Talk:Searing Flames

Auspicious Incantation -> Arcane Echo -> Searing, Searing, Searing, Searing, Searing... Kessel 05:43, 24 September 2006 (CDT)
 * I like this combo better: Fire Attunement -> Elemental Attunement -> Searing, Fire Ball, Searing, Fire Ball..... >> Trace 20:13, 24 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes, because everyone can have 2 elites in their bar. [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C) 20:29, 24 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Guild Wars strategies give advantages to those with two elites in their bar. It's superior to those with just one. --Mgrinshpon 16:33, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Exactly. Bring and elementalist hero with Elemental Attunement, and Arcane Mimicry him. If he's packing Deep Freeze too, all the better, for avoiding AOE flee somewhat.--GTPoompt 03:55, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Yep, this is why with 1 healing as support, Nerashi prevented a wipe in consulate docks, faced with at least 6 archers. Kicked their arses with her godly FOUR elites :P --Gimmethegepgun 07:09, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Boss at the north end of Turai's procession has this. Remember when you first got Factions and thought "gee, these elementalist bosses do a lot of damage?" --Fyren 20:35, 27 October 2006 (CDT)
 * The boss is called Korr, Living Flame. He/she packs a hell of a punch, but I managed to take it down. I got screenshots and stuff, putting the boss page up now. Bubbinska 21:20, 27 October 2006 (CDT)
 * I had no trouble at all killing Korr. Korr lasted about 15 seconds before dying, and didn't even take out any of my heroes or henchmen.  Isn't it great what Ward Against Harm can do?  --Curse You 20:14, 23 November 2006 (CST)

I'll ask this here: Can someone confirm that the 2nd note here is CORRECT and the skill description is WRONG? Because they can't both be correct. Second, can someone confirm that if you're Melandru or under frigid armour, this skill does no damage?
 * I see no reason for the first question, but for the second: Yes, it won't do any damange, because it will try to set you on fire first, and you are under the effect of Avatar of Melandru so you can't get any conditions like burnig. As you see, this skill only does damage if you are are burning --> the skill has no effect on foes immunite to burning.

KORMAB does NOT have searing flames. I just wasted time tracking him down only to find he has MINDBURN
 * He does, but only in Dasha Vestibule (Mission). --Curse You 20:37, 23 November 2006 (CST)

Kind of off topic but, a good counter to this is the "unpopular touch ranger". My guild ran a gvg, we had 8 touch rangers and the opposing team was using a Searing Flames spamming build and they got toasted (Pun intented). Anything can can either transfer conditions or ignore them can easily beat this skill and most builds that use it. Dr Titan


 * LOL 8 touch rangers, that sounds like fun. It'd piss people like me off who want to come up with orignal builds and get pounded by them in HvH (Everyone else can kill touchies with AoE but me, my build... can kill them but not the touchers. GAH!). Nice win, and this skill mostly shines in AB in my opinion, where it can easily cap a shrine solo faster than anything else besides echo-showers. Kamahl the Fist 21:26, 5 December 2006 (CST)

Mark of Rodgort -> Incendiary Bonds (cover hex) -> Fireball -> Searing Flames? 238 (plus possible extra 84) spike dmg to everyone wacking on your squishy. If that squishy just happens to be you, use Phoenix instead of Fireball for an additional 95 dmg. Possible total of 417 dmg + burning within 5 secs (after Mark is cast). This leaves room for Flare, Fire Attunement, and a res. This might keep you from getting touched for awhile, if they are still standing. Counters? Light of Deliverance or to a lesser degree, Winter. Queen Schmuck 05:38, 7 December 2006 (CST)

I honestly can't see the reason for taking up an Elite with a combo of Mark of Rodgort(limited)/Fireball. My guildies raved about SF so I picked it up and honestly the 2skill combo is more effective, with only a slightly longer cast time but more prolonged burning and less energy cost. Leaves the Elite slot open for something more useful. Morgneto 13.03, 28 May 2007 (NZT)

Counter
Hmm do we really need a counter section for a single spell? －Sora 02:25, 6 December 2006 (CST)
 * since the skill is practically a build in itself (at least according to some nukers >_>), i think it's appropriate. plus Frigid armor is quite obviously designed to be a counter to it. Bubbinska 03:28, 6 December 2006 (CST)
 * Well but still I think it's a bit over to put a whole counter section here, it's more appropriate to put it in the build that involve Searing Flames. －Sora 06:11, 6 December 2006 (CST)
 * A counter list could get reallllllly long, it should be build specific. Not only that, those counters are very general. Like dont bunch up. Duh. Xeon 05:27, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * You'd be surprised.. xD &mdash; Skuld 05:35, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * Pfft, you cant go around to every single skill and put Counter and then list the same ones, instead maybe there should be a AoE counter guide or something similar. Xeon 05:37, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * You've seen the forum whiners. No-one cries about firestorm, they cry at this because they haven't thought round it. No AoE counter guide.. just isn't needed. &mdash; Skuld 05:43, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * I suggest we remove all counters for this except the ones that make it useless, ie Frigid Armor and Avatar of Melandru. The rest are general counters. Bubbinska 06:44, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * Done. --Ufelder 07:16, 7 December 2006 (CST)
 * Nicely done too. Xeon 00:24, 8 December 2006 (CST)
 * avatar of melandrue functions diffrently vs conditions than frigid armour vs burning
 * frigid armour means you are unable to be set on fire, while avatar of melandrue makes you ignore conditions(ignore burning)-avatar of melandrue will ignore any conditions on you already, while frigid armour will "not" cause you to ignore/be cured of burning(if you were already)
 * Spamming SF alone won't do jack vs an avatar of melandru, so whhy'd you remove it from the notes? –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 23:49, 16 February 2007 (CST)

i though i moved it down-but i like how it was rephrased(wiggles out of explaining the diffrence)

Bug?
Has anyone else noticed a bug with this spell? Normally, for AoE spells, if the target creature dies mid-cast, the spell finishes casting anyway, affecting whatever is still in the area of effect. This one doesn't seem to do that though, and if whatever I'm casting it on dies, the spell fails. Anyone else run into this? -- Imbril Shadowfire  12:10, 13 December 2006 (CST)

It's not exacly AoE. Some spells, like for example, Enfeebling Blood can be cast even when target dies prematurely. Maybe it should be AoE, but it is not. I guess it isn't bug at all - Abedeus


 * That's exactly what I'm saying. Enfeebling blood, which affects an area, still casts when the target dies. Same with other spells like meteor shower, fire storm, etc. But this one, which clearly affects an area, doesn't finish casting when the target dies. It's possible that that was done intentionally, but I have a very hard time believing that such different behaviour is something they would have meant to do. --[[Image:SmallMapleLeaf.jpg|User:ImbrilShadowfire]] Imbril Shadowfire  11:05, 15 December 2006 (CST)


 * Isn't Rodgort's Invocation the same? --Armond Warblade (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2006 (CST)


 * Deep Freeze and MS is "at target's location". SF is "Target foes (and nearby foes)".--Silk Weaker 21:16, 15 December 2006 (CST)


 * I guess, the spells that target ,,foes and nearby can be cast, because of that ,,nearby. So it's not a bug, I guess - Abedeus 15:07, 16 December 2006 (CST)


 * Compare it to Rodgort's Invocation if you want to know whether it is a bug. I think it is, as I'm pretty sure Rodgorts Invocation casts even if the target dies. Mask Of Insanity 09:36, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Exactly. Rodgort's casts, and anything else I've tried seems to as well. Except this. --[[Image:SmallMapleLeaf.jpg|User:ImbrilShadowfire]] Imbril Shadowfire  18:13, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * The best reason I can think of of this not going off with premature death is because its effect is based off the initial target's state of burning. If he's dead, you can't check if he's on fire or not, so the skill doesn't know what to do.  --Arkhar  21:58, 13 January 2007 (MST)


 * No, I'm pretty sure the reason is that it has to be targeting someone (i.e. Target foe and all nearby foes...), whereas MS or Fire Storm targets a general area on the map (i.e. Adjacent to target foe's location).


 * I believe rodgort's invoc keeps on casting even though it says "target foe and..." –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 20:26, 14 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Well then, the only other one that seems to be likely is what Arkhar said 3 comments up. La va Ed ge 324 ++[[Image:Conjure_Flame.jpg|20px]] 10:02, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

What happened to the skill icon?
 * Looks fine to me. --Ufelder 01:02, 24 December 2006 (CST)
 * Icon has never been changed Xeon 01:04, 24 December 2006 (CST)

Nerf On the Way
In a recent Gaile chat, she all but confirmed this skill is gonna be changed soon. Someone asked her about it, and her response was along the lines of "Oh yes, I'm fairly certain SF is going to get ner...changed very soon". The chat log is on GWOnline somewhere, one of the chats right before the festival began. Not that it wasn't easy to see coming, but enjoy the skill while you can folks, it's likely gonna be hit before too long. DKS01 07:00, 25 December 2006 (CST)


 * If they think they can nerf my ele they'll get themselves nerfed. --Armond Warblade (talk) 14:24, 27 December 2006 (CST)


 * it is really ridiculous when you think about it....all 3 instruction booklets refer to the elem as the class that can deal the highest damage...then elems finally get a little bit of power back from the earlier aoe nerf, now they are gonna nerf it again? i dont even play an elem, but i am pissed off...they should just describe elems as "support chars"
 * Anet want to balance the skills out more so other elites get used as well, currently SF does more damage over time (or at least think it does) then other elites, which is why more people use it. Yes, they need to be given some power back but they need to be given it back fairly and even. -- Xeon 02:07, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * tis I from the post you responded to Xeon...sorry, i am still a noob at posting on wiki...i hear what you are saying...and as i said, i dont even play one..but i hear it all the time from friends that do, that anet seems to LOVE neutering elems...


 * i understand that skills should be balanced, but it seems anet wants to nerf ANY elem skill/ability that affects PvP...for me, i am strictly PVE necro, and it took anet more than a year and two campaigns to nerf SS....and it still owns all if you know how to use it, so necros arent really in the forefront of Anets conscious (not in pve anyway)....


 * but elems seem to be destined for support roles, as GREATLY opposed to their description....


 * maybe i dont know enough about PvP to argue...but even when i observe high rank Pvp, unless it is a spike team, elems are almost always ether prodigy heal party spammers


 * When was the last time you went to HA? - Fred The Second 05:14, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * recently....and when i do, i NEVER fear an elem....this should NOT be true of - as the instruction booklets describe them - the highest damage dealers in the game 61.180.231.2 05:18, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * GW uses PvP and PvE, it is unfortunate but anet have to work to balance the skills for pvp and pve, i just did a recent fix up of all the skill articles in the wiki and i congratulate anet designers in staying sane so far. The mass amount of skills they are implementing and going to implement in further chapters is going to be an excessive amount of work and i think anet know this. The main way eles were nerfed was the AI AoE triggers, as far i can see the bigger the exploit the more people complain. The simple fact is, if it is not fair, it needs to be downgraded. Elementalist are especially noticeable when it comes to downgrades because they use AoE and heavy damage in the one go, which is extremely temperamental with balancing issues. Btw you can sign your comments in talk pages with ~ -- Xeon 05:26, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * Warriors have the highest DPS, the manual for gw was made by monkeys, especially the original and factions, those two were inconsistent and littered with errors. -- Xeon 05:33, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * haha...yes i agree with your points...i really want balance...but i think it is too easy to just state that the manuals for gw were "made by monkeys"...cuz many people will read the online game manuals, and base their decision whether or not to buy the game on that...like i said, i know alot of elem friends that are VERY disapointed with the fact that they expected theirs chars to be able to cause REAL damage on a regular basis, and they are disappointed that Wars BY FAR do more DPS than they do, while at the same time maintaining higher armor class... 61.180.231.2 07:55, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * it seems to me, and others, that the changes ANet makes to the elem class are effectively limiting elem to nothing more than a support role61.180.231.2 07:58, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * The manuals were flashy, thats what drove people if they based their decision on the manuals, i chose GW because my friend played it and i purchased it to see if it was any good and i loved it. By stating it was made by monkeys, i really ment they must of put minimal effort into the quality of content, the amount of spelling mistakes & game play mistakes was just silly. Anyway enough about the manual back to the nerfing of Searing Flames & co. I think you have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of warr's v ele's. Remember a warrior can easily be disabled through blinding and weakness, while it will take quite a bit more to shutdown a ele. Using a lame example, if you run Blinding Flash in RA, pretty much any warr you come across will be shutdown indefinable. I took this one time in for fun and came across two melee classes, they could not do anything for the entire match, the rest of my team pounded the other two and the melee were left in the brink. This is a total different case in HA, GvG and so forth though.


 * My elementalist has suicided now 82.17.103.240 15:04, 5 February 2007 (CST)


 * Another way to look at it is, ele's will do AoE damage, warrs will not, a warr will do more DPS to a single target and an ele will do more DPS in a group situation, So the argument about warr's having more DPS has been manipulated over time. Ele's will never lose their place in a PvE group, other classes have only so much AoE damage and the ones that do have AoE are extremely limited, for instance. Spiteful Spirit, massive damage but you really can only have one SS player on your team otherwise you effectively lose a player because there is only so much ss love you can spread around and one person is enough to do that. Hundred Blades, Cyclone Axe, Triple Chop, Sand Shards, Mark of Pain. These are all sustainable AoE attacks, but do you see 6 warrs run in with hundred blades with 2 monk supports, could you image the pressure on the monks trying to heal these 6 people that are getting spiked and pummeled by AoE damage. The only other obvious mainstream alternative i see to an ele in PvE, is a Barrage group, im happy with them having just one skill that allows them to do this. Otherwise its just another ele class really.


 * I would not mind seeing Searing Flames downgraded mainly so other alternative skills can start to flourish, I would like to see GW with a range of skills that are acceptable in mainstream PvE. I can remember in prophecies, the only worthy build to run was Arcane Echo Meteor Shower with energy management. Elementalist in PvE has come along way since then. The elementalist character will never die, it will sink but never be removed from mainstream PvE. -- Xeon 09:01, 28 December 2006 (CST)


 * Just downgrade the burning duration to 1...3 the same as Immolate. That means that it won't be quite so overpowered, but it won't be nerfed to hell like most Elem skills. Cynical 07:18, 6 January 2007 (CST)


 * That WILL nerf it to hell, because then you would be REQUIRED to have 12 or more fire in order to possibly deal damage with it, because with 2 second cd and 1 second cast, they would not be on fire any more if it was 1...3 burning time.


 * Some suggestions and discussion here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10096852 &mdash; Skuld 12:11, 7 January 2007 (CST)

If you're all going to complain about elementalists being weak, don't argue against a SF nerf, argue in favour of a buff for every other elementalist elite. I agree that elementalists are fallign behind a bit, but having only one skill to bring them up to par doesn't make sense. I'm up for a nerf if it will bring more variety back to PvP. --{{User:Arkhar|Arkhar]] 22:04, 13 January 2007 (MST)

Yeah. Recently I ran with an Ele in AB who was running Maelstrom instead of the typical Searing/Meteor nuke. I can say that I've never had an easier time capping the Elementalist shrine before then. For once, zero casualties. Furthermore, an adequately prepared anything doesn't have much to fear from Searing Flames. See Mending Touch? That is a godly skill right there, and I've never been shafted by a lone Elementalist with Searing Flames. Play smart and that's all there is to it. 68.53.168.153 07:05, 17 January 2007 (CST)


 * Reducing the burning duration wont do much, see mark of rodgorts. -- Xeon 07:17, 17 January 2007 (CST)


 * NOOES Nerfed for the weekend to 5 sec max NOOES! -TehBuG-


 * YAYS! --Gimmethegepgun 18:49, 19 January 2007 (CST)


 * And the extended Searing Gaze recharge time!!! If this is permenant then Dearing Flames Eles are Nerfed... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!! --Wakleon 18:32 (PST)

Yay!! SF FTL!! Savannah Heat ftw. --" Sigm@  (talk|contribs) 03:05, 22 January 2007 (CST)

Omfg. This nerf made me change to promise nuking, and I was kind of liking it tbh. On my second mission, I get complaining because "I didn't follow calls (which is impossible or A's promise wouldn't recharge my stuff) and I didn't metshower them correctly. Appearantly 4 metshowers on 5 enemies isn't enough now. *dies* –Ichigo724 15:18, 5 February 2007 (CST)


 * I really don't think this change will make much difference. Well, at the very least, it hasn't stopped most players from using it (and winning with it). Just last night, my Ranger got wiped almost instantly by a SF ele (total armor of 100 can't do against a quick-succession quintuple blast of SF). Glowing Gaze is still useful, Glyph of Lesser Energy is just more important now. Even Glowing Signet could find a place in a dedicated SF build, even if it's only going to gain 5 energy. {Jioruji Derako}  22:32, 5 February 2007 (CST)

I added a sentence saying how Lesser was nerfed, i know i dont use it anymore with SF.Ranger_Brice 11:43, 6 April 2007 (CST)
 * Lesser wasn't really nerfed for ele primaries. –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:02, 6 April 2007 (CDT)

Yeah i suppose you are right, but it was nerfed a bit. Ranger_Brice 5:57, 29 May 2007

?!?JACKSON HEWITT?!?
OMG... Look at Jackson Hewitt's Symbol...-X H K http://www.jacksonhewitt.com/
 * Wowzerz. I support this message.  Doom Music 02:09, 13 February 2007 (CST)
 * ROFL –Ichigo724 19:18, 1 February 2007 (CST)
 * I KNOW! XD X H K
 * ...lol... -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 21:32, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * o.O --Fobdo 21:38, 2 February 2007 (CST)


 * Well duh. Taxes cause Burning (of your money) and, over a longer period of time, some severe damage (to your money). {Jioruji Derako} 02:54, 4 February 2007 (CST)
 * That was the stupidest joke ever. ever.Apekooi 20:58, 29 May 2007 (CDT)


 * Obviously, 6 Jackson Hewitt agents will decend into neaby towns and start burning and damaging the populace until they control the world. WE MUST STOP THEM!--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 23:08, 22 February 2007 (CST)
 * I sent jackson hewitt a website critique marked "lol searing flames" and filled out the box "where did you hear about our website" with a link to this discussion. ^_^ 68.146.22.0 19:21, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

Searing Flames / Savannah Heat?
Now I know that SF is a fast and effective skill, but I was curious as to whether others out there prefer using Savannah Heat over Searing Flames for PvE? I personally like the overall set-it-and-forget-it nature of Savannah Heat, and casting a Meteor right after Savannah Heat usually knocks enemies down just long enough for the last tick of Savannah Heat to hit. A Mark of Rodgort -> Savannah Heat -> Meteor combo is pretty light on the energy, too. Well, just a thought. :] -- VoteForGwen 11:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)
 * I prefer SF. I run A's promise on my E mostly though. –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 12:36, 14 February 2007 (CST)
 * Frozen Burst>Savannah Heat>Searing Heat equals 552 damage + 3 seconds burning EVERYTIME. --68.45.25.117 14:51, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Frozen burst is PBAoE... –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 16:19, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Edit: also: Armor –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 16:20, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * SF is superior to Savanna Heat in pve. - Skakid9090 16:09, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

^no... its not. you need lots of SF eles for it to be superior, however the more SH eles you have the aoe is off the scale.

OMG NERF
dident this skill have a burning time of 8 with 16 fire now its 5?
 * It used to have a burning duration of 7 at 16 fire, so it's been reduced by 2 seconds. This was done on the 2nd of February if I recall correctly. --220.233.103.77 04:43, 28 February 2007 (CST)
 * Yeah, it's been nerfed for a while now. Also: have a look at gg if you haven't already :/ –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 09:57, 28 February 2007 (CST)

thanks

Icon Inspiration?
Could the skill icon have been inspired by the Southern California Edison logo? http://www.btm.dk/Links/logo/sce-logo.gif --72.194.109.3 02:31, 30 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Does bear a strong resemblance. Though streaks of light from a corner is actually quite a common scheme in a small square drawing. M s4 18:36, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

Elemental Lord
Possible to get 24 fire magic, 175 fire damage SF. Any idea how to change the table to reflect a level 24 attribute? This goes for any other skills, too. Spen 21:04, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

Imagine that with Intensity and Max Lightbringer, in a quick math i concluded it can do 307 damage to demons, VS a 60 AL target flat.

See Elemental Lord, cant raise attys past 20. Solus  21:05, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

Nerfbat
Anet brought down the Nerfbat today after all those lovely buffs and new skills, and Searing Flames could not escape. Ouch. SF Ele's in PvE will pretty much have to use the new skills to make up for it. And as for PvP, we've all got what we wanted: less SF Eles. Huzzah, everybody wins. Of course, a simple Recovery spirit owns SF any day. DancingZombies 21:16, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * What new skills? 10/45 intensity, or +1 to all attributes... - Skakid9090 21:22, 19 June 2007 (CDT)


 * People really need to just get over SF already and use something else --Gimmethegepgun 21:23, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Why the hell would they? The update reduced base damage by ~13 points, not a big deal when the overall damage lost is ~7 or less due to PvE enemy armor. This only changes PvP, so that it's less spiky. Overall, it's a loss of ~2-4DPS. --Kale Ironfist 21:25, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Meh. SF spike wasn't too great in pvp anyway. M s4 22:10, 19 June 2007 (CDT)


 * And yet every noob ele used it --Gimmethegepgun 22:19, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Finally... I think they should have nerfed this a long time ago Silver Sunlight 06:25, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Nah, nerf was unneeded. If the nerf was needed, it would have come months ago. A thorough scan of PvP threads concerning balance, elementalists, and gimmicks revealed nobody complaining about SF in the past... 5 months. Mostly unranked groups ran SF, and they were never a problem, so I dunno what ANet was thinking about nerfing them again. Aside from nobody abusing it since Thousend Tigers, it was just a perfectly balanced skill. Cost a ton of energy, burning didn't last very long (after the first "nerf"), and you had to use packs of eles to do anything spectacular, which crippled the utility of your build; all in all, one of the most balanced skills in the game. Until... now. It just sucks now, balancing wasn't a concern here. - Auron 06:31, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It'll still be my skill of choice in PvE regardless, still better damage over time than savannah heat. Lord of all tyria 06:38, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I didn't mean it should be nerfed because it's over powered, it just outclasses almost all of the fire elites Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 07:21, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Huh, so you're saying it should be nerfed because the other fire elites are underpowered? Strange way to improve the game. 218.111.45.77 10:44, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * No Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 12:39, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

It's just a token change. &mdash; Skuld 06:59, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Why even do it then? All they will accomplish is to yet again piss a bunch of players off. Maltheterrible 07:18, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Because it satisfies the minority calling for a nerf, while not actually doing a huge amount to it in real terms. Lord of all tyria 07:19, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Im happy, that SF got nerfed... I never really liked it. Why use this energy-consuming skill over Savannah Heat? Alone it can do more and faster damage, arcane it and use 2 other eles and it's better than SF. And costs less energy. &mdash; Abedeus   09:30, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Kinda strange reasoning. You think SH is better than SF and so you're happy SF gets nerfed? 218.111.45.77 10:44, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

SF is clearly bad, too much energy ( Hi Fire Attunement + GoLE) let's use 5x Savannah in PvE and cause insane scatter, clearly your goal. Equinox Astra

You don't want that much scatter in pve... thats why in hardmode they scatter faster when u use AoE spells like firestorm. --Killer of good 10:14, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Savannah Heat owns when used intelligently in PvE (Normal Mode only, I'm afraid). Throw one down then hit them with a earthquake and another and maybe throw in a meteor. Kills the cheap part of SH but it'll clear any area.

I'm happy that it got nerfed. I can use other builds in PvE, and my SF build is still decent. I hate to only be able to find a SF ele group in HA, so I'm hoping this opens it up for better builds. Savannah heat in my opinion is more fun anyway, and though starburst is still pretty much a gimmick, it's much more fun than Searing Flames. I hope they buff Star Burst >.< Alreajk

SF in HA was a gimmick, that no one ever took seriously. Everyone who ran SF-way was usually unranked, and couldn't find groups elsewhere. Readem (talk *contribs ) 15:51, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
 * "SF in HA was a gimmick, that no one ever took seriously." If something's a gimmick in HA, then it's certainly a gimmick in GvG. Unranked? Haha. -Silk Weaker 11:55, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Isn't anyone happy that we can now take on Ruby Djinns and Korshek the Immolated with slightly less concern than before? --Ckal Ktak 14:39, 20 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Not really, because bosses still get an x2 damage modifier (ele bosses are deadly because of this) and the enemies still have much higher attributes than players. Soja 01:08, 21 June 2007 (CDT)


 * The fact that bosses normally have double damage means this nerf hits bosses twice as hard. Go figure that. --Ckal Ktak 13:40, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

Aren't people aware that to use SF spike in hero battles before, you would have to have 2-3 people doing it? So yeah, the damage is down a bit, but when 3 people do it, the damage is suddenly not down so little. Interesting note: I was just getting into WoW when I reached the end of some mission in GW... we were so close to the end, and then a ruby djinn boss just ripped my party to shreds with this skill. I ex'd out and just lost all interest for a good time. :) 72.192.62.77 08:20, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeh, that's a problem with double boss damage, which was a stupid idea to begin with. In general, bosses are pushovers, except for a select few where the innate boss buffs make them stupidly hard; the Healer's Boon boss in vabbi that has 1/4 cast time on everything and it heals for twice as much, and unlimited energy from... being a boss. And in this case, no bosses make decent use of the double damage except for the Searing Flames ones, who annihilate teams on a regular basis. WTB non-flawed game design, 3k ok? - Auron 08:29, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Just because you don't like something and use something else doesn't mean it should get nerfed. I'm not fond of tennis, doesn't mean that all tennis players should play using one leg only from now on. It wasn't causing any trouble in PvP, or it would have been nerfed a long time ago. It's not a deadly nerf, but if it's symbolic, and PvE only, then it shouldn't have been done at all..
 * I don't like Tennis either...it should be nerfed. P A R A S I T I C 19:09, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

I really should get going in Nightfall and see Kormab or some other Djinn use this...always people lauding its praises as teh penultimate Ele elite and others saying how badly it is teh sux...I should go see for myself how badass or how bad it is, I think. I've been owned by SF in RA, long time ago, but that doesn't count when your party doesn't have a Monk, ehe. (T/C) 19:12, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

LOL, SF-spike in HA? Ofc there were a few guilds running decent SF-way, but over 90% of all SF-Way grps were newb Pugs bringing MS. All good HA teams use SH, not SF. Oh, and even in GvG it was pretty underpowered imo. They essentially replaced the B-bot, and Snarer, for two eles that did little but spam SF, and keep the Aegis Chain going lol. Silk, I would like you to go into HA and find a PUG. Guess what you'll be running even after the nerf? SF, or RC :O! Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 20:38, 23 June 2007 (CDT)


 * a couple of guilds totally farmed the ladder with SF improving their rank from like 600 to 40, if I remember correctly. SF was very powerful in GvG, it typically failed against good teams but really excelled at wiping the floor with average ones. Very high end play isn't the only level that should be considered. I'm talking about 6 ele 2 monk teams fyi... a few high ranked teams ran 2 SFs a while back from time to time, mostly only if they were using heroes, but I haven't seen 2 SF teams in a long time, it's a lot weaker than the 2 mindblast equivalent or more typical choices for the midline. Phool 03:16, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

It just occurred to me...
Searing flames? I wonder if any Char in GW:EN will be using this. 24.196.94.255 16:06, 6 July 2007 (CDT)


 * Are you talking about it as a skill that a monster would use or use it as a Monster Skill? - Strato (talk) [[Image:User_strato_stratus_signature.png]] 16:59, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Disappointing
Well, I finally capped Searing Flames, and I can say I am rather underwhelmed. Maybe it is because I am "too late to the party" and it really has been nerfed to quasi-balance, or maybe I just need more than three SF Eles on my team, but...meh. The skill deals moderate AoE damage and Burning, but compared to some of the other nice Elementalist set-ups (Dual Attunes, Mind Blast, Savannah Heat, etc.) this does not seem to especially stand out as a wtfpwn Elite. Considering all the love and hate this skill has gotten in the past I was expecting things in ordinary PvE to just drop dead in seconds...instead I found myself constantly scrambling for Energy management and being unable to do anything at all when Fire Attunement got stripped and I hit zero Energy. Personally I find this skill to be too rigid. You can't fit much else than Glowing Gaze, Attunement, and GoLE and perhaps Mark of Rodgort on your skillbar, since they won't be used and/or cost too much energy that you don't have. SF's best defense is offense and an SF Ele is basically defenseless if they are shutdown in any way. This happens especially often in the late-end of most Campaigns, where you face strong caster hate in the form of Interruption, mass enchant strip, Daze...And even when you do manage to pull off a round of SF, most things just seem to have too high Health to simply die easily.

So - do I just suck badly at SF or is this skill really not all it's cracked up to be? :( (T/C) 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

I still find it to be very good in PvE, even though I use SH over it. Most of the time a cover enchantment such as Aura of Restoration will do the trick. I use this as my chain when SFing. Mark of Rodgort->Liquid Flame->Glowing Gaze->SF->SF, IIRC. I havent played SF in a while, but I think that was it. The reason Liquid Flame is good is that it provides AoE burning, as all enemies in PvE are either attacking or casting. PaintballerOWNZ 16:02, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

How do you manage Energy, though? Mark of Rodgort + Liquid Flame + Glowing Gaze + SF = a whopping 45 Energy (basically 1/2 your energy total), minus whatever returns you got from Fire Attunement and Glowing Gaze. And that's just to start the chain. After that, spamming SF over and over again could only be done about three times. And the whole chain is still pretty fragile - Hex removal, interrupts on any of your spell casts, Energy denial from skills like Debilitating Shot, Energy Drain, Quicksand (thinking Desolation and beyond)...Magebane Shot also kills you. I guess if you've got numerous SF Eles, then at least one of them will be able to get it off, but still...That's just in NF, too. I've also tried SF in Perdition Rock and it failed miserably thanks to Lingering Curse and those stupid Phantoms. Or even Chilblains. And in Factions...Arcane Languor...ugh. (T/C) 16:17, 29 July 2007 (CDT)


 * The counters you listed are classic caster counters aren't limited to a Searing Flames build. MoR > LF > GG > SF doesn't exactly equate to 45 energy. With Fire Attunement on, it's closer to 30; and GG covers for itself plus more, so total cost of the 'standard' opening is around 27, factoring in regen. That isn't much for an Elementalist, and using GoLE > SF > GG (or even MoR again) recuperates energy with FA. The key to energy management is to use GoLE whenever it's available. The point of having multiple SFers is to capitalise on AoE burning and damage rather than increased damage probability. --Scottie theNerd 06:18, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

I find SH to be a far better skill tbh, the and if you run yourself + 2 eles with the same SH build... lots of aoe, i find it far more efficient to SF. Just my $0.02
 * It's because SF was never that great. The Hobo 15:14, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
 * SH is certainly more efficient; it kills faster and costs less. What I find benefits SF is that it requires a target, which means it will always hit that target as well as any nearby targets. SH builds excel at spreading AoE, but without a central point of effect, enemies can quickly move out of it, especially in Hard Mode. Both have their uses and can rip through enemies, and both have their associated disadvantages. --Scottie theNerd 00:00, 1 August 2007 (CDT)


 * One of the features of SF that people like is the targeting, I think. SH does more damage, but makes foes flee... even if they flee from SF, the next hit will still be right on them. It just makes SF that much easier to use.
 * I rarely use SF, because SH is a better skill overall. But sometimes, I just bring Zhed and Sousuke, set them to SF, and get to work. E-management isn't a big deal, if you're careful about it (spam GoLE, keep up the attunement, Glowing Gaze every chance you get, and don't use SF when a well-placed Flame Djinn's Haste will hit for the kill). And not having to worry about where the foe is makes it easy to just blindly spam like a madman. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] <font color="#237d00">Jioruji Derako.> 20:37, 11 August 2007 (CDT)