Talk:Treasure

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Could someone clean up and summarize the findings into an easy to read format instead of the haphazard forum like clutter the discussion is in now. We need to know what is fact and what is speculation on how they refill etc.
 * I can confirm that the chests DO, in fact, refill. I can also confirm that it's about a month between refills (give or take a week.)  In Hard Mode, the gold dropped is the same as Normal Mode.  The item quality is a subjective matter.  There's the gist of the entire discussion.AOTT 15:22, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

theres a new one i found, i took a picture but the name of it didnt show, its called something like "Dusty Urn" all it said when i oppened it was i got a stain on my sleeve. forget that, this is for a quest.

So far I've opened three of these. One had ~1.1k and a gold wooden boar scepter, one had ~2k and a gold dragon hornbow, and the third had ~2.1k and a gold aureate lamp. The golds were all crap, but it looks like all chests DO drop a gold item... DKS01 05:24, 21 December 2006 (CST)

I wonder if the quality / quantity of items / gold is favour related like other drops. DOn't really want to test it out of favour but if anyone has tried and can remeber maybe note it here? Raxous 08:26, 21 December 2006 (CST)
 * The quality seems to be related to the difficulty of the area. --Theeth (talk)   13:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)

a) A map of treasure would be really nifty

b) This gold, is that dropped on the ground and shared amongst all party members? So it would be best to go alone or to go with party of people who can each still open the treasure? --Bob III 11:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)
 * Most of these places have maps because they are near bosses Xeon 11:56, 21 December 2006 (CST)
 * The amount of gold goes directly in your bag, it is not shared. --Theeth (talk)   13:52, 21 December 2006 (CST)

Farming these with two guildmembers they both got the same item from a treasure chest in realm of torment, different stats tho, and the base merchant value was 660 gold - pretty high lvl drops. 84.49.225.3 18:02, 21 December 2006 (CST)

They don't only drop gold items in one of the "Do Not Touch" I got a ruby instead of a gold item.Dark Kal 11:39, 23 December 2006 (CST)
 * its either a ruby, diamond, sapphire or a gold item from what i have seen Xeon 11:55, 23 December 2006 (CST)

Is there any source or quote telling us these are not permanent? The update log doesn't read like it actually... Jinnai 21:54, 23 December 2006 (CST)
 * Read the treasure chest article Xeon 21:59, 23 December 2006 (CST)

I see no source what so ever to the not permanent. Why would they not be permannet the are mentioned in uder the sub heading OTHER UPDATES. Some one is trying to justifed wasteing there wintersday time framing chest.
 * "No, the chests are for the holidays. They are not permanent." from, which was posted in the Treasure Chest article's discussion page, as Xeon tried to tell people. Capcom 21:13, 24 December 2006 (CST)
 * There is a thread at gwonline.net forums in which Gaile says that the chests are probably permament, but she can't get an official confirmation at this time.here
 * Confirmed - the treasure chests are PERMAMENT. Link.. Someone should edit all the articles about them (I don't have the expertise or the time).

Treasure "counters" have been reset (As of 12:00am GMT January 20th) Characters can now RE-OPEN ANY previously opened treasure ONCE more (Chests, DNT & Buried). I will check if unopened treasure can now be opened twice by characters who had not opened it before the treasure coun ter reset. - Raxous - 06:36, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * see Talk:Game updates/20070119 -- Xeon 06:42, 20 January 2007 (CST)

I have just reopened all the chests i previously did and i did not recieve even 1 gem i got all gold items.
 * So?.. you won't have guarantee that you will get a gem.. [[Image:Tomoko's_Cookie.jpg|19px]] Tomoko Pink Angel 13:52, 12 January 2007 (CST)

I have tested, and chars that did not open tresures last time can only open them once this time, not twice.--TheDrifter 14:49, 21 January 2007 (CST)


 * I have opened well over 20 treasures and NEVER had a gem of ANY kind, ALWAYS gold + a gold (rare) item. [[Image:Raxous_wiki_sig.png]]- Raxous -[[Image:Raxous_wiki_sig.png]] 10:01, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * I've had 3 gems out of 15 treasures. (4*nightfallen jahai, 1*domain of pain, 2*outside moddok, 3*adashim, 3*sulf wastes, 2*outside orchad). Foo 10:05, 22 January 2007 (CST)


 * I have opened all but the last one both times and dropped 1 gem - but you do get 20k in gold from them all in total so not bad!--Sutekh et Baal 13:15, 22 January 2007 (CST)

Both the Do Not Touches dropped R9 Perfect Max Damage Portal Staffs for me so Do Not Touches may be worth moreEloc jcg 02:05, 16 February 2007 (CST)

I have opened at least one chest in all the areas...NEVER got even a purple item, much less a gold. Seldom got more than a few gold out of the chests. ALSO, neither DNT dropped anything. So ... unless the last few chests are REALLY awesome, seems very doubtful will get even close to 20k out of the remaining few chests.71.211.17.237 23:58, 17 February 2007 (CST)
 * The chat log doesn't report the rare (or gem) dropping, but it will always fall out and land on the ground like from a chest (ie. the same spinning animation). Therefore it sounds to me like they did drop, but you didn't notice them and so failed to pick them up (I did this once early on as well). RossMM 20:10, 18 February 2007 (CST)

Made an edit of the elite skills map by Elminster (because it included Nightfallen Areas) and turned it into a Treasure map. This one is for downloading and editing so people can check with it on their own pcs, I've included the way I personally use the map so... enjoy. Norrie 21:03, 27 March 2007 (GMT+1)

Merging the three lists into one
Is it just me or would it be much better to have one list of all treasures in the game instead of three separate lists for the three types. The different types are merely visual, the function is exactly the same. Unless anybody objects, I'll merge tomorrow. -- 08:20, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * I agree. the specific names should contain a redirection to this page. Foo 08:27, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Don't get me wrong, I don't want to merge the articles. Only the lists. The result would look something like this:

! Region !! Buried Treasure || Treasure Chest || Do Not Touch
 * Istan
 * Issnur Isles, southeast from Beknur Harbor, near the troublesome flamingos. (Map)
 * Mehtani Keys, southeast from Kodlonu Hamlet, in a shipwreck. (Map)
 * Kourna
 * Arkjok Ward, on the small island in the northeast, right next to Jurani the Merchant. (Map)
 * Jahai Bluffs, near Acolyte of Balthazar. (Map)
 * Bahdok Caverns, at the treasure trove near the southeastern corner. (Map)
 * Vabbi
 * The Mirror of Lyss, small island to the south, near Shezel Slowreaper. (Map)
 * The Hidden City of Ahdashim, near the southeastern platform. (Map)
 * Forum Highlands, near Commander Sadi-Belai. (Map)
 * The Desolation
 * The Ruptured Heart, near Shahin. (Map)
 * The Sulfurous Wastes, near Alem the Unclean, inside Temple of the Monoliths. (Map) (Not during Gate of Desolation (Mission))
 * Realm of Torment
 * Domain of Pain, near the southern edge of the River of Souls (north side of the southeastern bridge). (Map from Gate of Fear) It is advised to take the southern route as opposed to the soul bridge pictured on the map. (Alternate route)
 * Nightfallen Jahai, past the Shepherd of Dementia. (Map from Gate of Pain)
 * }
 * Design details of the table (like column width) are subject to discussion. I think we can shorten the text desciption, or get rid of it completely. The maps say more than a 1000 words. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 08:34, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Or create a sub header for each type of treasure on an article and keep the format as it pretty much is. -- Xeon 08:40, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Grrr .... edit conflict. Here's the simplified version:
 * Realm of Torment
 * Domain of Pain, near the southern edge of the River of Souls (north side of the southeastern bridge). (Map from Gate of Fear) It is advised to take the southern route as opposed to the soul bridge pictured on the map. (Alternate route)
 * Nightfallen Jahai, past the Shepherd of Dementia. (Map from Gate of Pain)
 * }
 * Design details of the table (like column width) are subject to discussion. I think we can shorten the text desciption, or get rid of it completely. The maps say more than a 1000 words. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 08:34, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Or create a sub header for each type of treasure on an article and keep the format as it pretty much is. -- Xeon 08:40, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Grrr .... edit conflict. Here's the simplified version:
 * Design details of the table (like column width) are subject to discussion. I think we can shorten the text desciption, or get rid of it completely. The maps say more than a 1000 words. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 08:34, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Or create a sub header for each type of treasure on an article and keep the format as it pretty much is. -- Xeon 08:40, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Grrr .... edit conflict. Here's the simplified version:

! Region !! Buried Treasure || Treasure Chest || Do Not Touch Domain of Pain (Map from Gate of Fear) (Map - alternate route)
 * Istan
 * Issnur Isles (Map)
 * Mehtani Keys (Map)
 * Kourna
 * Arkjok Ward (Map)
 * Jahai Bluffs (Map)
 * Bahdok Caverns (Map)
 * Vabbi
 * The Mirror of Lyss (Map)
 * The Hidden City of Ahdashim (Map)
 * Forum Highlands (Map)
 * The Desolation
 * The Ruptured Heart (Map)
 * The Sulfurous Wastes (Map)
 * Realm of Torment
 * The Desolation
 * The Ruptured Heart (Map)
 * The Sulfurous Wastes (Map)
 * Realm of Torment
 * Realm of Torment
 * Realm of Torment
 * Realm of Torment

Nightfallen Jahai (Map from Gate of Pain)
 * }
 * Simple design, clear info. Me likes. :) --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 08:46, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Beside for the lists, there is very little to say about the different kinds. I think that just like keys and chests, there should be only one article. Foo 09:21, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * Beside for the lists, there is very little to say about the different kinds. I think that just like keys and chests, there should be only one article. Foo 09:21, 22 January 2007 (CST)


 * For completeness you should also indicate somewhere in table what mobs spawn when treasure is opened (if anything). [[Image:Raxous_wiki_sig.png]]- Raxous -[[Image:Raxous_wiki_sig.png]] 10:07, 22 January 2007 (CST)


 * I like it. A single list would greatly simplify things.  The other three current articles can be converted to redirects to this one. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 13:22, 22 January 2007 (CST)


 * I agree, good job. Don't die of shock from me saying that Tetris.  ;)  --Rainith 15:26, 22 January 2007 (CST)


 * I updated the article with the compact version from above, changes articles for the three types of treasure into redirects to here, and inserted images from those articles into a gallery on this one. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:09, 26 January 2007 (CST)


 * Great idea and thanks for doing it Barek, with luck this will greatly cut down on the confusion, and the edit "ping-pong"s. --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 20:42, 26 January 2007 (CST)

"A magical force prevents you from touching the treasure."
The DNT outside of Tihark Orchard (when it spawns 4 ruby dijins) says (as above) "A magical force prevents you from touching the treasure.". If I kill them, does it give you anything else? -- B  a  r  r  a  g  e
 * Yes their drops, apart from that no, you have already used that DNT before and you are only allowed to open it once per char (not including the reset that happened recently) -- Xeon 01:29, 3 February 2007 (CST)

listing drops on weaponry articles?
I have seen a number of edits on weaponry articles where it says it can be dropped from the chest. Should we be listing these are drops? Does everything in Kourna drop from a chest located in Kourna? -- Xeon 04:16, 3 February 2007 (CST)

I managed to get a superior vigor =D

Yet another reset.
It seems that for some people the treasures are available a third time starting today. that probably means that every chest resets 1 month after the last time a character opened it. i opened them all with my warrior a third time today, my ranger cant as he opened 2 weeks ago. -- Menzies


 * Hmmm, they were rolled out around December 20th, were "reset" on January 19th, and reports coming in they available a potential "third" time just after February 20th, am getting the impression these treasure chests are available on a monthly basis (ie, you can milk em one a month), be interesting to see if this trend continues around March 19-20th. --Wolfie 03:57, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Taking note.. will check.. ;) &mdash; Corsaire  [[image:Corsaire_Signature.gif]] 04:26, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Yep, just went and tried and was able to open for a third time with my monk. Gandorf 04:53, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * I'm unable to get anything from the Jahai chest, so it seems that it must be either a time-delayed thing (I'll check again in a couple of days), or for some reason they're only reset for a few people. RossMM 08:21, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * I just checked the Chests in Jahai Bluff and in Arkjok Ward and both were empty for me. Alesain 10:02, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Empty in Jahai Bluff and Isnurr Isles.. I'll check in a few days to know if it's reseted on regular date or if there is a timer for each character.. &mdash; Corsaire  [[image:Corsaire_Signature.gif]] 11:24, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Could be they are reset one month after you open them? I dunno, I'll have to start noting when exactly I open them I guess.  --Rainith 12:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Yea, that's what Menzies said in the topic header. ^^ I'd like to know for certain though. Alesain 12:34, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * No luck for me either, checked two treasure chests with a charcter that had opened twice already (ie, once before and after the Jan 19th reset), but this time, got the "already opened" messages, so the one month or (x) days after you open idea is looking the more likely. Same as Rainith, will start noting date / time when successful able to open one, if others do the same, we might hopefully over time be able to start to see a pattern (if there is one :D) --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 18:23, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Opened all chests, nothing in them. Also, I heard they reset monthly. Mrguildboi 19:11, 21 February 2007 (CST)

reseting indet I just checked the one in Nightfallen Jahai, it had reset for that char and I specifically remember opening it as soon as it was available the first time and as soon as it was reset the second time, so it might very well be a one month timer per chest per character. --Theeth (talk)   20:18, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * I've opened them all over again for the 3rd time, although I did notice this time around than purples are dropping. On none of my previous runs to open the chests, all were golds.--&mdash;  xis10al  [[Image:Xis10al_sig_icon.jpg]] 21:53, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Yeah, I had some pretty crap drops too (clean req 11 Steel Daggers with higher salvage inscription, wow!). Gold amount seems to be the same though. --Theeth (talk)   22:32, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Another reset? I know what ill do the whole next night... ^^

Purples??? WTF? I thought it was either golds or a gem. Hmmm. 132.203.83.38 22:41, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Alright now i can open them with another character of mine. i clearly remember back in january that when i found out they were available to be opened again i loaded a running build and rushed them all with my warrior, then waited a couple of days to open with ritualist and mesmer. Now chests are available a third time for my mesmer aswell. the monthly theory gains consistency Menzies 02:38, 22 February 2007 (CST)
 * A treasure that I had opened the week before Canthan New Year is still marked 'used' now, so it must have been reset before then. &mdash; [[Image:Fin_sig.gif|User:Kyrasantae]] kyrasantae  05:39, 22 February 2007 (CST)
 * Or the month-long timer is per chest.--Theeth (talk)   07:23, 22 February 2007 (CST)
 * You'd think whoever is burying their treasure there would stop after it gets stolen a few times. --Macros 07:44, 22 February 2007 (CST)
 * XD Foo 10:08, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Theory gets hit - i was able to open with my mesmer (last to open 2nd round), but not with warrior abd ranger who i remeber being 1st ones to open chests after reset (cahracter with running builds got to be 1st to open in case reset was "fixed" and they were able to get to chests fastest :) ), dont think that there is really per char or per chest timer ...  Theorycould be that once all character opened everything, one random of them gets reset, after it is done opening them all, another random character on account gets reset (but delayed by few days). That would make sense - same incone no matter how many characters you have, "ballanced" Grima.worm@seznam.cz 08:55, 23 February 2007 (CST)

3rd reset - purples
It seems that chance of purple from chest after 3rd reset is proportional to amout of chests opened:

my data (character after 3rd reset, opened all chests two times already):

g - gold p -purple

1-g, 2-g, 3-g, 4-p, 5-g, 6-g, 7-p, 8-g, 9-p, 10-p, 11-p, 12-p

similary, gold amout also seems to be proportional to amount of chests opened, Domain of Pain chest opened last netted 1,739 gold, Nightfallen Jahai opened before last netted 1,878 gold, instead of their previous.

anyone else care to add their purple/gold ratio? Grima.worm@seznam.cz 10:31, 23 February 2007 (CST)


 * Another character: 1-g, 2-g, 3-p, 4-g, 5-g, 6-p, 7-g, 8-p, 9-g, 10-p, 11-p, 12-g this set looks less convincing, but there are more purples in later part Grima.worm@seznam.cz 12:26, 23 February 2007 (CST)


 * My ranger, who opened all the chests twice before definitely got less gold upon the 3rd run. This time I did them all together with a guildie who had not opened any of the chests before and at every chest he got at least 10% more gold than me. Also I got noticeably more purple items this time (1-p, 2-p, 3-p, 4-p, 5-g, 6-p, 7-g, 8-g, 9-p, 10-g, 11-g, 12-g), whereas he got only gold ones. So yes I'd say there is definitely a decrease in the amount of money and golds over time. Will have to wait another month to see exactly how much though. Liselle Morrow 07:49, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

First, I've opened all chests with my monk for 3rd time for him - 3 purples/less gold (so far in last two times I was getting golds only and "normal" amount of gold - normal = over 3k in torment). Then I switched to my warrior (never opened any treasure chest with him) - all golds and "normal" amount of gold. Next was necro (his 3rd time to be) - no drops from chest. Next was mesmer (again 3rd time) - 4 purples and again less gold. I think that my example shows that game records how many times specific character opened treasure chests... Rafal 12:56, 23 February 2007 (CST)


 * Seems like this is true, but would love this tested with character that only opened chests only once or even never before. Another character was avaiable (as with others, opened chests two times already) and this time started with torment chests and worked backwards towards newbie chests, torment chests gave normal amout of gold (3k+), but newbie ones that i opened last gave only ~1/2 of what they usually give (~300 gold each), here is sequence: g, g, g, p, g, p, g, g, p, p, p, p - sems like definitive shift towards purples for last ones Grima.worm@seznam.cz 02:55, 24 February 2007 (CST)


 * 1st and 2nd time through were all gold items, but 3rd time through had more purples the more treasures I opened. Added a not recommend opening high-end treasures first, can't hurt to warn people until the dust settles down on that one :) 83.159.9.78 12:12, 25 February 2007 (CST)

Gaile Gray confirmed that the chest reset for every player/char diffrent after a top secret formular (2/23/07)--Krushak 09:28, 24 February 2007 (CST)
 * Anyone got a link for this confirmation? Maybe useful to include with the article. --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 21:17, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

I have not opened any on any character, at any time. So how would you like me to gater them?Cyrogenic 12:52, 24 February 2007 (CST)

I've deleted the note about later chests giving purples, because there doesn't seem to be any evidence to support it. A couple of reports that seemd to be slightly biased toward purples (out of who knows how many that weren't) mean nothing; the sample size is far too small for anything statistically meaningful. For the record, I just ran through them with my main character for the 3rd time, and got g,g,p,g,g,g,j,j,g,g,j,p (j=jewel), so if I was inclined to draw any conclusions from very insufficient data, I'd say later chests were clearly biased toward jewels. More realistically, I see no reason to think it's anything other than completely random. Copperthorn 02:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Tested with 2 characters (opening for second time, completely missed their first appearance), full runs both times. 1st run yielded 7g, 3p, 2j. 2nd run yielded 5g, 6p, 1j. Was unable to go on with other chars due to repetitious err40s.fR0z3n.S0u1 20:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Top Secret Formula?
It now appears that chests reset per-character on a cycle Anet does not care to divulge. From my own experience I suspect that it's as simple as 30 days (or thereabouts) from the last time that particular character opened a treasure -- whether of that type (treasure chest, dig here, or do not touch) or not matters, I've no clue. I base this on the fact that my Tyrian characters, all of whom opened the chest and dig here in Istani the last time they reset and have done nothing since, were able to once again open those on 2/21, whereas my Elonian characters, who have opened numerous treasures since the last reset can not. Granted, that's hardly definitive, but it's the best I've got.

Anyone have confirming or contradicting theories or experiences? -- 127.0.0.0
 * I think it resets monthly. The first reset was at January 19th. And people starting to find out they were reset on February 19th.


 * It is not strictly a month for resets, as my very active main character has been unable to open any treasures for a while now. (more than a month, closer to two)

All my chars with access only to Istan chests have had theirs reset but my character who opened them all in Elona (She opened them first too) hasnt reset. It may have a formula that considers how many chests they have access to (unlocked before) to determine how long it is til reset. --Atroso 20:45, 24 February 2007 (CST)

In the Gaile chat for the 23rd, she mentioned the fact that the chests do reset. They reset at different rates per character, and it is a secret formula that only the devs know. She said that it would be wise for the players try the high-end chests first, if it appears that they have been opened. Perhaps the values dimminish per chest? Moiax 23:52, 24 February 2007 (CST)
 * Yes, I think it is that because after opening a chest, your chances of getting quality drops from the rest drastically decline. Atma 00:32, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Dont think its montly, from couple of my characters some got acces month after reset, some didnt. Other theory was that chests reset eveytime month displayed by /age command changes ... but its not that case either. 147.228.209.168 08:01, 25 February 2007 (CST)

From my experience, the "Top Secret Formula" takes into account how many chests the character opened last time/has access too in determining the respawn on them. I had 3 Characters that can only access the 2 on Istani and the first 2 on the Mainland and all 3 of them have had their chests respawned a 3rd time (and on the first day it happened), while my 1 character that has access to all the chests has not had them respawned a 3rd time yet, last reset I opened on all characters the same day. - Former Ruling 14:55, 26 February 2007 (CST)


 * Well, for my personal experience, the day of the last reset, I ran my War, Paragon and Ranger through about 5-6 of the chests. Now, even more than a month since the last reset, I still can't open the two chests I've tried with my warrior. Craw   15:07, 26 February 2007 (CST)


 * Not really working: my necro and rager had opened same amount of chets (all) as other characters (P, E ...), but 1/2 of them didnt get reset. Similary, my assassin could not open chests (opened 4 before) yet dervish and Rt who opened 4 before could reopen them. Grima.worm@seznam.cz 08:41, 27 February 2007 (CST)

My Charakter which opened Chests 8 at first, 12 at second time could not open chests 'til now. Another Person in Guild told me that he could open all Chests 3 times 12/12/12. It does not seem to depent on online time, both me and that other person use their main charakter for opening (almost full time playing this charakter). Only difference is that my character opened more "normal" chests than other (114 vs. 40). Could be one parameter in formula how many high-level chests are opened. 212.80.224.243 14:07, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Just to add what little I know about the resets. I opened them all on my warrior the day the chests were implemented. 30 Days later, January 19th, I was able to open them all again. Just today I read that chests were "reset" once again, so I got on to check and sure enough, they were re-openable. I think the 30-days from last opening them makes sense, but I was not around GW that much in february. If I remember, I will check on april 7th to see if I can open them once again.(which is 30 days after today) --Mwpeck 14:56, 8 March 2007 (CST)

I think it has absolutely nothing to do with 30 days, that was just the time that the first reset happened, I suspect the changed it from a one-off, to a formula on that day. Since the first reset, nearly 2 months ago, all chests still remain empty for my main (Prophesies) character. 62.190.230.92 14:23, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Just before the first reset my Paragon got the chest in Jahai Bluffs, and then after it he got it again. However even after all this time he is still unable to open that chest for a third time, so I'm inclined to believe that each chest does not reset after 30days. It may be that he opened other chests a week or two later and so the timer has not yet reset, but I'd be surprised if this was the case. RossMM 21:05, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Ok, here I am, 30 days after me last post, 30 days ago, I opened 30 chests on my warrior, today, I tried again, and the chests I opened before, could NOT be opened agian. So either 30 days is wrong, or you must open all of the chests before any of them reset. --Mwpeck 15:46, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

Refills Restricted to Elonian Chars?
I saw this in the main article, but is this really true? I coudn't tell from the discussion here. Swordfish56 10:45, 4 March 2007 (CST)
 * In my experience, resets are definitely not limted to Elonian characters. — HarshLanguage [[Image:qswearing_small.png|HarshLanguage]] 22:17, 4 March 2007 (CST)
 * I opened them with my Prophecies Warrior again just the other day. 132.203.83.38 22:30, 4 March 2007 (CST)
 * Agreed, I've opened them three times now with my Prophecies character, though the level of drops has begun to drop with this third opening with the appearance of purple items.--&mdash; xis10al  [[Image:Xis10al_sig_icon.jpg]] 04:41, 5 March 2007 (CST)
 * Confirmed, 3rd reset worked so far ONLY for my Prophecies characters... =\ 212.33.248.19 05:55, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * same here, on my third opening, i got several purples and small amounts of gold. so i assume it decreases the more u open them --Thefez 23:39, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * So in other words, the more times you raid the cookie jar, eventually you'll be left with nothing but crumbs. :) --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 21:17, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Just like that... a shame though. fR0z3n.S0u1 10:50, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Got each chest 3 times on a Prophecies character(warrior) a Canthan character(assassin) and an Elonian character(ranger). Lots of free st00f!

Another opening theory
It's based on amount of gameplay - the less you play character the earlier you get refill - character that got all three refills were rarely played in moth that followed 2nd opening (mesmer, paragon, elementalist) while chars that didnt get refill had quite amount of gameplay (necro, warrior, assassin...), in fact my main didnt get third refill yet.

It woudl actually make sense - hardcores with tons of gameplay time dont really need those freebies, but casuals with little gameplay time greatly benefit from them (assuming they learn about em) Grima.worm@seznam.cz 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

I'd disagree with this theory, I've opened them 3 times now with my primary play character.--&mdash; xis10al   18:49, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Same, if anything I would say its the opposite, my most used char (my monk) has been able to open them 3 times, all other chars are still at 2 except my Elementalist and Warrior. Those 2 chars are the 2nd and 3rd most used chars of mine. -- Saranis   (talk | contribs) 16:15, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

I dont think in-game time has much, if anything to do with it. Unless its based off the total time you have been on that character. After the 2nd opening(first reset) on my warrior, I barely played GW at all, at most I would do some UW runs on my ele. I was able to open them yet again on my warrior, though he wasnt played for more then an hour in an entire month. --Mwpeck 20:58, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

I still can't open the chests a third time and it's been a month with all my characters.....but I have only finished Nightfall's story with 1 character. Is it possible that the number of times you finish the storyline with different characters has some impact? Someday I will finish the storyline with a second character and see if the chests magically open then because it's been more than 30 days already. --RedFeather 10:21, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I dont think that the amount of times you have finished NF has anything to do with it. When my Elementalist finished it the chests remained locked for all chars and are still locked to this day. My elementalist has been able to open the chests a third time but she was able to do so before completing the campaign. -- Saranis [[Image:User-Saranis Green Dot.jpg]]  (talk | contribs) 23:32, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I first opened all Treasures with my Tyrian Warrior, then systematically opened them all with my other nine chars (mixed continents) as and when I got to the appropriate stage of the game. After the first Reset I opened all Treasure again with all 10 chars within the space of 1 full weekend (Not sure of timing, wasn't logging open dates). Since the 2nd reset I've been using my Warrior to check the Treasure sporadically during the last month - they've all appeared empty each time. I then heard they maybe set to reset every month, so I tried again with my Warrior to no avail. After continuing to hear that others had opened a 3rd time, I took another of my chracaters to test, and it had been reset for that character (Canthan Assassin), it had also been reset for the other 8 remaining characters (Canthan, Tyrian, Elonian mix). My Warrior, who opened the chests the first two times first still hasn't had a 3rd reset. I'm therefor putting it forward that the treasures will reset every XX amount of days if you "Do Not Touch" them... I've logged the opens on my chars after the 2nd reset and will test my theory when I come to open them the 4th time. Genesis 13:33, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Backing this one up. I had the exact same phenomenon: I used my warrior to test at least once a day to see if the chests were unlocked, and for a week, had no success.  Tried with ranger, it worked.  Tried with paragon, it worked. Craw   08:26, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 'Do Not Touch' them thingie makes sense (for me, at least). I've been checking with two characters periodically and neither one got a chest reset in far more than a month. A character who opened chests AFTER these two got his reset in like 40 days (did not manage to check sooner). 89.20.107.202 06:53, 27 March 2007 (CDT) Forgot to sign fR0z3n.S0u1 06:54, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok, it's been a Calendar Month, I last opened/attempted to open all chests across 10 characters. My Warrior has checked the chests, periodically, usually once a week, he still hasn't had a reset. SO that's 2 months without a rest, and he's been checking constantly. Next is my Ranger, exactly a month later April 15 (last opened March 15), they are reset, he hasn't checked them periodically. I'm in the middle of the opening and logging process right now, so I'll have more data soon. I'm also going to test another theory, but this is about the quality of the loot, My Ranger's drops were all Purple, and the Gold quantity has been quite low... I think I'll leave 3 of my chars off the checklist for +1 week each (wait 1 week on 1, 2 weeks on the 2nd, 3 weeks on the third). I'm thinking maybe the longer you "Do Not Touch" the Treasure the higher the quality of drop and loot. The name of the "Do Not Touch", may well be a hint at the formula from ANet. More soon. Genesis 08:38, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

My Treasure Chests Were Not Reset on 3/16/07
I did not have my chest reset on March 16th! Did anyone else have theirs reset? My experiences still agree with Genesis! Jack Bourbon Scotch 18:06, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Agreed, there seems to be no 'server' wide reset on chests from march 16th, i am still encountering some empty chests - please remove note from article that suggests this MissyP 20:10, 24 March 2007 (CDT)


 * I think the confusion is that after the treasure was introduced, a patch roughly a month later was assumed to have reset them the first time folks noticed they were reset. Now we know know that there's a secret per-character reset formula with a cycle around 30 days (varies a bit according to unknown variables). If you check the patch dates, the pattern is pretty clear - patches on the 20th, 16th, and 19th were thought to have reset the treasures, which were introduced in the Dec. 20th patch. The patch timing is probably mere coincidence, and the resets have all been according to the formula. — HarshLanguage [[Image:qswearing_small.png|HarshLanguage]] 03:54, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Ah, I forgot to mention that I have no proof that the patches didn't reset the chests, so I'm not 100% comfortable simply removing the patch list from the Notes. — HarshLanguage [[Image:qswearing_small.png|HarshLanguage]] 03:56, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

But we DO have proof, because we have two players (myself included) who did NOT get the reset, meaning that either we both are experiencing a bug or there simply is no patch-reset, the latter which seems highly likely to me.

I edited the note with a reference back to the appropriate section of the Talk page explaining that the Treasures do reset, but that the exact interval or conditions at this time are unknown. Glamtre 01:39, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

I think the resets only occur after a MAJOR update. Like that last skills balance. The chests were reset then. --BeeD 22:26, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

I did neither get chest reset, whenever i try to open a treasure it says its empty. in this case its my main char (ranger) which have opened all the chests once, it was in late january i think. I have not opened any chest with any other character. Astroxslurg 20:27, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

no gold?
Okay just opened a bunch of these. each one had an item, but none of them spit any gold pieces out. did they remove gold from the spawn lists?


 * It automatically appears in your inventory. &mdash; Skuld 10:00, 28 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Also check your chat box, it will say "You have received X platinum Y gold". The amount varies a lot. --BeeD 22:24, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

I also didn't notice the gold going would it not make sense to write this on the page for more idiots like me so we don't get worried. Please :-) ty Necromantic Biscuit 11:21, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Not 30 day resets
My necro, Elonian born, who has beat NF has opened all the chests except for the last in the RoT, opened all the chests when they were reset in the patch, and has not been able to open them since. My Ranger, Tyrian born, who is only to the rescue koss quest opened the 2 kourna quests long after my necro and just reopened them today. It does go along with the "time charcter has been played" theory because i've been playing my ranger a lot more. Eric368 18:26, 1 April 2007 (CDT)

I beliefe it involves a random generator
I believe the formula looks something like this: N(Number of drop) x C(number of Characters) x (Random number) = reset time Just a theory however. Readem (talk *contribs ) 00:16, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

More Data
I keep a log of my treasure chests, so I know when to go back on my account and my husband's account. Perhaps these data will prove useful to others.


 * Account#1-Tyrian-Monk (Playtime: Medium) - Opened 2 chests March 7 and 2 different chests on March 16; none of the 4 had reset by April 8
 * Account#1-Elonian-Mesmer (Playtime: Zero) - Opened 4 chests March 7 but no others; was able to open the same 4 chests April 8
 * Account#1-Factions-Ritualist (Playtime: Medium) - Opened ALL chests March 7; was able to open all chests again April 8; 4 in round 2 were purple
 * Account#2-Elonian-Monk (Playtime: Zero) - Opened 4 chests March 7 but no others; was able to open the same 4 chests April 8
 * Account#2-Tyrian-Elem (Playtime: Medium) - Opened 2 chests March 7 and 2 different chests on March 16; none of the 4 had reset by April 8

I have other characters in various stages of reset - since my data, at least, seem to indicate the chests reset based on the last time that specific character opened ANY chest (not just that specific chest), I think I will wait on the others before testing again. Nynn 17:41, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Between this and other comments on the page, I'd say 30 days from the last attempt to open a treasure on that character sounds most likely. Nynn, for the two characters that none of them worked on April 8, could you try the chests again on one of them on April 17, and, assuming that doesn't work, on the other on May 9? Until then, I would recommend everyone make sure to get the chests all on the same day and not try them again until at least 30 days have passed. Even if there are other variables at play, we at least know they won't reset any faster than 30 days, so it's not losing anything. 68.44.134.157 17:06, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I will do just that, that sounds like exactly the way to test it - that will answer Ieldra's question below, as well. :) Nynn 21:03, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry for the delay, the Wiki was having editing problems the night of the 17th, and I quite forgot to try again! I tested Account#1-Tyrian-Monk again on the 17th, and she is still not able to open any chests. I'll try Account#2-Tyrian-Elem on May 9th, but for now, it does look very much as if, on a per-character basis, clicking on any chest, even empty ones, resets the timer, at least after the first set. Nynn 22:50, 21 April 2007 (CDT)

Attempt
Does ATTEMPTING to open and chest and getting the empty chest message count ? Ieldra 11:04, 9 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Thats the theory ATM, i beleive. The 1337zor has spoken 21:05, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

2 Months
Its now been 2 months for my warrior, Elementalist, and monk since any of them have been able to open a Chest. I dunno what this formula is but I know it hates me. -- Saranis   (talk | contribs) 08:19, 15 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Almost 3 months for me. Jan 20 I opened the chests, and still none are available for me to open. -Sunyavadin 16:11, 15 April 2007 (BST)

Working theory so far
I've attempted to validate some of the theories presented above. Here are the results: In order to claim all of my treasure with each character, I have waited the entire month (32 days just to be sure) before attempting to open any chests. Previously, I was using my primary character to check for resets, but I have concluded that if you attempt to open any chest within the month following the last open without waiting the full month, the timer resets for an additional month (30 or 31 days not sure exactly) for that character only. Therefore, write down the exact dates you last attempted or opened a chest and wait the full month before trying again. I do not know if the time is the same for EACH chest or ALL chests meaning if you open 2 on one day and 10 on the next if you have to wait the month after the 10 or if you can open the first 2 after a month passed on those.

NOTE: The openings of chests were not all done on the same day, so the theory is character specific.


 * I'd bet my Iceberaker that this is the case. It matches the pattern I've seen where I attempted to use my war to open chests, once a week, and couldn't for almost two months.  Then I waited a month without making any attempts, and was able to open all chests, zero problem. 67.70.29.26 10:34, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I was suspecting this was true too, because a friend of mine randomly checks chests if we are in the area and they are always empty for him. - B e X or  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 01:27, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Intuitively, this seems to fit my experience of opening open chests. Foo 04:46, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

Hard mode
Does anyone have check if you can open the treasure in hard mode and in normal mode in the same month? --Crigore 09:34, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

I have the same question!--Agracul 07:49, 21 April 2007 (CDT)

I just tested it on the Jahai Bluffs chest. I went in on normal mode, and still couldnt open it (no surprise there). Then I went to the chest in hard mode, and was not able to open it. So it looks like if you open the chest on normal mode, it counts as opening it on both. --Archmage 11:05, 21 April 2007 (CDT)

On a related note, I opened the treasure chest in the Sulfurous Wastes in hard mode last night, and it dropped the normal amount - about 2 platinum, plus a gold axe (max stats, req 9, fiery, perfect defense mod, +15% damage/-10 armor while attacking inscription). I don't think hard mode gives better treasure. --KaliMagdalene 17:54, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmm... I just opened the one in the Mirror of Lyss last night and I got 3 plats for it and a gold shield (crap though). -- Ab.Er.Rant (msg Aberrant80) 22:28, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I personally feel that my drops have improved in Hard Mode from buried treasure, but the gold remains roughly the same. But the quality of the drops is a subjective assessment on my part. AOTT 12:26, 28 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Purples in hard mode. - B e X or  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 03:46, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I've gotten a few purples as well. And while the treasure chest drops from the Istani regions are better than in normal mode, they're sometimes just under maximum base stats.AOTT 11:55, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

A Theory I have
Could the reset time be related to how old your account is? I mean, the older accounts wouldnt have as much need for this money as new accounts would. Anyone have any thoughts or varrifications on this? --Archmage 11:08, 21 April 2007 (CDT)
 * My account is almost two years old, and I have never been disappointed with the amount of gold I've received. It's always been within range when comparing to the drop rate tables. -- Dashface [[Image:Dashface.png]] 03:12, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't think anet would reduce the amount of gold given to its longest playing members imo... --Spider osiris 13:43, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I agree. Who says older accounts don't need more money? Not all long-time players have been farming all this while and maxed out their storage capacity you know. -- Ab.Er.Rant (msg Aberrant80) 04:06, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Older accounts = more characters at max level. :P - B e X or  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 07:59, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I doubt that. I have an older account and only 3 of my characters is level 20.  I just don't play the other characters as much.  I know newer account owners that have more level 20's than this by far. --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  13:22, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I mean that an account that is a month old is likely to have fewer higher level characters than one that is 2 years old. - B e X or  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 01:14, 27 April 2007 (CDT)