GuildWiki talk:Suggestions/Notable guilds

PvP Guilds
Obviously you start at the top, so that means gold capes. iQ, EW, EvIL, eF, blabla, and probably including people like HAnD/Me. What makes a guild notable beyond that? Since there's probably a number of them. Lord of all tyria 18:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My personal main criteria would be guilds that you have something to say about. I mean, "we are a pve guild that likes to do dungeons" isn't anything worthy of note. "This famous guild won such and such tournament and defined a new meta with some build." is noteworthy on the other hand. PvP guilds would probably be easier but there are notable famous PvE guilds too. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 18:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Would LLL be notable? They are a Dutch guild existing since the betas. Gaile joined them on their 3rd birthday party (and LLL'ers spammed Guru about it... /ego-boost much?). But, besides that, they're nothing really special... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  19:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol; just cause I drafted up the page doesn't mean I have a complete vision for how it will work. I want people to give their opinions on both teh merit of the suggestion and ways we can make it work or if we should just scrap it. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 19:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I lolled at
"Overlap in information from GWW"

go go nuke the mainspace then? --- -- (s)talkpage  19:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Con
Does that really matter? Notable guilds != any and every shitter pve guild. Lord of all tyria 19:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * See the section below, we are now going to start documenting notable guilds. -- Shadowphoenix  19:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

"Notability" is very subjective, everyone thinks their own guild is notable to them, so feel this has the possibilities of just inviting revert wars, plus as mentioned above, a site is growing up to cover all things GW guilds related, so maybe we treat this like with the builds section that effectively got exported over to PvXwiki. --Wolfie (talk|contribs) 03:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Or maybe admins delete the shitter guilds using their logic.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 03:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Clashing with GWG
Ok, Guild Wars Guilds has been up for about a month or so now and we recently decided to do exactly what is proposed here with notable guilds. We document them in such a way that it is made known that the Guild Wars Guilds community runs the page and not the guild. One of the major things that me and some of the others were (and still are) trying to avoid is GWG becoming "competition" with the other Guild Wars Wikis, the implementation of this might just make that happen. -- Shadowphoenix  19:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "This is a list of all guilds that have been made notable by ArenaNet." Lord of all tyria 19:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, what? That is a sentence from a cat page... -- Shadowphoenix  19:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Guilds made notable by a-net. Would that include [QQ], who they removed from a ladder season. That guild was certainly notable, but would a-net say that? You're running a wiki about guilds, and GWW has a guild namespace. How is that NOT going to clash? Lord of all tyria 19:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think because we don't want wikia wiki's clashing? -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  I~sk8   (T/C) 19:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lord, read the info I have put up about the wiki on my userpages. "I in no way wish for the removal of the Guild namespace on GWW", "On GWW, guild pages exist to document the existance of the guild, which I agree with on GWW; however me and others think that guilds should have a resource in which they can advertise, discuss the guild, and be as creative a possible that is completely seperate from the game content".  Those are some of the major points that make it differ I suppose -- Shadowphoenix  19:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And this is different again, in that not every guild has a page, only the select few. Lord of all tyria 19:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know but we document noable guilds exactly the same as it is proposed here; that is unsettling for me I suppose... -- Shadowphoenix  19:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

This Guild Wars Guilds wikia site has nothing on it. Keeping information here would just make it easier for people to access relevant information and we could do a better job with the increased manpower here.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş   21:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Notable guild is rather ill-defined
If one uses the criteria that it has a lasting impact on the game, then there is no such thing as a notable guild. If any particular guild in the game were to disband, the players would go join other guilds and have the same lasting impact on the game (usually none) as if their previous guild had not disbanded. Even for the pvp meta-game stuff, the impact only lasts until the next skill rebalancing. One could argue that winning Hall of Heroes many times makes a pvp guild reasonably well known, but as soon as they stop winning there, their impact is presumably gone--and the number of players who would recognize the guild name will drop off quickly, too.

And what, exactly, makes a pve guild notable? Lazy is cited because they're known for spamming lots of towns in recruiting, but even they're only noticed because they have so many guilds with exactly the same tag. If their 13 or whatever they have guilds all had different tags, with even their unusually heavy recruiting distributed among so many guilds, none of them would be terribly noteworthy.

There isn't a natural place to draw a line that includes some current guilds and not others. Any attempts at doing so would just create fights and wiki drama. Everyone and his neighbor's dog will wish to declare that his own guild is notable--maybe not at first, but once guilds whose all-time peak membership is 8 (and never more than 3 online simultaneously) add themselves, there's no reason for anyone else to hold back. Quizzical 19:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're too stupid to figure out what a gold or possibly even silver cape is, I'd just take the time to find a noose for yourself, attach it to something sturdy so that the noose is about your height+a foot off the ground, stand on a chair, put your neck in the noose, and push the chair away.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 21:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * For starters, there is GW:NPA. But if you want nothing more than a list of guilds that have won tournaments, a single page with a list will suffice.  This seems to be a vastly more ambitious project.  Besides, a guild that won a tournament two years ago and is now inactive isn't notable for anything but historical reasons.  Quizzical 22:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * So, you're saying a team like [iQ] isn't notable for anything other than the fact that they won a tourney or two? Not the fact that they changed build wars forever? That they showed people that players with a good build can triumph over koreans with immeasurable skill? Not for anything like that? Not for bringing the power of AoE at VoD to light? Not for these glaring, historical accomplishments in GWs PvP history? This lack of reasoning only strengthens my reasoning of why your essays were so bad- because you have never played Guild Wars.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 02:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, admins delete using discretion anything that they consider to be not notable.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 02:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)