GuildWiki talk:Requests for arbitration/Not a fifty five vs Karlos

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I was holding myself from taking part in this discussion/argument, and don't regret. In addition Tanaric had the same opinnion as me, which seems to be rare. :) Okay, issue solved, nothing more to see here. Move along and contine contributing. -- (talk) 14:41, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

I missed most of this while it was taking place as I was on vacation last week and not watching Special:Recentchanges or my watchlist as closely as I normally have done. However, after reviewing the considerable amount of talk on this, I can say that I would have also banned User:Not a fifty five, and likely for longer than the three days done by User:Karlos. There are appropriate ways to bring attention to issues, but intentionally vandalising builds to gain attention is not one of them. And yes, his actions were vandalism. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:45, 11 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Clarification: I am using Wikipedia's definition of vandalism here, which states:
 * Vandalism is any addition, deletion, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia.
 * The most common type of vandalism is the replacement of existing text with obscenities, page blanking, or the insertion of bad jokes or other nonsense. Fortunately, this kind of vandalism is usually easy to spot.
 * Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia. For example, adding a personal opinion once is not vandalism — it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated.
 * The edits in dispute, for a time, compromised the integrity of GuildWiki entries until reversed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:42, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

I also agree that Not a 55 was in the wrong in this situation. His actions were reprehensible. I think Karlos made the right decision here, and I think Tanaric has dealt with this arbitration request well.  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 18:45, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

Tanaric's best arbitration yet. --Xasxas256 18:56, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

I am completely in agreement with Tanaric's decision and the above comments. --Rainith 20:44, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

Can we port the "Don't disrupt" policy from Wikipedia?
In conclusion to this, perhaps it is important to have that policy spelled out and stated clearly. Maybe in a separate policy document or as part of Assume Good Faith or How to Help. So, that new users (who may not be very mature), understand that we take such a thing very seriously. --Karlos 19:13, 11 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Wikipedia's "don't disrupt" guideline has been implicit on this site; but I agree that the time has come to port it over and make it explicitly spelled out. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:35, 11 September 2006 (CDT)

Message to Not a fifty five:
Dude, for someone who wants to enshrine a class of build gurus who alone will have the power to vet builds (see Talk:Builds), you seem awfully dismissive of the "oligarchy" of this site's admins. The only fault in Karlos's ban is that he gave the reason as "vandalism". He should have blocked you with the reason "disruption". You cannot win any arguments by disruption, which only proves that you do not see the worth of civil discourse. You are showing no remorse for your actions. This is a very black mark against you. I think you should step back. Walk away from this debate. Take a two week vacation from builds in the wiki. I'm saying this not because I think you are bad for the wiki (the wiki can protect itself), but because you are digging yourself a hole you cannot escape from. Are you enjoying this? If you aren't, just stop. If you are enjoying this, then it is grounds for more drastic administrative intervention. 217.173.129.76 20:08, 11 September 2006 (CDT)