User:Mendel/Talk Archive 6

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RfA
The RfA was placed by Shadowphoenix on 18:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC). --◄mendel► 05:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Why aren't you ever on IRC anymore? I wanna talk to you. 16:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I resolve to be more present on irc whenever I edit the wiki, but that usage pattern has changed somewhat. --◄mendel► 06:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops by the way. I spent the last two days with my girlfriend, who was home from college for the long weekend (Labor Day in the US), and I guess I left IRC on the whole time. Well, she's gone again now, so next time you're on I'll actually respond. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The other option is always to "E-mail this user", of course. --◄mendel► 04:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That is inconvenient, plus I'm going to bed now. I have voice lessons in the morning. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm using Restore Life on RFA!
Still interested? Or can I close this now? (T/C) 20:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, there've been new reasons, because it helps with big editing projects to not run into the move throttle, and being able to "clean up" after myself would be nice as well. I'm going to post to the ban discussion today so that we can hopefull ylay this issue to rest sometime soon. --◄mendel► 06:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Another good reason is deleted articles: When I delete a normally named article (a name (car, person etc), Acorns or something like that) Mendel wants to know what was on the page. When he's an admin, he doesn't have to bug me with it anymore :D It's a win-win situation. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Promoting just for convenience is pretty iffy, though...and bans still bother me. We'll see. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I wasn't serious on that :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  15:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Archiv'd
Bitch.--ìğá†ħŕášħ 06:22, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Nah, "archive'd" means I made a verb out of the noun "archive", not using the proper verb like you done there. --◄mendel► 06:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You didn't get the joke. Phail, Mendel.  Phail.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]ìğá†ħŕášħ  06:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't - I'm checking my spam folder, maybe it got lost in the mail. --◄mendel► 06:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hit that donut.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]ìğá†ħŕášħ 07:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a problem with me?
Right, it is time I tackle this, do you have some specific problem with me? Because you are near single-handedly driving me away from contribiting any further to this wiki. Seems every time I make a contibution, you have to go change it. Like today, I take the time to add all 3 of the "deactivating" quests (N.O.X., P.O.X., and R.O.X.) and sure enough you have to go change the formatting (which btw is way ugly and looks too much like GWWiki's format to my eyes), and yet, curiously you've not make those same formatting changes to Zinn's Task (which I had not yet gotten to adding to). And this is by far not the first time, where I get the sense you're singling out my edits. I have been on this wiki for near 3 years, where a few gaps at the start as was busy with other things (check my contribs list and you'll see just how much of what I've done), have made significant additions to A LOT of articles, quests particularily (I wonder if you are seriously planning on going back and re-editting all 564 of the quest articles I've already cleaned up?) and categories to a lesser degree. This is really getting annoying; I've worked so long and hard to get the quest articles consistent, it's bad enough that most of the effort is almost never recognised, but now having someone who's only recently joined the wiki seemingly targetting my contribs, is it really worth my time trying to help out here any more? Anyway, said my piece, I hope you are prepared to clear the air, twice already this year I have gotten to the point of having walked from the wiki, and then when I return and start cleaning up, sure enough, there you are. All I ask is for a little consistency and leave me to get on and complete the 300 or so quests left to clean up (see my projects page for current status). --Wolfie (talk|contribs) 10:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not singling you out, and I am sorry you got that impression. The reason I've not changed Zinn's Task is that it has no dialogue to speak of, so when I edited that, it didn't occur to me to change the formatting. You do remember there was a discussion about using the new CSS for dialogues?
 * I have proposed the change to the subheadings on GuildWiki talk:Style and formatting/Quests two months ago, linked it on Quizzical's talk, and received no comments either way, so I assumed that was consensus; I am sorry if it wasn't. I should have thought to post to your talk page as well, I think I just assumed you'd be watching Quizzical's talk. Hmm, on further research, it appears that you "walked" from the wiki two days before that, so you couldn't have caught that. I'm sorry.
 * I'm ready to work with you to change the quest format to something that doesn't look "too much like GWWiki", and I also offer to change the 500+ quests that have been cleaned up to whatever new format we may arrive at; because you have cleaned them up to conform to a common format, I can automate that now, so it's doable. I haven't done that yet because I hadn't perceived it as a high-priority task.
 * I realize what you and Quizzical have done for the quests and missions on this wiki, and I have only the highest respect for you. --◄mendel► 11:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Reactor Blast Timer
Hi, is there a problem with this page or just my browser? POX is red linked in the article (This opens the POX article in Edit mode BTW), but blue linked in the Template (Opening the normal POX Page)? Any Ideas? Thanks Himm Taeguk  (T/C) 13:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just purged the page, the links are blue now. No clue why it had to be purged, though, that's usually not an issue.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 13:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I was going to do. Ah well, that explains why the links showed blue in edit preview. ;-) --◄mendel► 13:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Guys, I've found out how to purge now, so I'll know for next time. Himm Taeguk  (T/C) 14:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend adding the purge tab function to your Special:Mypage/monobook.js (assuming you're still using Monobook, of course; not sure how/if this works in Monaco), that way it's readily available whenever you need it. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Redirects
Responding to your Central post about the redirects... The new redirects extension hasn't been turned on as default, so the problem you're seeing with Travel quest isn't related.

I just created a redirect for Pain Eater, and it's behaving normally... So I'm not sure what's causing that problem with the Travel quest redirect. The new redirects extension will probably fix that, actually. -- Danny (talk ) 23:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Could it have something to do with redirecting to an article section? That's the only difference I see between the two - Travel quest redirects to Port, while Pain Eater redirects simply to The Pain Eater.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just realized what's going on.


 * What you're seeing is actually the existing redirect system working the way that it's supposed to. Travel quest redirects to Port, but in the existing system, it shows up as guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Travel_quest. Then the #Interconnecting_Quests gets added, so you see Travel_quest#Interconnecting_Quests. I'm not sure why that messes up the favicon, but it does.


 * The new redirects extension will actually fix that -- that shows the landing page's URL instead of the redirect URL. So once that's turned on, you'll see Port#Interconnecting_Quests. The MediaWiki 1.13 upgrade is happening early this week, and then we'll turn on the redirects extension -- so you should see it on the site late this week. Let me know if you see any problems once it's turned on. Thanks! -- Danny (talk ) 23:42, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, great. (I'd rather not have any Javascript messing with URLs, but if that's what it takes...) --◄mendel► 00:22, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

progress bar
What's that for? 17,013 is the number of pages on the wiki, according to Special:Statistics, but I can't figure out what you're tracking about them. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 15:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The other number is the size of my watchlist. I guess once I'm at 100%, I've won at Wiki. --◄mendel► 21:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * My guess is that it's your watchlist count. --JonTheMon 21:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Maybe I should start keeping a progression bar of how many pages/images I've deleted versus how many are left on the wiki.  I guess once that's at 100%, I can say I've deleted the wiki. :O  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:39, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if you do that, and if you delete your talkpage last, I'll have won before you! :-D --◄mendel► 22:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There's an easy way to add every page to your watchlist. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There are rules. I know how to edit the raw watchlist, and I know how to get a list of all pages, so if I wanted to cheat, I could. --◄mendel► 00:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Edit Special:Watchlist to #redirect Special:Recentchanges. ;-) --◄mendel► 07:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:User skill icons
Before you go and make a hundred edits to add stuff to Category:User skill icons, let me say this. Wouldn't it be easier, and more useful, to create a user skill category? That would allow easier browsing. This of course all depends on if it is actually considered useful. And if the humor category doesn't already count. --Macros 09:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You suggest Category:User skills. That would contain pages. Category:User skill icons contains images.
 * We need image categories because we have thousands of images, many of which are unattributed. If we want to do any kind of housekeeping on them (like checking licenses), these need to be in some sort of order. That's why I am making categories for those images whose type I can determine easily, and that are actually needed on the wiki. For example, I'm going to create a category for beast portraits (in the Beastiary info boxes) and you could call up the category and look for images that are too dark or badly sized and go out and get better ones.
 * The licensing templates do automatically add categories, but they're fairly useless. A big proportion of our images is simply in Category:Guild wars screen capture license (in July, 16673 of 18550) - that doesn't help with housekeeping.
 * See Category:Images for the categories that we've started. The way it works is that I indentify a type of image and strive to get the category complete before I start another one. I've also talked to some frequent image uploaders (you know who you are), and they've started adding categories (e.g. to the armor galleries images) as they upload new pictures. --◄mendel► 09:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope this doesn't imply that we will be having a copyright/attribution witch-hunt soon. I like joke skills. :\ [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, a witch-hunt! What a good idea! see here --◄mendel► 21:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Noo, not again! :((( [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I think Europe got rid of those by exporting them to the USA - not just Salem, but the McCarthy committe and now the DHS - what one hears, the quality of airport security methods is reminiscent of witchcraft detection. Just think of a "no-fly" list in a Salem context... --◄mendel► 21:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)