Talk:Cities of Ascalon

reward stats
Are the reward item stats randomised, or have they just changed? I remember them having Healing prayers as the attribute, and the previous revision confirms it. --Talrath Stormcrush 16:01, 31 Jul 2005 (EST)

There's some mistake as to where The Historical Monument of Nolani can be found. You do not have to enter the mission as suggested by Nolani Academy (Mission) instead of Nolani Academy (Location), but have to leave the Mission Outpost into the Diessa Lowlands instead. I searched the Mission for nearly an hour before I tried went to Diessa Lowlands due to this description.

So I'd like to change the Quest Information to be a bit more precise, but since this would be my first contribution, I'd like to get some feedback on this before committing the change. --Si Tacuisses 04:41, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
 * You are right, there is an error in the description. By all means, go ahead and make the correction.
 * Generally it is a good idea to discuss a change on the talk page before making it. But in case of a correction of an obvious error there is no need for this, really. If anybody has a problem with the changes you made, he can object on the talk page afterwards, or revert your edit. --Tetris L 05:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I corrected the walkthru error on 1 Dec 2005, after doing the quest with one of my characters. I didn't think to check the talk page at the time. --Krissy 22:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed the note about "as of whenever it still exists." We don't want to come back to this page and keep changing that date, and if we don't change it, the old date will make the note useless. If the reward changes, then we change the listed reward. --Fyren 17:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I was planning on doing the quest with a new N/Mo to get the -50hp item, but when I got it for a new character, the Reward as stated are (I have a screen):
 * 1000 xp
 * Scroll: Energy +6 (req. 5 Earth Magic)
 * Grim Cesta: Energy +6 (req. 5 Blood Magic)


 * Which is exactly as it should be if you look at the quest page. The rest of the modifiers do not show in the quest log, you get to see those when you actually get the items.  --Rainith 14:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah; you're right; just completed the quest now. Lol, been playing this so long and didn't even notice it does that.  --TheSpectator 00:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Requirement?
Anyone have any insight on the latest anon edit? Is the great northern wall mission a requirement for this quest? --Rainith 11:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Because Defend the Wall is up there, I'm inclined to think the anon was mistaken. However, it might be a "OR" requirement.  The Ascalon area quest prereqs are a big tangle. -PanSola 13:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I have a character with both Cities of Ascalon and Counting the Fallen quests in the quest log at the same time, and Counting the Fallen was not marked completed. (I have, though, completed Defending the Wall quest and the Great Northern Wall mission.) My thinking is that ANY of the three listed prerequisites will allow Cities to be given by Symon. Would like to see this locked down. Queen of Spades 15:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * All requirements must be met, I just did this recently and consulted the Wiki to see when I could take it. Only after meeting all of the reqs could I. | Chuiu 11:15, 15 February 2006 (CST)
 * My character is being offered both quests at the same time. Counting the Fallen is not a requirement.  --68.142.14.117 13:31, 16 February 2006 (CST)


 * I agree, I don't think that quest is required. --Karlos 18:28, 16 February 2006 (CST)


 * Proof positive:
 * [[image:proof.jpg]]
 * --Karlos 18:32, 16 February 2006 (CST)


 * Reopening this can of worms, my character did Great Northern Wall mission (currently listed as only prereq.), but Symon would only give me Counting the Fallen, not Cities of Ascalon quest. --Queen of Spades 14:40, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Have you completed Defend the Wall yet? -PanSola 14:41, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes, Defend the Wall led me to the Great Northern Wall mission, and I did them in that order. Further, after I did Counting the Fallen and claimed its reward, Symon then gave me Cities of Ascalon. --Queen of Spades 19:41, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
 * I just made a character (to colect this kind of stuff), and I did NOT do the Defend the Wall Quest, but I did do Great Northern Wall. My character is level 5 and has done NO Post-Searing Quests.  I checked right when I entered and I could not get Cities of Ascalon, but after just doing Great Northen Wall I can. -- Curse You 2:18, 7 August 2006 (EST)

There might be a Level requirement instead of the normal quest-chain. Charr at the Gate establishes a precedent of having quest availibity based on level. - 19:52, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I just tested this with one of my Tyrian characters, and it appears that completing the Great Wall mission is the only requirement. The char I used did not even have the Counting quest nor the Defend quest accepted and in the log, but only completed the mission. Both the Counting quest and the Cities quest is now offered by Symon to this character (who is currently level 11). Therefore, the Counting and Defend quests are NOT a requirement, the Great Wall Mission IS a requirement, and if there is a char level requirement, it would be logical to assume that it is in addition to the mission - the Cities quest was not available until I successfully completed the mission. HanokOdbrook 15:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

Random Reward
This quest seems to yield a random reward, if you make a new character and go through the game can you take note of a couple things. The order at which you got the city markers and your class. If we can find a pattern to this it may be very useful to note it as many people actually use the -5 energy item for PvP. | Chuiu 11:15, 15 February 2006 (CST)


 * Wow, Chuiu, nice catch. I have never noticed this, but will try to keep an eye out for this. Besides, I have wondered how to find the -20hp item. Never knew it might be part of the reward for the same quest as the famous -50hp grim cesta.... I have never received it with the -50hp as part of my reward since I created my 55hp monk. --Queen of Spades 21:38, 16 February 2006 (CST)


 * Monk and Warrior: Ranik, Surmia, Nolani. -20 hp item. | Chuiu 06:22, 24 February 2006 (CST)


 * Mesmer, Bloodstone Fen, -5 energy scroll. Chuiu, do you still have the -20hp one? I'd like it ;) 23:15, 24 February 2006 (CST)


 * Unfortunately I found the -20hp item from this quest completely useless and sold it (because its +5 hp overall). If you're refering to the -20 from pre then yes I still have it.  I would be willing to trade it for the -5 energy item.  You can contact me IGN in one of the names found in my user page. | Chuiu 09:59, 25 February 2006 (CST)


 * Necro: Ranik, Surmia, Nolani -20 hp. Mesmer: Surmia, Nolani, Ranik -5 energy.
 * Necro: Nolani, King's Watch, Surmia: -20 Scroll. --Karlos 18:40, 26 February 2006 (CST)
 * Mo/Me: King's Watch, Surmia, Nolani. -5 energy. — egads talk 09:23, 4 March 2006 (CST)
 * N/E: King's Watch, Surmia, Nolani. -20 hp focus.--Razorfish 11:51, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Mo/Me: Surmia, Nolani, King's watch -20 hp focus..--neonblu 13:21, 10 September 2006 (EST)
 * R/Me: Nolani, Surmia, King's watch -5E scroll. Queen of Spades 06:47, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

After seeing a 2 monks do the same order and get different rewards I think we can assume that it's not based off class or order. Unless its based off seconday class which I doubt. I'm thinking its just that - random. | Chuiu 12:08, 23 April 2006 (CDT)

My inclination on this is where you get to before you accept the quest. From my experience (I do a cesta run every time I get sick of farming dye in pre, about 20 times or so over the past year) if you go back to Ascalon City from Frontier Gate you will get the -5 energy, if you get to Surmia then accept the quest you will get the -20hp, if you get to Nolani then accept the quest you get the -5 energy. Every time I have done this, and payed attention, I have done Surmia, Nolani, King's. My next try will be for the -20hp to confirm this. (E/Me is the only class I use to do this) I am also inclined to believe that nothing in this game is truly random or even psuedo-random except maybe mob spawn locations on zone. --Skekzyz 21:24, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

-energy scroll
what's the point of having this item?
 * If enemy try to drain your energy, they cannot drain you into the negative. So this acts as a buffer, a negative-battery that hides yoru energy to avoid being drained. - 13:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
 * In general, but not for this specific one since it's still a net +1, heh. --68.142.14.103 14:11, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Its a net -2 if you don't meet the requirements. And most people using it don't. [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C)  14:28, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

No more -50 hp cesta? (Moved from article page.)
I moved this here since it seemed to be unconfirmed and was expressed in rather opinionated language:

Originally posted by 142.179.232.229:

IMPORTANT EDIT (June 17, 2006) ~The Grim Cesta from the quest NO LONGER HAS -50 HP!~ This was done in order to stop the use of the "55(Invincible) Monk Build." This was not how the designers intended the monk class to be used, and they were malevolent enough to take away the key item in the 55 Monk arsenal.

... Confirmed? Denied? Nothing in game updates at the moment... &mdash; 130.58 (talk) ( 00:26, 18 June 2006 (CDT) )


 * It's kind of like the boy who cries wolf, ppl have been claiming it so many times ppl won't easiliy believe it's happening this time. - 00:39, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Well, since this guy has been somewhat vocal, I'm working on confirming/refuting this. It will take me a little while, but I have a character who hasn't done most of the stuff in post searing so I'm heading thru ranik now towards surmia and nolani.  --Rainith 00:41, 18 June 2006 (CDT)

''' FALSE!!! ''' The -50hp cesta is still offered. I say we start banning people who post this here when it turns out not to be true. (only half-joking here) --Rainith 02:55, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Seems like the only motivations to do it are:
 * gullibility - some guy on some forum said so, it must be true!
 * avarice - great way to get more money for your own stupid cestas
 * Either one should be reprimanded. The second one should be strongly punished. &mdash; 130.58 (talk) ( 03:24, 18 June 2006 (CDT) )
 * Gullibility isn't a crime of those ppl (just their parents) - 03:29, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * (Only half-serious) Nope, I am against banning people for posting plausible content. I think it's foolish to believe ANet wants to nerf the 55 monk build as they keep introducing skills to make it better. They have protected most of the high-level areas against heavily enchanted soloers. I think that was their concern. Not that people can solo Rotscale, but that they can do it at a rate 3 times faster than an 8 member party. The -50 is a low-quality version of the -20 items. --Karlos 04:23, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
 * i have a feeling some of the people who are confirming this are using canthan characters to test, rather then new tyrian characters. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 15:39, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Canthan characters can't even get the quest, can they? I was talking to my cousin and he stated that his assassin couldn't find any quests before Lion's Arch.  I have no personal experience with this, as I haven't taken a Canthan character to Tyria.  --Rainith 22:55, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Currently I have ran a war back through to ascalon myself (going for tyrian protector & cart). So far ive noticed that no quests can be done by canthans before Kryta however they can do the missions --Tsuka 05:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * If you think about it, it wouldn't be that big of an impact if the -50HP Cesta was no longer rewarded. There are plenty of -40 to -50 other focus items floating around in the market, and I doubt that just 10 HP would make that big of a difference in Invicimonking. I hardly see that as an issue to worry about. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:41, 10 July 2006 (CDT)

I've just received the -50 Cesta yesterday, it has NOT been removed (23 August 2006) &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.125.70.156 (talk &bull; contribs) 03:31, 23 August 2006 (CDT).

I've also got it today. It's still there. Xanic 18:53, 11 September 2006 (CDT)


 * I believe ArenaNet realized their mistake when they nerfed the HoD swords, and I doubt they will remove further weapons from the game. That said, whenever this gets edited to imply this, I will revert it (if no one beats me to it) until I see proof. &mdash; Galil  19:22, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

I HAVE PROOF!!!!
 * That's not proof. The quest dialog has always only showed the first line of the Cesta's attributes.  Once completed, the one shown still has the -50 health. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:10, 24 September 2006 (CDT)

OMFG TYTYTYTYTYYTYTY OK SRRY IM NOT A NOOB BUT really thanks awesome at faction noob at prohecies

I did the quest today and there was a -50 hp cesta
 * Anet really doesn't care if you 55, they're never going to remove it. [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C) 15:13, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

Did the quest today and got the -50hp reward. Now I just need to create a Monk character to try it out :). Ailurya Ai 21:03, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

Fan Unique Offhands
Added a link to the new canthan Fan offhands. It would appear canthan characters now have access to a similar negative energy item, with 5 more hp and a unique skin.
 * Those Fans give you +1 net energy if you dont meet the req. [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C) 19:19, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Apparently Green and White items only give you +3 energy if you dont meet the requirement, whereas Gold and Blue items give +6. See Talk:Tattered Fan. I tested a gold -5 item without meeting req and it does give +1 net. - BeXoR [[Image:Bexor.png]] 16:38, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

Still at 24-09-06 Grim Cesta -50 HP Positive

Suggested Edit
It is actually easier to get to the King's Watch Monument from Sardelac Sanitarium with the lvl 3 henchmen as long as you are the major damage dealer and at least lvl 8. The only enemies that pose any problem at all are the Grawl near where Devona stood in pre-searing, there is always one boss sometimes two in that location. Once in Regent Valley you should only encounter single enemies along the correct path (a half moon arc to the west then back east) to the monument. --Skekzyz 21:45, 24 October 2006 (CDT)


 * I will make the note that the enemies encountered will be easier. However, the geography of this area is sufficiently annoying that even if we post a red-dot path map, people can stil take the wrong turn, and there's another charr quest around here that if active could pose a major issue for a lv8 player + lv3 henchies if the wrong path is taken.  So all things considered, for the people who need to read this article to do the quest, I stlil think it's better to start from Fort Ranik (the level 6 henchies can eaisly take care of the harder enemies anyways).

GRIM CESTA -50HP
I did the quest two minutes ago 26 october, 2006 and found the Grim Cesta with -50hp, the rumor is !!!FALSE!!! you should edit the article to say that. The october 25 update did not affect it, it only affected the ss nerf. I also got the -5 energy scroll