Talk:Artisan list

hello Guildwiki,

you may use any pic or info I created a long time ago on this topic from http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10318. I think mostly the little screenshots could improve the article, I think you got the info allready.

kind regards,

Makkert

Servants of Fortuna


 * Cheers Makkert! Infact your thread on GWGuru was one of the sources of information that I used to verify the artisan list. Great work! We might use the maps to show the locations. A map is always clearer than a word description.
 * Oh, and by the way: You'd be most welcome to do add any missing info yourself. You know GuildWiki is open for all contributors. --Tetris L 06:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

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Tell me, why do we have this article, when there already is a list of Rare Crafting Material Traders? I agree though that the article name is arguable. :) --84.175.77.57 00:09, 20 Jul 2005 (EST)
 * Artisans are crafters, not traders. Two different things. --Tetris L 15:27, 26 Sep 2005 (EST)

What about Etham the Artisan in Nebo Village. Is he actually an artisan like the name implies? --Tetris L 15:27, 26 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Yes, he is. Like Captain Greywind and Osric, you can choose in the dialog to see his trade instead of talking about quests. He is not on the list?! Sacre bleu!! :) --Karlos 17:05, 26 Sep 2005 (EST)

May I suggest that we change the page to a table format for better overview, as follows:

* ) click artisan name for location details

This table is mainly as an overview for material availability. I would create the individual artisan pages for details information about the location of each artisan. --Tetris L 01:34, 5 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I like this very much. --Karlos 08:54, 5 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * Okay, since nobody objects, I'll go ahead. --Tetris L 01:58, 7 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Is this in (usual) order that a PvE player will encounter them? -- Serps 15:58, 7 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Good point. I think they should be sorted by the game storyline order.. i.e. Ascalon, Northern Shiverpeaks, Northern Kryta, Maguuma, Southern Kryta, Desert, Southern Shiverpeaks and Ring of Fire. --Karlos 16:37, 7 Oct 2005 (EST)

Hey Tetris L, you want to add Artisan Sivan to the list? I would but I don't want to screw up your chart. :) --Rainith 18:22, 16 October 2005 (EST)
 * Done. --Tetris L 06:44, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Deldrimor Steel
So, there is not a single crafter for D. Steel in Factions or NF? O_O RoseOfKali 17:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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I wanted them, but they add 10px to every line. Sigh. -- ◄mendel► 11:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The are wider than the standard line height at this size. For square cells, we'd need a slightly smaller image for the materials. FWIW, that's probably true of most images that we use inline; they're slightly too big to keep paragraphs/tables looking neat and tidy. Of prof, steel, and gold icons, only  preserves the line height for standard text size. And most are more than 1 em wide and many space oddly inline. :-/

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 * &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tennessee Ernie Ford (contribs).
 * Dr Ishmael and I had a discussion on the size of the materials icons, and they were sized to be both recognizable and compatible with table row heights. -- ◄mendel► 17:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

merge request
I disagree with full merge, but an inclusion as Artisan/List might be good. RoseOfKali 19:08, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * MERGE. Needs to be fully merged. I am so sick of having to click on a material, click on artisan, and then click on artisan list. I just want to click on artisan and be able to check.--Darksyde  05:31, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Imo, we should list which artisans craft a material on the material's page. Why do we not, anyways? Maybe even give the (arguably) easiest to reach artisan on the page itself. That way, people who search for a material (which is the most sensible thing to do) can instantly see which artisans can help them out, rather than having to either go to the Artisan page, or know that they should actually just look for the Artisan list page. --Vipermagi 08:41, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think the pages ought to be merged necessarily, but we can should make the navigation a lot easier anyhow. We should be able to set things up so that the table is built-up from bits on the individual artisan's page...and that same info can be transcluded to each of the mat's page. IMO, merging the list and the description of Artisans ends up with a messy article.


 * So, I agree the current system is bad. However, I think we have better alternatives to merge to solve the issues. &mdash;Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 10:08, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree. I don't think the merged article would be all that messy, and in any case we already have quite a few articles that are much worse than that would be.  The only messiness I can see would be all the gray all over the place (which I've always thought was ugly anyway).
 * "so that the table is built-up from bits on the individual artisan's page" That might be possible with SMW, but not with normal transclusion, unless you're going to display a full row from this table on the artisan's page (which would be overkill, you only need to list what they do craft, not what they don't).  Even with SMW, it would be a lot of work to set up.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:04, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * I find the current version harder to read than the last one. Maybe the gray background was ugly, but it set aside headers from data, campaign from campaign. Consequently, I would prefer we revert it and, if necessary, change the background colors used to do that.


 * Re: building up this chart. I'm not sure why that would be any harder than what we do for lists of skills, where we build up each row in a table from data in a skills template. I'll try to make time to setup a mock-up in my user space. &mdash;Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 15:30, August 31, 2010 (UTC)