User talk:Sabardeyn

Hero Specialization Attempt
Below is a list of heros from both Nightfall and Eye of the North arranged alphabetically by name. Each hero shows the original build and an alternate build beneath where applicable.

It has become apparent that heros, just like characters, will need to focus on optimizing their build for a specific function. Runes and equipment can be exchanged - but storage space becomes a concern. By using heros in a focused manner runes and equipment can be purchased once and thereafter ignored. There will be exceptions since their are not enough heros to represent every major function that a profession can fulfill. However this does allow vital roles to be filled by specific heros while leaving others fairly generic so they can be swapped around.

By profession
A list of the available heroes by profession:


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! Profession ||colspan=2| Nightfall || Eye of the North ! || Goren || Koss || Jora !bgcolor=silver| ||bgcolor=silver| Acolyte Jin ||bgcolor=silver| Margrid the Sly ||bgcolor=silver| Pyre Fierceshot ! || Dunkoro || Tahlkora || Ogden Stonehealer !bgcolor=silver| ||bgcolor=silver| Master of Whispers ||bgcolor=silver| Olias1 ||bgcolor=silver| Livia ! || Norgu ||   || Gwen !bgcolor=silver| ||bgcolor=silver| Acolyte Sousuke ||bgcolor=silver| Zhed Shadowhoof ||bgcolor=silver| Vekk ! || Zenmai2 ||   || Anton !bgcolor=silver| ||bgcolor=silver| Razah ||bgcolor=silver|   ||bgcolor=silver| Xandra ! || General Morgahn ||   || Hayda !bgcolor=silver| ||bgcolor=silver| Melonni ||bgcolor=silver|   ||bgcolor=silver| Kahmu
 * }


 * What about hybrid builds? Monks usually don't do just one thing; Word of Healing monks bring some prot skills and Restore Condition monks bring Healing stuff like Gift. To cover all bases, you'd be best off to just put on all three runes and call it a day.
 * Interesting idea, although I don't understand the goal. Is it to save money by buying only what you need, or is it to make equipping hero builds easier because you know which ones are runed for each task? Avalance 11:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The idea, prompted by the number of heros available per profession, was to create a fairly stable hero build with regards to armor and weapons. All of the available builds and equipment combos, for players or heros, make it impossible to use more generic equipment and succeed. You need to focus around 60% of a build (skills and equipment) on a single function. Looking at the "By Profession" table it occurred to me that Anet's intent was to provide enough bodies of each profession to fulfill this need without having to completely strip and rebuild their equipment. Which would cause a major storage problem. Of course, I don't know all of the major areas of focus for each profession, so I could be wrong.
 * As for overlap and hybrids, I totally agree. The names listed so far are intended somewhat generically. So my healers are healing, de-hexing and condition removal. A protector would probably have a healing skill or two. The name represents the build's 60% focus (as mentioned in paragraph above). -- Sabardeyn 12:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So we're trying to figure out the best universal rune/insignia setup for each hero based on what they'd most likely run, given how many of each profession we're able to use? Avalance 13:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, do you have AIM? It'd be cool to talk with you real-time about this, I've got several ideas brewing. Avalance 13:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct. However, PvXWiki.com (among other sites) has a listing of builds including armor and weapons. So it's just a matter of finding which build meets your needs. While most of your heros will use the same build, sometimes this doesn't work effectively across all characters. So you test the build's skill bar, see how things go, and if you like it you start putting together the armor and equipment. Right now I'm testing out a LoD Hybrid Monk and a Holy Haste Monk build. I figure once I know what works I could put a build name into the table. As for AIM, no I don't have it. -- Sabardeyn 13:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Drat. Any instant-message programs? =P
 * I was thinking a crit scythe and crit barrage builds for the two sin heroes, as they're pretty junk at using standard teleport or attack chains. A generic Mantra of Recovery interrupt mes and a Hex Eater Vortex dom mes could be the two mes ones. Whatever works, I guess. Avalance 14:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Star of Transference
I moved your page because even if it was only a test, it should still be in your userspace, however I suggest posting a link on the Star of Transference talk page to it.--Gigathrash 08:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you're talking about as to my "userspace". Might I suggest that you read your own wiki's policy of not immediately deleting a page. And the fact that the page itself said that it was temporary, was timestamped and directed potentially confused users to the correct page.
 * You know what, the hell with it. I'm done. You guys seem to want a community but only so far as the community conforms to your requirements. I'm no longer spending hours putting stuff up and make it "just right" to have it instantly changed, moved or reverted by someone. Create, edit, delete and conform to yourselves. -- Sabardeyn 08:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He moved the page to User:Sabardeyn/Star of Transference (Sabardeyn Variant). He did not delete it. User:Sabardeyn is your userspace. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 08:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * May I point out the fact that the community reviewed and rejected your proposal, and you are the one that became huffy over it.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 08:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Alari: Where did you get the Rejected part from? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 09:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * When someone reverted his edit and then the discussion with a majority of users disagreeing on talk page.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 09:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that the community here does not dislike your style of editing. But you must understand that the talk page is there for exactly that type of discussion, and opinions are stated. If others disagree then you must live with it, your edits are considered just as valuable as everyones else's, but sometimes arguable. -- 09:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oic now. It was an anonymous edit, so I looked over it (was looking for edits by Saber). --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 09:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)