User:Mendel/Talk Archive 2

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You forgot to remind me that I am valuable xP-- - (Talk /Contribs ) 12:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm unsure what the proper etiquette is: does the more recent member remind the "older" one, or vice versa? --mendel 14:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just incase i failed to convey my sarcasm across t'internet again, i was joking. In an ideal society nobody tells anybody they are valuable since its patronising and annoying to the point where you want to punch the person who said it, however cynicism is frowned upon so generally speaking it's older members reminding newer ones, along with such painful rhetoric as "Hi there valued contributor" and, as on my first talkpage, "Thankyou for your cool input". But yeah, t'was just joking :)--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (Talk /Contribs ) 18:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ha, I'm better at deadpan than you, then! "Proper etiquette", I thought that was a giveaway for sure. ;-) I think I had that actually done to me by someone who wrote something along the line of "I'm writing this because of GW:YAV", and that sounds slightly insulting: "you only have value because the policy says so (if not, you'd be scum to me)." I'm sure it wasn't meant that way, though, or I misunderstood.
 * What other rites of seniority are there, then? Having your talk on more than 10 people's watchlists? Do admins count double? --mendel 22:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I try to ignore the wikidrama.. I wasnt involved in the Felix vs R and Banj at all! :o &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * xD, sorry i missed that :P I think that some people seem to perceive number of archives as some kind of status symbol (I have 3 - is that good? probably not), general talkpage activity might be another. I guess obviously sysop/bcratism is a right of seniority, despite people's insistence to the contrary. As for having your talkpage on peoples watchlists, is there even a way to find out who is watching a particular page (short of asking, obv :P)?--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (Talk /Contribs</B> ) 09:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Post controversial content, see who replies. You need a good knowledge of which buttons to push for which people to get reliable results, and even then they might just have been watching Recent Changes.
 * I'm going to fill my archive 'til my PC can't handle the size. --mendel 12:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I consider it quite impressive how long I've been here, in comparison to the size of my talkpage. Lord of all tyria 12:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You probably have to relate that to the number of edits somewhat. --mendel 13:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's see then...

(I'm taking the liberty to add the Bytes columns to this table. (mendel 17:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC))
 * Conclusion: Number of edits has no direct correlation to talk page activity, but characteristics of the user can be inferred from the data. LoaT is a lurker.  Mendel is new.  Cobalt doesn't really contribute much.  Warwick wins at wikidrama.  I am the least controversial person on the wiki (2 years, 8k edits, and only 1 archive?  Yeah. :P ).  Hooray for scientific reasoning!  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Builds section stole contributions from me. /sadface. Lord of all tyria 15:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You lost 496 Contribs due to deletions so far, Loat :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  15:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I lost like, 700 mainspace contribs from deletions :p  Light   Kitty   15:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You dont even have 700 contribs :p. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Contribs as an anon, much? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  15:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * what I was gonna say ;)  Light   Kitty   15:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Its a conspiricy! ;O &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm waiting for a redirect to appear for a GW-user page to Lightkitty. Makes sense for a 700+ edit user.
 * Anyway, I added byte counts (edit page - copy& paste everything into editor) to the table - feel free to add yourself if you aren't on the table yet, if it's popular I'll make a page of it. I hope that my bad ratio is indeed "new user syndrome". That said, I think "number of talk page archives" is indeed a status symbol in some circles. As is "number of user boxes", of course. --mendel 17:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "Cobalt doesn't really contribute much" Plah! I beg to differ! Cobalt just didnt contribute much in his first few months, as such number of edits divided by number of months on wiki doesen't provide a very impressive figure (I also lost some to deletions), but i usually check the wiki atleast 2/3 times a day - i would consider myself to be fairly "active" anyways. I also did an event thing - that must count for something :P Also, a rough count gives me approx. 50 userboxes - TEH STATUS! (or perhaps not) - maybe we should count number of userspace pages/total size in bytes of userspace and/or position in special:Mostlinked/number of links to user created stuff. Still, interesting data, perhaps we can plot "The Maui Effect" on a graph :P--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green">Contribs</B> ) 18:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

If you wanted to measure user activity, you'd have to get the Contributions list and find an average number of bytes per edit, multiply that with edits made. It's a bit hard to get reliable data from the main/non-main ratio, as the Dr has removed numerous redlinks from Userspace (I've been working that as well). Size of Userspace and Mostlinked can be gamed - May had her bot create over 300 pages that link to her userpage and talk page. It's still be hard to figure out how useful the edits actually are. --mendel 20:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)