GuildWiki talk:IRC

Userbox
If someone could make a userbox for IRC users, that'd be neat. --mendel 16:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone else can mess with the colors, but here's a basic userbox:


 * &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Should this be a template so we can have a category? and use the freenode channel? --mendel 20:46, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to make this a mainspace template. And create a category. We are going to mostly use the gamesurge one (if someone wants to ammend the page to reflect that) so I will put that in teh user box. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 17:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Duuuuude
Why Gamerserge? It's another channel - #GuildWiki on freenode pwns - it's been up longer, and it's on the same network as wikia support perhaps a casual discussion about what channel should be used would be nice Random Time 17:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since the freenode one's been around longer, and it's Wikia's official stuff, it would make sense to keep that one as the "official" GWiki channel. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Dont join #GuildWiki

 * Oh bloody hell, more drama on my talkpage. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Channel Logging
Why would a non-op have to turn off channel logging? --JonTheMon 19:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Freenode rules, on the MOTD for freenode

"We would like to remind you that unauthorized public logging of channels on the network is prohibited. Public channel logging should only take place where the channel owner(s) has requested this and users of the channel are all made aware (if you are publically logging your channel, you may wish to keep a notice in topic and perhaps as a on-join message)." Random Time 19:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm..I'm feeling a bit paranoid about that line You agree to have your messages logged by any member of the admin team - and to turn off channel logging for yourself unless you have op. By joining the channel I aggree that every op logs every message ? I find that harsh and unfriendly. Thats not in the spirit *why* the Freenode rule was written. If you wish, I can explain why that rule was written. I would rather see something like "Conversations may be logged by the operators, but only after informing the users in the channel about when and why he (or see) is logging. Logging by users must be requested by operators or owners of the channel"... or something like this (sorry, my english isn't that good) -- -- ( talk ) 14:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposal
I was bold and added a proposal for a few guidelines that I feel don't warrant a Policy; I thought of them after reading this.

If you think these are in any way controversial, feel free to delete them on the page and repost them here so we can discuss them. --mendel 13:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it might be too formal. Anything minor we discuss, like "Should we ban that guy or warn him?" doesn't need a whole thing here. Any thing major, "Should we implement a new namespace for players?" (no way) Would of course be discussed before implementing it. But I do think its nessecary to point out that we do not follow GWiki policies in IRC. NPA doesn't apply. You won't be banned on GuildWiki for things you do in IRC (unless you are threatening to vandalize the wiki) but you could be banned from IRC. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥  16:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I rewrote it to better emphasize the disconnectedness of the wiki and the IRC channels. It could probably use a little more work.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the rewrite; I tried to be less formal and convey more of the sense of the guideline - why it makes sense. I would want to strike "major", too. The problem that Karlos mentioned was that discussions on wiki are there for everyone to see and understand - if there are changes, you can see what caused them. If the discussions remain on irc and are undocumented on wiki, the arguments that swayed people remain unwritten, and it is very hard to refute them. So you don't need to document what you think about the lastest game update if that's been discussed; but if you've been forming an opinion about another user, or debating other things, it'd be nice to put that up on a talk page somewhere - it could be your own, and needn't be a long essay - but it helps those that patrol RC rather than irc to follow what is going on in the community. --mendel 23:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The re-rewrite is perfect, thanks! --mendel 07:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I propose...
...the creation of a supremely powerful GWiki IRCabal :D. 85.71.168.42 13:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur. - Auron 14:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent. In that case, I shall write up GW:IRCABAL so that it may be accepted as per IRCabal (Ha! Circular consensus ftw!).  85.71.168.42 15:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. We already have the MSNcabal, the gtalkabal and the AIMcabal. We don't need another. --mendel 07:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Pfft. IRCabal > all.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  23:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Doesnt work?
I cant seem to get it to work, it just goes to a black screen when I connect :( --Cloud dyl 16:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I presume you mean the web chat at irc.randomtime.info? It is working for others, and has done as late as 10 minutes ago. Please try again; allow the applet to load. Were you able to enter a name? --mendel 17:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I entered name and clicked connect, but it just went into a black screen once I clicked it. --Cloud dyl 15:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, could be an issue with your browser or your browser settings, then. Fortunately you have the option of downloading a free IRC client (see article for link) and participating through that. --mendel 17:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Bah..i get the IE cannot connect screen when I try to click the link. PossessedLinebeck 21:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

ChatZilla
I use ChatZilla and it doesn't recognise Gamesurge... O-o? "[INFO] Unknown network “gamesurge”." is what it responds with. --- -- (s)talkpage  17:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * irc.gamesurge.net -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  18:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Quakenet
Why not quakenet?

Rules
Some more concrete rules need to be stated imho.
 * 1) Serious wiki business ought not to be discussed on IRC (unless it's privately with an admin about private matters etc.)
 * 2) When issues of importance are discussed and decided on IRC, logs ought to be posted to wiki detailing the conversation
 * 3) Using /nick to "steal" others' nicknames, especially while they are |AFK or such, is frowned upon.
 * 4) "Logging in as another user" is also frowned upon.
 * (However, clever parodies of others' names is always amusing.)
 * 1) Kicking and/or banning is not a toy; while they don't have the same gravitas as a Wiki-ban, they ought to be taken seriously. Yes, I'm a hypocrite.
 * 2) Ops is not to be given around willy-nilly.

...etc (T/C) 02:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Your rule 1 needs a reason. I mean, I'm sure people are discussing serious wiki business in-game, on MSN and such, so why would you specifically prohibit discussing that on irc?
 * Concerning rule 2, I personally am very uncomfortable with having my contributions made to a fleeting medium published in permanent form, typos and all. Legally, I'd be able for copyright reasons (much of my contributions are creative works) to demand for my parts to be taken down. I have always suggested posting a summary , not direct quotes, not least of all because irc logs are comparatively hard to read. If logs from #gwiki are getting posted without consent, I might start a channel on freenode where there's a policy against logging.
 * Rule 3 is debatable, but I guess the channel ops can enforce that.
 * Rule 4 shows everybody how much sense it makes to always authorize, and since this can't be automated using the web client, how much sense it makes to use a "proper" irc client such as Chatzilla or Xchat.
 * Rule 5 makes sense because when you kick for lesser matters, you have robbed yourself of one stage in the "disapproval escalation". Now if all admins would realize that the "warn user on talkpage" stage on the wiki has a purpose... ;-P
 * Rule 6: good of you to realize that ;-)
 * --◄mendel► 11:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I would also be extremely happy if channel management would stop dicking with the user levels. We used to have it so that GuildWiki users who auth get 100, evrybody who can be trsuted to police teh channel gets 200 (that includes by default any wiki sysop), that a few users who are trusted (and online often enough to actually be available to do so) to promote other channel ops get 300, and that channel management gets 400-500. Now again this has changed in one fell swoop, I have no idea why, and it's a pain to keep track of and assign meaning to. And Warwick having 200+ for a time now being back to 100 without any reason I can see (she's not done worse than others now at 300, IMO) is weird as well. I am not happy with this. --◄mendel► 15:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Error
Today when I try to log in, I get the following message: Closing Link: Gigathrash by NuclearFallout.WA.US.GameSurge.net (G-lined)  --Łô√ë îğá†ħŕášħ  03:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mibbit has been shut down from joining (#gwiki) IRC afaik. I don't know how to fix it, Salad logged for the night, and RT is In Africa. >.< [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Coincidence? I think not!

 * [17:24]		!8ball does Gamesurge dislike everyone?
 * [17:24]	|<--	KyleH has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	Ruricu has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	Pling has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	Wizardboy|afk has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	Pixelz has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	mendel has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	FelixOmni has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	Shadowcrest has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	FASC|JonTheMon_zzzzz has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	coolguy has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:24]	|<--	ChanServ has left irc.gamesurge.net (*.net *.split)
 * [17:25]		The heck!?!?!
 * [17:25]		Evidently so...

Entrea   [Talk]  00:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Smooth. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  15:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

in-browser alternatives
Are there any alternatives to Mibbit for in-browser chat? I can't use Chatzilla or any other direct-connect program at work because we apparently have a blanket block on the entire irc:// protocol. And if too many people connect through RT's Mibbit client, gamesurge kicks them all off for being "clones". This is unacceptable. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 20:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have a *nux baux around you could set up a connection for you/others: cgi irc --JonTheMon 20:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

as a user I officially denounce gamesurge
GameSurge blocks my IP address (probably a range-block on blah blah blah .sbcglobal.net) so I cannot connect to it using any regular IRC client. It blocks mibbit regularly (to my perception), and will probably block any indirect IRC services that becomes sufficiently mainstream/popular. I don't know how widespread the problem is, but I suspect there is at least one ISP-based range block, and such that GameSurge is not a network that every person has easy access to.

I randomly hop on to Freenode. But in order for me to get onto GameSurge, I'd have to be lucky, and I'm running out of patience to randomly try my luck. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've seen sbcglobal IPs on our channel, so they don't block the provider wholesale. Try http://www.gamesurge.net/utils/gline/, maybe that gives you more information. The do scan for proxies. There are two more reasons to maybe switch the channel to freenode, and those are a) use of Wikia's browser-based irc client and b) potentially use a bot to receive our RecentChanges on the channel. --◄mendel► 09:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * connect to irc.eu.gamesurge.net instead of just gamesurge, it blocks me occasionally on the normal one. - Auron 04:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip, I had the impression that the type of blocks I encountered tend to be network-wide. I'll give the eu server a try next time I get on IRC. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * it might still block you, i dunno. but the normal one blocked my bot 100% of the time so I just had it connect to the eu one and it works every time now. - Auron 08:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

IRC from your browser
As long as our portal page is down, please follow these steps to try out IRC from your browser:
 * Go to http://www.mibbit.com/chat/
 * wait for the page to load completely
 * where it says IRC: Mibbit webirc, change that to Gamesurge Webirc
 * edit the nick if you like
 * do change the channel from #mibbit to #gwiki
 * Click Go and wait for the chat to load.
 * Type "Hello" in the box at the bottom and wait for people to respond.

It could take 15 minutes or longer before somebody notices (sometimes it takes hours), but everbody in the list on the right will see what you wrote eventually, unless they disconnect first). So just keep the chat window open and check back from time to time.

Using a dedicated irc program (or even the Chatzilla FireFox plugin) is better than mibbit, so you ought to consider installing that if you intend to use irc regularly. -- ◄mendel► 23:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Those suggestions don't particular help me due to reasons described in the above section )-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's why they're not in your section. But there are users who try to get on via RT's portal page and that is down right now. -- ◄mendel► 08:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

so what does being an "official channel" mean/entail?
-User:PanSola (talk to the ) 01:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

It means that that's where most of the guildwiki users hang out most of the time. The decision is somewhat arbitrary but needed to be made so the small IRC sub-community wouldn't be spread thin between the two channels/networks. It entails that we a) link to it more and b) more people hang out there. Since IRC discussions aren't binding on wiki matters anyhow, there's little else. -- ◄mendel► 01:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Meh, fine. Well, I can't easily hang out there.  The EU server suggested by Auron also was a no-go.  So would it be a good idea if I completely cease hanging out on the Freenode #GuildWiki to reduce confusion? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it's good that you hang out there, and I don't see anyone who's confused. I just likes my quiet. ;-) -- ◄mendel► 02:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)