User talk:Seph Valentine

Also known as jzf. -  jzf.  02:01, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Virtual Sociology and Identities within Cyberspace
I still don't understand... why do you have two accounts? Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 02:01, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Moving. I decided that capital J really was getting up my nose. I don't suppose you know how to tag an image to a sig? - jzf 02:03, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Change you raw signature on preferences. For example, one could be Seph Valentine 

Also, contact an Admin and tell them you decided you wanted a different name because I don't think you are allowed to have two active accounts. Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 02:07, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

You definitely can't edit a page with this name but sign with jzf. Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 02:08, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Leave a message on User:Gares Redstorm's talk page. Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 02:08, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

My idea this morning was to get User:Jzf deleted. Is there only the one (extremely busy) fella that does that stuff? - jzf.  02:19, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * What you do is this, you talk to any admin, I just mentioned Gares because I think he is on, and have them infinite ban your jzf account. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 02:21, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Cool, I posted him a note. I'm sorry I'm causing you so much hassle this weekend. - jzf.  [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png]] 02:29, 31 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Please also read GW:SIGN. Your sig must make clear what your user name is, so you must have 'Seph Valentine' visible, not jzf. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 04:20, 31 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Oh, I was looking for something like that last night! "signature" in the search engine comes up blank. I'm suprised that you don't appreciate the point though.  The small pink gem links to Gares' Userpage, the same way jzf links to Seph Valentine. Through repeated use, the small pink gem has become your identity.  Which reinforces the theory that identities are a social construct.  Since 'jzf' and 'Seph Valentine' are both the same person (one being an internet identity, the other being an in game character) with the same IP address (unless I'm posting from my phone) there really is nothing to be gained though deception, just a few years worth of social capital being lost.

It could be argued that I would not be recognised as Jzf. Wiki doesn't recognise lowercase usernames. Once upon a time my good name was saved because someone pointed out that the original poster used uppercase JZF rather than lowercase jzf.


 * "User signatures must have a link to their user page or their user talk page." I think that's the most important rule, and one that I have taken steps to make sure I abide by.
 * "Signature must show their user name or by other means make clear the user name" I'm using other means to clarify my identity.
 * "The icon's image file should be exclusive for the signature, not shared with anything in GuildWiki" personally I thought that [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png]] and [[Image:Monk-icon-small.png]] was an accepted form of showing your point of view. (at least in theory, long term Monk players see a different view point from long term Ranger players, right?)

In closing, user names are there to identify posters. What you are suggesting would be a case of "the Tail wagging the Dog". The rules are there for a reason. But reason always overrides rules (as in the case of how Law cab be changed by Court rather than by Parliment), which is why interpretation decides what goes on in a house of Law, rather than 'tick boxes' and automatic sentences.

I am not here to cause havoc. -  jzf.  11:31, 31 March 2007 (CDT)


 * "I think that's the most important rule, and one that I have taken steps to make sure I abide by." Policy rules aren't divided in "Important", "so-so important", and "not important" categories. If you violate any of the rules, you're violating the policy, simple. It's not up to you to decide which regulations apply to you and which do not.
 * "I'm using other means to clarify my identity." There is absolutely no logical connection between your signature  jzf  and your username Seph Valentine, which is what the policy is there for. If I look at your signature, I need to be able to say "hey, that's user Seph Valentine!" without clicking any links, wondering if I got redirect hijacked to some other guy's userpage.
 * You're free to use the [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png]] and [[Image:Monk-icon-small.png]] images, just reupload them with a new filename, so they can exclusively rediret to your userpage.


 * In closing, policy is policy. If you disagree with it, take it up on the policy discussion page so others can chip in with their thoughts. Until the community has reached a consensus to drop the need for the signature to show the username, you will need to conform to that; if you don't, you're consciously violating this site's policy. Just like in real life, laws need to be conformed to whether you agree with them or not. --Dirigible 12:32, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

NOTICE
Please read GW:SIGN. Per policy, your sig must match to your user account. By signing as "jzf", you are violating site policy. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 11:56, 31 March 2007 (CDT)


 * If you take the time to read what is going on, you can see that I am quoting the policy that you are assuming I haven't read. -  jzf.  [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png]] 12:07, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Your name is being intentionally obscured - you are not making clear by other means. Also, the image use is a violation.  Failure to fix these issues can result in administrative action being taken. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 12:26, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * It's being intentionally clarified. I am jzf, make no mistake. User:Skuld is another example of a user using a class icon, and unless he was 'awarded' that as a symbol of being the communities official Monk rep, then I'm going to need a better reason not to use the Ranger icon. -  jzf.  [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png]] 12:31, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I haven't used that icon for well over a year, and I was the first to use an icon, well before the policy was implemented. If you wish to go and clean up my icons, go ahead. &mdash; Skuld 12:32, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Cool, no sweat, I'll drop the ranger icon. I was assuming it was the 'done thing'. -  jzf.  12:35, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * You're half right, the reason I dropped it was because everyone and his mother was copying it, clogging up talk pages, new users were even asking whether it was required that they denote their professions with the icons.. hehe :P &mdash; Skuld 13:01, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Per your own admission, you are User:Jzf. As such, this user ID has been banned. If you wish to sign as Jzf, that should also be the account under which you login. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 12:34, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Before you stormed in gun's blazing and banned my Seph Valentine account (which is my in game character) I was trying to get User:Jzf locked. You've blindly waded in and Banned the wrong account!  I've not gone by the name of "Jzf", I am recognised as "Seph Valentine" in a Guild Wars context and I am recognised by my internet communities as "jzf", and and if you put your gun down and read above, you can see there is a difference. - Joseph Valentine, as it is written on my passport, 12:49, 31 March 2007 (CDT).