Category talk:Christmas Update

standardize special updates
For halloween, the category was Category:Halloween 2005. Right now for Xmas, we have Category:Christmas Update. I don't care which one, but we should pick one format and rename the other for consistency. -PanSola 23:17, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed, but we need to agree on the standard quick, because we have multiple ones happening. I con't like mine. But I am not sure why we'd call the first "Halloween 2005" and the other "Wintersday 2005." In the first we used the real world name and in the second we used the in-game name. We need to fix that quick. --Karlos 23:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Then I vote realworld everything. It's not like the seasons tributed to Grenth and Dwayna are at the beginning and end of a Tyrian year anyways.  So Category:Christmas 2005 -PanSola 23:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, there wasn't an in game name for the Halloween event. I might suggest "Holidays 2005."  --Fyren 23:42, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I vote "New Years 2006" and then "Christmas 2005." --Karlos 23:48, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I think Wintersday 2005 should be used as it's more accurate. Mainly because it's used in game and naming it Christmas 2005 or new years 2005 won't really be correct. Since this update effects both holidays. Holidays 2005 is a good idea but may confuse some people with NPCs and such. So it's probably best to keep them seperate.--The King Tarosian 23:54, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I originally wanted to avoid alienating the Jewish population before proposing "Christmas Update", but if you look at the update for what it is, all the real world references are with respect to Christmas. While "Wintersday" is an in-game name, it doesn't fit in the Mouvelian Calendar at all (unless the ordering the seasons is revised).  This is my reasoning for supporting Christmas 2005.  If you guys think New Year is also referenced heavily (which I don't think so), then my second choise would be Wintersday 2005 to cover both the christmas and the new year. -PanSola 00:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Ahem, why would Jews be offended if the game update is called the "Christmas Update?" I am a Muslim, and I don't celebrate Christmas other than to take the day off :). Still, I see the game update as bringing the classical Western man's version of Christmas into Guild Wars. Whether I like it or not, that is what the update does. We have Christians in Egypt and they sure as heck don't make candy canes or gingerbread or wear silly red hats. I would think they have the most right to be offended at this westernization and commercialization of Christmas. The update, to me, is a Guild Wars adaptation of an American Christmas. can't really put any spin on that.
 * Well, my understanding is that Jews (at least the more traditional ones) celebrate their own holliday on Dec 25, and it's not called Christmas. So in general by only mentioning Christmas on Dec 25 and not the Jewish holiday (whose name I don't remember), it's alienation and might be offensive to some.  Again this particular update looks to me like Christmas specific with no noticed reference to the Jewish holiday on the same date, so it's not directly relavent to the discussion at hand, but just background info to your question. -PanSola 00:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, the Christians in Egypt (and most of the Eastern churches) celebrate Christmas on January 7th. :) Imagine how they would feel if the new updates were taken out on January 5th. :) I would think there is more to making a truly Global game than just splitting the world into three territories and adding support for Unicode. :) ANet really misses the boat by imposing these very American themes on the rest of the world. --Karlos 00:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I hope there's a Chinese New Year (aka Lunar New Year) update celebration. I mean, the world Tournament is taking place in Taipei (which celebrates Chinese new year despite whichever side of the Taiwan/China issue you are or aren't on), and the lunar new year as right at the end of January this year (usually in Feb). -PanSola 00:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Another cultural misconception! :) The only people who use an actual Lunar calendar in the world are the Muslims. :) The Chinese and the Jews use a "Lunisolar" calendar that lines up with the Gregorian one every 2-3 years. A purely Lunar calendar (like ours) would keep rotating back 11-12 days every year (Lunar year is 354 days). This is why Ramadan does not map near any specific Gregorian month. --Karlos 00:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you sure they aren't just different lunar calendars with respect to how a "year" is counted? The Chinese "lunar" calendar, which you said to be "lunisolar", has the full moon on the 15th of every month.  The "Chinese New Year" is never the same day as the Gregorian New Year for at least the past 20 years (and I'd bet 2 cents that they are never the same day), so I'm not sure what you mean by "line up".  I'd be very interested in any source that explains this "lunisolar" deal. -PanSola 01:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok I looked things up on Wikipedia. Both "Lunisolar" and "Pure Lunar" calendars ARE actual lunar calendars!  And indeed the difference IS in how a "year" is counted.  You were trying to claim the equivalent of "The only people who are actual mesmers in the world are in Pre-Searing (before taking secondary profession)", when I said Sora Pan (Me/R) is a Mesmer that has finished all the missions.  Difference in "actual" and "pure" is quite a bit d-: -PanSola 02:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh brother. A lunisolar calendar cannot be a true lunar calendar because they count the years based on the rotations of the sun, not the moon. Lunisolar does not equal Lunar. You're trying to say tha W/Me can be considered a primary mesmer. You're the one stretching the definition. A Lunar calendar is a calendar fully based on the moon, months and year. Does "Solar Calendar" indicate a calendar that counts months based on the sun but years based on Mars? Nope. Why are we even arguing about this? :) --Karlos 03:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Well since this is really off-topic I'm taking this friendly discussion to your talk page (-:


 * Now I did make an entry for "Wintersday" to correlate the two. but I think the name used by 99.9% of the players out there is "Christmas items" and "Christmas update." New Year's is my preference because that SEEMS to be what wintersday is, and if the update stays past January 1st, then it would encompass New Years celebration. But in all truth, the giant Christmas trees, red hat on the Lion in Lion's Arch, candy canes.. It's all pretty obvious. --Karlos 00:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, most of the update is by all means Christmas and even spoofs a lot of the christmas movies (A Christmas Story). I don't think New Years is referenced heavily but this update will remain in effect until new years day. Arenanet has merged both holidays into one update and I think we should try to stay as consistant with that as possible.--The King Tarosian 00:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Consider teh Holloween update wasn't removed until quite a while AFTER halloween, and supposed there's this random "Tree Eater's Day" or whatever holiday a few days after Halloween, would you aregue that the Halloween update is also supposed to include the Tree Eater's Day? d-: -PanSola 00:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, Wintersday is connected to both REAL holidays in that Wintersday is actually on New Years day. However, its style is more in common with christmas. I hope that makes sense to ya :p ALSO: when are we going to decide on what to call it? Because I really just want to get back to updating. --The King Tarosian 01:01, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Blah, if Wintersday is actually New Years day, then are you going to call it Wintersday 2005 or Wintersday 2006? New Year 200X won't be confusing.  Wintersday 200Y might confuse the hell out of people once they realize it also means New Year. - PanSola 01:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * You erased my update, that's not nice :(
 * Don't stop updating. Use Christmas Update as a reference page and for now. Both will probably not stick, but once we agree on something, it will be easier to find the pages to update using "What links here." Is that ok? --Karlos 01:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * My fault. I didnt know I erased it. The last thing i would want to do is Delete you ACTUALLY AGREEING WITH ME for a change :). Hell, that should be framed and put on a wall somewhere. Since it happens very rarely ;). Pan, calling it Wintersday 2005 should be no more confusing then calling it newyears 2006. Breaking them into two sections will mean doubling up on the same information. --The King Tarosian 01:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well I'd argue that Wintersday 2005 would be slightly more confusing than New Year 2006, since as you have educated me, Wintersday means New Year. Anyways, even New Year 2006 (or 2005) is confusing to certain extent, since a good portion of the time duration of the update takes place in 2005.  THis is additional rational for me to vote Christmas and not Wintersday or New Year.  Henceforth, I officially withdraw support for "Wintersday 2005" as my second choice. -PanSola 01:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Why not Newtonmas 2005? :P
 * Seriously though, I'd vote for naming it what the game names it. That is what we generally do, follow the in game naming conventions.  --Rainith 01:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I still think your confused Pan. Wintersday doesn't mean New Year. It just "happens" to take place on the same day we celebrate new years day in the real world. Again, im sticking to Wintersday 2005 because 1.Its the offical name of the holiday, thereby we should remain consistent. 2. The update is during both real holidays. --The King Tarosian 01:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I see. Still Wintersday 2005 takes place January 1st, 2006.  That is confusing enough for its own sake.  Think of all the people who disagreed (or still disagree) that the year 2001 is actually the first year of the 21st century, not 2000.  In principle I agree we should use in-game names when available, but the update itself is sort of on a meta level, so there is minimal inconsistency of policy.  Would you call the halloween update "Mad King's Day 2005" or "Coming of the Mad King 2005"?  That would be what that day is known as within the game, as Tyrians don't really have Halloweens.  -PanSola 02:32, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't recall the Anet actually stated that that update was the "Mad King's Day" update, in fact they stated that that was something to the effect of "Halloween comes to Tyria" on their front page. This time they didn't put anything on the front page, but the update notes state, "On the twelfth moon of Wintersday ArenaNet gave to me..."  --Rainith 02:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, if every tyrian during the halloween update called the holiday "Mad King's day"....then yes :). Seeing how the update started in 2005 days before Jan1 i dont think people will get too confused.--The King Tarosian 02:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Just an observation, if/when the debate on what category name we want to use for this event is decided, someone should go through and standardize which category the various articles link themselves to. Some already attribute themselves to Category:Christmas Update while others are in Category:Wintersday 2005. -- unregistered GuildWiki Fan, 27 December 2005


 * This will of course be done, as soon as the discussion is setteled. Alas, probably drawing it out even further, I'm changing my vote... --Eightyfour-onesevenfive 14:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Tallying votes for the above section
Options sorted alphabetically. Discuss in the above section. Only primary votes are counted currently. Edit to change your own vote only please (-:


 * Christmas 2005 - 3 vote (PanSola) (Karlos) (84-175)
 * Holiday 2005 - 1 vote (Fyren)
 * Wintersday 2005 - 4 votes (The King Tarosian) (Rainith) (William Blackstaff) (Skuld)


 * Alas, Pansola, we seem to have been thoroughly defeated. :( What the heck is 84.175 doing here!! :) --Karlos 08:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * So, shall we rename everything to "Wintersday 2005?" --Fyren 04:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)