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Image use policy violation?
Here we go again. I hate to be the devil's advocate, because I think this policy is becoming more and more grotesque, but this image is not part of the fansite kit, and hence, as per our image use policy, we are not allowed to use it, unless we got written permission from ANet. Do we have such permission? -- 02:54, 20 September 2006 (CDT)


 * I doubt anyone has bothered to ask Anet for permission, but I'm sleepy so I'll let Karlos have a chance to answer before action is taken. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:05, 20 September 2006 (CDT)


 * No permission was sought. However, in the last installment of this lame theatrical play, I believe we had this discussion over some other image, and Barek (I think) or Gares e-mailed somebody in ANet and they were very welcoming. I fail to see the difference. --Karlos 06:38, 20 September 2006 (CDT)


 * "lame theatrical play"??? Huh? It's a violation of a valid policy, clear and simple! I learned it the hard way myself, as I've been told off several times for using images from official websites.
 * Don't get me wrong, I do not endorse this policy. Common sense should tell us what images we can use, not lawyers! I'd be very glad to see the policy changed, very much. But we cannot (officially) do that without permission from ANet. Yes, ANet granted us permission to use certain images in the past, but it was always just for one single image, not a general permission for all kinds of images from official websites.
 * Some time ago I wrote a draft for an email to ANet asking for a more general guideline and clarification. Triggered by the discussion today I finally sent the mail. Let's see what ANet reply. I'm afraight the reply will be negative. Gaile cannot give us a general permission to use any images. She just can't, for legal reasons. The NCsoft lawyers would tell her that she's nuts.
 * Maybe in future we should just stop enforcing the policy. I'm 100% sure that we will never receive a cease-and-desist order from ANet. ANet have proven in the past to be quite generous regarding use of their copyrighted material. For formal/legal reasons they must have a restrictive policy, mostly to cover their asses and to reserve their rights, just in case, but in practice they don't enforce it, especially not on their most supportive fansites. Actually, I'm pretty sure that tacidly they approve the use of their images, as long as it is in a positive way, cause it's all free advertising for them. But, as I said before, for legal reasons they can never admit that in public. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 09:04, 20 September 2006 (CDT)


 * The lame theatrical play is people thinking ANet will find us in violation of their copy rights for posting the pictures of creatures on the website. When ANet's community guys gave permission to Barek/Gares to use that image, I thought it was a clear sign that they don't fret that stuff. Their response wasn't "Ok, you can use it this time." Their response was "Of course." Anyways... I respect policies so if people want to enforce that. They are have everyright. I just think that precedent was a good indication to us that it's okay. --Karlos 09:15, 20 September 2006 (CDT)