User talk:Entropy/Archive 25

FIRST!
FIRST POST MUHAHAH -- Warwick (Talk ) (Contr. ) 21:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Go play GW -.- Lord of all tyria 21:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * cant.. it wont work =s --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] Warwick (Talk ) (Contr. ) 21:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Waffle
To-Do List update: Everything in "Delete" has been taken care of as much as possible, except for Unused Images, a huge load of stuff that will take days for me alone (help Marco!). "Edit" I haven't even touched since that is labor-intensive. "Patrol" is fine as of now. (T/C) 21:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been going through and deleting the images that got thrown into disuse after the unique template revolution. I've only gotten through, like 30 or so. (Help Entropy!)--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is too big even if we both worked together...I mean it would still take days, or at least a few hours of non-stop deleting. I wish that we had a bot for it, or perhaps a "Batch Delete" option. I think I'll go bug PanSola about that. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ...Nevermind, not what I thought it was. Looks like it really will be all manual after all! >.> /resign [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You just needs a bot that will delete everything with a certain category tag on it. Lord Belar 02:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's actually not as simple as that...I still have to check some of the images to make sure they really are delete-worthy, and that nothing links to them period. MediaWiki is pretty good at auto-classing things, but it does make mistakes now and then. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it would help if I become an admin? :) --Gimmethegepgun 02:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it would. You can still help out with the other stuff if you're bored :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I still have to finish up that project of mine (lawl, NF skills don't got no love from me!) but right now I'm about to try out Rappelz (thanks to being able to see ads on my relative's comp in Connecticut I saw it) and probably will be on this for a couple of days :/ --Gimmethegepgun 02:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I GIVE UP - thousands of images to tag with the, copyvios that need to be sorted out, images which are debatably useful or un-useful...and that's just starting with "Imaged Without Cats". Such a mess...I gotta put this off for another day. Huoh. >.> (T/C) 03:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You need a bot.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 03:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't most be tagged under ? Indeed, you need a bot <_<. Maybe poke Pan some more? Jennalee 04:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, almost all the uncategorized ones would want that tag. There's only a small minority which would use a different tag, "User-created image", mostly for things like RL screenshots and custom skill icons or signatures. But the bulk of stuff in there is armor, maps, and NPC/character images. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh ... the joys of admin retirement! ;-) Sorry, I couldn't resist that. From what I can see of contributions by the remaining admins, this wiki still desperately needs some additional ones, preferably one or two who own a bot.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and I wish someone else would do/help me with updating the collector weapons quick reference ;_; Jennalee 06:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, you don't have to rub it in, Barek :p We need someone like Fyren who actually has the skillz to build a bot from the ground up...if that's not available, Gimmethegepgun is nearly as good as a bot :) TBH I would have a lot more work done if it wasn't, you know, rush time for college applications and stuff...ReaLife(TM) ftw. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Almost :P A bit slower, but on a whim I decided to overhaul the related articles of skill pages and spent the next couple of days making them consistent and all that. Never did the NF ones though, have to get around to that --Gimmethegepgun 08:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

New proposal
Hey, check out my proposal rough draft and tell me what else I should add or take away from it.-- (Talk) (Contr.) 19:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

ii HATE YOUOUUUUUU
--User:Jagre 10:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * GW:NPA, mate. And even if you do, there's no reason you can't keep it to yourself--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 11:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Umm err why?[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 12:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well we still like her, so who cares Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 13:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe he's feeling a little unloved, I wonder why *cough* Jennalee 13:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 13:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lolwut? Lord Belar 23:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats what I said =P --Shadowcrest  23:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You're probably mad because I deleted the Meleemancer or something, I'm guessing...we've had issues in the past...if it's something else, then I am positively perplexed, since to my best knowledge you haven't been on this wiki for...months. What could I possibly have done to upset you? (T/C) 01:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The "jaguar sword anti-melee?" Lord Belar 01:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But that was back from the Builds section. Ancient history. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

*poke*
We meet again. I very much likes the pictures you snatched of your mesmer and parallelagon. I have a 19% or 20% Demon-slaying blowgrip; I'll check what it is later. If you're looking for materials, I have stacks of a number of materials...cloth, iron, tanned hides, chitin, silk, leather, and parchment come to mind. I'm on the market for feathers and granite, and I wouldn't mind some dust and bones: Essences of Celery and Armors of Slavation are win-win. --Carmine 20:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol, parallelagon, essence of celery. Those were intentional, right? Lord Belar 23:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Come on! Armor of Salivation! Get it right! *drool* [[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png]]  Entrea Sumatae 23:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol. Demonslaying for Bows is a new one, I think, so I'll add it...I've got the materials covered, and you say you're buying? That's great, I have stacks and stacks and stacks of bones that I don't know what to do with... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, no, read again. It's not a bow grip, it's a blowgrip. Hope you've got a modifable blow to ad yur mud too! (trying to hard, or just right?) --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  01:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Blowguns ftw. Lord Belar 01:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Blowguns used by AssAssSins. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nono, AssAssSins use diggers. I checked: it's an 18% demonslaying blowgrip.  :/  Good enough for most purposes.--Carmine 03:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

ENTROPY!!1!1
I can not for the life of me figure out how to upload the Blizzard file since I redid it.. every time I try it re-uploads the red one (I made it blue). How do I make it upload blue? --Shadowcrest 01:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hit [Ctrl] + [F5] to refresh the server cache. It's blue for me. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow.. I have officially phailed today :P
 * Thanks entropy. --Shadowcrest 01:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read your posts for months and just recently realized you were female! - Anon
 * Hehe :P It is on my Userpage, Rate-a-user, and also mentioned a lot. Still, I guess if you kept to the actual Wiki rather than talk and user pages, you wouldn't know. :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

mp47
Read this and the offending talk page. You might want to talk to him about not acting his age, or he'll go the way of Skuld - just without having improved anything in the meantime. - Auron 01:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As I explained on my talk page, on both wikis, I've already apologized. I was having a bad day in RL, and I was getting upset. So sue me for having emotions.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikis aren't the place to vent. Go punch a pillow or something. - Auron 01:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope you're giving the same message to every other person over there that at one point didn't treat someone with respect too, auron.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What message I give to people isn't any of your concern. I frankly don't care about people unless they start failing; your outburst is unacceptable, because you're representing GuildWiki. If Eloc or some random user gave an outburst, I wouldn't care, because nobody cares about him (and nobody will connect his actions to GuildWiki). - Auron 01:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What? Do you want me to apologize, again?--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Auron, MP47 isn't my charge any more than Skuld is...was...ours. I'll check out the situation and make an assessment, but it seems you and other admins have already made a response, so I'm not sure what you wanted me to do...Also, Marco...don't take this the wrong way, but we're not talking about other people here. We're discussing your actions. Accusations of hypocrisy and double-standards have their place, but not in a personal issue like this. Also, cool it, Auron's not trying to bait you. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've flagged my page for a "speedy" deletion, because I wanted to start over w/ the ppl there.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know he isn't your charge. But your chances of contacting him and having an influence are greater than mine. - Auron 01:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

(RI) Oh, Marco, Marco.../sigh, wikidrama ftl. Here's what I think.


 * You were already in a bad mood of RL when posting - not something to punish in itself, but also never a smart idea.
 * I think that it was simply extraordinarily bad timing that you got triple vandalized while your dispute was going on. Certainly this did not help your mood at all, and I am taking that into consideration when judging your actions.
 * Brains and other GWW users treated your acerbic manner with respetable, dignified responses, and it is clear that even though their patience was beginning to wear, they did their best to maintain an air of civility and reasonableness. It may have come off as pretentious, but they were only trying to help and doing their civic duty to the Wiki. I'm sure that they were somewhat hurt when you responded in such a harsh, sarcastic manner. While it is nearly impossible to empathize with someone over the Internets, that is no excuse for not treating others the way you'd like to be treated. (Although, Biro, that was probably not the most tactful time/way to ask...)
 * Technically, nothing you said was a bannable offense, at least from what little I know of GWW policy. However, it was toeing the line for NPA and just general asshattery. Like Skuld says, you're in someone else's home - you follow their rules, as much as you may dislike them.
 * Go reread the whole Wikia Move literature again...Phil definitely pulled some philandering (ha ha, soz pun) in his handling of the situation, but it is very, very difficult for any of us to prove that he or Wikia did anything illegal. Auron is also 100% correct about the license differences. Trust me, Marco, I was there when it happened: many, many users, even those that did not explicitly support GWW/ANet, put up the GDFL template because they wished for the Wiki's contributions to be available through GWW, to help others and spread the knowledge. It wasn't an issue of my contributions being "stolen" - it was voluntary consent for the benefit of both Wikis. In fact, even among people like you and me who don't favor GWW much, it is still quite rare to have avoided GDFL. Even people like Skuld and Auron, who don't love ANet by any means, were among the first to put up a GDFL. So trust me when I say you've got the whole notion wrong. As much as there may be emnity (real or imagined) between the two Wikis, it's important to not get carried away by popular accusations without doing your homework first.
 * Finally - this is to Auron...I know that you're a characteristic "hard-ass" (I say that affectionately) and generally blunt/realistic in your posts, but if the goal of your posts was to inspire Marco to better behavior, I'm not quite sure that was the way to go about it. I am in agreement with you that what Marco did wasn't acceptable, but it really is just one blip in his record for as long as I've known him. He really doesn't blow his top unless seriously provoked. I think it would be best to err on the side of leniency, this time around, and let Marco consider this a warning for the future. Your attitude is great when dealing with vandals and general dicks, Auron, but I think Marco had already learned his lesson by the time you posted here. I'm not assigning a burden of blame, but both of you are somewhat guilty of being unnecessarily defensive in your posts, when the other person wasn't trying to attack you at all. It just made for more of a mess. On the other hand, you're quick to defuse a situation Auron, so I guess this is just a small reminder, whereas for Marco it's a mistake to learn from.

That's my opinion of the issue. (T/C) 02:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Dramatic Auron is FTL[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 02:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. I piss pretty much everyone off and I get a smack on the hand while other people do less and they get essays why they shouldn't? --Blue.rellik 02:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * well, we're sort of used to it from you blue. I don't usually freak out much--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If I'm not getting my daily quota of little kids telling me about the NPA rule then I'm not doing my job properly --Blue.rellik 02:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And none of you know me well enough to know the truelly dispicable mind that drives the force of deception real me >_>--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">igathrash Talk^Cont 02:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Like a Touch Ranger in Random Arenas. (new phrase created to signify that it's expected to hear complaints about one's behavior or existence.) --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyway, Blue, no one's bothered to report you, not to me at least, and not recently, so...yeah. It's faulty logic but I assume that if no one posts any complaints to your actions then you are being OK. I don't follow your posts with Watchlist, either, unlike Marco, since he's an admin (all admins are on my Watchlist). Of course, if you like scrutiny then that could always be arranged. :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for a well-thought out assessment of the situation, Entropy. <span style="font-family: Georgia, serif"> &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 08:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Anytime, Biro, though I guess you'd have to thank Auron also for putting me up to it...:P [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Formatting

 * What a strange Edit Conflict. I saw your message, JD, but it still had four tildes at the end instead of a sig...
 * Apparently, if you start off with, it's just that I didn't think it would do that in the middle of an EC. It looked like I had written that, olo. Learn something new everyday. ~

&mdash;The preceding mostly signed comment was added by Entropy (contribs).
 * It also helps to use the tag to close where you've posted an opening tag. ;-) --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 03:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was going to comment on how funny it was that to show  you would need to write     but then I thought of what I would need to write to do that and got stuck in a giggle-loop. Yes yes, you don't actually need to write all that. -Ezekiel 03:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, no worries, I saw who did what and where. And I saw the ~ in there as well, without any edit conflicts... it was there as I was removing the extra ! from those hide tags. I'll bet if you checked the date on my signature, it's lined up to my fix edit, and not my post edit. :P
 * ...And I want to blank a page so badly now! If I understand the coding correctly, I can just add or something similar is on most of the pages for monsters and other important pages. You could still do the ninja blank on shorter pages or perhaps skill pages. Hmm, or perhaps use a template... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Your rate-a-user section
Do you mind if I nick your rate-a-user section to put on my talk page? <B>RT </B>| Talk 07:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not mine, actually. Blastedt came up with the idea a long, long time ago. There aren't too many active users left that have it anymore; others have a "Guestbook" instead. Go ahead and use it - it's meant for everyone! Just add

Subst:User:Blastedt/Templates/Rate-a-user

somewhere on a page, and the template will be put in for you. That's how we did it in the old days for Rate-a-build...ah, memories. (T/C) 07:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently my sig did something bad to your Rate-a-User it had to do with . -- [[Image:Hellbringer siggy.jpg]] ¿ĤëĻĺßŔîÑģЄŗ? [[Image:Hellbringer siggy.jpg]] (talk|contribs) 21:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * To many Small tags, not enough /Small tags, IMO. You need to either add an extra one at the end, or start adding the small tags within the piped links; for example, change
 *  (talk|contribs) 
 * into
 *  ( talk | contribs ) 
 * instead. That way, you don't need to worry about all those issues you get with tags on the outside of the links... --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  22:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * K well now I got a new sig so now it wont mess it up. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="green">Hellbringer (T|C) 22:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hell, it wasn't your sig that was messing your page up, it was an unclosed <!--hidden message --[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well it did screw up the small tag on here :D. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="green">Hellbringer (T|C) 22:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hehe, how ironic. That little <!-- tag really gets around, apparently. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  22:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking maybe someone should archive this for her but I don't want to ruin it :D --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="green">Hellbringer (T|C) 22:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, it was the "|" as it was still breaking. Fixed and left a message on your Talk also. I don't need to archive it until it's so long it makes 30kb by itself :P [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Going for 100kb again? Lord Belar 22:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, only at 41kb [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

ANet's Creed
NOTE: No warranties, either express or implied, are hereby given. All code is supplied as is, without guarantee. The user assumes all responsibility for damages resulting from the use of these features, including, but not limited to, frustration, disgust, system abends, disk head-crashes, general malfeasance, floods, fires, shark attack, nerve gas, locust infestation, cyclones, hurricanes, tsunamis, local electromagnetic disruptions, hydraulic brake system failure, invasion, hashing collisions, normal wear and tear of friction surfaces, cosmic radiation, inadvertent destruction of sensitive electronic components, windstorms, the Riders of Nazgul, infuriated chickens, malfunctioning mechanical or electrical sexual devices, premature activation of the distant early warning system, peasant uprisings, halitosis, artillery bombardment, explosions, cave-ins, frogs falling from the sky, and/or Err7s.

(T/C) 03:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I loll'd^^--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 03:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As you may guess, I am now less than satisfied with the NCSoft FAQs and the "Support Ticket" system. X( "Thank you for your question. It will be relayed to the Dev team..." Ohai, that's Generic Automated Reply #312, thxbye. I know I shouldn't expect more, since it is ANet after all (Understaffed and Overworked - The New Profit Scheme!), but their "answers" aren't even helpful. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You think that's bad? Read what happened to these guys--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 04:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ...Wow. All I can say is, wow. Gaile has a point that repetetive postings don't speed things up, but seeing that from the player's point of view...her post just sort of slaps you in the face. I really sympathize with those people, and I'd be similarly incensed if it happened to me. I think it's silly that the basic question was not answered, namely, why the Support team can't be made better. People have said countless times, that when you consider how we don't pay a monthly fee, the service we get is pretty shitty...In effect, we pay as much as WoW users do, but not through "real" money. Sad stuff. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ...on the other hand, NCSoft Support does a better job of tech support then most computer companies. I've had a few problems with my computer itself while playing Guild Wars (crashes, video card glitches, etc.), and I've been shunted off to an actual person (or five), and they normally figure out the problem and tell you how to fix it within a few emails. Rather ironic perhaps, but still, Support's got at least a few things going for it. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  05:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * "but seeing that from the player's point of view...her post just sort of slaps you in the face." What am I missing here? She told us the exct reason, which was a bug in the software that tracks gold buyers. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 08:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think Anet is entirely responsible for support, it looks like it's run by ncsoft. Lord Belar 21:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They do seem to give automate answers a lot. Example: I've been lagging a lot, something that I asked gw support about: answer 1 was (when i sent a -diag report):


 * Upgrade Graphics card drivers (they were up to date, but I reinstalled)
 * Increce Paging File (Which I did)

I relpyed saying it didn't help Responce: Please send in a -diag My reply: I have already! There responce: My Reply: I already have.
 * Update Graphics card drivers

But they've given me some new info that i'll use next time I play! :( to support, but I'm not that angry! <B>RT </B>| Talk 21:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's the kind of crap they just gave me yesterday...I mean, that is what I expect from someone like Microsoft or Comcast. Shitty automated service. I can put up with that, since I know they could care less about one single customer. The only way to work in those kinds of systems is to be aggressive and really push for the help you need. JD: Definitely, but they still slip up sometimes. Probably the best thing is that it's electronic; no waiting on Hold. X( Still, you have to compare sizes. NCSoft is a company that deals with games and related paraphenalia, so that's a single concentration/specialization. Naturally they should be more streamlined than huge, multimillion international corporations like Microsoft. Meh. Belar: ANet could still do something about it if they so wished.
 * Ohai Gem, it's good to see you again :) My reasoning isn't that Gaile left a vague answer or that she didn't do her job of being the middleperson between ANet and the players. But, it was just the way she said it. The lack of empathy is understandable, but she didn't apologize or say "We are sorry for the mistake", beyond "this will be investigated very seriously". Lolz, that sounds familiar...I mean, perhaps LaZy did exaggerate a little bit, but it wasn't just them...there were others too, posting about how they now felt they played in an atmosphere of fear and oppression. I mean, that's...bad. Horrible. There are implications beyond just the simple accidental bannings, which were fixed (if I read that right). When ANet (or I guess I should say NCSoft) does things which start to negatively affect the basic ommunity psychology, that has far-reaching effects on the whole game world. Despite the anonymity of online gaming...it's just you and a screen...there has to be a certain level of established trust between the community and those who run the game. Gaile didn't help much with that. I know that they take a lot of crap, she especially. But the reply, I felt, was less than adequate. I'd expect that from a normal GWW admin, or a tech support/dev, but from someone who holds the post of "Community Relations Manager" I have higher standards.
 * To say it simply, replies like that make me question how much Gaile, ANet, and NCSoft give a damn about us. Anyone can give exact, technical replies to user questions. To do it nicely, apologetically, and without presumptiousness ("Hai plz don't tell ur guild memberz to post also, u r spammer") is another matter. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What she said (I might say more but I'd get shot at).[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 00:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support definitely sucks, the one time I tried to contact them, after a week I got an automated message saying "your report will be looked at." However, I can sympathize with Gaile as, while in this case this wasn't really an issue, most of the comments on her talk and suggestion pages generally consists of about a page of whining, crying, swearing and verbal abuse of anyone who might be associated with anet, with the occasional comment, complaint or suggestion buried under all that. Lord Belar 01:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey
Would you mind giving me Gares Email or MSN? I would like to speak with him. Thanks! --<font color="Black">Readem 01:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. I found it =). --<font color="Black">Readem 01:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Why would I know Gares' mail or MSN anyways? (T/C) 02:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Dunno. Probably because your address is next to gares on the list ;p. --<font color="Black">Readem 02:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

BMP content info
I'm heavy working on documenting stuff from the recently released Bonus Mission Pack, but in GWW. I'm posting here, asking for someone to go to "My Contributions" in the Handy Links section of my userpage there, so you can start stealing for this wiki (I really don't wanna do the duplicated work). Help the mole stay a mole.<strong style="color: black;">reanor 03:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * MOLE!!! --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  15:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Says who![[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 02:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This guy . --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Change
Do you have any clue why the font size and type changed everywhere in the wiki all of a sudden? --Gimmethegepgun 21:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you hold ctrl and scrolled? That works like a zoomfunction ^^' On my browser, nothings diffrent --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (s)talkpage 21:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Right after I said that I checked text size and changed it to normal and everything was ok. Might have been that scroll thing, I just tried it. Would've said nvm earlier except my internet was being stupid --Gimmethegepgun 21:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I do that all the time. Took me almost 6 months to figure it out, lol. Lord Belar 02:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoa, I never knew about that. Pretty cool stuff. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Bows, Bramble Bows, Droknar's Bow, etc...
These bows with two skins, should I merge these and leave a note saying which uses what skin? Jennalee 05:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I wouldn't do that. If you have just one set of items that all use the same skin (ie. Droknar's X Staff) then it is okay to merge them all into one and make redirects. But for this case, there is no single standard name that could be used to adequately cover all the bows which use the skin. It wouldn't make much sense to have one article for them. All of Droknar's X Bow can be merged, perhaps Ancient X Bow also, but Bramble Bow should be left alone. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I thought about it and I'd say you could merge all the ones which come from one source but use two skins (aka, Tormented, Droknar's, the BMP items) but not the ones which are "common" - aka come from drops in various places. Anyhow, this seems to have already been done so there'd be less replication of pictures :p Jennalee 06:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Armor in item images
Since you guys all seem to visit this page, I'd like to say please don't tag the new images for deletion just because the user is wearing armor. As long as the armor is inobtrusive and doesn't distract from the item in question (I mean, no Chaos Gloves but something such as Shing Jea Ranger female should be OK), I don't see a problem with it. I mean, wouldn't you think female characters in underwear is more distracting than plain, undetailed, light colored armor which provides a suitable background for an item? Jennalee 09:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless of course its a female monk that is naked. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="green">Hellbringer (T/C) 14:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Bandage underwear? D: I decided to wear the ascalon set dyed to a plain brown color usually unless it clashes. Less incidents of "upskirting" and what not <_<. I'd like to get it to a lightler color but that doesn't seem possible with the set when bought from Tyria. Not sure about the Canthan set though because they seem to dye to a lighter color than the equivalent Tyrian set. Jennalee 17:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I admit I was a bit overzealous with some of them. However, with the new items out, there were loads of them that DID need repairs - bad contrast, non-uniform backgrounds, images not focused on the item, images blatantly showing off armor... --Gimmethegepgun 17:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The worst picture (no offence) had to be one of the Mursaat Maul, in which the male Warrior decided to have his Elite Luxon armour on. There were spikes everywhere!Khazad Guard 17:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I hope I didn't break too many monster pictures by changing the template so you could have two pictures of Turai Ossa <_< - that being said they should have standardized names also Jennalee 01:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe you could have two pictures side by side, without changing the template, like for Sarah.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, didn't know :P - rev the changes I guess >.> Jennalee 02:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, rev back to the lines I copied from the item templates - Sarah's dual images breaks the template. I'm about to head out tho so if you're not done with that, I'll finish it when I get home <_< Jennalee 02:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with Jennalee - the point of images for weapons and foci and shields etc. is to show that object - not the character holding the object. As such, the more closely it is cropped, the better, and part of that means using a nonobtrusive armor which doesn't blend or clash. We shouldn't get too picky about uniform this and contrast that - if you can see the item clearly, that's fine. If another pic could be used which displays the item even better, then replace them. However, just remember that there are no clear standards, except of course for pixellation = bad. :) (T/C) 03:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Standards:


 * 1) Make the topic of the picture visible
 * 2) Actually KNOW what the topic of the picture is (some people seem to think that the topic of the weapon picture is their armor)
 * 3) Don't distract people away from the topic with other things in the picture
 * 4) High quality (non-pixelated) pictures
 * --Gimmethegepgun 03:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Can we make an image standards template like the welcome template on the official wiki? I'm annoyed at having to write more than I need to to remind certain contributors of what they *should* be including in a picture. Jennalee 06:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)