User talk:Scythe/Archive/1

[absurdly long header quoting &pi; to a few thousand decimal places being suppressed by the system (halp, halp)]
Edit fields [ don't] faze me. -- ◄mendel► 00:20, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mendel, how did you do that? At RT's page, I got stuck. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 07:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't use the new section function. It is weak. --Vipermagi 12:26, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * But when you use the new function, you show up on watchlists and in rc with the new header. If you edit the whole page, or the previous section you dont. Or could you put something in the summery when editing teh whole page? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 16:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Summaries!

 * You just gotta edit the summary to reflect the new header, then. I might have used the New Section thing once, or clicked it and nigh immediately just edited the last section anyhow... Always worked for me. --Vipermagi 18:33, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Firefox
I use it Shadowcrest 03:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I use chrome. Firefox usually crashes. Ariyen 18:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I use firefox and wouldn't trust google with session data from chrome. Also, less personal attacks, Emmett, k? looked like IE &mdash;  Scythe   21:27, 2 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * You can have chrome not receive session data. 72.148.31.114 01:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * no you can't. Whether you tell it to or not, I guarantee it is D: &mdash;  Scythe   22:29, 3 Dec 2010 (UTC)

Page styling
So, I'm going to be styling my talk page and maybe doing the usual Epeen character pages etc etc, I need color inspiration! so GIMMIE :D &mdash; Scythe   21:14, 5 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * oh, I'll also be finishing my game UI by the end of the month, so keep waiting until then D: &mdash; Scythe   21:16, 5 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * Expecting a color suggestion? Too bad.  Everything is purple today.  PURPLE IS A COLOR.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ  21:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * purple it is. &mdash; Scythe   21:34, 5 Dec 2010 (UTC)

not-pre formatting
someone explain why a line break resulted in a &lt;pre> area... -- easily explained, there's another way to make an area look like this, and that works by leaving a space at the start of the line. (It doesn't work like &lt;pre> because Wikicode and everything is still being evaluated, but it looks like one.) In this case, the template you used ended in a line break (I've since changed it), and after that you put a space and a tag; and hence that space came to be at the start of new line of wikitext, and triggered this formatting. Had you put the tag on the next line, it'd have looked ok. --◄mendel► 07:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I knew this, I just didn't realize I'd left a space D: &mdash; Scythe   20:47, 7 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we had a discussion someplace a few months back why templates shouldn't be coded like that, precisely because it can catch users that way. --◄mendel► 04:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

it really happened

 * being dissatisfied with the (at the time) current drawn the wiki is moving at -- I think you ought to rephrase that, I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean the wiki is moving slowly? I would also remind you to follow Assume good faith rather than post unsupported suspicions in public places.


 * that's blasphemy - blasphemy is insulting gods, and while I am happy you think that highly of me, accusing Auron of that seems out of place. If you could make that statement less of a personal attack towards Auron, your god would smile on you. ;)

--◄mendel► 09:09, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * and I'd probably open an RfA as well as an arbcomm over it - I don't understand this one either - would you RfA me, RfR Emmett or RfA Auron? You and Showdowcrest have managed to stay out of each other's hair on this wiki so far, and I was hoping this state would continue. At this point, an arbcomm would have to examine your differences on other wikis as well, and I for one would not see it it as my GuildWiki bureaucrat duties to do that, though I'd be willing to participate in the first cross-wiki joint arbcomm ever if it came to that.
 * I actually meant drawl, it was a typo :(
 * as far as Auron and blasphemy, I consider blasphemy to be largely erroneous, not religious (though I am aware of the religious origin of the word).
 * I'd RfA Auron for banning you based on something that members of community say there is nothing wrong with. I've corrected various little grammatical errors and spellings to make the post more understandable.
 * &mdash; Scythe   16:30, 10 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * Auron isn't a sysop here. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 23:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * With good reason. &mdash; Scythe   0:12, 11 Dec 2010 (UTC)

Silent Surf Vanquish Count
Sorry, no, I did not get a screen shot at the time. I was just happy to get the vanquish completed. Chances are I'll be vanquishing that area again though, so I'll try to remember to get one then, if I get the same count. I am fairly certain I had no quest that would affect the count, as I hadn't been in Cantha for quite some time.- Meritius Eskevar 04:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Moved from userspace to usertalk by Gigathrash, Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ 06:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, well Just checking to make sure it wasn't fraud and what-not :) &mdash; Scythe   20:30, 14 Dec 2010 (UTC)

I, like great pyramid workers before me, enslaved 100,000 people to create this
Hark! how the bells
 * Sweet silver bells
 * All seem to say,
 * "Throw cares away."
 * Christmas is here
 * Bringing good cheer
 * To young and old
 * Meek and the bold
 * Ding, dong, ding, dong
 * That is their song
 * With joyful ring
 * All caroling
 * One seems to hear
 * Words of good cheer
 * From ev'rywhere
 * Filling the air
 * Oh how they pound,
 * Raising the sound,
 * O'er hill and dale,
 * Telling their tale,
 * Gaily they ring
 * While people sing
 * Songs of good cheer
 * Christmas is here
 * Merry, merry, merry, merry Christmas
 * Merry, merry, merry, merry Christmas
 * On, on they send
 * On without end
 * Their joyful tone
 * To ev'ry home

Ding, dong, ding, dong.--Łô√ë îğá †ħŕášħ 21:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Other way now! &mdash; Scythe   21:07, 19 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Wie treu sind deine Blätter!
 * Du grünst nicht nur zur Sommerzeit,
 * Nein, auch im Winter, wenn es schneit.
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Wie treu sind deine Blätter!
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
 * Wie oft hat schon zur Winterzeit
 * Ein Baum von dir mich hoch erfreut!
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Dein Kleid will mich was lehren:
 * Die Hoffnung und Beständigkeit
 * Gibt Mut und Kraft zu jeder Zeit!
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Dein Kleid will mich was lehren!--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ 21:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not what I meant >:-( Where are all the old RC hawkers when you need them :< &mdash; Scythe   21:19, 19 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you want from me?!?--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ 21:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * everything. &mdash; Scythe   21:48, 19 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you prepared to handle... Everything?--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ  21:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you? &mdash; Scythe   23:03, 19 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't born for this. I was MADE for this.  Let's DO IT!  LEEEEEEEEEEEERRRROOOOOYYYYY!!--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ  23:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what she said. &mdash; Scythe   21:14, 20 Dec 2010 (UTC)

Your msg
(because everyone else is just too lazy...) &mdash; Scythe   3:01, 24 Jan 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's because Felix is the only active B-Crat here that we have (that I know of). Also, I think he's the only one right now that can do the user merge. Ariyen 03:23, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Correct, only bureaucrats have access to the user merge function, and mendel is spending all his time playing around on Wikia. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 03:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Mendel resigned from bureaucrat last month. What am I supposed to be doing again? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 04:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought Mendel resigned from this one, So he could participate over there. Ariyen 04:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh right. Blergh.  @Felix: see User talk:Enigma (I mentioned that we could merge his GW- and standard accounts together; he hasn't had a chance to respond yet).  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 05:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * To clarify: I emphatically did not resign from GuildWiki so I could play on Wikia, and thought I had made that clear at the time. Inquiries re: this topic on my talkpage, please. --◄mendel► 05:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Jokes gone so wrong... &mdash; Scythe   0:22, 26 Jan 2011 (UTC)

Primeval Armor Remnants
Afaik both is wrong. Those remnants only 'drop' directly into the inventory by chance, at the moment one of the Lords of Anguish or Mallyx himself is defeated (and thus a chest spawns). There is no guaranteed drop from any chest and there is no (additional) chance to get one when you open a reward chest. –aRTy 14:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The goal of a wiki is to make content as easy, accessible, and readable as possible. Using the term 'drop' implies that a player recieves the item, which, is what happens.  Saying a player receives one is not only longer, but slightly unwieldy, and not going to click in a reader's mind as quickly.  Lords of Anguish are not guaranteed to 'drop' one, but Mallyx is.  Or at least, I've never seen him not drop one, and he follows the same mechanics as Duncan. &mdash;  Scythe   16:45, 26 Jan 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you receive the armor immediately upon defeating Mallyx, or do you only receive it when you open the chest? We should make sure we cover that distinction correctly.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You receive the armor the moment you kill Mallyx resp. the Lords of Anguish, so it's at the same moment the respective chest spawns. Opening the chest has nothing to do with it. Furthermore, neither Mallyx nor the Lords will cause the receipt of the remnant for sure, it's always by chance.
 * (Personal impression, though several discussions stated the same: Every player seems to get a few quite fast, something around 15 or so, and then rarely get any more. Among players who play DoA a very lot, it's rather uncommon if anyone in the party gets solely one in a fullrun.)
 * –aRTy 18:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've never seen anyone not get a remnant upon mallyx's death, so I'm inclined to believe it's 100%, as it is with duncan. &mdash; Scythe   0:44, 27 Jan 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not get one several times (played a lot more than one year ago and did a few runs recently) and some friends experienced the same. In addition an IP criticized the corresponding annotation in the german wiki already in Dez. 2009. –aRTy 07:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh, dunno then. Coulda sworn it was guaranteed, but feel free to revert me. &mdash;  Scythe   20:16, 27 Jan 2011 (UTC)
 * Naw, it isn't guaranteed, though if you're new to DoA it will seem like an 100% drop rate for the first like 6 remnants, after which the drop rate drastically drops to like one every 20 runs.– User Balistic Pve sig.pngalistic 03:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Balistic. It varies within DoA. 72.148.31.114 04:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

And another poke goes here...
The RPG's entering its final stages before it starts, and I'd like you to submit your character as soon as possible. Thanks! --El_Nazgir 08:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

More People
You could get banned for that. I'm not sure though, but I'd consider it socking. :-P I thought you knew better. X-D You're so silly though. Ariyen 00:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Silly ftw! And it's not socking... It's "olol time" &mdash;  Scythe   0:12, 11 Feb 2011 (UTC)
 * Right now we don't have a clear socking policy because it's usually not a proplem by itself. Most "socking" blocks are for ban evasion. --◄mendel► 12:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * When it's an obvious alternate account for benign/humorous purposes, it's called a shoepuppet instead of a sockpuppet. There's nothing wrong with shoepuppets.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh, always with the drama, me... &mdash;  Scythe   20:22, 11 Feb 2011 (UTC)


 * s== call ==

I had been monking for like, two years at a high-end (top 500 GvG, HA, DoA HM, VQ as only heal, etc) level, if you need any help with this feel free to give me a call -- you could help by telling us how you evaluate healing skills - what makes you choose one skill over another, and what role do mathematics/statistics play in this? --◄mendel► 19:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * sure, sure, watch my userspace for a page in a day or two. &mdash; Scythe   19:36, 13 Feb 2011 (UTC)

GW:NPA
Lay off the [ personal attacks] or you'll get blocked. (Not a threat, just a prediction.) --◄mendel► 01:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * in content and wiki discussion pages
 * in general
 * Tell Jon to lay off the harassment. But fine, as long as a universal standard is set. &mdash;  Scythe   1:27, 14 Feb 2011 (UTC)
 * If I say his actions were douchy, I attack his actions. -- that may be, but you have not actually given a reasoning. The standard is to "Comment on content, not on the contributor", and your post is definitely not a rational response to the points Jon brought forward. You comment on the way he made him, you tell us your general opinion of them, but you do not further constructive discussion. There is no way to reply to your post because it contains nothing one can base a reply on. Are those standards ok on your debating team? Are you unaware that you can attack a person by casting his actions (or looks, taste etc.) in a negative light? This is called "personal" when you give no facts and no reason that warrant the attack in the given context. Whether Jon acted in a douchey fashion or not is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand; a fact that you should have been aware of especially since I mentioned it in my reply to Jon's post in question: This is about categories, not about Ariyen -- substitute Jon for Ariyen, and apply it to yourself.
 * If you want to have an argument with Jon about how douchey you think he is, take it to his talkpage; cite the passage you take objection to (at the very least, link to the edit); and provide an argument that supports your position that would pass muster on any public debate event you participated in. --◄mendel► 02:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The points he raised:
 * WTF Ariyen??!?!!!!111!!!!1!!!!!1!11!!
 * No, Ariyen, we've done it this way.
 * Go away.
 * Stop editing.
 * restatement of TEF & Ish's key criterion.
 * how were these rational? I already posted on ish's wall about the brick fucking wall effect and the ensuing frustration and rage.  If he had read any of the relevant discussion he would have known this.  How are my points personal and his not? As I already said, keep a universal standard.  Attacking a person's way of delivery, or context of a point is the only way you can win LD debate unless you have pre-cited information blatantly stating their point is wrong.  What warrants the attack?  Harassment.
 * Also: you could scream bloody murder at Felix for doing [nearly] the same thing, but no. I smell a rat.  &mdash;  Scythe   2:35, 14 Feb 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, now I also recommend GW:SHOUT to you, as I'm not getting through to you. I asked you to use quotes; your list of "points he raised" does not actually reflect [ this edit] in any meaningful way. "How are my points personal and his not?" I already answered that one, look above (also, putting in the strawman doesn't help you). Thanks for putting your debating prowess into perspective for me. --◄mendel► 03:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Why am I involved now? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 03:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yah, my experience with the school debating system comes down to two points: 1.  Proving your opponent is an idiot, and 2.  Out infodumping the other person.  It's a bad, poorly constructed, and mean spirited system that hates people and is in no way representative of an actual discussion.  It's a contest, but this is a bad place to be discussing the failings of competition.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  04:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, in theory you'd get taught to do 1. with logic and 2. with (prior) research (and nowadays, smartphones), but apparently standards have been slipping. --◄mendel► 04:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Telling me to swap the names and apply it to myself doesn't make it equal treatment. Coming to me and saying "cut the npa, or you'll get banned" without going to jon and saying "cut the harassment, or you'll get banned" is both insulting, and either a repulsive administrative oversight, or a biased and/or subconscious decision.  Giga is fully correct, the response times given (~10s between rounds) allows for no processing of the information, and thus the more you can cram down their throat in the shortest time wins the contest.  But now we're getting off topic. &mdash;  Scythe   21:04, 14 Feb 2011 (UTC)


 * Saying "WTF, dude?" is not a personal attack or even harassment. It may be a rude way of saying, "I'm having trouble understanding your broken grammar," but it is not a personal attack.  You, on the other hand, said that Jon "set the bar higher" for "douchery," thereby calling Jon a douche, which is a personal attack.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 21:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Spelling it out again for you: "this is about categories, not about Jon". Jon made several points about the topic (which you ignore in your list), and he mixed in some personal sentiments, which he shouldn't have, but meh, it happens. That's why his edit rates as being a largely constructive edit; that's why I reminded him to not get personal, but didn't treat his post as a full-on attack.
 * Your post, on the other hand, is nothing but a comment on Jon and his manner of posting; it is not supported by any points or arguments by which to put it into proportion; it is completely misplaced on the CP talk. I don't mind you criticising Jon's posting style, but I also told you (look it up above) what my standards are for such criticism.
 * Because your post differs in these essential points from Jon's (in other words, it is nothing like his, except that both of you expressed a "wtf" moment), it gets treated differently. Jon's post had the primary purpose of discussing categories; yours had the primary purpose of discussing/attacking Jon. There is nothing one can reply to your post except to say "don't do that" because it contains nothing else.
 * Here's a warning I hope isn't warranted: please do not get the smart idea to troll us by starting to come up with prima facie points to disguise your attacks - we're not so dumb as to not notice, and we're not as wikilawyering to take what I just said as the letter of the law - the wiki doesn't work like that anyway. Put content (valid points on topics) on discussions; put comments on people on their talkpages. If I see you do it differently, you'll get a reaction from me - as has Jon. --◄mendel► 21:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The difference, I would think is, that I had and have already given my imput on the issue. &mdash; Scythe   21:41, 14 Feb 2011 (UTC)

RPG
Hey dude! Just wondering, are you still up for the RPG? You haven't posted anything yet. If you don't want to go along with it, I'll kill off your character :P --<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 13:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, was busy as hell last week and a half or so, should be ready now, though :) &mdash; Scythe   21:08, 22 Feb 2011 (UTC)

This is going to suck.
I swapped to an ultra-simple sig now, and I have to type 4 tides!!!!!!!111!!11!!!1!!!! IMA DIE :< ∵Scythe∵ 01:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

how to piss people off
Over on the admin board, you berate Jon for saying something that might piss Dr Ishmael off. That's kind of ironic, because you're here only because I wasn't afraid to piss people off when I stood up for you as you got banned off #gwiki. Yes, it's preferable to not piss people off when it can be avoided, but your posts on the admin board don't exactly follow that maxim either. Also, since they're personal, they should have been posted on Jon's and my respective talkpages.

You're also criticizing me for framing my reply as a question; I think this allows the addressee to put up an agreeing or disagreeing argument without loss of face. I believe it is far less irritating than me saying "this is a community issue, and here's why" and getting a "you're wrong, it's not" with no reasoning as reply. Somehow you didn't point that out, though, and I wonder why. --◄mendel► 22:57, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not criticize you for framing it as a question, I 'criticized' the use of the word isn't in that manner, I also spoke to ish about it on irc, and he agrees from an american english standpoint, your "I can't say I enjoyed it" comment, and the sentence before it can only read as inflamitory.
 * You call my being here (somehow the wiki and irc are so closely tied that a ban on one is a ban on the other?) ironic, but I find it more ironic that you leave a comment on my talk page that is read by me as either "you criticized, but did it wrong," or "why, it had no good intention behind it" when you are pushing AGF. ∵Scythe∵ 00:53, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, I think you were wrong, and I am discussing this with you to learn what is right. I've not questioned your intentions.
 * How would you have phrased what I wanted to say, preferably about as short as Dr Ishmael's post was? --◄mendel► 05:10, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * A simple lack of comment would have been best there, as you are directly criticizing his mentality/perspective. I would say with second best being along the lines of "I would agree with that, but how can we resolve the issue, what angle have we not looked at?"  A post that read as optimistic, and 100% good-willed would have been much better than something that read as condescending. ∵Scythe∵ 22:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you advise something that doesn't say what I wanted to say, and in fact would say either nothing or the exact opposite. I prefer to not take this advice, thank you. --◄mendel► 23:44, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

nyergh
Sorry about the thing. I had a bad day. 03:02, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It was 12:10 (ish) in the morning and I still had homework. In a way, you did me a favor. ∵Scythe∵ 20:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

[ uhh...]
First you brag about forcing him to ragequit on IRC <small style="color:green">"successfully infodumping mendel to ragequit since age 15", then you offer to help him? And yet you wonder why people have a hard time understanding your intentions. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 02:08, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My view and mentality on this particular issue: I am often one of, if not the only person who has an issue with how mendel wrote what he wrote. If I proof it before he posts it, and he actually follows my advice, then his post would be far better recieved, wouldn't it?  That's putting a lot of faith in a 15 year old, sure, but I think I have a history of not letting the wiki down (except maybe on the RPG, sorry naz :.  Granted mendel's (only?) reaction to my advice has been "That doesn't say what I want to say."  But then again, mendel has also given me the advice that "sometimes when we most want to speak, it is wisest for us to not speak at all."
 * I wouldn't call my setinfo on irc bragging, more a small pun and plan on commercialized advertising, "serving up smiles since 1947!" and whatnot.
 * I have never questioned that mendel wants to help, just that his means were not always for the best, or handled the best. This is expected from anyone who gives that/this much to one thing.  We are not all perfect.  In some ways, I also idolize mendel, for his apparent infinite supply of expertise, and usual ultra-neutrality.
 * I do not question that people sometimes do not understand my intentions, I am insane you know ;) ∵Scythe∵ 02:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ahahahahaha--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 03:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a ban for Giga... Also, You crazy, Scythe? I don't beleve it. I want to have a word with your shrink. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 07:56, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

popular politics
"you cannot resolve issues in the balanced manner you speak of above without both sides giving equally" -- that is what needs to appear to happen in popular politics, but is it just? When two people appear in front of Salomon, and both claim that they own a certain cake, would giving each half "so each of you gives up something" be just? Or does it result in one person being treated unfairly while another profits? Mind you, this analogy does NOT apply to Dr Ishmael and myself, there are huge differences; all I want to do here is get you to question your outlook. Your sentiment speaks to not understanding the issues involved. --◄mendel► 04:26, 17 March 2011 (UTC)