Talk:Game updates/20060615

Huh? What gives, Stabber? --Karlos 20:45, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Another issue with being verbatim with the official website, I presume. - 20:47, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Indeed. And you have broken 1RV. But you are an admin, Karlos, so you knew that. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 20:47, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * You never explained your RV. And your reasoning now makes no sense. I thought we already had that debate in the last update. --Karlos 20:51, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

Henchman drop money upon death!
Wow, that's an odd yet cool bug. I was doing a cap run in Perdition Rock with some henchman just a while ago. Some of those Hydras ambush us and killed all the henchman and every single time they died, they dropped about a sack of 93 gold! If you don't believe me, go try it out!--SavageX 21:08, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I just did in Factions and the two henchmen did not drop anything for me. --Karlos 21:13, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Try doing it in the prophecies campaign too see if that works.--SavageX 21:16, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Me and all my guildmates across both expansions are seeing it. Also seeing the monsters kill each other and drop loot. --Gares Redstorm 21:23, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I did a little more research on this bug and discovered that your henchman only seem to drop money only after you gained some dropped money. I first went after a bunch of hydras and flesh golems without getting any money drops and they didn't drop anything.  After I got a money drop of 107 gold from one of the monsters, I tried again with another group and the henchman started dropping sacks of 26-27 gold each.--SavageX 21:25, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

My personal policy on revert wars

 * 1) Do not re-revert.
 * 2) Do not re-re-revert, even if you explain your rational in the edit summary.
 * 3) Do not re-re-re-revert, even if you just explained your rational on the talk page a minute ago.
 * 4) Do not re-re-re-re-revert to the version that was the first reversion.
 * 5) Do not re-re-re-re-re-revert to the version that you know is right, just because you have stated your position on the matter on the talk page, unless the discussion on the talk page has been concluded one way or the other (consensus, overwhelming support of one side of the issue by the community, the other person drops the issue due to burnout, etc).

Having that said, I'm going to unprotect the article now. It's meaningless for one of the only two participants of a revert war to request bans and protection on the page. It is just as meaningless for the other participant to actually protect the article (at worse it escalates the revert war to the admin level). - 21:11, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * True, however, as an admin, I cannot let a user have his/her way with the system. An unexplained revert of the contribution on another user (who has a solid track-record) is not allowed in my book. and should not be allowed in this wiki altogether. Whenever I see an unexplained RV of someone else's work, I always review it. If I saw the reverted edit was plausible even, I will revert the RV.
 * In Stabber's case it was doubly annoying because she did not explain her RV, yet she had the time to get on my talk page and tell me I was in violation of Rule 6, section 3 paragraph (b). I think that was ridiculous.
 * Reverting an admin to protect an explained RV is even worse in my book. --Karlos 21:20, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Well, after your re-revert, and after stabber's re-re-revert, both of you have started talking on the talk page. Even if Stabber's explaination doesn't make sense or is extremely weak to you, at least you should not have done the re-re-re-revert.  And thus protection would not have been necessary.  What if you are having this disagreement with another admin, who feel strongly about his/her reason to revert as much as your reason for re-revert?  I see protection/ban as only necessary when one side of the revert war cannot be reached for comments/discussion.  If a discussion is taking place, even if the current version makes absolutely no sense to you, I plead to just leave it alone (or add a tag at the top of the page saying the content of the page is being debated etc). - 21:28, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Like I said, the way the reverts were done, necessitated (to me) that it not be left to stand. Protecting the page was necessary, once there is a user on a rampage, page protection comes next. --Karlos 21:34, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * GW:1RV says, if you find your stuff reverted, take it up on the talk page. It specifically says to not re-revert, even in the case where someone else wrongfully re-reverted.  --68.142.14.34 21:36, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * With all due respect, RV1 only takes place (in my mind) IF the reverting contributor bothered to explain his/her revert. An unexplained RV of someone else's work (especially a registered regular user) is -in and of itself- worthy of an automatic RV. We already established that a long time ago. --Karlos 21:40, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Revert4 was explained, and Revert6 inherits the explaination. So just becasuse Revert2 is worthy of an automatic RV and Revert4 is identical to Revert2 doesn't mean you can automatically revert Revert4 and 6. - 21:46, 15 June 2006 (CDT)