User talk:Skekzyz/Monk collector weapons redotemp

THIS IS an attempt to redo the monk collector weapons article in the style that the mesmer one currently is in Skekzyz 16:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Should've put it in userpage until ready --Gimmethegepgun 20:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Didnt know that and it's not linked to anything yet so whats the problem?? Skekzyz 04:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Breaks policy. Having "DO NOT DELETE THIS WORK IN PROGRESS" is silly; just put it in userspace. It's not that hard. It doesn't link to anything but everyone can see it from Special:Newpages and watching RC. I'd delete it if you didn't have that message, sure, but...yeah. Just for future reference. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Please explain "userspace" im just trying to contribute the best i can by trying to make all of these collector articles conform to ONE STANDARD and this shit aint easy its one big huge fuckball of a mess so help or leave my work alone plz. Skekzyz 06:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

when im satisfied with its completeness ill delete this temp page and no i dont have time to fuck around reading and conforming to all the fucking little policies here maybe thats why this site is such a fucking mess you all take the time to learn policy and to fuck with making the info right.... and if u dont like that ill just take my work to GWW and to fuck with u ppl and yer selling GW gold on yer fucking ads Skekzyz 07:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention how the hell am i supposed to get anyone help me do this sorely needed work if its in my user page??? NO ONE WILL GIVE A FUCK IF IT'S THERE!!! at least i got yer attention.... so if the work ive done here is useless to you ppl and this place then just delete it... if not HELP! Skekzyz 07:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Follow this link then. And see how long your shitty attitude is permitted there. Ensemble 07:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Jesus, calm down. >.> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Let me put it this way: I like your contributions. You've done a lot to help standardize the collector weapons tables. Yes, I know it's hard work. Yes, I know it can be frustrating. Yes, I know that practically no one gives a shit, but they'll use your hard-made content anyways when you're done. But that's the sorry truth of it...you can't make people help out if they don't know how (that would be most of us) or don't want to (people who never would glance at the page anyways). I was not trying to personally attack you, your edits, or the content of this article, since all are excellent. I'm just doing my job as an admin, trying to keep the mainspace clean. For future reference, "Mainspace" is any article that doesn't have a prefix like "Build:" (these don't exist anymore) or "GuildWiki:" (policy and stuff) in front of it. The "Userspace" is anything with "User:" in front of it.

I know that you're trying to help, and that you feel strongly about the standardization. I'm not disputing this in any way. I find such things to be very useful and sorely needed, not "useless". But please consider: You wish to standardize the articles so they all look the same and are easily accessible to everyone. Correct? Well, that is exactly what I am trying to do by bugging you about the namespace the article is in...I'm trying to standardize the mainspace articles to keep them looking the same and easily accessible to everyone. Generally, if someone is working on something new, we don't care where it ends up because other editors will eventually fix it up. However, this particular article is a copy of the Monk collector weapons article, a sort of project that would typically be done in the Sandbox or userspace since it's a clone. I know, it's a hair-splitting point, but I didn't make the policies around here.

I hear what you're saying about all our little detailed policies and how they get in the way of some honest editors' work; you're right, they can be pretty convoluted at times. And we try to administrate users, not content whenever possible. However, we are all ultimately aiming for the same goal here: standardization, ease of access, improvements to the Wiki, etc. It's important to have the raw information correct, but it's equally important to keep everything organized and uniform...both your style of standardization and mine are key here.

We're trying to help each other, not hurt each other. I wasn't aware that you were aware of how things roll around here; you saying that you'd put a Delete tag once you're done with the temporary page obviously shows a fair bit of Wiki experience. I apologize for that, and in the future I'll research user contributions before scolding negligence. You have every right to be disgruntled, since I know how you feel: you're working on some hard ass shit and now these pesky "Admins" and other snooty people come to complain about something totally irrelevant like naming policy. Who gives a shit?

I just want to make it clear that we're all trying to help here, and no one is disparaging your hard work...We all try to make meaningful contributions in whatever way we know how; for you, that's fixing the tables, and for me, that's enforcing the policies. I think this was just an unfortunate case of Wrong Place in the Wrong Time. (T/C) 08:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Basically yes, I was in a very bad mood last night, got really pissed off about the "breaks policy" and "silly" comment and started venting. I do have some understanding of how things work here but dont really understand the sandbox (never bothered to look at it) and am still not sure how to make subs under user space. Skekzyz 15:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * To put in your userspace, a page would be named . The thing is, pages such as this one that are meant to be improvements over another page or are under construction are supposed to be done in the Sandbox (which will be wiped every now and then, so you have to be careful with that) or in the userspace, and once it is finished then it will be copied to a new page or moved there and this page would be deleted if you (the user who created it) wanted it to be. Also, if in the future you want to make any pages that aren't documenting something about the game, just it's something you want, you put it in the userspace as well, or it will be moved or deleted --Gimmethegepgun 18:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I think I understand it now and such a huge project would not be a good place for the sandbox as I would really go ballistic if this got deleted from there. Skekzyz 20:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)