Talk:Ascalon Army

Please don't nag about the titles and ranks. This is my first attempt. Somebody with better knowledge of the structure of an army may fix that. I've got no clue whether a quartermaster is an officer or just a regular soldier. --Tetris L 22:24, 11 Oct 2005 (EST)

Oh, and how about a category Ascalon Army? --Tetris L 22:24, 11 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I think we should have a category for groups. Ascalon Army, Stone Summit (the article, not the category), etc...  --Rainith 01:48, 12 Oct 2005 (EST)

Oh I will nag about the ranks! It's my constitutional right!! :) I'll explain somethings below, but you did a VERY good job of compiling this list. As we can all see the reason this rag-tag army lost to the Charr is self-evident. :) Now my notes: I'll let you examine this and employ it into the article as you see fit. I don't see the way you laid it out as "misleading" or "wrong." --Karlos 10:58, 12 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * About forming a category: Sure, but if we form it, it should be Just Category:Ascalon Army and then everyone goes inside, independent of rank or sub-class. That's my opinion. And it should be a sub-category of Humans.
 * Tetris, you need a lesson in English nobility! :) Duke is not an army rank. Duke is a royal family rank. There is no guarantee that Duke Barradin is actually a commander in the Ascalon Army. (He is obviously a commander in the Vanguard.)
 * The "Warmasters" are apparently Knights. This guess I make based on Tydus who was "Sir Tydus" pre-searing (then again, Grast was still Warmaster before the searing).
 * A squire is the servant and trainee for becoming a knight. He's pretty low on the food chain.
 * In general, the other masters as not on the same "scale" as the knights.
 * Tydus is in charge of the Army by order of the king. Before the searing he was head of the academy and after the searing he is in charge of defending Ascalon (i.e. the army as a whole).
 * You seem to have a good grasp of how those ranks would stack in a real army:
 * coporal->Sergeant->Lieutenant->Captain
 * The catch is where to place the Squire and the Warmasters. I agree with the Warmasters at the top but I think the squire should be below Lieutenant.
 * Also, the tech corps should not be on par with the Warmasters. i.e. Quartermaster and Siege Masters are more like "Master Sergeants" than warmasters. i.e. they'd be below Lieutenant.
 * It's better to call "Soldiers" as "Infantry." Since categorizing Ascalon Soldiers under soldiers looks weird.
 * Finally, Flaming Scepter mages are not part of the Ascalon Army, they are a mage order that runs the academies. This is in contrast with the Engineer and the Academy monk who are part of the army.


 * Actually what I meant was we need a category for the articles Ascalon Army, Stone Summit, White Mantle, Shining Blade, etc... Currently most are in Category:NPCs, which drives me nuts as these are groups not NPCs. --Rainith 11:23, 12 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * But NPC is not a species classification. It's just a pool of all NPCs. i.e. look at Makar Thoughtslayer. He is an NPC and a Stone Summit. The Stone Summit lands him in the base pool of Bestiary while the NPC lands him in a different pool. The Ascalon guards would be NPCs and Humans, instead of Humans we'd make them into Ascalon Army and then Ascalon army would lead to humans and to bestiary. --Karlos 12:32, 12 Oct 2005 (EST)

Ok, I guess I didn't explain that Royal Family has no standing in the army. :) i.e. Duke and Prince and Lord are not army ranks. I do not know if Duke Gaban or Duke Barradin has any rank in the army (though they seem to be knights), but until we know, let's keep them out of it. We know Duke Barradin is a co-leader of the vanguard. --Karlos 15:52, 12 Oct 2005 (EST)