Category talk:GuildWiki policy

I have no clue where to place this request, so I am placing it here. I am asking that all admins weigh in on this issue and to treat me in this matter as just another user. I would like the admins to please draw some lines on the issue of me and Tetris. I have no issues with him being on the Wiki and I never envisioned this as a me vs him thing, but...

If he does come back and continues to mock me and assault my person as he has most recently done in GuildWiki talk:Mission statement with this doozy:

''Nonetheless, at the end of the day I think Karlos is overreacting. '''As usual he is sitting on his high horse with his untouchable moral standards and "turning a moskito into an elephant" (German proverb). Even if he is basically right, he's got a way to say things (and to rub it in by strict insisting) that gets people up the wall.' It has happened to me and several other main contributors (not typical dumb trolls), so I can understand Gravewit's and Nunix' reaction to some degree.

Then I need to know what are the limits here.

While we all have our own personal opinions on the personality and character of others, I think we all agree that this sort of talk is unacceptable. I have asked him twice to be cordial, at the very least neutral, but he has continued to wave the "I'll diss you if I have to" flag which I completely fail to understand. Since when is such a diatribe "necessary"?

In any case, please advise on what are the limits in this conflict. Are there limits to what users can say to each other? Is there a penalty for assaulting a user's person? Your explanation is appreciated. --Karlos 05:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I could now write a foot-long reply in my defense, throwing in lots of quotes (out of context) and try to turn the accusal away from me, back at Karlos. But that would only mean to "pour petrol into the fire" (another German proverb). I'll give it a day or two and let others comment first. I am very much looking forward to see what other contributors and especially admins think about the matter. -- 06:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The issue looks to me like one person is overreacting to another person's perceived overreaction, which leads to another overreaction. This is fed from past issues and will likely continue to feed itself into the future onto other issues, until people learn to take things easy.
 * But overall, between the semi-regulars (regular as in those who frequent here, not as in they are "normal") here (or the once semi-regulars), there has been more incidents of heated issues between Karlos and others (as opposed to others vs others). Whether it's culture, personality, or some other factors, I think it is safe to say that given any particular style of writing and choice of wording might lead to greatly difference in perceived offensiveness when read by Karlos vs read by the statistical average semi-regulars here (again regular as in those who frequent this place, not as in they are "normal").  For example, had that bolded text employed by Tetris L been used against me in a discussion, I would not feel offended or felt that was an insult.  This does NOT mean Karlos should not have felt insulted and offended.  I am just pointing out that the same writing cam mean different things emotionally to different people.
 * I think Tetris's writing was inappropriate. On the other hand, I would not have considered it a personal insult upon individual integrity, even if it were used on me and it were completely false.  It was just the opinion of somebody based on some observation, that's all.
 * So, I want to make a general call to all the regulars here (including Tetris and Karlos): when dealing with other regulars here, pay attention to what kind of things have historically gotten them emotional, defensive, or aggressive, and avoid that type of writing. Even if you think it is unreasonable for the other party to get offended, or even IF you intend to offend the other party, realize that the wiki progresses better as a whole if you can soften things a little.  "The other party isn't being soft" isn't a good excuse for you to not soften up, because otherwise we'll have hard collisions all over the place. -PanSola 08:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)