Forum:Guild Wars 2 trailer

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The resolution is better on youtube itself.

I officially declare the trailer epic
You can quote me on that, I withhold judgment on the game itself though. Discuss.--Łô√ë îğá†ħŕášħ 06:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It almost brings a tear to your eye, don't it? [[Image:RHSig.jpg]] rede | beiträge 09:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I cried my brains out... Why... Why must we wait sooo long! -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  10:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it was certainly kick-ass enough to drag me back onto the Wiki. Oh man, that looks cool. It's still noticeably Guild Wars, but so much more epic.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  03:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Word@Giga... and... High-Tech Asuras :o Now not even Aion can please the waiting time anymore :S *cries* --Birchwooda Treehug 11:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I got chills just from Soule's soundtrack playing the entire time. ;___; He's up there with Jesper Kyd and Umatsue.--Kajex Firedrake 12:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The asurans r beast and i read that lions arch sank?!

End of trailer


Whats up with that part on the end of the trailer. A Charr or maybe a Norn bear (Like the Savage Nornbear) that becomes a Destroyer like creature... hmm... --   † F1 ©  Talk  10:47, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Some sorta Charr-Destroyer hybrid, maybe? [[Image:RHSig.jpg]] rede | beiträge 13:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that one of the Charr Shamans finally got some recognition of there new god Primordus -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  14:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Charr Effigy, at least thats what I thought Lยкץ๒๏ץ talk  09:27, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember reading someone (Regina? I've read too many things, can't remember who said what) saying that the Charr have abandoned their false gods and Shamans, but the Shamans didn't just go away. I'm expecting to see them as some kind of antagonist force driven by Primordus, as TF1 suggested.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought it looked suspiciously like this Charr Effigy. Notice how that one is more 'Destroyer-like' than the ones in game. --Macros 00:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But Charr Effigy are made of wood (and metal) -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  15:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So? Why would that matter 250 years in the future? If that is a Charr Shaman in the picture, then it could be a Charr Effigy, since Charr Effigies are created and controlled by the Shamans. Maybe it was creating one, summoning one, or becoming one. Who knows what they've learned to do. --Macros 16:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm still for the return of the Savage Nornbear - now even stronger... Nornbear-T-2000 --Birchwooda Treehug 11:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)



It seems you get your wish Treehuger :O Fond this one in the fast moving stuff on the end. Look at the Tattoos it's Norn! --   † F1 ©  Talk  15:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That looks like concept art for the Charr in the picture just above this. Notice the "runed" arms. They're probably one of the few remaining Charr Shamans. --Macros 16:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)



Ehm wait. This one has tatoos to. But has a Charr tail :O --   † F1 ©  Talk  08:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And a rocket launcher of some sort. Guild Wars 2, Modern Warfare?--Darksyde  14:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Those 2 last pics are charr... Check out the horns, fangs, etc. And about the first pic, regina said about it that the shamans are still around. You remember Duncan the Black? My guess is that the shamans did something similar, or recieved a gift of power or something from primmy in exchange for servitude.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 17:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah the last one is Charr. But the 2e one... is chest has no hair and his tatoes a re norn like. But than again the last one also has tatoes. But I think I stay with my first opinion. Thats it is one of the Shaman Casts. And yes Shamans will always be around but more in battle situations. Thats what Guild Wars wiki 2 says any ways -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  17:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * 2nd one: Look at the fangs, look at the horns. He wears a blindfold. Also, look at this. Same tatoos, same horns, same body colour. The only thing different is that his mouth doesn't glow and that he has a helmet instead of a blindfold.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 21:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * the charr obv turns into a charr effigy, l2gws tbh DarkChaosSig.png 19:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Charr Effigys are made from wood (and metal) there is no living thing in it. And look at his arms before turning and hiss body after. It's clearly destroyer like -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  15:10, September 1, 2009 (UTC)


 * To those saying its a nornbear based on tatoos, take a look at the difference in patturns between norn and charr tatoos. Its not just the norn who have taatoos, I'm for the Charr Shaman Idea! 198.54.202.70 16:49, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

The Stone dwarfs really are back

 * Dwarves* and no supprises Random <font color="Black">Time  18:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Surprises*, and no actual interaction with the dwarves, I hope.--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  14:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

why nothing wrong with the dwarves am surprised they arent a playable race tbh.

The Crystal Desert seems to be repopulated and has a dam


Yes, as I recall Palawa Joko dammed the River Elon to create drought and famine in order to take Vabbi with minimal resistance.Kamiya 19:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a Norn Polar Bear now

 * Yeah, that seemed odd for me too, more than one bear form with different buffs perhaps 18:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It was said in an interview that Norn can shapeshift into "beasts," which implies it may not be just the bear, and I'm sooo totally going Snow Leopard! Also, the original intention in the EotN was for them to shift into a wolf, raven and owl also (people even dug up the skill icons for them in the dat file, maybe just owl and wolf, but the owl looked like ORLY owl :P), but the idea was abandoned due to technical problems, and they kept just the bear.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This bear looks...boring?--74.70.73.106 21:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, If you look on the trailer, they dont show norn in any bear form other than the polar bear. So really, I bet they realized that it made no sense for the northlanders of the cold regions would transform into grizzlys. I bet the polar bear is just the new bear, and the brown bear just wont happen anymore. As for the other beasts, they said there would be others, but I didnt see them in the trailer. Prolly just because were still pre-alpha, the other forms may not be in yet. A quote from a friend: "I hope the norns' animals arent just Avatar of the gods 2.0, because that would be dumb. Like the avitars of the gods." Shadowshear 20:37, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it... <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 20:45, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you read a little bit about Grizzlies they range as far north as Alaska, so the snow bound Norn becoming Grizzlies makes perfect sense.Kamiya 21:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Kodan is the name of these beasts, apparently. --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  20:35, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I found that to. It says: The Kodan are a race of armoured polar bears appearing in Norn areas. Nothing more is known about them. Meaning that it is not a norn form :O -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  22:13, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Has it occured to no one that this "polar bear" could be the norn Sidekick for the sidekick system? - Nerizev Lancer
 * So they can turn into a black bear form and have a white bear sidekick? Dunno about that... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:19, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's to wave off any claims of racial inequality, obviously :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:47, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, that's exactly what I was thinking. But, maybe males turn into black bears, and females into polar bears? /ponders RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:44, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

The Ebon Vanguard Seem to be back

 * lol I think this,probably, shows some of the actual armors in GW2--74.70.73.106 21:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

There are nights and huge lands

 * I loved the night sweep, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Day/Night cycle (similar to EQ2), or it could just be Night Zones. Incidentally, the night and the moon looked beautiful <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  18:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think in one of the interviews they did say that GW2 will have day/night cycles, at least they intend to, hence the little "hint" in the trailer. We already have a few perma-night time zones and even outposts in GW1.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Sylvari seems to be Woman only

 * Meh, female characters look better (female Asura looked weird though) <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  18:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * RT describing the difference between Sexism and Sexy :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well...you didn't see any female Charr in that trailer did you? So all male Charr and all female sylvari balances it out. KGipe 02:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read more lore before you make a fool of yourself again.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 02:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * How do you know you haven't seen a female Dwarf Charr? Eh? Eh? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Plants are hermaphroditic, so maybe Sylvari are the same? Which would mean they've got a surprise hidden under those skirts... On a serious note, I remember seeing pictures of male Sylvari somewhere. And Anet did say there'd be female Charr.--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  14:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be SO hot. <3 [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The one to the most right is a Dervish... I think <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 20:33, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Middle one looks like a Mesmer --Gimmethegepgun 20:53, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't notice that one till you said it <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 20:17, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * And the one on the left seeems to be an elementalist. As her armor top seems to be the same as the istani armor. <font color="Blue">Invoker <font color="Blue">Of   <font color="Blue">Love  20:48, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * O please let the one on the right mean that there will be dervishes in GW2... plzplzplz.. :P 198.54.202.70 16:54, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Or, -Gasp-, they could just be Sylvari wearing some clothes.--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  14:19, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Rrright Darksyde. Erything in life has a reason. So there clearly not wearing just clothes. It's a conspiracy I tell you! A CONSPIRACY! -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  18:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC)



I found this with the art at the GW 2 site. It looks like a male, evil version of the Sylvari. Could be an enemy for all I know, but they look all planty and that thing behind him looks just like what the girl in the trailer 'greened'.JamicaXD 17:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a enemy or a thing that they turn to life. But it's not a Sylvari Male thats for sure -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  18:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ow wait there is a dude standing before it. Hmm Well it doesn't look like the Sylvari Female but than again it's a Concept art so who knows -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:27, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps this guy could be a member of the Nightmare Court, an evil Sylvari faction, as mentioned in #18 of Edit 2 at. He looks pretty sinister compared to the other Sylvari. That site has loads of good information on just about everything, for anybody who didn't see it. Myko Ducor 19:07, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well then the fact would still remain that there are male Sylvari. Kamiya 17:57, September 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * I do really think he is Shiro Tagachi[]--37er 10:17, October 11, 2009 (UTC)



Still Sylvari Do look hot :P --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:32, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ow PS: It seems like you can still use Bows. Hurray! -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©   Talk  15:33, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

A huge ass city! In Kryta maybe?

 * I'm guessing Lion's arch for this one, it's asupposidly the "free city of Lion's Arch" now, and fits the description <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  18:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Similar pic, showing the nearby village, too. Anyhow, if it's human, it's not LA. Humans have nothing of the Shiverpeaks and Ascalon (Norn and Charr respectively) anymore, and LA was destroyed when Zhaitan rose along with a whole damn city :P It's probably Divinity's Reach. Source (page 2 linked). --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the last human settlement in Ascalon, Ebonhawke Damien Hellchaser 19:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What? No isn't that a place just like Ascalon City? A place were the Charr are steal the main source of sorrow. Were the lands burn and stuff? A few proud people who fight to the end? -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  20:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's divinity's reach, broskis. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ebonhawke looks like http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Ebonhawke.jpg anyways. &mdash; <font color="#7777CC">Balistic


 * It's Divinity's Reach, check this http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Divinity%27s_Reach
 * Looks like Minas Tirith to me... [[Image:DoULoomsignature.jpg|62 px]] <font color="Green">Dictator of Undeath  03:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, this pic is obviously Minas Tirith... OK, another example of Anet fantasy...

Remember there was a "huge-ass" city in the first cinematic trailer for Prophecies as well, that never surfaced in the game (we got Kaineng instead...) -- ◄mendel► 11:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well actually, Minas Tirith was based on a French community; Mont Saint Michel. So. Looks like Mont Saint Michel to me.--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  14:28, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * See also commons:Category:View of Mont Saint-Michel. -- ◄mendel► 16:21, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Charr seem to be in the industrial age now

 * Are you sure it's the Charr? I thought it was an Asuran city. The Charr don't strike me as the kind of race that would care about technological advancement that much. Kamiya 16:33, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone somewhere at Anet said that the Charr have abandoned their false gods and embraced the technology of war or something along those lines. They're also the ones with guns, so this fits them the most.  Asura have the magical gates and giant floating energy cube thingamabobbers.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Where did this information about guns come from? I've never seen it, and would like to. --Macros 04:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've read a few of the recent post-trailer interviews, and Regina's Journal and some other devs' pages on GWWiki (Emily, Gaile, Joe), so it must've been in one of those. But really, they didn't say much more than I did above and in the Shaman image section about them not being totally gone, hinting that we will run into them and it might not be pleasant judging by the whole Destroyer-esque transformation...  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 05:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, it was Regina's journal. Thank you. --Macros 00:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * scroll down a little--Darkrampage 17:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * They clearly haven't heard of CO2 emissions yet :S I really do like the Charrs (always did) but this... no way. As a conservationist I boycott this... to save the virtual nature!!! --Birchwooda Treehug 11:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Look at the architecture, it's obviously Charr. To think this is Asura is, well, any synonym for "stupid" would work.--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  14:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It has to be charr made, look at thier current buildings, they all have that teepee formation at the top, and if you look at these buildings they all have a sort of upside down funnel at the top, just like the charrs current buildings.--24.15.134.55 21:00, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

This is Charr Made, pause the video at 3:38. (Sorry, no pic) Top right corner is a charr standing on a platform

And last but not least: A huge flying thing at the Norn City


Hmm thats a lot of stuff and a lot of Questions... --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  14:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Kodan Iceberg. --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  20:40, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

The fierce and awsome Charr


Ah the Fierce Charr. They will be So freaking co.. Hot.. and do you people recognise that sword?
 * I prefer the rifle+ bandoleer in the background.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 05:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * AH WHAT!? No... Don't say there will be guns? :( -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  08:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like a gun to me. Kamiya 19:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks quite a bit like a gun to me, but the proof is that, as stated, he's wearing a bandoleer. With bullets. For a gun. --Gimmethegepgun 20:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Regina's journal. She confirms there will be guns. But I don't think they'll be as powerful as moderns guns... think 15th/16th century muskets. --Macros 00:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is definitely a gun. Notice the "Bullet Chain" across the Charr's body.--Darkrampage 20:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That is the aforementioned bandoleer --Gimmethegepgun 14:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * We can also see that the "tube" has a visor just left of where his "hand" is holding it. — TulipVorlax 03:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Underwater


This would be awesome. Wonder how long you can hold your breath --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  08:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In one of the magazine interviews I read that they intend to make underwater exploration easy and enjoyable, without having to worry about running out of air all the time. After seeing the swimming naga in the trailer, my guess is that you will ride them underwater just like riding wurms in the Desolation, but that's just my personal guess.  In any case, they implied that you won't have to "hold your breath."  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, you can see the naga in the upper right of this image, too. :) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Naga in Ascalon? (I'm assuming this is Ascalon) Maybe they fled from Usoku? Anyway, the underwater stuff looks promising. N_Segick_Sig.jpg Segick 22:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would just like to go under water and just need to get back when I run out of air. Thats a lot more realistic -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * read the paragraph next to the "grassy plain" picture.--Darkrampage 17:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Fish form", anyone? -- ◄mendel► 22:37, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be ridiculous, awesome, but ridiculous. Kamiya 01:49, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, please. 2 things: Firstly, the Asura will likely invent some sort of scuba gear, such as those air helmet things with a tube to the surface for air. Second, remember the rule of magic: if you need something done and you can't think of some plausible way, use MAGIC! Bubble of air, gills, uber-hold-breath, WHATEVER! MAGIC --Gimmethegepgun 04:43, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * "There is a consumable item that allows players to breathe underwater. It lasts a long period of time and is very easy to acquire. We did this because we wanted underwater exploration to be a very easy, accessible option for all players." Found it in the onlinewelten interview. Sounds nice to me. JamicaXD 23:51, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I haven't seen the consumable part before, only that they wanted to make this easy and accessible. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 01:17, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

"Sidhe" vs Sylvari



 * Sweetness! <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 20:46, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

"Chronomancer" vs Asura


It seems they dug up 2 old Professions --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Chronomancers seem like something out of ancient mythology, of some sort of god, while Asura just seem... very very anime. One more reason for me to hate them. ;D--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  14:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't hate them... Kill them. It's fun watching them suffer :) -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh no, i hate bookas ! (Look at my avatar...) — TulipVorlax 03:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comparing the role to other games that have chonomancers, if they were added it would seem like they would take the place of mesmers my favorite class D: <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 20:47, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Did the assassin or the Dervish replace the Warrior, or the Ritualist the Necro? Nope. AN has never replaced one class with another, many have been similar but they've all had unique strategies.Kamiya 21:48, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Except Anet may very well remove, or at least combine, certain classes in GW2, as one of the main reasons they decided to abandon GW1 and start over with GW2 was because they couldn't manage all of the skills in the game. There are too many to properly balance, the game is bloated with both useless and imba skills. I am certain there will be fewer classes and skills in GW2, unless Anet is completely oblivious and make the same mistake twice. --Macros 23:01, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * First chore is to conveniently "forget" to put Izzy on the payroll and "accidentally" put someone else in the slot --Gimmethegepgun 00:01, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not quite, Macros. I'm sure they could have just as many professions and skills, and do just fine for balance. I think they wanted to start over because of game mechanics. There are loads of things they are going to change with GW2. Adding new game mechanics, and learning from the balancing of GW1, they can have well over 1,000 skills and balance just fine. New game mechanics means new functions, which means lots of new possibilities for skills, and less duplicates, and less skills with inferior near-duplicates.--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  01:20, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * I remember a discussion where Anet hinted at the fact that there are, in fact, too many skills in the game, partly because of 10 professions, and partly because of the introduction of new skills for core professions in Factions and Nightfall on top of the Prophecies skill set. It makes things unnecessarily complicated, and that's why there are so many skills that just never get used, they got left behind and forgotten, and fell out of the balancing lists. The game would have been just fine with half the number of current skills, or even fewer. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 01:44, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

I'm just excited about new game mechanics, when it comes to skills, tbh. "When struck in the back", or "If this attack hits the head" would be neat. Or maybe some hexes with effects that change over time, like "This foe suffers from -5 degen for 1..5 seconds, then -4 degen for 1...4 seconds, then -3 degen for 1..3 seconds." I just hope they don't dumb down skills so the retards can understand them, ultimately making the skills worse, like Pious Restoration, and Meditation. =/--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  04:43, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

GW2 Guns


More here --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  18:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WHOA!!!!!!! :O HOLY $***!!!!! MIND BLOWING(for GW)!!!!!! I have never played WoW, but are any of their guns anything like this? And also by the looks of it,the scythes, they have kept Dervishes in GW2 :) --74.70.73.106 20:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, WoW guns are much bigger and "cooler" (They look like cartoons >_>) Check this page for a link to a High end Wow Gun. http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=32756. Anyway, I love the look of that Axe-gun my warrior has always used an Axe so upgrading to a Axe that can shoot bullets! WIN! Kamiya 22:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Quite obvious that first image shows elemental bullets. Fire and Ice are there, maybe Earth unless that top one is standard. I wonder what the Air Bullets will look like?<font color="Green">Kaze 23:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great observation Kaze <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 20:48, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

A lot seems to be changed


It's not a trailer pic. I fond it on GameSpot --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Norn Owl Spirit?


Is this a Norn in Owl form? Hmm it maybe be a Eagle form :P --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They don't have eagle form, so this must be owl. Iirc, it should be bear, owl, wolf, snow leopard, and 'maybe' raven, but can't remember on that one.  Snow leopard and owl ftw. XD  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

RAVEN BLESSING how da hell do u sign
 * You sign with ~ Raven yeah maybe but I heart some were that it wouldn't be in GW2 -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  20:28, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Bear, Snow Leopard, Wolf, and Raven are the GW2 Norn "gods" (the Spirits of the Wild) if Ree Soesbee is to be believed :p --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:31, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * That owl looks awesome! And how would Ree Soesbee know stuff like that? <font color="Blue">Invoker <font color="Blue">Of   <font color="Blue">Love  12:37, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol@her talkpage :P And she'd probably know because she wrote the backstory, she works at ANet... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  13:04, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * She's hot isn't she :P -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  13:09, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Already exists in Guild Wars, btw [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:46, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

*COUGH* OWLBEAR *COUGH* -- Ikimono "Mutton Chop Man"  07:36, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Look at its face and hands, looks norn to me.

From RT's blog
Incase you missed it, GW2 now has a trailer. It's about 5 mins long, and I'm going to give some opinions. It was mostly concept art, but there were a few awesome things:

Things that looked awesome

 * The day/night sweep, I may speculate that GW2 will have day/night, but I can't be certain that this is the case, anyway - night looks much better than night in EQ2, and in Oblivion, the moon effect was beautiful (<3).
 * Some of the Asuran tech looked immense
 * Water effects and underwater environments are top class
 * Running animations (for what seemed to be charr)
 * Environments in general are top class
 * The music, a redux of the GW:EN overture was probably the best thing about the trailer.

Observations

 * Looks like there won't be a good/evil race split (something to rolplay only, perhaps). Mentions races allying
 * Some of the gameplay footage looked like GW1 footage, nothing too new
 * Keep in mind the final trailer for GW1, which used artistic license up the wazoo.

Comments most welcome <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  18:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

F1's blogy (sort of in the make thingy)
I don't there will be a good/evil split but the Charr still rule over most parts of Ascalon so they won't be that close to them. And ofcourse the Charr them self aren't a really friendly and warm people. So it will be a fun group of "people" :D

Also I think that they keep in mind that most people will chose a different race instead of the humans. As they are killed in the wars. So there will be a lot less humans.

I sure hope that you just can walk because the Charr run is great. But I get crazy if I walk like that forever --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  20:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't get it
What exactly is so great about this trailer? I hear everyone else fawning over how ut;s cikk omg omg omg <3~ but I'm not really impressed. Of course the graphics are nice: GW has one of the nicer graphics engines right now, and the one thing they never disappoint on is the art department. I would naturally expect GW2 to be better, and if this is what the gameplay will eventually look like, then yeah it's a bit better. Good job. But...so what? :\ (T/C) 06:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * /agree with that, prehaps it's because we're in a desert as far as GW2 news is concerned, and any news is water, which the community flocks around because there's so little. That said, the underwater locations were spectacular. <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  08:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just really excited that my feet aren't going to be glued to the ground anymore. The first thing I'm going to do when I make a character in GW2 is jump into the water and swim away, enjoying every second of it. Kamiya 16:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, next thing you know you'll have to tame the naga to swim like the wurms in the Desolation now (I think that's what's gonna happen, based on the trailer), and it'll be halfway into the game. :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:08, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If that's right I'll be so pissed I might just kill someone. Kamiya 17:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, in one of the interviews they said that they don't want to make swimming like in some other games where you constantly have to worry about running out of air and feel constrained in what you can do underwater/for how long. This implies that rather than wearing giant bubble heads, we will have some means of transportation underwater to allow for carefree exploration, and still make sense as to why the heck we haven't suffocated yet.  Sulfurous haze immediately comes to mind, and we did see those giant nagas swimming underwater in the trailer.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Sylvari are related to maruera. As long as you continue chewing on one, you'll be able to breath.  05:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Some people do actually enjoy watching such graphics ;) Don't ruin it :( I love the graphics too (the drawn ones) --Birchwooda Treehug 11:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Who
Was the narrator? Cuz I would totally tap that based on voice alone. <3 09:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol... The voice reminds me of Gwen though...idk why. It could be the voice of some main character or just a random voice for narration though -Varon Searer 22:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats what I thought Varon. I bet its like Gwen's great^7 grand-daughter... I just hope her name isnt something like Gwendolen. N_Segick_Sig.jpg Segick 03:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No it'll be Frank.--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  14:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * i also agree, as soon as i herd it gwen popped into my head. i wont say for sure that it's the same voice actress. NOR WILL I DENY THAT IT WAS GWEN HERSELF!!!!!!1!!!!1????!!!!!!/1... *COUGH* *COUGH* umm... sorry about that.Akbaroth 00:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * i just re-listened to the trailer and noticed how she sounds awfully like the woman who did the opening cutscene just after making a prof character. she seems to be using a more mellow tone of voice, and of course by now she'd be a few years older. i'm almost sure it's the same person and, considering my low self-confidence, that's saying something.Akbaroth 05:51, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

The Dragon
Ok, What if.. Glint's Baby that you save in the Glint's Challenge mission is the dragon or in some way on the side of the dragon. Its possible Trueblade 05:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually... no, it's not. Anet has said that these dragons are much more ancient than Glint herself and Kuunavang.  These two have been called "babies" compared to the true Ancient Dragons, who are what we're going to fight in GW2.  They went dormant looong before Glint and Kuuna were born.  And I doubt that Glint would spoil her baby enough that it decides to go uber-evil and try to destroy the world that his mommy worked so hard to save in the Flameseeker Prophecies.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 06:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Remember, Glint was the first living creature created by the Gods. The Ancient Dragons went dormant before that point.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  06:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If anything, the baby might grow up and become an ally of the "good guys," like his mommy. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 06:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok.. New theory: The baby grows up by the time the players enter the game. THEN she tests the players if they are strong enough or part of some prophecy. After that joins the humans and obliterates the undead in some series of missions. And in the final mission she is the reason why the players win cause she deals the final strike! oh Trueblade 16:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Glint's power isn't even close to the ancient dragons, and shes like 3000+ or something, the baby is however long it takes between GW1 and GW2 (isn't that 200 years or something?) old. Dragons take time to age and gain power, but the baby (I don't think we know its gender yet) probably will have some role, just not as big as your making it out to be.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  19:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright! THE UBERNEW THEORY! She dies by the hand/claw of the other dragons... Happy now? Trueblade 23:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol...lets just stick to finding out once the game comes out. For all we know the baby may not even play a part in the game at all - Varon Searer 01:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Party Pooper. Trueblade 05:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

You ever get the feeling ANET watches these things for storyline ideas? Majority of these theories would be amazing in the game! 24.10.219.64 03:31, October 15, 2009 (UTC)Agent K

In case you missed the announcement
The Charr have invented guns and rifles by the time of GW2, and yes, all races can use them. <3 <3 <3 (T/C) 07:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Go Charr! I guess they nabbed Nick at some point and tinkered with his insane supplies of explosives. :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 07:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * AAAAW thats not really GW like... I hope it doesn't screw the GW vipe up... -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  08:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The following things will be the same between GW1 and GW2: 4 Races, THAT'S IT.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  08:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I do hope we can still use Bows. I don't see why we wouldn't, though.ComradeSanders 14:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a guy in the trailer who looks pretty epic and he's wielding a bow. I just hope anet makes the bow a viable choice and not just some newbie weapon. sacraficia 15:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think It's to bad as long as we don't get sci-fi guns, old blunderbusses are pretty cool

If they dont put bows it they'll ruin it. bows are awsome and it wouldmt be the same without them. Anet will probs just upgrade them to flasher mats and can upgrade them more/different

Classes/Races
I'm guessing Sylvari bring things to life of change certain objects and have ancient magic bla, Asura are obsessed with weaponry, Norn transform into different beasts, Charr and human seem to be quite plain compared but may have there own powers. The whole story and design seems pretty complex compared to GW1, like it's 5 different games into one. They said in the interview that you can just go one way and follow a story in your own way, instead of going Mission to mission. I really hope they release this soon :] and not in 2011 like people keep saying.
 * Well I'm more leaning toward there are some bonuses and abilities unique to each race, like the Norn's shifting, but I think that you will pick both a race and class, so you can be a Norn hunter, a Norn Warrior, or a Norn whatever else, but no matter what class you pick you will always be able to shift into animal from and it will provide a buff that would benefit any class you can pick. Kamiya 19:20, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd guess there's probably some shared classes among the races (probably very similar to the 6 Core classes now) but each race probably also has at least 1 unique class (such as Asuran Golemancers or something, which were rather obvious in the trailer) --Gimmethegepgun 20:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * iirc a-net anounced that all races will have access to all classes, and i have enough confidence in them to make norn mesmer just as good as asuran mesmer. i'd imagine the racial benefits would enhance all skills in general, rather than a category of them. or perhaps norn will have discovered a new spirit to 'form' into that makes them good spell casters. (on a side note, no, i don't want to play a norn mesmer. charr, human, or asuran ele all the way for me.Akbaroth 01:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * They may still add race specific classes, we've got a while till the games released. Personally I think that racial benefits will be a mix between passive bonuses (e.g health, energy, dmg, armour...) and race specific skills or items (e.g golems, controlling of plants, norn shifting...) Who knows, your race might even effect that personal "hero(s)" that you can have with you. -Shemp September 25, 2009

I would have to say that i think there will be a benefit for each race. however i dont think it'll be skill related, but mayb max health or energy or regen speeds. Mayb each race will recieve a buff due to the environment. In the Dragons Den mission and in the vortex explorable areas your party gets environment effects, this could be the same in GW2 but they're good effects, in EotN you get a buff in vanguard or norn etc areas when equipping their title, mayb Anet will do the same in GW2

Naga
Ok those Nagas are really bugging me. First of all what are they doing in Ascalon? I thought they were in Cantha? They weren't in Ascalon, were they? And they are not the Forgotten, because if you pause it and look, they only have 2 hands and a skinny body, from head to tail. Everything is in game, so it's not like they MADE it up. Right now I can think of two explinations. 1) It's a cutscene, like when they introduced Ascalon in the pre-searing when you first start out. The cutsecene is just showing stuff around Ascalon, and it shows the Nagas. 2) They are a playable race(very, very unlikely). Perhaps we learn how to explore underwater from them. So what do you guys think? Oh and I forgot to mention, remember how all the "Non-Human" races were driven out of Cantha....--74.70.73.106 21:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * [update]: I found this on guildwiki; "According to the Factions manuscripts, the intelligent Naga were in the past a species of merchants and artisians who were at peace with the Humans, until the Jade Wind nearly destroyed the entire race. If not for the Naga priestess Hanasha Coralfin, who united the less than 40 remaining Naga and established a warlike and expansive culture that seeks vengeance on the humans who they blame for their catastrophe."- Because they were driven out of Cantha, they probably hated the humans even more. Well since they no longer live in Cantha, they start a new life in Ascalon? Made a pact with the Charrs, who also hate the humans? Notice the "established a warlike and expansive culture that seeks vengeance on the humans", very (VERY,VERY) much like the Charrs. Now they are threatened by the Dragons?--74.70.73.106 21:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Plural of Charr is charr. Anyway, It's 200 years later, so much can change <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  21:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly my point Randomtime. I want them to be a playable race, but don't think it's going to happen because other than Factions they were never really a significant in the GW world. I don't think even the Tengus and the Centaurs will be playable, and they were more significant than the Nagas in GW. And partially because Anet has not mentioned ANYTHING about the Nagas. But as you said, a lot can happen in 250 yrs.--74.70.73.106 23:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Well Keep in mind that the dragons arose all over the world and communication with Cantha has been cut off. Also according to the setting information cantha has made drastic changes over its treatment of non-human races under the new emperor so if the tengu are applicable then i wouldn't doubt the naga would also be under the gun...and with that they'd have to move along...also just because the naga only appeared in cantha it doesn't mean that the naga don't swim in other waters. --

Flamethrower
It definitely looks like a flamethrower. It was in the trailer at about 4:29. I got it from here (the third to last pic)If you look at the mouth of the "flamethrower" you will see that there are holes. The color showing through the left most hole is the same as the right most, meaning that the same "material" is passing from the right most hole to the left most. Until finally the flames come out. Also notice the way the "Thing"(don't wanna say it's a Charr) is holding the "flamethrower", you only that when some is holding a two hand weapon (pointed down). There are also those tube looking things on the bottom right hand corner, going under the "Flamepack"."It" is also wearing some sort of protective goggles. I am not saying that it's IN GW2, after all it is a concept art. Why do you think?--Darkrampage 20:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Charr (I do want to say it's a Charr :) ) have guns, too. I wouldn't be suprised if the thought of a flamethrower-Charr flew by :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK it is a Charr. I didn't think it was at first because of it's "bare body" lol. I saw NO fur on it, so I hesitated to say that it is a Charr. But then I looked at that other Charr from the trailer( the one holding a FDS) and it's body was "bare" too; No fur. LOL a Charr with a flamethrower, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!?!?!..... :) --Darkrampage 21:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, Well, Well. Looky here. So are they planning to introduce the A-Bomb anytime soon too? LoL :). More pics here --Darkrampage 23:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * looks more like a bazooka. &mdash; <font color="#7777CC">Balistic
 * I don't think it's bare, I think their fur is just really short and fine, like a lion, or horse.--<font face = "comic sans ms" color = "#200040">Darksyde  14:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Golem
Theres a golem in the trailer (or something that looks a lot like it). It's a different design to the golems in eotn but more short and stumpy. I hope we're not going to have to belive that in 200 years the chaar have invented guns but the Azura (who are already the most advanced race) keep using the same things that didn't really work 200 years ago. Seems like the Azura have got stuck in some kind of time loop. i hope the azura with the glove means we can control golems now, otherwize the azura look like they've stayed still for 200 years, while the chaar have invented the gun--Hugarh 16:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There were several golems in it I think, in various sizes and forms. And the golems were already pretty powerful in GW1...--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 17:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all - I don't wanna preach, but they are called Asura... And you might be both meaning this piece of clockwork:

OK, so what they are using golem technology 200 years later. It was a completely new thing in GW1 and it's just like photography on Earth - we are still using it greatly improved. And I doubt cars will vanish in 100 years time. They just improved the whole golem technology. What else would substitute for it? --T-pack 21:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I might also bring up that since their technology is magic-based, the advancements over time aren't likely to be noticed aesthetically. Sure, you look at computers and how they've been getting smaller to us, but these are Genius Operated Living Enchanted Manifestations- they're SUPPOSED to be big, powerful, and intimidating, to be in stark contrast to the Asura as a whole. The advancements are likely in terms of energy consumption, output, stability, durability, without sacrificing the intimidatingly huge and hulking look.--Kajex Firedrake 09:37, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I'm hoping that the Asura with the means that we as players can control the Golems. I also agree that although the Golems are smaller it doesn't mean that the technology hasn't improved greatly, as it was said earlier, there were problems with them in EotN. MOX was the only one that didnt have problems. These ones will work properly (i hope). But being able to control them would be good.... Mayb it'll be an elite skill like the Blessings in GW, or like the worms in NF where you use them at specific times in specific environments. Whos knows what Anet will do.

I think they might have different models of golems, that wooden one could be a low lvl, weak golem, while one like the one on the left could be high level or elite golem. Using the car idea, not all cars are alike, and many of them look quite different, from the old junker that is your first car, to the fancy Porsche some people drive. In fact, I can imagine golems that are primarily for speed, some for endurance, some for power. It all depends on what you want as your personal golem. -Shemp

Anet said they would be using a sidekick system like in City of Heroes. Wouldn't it make sense for the GOLEM to be the Asuran sidekick? -Lancer

Compilation of the swiftly art images at end trailer
There is quite some interesting stuff within there like: That is all~ I hope some images might recall your memory, though some might went too fast. Ge4ce 11:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Image 4: Perhaps the biggest worm ever for Guild Wars.
 * Image 5: Have we thought that image 4 might be a big worm, what the hell is this kind of beast with sharp tentacles?
 * Image 6: Perhaps part of the lore from the Charr-gone-bad?
 * Image 11: Centaur on the run.
 * Image 12: No idea who the sitting guys are. Perhaps humans? At least they are standing in front of what seems to be the Elderly Woods. (Four giant living wood figures)
 * Image 13: Human running away from long worm is long.
 * Image 17a: What seems to be a male Sylvari? He is standing in front what seems to be a figure covered in wood, moss and bones.
 * Image 17b: The upper part of the figure suggest that it's some kind of, perhaps controlled, monster.
 * Image 20: My personal favorite of the compilation. The details of this machine is just superb and detailed.
 * Image 21: Robot anyone?
 * Image 22: Robot/Metal outpost/city?
 * Image 24: Owl vs. Centaur.
 * Image 25: Armor art~!
 * Image 26: Flamethrower?

PvP Maps
It may have just been me, but I feel as if during the trailer we saw some of the PvP maps of GW2. One of them showed that huge golden block with different asura gates throughout it, but it might have been the new Hall of Heroes. Also, a few images later, there was another wintry map with snow on the groound that could be another PvP map. --Ninja in ya Face 03:53, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Around how may min/ seconds do you see it? -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  17:07, September 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought it was just the replacement for the CTC, with all the portals...--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 15:08, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * You meen that big flying thing? Isn't that just the new Big city of the Asura? -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:24, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what it actually is. I was just making an observation that that looked like it could be a huge PvP map, like the kind of world PvP ANET mentioned before.--Ninja in ya Face 04:26, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * That Should be in the mists. So not Asura like -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  11:56, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * The giant floating cube city is definitely the GW2 version of Rata Sum (the asuran capital). In the movement of the world article, it says something about the asurans rebuilding their capital as they were forced to pretty much abandon the depths of tyria. I do agree that it would make a cool PvP map, it is mostl likely Rata Sum (they might somehow make it into an arena type thing, which would be awesome)... The El33t 03:50, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Though tbh, it would probably make a cool PvP map.--72.189.82.222 02:22, October 19, 2009 (UTC)