Talk:Game updates/Archive14

20/03/08
Assassins and Warrios nerfed again, Necros slightly buffed again......what a surprise? I actually enjoyed Mokele Smash....and Magehunter's was 1 adren too high to begin with, now it won't see any use again. G FUCKIN G ANet. Yet another huge screwup. Izzy probably needed more energy to spam Angorodons. -- Taki Fujiko  21:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hardly a buff. Jam[[Image:Jamster Sig.gif|19px]]ster 21:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, angorodons was nerfed pretty much. And was anything actually buffed in this update? Seems like many abilities that weren't even that great just go nerfed. Mr IP 21:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Some people might consider the change to Angorodon's Gaze a buff. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering that no one seriously ran it without the conditional energy gain, the cost was and is 3 energy. The reduction in life stealing is a nerf to b-spike. In other news - YAY no more turret rangers. Tain 21:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't even think that only "some" people think it's a buff. It actually returns energy now instead of costing 3 and can be used as energy management when you are <15 Energy. --[[Image:Takisig.jpg]] Taki Fujiko  21:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

F**K YOU IZZY
Are you on fucking crack or WUT, u fucking epic failing mofo, u should get fired@!Roxas XIII 21:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone's angry, might want to chill out a bit. Mr IP 21:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * GW:NPA --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well he didn't attack any *person* now, did he? I start believing this...thing...isn't human. And "he" doesn't read our oh-so-unofficial wiki anymore anyways. --[[Image:Takisig.jpg]] Taki Fujiko  21:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I still vote to remove Roxa's comments, they're just hate spam. Zulu Inuoe 21:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why are you discriminating the non-humans? --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm in love with a demon myself.. Zulu Inuoe 21:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's nice, but we don't censor people here- not on talk pages, at least. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we atleast switch the U and C with *'s? I don't much like the vulgar words, and I doubt anyone else honestly does either. Zulu Inuoe 21:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * IIRC we can censor extreme cases on talk pages. Mr IP 21:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * IIRC? Zulu Inuoe 21:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If I Recall Correctly. If just seeing the word causes you physical pain, then go for it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Guild Wars: serious business. Yikey ∞  21:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This wiki is o-so more useful then his brother. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px]] Lann 22:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

uhm, what?
Why Izzy? is this ur view of skill balancing, killing one skill after the other? what is GW to you guys really? instead of buffing the horrible skills u nerf all the others down to their level, when ur done we'll have a complete skill set of Balthazar's Pendulum quality skills... is that how u want GW to be? and still..u kill one class after the other, but cant see no changes to the Eviscerate spike really... its a 2 skills spike that can kill a player alone, even with monk support now that u bashed Guardian as well.. whatever really.. Im getting sick of GW, all that ever happens to it is this never-ending massacre of skills...... --Majnore 21:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What skills is everyone so upset about? This doesn't seem major... The Ranger stuff was nerfed because there was an overpowered HA build using it all I believe. Not sure abut the other skills..&mdash;&clubs; Jedi &clubs; Rogue &clubs; 22:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think people are especially upset about any of the skills in THIS skill balancing, I think they are upset that Izzy and the GW crew seem to have checked out. The A-net solution to ecerything is to constantly weaken everything. In most circles it is considered better practice to round things out by buffing something else to counteract the problem skill. A-net does not do this, and that means that eventually all the skills will be weakened to the point they are doing the same or similar things. ..... Thats really the only way you can achieve balance if all you ever do is weaken things. 68.14.76.172 23:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)E V E N H A N D S
 * What about mirrored stance? enduring toxin? seeping wound? wastrel's collapse? all these are forgotten and are in need of a buff --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px]] Lann 22:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What about the same skills, yeah, but then adjusted for PvE/PvP? We let everything in PvE stay unharmed, and when you enter the serious side of the moon, wham, nerf! Yikey ∞  22:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been seeing a growing trend where the skill balances are aimed toward discouraging characters from using skills in their second profession, particularly elites. Some are moved to the primary attribute or given conditional weapons clauses, others are made to scale from "1...31." One of the reasons Guild Wars has been successful is because of the variety involved in creating builds. Izzy is destroying that. I'm really surprised no rabid players have found his address and slit his throat yet. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All the skills i mentioned phail pvp and pve-wise --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px]] Lann 22:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What?!?! You know his address!?! GIMME GIMME GIMME! --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px]] Lann 22:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * People who disagree with this update are complete and utter fucktards with no idea about game balance. Please be quiet. Lord of all tyria 22:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ^^^^Classic^^^^ Retro77

(reset)Haha - you really haven't woken up and smelled the coffee have you? The plan is to make GW as useless and unplayable as possible. Haven't you heard? There's GW2 coming... What possible reason do ANet have for wanting you to stay in GW using up their servers? they want to slowly kill it off.
 * That would be true, but if they fuck up GW more than it is, ppl will have less faith in buying GW2 Lord of all tyria 22:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Lord, but no. When they murder half the skills in the game, they are not worthy any more of being defended. What I've always liked about this game is the diversity of the builds. What I'm seeing now is that skills are being practically destroyed, to almost no end. Do you really think people will use SoS with a 3/30 duration to cooldown? It really isn't likely. WY is dead, Enchanters Con. spikers are dead, Lions Comfort is dead, Guiding Hands is all but dead, Angrodon is dead, and rangers suddenly lost sundering/penetrating? In the face of these losses, what do we get? Earth Eles viable in pvp? I honestly don't see how you can be fine here. If they continue as this, then we will not have much left to play around with, leaving this game practically at the level of WoW. {End Rant, and btw, i just got edit conflicted x_X }  Oblivions Heart    [[image:Oblivions_Heart_(D-Dag).jpg|20px]] 22:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but yes. I assume you think the game was more interesting with signet of might making insta kills. Screw balance, I want unblockable, unprotable spikes. Who would want things that require skill, when we can have a multitude of skills that let shit players win? Lord of all tyria 22:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You must remember, that 90% of the people that play gw are, as you call it, "shit" players. He is arguing that a majority see these updates as unappealing. Also, your argument is weakened by your aggressive responses. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px]] Lann 23:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the problem is to most people, is how many skills they nerfed compared to how many they buffed. I'm still waiting for Izzy to pull his head out of his ass and dust of some skills that have been needing a buff for 2 years now. :/ --68.111.234.189 23:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the IP, loat stop defending anet, they dont deserve it, players, stop attacking anet, they dont deserve it. go flame izzy on gww. &mdash;♥May♥ Wick♥ 23:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I will defend a-net when they make intelligent decisions. This update is, primariliy, intelligent. It hurt some OP shit. This is good. Lord of all tyria 23:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, i made a typo, stop defending Izzy is what I meant. hes an idiot, tbh- He nerfs things that either dont need nerfing, or nerfs things that do need nerfing into unusability. Why cant he just find a viable medium? The Mystic Regen nerf totally killed the skill, and there are quite a lot of other things I myself am angry at him for, but I dont troll. Anyway, to all you whiners, stop whining here and go troll izzy on his gww talk page. &mdash;♥May♥ Wick♥ 23:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Who cares, meta gets nerfed again, its a natural process and will continue as long as sheep keep following the meta, there is no point in complaining.
 * People like the poster of above section just need to go cuss at Izzy somewhere where he reads. --[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 23:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Does complaining about skill updates ever fix them? I think I can answer that for myself. Thanks. <font color="Orange">Retro77

I think the problem is that people are now basically forced into the meta-game. There is no longer a "game" outside the meta-game....... There hasn't been since Factions was released. Whats next A-net? Are you gonna allow Ursan into HA ?
 * Meta gets nerfed? How long has Evisc+Execu been meta? Frenzy+Rush? Bull's Strike? None of those have changed. Its the constant nerf to the same professions that everyone is getting frustrated at (no need to point at specific ones) and the ignorance of outdated, unused skills that have not seen the light of day for the past 2 or so years (see my comments above). --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann 00:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The worst thing is: was never that good to being with. lol[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor  02:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hai guyz.
Random page I found a few days ago. Misfate 23:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice find <font color="Orange">Retro77
 * Yellow sigs.....--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 23:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Orange. Misfate  23:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, orange. I'll have to search for another, unused, color. <font color="Orange">Retro77
 * Done. <font color="Black">Retro77