User talk:Zspanky

Ranger Enchants
OK, I suspect that merge is going to go ahead if both Jyro and Rapta support it, and we'll have to add some text to Famine-Redux. I wanted to chat with you a bit about the enchantments, since you seemed to have a strong opinion on it. I want to caveat this discussion in that I consider it a seperate issue than merging (since honestly, the build works any way you do it). Current "redux" (horrible name) bonds for the monk are Succor, Balth's. Current "hero" bonds for the monk are Mending, Balth's.

I want to know why you find it appropriate for the Ranger to put attribute points into healing when you already have your monk doing the exact same thing (and the monk being in a better place for it with their superior rune)? I feel that Succor is a clearly superior choice in this instance. However, were you to go with a purse SoA 55, then he wouldn't have healing and it may be appropriate.

The build that I use for this is the following (regardless of whether I am playing 55/hero-famine or 55/famine):

For the monk with the proper attribute spread, you can have +4 regen, always up Sv/Av, always up SoA, always up HB, and a nice long SB. As I've said before, any Sv/Av tank can do this (even an E/Me Sv/Av tank) so it really isn't too important how you choose your tank skills as long as you can tank forever in any situation.

The place I think this build is superior is in the Ranger build. By using all bonds that require zero attribute points, you allow the ranger to go [WS:12+3+1, BM:12+x, M:3+x](ranger uses a Poisoning Candy Cane Bow, energy is never an issue with Essence Bond up). Edge of Extinction speeds the build up a lot. I mean, I don't even consider it optional for when I'm doing "pro" smite runs.

If the Ranger is to bring mending, they really need a skill of 9, which is going to gut his BM skill, thus limiting EoE's effectiveness, both in damage and in duration.

(Aside: Much of the information I just put above really needs to go onto Build_talk:Team_-_55/Famine_Redux and I need to archive my previous discussion there as it isn't really appropriate. I will probably get off my ass and do that someday.)

-- Oblio (talk) 13:30, 5 January 2007 (CST)


 * I prefered the enchants the way I had it, because you will have more energy, with only Balth you will get less energy. And for the EoE, I never use it, because it doesnt speed up that much, not so much for me that I need to use it. And therefor, the ranger needs almost no energy because it only has to cast a 5 energy ritual.


 * I will keep using my build, and I only posted it to pass on the information to other players. But it seems most people prefer the other build, so a Merge can be done. Maybe its a good idea to put the build with Variants?


 * I think its also good there has been talked about hero's, so even if my build vanishes, I still feel I have contributed something to Guildwiki.


 * (Sorry for my bad english, Im Dutch, so its no my first language, if you think there is something you need to tell me, please type it in childish english :) -->I want to caveat this discussion in that I consider it a seperate issue <--Horrible sentence ^^)

Zspanky 15:36, 5 January 2007 (CST)


 * Your english is very good- I tend to speak/type overly complicated by nature (loquatious :))- it's a fault of my family. I found with practice that Blessed Signet wasn't needed for me to maintain energy as a 55, and in fact, once I started using Succor+Balth's, energy was NEVER a problem. If you try it, I think you may be pleased with the results. With SV or AV on me at all times, I found I rarely have to overcast PS or SoA/HB.


 * Edge of Extinction saves about 20-40 seconds per large smite/smite+coldfire group, depending on how long they decide to wait and heal while not attacking. It doesn't save much at all against Aatxe's (though Apply Poison makes them quicker).


 * I JUST cleaned up Build_talk:Team_-_55/Famine_Redux and added my preferred build to that. When we merge the articles, we will have to add some text to the main page about strategies for a Hero Ranger (that is what "merge" means- not to just delete one).


 * Thank you very much for your contributions to the wiki. We are both members of a team trying to make a documentation website as good as possible. By choosing to commit your time and effort, you have elected to join the team, and your contributions are very valuable! -- [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png|25px]]Oblio (talk) 15:49, 5 January 2007 (CST)

--I never Aggro groups larger than 5, maybe 8 with the Colds so EoE is less usefull for me I guess. --I trust you with merging both articles. When I got some time I'll try your build. But I'm working on something else now ^^. Zspanky 05:55, 6 January 2007 (CST)

Because you are spamming. If you have something worthwhile, put it there, until then I am removing. &mdash; Skuld 17:17, 31 January 2007 (CST)