User talk:MartinLightbringer(CS)

Undesirable comments
I do not appreciate your rude and counter-productive comments on my talk page. Please do not contact me again until you learn how to cooperate and collaborate in a wiki environment. Adraeus 03:07, 22 Jun 2005 (EST)


 * Wow. So did you ever stop to read what I wrote in the first place when you were writing the flurry of diffs to User talk:Adraeus/Closed issues? If you had, you might have noted that I actually agreed with you on most of your changes to the formating of the quests. I think my disagreements, the followup by the rest of the community and your responses stand for themselves, though. I will, however, apologize for the comment 'P.S. Good for you re: your contribution to Wikipedia. You must be proud.' It was rude.


 * I would like to note, however, that it was no more rude than the non sequitur of presenting the importance of your contribution to Wikipedia in response to a request for consistency and collaboration on GuildWiki. The message that sends is 'I did this Very Important Thing for Wikipedia, therefore my input is more valuable than yours.'


 * I'd suggest that if your call for teamwork ("Wiki projects are team efforts. If you don't want to be a team player, then wiki projects are not for you.") is genuine, then working with people towards a common goal of improving the content and layout in Quests and elsewhere would be more productive than continuing to tell everyone how wrong they are. But, if the content you provided at Adraeus is any guide, I don't see much hope.


 * That having been said, I'm done with this discussion. It's not productive to the project. MartinLightbringer(CS) 10:27, 22 Jun 2005 (EST)


 * Apology accepted; however...
 * I mentioned the Company Infobox at Wikipedia as an example of why collaborative wiki efforts do not require unilateral mass action from any user regardless of the type of edition. Requesting me to edit 450 company articles to adhere to any major template changes is a ridiculous request. In the case of GuildWiki, you requested that I edit 77-or-so articles to adhere to the changes I made to the way quest data is displayed. There's no First Degree Ridiculous Request or Second Degree Ridiculous Request. Both are ridiculous requests. If you read Archive001 of the Infobox Company template, you'll discover that I used a similar argument early on. I argued against template changes because I thought editing 300 articles (at the time) alone was a lot of work. I gradually persuaded myself that diffusing responsibility for visual consistency across involved and active editors was a key component of the wiki environment. I can allude this issue to a simple question: if ten college professors are assigned to develop examination questions for a college entry exam, should only one of the ten professors develop all the examination questions, produce the entry exam, and supervise the testing process? Bluntly described: if ten resources are available and appointed to a project, is it wise to waste nine resources while only using one resource of the ten available to complete the project? Imagine if LordBiro said, "Okay, Martin, it is your responsibility alone to produce a complete documentation of Guild Wars, and implement the documentation into GuildWiki using proper wiki formatting and style."
 * Ignore my userpage for now. . Okay, userpage ready. Adraeus 17:39, 22 Jun 2005 (EST)
 * Adraeus 16:14, 22 Jun 2005 (EST)