User talk:Ttibot/Archive builds/Team - HA Burst Of Heat/Archive

Hmmmmmmmm NO! Solus   22:57, 2 March 2007 (CST)
 * The page says in huge bold letters its under development. --SBR 23:03, 2 March 2007 (CST)
 * The build has completly been redesigned (Thanks to Auron and Llednar ). I hope it is better now. Still under devellopement. --Ttibot 19:52, 3 March 2007 (CST)

Discussion
I cleaned the build up more such as names and stuff. Mgelo21 20:00,7 March 2007 (CST)

Hi. This is not a proposition of build for favored/unfavored but a work on a classical build used in HA. I'm trying to full fill this build and to add some different variants. You can Help! Feel free to make any sugestion or even to add directly on the build page.

Things that have to be improved :
 * Monks builds -> done.
 * Usage : I'm afraid that I'm not a native english speaker then I prefer not to give sucky explainations in approximative english. -> done.
 * Variants : many variants exists, you can fullfill with variants you have noticed to be good. I suggsest you post variants in talk page before. Then it can be checked by other players users before adding.

When evryone will agree that it is ready, this build may be added to "tested builds" page. Edit : I mean after a vetting process of course! --Ttibot 19:57, 1 March 2007 (CST)


 * Meh. No. Basically, you're prosing a meta build as your own; if it's good, people will vote for it. No reason to skip the voting process. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 20:20, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * Hum... "je me suis mal fait comprendre" (I didn't made myself clear enouph). I'm not proposing this build as my own. I just want to help new HA players, as I am, to find out how this build work. Because there were no previous page about it on the wiki. This build and even this page musn't be considered as mine. My first intention was to make a simple trame and to let experimented players fullfill it if they want. But then I though i had too play a part in it and decided to build this page with users comments. Wich is a better organisation and it is easier for others to just let comments. I'm getting tired by this attitude of some users who only post builds for personal gretting if voted. I love the wiki concept and i'm ready to help, that's all. And i didn't say that this build should skipp the voting process. I sayed that this build should be ameliorated until most of the people think the vetting process can start. --Ttibot 21:01, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * I was being overly simplistic. The build is not your own; however, the only way to get it posted on the Wiki is as a Build. Look at Build:A/W Moebius Impaler; I submitted the build, but the build was not my own. I was merely submitting it for the benefit of the readers. It was an incredible build, I was 99% positive it would be vetted, so I let the voting take its course. You should do the same with this build. Submit it, let people vote it into vetted-ness, and bam. Job done. Tbh, it looks pretty good as it stands; just keep adding variants as good ones come along (because it's very meta, everyone and their dog has a variation; some are good, some suck. Be sure to only add the good ones). -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 23:28, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * Its ok, thanks. Sorry if I have been a little rude. I know that it is a meta build and that's my problem. I don't want want that this page to be considered as the reference and to kill people creativity. I will add something about it in the page.--Ttibot 09:01, 4 March 2007 (CST)

Standard HA Build. -- Kanin Fan
 * That's why i'm doing this page ^^ --Ttibot 20:11, 7 March 2007 (CST)

Old Discussion on my home page.
Not mine of course. It has many variants, feel free about adding. I may have made some mistaks with Monks i don't play them. Tell it here or correct directly on the build page if you are sure that it is mistakes. You can help. --Ttibot 19:41, 26 February 2007 (CST)

The set up I usually see is two BoA Sins, a Savannah Heat, a SS Warder, and the two monks. 204.52.179.199 16:09, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Ok, the same. I had on the idea to add it in variant but I will finaly make a more general page with Dual spikers in variant. I'm quite unsure of what is the best configuration for monks yet. If someone has an idea... --Ttibot 16:51, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Merge
I think this build with SP and the water ele is really better, but this build: Build:Team - SH Pressure was created before... A merge or? (well i think the best will be to unfavord the other and keep this one... I think SP > AP and Water Ele > Warder. What do you think about that? --Benoit flageol 10:55, 4 March 2007 (CST)
 * Lol, I'm sorry about this. It seems I had been a little lunatik when I checked the others builds. I asked User:Chronicinability about this. If this is right that Burst Of Heat is more complete then maybe merge his build into variants. Or I don't know. --Ttibot 18:17, 4 March 2007 (CST)
 * Like I said on the SH Pressure talk page, I really think your build is better, but the SH Pressure was created before so, I don't know... Well The SH Pressure will be probably Unfavord ^^, so let's keep your build! --Benoit flageol 20:18, 4 March 2007 (CST)
 * I added AP assassin into variants. Looks not bad. (however you can't use the combo for 45s if you fail to kill the target because of hex requierement on Black Lotus Strike and Black Spider Strike). Better be used with with a water ele or the SS variant. --Ttibot 20:59, 4 March 2007 (CST)
 * Hey sorry didnt get back sooner. I was going to update the Build:Team - SH Pressure page because we have now changed how we use it. We use two Shadow Prison Assassin's instead of the AP. We also run 2 SH ele's instead of the warder. I can either update my page, or i am happy for a merge with this one. --Chronicinability 20:16, 7 March 2007 (CST)

Variants Proposals
I categorized variants so that I hope it is easier to read now.--Ttibot 16:50, 6 March 2007 (CST)

Build was redisigned
Water Trident ele (with deep freeze and ice spikes, naturally) instead of Warder. Wards are somewhat outdated; they do their job, but other things do it better, what with skills the way they are now. The exact bar would probably be Freezing Gust, Ice Spikes, Deep Freeze, Blurred Vision, Water Trident, Glyph of Lesser Energy, Water Attunement, and Resurrection Signet. -Auron  20:16, 1 March 2007 (CST)
 * Ok, changes managed. Warders moved to variants.--Ttibot 20:23, 1 March 2007 (CST)

1 ZB Prot, 1 LoD Infuser. -- Llednar  22:54, 2 March 2007 (CST)

My current guild runs these...



~ Monks can run GoLE/Aegis Variants, Hex Breaker helps against other similar teams.-- Llednar  23:08, 2 March 2007 (CST)


 * Ok, I was quite unsure on the monks configuration. I will replace them when i will come back on monday because it is time to sleep for me now. You can manage this now if you want. What about the eles builds? Does the currents ones ( * Here I spoke of the builds wich were previously on the page. I didn't want to say that your build were sucky.^-^) looks to be sucky or should I only add some variants? --Ttibot 01:44, 3 March 2007 (CST)

Nah They're not sucky, Fire Builds should always have Fire Attunement...-- Llednar  03:02, 3 March 2007 (CST)

Thanks for your contribution. This is helpfull. Sorry if there were a missunderstanding - see : *. However why did you deleted the variants "dual spikers teams" and "warder"?!? This should only be done if there is a general consensus on it. I would like this page to make an overwiew of some Sin+SH teams used in HA. --Ttibot 08:54, 3 March 2007 (CST)


 * Oh the Warder's deletion was an accident, the Dual Spiker was the same as the above team without a water ele, I think that should be put as just a variant rather than an entire new section on the page.-- Llednar [[Image:Assassin-icon-small.png]] 13:10, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * Well... I will write some text about this variant, that should be be enough. --Ttibot 17:49, 3 March 2007 (CST)

Main team : builds variants/changes
Meteor for Flame Djinn's Haste. Need a relic runner.--Nog64Talk 21:58, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * Ho, right! done.--Ttibot 22:46, 4 March 2007 (CST)

Quoting Llednar  : Monks can run GoLE/Aegis Variants, Hex Breaker helps against other similar teams.
 * Do you have the exact build? I didn't find it yet (but still trying).--Ttibot 10:52, 6 March 2007 (CST)

I saw many SH ele using Teinai's Heat and Searing Heat instead of Imolate and Glowing Gaze. And Using Hex Breaker to counter the Water Trident Ele during a Relic Run. --Benoit flageol 13:26, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * So do I. Added. Teinai's Heat and Searing Heat may be added in the main build. I think it fits well with a water ele in the team. --Ttibot 16:50, 6 March 2007 (CST)

Team variants
I saw many SS necro replacing water ele on euro server. Someone gived me this bar as a build :

It's from the Irons. What do you think about it? I don't know what can be used as optional. Maybe Ethereal Burden, Imagined Burden, Kitah's Burden, Arcane Echo, a degen, an interrupt... I will try to get more information about this soon. --Ttibot 23:16, 4 March 2007 (CST)
 * Soul Barbs spamming FTW, IMO.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 16:55, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * Nah, Spiteful Spirit doesn't help the build much. I've seen AD2 teams running CG rangers instead of the water ele, but it doesn't make it any good. However... a hex pressure class instead of the water ele seems to be somewhat common (still not as common as a snarer, but they're around). Basically, one of two things; a Reaper's Mark necro (with faintheartedness etc, standard bar) or a Migraine mesmer (with phantasm and images of remorse... the standard bar for that). I don't like either as much as a Water ele, but they're commonly run variants. Maybe we should organize the page so that the Water ele has an asterisk or something, and lower down, we list all the possible fillers for it (necro hexer, mesmer hexer, ss warder). -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 17:10, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * Ok, good idea. I do it.--Ttibot 17:20, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * I took this bar from the wiki for the reaper mark necro. Does that fit? In what concerns the Mesmer I'm not used with this class then if you can be more precise.--Ttibot 18:19, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * I took this bar from the wiki for the reaper mark necro. Does that fit? In what concerns the Mesmer I'm not used with this class then if you can be more precise.--Ttibot 18:19, 6 March 2007 (CST)

or

imo. -Auron  18:32, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * lol, thanks.--Ttibot 19:17, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * Ok. I'm only wondering about Faintheartedness + Price of Failure. You don't use this two skills on the same target do you? or maybe the most important is 25% miss and not damages? --Ttibot 19:28, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * Price of Failure and Reckless Haste go on one target, Faintheartedness goes on the other. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 19:43, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * Ok, Thanks.--Ttibot 20:16, 7 March 2007 (CST)

With all these variants, you might as well just rename this "Metagame as of 03/07/07." --Nog64Talk 23:13, 7 March 2007 (CST)
 * Lol, This build is very meta as auron said. Adding variants is a good point but there will be soon too many. I'm planning on moving some to the talk page or something else. So that the main page will stay clear. Will do it soon.--Ttibot 00:01, 8 March 2007 (CST)