User talk:Defiant Elements/Contest

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Contestants
Leave your signature and the skill you would like to use as well as the link to your build (the link may be added at a later date).
 * 1) My main build will be with Infuriating Heat,  Here . --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   18:06, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * This build has now been updated for 8v8 Heroes' Ascent. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   11:25, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Second build with Amity is  here --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   20:19, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) Third build with Extend Conditions is  here --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   22:57, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 3) Mark of Insecurity. I've always liked that skill, and I'll find a way to use it.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Yaaaay.JPG]] 23:03, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 4) I'll take "It's just a flesh wound.": Build:P/W Para Purifier. Cheese Slaya 23:49, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 5) I call dibs on Trapper's Focus. I'm pretty sure I've got a working build setup, R/Rt Focused Farmer. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jioruji Derako.>  01:31, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 6) PANIC! is so mine, I've already got a build in template using it: Build:Me/any PANIC! Slvrwolf 03:31, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 7) I'll take Lyssa's Aura. I love that skill. May or may not be the best skill ever but it's sure as hell a lot of fun.  Zaq
 * 8) I will also take Hex Eater Vortex as well, if that's cool. Here it is. Zaq 05:16, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 9) I will also take Lyssa's Aura Waterbotle5
 * 10) I will take Infuriating Heat Jupsto [[image:Feck_Off.jpg|19px]]
 * 11) I'll join, Extend Conditions ~Readem
 * 12) If allowed, I will also try Panic ~Readem (Ill try to be done Tonight)
 * 13) Symbols of Inspiration for me :) InfestedHydralisk  [[image:Shadow_Prison.jpg|19px]] 05:53, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Build:Me/Mo Symbols of Scourge take a look :) InfestedHydralisk  [[image:Shadow_Prison.jpg|19px]] 14:21, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Infuriating Heat as well. --Dazra 16:43, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) Weaken Knees for me.-  Leader Rat [[Image:Rat.jpg|19px]] 10:58, 20 March 2007 (CDT) Changing to Defender's Zeal.-  Leader Rat [[Image:Rat.jpg|19px]] 06:57, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * User:Leader of the Jahai Rats/Build:N/Mo Necro's Zeal.- Leader Rat [[Image:Rat.jpg|19px]] 13:28, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Defender's Zeal shall be mine! seeing as its smiting (ftw) and as no necro ones are left :( tho I might play around with Weaken Knees, as I had thought of making a build for it in the past.  ~ Soqed Hozi ~  14:10, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Any number of people can choose the same skill. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 14:43, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) I'm making a Panic Build... Vladimir 15:39, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) I will take Tranquil Was Tanasen. Abs of Glue 01:20, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 3) I'd like to give Symbols of Inspiration a try. Enigma 14:28, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 4) I will take Magehunter's Smash. Solus  [[image:Shield_of_Judgment.jpg|19px]] 02:52, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 5) Weaken Knees &mdash; Skuld 03:17, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 6) Extend Conditions for a second. Solus  [[image:Shield_of_Judgment.jpg|19px]] 03:45, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 7) I made a build for Lyssa's Aura i posted it at User Talk:Waterbotle5--[[image:barrage.jpg|20px]]  Waterbotle5
 * 8) I hope I can still join. Anyway, I'll do Shared Burden. --Rickyvantof 10:52, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 * 9) I will be using Balthazar's Pendulum as my elite. The build can be found here.   Mj Is Scary 21:09, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

Discussion
How many people you think will sign up for this? I can only think of builds for maybe 3 of these skills off the top of my head. May I sign up for all of them? --   20:26, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * We will see how many people sign up. I just posted this a few hours ago, but, if we don't get many submissions, you can write builds for all three.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

Panic
It's a Mesmer elite, not a Necromancer elite. It's also somewhat popular in HA. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 22:26, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Possibly true, but this page does not ask if the skills are good... only if they have been used. You like it, you go make a build with it! --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    22:27, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I never said anything about liking elites. It seems like a contest for unused elites, but Panic is not an elite that is never used. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 22:30, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Let me elaborate, in order to be entirely objective, the question is not even whether or not the skill is used in game, but rather whether we have a build anywhere on the wiki that already uses it. I checked what linked to Panic and couldn't find any builds, therefore, it goes on the list.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * We have a Peace and Harmony build? &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:14, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Skull Crack, Mind Freeze....--Nog64Talk [[Image:Yaaaay.JPG]] 23:15, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * For Mind Freeze: Build:E/N Blizzard, for Skull Crack: Build:A/W Cracker. When I said no builds posted for an elite, I meant 0.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)


 * Build:Mo/any Harmony Healer
 * Build:Mo/Me Heal Party Spammer
 * Build:Mo/any Peaceful Enchanter--[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   23:17, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Unfavored, those blow anyways. Plus, I don't see any skills not found in unfavored builds already. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:18, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I went through and checked what linked to EVERY elite. Only elites that had ZERO builds were put on this page.  That means ZERO favored, ZERO unfavored, ZERO stubs, ZERO untested.  Yes, those builds DO suck, but the whole point is to go where no one has gone before and do something entirely different.  This is also entirely objective so I don't have people complaining that one of the skills I listed is actually good and another person complaining I forgot a bad skill.  If the elite has ZERO builds it is in, otherwise it is not.  This is MY competition, I believe I have jurisdiction over the rules.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * For future, it's much faster to just go to "Search" and enter this: "Build" and "Name of Elite". It pulls up all the builds and maybe 10 irrelevant pages. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    13:20, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes, I'm sure if this was clarified in that header on the contest page, there wouldn't be any questions asked. Plus, it states there's no consideration for unfavored builds, so that might be a correction to make. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:34, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I meant that if you post your build that you made for this contest, and it gets unfavored, it may not be considered. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Fixed some wording, added a bolded note at the top of the page, etc. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)


 * Build:A/W Cracker
 * Build:W/Rt Full Prevention
 * Build:E/N Blizzard
 * Build:E/N Mind Rend

And all the elites on the list on the other page appear in NO builds, unfavored or otherwise. That's the whole point. --   23:20, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks, people don't seem to want to understand the entire premise of my competition. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

Ah! This is just a perfect idea I think, and definately a contest I want to enter. But those newbie build makers have stolen all the good crappy elites! (actually, I probably stole a few of them myself... I know for a fact there's a Seeping Wound build out there with my fingerprints all over it). I'm surprised that only a few professions have Elites left untouched... Assassins are popular, I suppose, and most of the other professions are very flexible (all the Elementalist Elites used up comes as no surprise). I'm just a little stumped now... I don't want to go using any Elites others have already used (I know there's no rule against it, but it's a personal thing). And of course, the Elites I have ideas for have been used already. Even one of my favorites, Shadow Meld, was stuffed into a stubbed build, just to fill up the Elite slot. You can expect me to have an entry up soon enough though, I think. Either I'll get some crazy idea for a skill, or I'll break down and use an elite that one of the other entries is already working on. :P -- Jioruji Derako.> 23:58, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Oddly enough, Mesmer's have an incredible number of unused elites compared to every other class. Sigh, Mesmer's are my second favorite class and they get so little love :(.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * I know what you mean about people using the elites you wanted poorly and I would make exceptions except that I want people making these builds with no reference or starting point (aside from what they see in-game or elsewhere). Theoretically, in a contest like Nog64's you could look at the comments on an existing unfavored, clean it up with 4 different skills and post it.  That's why with mine, I only used skills which have never been used before.  I want something new.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

Infuriated Thumper Supporter
No this won't compare completely to a RaO thumper. It has lack of pet IAS and movement buff (with the current bar, can be changed). But since you can spam hammer bash foes should be able to kite too much, KD every 3 hits. Also this with a team of ordinary thumpers or warriors means double adren for all, which owns. It wont have energy problems like RaO. The original bunny thumper is more simular but alot worse uses same IAS buff but its elite does a little self adren gain, which is inferior. Yeah. Jupsto 09:19, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Call of haste, poisinous bite, I blow, Distracting Blow, Run as one


 * Seems like a cool idea... and providing you sync up with your teammates, you can really take huge advatage of Infuriating Heat (a P/W in the support row can spam "Go For the Eyes!" and "Watch Yourself!" twice as often, not to mention how this would help a normal warrior on your team). I like it... --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jioruji Derako.> 16:32, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Remember, as per the rules of this contest, you are allowed to make a team build if that is what works best for your skill. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Nah I'm not making a build just suggesting an idea. Me and guildwiki comunity disagree 100% Jupsto [[image:Feck_Off.jpg|19px]] 12:16, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

When are we Judging?
Just wanna know.Readem 17:53, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Not bad enough?
Who else finds it interesting that 7 of the 19 skills here are not listed in Nog64's Contest? --   19:06, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

who cares, I win. Jupsto 19:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Sure you do... lol. I still think InfestedHydralisk has this one locked up.Cheese Slaya 01:24, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

Grading Rubric
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Category (pts)

 * Creativity (30) -- How novel is your build?
 * Viability (30) -- How well does your build work?
 * Use of Elite Skill (20) -- How integral is your elite to your build?
 * Style (10) -- How cool is your build?
 * Total Possible (100)

Miscellaneous/Bonus Points

 * Favored Votes (Discretionary)
 * Unfavored Votes (Discretionary)
 * User Comments (Discretionary)

Judging
Judging will commence sometime in the next month depending on whether or not we have any more entries. Users should use this time to finalize builds and build pages. Users should create a section on the talk page specifically for this contest so that other users can make comments on the build. These comments may be taken into account during the judging, and evident support as shown in comments may effect the overall score. All Bonus points are at the discretion of the Judge. Links to builds should all be provided sometime in the next couple of weeks. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 02:48, 23 March 2007 (CDT)

Left out Elites
Is it just me, or should Magehunter's Smash be here? --   23:57, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * As far as I can tell it should. Thanks for catching my mistake.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 00:21, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm about to catch any others too. I'm doing a full list of every skill that does not exist in a favored build (or any build) Here.  Don't mess it up, but you can use it for refrence. Currently almost done with warrior. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    00:23, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Well... I am not doing no favored builds though. I think I got most of the skills that have absolutely no builds.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 00:25, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * We'll see. =) --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   00:30, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Remove Equinox: Build:Team - Deadly Pressure --   22:16, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * It was posted after the contest began, so no, it stays. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 23:32, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh, stupid me for not double checking the date. My bad. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   23:34, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * No problem. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 23:35, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Anthem of Guidance shows up in exactly one build, and isn't even on any of the skillbars in it, merely an Optional. --   07:39, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

My Builds

 * Defender's Framer
 * One on One KD sin

 ~ Soqed Hozi ~  03:37, 31 March 2007 (CDT)