User talk:Rainith

Unique items
Any change requests for the Unique items list page go here.

Ok. So where are we going to put new Factions Greens? I have one to post. --Katia Steelheart 6:55, 29 April 2006


 * You can post Canthan greens here. --Gares Redstorm 09:17, 29 April 2006 (CDT)


 * I added two links to the Canthan unique items list to that page now, one at the very top, one at the bottom under Related Articles. I hope that will be enough for people, but if anyone has any suggestions, please post them here.  --Rainith 16:27, 29 April 2006 (CDT)

Victo's Blade does not have complete weapon stats. Damage and weapon type isn't listed, it just says "Swordsmanship" instead. Fixed. --Rainith 00:07, 14 May 2006 (CDT)

Thanks for the A/Rt bosses with pics list
I was going to do it after getting dinner, but I noticed that you've done it for me! Yay creative use of slack! &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:32, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
 * No problem. Of course Tarosian seems to be adding more today so it'll need updating again.  --Rainith 11:49, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

Main Page
I think that you did it the last couple times. Is it possible to sync the main page to the editcopy? Stabber and Barek seem to have made quite a few minor adjustments that look cleaner than the current version. --161.88.255.140 13:46, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Done. I'd meant to do that earlier today, slipped my mind tho.  --Rainith 13:57, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Thanks - but I noticed a problem after the sync - not sure how I missed it earlier. You can probably fix it faster with your magical admin powers.  The upper left box currently reads "Day of the Tengu – 2006 Apr 26, in-game headstart event".  Isn't the event on Apr 27th instead? --161.88.255.140 14:15, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Fixed. --Rainith 14:32, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

Hero Panel and Hero window
Hey, can you rm Hero Panel and move Hero window over so that the history stays? A user tried to do it manually, but I think the history of Hw is worth preserving. Thanks. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 14:47, 29 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Done. --Rainith 16:22, 29 April 2006 (CDT)

Delete GuildWiki_talk:Protected_page
Could you delete GuildWiki_talk:Protected_page, it was spam, then blanked (protected page) Skuld  02:17, 5 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Done. --Rainith 21:08, 5 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Thanks Skuld  01:19, 7 May 2006 (CDT)

Problem
At the moment, the wiki is serving blank pages instead of articles to anyone not logged in. Not sure who to let know. Seems to serve up anything that's not an article page fine, though, like recentchanges. --Fyren 20:11, 5 May 2006 (CDT)


 * So that's what people on the forum were talking about. I couldn't figure out why everyone was saying the wiki was down, when I was having no problems with it.  Unfortunately I can't do anything about it.  --Rainith 20:19, 5 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I put a note on Gravewits talk page. Hope it gets fixed soon. --Gem [[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 02:31, 6 May 2006 (CDT)

Protection request
Fellow wants to fight a war with Tetracycloide about Mo/Me PvE Life Barrier Monk. Can you protect the page until this has been settled in talk? &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 19:53, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * No war. You're misjudging the situation. --64.229.196.153 19:54, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * So, the admin picks the obviously wrong side of this situation. I guess it's false information over morals, eh? -64.229.196.153 20:03, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Actually it's someone who I know, vs. someone who I don't. Someone who has a history here and a good one, vs. an anon who seems to be acting childishly.  --Rainith 20:09, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes, and the "i take your side because uve been here longer" attitude is just THAT much better, isn't it? Keep in mind the fact that you're taking the side of who is seemingly a "maintainence worker" of this Wiki, who is acting like your average street thug; making threats over nothing, and providing bogus proof to back themselves up. And yet, people listen to them because they are just the followers... --64.229.196.153 20:12, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Take it up in the talk page, that's what it is for. Reading it now, everyone is saying that you are wrong.  Make your case there.  --Rainith 20:17, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes, looking at past run-ins by other people whom have made justified reverts, it's this wiki's way of saying "get out, your expertise is not welcome here". -64.229.196.153 20:25, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * * sigh* If that is the way that you feel, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.  If you're interested in explaining why your way is better, then the talk page is where you want to do it.  --Rainith 20:27, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Please calm down, 64.229.196.153... There's no conspiracy beyond the blatantly obvious need for sticking to how things work. Naturally, you're more than welcome to participate in writing articles here, but please try to understand that the way a wiki works is by collaboration and discussion, not by individually "fixing" everything to fit a particular personal notion (regardless of merit). --Bishop (rap|con) 20:35, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * But yet, this one issue is capable of dragging as much as 4 "opposing members" to me. And now that I have stated my position on this issue on your coveted talk page, hopefully my contributions will at least be somewhat acknowledged. No offense, but some people have a "trigger finger" for warding off newcomers, eh? :P --64.229.196.153 20:41, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * There really, really, really is no conspiracy. You just happen to be going "against the flow" at a time when several long-time contributors are editing. And since they (we) know how things work -- and work well -- around here, we're naturally in (somewhat) agreement and telling you the same things. Noone is trying to "ward you off", but we're all trying, in different ways, to explain to you that the method which you were using to get your point across, was not acceptable. --Bishop (rap|con) 20:50, 6 May 2006 (CDT) Sorry, Rainith, for hijacking your talk page like this
 * Then let there be light. I've been offended enough with such comments by so many "long-time contributors". As cheesy as this may seem, I will mind my own business from now on. It makes me sad to think that so many people in a highly-respected GW information database must act so absurdly just to defend one person who provides incorrect information. --64.229.196.153 20:58, 6 May 2006 (CDT)

Alphabet Soup
Saw you alphabetized the skills of Bonesnap Turtle. Let me get Grasping Root for ya. I just put them as I see them on my notepad. :D --Gares Redstorm 23:24, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * No problem. General rule is to alphabetize skills and drops in the bestiary, but I know I'm guilty of putting them in out of order too.  --Rainith 23:29, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Off-topic from the title (Mmm...soup), but thank goodness your an admin. With Salvage Item, I wasn't having very much fun copying and pasting. You beat me to it too. Next time, Rainith, next time... :P --Gares Redstorm 23:43, 6 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Ah, yes, I used to think that was the only way to do it too. Next time, go into the history and choose the last "good" edit.  Then click "edit" on that version and save it (without making any changes).  Voila, c'est fini.  --Rainith 23:46, 6 May 2006 (CDT)

Protect Main Page/site notice
Could you protect this please so it the editcopy can get synced with the main page =) Skuld  01:20, 7 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Done and synced. I can't guarentee that Gravewit will use it tho.  --Rainith 01:34, 7 May 2006 (CDT)

Policy violation note
Just a heads up- Talk:Zos Shivros Channel (Location). I'm posting this anonymously for obvious reasons.

Advertisement users
I see you did not have the same opinnion as I conserning the advertisement users User:Blood and User:Brother Bim. These users have no other contributions than the clear advertisements on their user pages. This is the same as someone would create a user and then put links to pornsites/viagra sites/whatever on their user page. I don't think that Guild Wars related advertisements are any better. If these user pages were deleted and the users would like to have them back, they could later do it, but it seems that the users in question have long ago abandoned the wiki after putting theyre ads here. I know that people here think that anyone can put almost anything on their user page, but I do not want people to create users just for the cause of advertising, Especially User:Bloods user page irritates me. I would like to hear yours and the communitys thoughts on this. -- 03:14, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I agree, they've made no contributions other than creating their advertisment/user page. I know our policies are different to Wikipedia but really your user page isn't your own webspace is it? Blood's is particularly bad. --Xasxas256 03:57, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I didn't even go through all of the user pages this time, just the first 2 pages. (500 names on each) I hope there aren't more of these. I know that some of us regular contributors have some kind of adverts on their pages, eg I have a link to my running services webpage, but its a bit different than creating a user just for advertising. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 04:21, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * If the user never contributes, I don't see why/how it is a concern that the userpage becomes an advertisement. Nobody will notice it beside the ppl who already know the user, and that would probably be preaching to the choir.  While I disagree with absolute freedom on user pages, the contents on the two user pages linked to above look absolutely acceptable to me. -PanSola 05:59, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * part of this thread was moved to Guildwiki talk:Community Portal. 06:47, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

First of all, on the issue of the two user pages spcifically, I think they are ok and don'thave to be deleted. As for the guild wiki policy, there was another earlier "Rainith Precedent" which differs from Tanarics. The two precedents have different implications on what is allowed on user pages and stuff. I'm not an expert on this type of legality, so I'm not sure whether a later precedent would by default overturn an earlier one, or if the earlier one has greater power as a preceeding precedance. However, if later precedents can overturn previous ones, then I'm not sure how useful they are as precedents since admins can just make new rulings/arbitrations, and have those be used as new precedents to overturn older ones. If anyone knows more about this type of stuff and can enlighten me, that'd be appreciated. -PanSola 06:43, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Check out User:The True Bim and User:The-True-Bim, just found them. Please remove these 2 user pages and User:Brother Bim and the image. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 06:51, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Ok now that is getting excessive and abusive, unless there is some proof that they aren't clones of each other. -PanSola 07:17, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * There are 2 images actually. Image:Bims United Logo.gif and Image:Bims United.gif --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 07:22, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * After some research into contribution history, I see it is very possible that Bim simply forgot his password twice, as opposed to intentionally creating duplicate accounts for the purpose of increasing pages with advertisements on. My take on the situation is allowing him to keep the most recent one, and have the older two deleted.  A banner of your guild on your user page really isn't so different from posting images about your characters and say what guild your account is in etc.  Besides, nothing would link to the user page if the user doesn't contribute. -PanSola 07:36, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

For the record, he just cleared all 3 user pages. Atleast he is somewhat active. I'm just hoping for him to say something in defense. Don't be afraid Bim. We won't bite. :) -- 17:16, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * He did say something an hour or so ago to the only person who contacted him directly (PanSola). See User talk:The-True-Bim for the posts. --161.88.255.140 17:49, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

I would like to formally appolagise for the disruption I have caused, I did not intend to "advertise" my page and I completly agree that advertising guilds on guild wiki should not be aloud. I have removed the material in question and I would like to thank Gem for contacting me personally :). Once again sorry. Could you do me a favour and delete Image:Bims United Logo.gif and the accounts User:The True Bim User:Brother Bim ? I don't need these accounts and images and I am inexpereinced when it comes to using guild wiki.

--The True Bim 14:37, 17 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Bim, don't worry about it. It's not nearly as bad as it may sound from the above witch-hunt, and the issue really didn't start with you at all, at any rate. If you don't feel like contributing to the wiki beyond an image for your guild on your user page, that's your choice. Just stick with one account and you should be golden. --Bishop (rap|con) 15:12, 17 May 2006 (CDT)


 * All be cool, the 'which hunt' (who called it that in the first place?) has ended. Users are allowed to advertise on their user pages, or atleast thats what I understood from the 'big guys'. :) Ofcourse the unnecessary user page copies and unused images (if Bim does not want to use them anymore) should be deleted. Everyone forget this whole thing and I'll stop worrying about other users' business. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 16:30, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

User:70.20.116.223
I am really sorry to bother you with all this crap, but this user does not give me a choice. Besides the original matter with the advert users, the user 70.20.116.223 is now making a problem of himself. He does not want to talk, he wants to have everything done his way. When I tried to talk to him at his talk page, he responded rudely and then blanked the user page. See history of User_talk:70.20.116.223. I hate even proposing a ban for people who contribute to the wiki, but... I will leave this matter in your hands and I am sure you will do what is best for the wiki. I do not know what the best thing to do is, I hope you do. -- 07:32, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Oh hell. Save yourself the trouble. I'll ban myself. Sheesh. Do you have anything to do besides pick fights with people all day? 70.20.116.223 07:34, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I don't think the situation has gone out of hand yet. Just ignore the person when s/he offends you.  I don't see things going into revert wars or heavy insults, so if one side can just take a step back and bear with it a little, the other side will not have much fuel for the fire. -PanSola 07:36, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Lol :D :D :D Now he wants a ban. I definitely did not propse one and putting a comment "because Gem says so" is insulting. I do not want a user banned, I want him to come to his senses. I stepped back and left this into Rainiths hands, please do not get me involved again. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 07:39, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * User:70.20, you have contributed quite a bit over the past day, and I like when others get involved in this project. And I thank you for that. However, assuming other users are "picking fights" with you, I do not see that from the discussions that were trying to take place. If you feel you are being wronged in some way, take the high road. But harsh words and insults are not a very mature way to make friends around here. Although Gem did not know what Go fly a kite meant, I do, and that is not a very good way to start off your valued assistance here at GuildWiki. --Gares Redstorm 07:49, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Ugh. This is exactly what I was talking about in requests for arbitration!


 * "I hate even proposing a ban for people who contribute to the wiki, but... I will leave this matter in your hands and I am sure you will do what is best for the wiki." Uh, that line *is* proposing a ban. Then you say "Now he wants a ban. I definitely did not propse one"... well, yes, you did. Sorry.


 * "If you are unable to discuss and want everything done your way, go and make your own wiki." What gives you the right to demand another user leave?


 * "You can ofcourse keep insulting people and behaving rudely, but I don't see a nice end for you in that case." Again, you threaten a user with administrative punishment, even though you are in no position to administer such punishment.


 * Further, you reverted a user's talk page, and continued to admonish when you have no particular authority (or reason) to do so. I don't know what User:70.20.116.223 did, I'm not going to research it, and I don't care. I consider your behavior deplorable, especially when your comments indicate that none of User:70.20.116.223's "transgressions" were even about you!


 * Sorry to pollute your talk page with my opining, Rainith. &mdash;Tanaric 07:56, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * EVERYBODY take a step back now... Don't react on anything until you go drink a cup of water and come back.  It'll help.  -PanSola 08:03, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I did not propose a ban, if I did, I had put a ban tag. No one bans a user without the tag, unless they themsleves think that the user dreally deserves a ban. I did not demand anyone to leave. I did not threaten with administrative punishment, but I am pretty sure that the administrators do not tolerate people who insult others and do not discuss with others. Yes, I did revert the blanking of the user talk page once, because I thought that blanking talk pages is not allowed. This wasn't a talk page of a user name, whih furthermore makes blanking inapropriate. Note: I did not revert the second blanking.


 * If you, or anyone else, think that I am behaving like an admin, without being one, please tell me on my talk page. I do not want to play an admin role without being one and I do not think that I would be a good man to be in an admin role. However, I am sure that this wiki is laking enough administrators if they do not respond to this kind of stuff quicker.


 * I am really sorry that my non-native laguage skills cause some misinterpretations. Please be patient and ask for explanations. Not everyone can talk all laguages equally well. It seems that my good intentions are going down the toilet. :/ --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]]  08:07, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * In this case as well as in the case of Stabber, I do not believe the user involved has assumed/claimed/pretended/portrayed anything about administrative authority/role or threats of administrative action. On the other hand, I'm just "near native" when it comes to the English language. -PanSola 08:23, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Being American, I have a fair understanding of the English language, though I'm from the south, so its still debatable, ya'll :P At first I did not see Gem revert a user's talk page, and he has stated he made a mistake. At least he did not revert it a second time. User's, be it registered or IP, should be able to do any "cleaning" up they want to. But Pan is absolutely correct. Those involved and feel they are wronged should forgo this discussion until emotions settle down. And perhaps since Rainith has nothing to do with this(as of yet), perhaps this should be moved to a different talk page. --Gares Redstorm 08:49, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

Yuck. Ok my opinion was asked for and I'll give it. People can take whatever offense they want at what I'm about to say.
 * 1) After reading the history of 70.20.116.223's talk page and Talk:Harvest Ceremony I believe that this user is quite rude, immature and might have a persecution complex. The rudeness shows on both pages, while the immaturity and persecution complex mostly show on the Harvest Ceremony page.
 * Gem, you need to grow up a bit. Grow a thicker skin (I know that english isn't your first language, so if this metaphor doesn't translate for you please ask me and I'll try to explain it).
 * 1) Posting on an admin's talk page with the username of the person you're posting about as the headline is a sure way to get their attention and just escalate things.

As I said, the two users involved can take whatever offense they want at my comments. No ban is warrented, even if one was asked for. And I'll ask everyone, not to fucking swear on my talk page. And ask if anyone wants to write up GuildWiki:Don't fucking swear? --Rainith 00:12, 16 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I do know what growing a thicker skin means and I'll try my best. I did not really get offended by the user in question and I wasn't ment to look like I had. If someone acts in such way I will contact an admin so that he can act as needed. I am not the one to act or to make decisions and I do know it. (Tanarics comment on me acting like an admin was something I did not like, especially because he visits the wiki for a short period, comments and leaves) I did not see anything wrong in using the IP adress as a headline, but if you disagree, feel free to change it to something more suitable.
 * I do not think that I acted wrong in any way, not this time. I tried to talk, it failed. I reverted the blanking once, as I thought that blanking talk pages is not allowed, but it seems that I was wrong. (Or was I?) Then I contacted an admin, who decided what to do. Where did I act like an admin? Where did I break the rules? Tanaric or someone, please axplain, and please keep it out of Rainiths talk page. We have spammed this page enough. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 01:32, 16 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Just as a note, what I meant by #3 was that instead of using the username/number as the headline, just make a request for the admin to look at the article(s) in question and draw their own opinion. Once you have the admin's attention, if they can't figure out what you're talking about, they'll ask you (or at least I would).  --Rainith 01:38, 16 May 2006 (CDT)


 * To make a request I need to say something on your user page and I also need a headline. Why not put the user name/number in it? I think that a headline should be as informative as possible adn the users name/number is quite informative. Ok, I could have probably chosen a better headline. Next time I will. :) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 01:45, 16 May 2006 (CDT)

From your user page

 * There is right now a developer's 1 on 1 PvP arena (no word on if/when it will go live for the rest of us)
 * The team I was on won the 2 games of PvP (no thanks to me, as I didn't play, but I'm still glad we won). It was a new type of PvP that they called a Sealed Tournament in which both teams are given a set of skills (in this case 25 from each profession) and no skill can be used twice on each team.

Have you seen any of those since factions went live? Might the developers 1 on 1 PvP arena have been Guild Scirmish or the shing jea arena? And have you seen any sign of the sealed tournament? They both sound interesting, I would love to find them on the game. --Xeeron 09:36, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * The only 1vs1 we will get is the guild scrimmage. Gaile has stated that no ranked 1vs1 will come. The sealed deck tournaments were designed for events such as the championship. Hte players need to be at the tournament spot as the skills are handed out as cards. No in-game thing planned yet. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 09:44, 15 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Gem answered this pretty well. The 1 on 1 arena was on the island to the east of the the island the Team Arenas are on and I've got nothing there now.  Personally I think it would be cool to have sort of a betting type thing you could engage in.  Challenge someone and if they accept you each agree on what the winner gets, be it money or items, in something similar to the trade window.  Faction could be left out of it altogether.
 * As for the Sealed tournament, Gem is correct on that one too. --Rainith 00:17, 16 May 2006 (CDT)

To bring to your attn
Talk:Main_Page/site_notice thx Skuld  07:29, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I would have done this, but I could get nothing but errors on every page except for Recent changes for most of the day. Then when I finally could access the site again, it appeared that the problems had been fixed.  --Rainith 21:43, 16 May 2006 (CDT)

Lookin' for some help to help
I was wondering what program you guys use to cut images down before you upload them here, I have a ton of pics but they are all still full screenshots (the pics include some greens, boss locations, etc.) and I'm pretty sure you guys don't like .bmp files. Thanks --Hydra86
 * Personally I use Adobe Photoshop, but if you check Image use policy down at the bottom is a list of free programs that the folks at Wikipedia reccomend. I can't say that I've used any of those programs before, but I'm guessing that they don't work half bad.  You could also check out this old post to my talk page where there was another discussion about image programs.  Hope this helps you.  :)  --Rainith 04:14, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I alternate between Photoshop and MSPaint. - 04:15, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Paint is fast and easy if you just want to get rid of the extra stuff around the item etc. For anything more compliated I use Photoshop. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 05:42, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I never bothered to get "Photoshop" on this PC, although I've used it in the past and it's by far the most poweful and most flexible program for editing images at home that I've used. My current system came with "Microsoft Picture It" pre-installed.  It's not the best, but it does what little I ask of it (mainly crop, rotate, and resize).  For taking the original screen captures I also use "ScreenPrint32 v3".  It lets me capture sections of the screen.  Although I prefer either "Hypersnap" or "Snag-it" for that purpose, SP32 works well enough. --- Barek (talk &bull; contribs) - 10:03, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I use IrfanView. It's free and simple to use. Mark the area you want to keep, press Ctrl-Y, press S to save the cropped image in whatever format you want. It will open your BMP files and can make PNG files for icons and JPG files for larger stuff like scenery and NPC/monster images. It does screen shots as well without interrupting the game. --Wee Tommy 22:32, 2 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I use The Gimp. It's free, open source, available for most platforms and is almost as powerful as Photoshop (which is a multi-hundred dollar licence). --Bishop (rap|con) 05:53, 3 June 2006 (CDT)


 * MS Paint for quick crops, Paint.NET ftw!! :) --Karlos 16:09, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

Question About Cleaning Up
Been doing some maintainence and ran across something questionable. According to Items Dropped, items dropped by species should be included. Looking at Fungal Wallow I noticed Amber Longbow under Items Dropped. Would you call Jade and Amber weapons unique to a species or just unique to an area and should be removed? I'll format everything else and leave it as is until I get some advice. Thanks. --Gares Redstorm 09:39, 25 May 2006 (CDT)
 * As I'm not sure what drops the Amber Longbow, I can't quite say. If that item is only dropped by Fungal Wallows, then yes it should be there, however, if all creatures in a location (including the Fungal Wallows there) drop it then it shouldn't IMO.  If the latter is the case, it should be mentioned on the Item's page, not the creatures page, again IMO.  Hope that helps you out.  --Rainith 11:17, 25 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Ok, I think I have my answer. I've had Wardens and Onis drop Amber weapons including the longbow. If I knew it wasn't documented, I would have kept it and made a pic. That's why I mentioned location because I have a theory its just those monsters in the Kurzick areas that drop them. I'll fix accordingly. --Gares Redstorm 11:47, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

Still cleaning, lots to do. Noticed there is an Oni category and an Oni monster article. Change the category to Onis or change the monster article, since it is of 2 different levels, to Oni (level 16) and Oni (level 28)? Reason I ask is if you look at Sunqua Vale and go to, you will see that the Oni is Oni (Species). Changing it to Oni directs it to the mosnter, not to a basic article describing the Oni as a species. What's your thoughts before I go Rambo and start changing things around? --Gares Redstorm 14:40, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Oni
 * Lesser Oni,


 * Um, everything looks ok the way it is on that one. If you look at the other mosters in the Sunqua Vale article, you see the top level goes to their species' pages, not to thier categories.  And I believe somewhere (I can't find it now) there was a discussion and the consensus was that "Oni" is both the singular and plural version of the word, so Category:Oni is correct.  If I completely missed the point of your question, please let me know, I'm at work now and can't really direct my full attention at it, but will try to answer you when I get home.  --Rainith 16:06, 26 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I might have been a bit unclear as I was also at work when I wrote it and was in a hurry. In a nutshell, I'm retarded :P What I should be looking at is creating the Oni (Species) page instead of trying to change names around, which was my initial thinking. I would like you, since no one else has said anything, to take a look at Category talk:Plants though. --Gares Redstorm 16:38, 26 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Posted a response for you on that page, don't know if it is going to be much help, but I tried to point you in the right direction. --Rainith 19:24, 26 May 2006 (CDT)