User talk:Dr ishmael/Archive 3

Welcome to the wiki
Hey Dr ishmael - welcome to the Guild Wiki - Hope you have a lot of fun editing here! Random Time  15:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the welcome! Although, I have been lurking around for a while now, I just haven't made very many edits yet.  I'm supposed to sign my comments, right?  Like this?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the 'Wiki! Yes, you're supposed to sign like that :> Seems you already got the hang of custom signatures. If you ever have questions, just ask away. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Awesomeness
Did you see that in recent changes? How somehow an edit made it between your two moves in the fraction of a second it would've been? That's amaze-tastic. &mdash; Powersurge360 Violencia  18:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I always hide my edits on RC, so no, I didn't notice that. And actually, that's between two deletes, not moves (I did all the moving last night), so there was much more than a fraction of a second between them.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa for buggin' ya then, lol. Sigh, it was cool in theory at least. &mdash; Powersurge360 Violencia   18:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, I enjoy shooting other people down. It's quite therapeutic. :D  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That made my day. --Shadowcrest  02:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

copyvio?!?
Mousepointer slipped on the dropdown? --◄mendel► 21:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 18:41 (cur; last) . . Dr ishmael (Talk | contribs) (deleted Sanctum Cay (Mission): Copyright violation: content was: '#REDIRECT Sanctum Cay (mission)' (and the only contributor was 'Dr ishmael'))


 * No, I did that on purpose... to... see if anyone was paying attention. Yeah, that's it. >.>  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It pays to pay attention to chicken army owners. --◄mendel► 22:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

bot
Did you bot change all instances of 'Nolani Academy (Location)' to 'Nolani Academy (location)', even if there was something else in the phrase, like Category:? I think you messed up the categories that had (Location) in them. See Tome Pedestal- it is in Category:Nolani Academy (location), though only Category:Nolani Academy (Location) exists. --Shadowcrest 01:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The category will need to be changed at a point in the near future anyways for the same reason, so it's a permissable mistake, eh? &mdash; Powersurge360 Violencia  01:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Though since I don't think the bot is finished, it could save a bit of work in the future. --Shadowcrest  01:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I did realize that, then decided there was no reason to work around it since, like PS said, those categories need to be renamed anyway. I just didn't realize we had any categories like that, otherwise I would've moved them last night.  If you want to go ahead and fix the categories, go ahead - anything ending with (Explorable), (Location), or (Mission).  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 01:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So, does one fix this by copy/pasting the existing junk into the newer cat? I tried to get crackin' and noticed the disturbing absence of a move button. &mdash; Powersurge360 Violencia  01:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Things added to a category will automatically be placed there, so just copypaste the text in the category to the new title, then flag the old one for deletion --Gimmethegepgun 01:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Toasty, thanks, I'll probably get started when American Dad goes off, lol &mdash; Powersurge360 Violencia  01:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you can't move image pages or category pages in MediaWiki, since moving just the article doesn't move the image file or update the pages in the category. Kind of annoying, but understandable.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 01:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Have you thought about grabbing all pages that have (Location) etc. in them from pages_current.xml and fixing them once and for all? --◄mendel► 02:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you'd like to do that (since you seem pretty familiar with the db dumps and I haven't poked around in them yet myself) and post the list here, like you've done for other things, I can take care of them after I finish off the ones I've already moved. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 02:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd have to wait for a new dump to come out after you've finished, otherwise the list will just have a lot of pages that you already worked on. The awk script to do it is this:

/ / { 	match($0,/ (.*)<\/title>/,thisTitle); skipme = 0; printme=0; }

skipme && /preserve">#REDIRECT/ { print thisTitle[1] > "redirect.txt" }

skipme {next;} / / {next;}

/\((Mission|Location|Quest)\)[^\.]/ {  print thisTitle[1]; skipme=1;}
 * The skipme makes every article be listed only once. --◄mendel► 09:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Will the bot fix links like House zu Heltzer (Location) -> House zu Heltzer (location)? I think it will, but I'm having a very stupid day. --Shadowcrest  18:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, it'll get anything - I didn't bother to take the time to write individual find/replace rules for every mission/etc., since, as we've said above, everything that used this naming convention should be lower-cased anyway. I'm planning on cleaning up any splash damage, but you can go ahead and move any pages you see like that - just add them to that bot task so I know about them.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * For that one, should just make all those be just plain House zu Heltzer, since that just redirects unnecessarily --Gimmethegepgun 19:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I had to extend the awk script a bit, I edited that above. It now discounts edit summaries (e.g. from page moves), links to images, and finds redirects (but still lists them). The result is on User:Dr ishmael/Caps. The list contains these redirects: Augury Rock (Location) Chahbek Village (Location) Dwayna Vs Grenth (Mission) House zu Heltzer (Location) Jokanur Diggings (Location) Nundu Bay (Mission) Talk:Dwayna Vs Grenth (Mission) Talk:Haiju Lagoon Rift (Mission) Talk:Jokanur Diggings (Location) Talk:The Great Zehtuka(Quest) The Great Zehtuka(Quest) The Tomb of Primeval Kings (Mission) Tomb of the Primeval Kings (Location) --◄mendel► 12:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd tried running that script, but it was returning waaaay too many results, and I don't know anything about awk scripting so I couldn't fix it myself. And of course, I forgot to say anything here.  Thanks for following up on it, though - I'll probably be able to run the bot throughout the day while at work.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 13:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

We are the language police?
We are not ArenaNet, but we don't allow people to typo now? --◄mendel► 09:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC) (edited 09:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC))
 * 01:32, 14 July 2008 Gimmethegepgun (Talk | contribs) deleted Abbadon's Mouth ‎ (content was: ' #REDIRECT Abaddon's Mouth (mission)')


 * Yeah, and why not? Having typo-redirects available only promotes misspellings within the wiki.  A blue link is assumed to be a "correct" link, so if someone mistypes a mission name and it comes up blue, they don't realize their mistake.  Deleting these redirects will slightly inconvenience people who put a typo in the search box, but at least we can say we're doing them a service by helping them learn to spell it correctly.
 * I can understand keeping typo-redirects in certain cases, like Little Thorn, where the in-game font makes it difficult to tell whether the name ends with "rn" or "m". But "Abbadon" and "Naphui" don't fall under that.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 13:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And seriously, I thought that was his name for a LONG time (as in from a few months after the game came out until I made that redirect) until I tried to go to his page and found out that was an M not RN :P --Gimmethegepgun 19:24, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I still to this day call him Little THORN lol. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   I~sk8   (T/C) 19:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) My wife and I debated it for a while too, finally she relented to my logic that naming a character "Thorn" was just ridiculous, and Anet would never do that. Then she got the last laugh at Halloween when we met Mad King Thorn... >.>  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wut i thot he was Mad King Thom.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  19:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, and surprisingly enough, we never had a redirect.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, when the first new editor creates that page, I'll laugh. Wasn't there a list of misspellings that some admin checks on a regular basis? .... Ah, ok, it is Misspellings, and Maui checked it four weeks ago. If we just put Naphui and Abbadon on there and link it to the "what links here" (although the search would probably be enough)? Then we'd be user friendly and fighting for spelling! --◄mendel► 21:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

From GW:REDIRECT:

When to use redirects

In general, the following situations involve a redirect:


 * Abbreviations: GvG & gvg → Guild versus Guild
 * Synonyms: leaver → quitter
 * Common misnomers: Silver Armor → Sliver Armor
 * Colloquialisms: Amnoon Oasis → The Amnoon Oasis
 * Incorrect capitalizations: the fissure of woe → The Fissure of Woe
 * Plurals for stackable items: obsidian shards → Obsidian Shard

...

When not to use redirects

The following sorts of redirects will be speedily deleted (these links are red because the redirects don't exist!):

Unverifiable colloquialisms: Prince of Noobs → Prince Rurik Redirects to user namespace: There should be no redirects from any other namespace over to the user name space. Redirects for capitalization when the article name is only two words or has all words in the same case: Charr carving → Charr Carving; Destructive was glaive → Destructive Was Glaive.

I see no reason to remove those redirects. (T/C) 22:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, they're gone, and noone but me has complained. The point about redirects into userspace is a bit daft where it concerns pages that have been moved from mainspace to userspace - people looking for them will wonder where they went when the redirect is deleted. Can we use a soft redirect? --◄mendel► 22:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

THKP
??? Hmm, it's already the 16th in Europe, so you could just have deleted the thing and be done with it. It's not as if there wasn't a redirect in place for the talk. --◄mendel► 22:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Nundu Bay (Mission) etc.
People have been recreating some of these pages as redirects. I think you were the one who went and removed them all. What are you going to do about it? (T/C) 03:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * On GuildWiki_talk:Community_Portal, Dr Ishmael writes: that one was recreated because the wiki hasn't been re-crawled by Google yet. We shouldn't see any more of these being recreated after a day or two, at which point that one should be redeleted. --◄mendel► 03:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That was the editor's note, yes, that he created it because "this is the page you get from a Google search for Gate of Madness". It shouldn't take more than a couple days for Google's spider-bots to crawl the wiki again and update Google's link cache.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 03:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I doubt it'll work, though, as long as the redirect stays up, because the googlebot will still find the content where it was, and tha pagerank of the old URL will be higher - unless it knows about wikis and redirects and crawls them with redirect=no. Plus there's no telling how many forum links etc. we have broken. Lesson: Move redirects are there for a reason... --◄mendel► 09:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * But the spider won't even see the redirect page, since nothing else on the wiki links to it. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 13:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)