User talk:Dirael/wiki content archive 2

you may be interested
in copying User:Entropy/monobook.js to reduce clutter. It makes the Master Template obsolete. (T/C) 03:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Shadowcrest  16:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

dont forget
To destroy evidence delete the talk page next time :) --- -- (s)talkpage 20:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Tbh I didn't think one would exist >.>
 * K, I'll watch for that next time. --Shadowcrest  20:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

IP
Now don't you forget GW:QDV. ;) -- 21:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Mr.Admin
Wud u liek to lern me wut "mawnobookz" r four? Misfate 23:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you asking me to tell you what monobooks are for/what they do? --Shadowcrest  00:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah, pretty much. Misfate  00:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just go to your monobook.css and put:

body{background:#FF00FF} Lord Belar 00:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to burst your bubble, but both my .css and .js are completely copied from other people's. The only reason I have any idea what they do is because of commented out lines. I think the general gist of both of them is customizing GWiki for your own personal preferences. For example, I have links to candidates for banning/deletion on my sidebar, and I don't see the "sign ur comments" message when I click edit on a page. --Shadowcrest 00:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oic. Ty mr adminz. u win teh gaem. Misfate  00:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
On a side note, when facing heated discussions, as an admin, please try to help those involved reach a consensus instead of trying to impose a closure to the conflict. Not every hot discussion is necessarily a bad one, and even if it were, it's best to come up with something than to leave everything as it is. I've grown to admire admins that manage to turn things down without trying to shut them dead, so I hope you can do that too.reanor 01:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. That ought to take some work, unfortunately; just stopping it is the simplest conclusion my mind arrives at. The problem my mind reaches is that consensus on an issue like that usually isn't going to be reached without one side or the other completely admitting they're wrong, or something absolute like that. Honestly I didn't see you, Alari, or Macros flat-out changing opinion. Thinking about it, just stopping the conversation doesn't accomplish much, other than a temporary halt to any NPA/YAV violations about to commence. Thanks for the suggestion; feedback really helps me learn how I can improve. I'll think about this overnight, and I'd appreciate anything else you have to say on the matter. --Shadowcrest 01:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The word consensus precisely refers to a conclusion wich in some way satisfies most factions involved. If someone "wins" it's not consensus. Usually a good idea it's proposing a different approach to the same matter. For example, if we're discussing community issues, coming up with a poll could help. If we end up talking only about abstractions, proposing more concrete cases is a good turn. That kind of thing. As you said, it's easier to call it quit, but it's not as productive as putting some effort into it. Also, avoiding escalation into policy violations is a common sysop job in user conflicts, and should be kept, but we must not forget that sometimes, letting things reach their end is more important than applying preemptive counters. Policy violations have their punishments for a reason, they happen.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 02:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ereanor sums up my thoughts pretty well. Although this is the second toughest of all an admin's duties, it is also one of the most valuable skills since it is almost universally useful. On the other hand, admins are just as human as the rest of us, and you're still kinda new at that anyways, so I honestly am not too too concerned. No one becomes a master overnight. I am glad that you chose to take this as a learning experience rather than a failure, too - that only reassures me that I made the right choice in promoting you. Keep up that attitude and you'll do just fine. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah so
On Entropys advice, I'm telling all the admins about Request for rollback. Yeah, go check it out like a good :P &mdash; Warw/Wick 14:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

delete confict!
Dude, we don't need to *both* be deleting images at the same time! XD Why did you and Felix Omni suddenly decide to start helping with this, anyway? &mdash;Dr Ishmael 00:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) bored.
 * 2) I feel bad that you're doing it all by yourself :(
 * 3) might as well do something constructive. Always a good option.
 * I've heard that somebody once delete conflicted themselves. I'd love to have that happen to me. Also, have you been deleting the abandoned talk pages? --Shadowcrest  00:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * How are you managing to delete things as fast as you are? I put a link in my sidebar that I click after I delete something. You? --Shadowcrest 00:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Tabs > linking imo --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 00:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't follow you. --Shadowcrest  00:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're using Firefox, just Ctrl+click a bunch of images to open each in its own tab. Then just put your mouse over the "del" link on the first one, then click, Ctrl+Tab, click, Ctrl+Tab, click, etc.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 01:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think I have delete-conflicted myself a couple times, now that you mention it. And yes, I've been deleting the talk pages - after Wizardboy posted on my talk, I looked at his delete log and saw where he zinged Armond for not doing that, so I went back through all 1600 that I'd already deleted to make sure I got them all.  Anyway, we should work out a system so we don't conflict - you view the page with offset=500 or something?  Right now I'm going to eat dinner.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 00:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If I can get that to work, will do. And 1600?! O.O --Shadowcrest  00:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was clearing out unused images months ago- screenshots too. I just got lazy and stopped for a while. It's easier to delete than it is to delete tag, though. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

u = fail
check what links here and stuff before you delete. also, i use that redirect dammit&mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 21:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * GW:S&F is shorter :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 21:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Skill box --> User skill box
The following pages in your userspace are using :
 * User:Shadowcrest/bugtagtest
 * User:Shadowcrest/Shadowcrest's apostrophe test

Because they are user-created skills, they should instead be using. Please update them to use the correct template. If they have not been changed in 5 days, they will be changed for you. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 03:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, they were both for testing purposes, and neither could have used User skill box. But I don't need either of them, so np for the time being. --Shadowcrest 16:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That was a templated message I posted to everyone who had userpages that used the skill box, I didn't check every one to see if it was a direct usage.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Lag
I have no problems loading pages, but it takes ages to save a page. Anyone else? --Shadowcrest 22:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorta of same here, occasionally it will jut plain refuse to load a page, or refuse to save a page, but most of the time it works.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]ìğá†ħŕášħ is hosting a beauty pagent! 22:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Same problem. --[[Image:Progr.jpg]] - talk 22:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As who, me or giga? --Shadowcrest  23:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Err, as you. I mess up on indenting every now and again. --[[Image:Progr.jpg]] - talk 23:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

RT Gone?
RT Userpage seems to have gone :O --Cookie™ (Talk |Contribs) 13:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's still there for me... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 13:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have gone, i'm just a ghost, also why are you telling shadowcrest this, instead of me? <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  18:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

D:
You and your warnings. 17:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thankfully I beat you to the warning, I'd have looked pretty silly otherwise :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

reminder
To myself to compile a list about PanSola for Entropy's bureaucrat opening. Otherwise, I'm off. See ya. --69.255.235.75 01:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * /remind. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 20:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I posted when I was logged out so I'd get the new messages box, and not to mention I told you in game I've already supported Pan's unofficial nomination. Nice steel0rd computer. Epic fail, tbh :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

you haven't commented
on User:Entropy/bureaucrat. I was expecting a little bit more attention from the general public, so now I'd like at least all the sysops to chime in. After all, those are the people it most directly affects. If you're indifferent then I apologize for spam, and if you're busy I'm sorry for giving more work...nevertheless I desire your comments. (T/C) 05:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
So. You've removed the trivia in Paige Osbourne, with your amazing comment. But then, there's trivias in Isabaeux Navarre, Corwin Luceinne, Balthazar's Spirit, Across the Wall or Armin Saberlin and all of them ar "maybe", "could be", "probably". Why not cut those ones out too? And you're not going to tell me that it's not a HUGE coincidence. And if it is why not say ot's a coincidence on all of them? I don't want to flame you or anything but should be there a policy regarding trivias? Someone cuts the trivia in one place leaving similar ones in all other places, then other person puts it back in, blahblahblah, similar thing here: Gammel might mean something in norvegian and it's been left there, but Dupek the Mighty's one has been cut out, although it means something in polish. So we're allowing this kind of trivia or not? And second thing is - i know it's hard to kkep track on trivia because it's all subjective, but it's here for laughs most of the time, can't people be more laid back about it? It's not like it's doing any harm... --Rotfl Mao 13:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Dupek the Mighty was removed because it was inappropriate and because ANet themselves confirmed it wasn't a reference. The reason I haven't removed them from those pages is because I don't visit every page to check for far-fetched or highly unlikely trivia. If someone wants to add the note on Paige Osbourne back in, they're supposed to put it on the talk page and see if the community agrees that the article should be put in or not. If they agree it should/shouldn't be there, then fine. As far as I know there is no policy on trivia; if you'd like to propose one, you're more than welcome to, we could probably benefit from one. If the trivia was even remotely reasonable (the one on Paige Osbourne wasn't at all), then I'd have no problem leaving it there. When obscure references to totally unrelated things are put in, I generally remove them. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Nominated
You have been nominated! good luck. User:Entropy/bureaucrat 牛 <font face="vivaldi" size="3">Correct 仔 <font face="vivaldi" size="3">Jeans 裤  19:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

April? Close!
I was around a few months before that, actually. . Not that it matters a bunch, just wanted to point that out :p - Auron 20:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I searched for User:Auron one day, and saw it was deleted because that was an actual user. So I special:listusers'ed Auron and saw that and wondered who it was :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

how
Can I get my RaU box to auto-close? I know I could do it by including another show-hide box, but.. is there another way to get it to close? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 22:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've tried includeonly tags, to no success. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I know how to do it but cannot locate the page where this was discussed. There is an option you can toggle somewhere in the HTML/MediaWiki/something arcane code which makes ALL showhide boxes automatically start closed. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * All as in every single one or all as in all of them on a given page? I assume since you're using the caps it would mean every single one... if I made a userspace dupe of the auto-close box and use that to make the RaU template that would work, right? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm... if you copy the code from the Showhide box, you can add  to the NavContent div, which does make it hidden by default, but the show/hide link still says "hide" initially.  Clicking it once will change it to "show", after which it works normally.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My page looks strangely empty without the gigantic R-a-U template. Thanks a bunch Ishmael! --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * np ^_^ &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I found it - MediaWiki:Common.js/NavToggle. This is a much broader and more powerful fix to the problem. But I do not want to touch that because it may have performance/caching issues and because I am not sure everyone wants showhide boxes to start hidden. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I do. My page looks fat. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 16:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Combined Skills
I managed to get your combined skills template working from the split skill templates that we do have now, i.e. I copied both Template:Blinding Surge and Template:Blinding Surge (PvP) unmodified to my user space and made four templates to soundly thrash them together (one is a slightly modified version of your skill box test). To give you your combined skill box, all I need to write is  , and of course that simplifies to    once it's in main namespace (but I need to clean it up a bit first before we can do that). For Skill box test any other display function could be substituted, it will get the parameters from the normal skill and the ones from the PvP skill will have pvp_ prepended (e.g. recharge=4 and pvp_recharge=3). And this is the result:

--mendel 20:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice! I'm not sure it'll get used (might opt to keep the pages separate), but good work nevertheless. I personally think it would look better as a single page (what with notes, acquisitions, etc.), so if it is decided to use a single page that will probably be the one we use. Tbh I think I'll go post that at the community portal, if it hasn't been done already. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 20:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I do like the effect that the skill box looks like two overlapping boxes, but the text is so extraordinarily cluttered... don't forget that it would require two (four?) progression charts as well. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * When would it need 4 progression tables? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I suppose it would only need 3, since the damage progression is unaffected by pvp status... still pretty cluttered. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The blind and damage are both incorporated into the same progression table on Blinding Surge, still resulting in 2 tables. And the descriptions aren't exceptionally cluttered, imo; at least no more than I would expect them to be. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 20:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine, fine. Three progression rows. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not finished yet; I've still got work to do ensuring that the data gets there so that any rows can be displayed at all. That's the reason I hadn't posted it to the community portal yet, though I can see that you don't want to explode your talk page. *grin*
 * For the descriptions, there could be a div, with a switch for full and concise, so that only one of those is shown. Not sure how we get Guildwiki to remember that, though. mendel 22:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it would require the editing of MediaWiki:Common.js/NavToggle. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it would probably require a separate script, if I understand what Mendel is proposing: it would have a single header div with a "show" link that would toggle the display of two NavContent divs, one for PvE and one for PvP. I'd been considering something like that to solve this issue; guess I'll actually work on it tonight.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate someone telling me that it was a good guess. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good guess felix :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes and no, the toggle would be [full] or [concise], so that it shows only full or concise, but for both versions of the skill at the same time. However, the only way to set this up is to use a cookie or some such because following Felix's link (good guess there, Felix!), I find that the the NavFrame doesn't manage to remember it's state, and I'd want Guildwiki to remember the full/concise toggle across all skill pages - otherwise it'd be a pain if I was usually interested in the info that is hidden by default. Hmm. If I do what I plan and make a page that lists all split skills, it would help to have a toggle that switches all of those descriptions on that page (i.e. one click and all skills switch). That's pretty low priority for me at this time, though - gotta get the basic stuff working reliably first. mendel 22:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ty guys :D [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

My opinion on the matter: Eeewww... A lot of cluttering and blah. We reallt need something to toggle Concise/Full so it aint a wall of text anymore O_o""" --- -- (s)talkpage 14:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Cat tree edits
Hiya Shadowcrest. Noticed you made an edit to my Category Tree page (back on Feb 24th). Just wanted to let you know, that page is actually generated by a script reading category names and their hierarchy directly off the wiki, and each time I run that program it will simply overwrite the page with refreshed info (so your edit may get overwritten, and didn't want you thinking was aimed at you in anyway). Also, if you weren't already aware, with the recent wiki software updates, there is now a Special:CategoryTree page which replicates some of what my CatTree page shows (although that won't show multiple parentage as easily or highlight where cyclic references are etc). Cheers, Wolfie (talk|contribs) 02:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's no problem. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 01:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Image Deleting
Question, on this one... How do we typically deal with the "redlinks" created from deleting images. I was looking at what links here for the images as you were deleting them, and doesn't appear to apply to images. Any ideas? Because most of the images that you are deleting are linking to articles. -Hope this helps. --   I~sk8   (T/C) 22:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I knew they were, especially the sig images. I was considering uploading a 1x1 white dot over them, or perhaps it would be more prudent to restore the sig images. The copyvios can (should, and will) stay deleted as far as I'm concerned. I was going off of this, but broken images look way uglier than broken pages. I guess for now I'll restore the sigs.. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 22:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That conversation appears to more or less regard deleted user pages rather than images though. If images don't show up on wantedpages then I guess it isn't an issue. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  I~sk8   (T/C) 22:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, is Defiant Elements and Banjulhu the same person or something? Because Defiant tagged all those images for deletion... and it confused me just a little. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  I~sk8   (T/C) 22:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I missed out on far too much happenings while I was away for a few days. -_- -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  I~sk8   (T/C) 22:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I already posted a proposed solution... GuildWiki_talk:Sign_your_comments&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for addressing this Jedi. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  I~sk8   (T/C) 23:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually... I read this after I wrote that but you're welcome anyway. Also, there's still a sig image thats leaving red links i think. Might be wrong tho.&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it the purple circle one? I was looking through the ones I deleted but none of them (except the ones I linked to) were linked to, unless I just failed a lot. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 23:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So, we just upload over it with a white box the exact same size as the image its replacing? I am a little confused by your choice of wording at the end of the paragraph, Jedi.-- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   I~sk8   (T/C) 23:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll talk about it over there. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)