GuildWiki talk:Requests for adminship/Warwick (3)


 * You want to stop this RFA? RT 18:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, this was an old one reopened. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 18:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You screwed it up... your supposted to start a new page RT 18:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, since its my first RfA. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 18:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW I do more guildwiki than wikipedia, wikipedia's just sometimes on the side when Gwiki is slow RT 21:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Moved it to a new page, as the first one is archived and needs to be left in the archive.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  23:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Notes from buraucrat
1) You can never have too many admins.

2) Editcounts and total worth time on the Wiki is always nice to have, but those are not the only measures that are looked at. Remember: a sysop is basically the same as any old user, they just have new tools. Warwick is right when he says: don't judge solely on age, personality, etc. Think about how he would handle the added responsibility. Would he do good with his new powers? Does he need those powers? Is there fear of abuse? Etc.

3) I'm a bcrat so I can sysop and desysop at will. Don't worry if Warwick's sister/brother/whatever come and mess things up; even if they ban a bunch of people, delete stuff, etc. I can fix it soon enough. Can't imagine any real permanent harm.

4) This whole shared account crap is rather ridiculous. I am skeptical myself and more than a bit upset with the supposed brother, since it has caused problems on more than just a personal scale. However, please do try to remain civil and follow GW:NPA as well as GW:AGF.

5) Don't rectroactively throw all of Warwick's actions into doubt; before any of this crap started to happen, did anyone suspect or accuse Warwick of account sharing, as the cause of any bad (or good) behavior? No, we stuck it to him. Warwick alone was responsible for the account's actions. If you ever valued Warwick as a contributor or friend, then keep that past history solid. It does him offense to do otherwise.

6) Finally, I would like to note that while I am not inclined to sysop Warwick at this time - the community seems to be completely non-supportive at the moment - I do think that the sole cause of dissent at the moment is the shared account. I don't think anyone else truly dislikes or distrusts Warwick past that. You can not deny his enthusiasm for GuildWiki, misplaced as it sometimes is; you can not deny that he is quite active, although it is sometimes trivial; you can not deny that he knows the ways of the wiki and fights vandalism, as we all do. There are definite good and bad qualities but I think the present fiasco is overshadowing all the good parts. I could see Warwick as a sysop in the future.

(T/C) 08:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * She, entropy. She. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 15:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Warw's getting Opposes because of the recent drama, mainly. If the dust had settled a bit, and there wouldn't have been such confusion, you'd get more Supoorts, I think. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 15:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I did ask people not to make their vote on the drama recently, but I suppose the speech was too boring and long for anyone (Except probably Jedi) to read through. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 15:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I read it.. if that counts for anything. -- Brains12 \ Talk 15:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I read through it, but not too thorough, when you created the page. I honestly cannot decide atm. RLTM bugging me, the recent drama around you... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 16:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Recent drama around me = Bad. But it actually had nothing to do with me, and I'm the only person using this account at the moment. The problem is, No-one believes that. And brains, Well that makes it all worthwhile =P. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 16:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, at best we can give you another chance. But this means that both negative and positive contributions need to be wiped from you record. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 16:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesnt mean you have to. You could take my word that 99-100% of all negative contributions (Actually, 99% - I accidently wiped a page and replaced it with the cat) were of my brother. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 16:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is that there is no way we can be certain that's true. That's why I'm suggesting a completely clean record for you. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 16:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem being you can't wipe my contribs, or my editcount. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 16:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant it as a figure of typing. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 16:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Accualy, if I were to go around deleting every page Warw has ever editing, and then restoring without his edits, I would wipe his contribs. IMO it was the wrong time to put an RFA though, I'd have waitied until it had settled a little. R</B>T</B> 20:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Regardless
When people say they couldn't trust it because my brother may get access to it, so what? He's never vandalised anything:- Check my contribs. Even if I hadn't split the account with him, he wouldn't have vandalised, and the history of the account's contributions shows that. So as far as I can gauge, what you're saying is that either:
 * 1) If given the power I would vandalise
 * 2) If given the power my brother would vandalise (Null- cache clears every log-out of aol, so I have to log in every time, and now that I've change password thats no problem from him being able to access it).
 * 3) Somthing else which I havn't thought of
 * 4) You're sheerly disagreeing because of the Mafia incident
 * So which is it? --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 19:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking as an "outsider" with no opinion on the Mafia issue, I think the main problem is that people can't trust you because you share an account. If you want an admin, you want to trust him, you don't want to be thinking whether he might be Person A or Person B, you want just that one person who was actually promoted to admin. Obviously, if you have changed your password so only you can access it, that's all well and good - but the trust still isn't there. I'm guessing that could be part of the reason for some of the oppose votes. -- Brains12 \ Talk 19:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't like the "which one's the admin?" idea, but at the same time, I think both of them would be fair admins one way or another; I can't say for sure which is which, but there's not been a serious problem ever so far, so I would say the number of people on the account doesn't matter much in this case. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  20:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What I can't understand is why people hide their dislike behind walls of "If we gave you admin powers you'd vandalise" "We cant trust your brother" and dont just say "I SAYZ NOES BCUZ UR BRO SAYZD DAT SCREWD UP SHADOWZ MAVIA GAMEZ!"... Obviously, not like that, but you get the point. If it was like that, GW:AGF... --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am, and once this silly feud has been behind us I may consider supporting you, but atm I don't feel that you are likely to get adminship R</B>T</B> 20:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I SAYZ NOES BCUZ UR BRO SAYZD DAT SCREWD UP SHADOWZ MAVIA GAMEZ

Off-topic: IS THERE A GODDAMN POLICY FOR EVERYTHING IN THIS JOINT!? <font color="Purple">Yikey <font color="Green">∞  20:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Its probable, but at least we're not GWW. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * .....-- Brains12 \ Talk 20:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:WP:SNOW anyone? R</B>T</B> 20:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's true, Brains. "Excuse me, your image "Haunter" must be uploaded as "User:Yikey/Haunter".
 * But I'm not his owner. *uploads under Trainer Ash/Haunter* *warned* <font color="Purple">Yikey <font color="Green">∞  20:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And RT, I'm just tired of everyone hiding their true motives. Its irritating, and an insult to me. If you actually think that I'd vandalise if I got admin powers, that is A) breaking GW:AGF and B) a insult to me. If you dont like me, and thats the reason that you've opposed, just say so.. Oh, and sorry Brains. We here in Gwiki like to pretend we hate GWW =P --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate that policy, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it R</B>T</B> 20:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against warwick, I have something against account sharing R</B>T</B> 20:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is somthing which is no longer happening. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll believe that. However, the ultimate question remains. Why do you think you need to be an admin? --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Imo, because she can, and has the capabilities. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What? =P, sorry viper but what? Anyway, Org- I think that you need decent "Crime Fighting Skeelz" (ref=Viper), Decent wiki contribution (Which I think I have), activity on the 'wiki (Which I think I have), and experience (Which I think I have). --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if it is no longer happening, it happened recently, very recently R</B>T</B> 20:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you'd make a good admin, but I feel that we already have plenty of admins. The vandalism problem isn't as big as it used to be, and if we add more admins I'm getting the feeling that this is a constant plagued wiki. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As Entropy said above, "You can never have too many admins". --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but perhaps we have enough. If you have too many admins people won't know who to go to anymore, Y'know. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We have 4(I think) American Admins, and 2 European. I'm european. As I said in my RfA, Viper has his other games, and RT has his other games + normal WP. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I dont see the difference between me playing a lot of GW, and me playing a lot of Diablo II. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Difference is playing a lot of =/= playing a lot of GuildWiki. --<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  20:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is what I don't get, I don't think my editing time has decreced since I played EQ2, also I don't edit WikiPedia that much, so I don't see your point R</B>T</B> 20:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm hardly playing GW at the moment, yet I still have plenty of time to pop onto the wiki. It doesn't matter if someone plays another game, really. Oh, and making other admins look lazy isn't a good thing. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I dont know =P. I dont see a lot of edits from you, viper, then when theres vandalism, *POW*, you charge in, massacre the vandals, then run off again =P. Its like you have some Extra-Sensory thing in your head to tell you when vandals are on the wiki. What was that above, btw, with the "She has the capabilities" above? RT, it doesnt make much difference, but it DOES decrease your time on the wiki. And Org, im not..--[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but you are making claims that Viper and RT spend less time on the wiki which is not necessarily true. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It accualy increases my wikitime, I can edit using the EQ2 in game browser - meaning that when I'm accualy playing I sometimes pop into the wiki. R</B>T</B> 20:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm making claims that viper and RT spend less time on the wiki then I do- Whenever I'm online I have the 'wiki open. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Me to... <B>R</B><B>T</B> 20:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't not have Wiki open. I don't edit much, but I lurk RC. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)I think that goes for a lot of people. The keeping wiki open part I mean. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Btw, Capabilities = stuff liek activity, wiki knowledge and the likes --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I mean I'm actually on the wiki- I have 3 computers =P. and viper, I know, but were you saying that to me? --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Quote: "Why do you think you need to be an admin?" Well, I gave my opinion on that. Albeit reallyfrikkenshort ;) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Were you answering for me, or giving your opinion? =P. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but because she can isn't really a good reason now is it? ;)--[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll quote myself on this: "Well, I gave my opinion on that". So, basically, I just gave my opinion on a question that wasn't directed at me or smthing... Idk. And "because she can" is a reference to "meep, meep, because I can". Readem, iirc said that --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This page is reaching archive time.. ;-; --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * At least it isn't filled with mindless spam. Oh, and Viper, I just don't think that simply because Readem said it it becomes a credible argument. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I didnt mean to imply that. It was just a random quote thrown into the discussion. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I dont think you've seen much of the mostal side of me. Aka, missing my spam contribs which were actually useful. I edited about 1000 articles in the space of around 30 mins~ and none of it was spam.. I've been reverting any vandalism that I've seen. And I also think that your view of me has been inflicted with dislike.. Viper, so do you think that I'd make a good admin, or was the whole thing just a random quote? O_o.. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC) --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually I'm pretty neutral in my opinion towards you. However, every healthy discussion has both supportive and opposing arguments in it. -- 21:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * aha, so you're neutrally opposing me? ;). --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Lazyness
Yeah, I think you make a good admin. --- -- (s)talkpage 21:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest, thats surprising, because on all of the others (Which I suppose may have been because they were posted by my brother) you voted /nosupport. Or were you just too lazy to vote support? --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I suppose I can blame that on my lazyness. It actually was because I don't like to vote soon, and hop 3 times later on and shizl. I think --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You should probably let this RfA die and try again in a few months, Warwick. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * O_o.. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Again?--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No thanks =P. I've already had a telling-off from Entropy for the amount of RfA's that have come out of this account --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I said no such thing and I could care less about how many times someone tries for adminship (within reason, and yours is sound). "This is getting out of hand" means that "I think this whole issue (encompassing everything; not just RfA) is getting too much attention." In other words, I like it that you have been doing a lot more meaningful stuff lately (spam, userpage editing, talkpage commenting, etc. are not very productive compared to mainspace edits, usually). But I think that your defensive stance, while understandable, is not helping to resolve the situation. Try and rise above. The truth will prevail eventually, and concentrating on being helpful is the best way to improve trust right now. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts
Alright, I'll say what's on my mind. I've known Warwick for quite some time, both ingame and on the wiki and I'd say that he's an okay guy, except for the fact that he's a she. With all the stuff with Warwicks brother (who I probably spoke to a lot ingame and thought I was the real Warwick - May, was it?) I didn't know who was who. The 'other' Warwick tends to lie a lot, or make stuff up and after some time I couldn't tell the truth from made-up stories. Now the 'other' Warwick appears to be gone and I think everyone should be given a second chance. But everything that happened keeps bothering me and I hope you understand, Warwick. To just say 'OK so your brother is gone from the wiki so I can trust you 100% now' - that's something I won't easily do. I'm quite a sceptical person actually so I don't take everything for granted.

On the other side I didn't know if you'd be that good an admin - but then again how good did I know you? I only knew your brother it seems. You are really active and really work for the wiki, which is a good thing and something you won't see me doing, you really got the spirit. I suppose I'll change my vote to neutral, but I'll vote support if you can convince me of the fact that you deserve to be an admin. I also got the feeling you're trying too hard to be an admin... but then again you claim that your brother did it.

OK, I believe you. If we all just forget that your brother exists - how good an admin would you be? A pretty good one, I suppose. Oh, and: don't take anything bad I said of you personal, because it was probably directed at your brother. -- -- talkpage 21:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Was it you, or your brother that invited me to their guild? <B>R</B><B>T</B> 21:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have 3 brothers, which one do you mean? And I'm not in your guild :| --[[Image:Progr.jpg]] -- talkpage 21:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh wait nvm. --[[Image:Progr.jpg]] -- talkpage 21:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I dont remember inviting you myself, so it must have been my brother. And progger, I'll give you reasons tommorow- I'm off. Night all. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Gn, userpage spam? or was that your brother? <B>R</B><B>T</B> 21:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I see where you're going with this, =P. But yes, it was my brother. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I refuse to believe Warwick is a she. What next? Was Frodo really a short human and not a hobbit? *le gasp* Warwick, you are a dude in my book. Just wanted to input my 3.4 cents. Anemos 23:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I give second chances to just about everyone, including vandals, if I think they're worth it...if I truly distrusted Warwick/May then I would have just banned them awhile for sharing accounts and causing a ruckus. You know? In all honesty though, I don't think this is an issue of "second chances", because as...uh...May says above, Warwick never did anything actually wrong such as vandalize. It is more about trust and acceptance. At worst I would accuse May of poor judgment without thinking of consequences first. But we all make mistakes, and is there anything unnatural about trusting a sibling? Nah... (T/C) 02:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)