Talk:Ogre

There are some unique nasties in Urgoz's Warren. I've heard talk of vampires and ghouls. Maybe there are ogres too.
 * I think that Ogres are a real thing. We have ogre slaying mods and shields with additional armor against ogres. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 10:37, 11 May 2006 (CDT)
 * has anyone ever seen any foe related to an ogre? maybe this is ANETs idea of a big joke on the user community. --Honorable Sarah 12:07, 11 May 2006 (CDT)
 * What about furnace guardians in SF? Just a thought. --Vortexsam 01:35, 1 June 2006 (CDT)
 * They are giants Skuld  01:42, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

Wikipedia describes Oni as being demons or ogres. Since Factions Dragons are of the eastern type, is it likely that its "Ogres" are too? Of course, there would still be the similarly vexatious question of the weapon mods vs Demons Pingping 00:39, 1 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Doubt it Skuld  01:42, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

The Factions strategy guide says that Ettins and Yeti are Ogres. What's the wiki's policy on using information from strategy guides? -- Gordon Ecker 23:44, 1 June 2006 (CDT)


 * The wiki has no policy on this, but the general consensus is that information from strategy guides should be treated with maximum suspicion. If you have an Ogreslaying mod or an Ogre-Slaying Knife, why not have a little tete-a-tete with an Ettin? &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 00:40, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I just tested it, and the ogre slaying knife does more damage to Ettins in Nebo Terrace and Yetis in Jaya Bluffs than a 5-6 damage sword, while the sword does more damage to Giants in Thirsty River, Trolls in Silverwood or Summit Giant Herders in Thunderhead Keep. -- Gordon Ecker 16:50, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * This is not a proper test. Here is the test: Get a melee weapon and an upgrade "of Ogre slaying" for it. Go to the perspective Ettin and hit him with "Wild Blow" and note down the damage, then apply the upgrade to the weapon and do it again. If you get a higher number then Ettins are Ogres. What Wild Blow does is it guarantees the damage will be maximum. Right now, you can't use the Knife of Ogre slaying because you can't remove the Ogre slaying upgrade from it and you can't replicate it's damage range. You need to be using the EXACT same weapon against Ettins and non-Ettins and you need to be able to use it with and without the upgrade. --Karlos 19:44, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I reverted till you (or someone else) can confirm this. The fact that you listed Oni there makes me tend to believe your findings are not accurate. --Karlos 19:49, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I disagree with your analysis. A 5-6 damage sword will never do more than 6 * sqrt(2) = 8.48 (before armor) damage against an ettin. The Ogre-Slaying Knife will never do less than 9 damage against an ogre (+damage ignores armor). Ten whacks against one with both weapons will easily tell you whether you're hitting an ogre or not. 70.20.109.198 19:57, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * You're ignoring the effect of armor, lower armor will augment the 5-6 more than the 1-4. Also, I'd like the readings, i.e. the Ogre slaying knife did: A, B, C and D damage in 4 tries while the sword did W, X, Y and Z. However, Wild blow is still the best measure. --Karlos 20:32, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I just tested it again, this time with Wild Blow, an Ogre Slaying Knife and a 3-5 damage sword. The results for the ogre slaying knife were 9 damage against a Wild Yeti in Jaya Bluffs and an Ettin in Nebo Terrage. The results for the 3-5 damage sword were 3 damage against the same Yeti and Ettin. I also tested the weapons against various control targets including the target dummies (which confirmed that the 1-4 damage range on the knife is correct) and the 3-5 damage sword got higher damage against everything except the ettin and yeti. I can see no reason why a proven 1-4 damage (confirmed on a AL 6 target dummy) slashing (confirmed on an aloe) weapon with a damage bonus against ogres would have consistently higher damage than a 3-5 damage slashing weapon against anything other than ogres. I think that's good enough to classify them as ogres. As for the oni comment, the word is often translated into English as ogre, see Skuld's comment, Ogre and Oni. -- Gordon Ecker 23:08, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Actually, Karlos, you missed the key statement "+damage ignores armor". I agree with anon. Whatever the ogre's armor level, an OSK will never deal less than 9 damage. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 12:17, 3 June 2006 (CDT)