User talk:Xasxas25616711

Bow Chart
Nice work. It would help a lot if you actually put in the firing rate of those bows instead of saying "if it fires as many shots as a flat bow it's flat if it fires as many shots as a long bow it's long" post the actual numbers as well. Just a suggestion. Thanks. --Karlos 07:07, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I felt the comparision helps eliminate semi-systematic errors on the user side, due to reaction timing and stuff. I guess a 30-sec interval is supposed to spread that out so it becomes insignificant... -PanSola 07:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I didn't know what semi-systematic meant but I figured it was a really good word for describing why I did it. Then I looked it up, you just made that word up didn't you PanSola :Ãž I did it like that because people's timing method might be different, ie you could time starting from when the first arrow is fired and count the number of times an arrow is launched. Or you could start timing when the character first puts an arrow into the bow and the count the number of times the arrow his the target creature. But it doesn't matter how it's timed as long as it's consistant between each bow and 30 seconds should be long enough to differentiate between the bow types.
 * Well, "semi-systematic" means halfway systematic... And system implies consistency.  The same human will tend to err in a consistent way, but not exactly in the same way, thus the errors are only "semi" systematic, as opposed to fully systematic.  So, essentially how you explained it, with the additional attention that it's a human, not machine (whose error can be considered fully systematic), doing it.  --PanSola 12:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * It's a good suggestion though Karlos because the person may not have the appropriate bows to test with but it would still allow them to figure out what type it is. I'll mull on that for a little longer. --Xasxas256 11:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thats a very nice chart! I had know idea about anything but short and long bows :)

On the Forgerunner, it's a longbow, "feathered" longbows as they're know, the prestige skin. 212.158.245.101 08:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk about late, but nonetheless, isn't the chart flipped vertically? I mean, if you were using the "mystery bow", and then switched to a horn bow or whatever is in the medium range; if you had to run towards the monster, that would mean that the "mstery bow" had a range LONGER than a horn/composite/whatever bow, right? I'm pretty sure that would mean it's a long bow. (in otherwords "Yes, it's a long bow (or whatever else has that range, flatbow I think? I've been out of the game a while)" or "no" not "yes" and then "no it's a long bow or et. al.")  Or am I the one who is backwards? Evan The Cursed (Talk) 17:47, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Hey, mind if I delete the older versions of the bow chart, or is there some historical value to them? --Rainith 00:15, 3 July 2006 (CDT)
 * No go ahead, I've saved them to my HDD now and I can't think of why I'd need the old ones anyway. They're very small, around 10KB each but hey every bit helps ;) --Xasxas256 00:19, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

To Do section
I really should add some info about choosing a secondary class on it like I said on Talk:Roleplaying character creation using User:Xasxas256/Secondary Profession Guide

Update troubles
Hehe, looks like we finally got it sorted out with today's update, did we? I wasn't aware you were already updating the updates page until I got an edit conflict. :) Yes, time zones... always check the official page for dates and such... --Eightyfour-onesevenfive 20:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Ra, Rt, etc.
Hey, just noticed the developments since last night. I think you at taking it too personally. You are valuable, but that doesn't mean that other users won't ruthlessly edit your works. This is both the beauty and the curse of wikis, but more beauty than curse, I think. I certainly didn't mean any affront to you personally and sorry if anything I wrote came across that way. F G 23:24, 6 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Problem was that nobody edited the article, people just jumped on the talk page and rubbished it. As I said on Talk:Ri I'd had a bad day, thought I'd do something useful by doing a few GuildWiki edits, I came home cold and wet to a couple of people telling me how useless those two articles.


 * Look I'm fine now and it wasn't a total loss, I got to have a discussion with Karlos re communism and stuff which was interesting. I'm in a much better mood now, I got a bit unhappy earlier but I didn't swear at anyone or anything. I think I described it as: I just generally became kinda bitter and pissed off at the world and threw in the towel. I mean I didn't threaten to quit the GuildWiki or anything. I just didn't let it slide like I should have, Karlos and I were talking about Ghandi before, I'm just not that calm, I do get pissed off occasionally! (Although this is probably the first time on the GuildWiki.)


 * However that said, I don't know how: If you are advocating for Wa, you might as well be advocating for the slaughter of infants to harvest their organs. And I have just one question for you. Why do you hate babies? rates in my book, on an issue that has obviously become a bit more charged than it should be, that's probably fanning the flames a little unncessarily. Still by the time I got to reading that I was back in a happy enough mood and it didn't worry me too much. But it doesn't directly address why you disagree, for my mind it's just a joke that stirs people up. Anyway thanks for dropping us a line and clearing the air. --Xasxas256 23:43, 6 April 2006 (CDT)


 * That line about babies was mostly a joke, of course. Was it not obvious? F G 23:50, 6 April 2006 (CDT)

Savage Slash in the Me/W Spell Slasher
Okay, now I'm paranoid... wish I had the time to go double-check all the prebuilds for correctness. Sigh. --130.58 03:07, 12 April 2006 (CDT)


 * That was a quick reply! Well I wish I had a PvP slot so I could check it myself :P I'll have to wait until EB gives me a call and tells me my copy of Factions is in before I can test it here. I think this one is probably an exception, it looked totally different to the other premades before I got to it today...but sorry I can't confirm or deny that your paranoia is well founded :P --Xasxas256 03:15, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

Augury Rock to Thirsty River discussion
I told you I'd harrass you about some more articles with a cleaup tag. With Augury Rock to Thirsty River I think you were the creator and it had a cleanup tag on it. I did some extensive editing to it but I was a bit rushed cos I was about to knock off work :) But it looks like you've picked up the ball and started making improvements. Previously it just wasn't appropriately written, the writing style was too informal. Also it mentioned being in a group and fighting this and that but also said things about running. I tried make it more formal and take out the fightning references, it's not a hard journey to fight from Augury Rock to Thirsty River but I suppose the run isn't totally straight forward. Still you can change however you like, I'm not fussed and you'll probably know better than me what the original author's intentions were. :) But the thing did look like a good (bad?) example of how wikis can result in articles being non cohesive and looking like it's been written by different people. --Xasxas256 03:23, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Xeeron added the cleanup, I've never laid a hand on that page! Skuld  03:25, 12 April 2006 (CDT)


 * I was the creator and I did the recent edits. This and other information you can easily glean from the page's history. I completely and adamantly oppose making it a running-only article. &mdash; Stabber (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Geez no need to pick a shotgun and start waiving it at me from your rocking chair! I already said you can change it to read however you like in regards to the article describing running/fighting or both, because you'd know better than me. There's no opposing anything if there's no opposition. Do what you like, today I just simply decided to cleanup some of the articles that were cleanup tagged, some of them had been tagged quite a while ago, some of them were indeed pretty ordinary. This article just simply wasn't written well, it was informal and looked thrown together by multiple editors. So I think it reads better now but please, there's no need to completely and adamantly oppose anything, I'm not going to revert any edit that adds the fighting info back in (and even take out the running info too, doesn't worry me, I was just trying to improve the writing). --Xasxas256 03:35, 12 April 2006 (CDT)


 * I am surprised that you are lecturing me about "poorly written" articles, and I question your judgement about the quality of the text. Informal it may have been (hey, it's a wiki, not an encyclopedia the last time I checked!), but it was thrown together by me, a single person, not a cacophony of editors. You may consider reading some of the related articles, such as Augury Rock to Elona Reach, to see why these guides mention both fighting and running. &mdash; Stabber (talk) 03:45, 12 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Look it was flagged for a cleaup so I did my best to clean it up. Ok I'll start with the running/fighting thing first:
 * I don't know how many times I can say it I don't care, at all, if it talks about running, fighting or both why do you keep bring it it up!?!?!? I've already said that you were the creator and YOU know best what the intention of this article was, I just tried to improve it because it was flagged. You're trying to get me to argue about something that I'm not fussed about, when I initially brought this up I said:

"Also it mentioned being in a group and fighting this and that but also said things about running. I tried make it more formal and take out the fightning references, it's not a hard journey to fight from Augury Rock to Thirsty River but I suppose the run isn't totally straight forward. Still you can change however you like, I'm not fussed and you'll probably know better than me what the original author's intentions were. :)"


 * I explained why I took out the fighting references but also said that you can change it, this was just how I saw the article but because you're the creator, I defer to you on this one. When Xeeron flagged it for clean up he/she said "(added cat. added cleanup: Language. This should differenciate between running and group travel (fighting) like the other guides)" So I went with running, if you don't like that decision, that's fine, you're the creator, change it back, there's no problem, you don't need to argue why, just do it!


 * Ok onto the language aspect, Xeeron said the language needed improvement, I agreed, so I tried to improve it as I saw fit. To me that article was written far more informally than the average article on the GuildWiki, if you disagree that's fine. But We_are_not_Wikipedia makes no mention of the writing style used here and Augury Rock to Elona Reach was also written by you, it's not really an example of how this particular wiki is very informal. That said however (and this makes it a bit more interesting :P )I don't have any problems with the language used in Augury Rock to Elona Reach, to me it's neither particularly formal or informal, it's pretty neutral and fine in my book.


 * Basically I improved the language and decided to make it clearer as to whether or not the article concerned running or fighting, because that was what was requested in the cleanup --Xasxas256 04:25, 12 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Maybe I'll just append an addition, Stabber, there's nothing to be discussed/argued about in regards to putting the fighting info back in so we don't have to worry about that. I probably shouldn't have said "poorly written", not a good choice of words, I just didn't like how informal it was. But if your intention is to make it look like Augury Rock to Elona Reach, that sounds good too me. You've obviously spent some time creating these pages and their maps, so I don't mean to bag you, but I perceive Augury Rock to Elona Reach to read better than Augury Rock to Thirsty River did (before today). But if they were to look similar, I'd be a happy man.--Xasxas256 04:33, 12 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Ugh all the trouble caused by one small innocent edit by me. What I was thinking about when I said "This should differenciate between running and group travel (fighting) like the other guides" was that all the other guides have 2 subsections: One for running and one for fighting. That would be nice to have in this guide as well. --Xeeron 05:11, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

Re: Note to self on your main page
That's a valuable note to remember! --Barek 09:46, 18 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Are you mocking my note? Don't make me use it on you Barek!!!! It's the only thing more powerful than double echo meteor showers isn't it? I must admit that am a little disappointed that I've got one of those commonly seen "notes to self" sections, my user page isn't unique anymore :( --Xasxas256 21:57, 18 April 2006 (CDT)

Reply to question about Drago's Flatbow and Victo's Battle Axe: Yes, they have been upgraded to 20/20 sundering, ONLY on ones that have dropped after the major update, which included the increase of max sundering mods to 20/20..I do not have a picture as I have yet to acquire said items (bow's selling for 100k..axe 70k at this time, and tombs/SF runs are few and far between) also not great at the wiki thing..but ask around ingame, I am sure you'll find this to be fact..on a random note, I do have screenshots of a monstrous eye dropping off a spined aloe, unfortunately its apparently not a usable file time on wiki (bitmap) Calintz Lockhart, IGN is the same. also known as Alex Litvin, Azel Yurameshi Date umm..April 28th? and is it the year 2006 or 2007..lol I apologize if I am doing something wrong by posting it here, this just seems to me to be where to post replys to messages?
 * No probs, sorry for the mix up, I saw your edit at work so I couldn't check it in game. When I'm on the GuildWiki at work, usually I'm just fixing typos and vandalism (unfortunately I guess but I have a lot of respect for this site and its contributors so I don't mind) and so that's why I came to that conclusion. Still no harm done and yes this is the right place to bring up an something like this (you could also use the articles talk page but it's much more likely to be noticed by the person in question on their talk page). If you want a bit more info on editing this wiki, you can find some stuff on my talk page (for example we sign our talk page comments with ~ to automatically append your username and the date). Hmmmm I might have to go back to B/P Tombs faming...!--Xasxas256 13:02, 28 April 2006 (CDT)

'kay good to know we're on the same page here ;) also good to know people are actively protecting the site against people who would seek to harm it. On the b/p tombs farming thing..MM nerf ftl, lol..still doable but that coupled with factions release= pain in the rear end...now lets see if the autosign works edit: ya works..also updated Bludgeoner's page to reflect the new stats. Calintz Lockhart 21:01, 28 April 2006 (CDT)

Quests
Actually you should check Style and formatting/Quests the completion dialogue should be in the quests, along with any intermediate dialogue. --Rainith 20:13, 30 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Hmmmm I remember reading ages ago on some talk page someone saying it'd be nice to have the completion and intermediate dialogue but I don't remember a final answer being given. There's still only very very few quests that have more than the initial dialog at the moment but thanks for pointing me to that page. I'll add to it that we use to indicate that a NPC is referring to your name in the quest dialog because that seems to be largely what we've used in the past.
 * On another note if you look at say The Ancient Forest you'll see the category is written as: (actually you're the person whose done it on that page). Is that how it's supposed to be? Style and formatting/Quests doesn't seem to suggest that... Tell me which is supposed to be correct (and update Ancient Forest, The if need be, I'm tidying up the factions quests at the moment, I'll change all the categories along the way if need be.) --Xasxas256 20:31, 30 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Putting the category that way just makes it so that in the category listing the quest is listed in the A's for Ancient as opposed to the T's for The. That should be done for pretty much all categories if the name of the article begins with The, A, or An (those are the ones that I can think of off the top of my head anyway).  That does not need to be done for all category entries, i.e. the quest Blood and Smoke should just have  in it and not  .  So in answer to your question, that should really go on the main Style and formatting page.  --Rainith 20:40, 30 April 2006 (CDT)
 * I can't help but notice that half an hour has passed and there's no changes to Style and formatting, was the above a call for me to "get to work!!" or more of a whimsical sigh that it should be there. Or something else again?
 * According to Administrators it says: "84.175, Karlos, Rainith and PanSola are on the wiki daily to fight vandalism, block users, delete pages, and respond to general user requests." So why don't YOU get to work and do it! :P Don't make my WikiStress go up!!! (Actually in all honesty I'm not sure that I'm supposed to change stuff on Style and formatting, without some massive discussion but you with your fancy admin powers can do what you like hey? :P :P) --Xasxas256 21:27, 30 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Actually it was just a general observation. It was neither a request for you to do it, nor a statement that I would. You must take responsiblity for your own WikiStress, no one else can do that for you.  :)  --Rainith 21:52, 30 April 2006 (CDT)


 * My WikiStress is just like everything else on this wiki, it has many contributors, some better than others!! Still on my travels through [[:Category:Factions quests I've just come across a well written one that I didn't have to tidy up at all, A New Escort which was created by you. Can't say much about the one before though...Naga Oil, should fire the person who did that :P --Xasxas256 22:09, 30 April 2006 (CDT)

Happy Birthday
Come back when you are done partying. --Xeeron 04:31, 8 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Thanks Xeeron, means a lot to me, maybe more than it should. --Xasxas256 04:56, 8 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Happy B-Day. Not sure why you are leaving (have not been following the wiki too closely since Factions came out), but don't be a stranger. :) --Karlos 06:28, 8 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Happy Birthday, as a fellow May-born person (it's my 21st Birthday tomorrow), I hope your break is relaxing --Jamie 06:32, 8 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Thanks Jamie, have more fun on your 21st than I did today. You're user page says you're a Pom, good luck with that :P Nah seriously the next Ashes series should be a awesome! In regards to tomorrow, make sure you drink plenty of Foster's! --Xasxas256 07:59, 8 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Why I'm leaving? Well there doesn't seem to be enought sense of community here. We joke around a little bit on talk pages but it's often misconstrued as taking the piss (we need some emote, pic etc. to indicate a comment made in jest). I just don't seem to get as much out of the GuildWiki as I used to. I've lost the desire to keep editing.


 * For example, there's not much back patting here for a job well done. We don't have any awards. For a long time I was kept going by a desire to learn how to operate a wiki and a sense doing something worthwhile but that's not enough now. I don't feel as though the GuildWiki "needs" me, it will operate exactly the same regardsless of my presence or lack thereof. This wouldn't be that much of a problem if I had a sense of real belonging here but I just don't feel it anymore.


 * A case in point, when Xeeron went on wikibreak, I couldn't believe that nobody else passed on their regards. I'm not saying for a second that I'm the model citizen of goodwill, I'm saying there's no strong culture of it. I don't know if it was there before but has been lost or if it's still there but I'm just not feeling it or if it's never been there. I'm not slagging any individual off, like I said I think it's a cultural thing here which has also been ingrained into me. If you're still enjoying your time here don't let me be a wet blanket and spoil your fun, I'm just being honest about the way I personally feel. --Xasxas256 07:59, 8 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Wow, I just found out now that Zeeron tooka break from April 18th to the 29th. :) Shows you what I know. :) We do need to build a stronger community, suggestions are welcome. I personally don't fancy awards much, but mabye light-hearted contasts and awards in those contests. For example, a contest for "Most significant minor edit" to see who abuses the "m" edits the most (I'd be right at the top), a contest for "What will the third campaign be about"? stuff like that, fun and at the same time does not propagate boasting and elitism. Last thing we need is a bunch of R9 contributors flashing their kitties at us. :) --Karlos 15:59, 9 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Well you could start by spelling Xeeron's name right :P Yeah on a simillar theame there's been a bit of talk recently about how many contributions a user has made and how "important" their contributions are which I don't like. I just think that having a Guild Wars Wiki vs a forum, if I'd posted 500 times on a forum I would have had plenty of jokes, known a fair bit about the other regulars and when I log on for the day, I'd feel like I'm checking in on the GuildForum community. Here...not so much. Maybe we need a Requests for fun page or something! --Xasxas256 12:06, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

Insert Heading Here
Wow I finally get a gig on Gem's user page, pity I've removed most of the content off my page now. I guess you can remove the link to my page now mate and I don't know how much longer I'll continue here anyway. This site has been my favourite waste of time for a while now and mean that in a very fond and affectionate way but I don't seem to be deriving much enjoyment from being here any more. Anyway thanks for the memories guys and girls. There's no big parting statement here from me, quite the opposite actually, I'm a bit sad writing this, I'd like it very much if I could rekindle my passion for GuildWiki editing but until then bonsoir. --Xasxas256 06:23, 8 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I feel empty. You just made me realise one thing. I have stopped enjoying my time in the wiki too. I don't think the reason is the childish fighting going on, but the fact that everyone is contributing Factions stuff when I don't really play Factions a lot yet. However, I will stay here and try to clean up the Prophecies stuff which others ignore and try to enjoy my time by listening music.
 * Enough of myself. Enjoy your time whatever you end up doing. It was nice to be a fellowcontributor with you! --Gem [[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|Gem]] 08:04, 8 May 2006 (CDT)
 * By the way. I didn't remove the link, I just changed it to point to the good old version. Have fun! --Gem [[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|Gem]] 08:12, 8 May 2006 (CDT)
 * By the way. I didn't remove the link, I just changed it to point to the good old version. Have fun! --Gem [[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|Gem]] 08:12, 8 May 2006 (CDT)

I'm sorry you're leaving, good luck for the future Skuld  08:05, 8 May 2006 (CDT)

Jamie says "Relax!"
You can do it! (last time I checked it wasn't against GuildWiki policies) you remind me of my friend Peter... always so stressed. --Jamie 09:25, 9 May 2006 (CDT)
 * What am I doing? Oh relaxing, yeah right! Haven't you still got a few hours left of your birthday? What are you doing here? :P I can't do a pic so here's some ASCII art instead:

 .-"""---..____   '               `.        __..--""""-.   |    ..___         \    .'             `   |   |     """".     \  /    .---"""--.  |   |   |          \     \/    /         |  |   `   `\._________\    /    /________./'  ' ___\_______________(_______)_____________/____ (                   |       |                  ) (                   |       |                  ) (                   |       |                  ) (                   |       |                  ) (                   |       |                  ) (                   |       |                  ) (___________________|_______|__________________)
 * Happy birthday mate, when I get my thoughts in order I'll put something up on my user page. P.S. I don't know this Peter fella you speak of but he must surely be more sane than me, I only know his name but hey Peter even sounds a whole lot less insane than Xasxas256! --Xasxas256 09:53, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

What?
Why keep it hidden? Do you think I would continue my new bad habit by copying those loooovely link boxes? I wouldn't dare. *ctrl-c, ctrl-v* ;) --Gem 11:59, 10 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Ha ha no you'd copy them, then make them look good and put me to shame! Actually I'm more worried about spending time on making bits of my user page look good is truely joining the dark side. So tell me, what's it like over there? :P --Xasxas256 12:09, 10 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Pretty stressing actually, it's not easy you know. Those copycats and stuff... ok, you probably don't. ;P --Gem [[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|Gem]] 12:21, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

Wikistress?
Is your wikistress still at that level? I hope not and you definitely don't seem too stressed to me. Maby mu fun section really is a great place to hang out. --Gem 07:51, 11 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Btw, do you want to upload new versions of the wikistress images, with transparent backgrounds? (need to be .png then) They look ugly everywhere on my page, I just can't find a good spot for one. I could do it too if you don't want to. --Gem [[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|Gem]] 08:12, 11 May 2006 (CDT)
 * You're welcome to, I've actually done a really quick edit of the No Pants one (the colour looked too similar to Image:Wikistress3D_1_v3.jpg, you can see the original no pants here). But because I have no colour or rounded corners (I don't know why I'm mentioning rounded corners but I'm sure they're partly to blame!)on my user page, I didn't think about transperancy. I'm off to bed so I won't have time now anyway, knock yourself out, here's to hoping you start with the No Pants stress level! --Xasxas256 08:20, 11 May 2006 (CDT)
 * w00t you've got no pants!...on your user page ;) I've cleaned that image up because the blue text was awful before. --Xasxas256 08:36, 11 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Welcome to the club! --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 09:34, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I actually went to post a note on your talk page with the good news but you beat me to it! You're watching my pants very closely indeed Gem! But I'm ok with that now, how can anyone with no pants be self conscious!--Xasxas256 09:43, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I am beginning to feel a boit weird as I have more users in my watchlist than normal pages. Time to visit the shrink... --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 09:45, 15 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Well if you find a good one can you get me a referral? My current one clearly isn't helping at all! Nah in all seriousness, user's talk pages are the lifeblood of the wiki, any sort of decent size issues will get escalated to somebodies talk page. It's a good way of keeping track of both what's going on and how many layers of clothing people are wearing.--Xasxas256 10:14, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

Spellings
Not to add to your wikistress, but the game uses the American spellings of words like Enroll and Rumor. (At least in some cases it does, they are wonderfully inconsistant at times.) --Rainith 03:23, 13 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Damn sorry about that, I normally use a text editor with the language set to American English because Guild Wars uses it. But today I'm not on my normal PC and I didn't think of it. I'll set the language to Yank English now, thanks for picking that up for me. --Xasxas256 03:31, 13 May 2006 (CDT)
 * np - also check out the resolution in Talk:Seek out Brother Tosai, more of the fun inconsistancies. :(  --Rainith 03:34, 13 May 2006 (CDT)
 * That is truly terrible, I was actually on the way to do that quest myself because it seemed very odd to me. Oh well GuildWiki editing would just be too simple were it not for things like that! --Xasxas256 03:37, 13 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Heh, I was just about on my way to bed (1:30am here) when I saw your edit. My first thought was, "Crap!  How did I miss that when I caught the 'Seek Out Headmaster...' quests?"  I had to take a level 10 character through the prerequsite for this quest to check it out.  :)  Oh well, off to bed now.  --Rainith 03:40, 13 May 2006 (CDT)

Deleting builds
If there are any builds in the to be delete category that you feel are worth keeping, please put your name on the talk page, I will definitly check those tomorrow and remove the delete tag if enough people vouch by then. --Xeeron 06:49, 13 May 2006 (CDT)
 * "I didnt see your vote on many builds", you know why? Because I've become like PanSola, I don't seem to play the game anymore, I just edit the guildwiki. I logged on today, but only so I could add some images of some NPCs...it's a little sad really. Anyway I think it's just a "bloke" thing, some of those builds are probably crud but like any "bloke" I hate the idea of throwing them out, I could use that crappy build/broken monitor at any time in the future! --Xasxas256 06:56, 13 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Ok I finished moving them. You might want to read about Bishops proposal as well. --Xeeron 07:34, 13 May 2006 (CDT)

GWiki comic
Are you still up to it? If yes, I'll make you the 'script' for the first strip soon. :) -- 03:49, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I've given this like a lot of thought, like quite a lot. The problem is that I don't know if I'll be do it justice. There's a few things holding me back, firstly I have very little confidence in my own ability to draw these days. Secondly I'd have to do it at work, I don't know how much time it would take up and how busy I am at work varies greatly from day to day, I may not always have the time to do it. I do want to do this, it sounds like a really good fun project but I also want to do it properly. The other thing I'm thinking about doing is getting a friend to do it which probably wouldn't make much difference to you (as to who does the actual drawing is behind the scenes, I'd just have to give him/her credit I suppose). When you start talking about scripts that sounds serious, I don't want to see you put in a whole lot of work then have me back out. Could you give me a couple more days so I can work out if I'm going to take it on board and then if I am going to; the best way for me to go about it? Thanks. --Xasxas256 21:05, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Don't take it too seriously. I am not doing anything great and magnificent, just tossing up a few ideas and making a 3-5 box long strip 'script'. A simple idea put in words and possibly a horrible sketch which you/whoever can use as the basis for the real drawings. I am not putting hours and hours to this, so don't worry. If you do not want to do this, its ok and I'll try to find someone else. :) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 04:46, 17 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Sorry for taking so long to get back to you Gem, I actually replied to this a couple of days ago but I think it was when the GuildWiki was having problems and my reply obviously wasn't saved. I've given it quite a bit of thought over the last week and I've decided that I cannot take this up largely because of time. I've looked at how busy I am for the past week and I don't think it would do either of us any good for me to take up this project. I'm really sorry Gem, I would have loved to have worked on this but I hope you'll still go ahead with it and I'm sure it'll be really awesome. --Xasxas256 22:27, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * If anyone is reading this and has some kind of drawing skills you might be interested in this, Gem and I were thinking of doing a comic for the GuildWiki, if you're interested you should definately drop Gem a line because I'd love to see this get off the ground. --Xasxas256 22:29, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Although Karlos and Xas are able to do stuff, more people area always welcome. We could change the style now and then. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 14:49, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

Revert war
I'm slightly dissapointed by your comment, "That said 1RV makes sense and I can see that Rainith is starting to get involved in an revert war as I write this." as I did no such thing. I made one edit to a page, and then one rever when my edit was reverted, then I left the page alone. I was not about to revert it a second time, and it seemed obvious by the user's comment that english is not his native language, and I wanted to give him time to comprehend what people were posting on his talk page.

That said, I didn't take the comment personally and I certainly hope that my comments here have caused no offense as that was not my intent at all. Even though you and I have had one or two disagreements recently, I have a lot of respect for you from what I know about you based on your work here. And mostly I wanted to make sure that there were no issues between the two of us here. Anyway, it is late for me, and I need to get up in... oh, less than 8 hours to go to work, so don't think that I'm ignoring you if I don't respond to any comments until tomorrow (or later today for you maybe, you're in Austrailia right?). --Rainith 23:08, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
 * When I said revert war, I didn't mean you were in the wrong, Watterly was the one who reverted a revert. So in other words you did nothing wrong whatsoever but you were "involved" in the war because it was your revert that was wrongly rereverted. I think that after we had a disagreement about something (I think it was regarding appropriate things on user pages issue) we've basically forgotten about it which is excellent. Seriously I know it's a small thing but being able to just read a comment, respond to it and not bear a grudge against someone is an incredibly powerful skill to have for a wiki editor.
 * Sorry about saying that you got into the war without adequately explaining what I meant. It was just that even though those border images annoy me a lot, I didn't want to revert the edit because I knew Watterly would just revert again. It seemed pointless so I went to PanSola. I just wanted to express my frustration that whoever tried to revert the article so it didn't have those bordered pictures, would get caught up and there's no way of taking them down. Revert once and I was sure Watterly would revert again. Once that's happened none of us can revert again and we're stuck with articles with those boarded picture. It sucks, like I said the good guys who actually follow policy and do the right thing and read their talk page (Skuld's comment was put on Watterly's talk page days ago) have their hands tied and the article is left in the wrong state. Thanks for the note about you going to bed, no probs, yep I'm in Australia and it's 2:22pm as I write this. Hope we can clear this up quickly mate. --Xasxas256 23:23, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
 * No worries then mate. :)  I'm cool, you're cool, everything is cool.
 * BTW - I'm trying to start up a little discussion about the Image use policy by creating a Draft and posting on the GuildWiki talk:Image use policy page. Take a look and see if you agree.  Of course after I went to bed last night I got to thinking up stuff that I had left out, so I'll be adding some more to my draft when I get home from work.  But I'd like to get a dialogue going with people about this so we can try to get some sort of policy in place.  --Rainith 16:07, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

Guardsman Zingpah
Added the screenshot you requested for :) Cliff 24 May 2006
 * Awesome, I was so annoyed when I realised you couldn't just walk up to him from Kaineng Center. That day I created articles for most of the NPCs there, added their dialog and a screenshot etc and by the end it was complete except I hadn't filled in all the armor types for the armor crafters and I was missing just one screenshot for him. Thanks so much for doing that, the only thing is, and I'm sure you're not going to be happy when you hear it...is that you've got the green circle/green text on him which we try not to get on our GuildWiki pics here (none of the other Kaineng Center NPCs have it). If you could take it again with him unslected (select yourself or something) that'd be great but I don't know how hard it is to get up there, don't spend ages on it. Thanks a lot though, the green is trivial and I'm pumped about getting "complete" pages for the Kaineng Center NPCs, you even did the dialogue too which is great! --Xasxas256 21:02, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I'm glad someone else remembers that, the green circle thing. Do you remember where it is stated?  I was trying to tell someone else that a few weeks ago, and I couldn't find it for the life of me.  --Rainith 21:08, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Sorry I forgot about this but saw you back online which reminded me, sorry I'm not sure where I saw it written. --Xasxas256 22:13, 24 May 2006 (CDT)

Quick Thanks
Wanted to drop a note to say that I ran across your page and it has been very helpfull with regards to syntex for my page (Valen). I hope you do not mind me borrowing some of your formatting. Again thanks and nice page. --Valen 22:45, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
 * You've given credit on your user page so that's fine, no problems. You won't win any style awards using my page for inspiration though ;) --Xasxas256 09:10, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I actually like his user page and it might make it to my ~List Of Cool User Pages (also known as 'the Gems list' ;) ), but only original work is accepted. This one relies too heavily on the material from other (yours) user pages. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 10:30, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

"Hey"
* As you turn to look, Gares appears out of the shadows of the dark alley.*

Hehe. I'm always around. I step in, sometimes stumble in, to a discussion when I see misinformtaion being thrown about. Other than that, I usually don't have much to say...most of the time.

* Gares disappears back into the shadows as quietly as he appeared from them* :D

P.S. Might want to think of archiving some stuff. This page is getting kinda big. --Gares Redstorm 23:00, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * What I actually want to do is just remove the sections where I sound like an idiot and just leave the current discussions and the sections where somebody is thanking me/making me look good! That's probably a bit dishonest though itsn't it :P Seriously though, doing an archive of my old stuff is on my to do list, however creating a to do list is also on my to do list. Anyway thanks for dropping in, next time I'll try to start a sentence with the word "Seriously" and actually be serious for the whole sentence! Anyway I'm happy, I've now got you chatting on both my user page as well as yours, and suceeded in dragging you away from the far more useful activity of tidying up bosses while hiding behind some boxes in an alleyway! :D --Xasxas256 23:17, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Car crashes
I was just about to hit that save page button and post this on Template talk:Cleanup but I've decided to put it here, it doesn't really belong there. Also putting it here mean I can say thanks to Barek and Rainith for their support, I didn't feel like a damsel in distress or anything, probably mostly because I'm not having a gender crisis at the moment but your support was nice anyway. Ok onto the post:
 * Probably "We get edits all the time with people testing out their ability to edit (almost) all the pages." puts it best, thanks Rainith. I find it interesting watching human interaction on forums/wiki etc., it's strange how something like this gets heated. A lot of the time this would go more along the lines of both people being apologetic and having a laugh but some reason our Tor user went on the front foot. Maybe although I finished with a thanks, I was a bit abrupt with my first comment on this talk page. I think that even though our Tor user said "wtf rv" before that, it still hung in the balance at that point. But the next post which said "Unless the policy of this wiki is to assume bad faith" I think it was all over, that kind of sarcasm directed at a person meant this discussion was destined to degenerate at that point. I've always found something like this is like watching a car crash that you know is about to happen, once that sarcastic line was written, it was like the car had lost control at that point, even though it hadn't hit anything yet, you could tell it was about to crash.

Make of that what you will. --Xasxas256 22:53, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I was thinking along the same lines. I could see exactly where it was going.  Although, I didn't make any effort to avoid that destination as you attempted.  What I find ammusing is that Tor anon would reference You are valuable; but failed to recognize that the same right granted him to "question, suggest, and even change the GuildWiki" is also granted to others, so it's totally reasonable and in fact explicitly granted by that same policy to allow others to question his changes.
 * Oh well. What's done is done.  The Wiki moves on. --- Barek (talk &bull; contribs) - 23:02, 7 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Live and let live. You kept your cool in a discussion with a person that lost his. I was hoping he would have explained why he thought Template:Test was more efficient than Template:If-Then, but unfortunately it seems he temper got the best of him. Take it all in stride, stuff happens. You did the right thing in that scenario and that is all that matters. --Gares Redstorm 23:09, 7 June 2006 (CDT)

For your consideration
Don't know if you're at all interested in this, but I'd appreciate your feedback here about this. --Rainith 00:42, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * No probs, I've taken a look over it and whacked a comment on. --Xasxas256 08:22, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

Sorry mate..
I'm rooting for the Samba boys. Nothing personal against Kangaroos. :) --Karlos 06:28, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * No worries, although I must say though I was laughing my arse off watching Basil v Croatia, Ronaldo is just like Diego Maradona these days, a big fat guy who used to be good at soccer! Watch for Tim Cahill, the guy is a god amongst men! I may be eating my words in a few hours but for now, I'm happy that like the rest of the country, I've caught soccer fever! --Xasxas256 06:37, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Tough break for the Socceroos, they tried. :) You guys are not as bad as you used to be. :) --Karlos 17:52, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Yeah was disappointing to lose but we played really well and had plenty of excellent chances to equalise. Although Cahill was a bit quiet, I'm not sure if he even had a shot on goal, Lucas Neill was fantastic and it was good to see Emerton lifting a notch in this game. We're looking good to progress past the group stage, a win against Croatia will guarantee it and a draw will probably be enough. The only thing I'm unhappy about is someone let off a flare right next to me as I was watching, those things are really nasty, for the minute or so they're going you pretty much can't breathe! Work's gunna be great fun today, I had 1.5 hours of sleep last night! --Xasxas256 18:12, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I only saw clips from the game here and there. Brazil looks ugly this year. I doubt they're going far with this mindset. Good luck with work and recovery from the noob ele who used Flare on you. :) --Karlos 18:21, 18 June 2006 (CDT)

Voting
"I was sure I'd already voted plain text on this but I must have dreamed it. What a waste of a dream, I can do so much better than this!"

Hah must have been on one of your socketpuppet accounts. Keeping track on what you did is a hassle isnt it?

Thinking: ''Need to remember to log out of Xeeron and into Xasxas before replying. 2 accounts that start with X, how more obvious can it get? Hah all fools here ...''

;-) Xeeron 09:33, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Actually ages ago I thought it'd be a good idea to upload some simple emoticons, so when I'm writing something stupid, irrevrent, crazy or humorous I could whack an emoticon on (like everyone does on forums) but I later decided it wasn't a very wiki-like thing. So I saw the edit summary of; "wiki doesnt like emoticons ..." I thought maybe you could see into my head and I was living some sort of Fight Club type Pitt/Norton life! So this begs the question Xeeron, are you Dr Jeykell or Mr Hyde...? :P --Mr X 19:21, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I am the cool good looking one who gets the woman ;-) --Xeeron 07:26, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

Looking for help
I am looking to insert a If-Then-Else to change the background color based on the if conditional, i.e. Yes = light green background, No = light red background. I have been searching through the wiki for instructions or an example (that is simple and readable - found a couple in skill box templates, but they were too complex for me to understand). Would you or anyone who reads this know of a simple example of a If-Then-Else structure. As always, I am in your debt. --Valen 21:42, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Heya there, I'm about to go out and play some soccer and then eat lunch and to be honest I'll probably knock off early after that. Just because I'm at work doesn't mean I have to do work! So if somebody want to give Valen a hand while I'm you know not working hard that'd be good, other wise I'll take a look at it in a few hours time when I get home and hopefully begin creating a minion army of GuildWiki contributors who are "in my debt." (they're much better than sockpuppets) :) While I'm out, it might be useful to say a bit more about exactly what you're trying to do, is it a bunch of checkboxs that you want to tick off or something else? Cheers mate. --Xasxas256 22:27, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Given that Arrowsmith and PanSola have both posted some help on your userpage and you've not replied, I'm presuming that you're ok now with the changing background colors issue. --Xasxas256 18:47, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

My Sig
Okay, Auron needs more help. When I put between the name and the tag, it has the alt tag saying "my talk," but when I click, it redirects to the userpage. Any way to redirect to the talk page? -Auron  02:12, 20 June 2006 (CDT)
 * It seems ok to me, the alt tag is fine and when you click the image, it redirects to your talk page. It does both things perfectly fine to me (before and after the edits you've just made which add underscores, you don't need the underscores btw although in the case it makes little difference.) --Xasxas256 02:52, 20 June 2006 (CDT)
 * eh, Auron feels retarded. It worked fine for me, too, after I cleared my cache. Yea, I'll go back and pretty it up, now I know it works and all... Thanks again! -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]]  17:51, 20 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Hey no probs, much as I don't really worry about things like making my user page look nice, creating an awesome sig etc. it's just wikicode which I'm not too bad at writing so I'm happy to help out. --Xasxas256 18:27, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

so sorry
I knew something did not seem right when I was typing in Edge of Extinction (spirit). I see that you have corrected the path of what I wrote. Thank you very much :-) - IxI Raiden IxI
 * Hey no problems, just one more thing, as Vortexsam just said: blanking a page doesn't delete something, just add a tag; blanking doesn't mean deleting; sysop or admin will take care of it. You need the tag for the article to be deleted. (An admin checks that the article is safe to delete before removing it). Now you've learnt two things :) --Xasxas256 17:44, 22 June 2006 (CDT)

Thanks
You helped me add my signature. I am not very good with Guildwiki, but I play Guild Wars alot more. I'm not sure if you play PvP or PvE, but my monk has conquered PvE and plays PvP too. If you want anything just Pm me - Odereroin Morlak Murphyp 13:09, 23 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Hey no probs, we're a pretty helpful bunch here on the GuildWiki but it's always nice to get a thanks tho ;) --Xasxas256 02:36, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

Congrats..
Made it to the quarter finals.. Kangaroos can play soccer it seems. :) I think you have a good chance against Italy, those guys can't score easily... You guys can steal the match. --Karlos 03:20, 24 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Yeah I hope so, I watched the USA v Italy game and found the Azurri's performance pretty underwealming, the Yanks were unlucky not to pinch a win. Italy to me is a different team this world cup, they were formaly best known for shirts so tight they looked painted on, winging players and oscar winning driving ability. This time around they look older, (think Buffon, Totti and Del Piero) and lack the air of superiority. They certainly won't be easy but they're by no means unbeatable. I really like our chances, Kewell and Viduka still haven't hit top gear yet, if they do I reckon the game will be ours. (Unless we get another crazy ref, 3 yellow cards, what is that!) --Xasxas256 04:19, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

Petrify
heh - you posted before me again, adding the tag. I really need that +1 typing speed rune; I wonder if there's a seller in Droks ... --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 09:32, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I think PanSola farms typing speed runes, get Pan to hook you up with one. :P It's ok when your RFA finally goes through, I'll +del tag 'em, you delete 'em :) --Xasxas256 09:38, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

Credits
FYI: I saw the post on your user page re: the gray boxes saying "please give some credit on your user page for it". Just for the record, I added credits on my user page the same day that I "borrowed" the boxes. Now you just need to chase down all the others using the boxes :-) --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 09:58, 24 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I've tried to remember to put a note on everyones talk page if I see anything copied form anyone without a note. It's really easy to see if anyone has copied these boxes, but I know there are a couple of users using them without credits. (Can't remember names, sorry) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 11:04, 24 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Dang I forgot to reply to this earlier, thanks for that Gem, I do the same when I see someone using your layout, I think more recently here where they actually thought they'd done the right thing but the person they'd credited actually took the layout from your page :P :P All roads lead to your user page Gem ;) --Xasxas256 04:37, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

Farming
I'll post this here because maybe someone can help me, I've got some mates coming around in 1-2 hours and normally we just play through the campaign. However tonight we want to do some farming on account of us all feeling poor. There will be three of us, I've got an E, R, Mo, and N (all secondaries are unlocked). My first mate has a W/N and a N/Me and the other has a N/Mo and Mo/W. Forget Cantha, our Factions chars are all over the place. Does anybody know any decent 2-3 person farming spots (for gold)? I figure after the amount of help I've given on other's talk pages good karma says someone must know ;) Thanks. --Xasxas256 02:36, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * If you can get there, the most profitable would probably be the Underworld. One highly defensive Invincimonk (bring Spellbreaker), one SS-Necro and another Necro with Feast of Corruption, Desecrate and Defile Enchantments, if availible. The second necro isn't actually needed, but speeds things up even further. The basic concept would be this. --84-175 (talk) 02:47, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I've played plenty of the game and have done a bit of everything but consider myself neither a hardcore PvE or Pvp-er. My only underworld experience was a disaster where instead of getting great drops from the monsters, it was more like us throwing money at them :P If we've got favor of the gods I might give it a go but we're possibly not looking for a challenge quite as intense as the Underworld, it's just a couple of mates coming round, we're just looking to make a bit of money for a few hours. Anyway I hope I don't sound ingrateful, thanks 84-175 and we may end up giving it a go. --Xasxas256 03:45, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I'm a big hater of farming, but if you ever want to try out the UW, I'll happily act as your guide. I know the UW very well. I'm also a great survivor. (Random 55hp monks die so often in the beginning that I need to be able to solo the Aatxes with my SS necro) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 04:25, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I might just take you up on that, sure I may never be as famous as Honorable Sarah and have random ppl recognising me but still it'd be good to meet up with an old hand/fellow GuildWikian, just as long as you don't have to leave halfway through to walk the dog :P --Xasxas256 04:37, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Luckily the dog is not mine, but Kalomelis, and I would never be able to play at her house. :) I will be online most of the week from tomorrow to sunday, so feel free to contact me any time. If you don't see me online, leave a message on the wiki. I probably am just in offline mode. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 09:35, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * You use offline mode because you've got random stalkers who've seen your name on the wiki yeah? See that's what I'm always worried about hence no IGN on my user page. That's right you heard me, my ego is that large that I'm worried about getting the online equivalent of being mobbed! Ok cool, I'll look out for you this week, I know that's a bit like stalking you but I'm not random so I'm going to justify it like that :) --Xasxas256 09:50, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I'm easy with publishing my character names. My ignore list is empty, so anyone who starts bugging me will get ignored. :) I've only made friends through the wiki. I'm in offline mode when I don't want to run/fight for customers, but play the game in peace. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 10:45, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * This is a bit late and you and your buddies are probably inside the belly of some Aatxe somewhere in the UW, but there is a basic build that can be used to farm any where there is no heavy enchantment removal (this includes the Ring of Fire, Abaddon's Mouth, Sorrow's Furnace, Mourning Veil Falls, Silent Surf, ..., etc. I prefer level 24+ to maximize the drops of gold and the quality of loot.
 * The idea is to get a tank, a bonder and an SS necro. The bonder needs to bond and heal the tank, the tank needs to survive (might carry an offensive skill or two) and the SS necro (or ele nuker) kills. The only tough build is that of the monk, the rest is straight forward smart play. Tank needs to aggro right and hold aggro, SS needs to not go in too fast, monk needs to not cast on tank when he's gathering aggro. Let me know if you want the specifics of this. --Karlos 11:05, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

In case the underworld is to hard, you can always try for a round of Charr farming ;-) --Xeeron 11:31, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Dang, Xeerons' right, stupid malfunctioning Xeeron/Xasxas256 multiple personality/hive mind! It's all about quantity not quality :P Karlos, I'm not sure if it's wise minds or crazy minds that think alike but we actually ended up using a tank, bonder and SS necro. Wierd huh? The builds were something like this:
 * W/N Gash, Virulence, Well of Suffering, some adren building skill, Soul Feast, various attacking skills
 * Mo/Me Life Bond, Life Barrier, Balthazar's Spirit, Blessed Signet, Mending, Watchful Spirit (quick heal), Signet of Devotion, Optional
 * N/Mo Heal Other, Spiteful Spirit, Mark of Pain, Balthazar's Spirit, Healing Breeze, other stuff...


 * I was running the bonder, I certainly don't think it's the perfect build, it was the first 3 person team farming build I'd created. Probably a N/Me echo SS and having a tank with more stances would have been better. But really we just normally play stuff that we think will be fun and that's the problem with farming, you're just doing the same thing over and over and you're limited in terms of what build you can run.


 * It kinda went ok but I think farming is inherently boring even with a group of people you know, normally we enjoying questing together but last night wasn't as much fun, I guess I'm with Gem on that one. I guess my two mates are not into the game as much as I am and we were wiping too often/not getting good enough good drops, maybe if we'd had your build Karlos' that we could successfully used straight out the box it would have been better. Anyway thanks for all your input thus far, I obviously still need help, I haven't achieved 3 man farming perfection yet :P --Xasxas256 20:28, 25 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Ok, so the key here is the Necro should not heal. This takes away their ability to echo as well as their energy (both Breeze and Heal Other are 10 energy each). Like I said, the trick is all in the Bonder, here is the build:
 * Attributes: 15 Prot, 11 Healing Prayers, 11 Divine Favor
 * Skills: Life Barrier, Life bond, Life Attunement, Dwayna's Kiss, Orison, Essence Bond, Rebirth, Signet of Devotion
 * If you expect Enchantment removal (one or two at most), then keep Essence Bond the lowest ecnahntment as the tank will be your primary source of energy. Heal with Dwayna's Kiss (~300 health per heal). The Necro should BR you while setting up. This way you can bond and heal the tank at the same time. Orison is for you and the Necro in case of trouble. The key is of course, proper aggro control, body-blocking and so forth. Do not cast on the tank until the enemy has settled on him, or they will run past him and come to you. If your necro is a fast killer, consider replacing Life Barrier with Spell Breaker and have the necro take out enchant removes first. --Karlos 04:36, 26 June 2006 (CDT)