User talk:PanSola

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Sortable QR
that is by far the coolest thing i have seen all week. --Honorable Sarah 00:54, 12 April 2007 (CDT)


 * And I'm surprised nobody has done it on GuildWiki yet, considering we got the Javascript to do it ages ago (before I came back). There's a minor issue with the current version of the script though, making the spacing around the sort button ugly )-:  -PanSola 00:56, 12 April 2007 (CDT)


 * The whole thing also looks better in Chinese, because characters naturally go in the vertical direction. http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/MesmerSkillDescriptionChart  Sadly, most of the data is out of date there, as I don't have the energy to keep it updated. -PanSola 00:58, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

Is there anyway we could get a stable sorting algorithm? With such an algo, it would be possible to do multiple level sorts by just doing them one after the other (for example: sorting by attribute and name -> sort by name, then attribute). From the tests I did, this seems to not work right now, which would mean that it is using an unstable sorting algorithm. I couldn't find the piece of javascript implementation we use, but if you can point me to it, I could modify it into a stable sort. --Theeth (talk)   12:55, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes it's possible, it's on my to-do list, but it's much slower so I'm thinking of making it an "advanced" option that is not enabled by default. The javascript I am using right now (which isn't the one you guys see) is User:PanSola/sortable_mod.js.  -PanSola 16:06, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

Try this instead of shaker sort. It's a swapless stable quicksort with non-random pivot. That should fix the speed issue of the sorting. (no guaranty on the errorlessness of the code, it's adapted from some C code I have lying around, my JS skills might be a bit rusty). --Theeth (talk)   16:43, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

static void qsort_data(list, comp_func, head, tail) { pivot = list[head]; ihead = head; itail = tail;

while (head < tail) {		while (comp_func(list[tail], pivot) >= 0 && head < tail) tail--;

if (head != tail) {			list[head] = list[tail] head++; }

while (comp_func(list[head], pivot) <= 0 && head < tail) head++;

if (head != tail) {			list[tail] = list[head] tail--; }	}

list[head] = pivot; if (ihead < head) { qsort_data(t, ihead, head-1); }	if (itail > head) { qsort_data(t, head+1, itail); } }

function qsort(list, comp_func) { qsort_data(list, comp_func, 0, list.length - 1); }


 * I thought quicksort with non-random pivot, by definition, has terrible worse-case performances. O(n^2). -PanSola 17:48, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
 * With presorted list, yes, it's O(n^2) operations and O(n) storage (recursion) whereas shaker sort's worst case is O(n^2) operations and O(1) storage, but average cases are much better with quicksort than shaker. Moreover, the non-random pivot is rather easy to fix, I just didn't want to hunt around for JS randomize functions. --Theeth (talk)   18:33, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

I've been working with some sortable tables in my User space when I came across the work you've been doing. One thing I have been trying unsuccessfully to implement is marking specific columns as non-sortable. I saw that you have a template/function call { {weapon qr top}} that implements this but I can not for the life of me find the article to look at the implementation. All attempts to find weapon qr top return no results. Where can I find this article? I also read in one of the posts that you have a work-around for the current javascript stripping out template/function calls from header rows (my second problem). Would you also let me know where to find information on that fix as well? Thanks! --  Glamtre  (Talk) 13:55, 16 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Template:weapon qr top sets certain header cells to be class="unsortable", which then gets processed by the javascript MediaWiki:sortable_mod.js. It's not exactly documented, but hopefully the code isn't too hard to understand.  Let me know if you have specific questions.  As for the tag-stripping, it's a very tiny modification used in sortable_mod.js also.  The original behavior is in, but my sortable_mod.js completely overrides it. -PanSola 02:07, 17 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Thanks for the info. I totally forgot about the Template namespace and I REALLY hate wiki search!  Are there any plans for your updated code to replace the installed class="sortable" code?  I am happy to implement your code in my namespace for testing, but if it works one way for me and other for someone else I consider that a bad situation. --  Glamtre  [[Image:Axe-icon-right.png]] (Talk) 12:41, 20 April 2007 (CDT)


 * I've been working on it. But IE compatibility seems to be a very weird issue. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:45, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

Proposal
Well, you told me to propose one, so how about this? Looks decent to me --Gimmethegepgun 02:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Propose it to the general community, not to me o_O""" That looks like a rabbit on a bad-ear day btw (my personal opinion.  I have no problem setting that as the site's favicon if most of the community likes it) d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 04:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Made a better one and fixed link accordingly. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Moar Monaco
Right now, the Swords and Shield emblem that has been in the top left corner since time immemorial is being chopped in half vertically. It doesn't look great. 02:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently with Monaco, you get no indication that you've been redirected if you attempt to go to a redirect. What I mean is, when I click on my signature image, I'm taken to my userpage with absolutely no (redirect from Image:Felix_Signature.png) message. At the present, I can't find any way at all to access a redirect page with Monaco. D: [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

fix please--‎ Fire  Tock  23:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fix it by, umm, ugh... i forgot what you said, but i remember it was the first one, do the first one (the one on the discussion of the mainpage) to fix it.--[[image:"Burn Baby Burn!".jpg|19px]]‎ Fire  Tock</tt>  03:33, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, keep your comments in the same place please, it gets harder to follow if one conversation is jumping between pages. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Skill box
Were the changes made to the Common.css involving the skill box the reason why skillbox is so screwed up right now? It seems that the div for the portion is outside of the skill box div now and so it's below it --Gimmethegepgun 00:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Screenshot + browser version after refresh cache? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Browser: Firefox 2.0.0.13 --Gimmethegepgun 01:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, was just about to contact you about how the colors in the numbers on RC disappeared, but I just fixed that problem (and probably others too) :P --Gimmethegepgun 01:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Is the skill box still messed up after that fix? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's still messed up, it looks to me like the 's    is outside of the skillbox's   instead of inside of it, and only putting it inside (using Firebug) fixed it --Gimmethegepgun 01:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It has always been outside though... Can you use firebugs to check the width of the skillbox div, if it is specified? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, check between Monobook, Quartz, and Monaco. See if all 3 skins have the same behavior.  Then try logged out vs logged in.  And if you got different browsers installed, give those a spin too.  I have having trouble reproducing your screenshot directly. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * After cycling through all 3, both logged on and logged off, the results were the same. With Firebug, unless I moved the code to inside the div, the only way to bring it to normal was to reduce the height of the skill box div, increase the height of the  (since otherwise the table gets shoved inside the box on the side) and decrease the   's width to make sure it didn't get stuck inside the box on the side. However, when I moved the code to inside the div, it still got stuck inside the box on the side because the p was still too wide, and the table got crunched together because it was close enough to get wedged between the navbar and the box --Gimmethegepgun 01:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think I found the problem. The skillbox div is far too wide, if it is the same width as the skillbox table then everything works correctly. Why both of them are the same name is beyond me, and is likely the problem --Gimmethegepgun 01:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They only have the same classname, and that shouldn't affect things. It seems to be an FF2-specific bug, as I cannot reproduce it on FF3 beta, Safari, or Opera; I had to downgrade my browser to find the problem.  The new skill box code should fix it though. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks fixed on the skill box template, but on others such as Shockwave the problem is still there. I WOULD go and test out .css changes, but for some reason I can't make new lines with either of my enter keys in FF, so I'll have to restart FF first --Gimmethegepgun 01:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, there we go, it's fixed. Tell me if any problems arise after I mod the Common --Gimmethegepgun 01:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, with the new ksillbox code, there are no more divs usuing the class Skillbox, so your CSS additions would do nothing. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok then, I guess FF was just being dumb before I restarted it, because it wasn't letting me make new lines with Enter either, so it probably wouldn't update after I refreshed my cache. So, we might as well delete those lines in the Common then? --Gimmethegepgun 02:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll clean it up later, so we don't get edit conflicts. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You killed my skills page :( <font color ="skyblue" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 02:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (RI) Alright then, at least we got that bug worked out :) --Gimmethegepgun 02:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then.... time to get back to work :P Screen please Blue? --Gimmethegepgun 02:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Err... when you say your skill page, you mean the one you have in your userspace? Looks fine to me, what's wrong with it? --Gimmethegepgun 02:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes and on my monitor everything is all squished and tiny and the description is at the very bottom and the pic is elongated. <font color ="skyblue" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 02:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What screen resolution and what browser? --Gimmethegepgun 02:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

ZOMG
idk you but you're on so http://www.iamscruelty.com/videos.asp <font color ="skyblue" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue  06:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * PETA phails tbh. --Macros 22:17, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Clear
You broke it :( &mdash; Poki#3, 20:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is it broken? It works fine for me. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at my userpage. See the show/hide boxes at the top? They where in separate rows, but now are in 1 row, and I have to cut the one short. Also, both overlap my character box. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 21:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The S/H boxes broke when Wikia busted in adopted the Wiki gently. Have you tried to replace every | with | ? That could cause problems. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not the point... If I replace

with <br style="clear:both;height:0px;"> (the old content of the clear template) the s/h boxes will be placed like they where again. &mdash; Poki#3, 22:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The br one is a less-good clear, because it actualy does take up space despite the height-0 declaration. I'll see if your page can be fixed while using my version of clear. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If not, then I'll just make a "clear2" template, or just use "the ugly way" (pasting in raw code). &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 23:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

admin board
Pan, could you add a link to the admin noticeboard somewhere under support in the left hand bar? I'd do it myself, but I don't know where the page is and I'd probably mess up :P Thanks,  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  01:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * MediaWiki:Sidebar. That's what you need. I think you needa add "adminnoticeboard-url|adminnoticeboard", but somehow I also think I'm wrong. Go figure ^^' --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 14:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Unprotect it and I'll add the coding if you want, or I could just add the coding into the talkpage for you to enter? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 14:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * As I stated before, we'll not unprotect and reprotect everytime someone wants to edit. Just give the code and an admin will snip it in if nessecary >.> --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 14:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Dammit, I sooo wanted to get a MediaWiki edit onto my editcount.. =P >_> &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 14:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no unprotect feature for a mediawiki page <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  14:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. Not really surprised about that, though. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 14:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Halp lol
I'd like to incorporate Entropy's "master template" into my personal css settings somehow, but since I'm using Monaco I can't just copy+paste code from monobook, and I really have no idea how to go about doing it. I'll probably tinker around on my own, but any assistance you can give me would be amazingly great. 01:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant .js, maybe. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you verbally describe to me what the "master template" does? I'm not seeing anything in Entropy's css/js that are of interest to monaco, -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The master template is just a bunch of links to admin-y things. You can find it at the top of User talk:Gimmethegepgun. The js version is at User:Entropy/monobook.js. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * All Entropy got in her js is stuff that modifies her own sidebar. With monaco, just edit Special:Mypage/Monaco-sidebar.  You can check out mine at User:PanSola/Monaco-sidebar.  If you want something to put at the top of your talkpage/userpage, that'd be done via a normal template, not involving js/css. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That is extraordinarily useful! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Darn, I only wanted to be ordinarily useful... Well, since I've crossed the line anyways, you can also take a look at MediaWiki:Monaco-toolbox vs User:PanSola/Monaco-toolbox.  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 09:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Only problem with tinkering .js is bit longer page load times. I will freely give credit to Monaco toolbar edits in that they don't seem to cause as much lag for (mostly) same benefits. Btw Pan, if there is an "Admin skin", those are some nice tools to put in it. I know I saw you messing with that sometime. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * MediaWiki:AdminSkin refers to "the skin set by the admin to be the default skin that all anon users see, as well as any logged-in user who didn't picked something in their preferences". There's currently no skin-related stuff that automatically affects all users with admin status (although that can be done via JS). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 09:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you saying I can tinker with the skins that anons see, and they can't do anything about it? That sounds fun. :) In seriousness, though, how would one go about to make an "admin skin" that those with admin/bcrat status see. I have this idea...We have the #IRC channel and private email, but both of those are subject to some degree of clumsiness and unreliability. So, what if there was a way to post a message to all other admins - privately, in something kind of like the Monaco "Shoutbox", which appeared on the sidebar or such. If there was a feature like that, I could see it being much easier to, say, do another April Fool's joke type thing and it would be so much easier for everyone to participate. All they need to do is log on to GuildWiki. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 12:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * After our databases move, the adminskin should become avaliable in your preferances I think. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 12:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Anons can't do much about it, but there's something they can do about it (though most of them won't know they can). As for your admin shoutbox idea, that's a little too advanced for easy implementation.  What I had in mind is just a javascript that detects if you are a sysop (easy to check), then the javascript loads different CSS (easy) and menus (on the complexity of the JS that addes new portlet in monobook). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 12:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Haha-- Oops..
Looks like I got stuck with the wiki =|. A solo wiki? Meh, less vandalism.. &mdash; Warw/Wick 10:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Help
My screen is totally retarded =|. Its facing sideways instead of upwars... (Instead of ^ its >),.. Don'ts uppose you know how I can fix it, do you? &mdash; Warw/Wick 11:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * From your description, it sounds like a tablet PC with a misconfigured setting. Unfortunately I have no experience with tablets.  Turn your screen 90 degrees in the mean time until the problem is solved. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 11:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its not a tablet pc. I just rpessed somthing ingame, and when I minimised Guild Wars it was like that.. its just a normal laptop =| &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember that, it's something like ctrl alt and either up down left or right, i'll try to find info <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  11:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, thanks RT! &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * NP, It's good practical joke btw! <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  11:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah so
On Entropys advice, I'm telling all the admins about Request for rollback. Yeah, go check it out like a good :P &mdash; Warw/Wick 14:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Autoblock failz
User:Organism X contacted me by e-mail today, letting me know that the block on Warwick also autoblocked his IP. On Organism X's talk page I noticed that there has been a similiar case earlier with a ban on Jedi, which autoblocked Organism X. I thought you might be interested. -- (gem / talk) 16:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Basically it failz. )-:  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 17:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * These incidents were much rarer before we moved to Wikia tbh. Now I have to remind myself to always uncheck the autoblock box. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

placeholders in deletion/banning candidates
Do you still need these? It has been awhile. (T/C) 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Pan said they were there because if nothing was in either of those categories they'd fuck up, don't know if it's been fixed or not --Gimmethegepgun 05:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, is why I'm asking silly :p Knowing they are empty gives me psychological peace of mind if you want to know. Since after all It is a sysop's sacred duty. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought that "a sysop's sacred duty" was to make you (the Bcrat) look good :P --Gimmethegepgun 06:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I still need them there. Well, I need at least one in each.  Having two helps identifying a problem clearer.  Have you had a chance to try out Monaco with my customization yet? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Pan, as of a few minutes ago the Monaco sidebar started extending into the actual content area like a template would; It's actually covering part of the text I'm typing. It's kind of not good; did you change something just now? 07:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed something a few hours ago. Not a few minutes ago.  Take a screenshot. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:brokenmonaco.jpg|100px]] [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, looks like some stuff in the width-narrowing code didn't update for you. Have you tried cache-clearing? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. Just did again. No effect. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Browser/OS version? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Windows Vista 32-bit. Microsoft Internet Explorer 7. Firefox 2. Opera something. None of them are working properly. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:52, 16 April 2008
 * Windows XP confirmed, not working. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 07:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok it's something I did, and It's affecting me now too, but I'm not sure why it's broken. Looking into it now. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It should be fixed (refresh yoru cache), BUT I don't know why it was broken in the first place. I did some hack that just happened to work, but I don't understand why it was broken.   -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I figured out what I did wrong d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I'll grow a beard. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And you think *that* is gonna convince me you are male? Nice try, this is the internet. d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That alone should have convinced you! There be no girls on the internet, arrr. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And you think you can obfuscate the issue by hiding behind an arbitrary binary division? I *KNOW* there are humans out there who are neither girls or male. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahaha! don't be ridiculous! Haha! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 09:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi thar, what's up? I've barely understood a single edit in the last hour but from what I can gather this wiki no longer needs the main namespace because it seems to have turned into some kind of beauty pagent that even you're involved in. Still people seem to be having fun so I guess it's all good. I actually saw you the other day too, I didn't realise you're Italian. --Xasxas256 02:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, that's just the community being the community. I blame me.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ  is hosting a beauty pagent! 02:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Xasxas, were your comments directed at me, Felix, or someone else? *confused* -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I should have started a new section, they were directed at you PanSola and I feel somewhat comforted that I'm not the only confused one! --Xasxas256 02:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Grats
You are fully entered and ready for the contest when it starts.--<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ is hosting a beauty pagent! 03:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey there Italian Bag of Food
What does MediaWiki:Protect do? --- -- (s)talkpage 17:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It controls what text the link to protect a page shows. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 17:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oic. Doesn't really change a lot, so I won't complain --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 17:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for being awesome.
For editing Regina's talk page etc. etc. One of few admins on a wiki that I've liked. 72.192.62.77 01:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Unfortunately, unless you get an account and log in, I won't remember who you are the next time we meet.  I'm really bad with numbers. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What? Come on, there are only four billion, two hundred ninety four million, nine hundred sixty seven thousand, two hundred and ninety six IP's to remember. Shouldn't be that hard :P  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 01:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Lyssian Archives
Thank you for your reply :) Sorry if any of my comments seemed stupid; it was late at night and though I (think I) read the entire article, I probably mis-comprehended a lot of it. Again, thanks, and good luck with the project! &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * your concerns were very valid, not stupid at all. I want to make sure the proposal evolves to address as much of the potential issues as possible, and your perspective has been of much help (-:  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Need A Little Coding Assistance
If you get a spare minute or two, I could use a hand with something. I borrowed a template here and I'm posting it to my user page with the template function, and the and in the template affects the rest of my user page, causing a few issues. Is there a way to use those 2 commands and have them ONLY effect that link I posted above? Thanks for the help. -- User:Isk8  (T / C)  11:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You can use and . Things in noinclude will work on the template page, but not on any page that's using the template. Include only will do the opposite (things inside don't work on the template page, but work on everything that uses it. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 11:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What Poki said, unless you need something even more fancy in terms of transclution behavior User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 16:55, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That isn't working. If I noinclude, it just omits that from my page.  Includeonly works on the template page if I wrap notoc and noeditsection in it, but then it doesn't work on my user page.  I am stumped at this point. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] User:Isk8  (T / C)  17:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you describe the desired behavior? From the above description, it sounds like you want NOTOC and NOEDITSECTION to affect the template but not the page. If that is all, then the noincude tag should do the job. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 17:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he wants it to still affect the template when it's placed on pages (i.e. - don't add the edit section links or all the entries in the TOC for the headers in the template, but still do it for the rest of the page). Imo, just don't use actual headers. Remove the and, and then change the == Header == to just Header , and the === Header === to ;Header .  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 00:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That turns out like this.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 00:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help on that Wizard. I had thought about using Big command, but I wasn't familiar with the ;Header command.  I will have to keep that in mind.  Just out of curiosity, was what I was trying to accomplish in the first place even possible?  -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] User:Isk8  (T / C)  13:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Things like and affect the whole page, and I know of no way to make them only affect part of it.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 21:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of coding assistance...
Do you have any idea why this isn't working? I have basically the exact same code on my monobook.js here and it works fine. Any help would be appreciated :)  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 01:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Firebug says "missing } after property list" on line 17. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, visually it looks like all braces are matching. I suggest adding something SIGNIFICANTLY less complex on PvX to start, then slowly build up its complexity. Start by trying stuff without \n at all. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks, I'll try that.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 01:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Simple version still doesn't work >.> Might it have something to do with only having MediaWiki 1.9.3?  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 01:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know html coding? <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 02:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know a good amount of html, yes. And I'd assume PanSola knows more than me ;)  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 02:13, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I do -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wiz: Possible. I'd advise try something really really really simple, like re-implement the button for italics, and see if you can get that to work. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yay failing
High five!<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  02:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ROFL, yeah d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And skills do have synergy with themselves. Just not that one. [[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  02:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Echo doesn't count as a self-synergy skill IMHO. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but you can echo... something... to get synergy. Maybe.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  02:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Freezing Gust and Searing Flames have synergy with themselves :P  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 03:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Pagent Update
Please post your reply to the question as soon as possible, contestants will be graded on lolz factor, as well as actual answers that might help the world.--<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ is hosting a beauty pagent! 03:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

New
Message. --- -- (s)talkpage 12:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Minis
I have double Burning Titans I could trade for something (although I probably can't get on for a few days). I don't have mandragor, kirin, or Shiro minis yet.<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Deldrimor artisans on Perfect stat QRs
Thanks for catching that. I looked at the rest and noticed that I'd completely forgotten to change the Artisan for the different professions - they were all linked to the Artisan of Steel! XD &mdash;Dr Ishmael  03:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hehe, I suspected as much, and trusted you would catch on (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 04:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Monaco(Gamer)
Not sure if this is a problem for all Monaco, but i've been using the gamer one and a lot of the lighter text is next to invisible. I'm not sure exactly where to go, i went to the page for improving monaco and it said you're part of the project. So if there's a way i can change my settings that'll let me keep the Gamer skin while not having next-to-invisible text, let me know. For an example, go to one of the image pages, all the copyright stuff is impossible to see w/o highlighting.--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 01:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

User talk:204.13.236.244
Why did you add the delete template? Why didn't you just delete it straight out? Blue.rellik 10:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because I feel it's semi-debatable. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Feedback and opinions? Also broken "next 75" link for me. Halp? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 10:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well what's to debate? That Entropy is more than capable or using some words that would make some mothers faint? Or maybe to stand as an example of how not to react to a vandal? If it is the latter then do we really need an example of what not to do? Blue.rellik 10:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I find it *semi-debatable*, I was not in a mood to spend sufficient time reading over everything and analyze them. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ive read it all, and didnt find it much of significance (sp?)... But, I like the 5 what-links-here-links box thing. Nothing that really needs to be preserved. But then again, we generally dont delete crap, do we? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 10:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Blue, well Marco removed the delete tag. If you support its deletion, go debate it with him. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah :D This is why I mostly let others deal with vandals now, other than lack of time. I break QDV too much. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is why I hate going out of town, I miss all the fun on the Wiki. :P -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] User:Isk8  (T / C)  14:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That was back in 2007... You were out of town a LOOOONG time! --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 15:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Doh! -- User:Isk8  (T / C)  15:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Lulz! Threadnecromancery ftw, eh. On Guru a topic roams about the betas, from, liek, 2005. A month ago some guy came along and posted on it... 3 years late >.< tards --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 15:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Description
Is there any pages that lists any creature that is lacking a description? Kinda like that page that lists creature pages that doesn't have a picture and whatnot. Or do I have to go through every single page seperately? Blue.rellik 03:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotta do it manually. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * gaybar Blue.rellik 03:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Categories
Okay, something is seriously messed up. Several skills (I can only remember Assassin's Promise, but there are others) have no autocategorization for no apparent reason. I've been messing around with the stuff in my Sandbox, the GuildWiki Sandbox, and made a temporary junk mainspace article for it, but NONE of them ever turned up a category for anything involving the Skill box template. I can't find the problem anywhere --Gimmethegepgun 19:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's for catchign it. Everything with apostrophe in the name is messed up.  Will be fixing. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting, that seems to be affecting the as well, see Warrior's Might.  Let me know when you figure it out.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 00:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Typical, not 10 seconds later I figure it out - it's anything with punctuation in the article name. The template checks , but internally the wiki replaces any punctuation in the page title with the html-escape, i.e.   or  .  I just checked "Charge!", and the only reason it has cats is because they're hard-coded in the article, not auto-generated by the template. So that's what's causing the problem, but how do we fix it?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 00:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We fix it by not doing that check. Take a look at .  I'm still testing it for errors. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha, coolies. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * While you're at it, check out a suggestion on my talk page that was made last night to add progression tables for the title-track skills. He's even got templates made for the progression bars.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 14:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Skill box base
Do you plan on having users create templates to use on pages with these? If not, the edit link just breaks. Regardless of this fact, though, what your creating already exists.<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Bleh, so much for the work. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:16, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess your version probably does help for... whatever its being used for in the skill box draft, but still.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Image Redirects
Do you have any idea why they don't seem to be working? -- User:Isk8  (T / C)  05:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Might have something to do with upgrading to MW 1.12 stable release. RT already reported the issue to Wikia I believe. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

D'oh
Sorry, dont bother reverting it. I'll fix it myself. Just looked up and saw you reverting, thought "wtf", checked it out and realised how badly I screwed up :p.. &mdash; Warw/Wick 16:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Running a bot is a great responsibility, due to how much damage it can be done before someone catches on. Please be triply careful from now on.  Doesn't the bot only have permission to tag images anyways? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 16:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Tag images and do anything on Bot tasks. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 16:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In any case don't pick a task another bot has claimed, unless it is obvious that other bot is not going to be working on  the task (eg, bot owner explicitly say so or doesn't respond in a week).  Having multiple bots doing the same task can cause conflicts. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 16:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that the bot owner isnt on the task, though, since he's not running the bot at the moment? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 16:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He's not running it at the very moment you checked, but there's no gaurentee he won't start 30 seconds later. AND he's still around and said his bot will be doing them.  Go tag images. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not exactly what Entropy said:

"OK then, definitive yes, if May will keep the bot confined to 1) tagging unused images with the "7 days" tag; 2) removing/deleting redlink categories; and 3) after 7 days, deleting any image with a "7 days" tag. Further projects will need another request, and don't forget to add it to the botting page. (see below) (T/C) 14:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)"


 * You are allowed to tag images and remove redlink cats, that's it (since you don't have delete permissions). If you want to do anything else, you have to make another request (to Entropy, I'm assuming).  She never said that you could do the tasks already on the project page. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Removing redlink categories, in technicality, is what I'm doing when I'm doing the build links rewrite. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 18:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Build link != Category... It's a whole different subject, tbh. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 18:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Removing redlinks at all, imo, is basically the same from removing cats. And besides, the only one that I did was links to Category:Untested builds. :) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 18:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, if you're removing the build category links, then go ahead - that's what you have permission to do anyway, and those aren't covered by my bot, it only does links to the build articles. I only took a quick glance at MayBot's edits and saw where you'd tried to remove a build template link.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And succeeded :) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 18:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * And phailed. http://guildwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Stabbot&curid=18101&diff=1272805&oldid=196936 -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This doesn't look like a successful edit to me. And neither does this: you're leaving the closing }} or ]] after the link.
 * And I don't think removing cats is the same as removing links - with a cat, it can just be removed entirely, but with the links we have to be sure that we change it in a way that doesn't disrupt the text of the page. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, Warwick, someone other than you is going to need to check every single edit of Maybots that were made today and fix up all the problems. And if nobody does it in 8 hours, I'm gonna be stuck with that task. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 19:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * and why not me? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because today isn't your good day. nothing personal against you, it's the combination of Today and you. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In other words, you are on a phail streak today. Maybe tomorrow Lyssa will smile upon you. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lyssazardru ftw. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Skill box --> User skill box
The following pages in your userspace are using :

Because they are user-created skills, they should instead be using. Please update them to use the correct template. If they have not been changed in 5 days, they will be changed for you. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 03:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

New Sig
Breaks GW:Sign. No Sup or Sub tags. :). Btw, I are doing good with the relinking? :) -- Warw/Wick 18:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Grr, it's not a new sig, it's my standard Wikia sig overriding my GuildWiki sig. BTW, haven't had time to check the relinking.  Sig test: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

中文
你会说中文吗？ CorrectJeans 18:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 會，不過有些簡體字我看不懂. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 我只懂‘我看不懂’. 你说中文怎么样？(I'm having fun btw) CorrectJeans 18:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "I can't understand some of the Simplified Chinese characters." was what I was saying. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. I can't understand the Traditional ones ;-) CorrectJeans 18:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

If you have a little spare time
I was wondering if you could look at a couple coding minor issues I am having. I applied a code to my userpage, just for a change of look, and I think it looks pretty cool :D. I am trying to make it compatible with both monobook and monaco skins, as well as different resolution settings. So.

Issue #1) Monobook vs Monaco.  I applied a span color tag to the Quizzes section of my user page to change the color to lightgreen.  It shows up in monaco no problem, but in monobook only half the text changes color.

Issue #2) 1280x1024 vs 1024x768. I recently increased my resolution to the larger of the two, and am trying to still make my page compatible with the latter.  The only issue here, (and it is a rather minor one) is that my Characters section is offset to the right slightly when at the lower resolution.  Is there anyway of adjusting this, because it appears like it should still fit in the table I have setup.

Again, this is purely at your spare time only. This is nothing urgent at all, just a couple quirks I am trying to work out. Thanks. -- User:Isk8  (T / C)  09:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Bleh, it shouldn't display as lightgreen in Monaco... BTW, your page takes way too long to load/process. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 09:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, I've got alot of crap on there. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] User:Isk8 (T / C)  11:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks alot for the help Pan. Everything is as I wanted it :D You Rock!  I wish I had the time/patience to learn HTML.  I just pick up little bits here and there as I can.  Programming is not my strong suit.  (and that crappy coding on those quizzes you can blame on the sites which I got them from :P) -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] User:Isk8  (T / C)  11:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Recommended
You have been chosen (or singled out, based on how you view it) by Warwick as a possible candidate for filling a new bureaucrat position, as per this page. See the notice on my userpage or talk for info. This is an informal process so there is no acceptance or rejection at this point in time; nevertheless, should you care to comment, please feel free. I would appreciate your own self-assessment feedback, even if you do not think you would accept the position. (T/C) 07:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Miniature bartering
I have a duplicate of a Burning Titan, if you would be willing to trade for you Duplicate Kirin (not pre searing one). Let me know. -- User:Isk8  (T / C)  19:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Entrea offered me a Burning Titan first, let me check with him out of fairness if he can do the trade anytime soon. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * >_< Damnit... Okies. Makes me wish I had seen it on your userpage sooner. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] User:Isk8 (T / C)  20:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Entrea gave her blessing on the mini, so let me know whenever you would like to do the trade. (I typically can be in game mornings and evenings, my time (-6gmt). -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] User:Isk8  (T / C)  15:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll see when I have time to get on (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 16:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Skill box punctuation issue: solved
I think I just solved the issue of punctuation in the page name when you're using #ifeq to compare it to a string parameter. Use the magic word to encode them both with HTML entities.

The new autocat on Skill box is fine, there's no reason to revert that in order to use this, although I am using it on Effect box now. I just thought I'd mention it for future reference. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 02:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

francais?
But it's not in your Babel boxes! (T/C) 05:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't speak franch, I'm just linking to my userpage over there. Although the "Other languages" setting doesn't seem to be working... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Showhide
Is there any way to set a showhide box to default show? I'm trying to get one to work but it just isn't going right, the inherent style  is overriding my , and   is disabled --Gimmethegepgun 23:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)