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

Image Submiting
Can anyone tell me how to submit images to an article of the wiki?For example I make a build and i want to show an screenshot of how it works.I would like to know how you do that.Thanks.Leader of Armys 21:02, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
 * To put an image in an article use this code: [[Image:name of image.jpg]] That would put the image with the name "name of image.jpg" in the article.  Then click on the red link for "name of image.jpg" and that will bring you to an upload page that will allow you to upload the image.  Before uploading any images, you might want to check the Image use policy or the Editing guide.  Also check out the style and formatting guide for builds.  --Rainith 21:13, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

Build Utility for New Users and PvE
I have a question and perhaps a suggestion. For what audience is Guild Wiki intended? I ask because, while the site is full of useful information about skill location, weapon types and etc, the build section appears nearly useless for all but very specialized purposes. If Guild Wiki is intended for long time players, and not intended for new adoptors of the game, than there is no problem with this situation. If the site is intended to be helpful to all Guild Wars players, than it seem to me that this is a problem.

And yes, I am a newb, or noob if you prefer, to Guild Wars and newly registered to Guild Wiki. I am, however, a long time gamer (very long time and I won't go into that for fear or revealing my age too much). As such, I can generally adapt to a new game quite quickly. But there are times when I would need some information about common build types and ways of combining skills. None of this information is available in the build section. Instead, it seems as if there are only specialized farming or PvP builds. Occasionally, a build will not be approved because it is too much like a generic class build, but new users will now know what these generic class builds are unless they are included in the build section.

My suggestion is that Guild Wiki include build intended for new users and/or general PvE purposes. This section will be particularly imporant for new users who are attempting to play through the PvE storyline. As it stands, all of the builds include Elite Skills that are not available to users who have not reached that section. Again, this effectively makes the build section useless for them.

I do not mean to sound derisive nor in any way demean the hard work of all of the volunteers who labor over this site, but it seems to me that by definition, a Wike site displays information. When information is not available, than the purpose of that Wiki can be called into question. Who are you working for?

That's all. Flame away and thanks for your attention.


 * If you want more general info, look at the articles in Category:Profession guides. As for builds, you can just replace the elite with whatever you want in most cases.  For more in depth consideration of skill combinations, look at the builds and either see which skills get used together often (or simply used often) and see what the text says about how to use the build.  There are 77 builds in Category:PvE builds, which doesn't include the ones in the farming, team, or running subcategories.  --Fyren 02:07, 26 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I also find this lack of starter builds a bit odd, but as an older player I haven't really spent any time considering adding them. But there is in a way no need to do this. The skills aquirable in the PvE storyline are very limited (maby not in Factions, but in Prophecies anyway) and everyone should be able to see easily the possible combinations. You can also check the skill articles themselves to see what kind of use they recommend. Although some starter builds should probably be present, it might take some time before anyone will add them. You might ask on the talk page of the Builds article, so a build oriented user might notice it. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 03:33, 26 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I don't think build articles are aimed at new users, but I don't think we should create "Starter build" articles. I would argue that until you have unlocked a number of skills, including elites, and until you've become familiar with the mechanics and terminology of the game, builds are not for you. In fact, my definition of a build is that it is a combination of any skills in the game in order to perform a certain task. If we create a build that uses only skills from Ascalon then it would probably be useless by the time they got to Kryta.


 * I know that this is perhaps an "elitist" viewpoint, but I don't have every skill in the game unlocked. I don't play Guild Wars that often, and I would love to try out some of the builds that have been tested, but I can't because I don't have the skills. This doesn't mean I think there should be some intermediate builds for users without all of those skills.


 * Saying that, I do think that there is a problem here! I think new users should be directed to the Category:Profession guides as Fyren says. These articles explain the benefits of certain professions. There may need to be articles explaining useful skill combinations based on early PvE skills.


 * Basically I think that builds should play a supportive role on the wiki, not a leading role. In my opinion builds are something for those players that have unlocked a lot of skills and really know what they're doing. If there are no articles that are suitable for new players then they should be created. If there are articles that are suitable for new players then they should be more heavily promoted.  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 04:13, 26 August 2006 (CDT)


 * There is one reason why we lack starter builds: About any build will do! Both Prophecies and Factions are very easy at the first missions, even more so if you read the advise offered here in the newbie/profession guides. The game automatically provides you with a set of skills via the skill quests and these usually form a good enough starter build. By the time you need to adapt your build to compete, you will have enough skill points to play most builds outlined here. --Xeeron 05:29, 26 August 2006 (CDT)

Excellent information here, so thanks. I had in fact read the Profession guide earlier and found them helpful, but lacking. It is clear to me now that the issue may be that I primarily play Factions rather than Prophesies. I've had a Prophesy account for a year or so but never got into it. When Factions came out, I returned to the game and enjoy it much more, possibly because I've never been a fan of general fantasy and the Asian fantasy theme appeals to me more. Thi.s Factions focus on my point may explain my frustration with the build section more

I have to disagree that in the early stages any build will do. Perhaps we need to define more clearly what early stages means. Getting through Nahpui with a bad build can be difficult at best, even with a good team. I find that GW seems indeed to be very very easy, until quite suddenly it becomes impossible without a thorough knowledge of your skills, your teammates skills, and the mission requirements. This is where I think Guild Wiki could be most useful in helping newbies get started with the game.

Thanks for the thoughtful responses, incidentally. I was prepated to be flamed and instead found the responses so far to be insightful and interesting. I appreciate you proving me wrong.


 * Factions is indeed not very starter friendly. You don't gain skills from skill quests, but you have to buy them from the skill trainers. After you get from the Shing Jea Island to Kaineng Center, the skill trainer there will teach you most if not all skills. The game from there on isn't really meant for beginners anymore. The Factions campaign just has a too short area for the beginners to learn to play. :( But generally after reaching Kaineng Center you will be able to duplicate a lot of the build in the wiki, although some builds really need the elite skill mentioned. However, you can easily make your own variatons of many builds without those elite skills. If you still feel that you want to learn to play better before continuing with the Factions storyline, bring your character to the Prophcies storyline. That way you'll be able to play a little more in the easier areas and even get some skills fro mthe Prophecies skill quests. After that you could return to thhe Factions storyline. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 03:25, 27 August 2006 (CDT)
 * It is a point that there is nothing in GuildWiki catering for the section of gameplay between pre-searing/Shing Jea and having all skills and elites. In Factions, it's a massive culture shock for new players, and there's little we can help with that, but in Prophecies it's a slow process of gaining new skills and knowledge. A new player is forced to play through each stage with only what they have - and there's currently nothing in GuildWiki to help. For example, I found Ignite Arrows very useful for much of the game, and I only stopped using it as I got Apply Poison and then, of course, Barrage. However, there is not a single build in GuildWiki that uses Ignite Arrows (check the use of the image).
 * The Profession Guides are completely useless for a new player: for example, the Ranger one has "Types of Rangers"... "Barrage/Pet". I didn't even know Elite skills EXISTED until I got to the Desert, and here's a guide which shows the 'only' ways of playing a profession as with elites.
 * What might be useful is to change the Profession Guides to show a new player some example builds using only the skills available at each stage during the game (eg: Ascalon, N Shiverpeaks, Kryta, Jungle, etc), which would ease them into the game.
 * Secondly, a page explaining some basic team concepts, like the roles of the different Professions and some basic strategy, might be useful. -Ellisthion 19:29, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Feel free to create such pages. :) I personally don't have time for such tasks now that my studies at the univeristy begin. (In 2 hours :P ) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 23:53, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
 * On Ignite Arrows, since the AoE nerf it is much less effective and unless you don't have Kindle Arrows or want physical damage there isn't much neeed (though Read the Wind is better for physical.. ;P) &mdash; Skuld 05:04, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

Custom Sig.
Hey, I couldn't find this anywhere else, but it might exist since I didn't look too long. But my question is this: How do you create nice custom sigs like Gem, Rapta, Bishop, and others, witha picture and links? I tried looking at their sigs on talk pages and trying sum stuff out but nothing is woking for me. I always get something like ]] or something like that with it all being a link to my user page, but not being an image. So...can anyone help me out here? Thanks a lot.--Azroth 23:10, 25 September 2006 (CDT)


 * You need to make a page called User:Azroth/Sig and add your sig there. You can look at User:Gem/Sig for example (a complete list of sigs is found here). Then go to your preferences and change Custom Signature to and tick the Raw signatures box. That should be it. Then when you add  ~  at the end of your comments your new sig will appear. --Xasxas256 23:33, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Cool, it worked. Now just one more little bit to finish this up.  I added the #redirect User:Azroth tag to the image in my sig, but it wont work.  Can anyone tell my why and how to fix it?  Thanks again.&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||Azroth]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk:Azroth]]  00:39, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
 * It works :) &mdash; [[Image:Fin_sig.gif]] kyrasantae  &#91;t |c &#93;  00:12, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
 * I just posted on your talk page :P Oh well I'll answer this here, the redirect works fine for me and I remember someone else having the same problem. I think you just need to clear your cache. --Xasxas256 00:15, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

Hmmm...works now lol. Must have been because I was using back/forward buttons to edit and test edits. My bad :P&mdash; Azroth    00:39, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

Test post.
I've never used the __NEWSECTIONLINK__ instruction before, so I want to make sure it works as intended. &mdash;Tanaric 11:55, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

Column question
How do I put a section of a page into a column format like in the builds sections without using a table like on the Editing guide? Sorry if this is a noob question :)&mdash; Azroth    00:11, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Builds section? You mean Builds? Those colored boxes in columns are accomplished using tables one after another. -- Ab.Er.Rant (msg Aberrant80) 00:14, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
 * No, i mean like in the untested and tested pages where the names of the builds are in three columns.&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]] 13:35, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Those pages are catgories. Category pages are like that automatically. If you want columns for a page, you need to use tables, just leave the background color as white. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 13:39, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
 * ok, thx.&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]] 22:57, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

(next 200) broken?
Hey All, I was wondering if anyone could explain to me whats up with the (next 200) link on the untested builds section? It often doesn't work for me. I heard someone mention it might have to do with IE, which makes sense since i can NEVER get this link to work from work (IE) but it also doesn't work sometimes from my home (Firefox). Is there a browser setting I can adjust? Or some other way I can get to the second page? Its really frustrating when I can't get there. -- BrianG 22:01, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
 * From what I've heard, it happens when you aren't logged in. If you are logged in it should work.  --Rainith 22:09, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I've heard the same thing, never works when I'm logged out but always does when I'm logged in.&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]] 22:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Ok thanks all, that makes sense since I never sign in from work. I wish there was a way around this as I try to avoid signing in to sites at work since I'm not supposed to be surfing  ;) -- BrianG 12:58, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

Deleting images
Hi, can someone tell me how to delete uploaded images. Ive uploaded some images for my page, But in dont need them anymore. Tnx


 * Only administrators can delete images and pages. Edit the page and add  to the page and it will get deleted :) &mdash; Skuld 14:11, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

Too many builds
Well, since this is the "Request assistance" page and I need "assistance" I'll post this here :) FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HELP ME!!  I'm going through the Untested Category testing and voting on builds, but there are just so many and so few voters.  There used to be more, the builds section used to be held in check.  But with Rapta taking a break and most people who are concerned about builds voting on policies which don’t get adopted instead of voting on builds, or just watching events unfold from the shadows, We don’t have enough people actually looking at and voting on the builds.  It just keeps growing unchecked and there’s nothing the few of us actually looking at the builds themselves can do about it without help.  So please, I beg you, HELP ME!!  We need Rapta back and Skuld to start voting again, or anyone who has some free time (and if you spend any time here, you have free time) to come and begin testing builds. Because as it stands now, by the time a policy gets adopted (if ever) the untested section will be too big to be sorted. So if you care about builds please lend a hand, I'm begging you.&mdash; Azroth    19:51, 8 October 2006 (CDT) Oh, and please repost this anywhere applicable so more people might see it and consider helping out. Thanks.


 * Oh I just stopped voting cause of nightfall coming soon. Certain builds will just not be useful when that comes out *cough* boon prot *cough* (Not a fifty five 20:27, 8 October 2006 (CDT))
 * LOL. Jesus 55, are you Bipolar or do you have split personalities or something???  You go from "fuck it" on GuildWiki talk:Builds to being back to normal here 2min later.  Thanks for the post, but you're serioulsy creeping me out now :P&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  20:34, 8 October 2006 (CDT)


 * :) Nevermind I'll start voting now lol. No seriously, I am starting my own site tho for builds.  Html is easier to learn than I thought it'd be (Not a fifty five 17:34, 9 October 2006 (CDT))

Builds are a mistake to have on GuildWiki. They are as temporary as a guild list, and why don't we have one of those? Because they're *temporary*. Plus, having a build section promotes any loser new player posting shitty-ass poorly made builds, and getting super-defensive when people tell him it sucks. Frankly... this isn't buildwiki. Builds aren't something we should have. General minion mastery guide? Sure. A guide to tell people how to warrior effectively? Go ahead. Specific builds? No. They should all be removed, "vetted for" or not, as they go against what we stand for (and we are hypocrites if we claim they're not, because we don't host a guild list for the same reason we shouldn't host a buildwiki). -Auron
 * Trust me, you're not alone in that belief. As far as I'm concerned, the experiment in adding builds to the site has been a very good demonstration of why builds do not belong on a wiki environment.  Other forum or site software packages would be better equipped to handle builds and their vetting process over a wiki site structure.  I could see affilliating or partnering with another site in order to provide that type of data; but the only way to make a build process work within a wiki is to use very un-wiki-like policies that shoe-horn in processes which wikis are not designed to handle natively.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:36, 13 October 2006 (CDT)

Admittedly the whole builds thing is unwiki. However, guildwiki is the most popular fan web site in all of guild wars, almost surpassing the guild wars website itself! People want a builds section, they got a builds section. You don't like it? fine don't look at it. People want to argue about it? Fine let them argue about it. Its not disrupting anyone who doesn't want to deal with it except the admins, and I think they're just butting out by now anyways out of exasperation. Are builds temporary? of course. But so are skills, areas, Hall of Heroes, users, life, guild wars, etc. Guild wars will probably be gone 30 years from now maybe less. All this work will just stop and everything will be removed. In the mean time, I like it tho :)(Not a fifty five 19:09, 13 October 2006 (CDT))