User talk:Watterly

Unique item borders
Why are you posting them with borders around them? They are unnecessary and make it hard, sometimes, to distinguish the item. Besides that, no other screenshot at guildwiki contains borders so it makes sense to continue complying to that. (T/C) 23:32, 14 May 2006 (CDT)

Besides it looks awful :| Skuld  05:32, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

indeed ^^ --Jamie 06:46, 16 May 2006 (CDT)


 * The icon and the ingame images look nice, but the border looks bad. Please consider cropping out the borders and reupload them.  As for the stats screenshot, they are unnecessary.  I believe we are in fact phasing out all the old articles with stat screen shots too. -PanSola 21:32, 16 May 2006 (CDT)


 * The borders are unnecessary and the icon is tacky. --Gares Redstorm 22:10, 16 May 2006 (CDT)

Preview Button
Please use the preview button before you save. --Gares Redstorm 22:10, 16 May 2006 (CDT)

Image deletion
I have removed Image:ShenStatistic.jpg because image with weapon stats are not necessary, and in general actually unwanted on weapon pages. You may notice other weapon articles have stat images too, those are ones we haven't caught yet, as opposed to having an inconsistent policy. -PanSola 07:56, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

Reply
I didn't understood at first when I saw all my work being destroyed by multiple person. Firstly, I've put border because it looked cool, like a concept. Wanted to get all green for monk and do it. But had never gone here, "My talk" page... I just see that you don't agree with that. That's okay, I'm gonna put something else found in Tyrya Green.

And for you, the last one who deleted MY image, just to let you know, EVERY offhand, and I say EVERY, have a statistic image. So please, I don't know why you are all on me, just tried to put full info here to help everyone and you keep destroying what I do, it just become boring for me. Before editing all green's i looked to one page already existing, Feng's Focus. I tried to make the same concept on every one of my edit. Sadly, day by day, somes deleted what I did. That's a little bit boring. I would had prefered to e-mail me or something like that.

Anyway, acting like that doesn't help Guild Wiki to grow. For border, OK. I won't say anything. You don't like, that's alright. I'm gonna make new screenshots and I'll fix all my green to make it fit in "your" concept.

Please, don't act like this again, cause I'm just here to help you to enjoy this site. Just think of beeing me for a moment, and try to understand how it's awfull to see that all what you did has been deleted. It takes time to make all pages to look great and "clean". Please, be cool and nice with me. I just want to help.

Thank you for listening and for understanding.


 * As PanSola stated, he deleted the image because we do not want the statistics images here (I don't know for sure if that is true, but I trust that he is correct). If you spot any of them, please mark them for deletion or let one of the regular contributors know and someone will do it for you. It is very nice of you to upload the images again without the borders and I thank you for it. I hope you will stay helping the wiki even if your first impression wasn't the best possible. I also hope you understand that we regular contributors have to deal with a lot of stuff which new contributors submit in a non-wanted manner and we cannot always handle everyone with silk gloves. I appologise and I hope you will stay and help us make this wiki even better than it is. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 17:24, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

Statistic Image
Well, I could say that ALL off-hand, Staves, Wands, has their Statistic item + Statistic written in their page. Just to to Tyria Greens Page, ALL of them have this image. I personally think this image is a "must", like a proof of what you write.
 * We do not need the proof if the person surely knows what he/she is writing. If we have a reason to suspect some information wrong, we will ask for proof then. :) If you are making major changes to something in the wiki you generally need to provide proof that you are correct, but when submitting new green stats etc in massed amounts you definitely don't need to submit an image of all of the stats. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 17:44, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

Greens
All my greens are updated. Hope you'll enjoy. I'm gonna try to get others to upgrade them to fit with that concept.


 * Check the image sizes. I fixed one which took half of my screen width, please do it for others if needed. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 02:02, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * On second thought, I will do it for you as I am bored. :) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 02:02, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Big big image
Yeah I agree, Ssuns' Staff was taking like ALL space with it's mega-big image. Fixed that. Btw, someone called Skuld deleted Ssuns' Staff boxes and Byzzr's Benediction boxes too. Please stop it, what I did is OK. Ty,
 * He probably wouldn't notice your comment on your own talk page... -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 09:18, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

???
How could I tell him then ?
 * MY talk page? :p you don't phone yourself asking for me :D I left a comment somewhere on how the boxes are large and unneeded, when just the bulleted stats look fine. Also you seem to have copied all the html from the templates.. Skuld  09:22, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

"Concept"
Hi you talk about your concept and how other people's ideas are "boring". Well this wiki as with all is a community project, that means we all colaberate ideas to make it have its own style. It is important that all same-type pages have the same style, we can't have 50 weapon pages in one uniform style then 5 or so in a different style because the contributor didn't talk over their view point with the community.

If you have an idea for style and formatting of Items please discuss this in the relevant talk page, GuildWiki_talk:Style_and_formatting/Items.

What you should take away from this:
 * We will listen to you if you go about voicing your opinion the right way
 * You must design your articles in the current agreed style as this creates an easier to read guide for readers & editors of this game guide.
 * We are not picking on you. It might seem harsh all these edits against what you are doing and you might feel sad and want to leave, but please do not, GuildWiki evolves all the time and we are always looking for new ideas.

please look at Style_and_formatting for our guidelines on how we currently format our articles. if you have any opinions on how you would like to see the style of guildwiki pages to change go to the relevant talk pages and voice your opinion. --Jamie 09:25, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Actually, Watterly doesn't have to create pages conforming to the standard. Heck, a LOT of existing pages don't conform to the standards.  Just understand that the pages are supposed to conform, and helpful people will edit non-conforming pages to make it conform.  But we focus on content over presentation, so if it is easier to put in content a certain way for a certain contributor, that's fine.  Other people will just have to come and fix it later.  But yes, if you disagree with the standard that all articles are supposed to conform to, discuss it on GuildWiki_talk:Style_and_formatting/Weapons. -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 09:31, 18 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Ok Listen, I even didn't created a new concept. The only thing I did is : I went in "Help", then in "# 1.10 Guildwiki Policies", then in "Style & Formatting guide", and saw that items are redish in boxes. Then I tried to find one boxes for an items, but in greens, only Wenslauss' Faith has this concept. I litteraly copy/pasted that concept. I only had the inventory image, kinda usefull because I saw other things like Tanned Hide's inventory looks. My "old" concept was the one with borders, and everyone didn't like it. So I removed them, and conformed myself to your concept, that is Ok too. Like Pansola said, a LOT of existing pages don't conform to the actual "concept". I'm trying to fit the most has possible my pages to that concept. I will surely edit in not so long Brohn Set, Wroth Set, Ivor Set + Kephnet because I own them and can conform them. For all new monks green, I'm bidding and buying them, so they will be conformed in not so long. ~

Headings
Please, you should not start all of your comments with a heading. If you are responding to someone, please don't use a heading and use colons at the start of the line to indent your text. You can sign your comments with four waves. ( ~ ) -- 09:44, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Why the large scale image replacement?
Granted, some of the original images were of questionable quality; but the new image should at least be uploaded under the original file name. Is there a naming convention discussion someplace that I missed? If not, it looks like you uploading new images just for the sake of bragging rights of using your own images. And in the process, leaving a large number of orphaned images cluttering up the database unused because your new copies aren't even under the same file name as the originals. --161.88.255.140 15:44, 18 May 2006 (CDT)


 * The template, wherever you conjured it up, is way out of proportion. If you decided to take the Weapons template and expand on it, that is not a decision one person makes. On another note, your images are indeed unnecessary. I have contacted PanSola to oversee this and get his opinion on it. Despite if your work is intended for good, there are certain rules as to which we adhere to so things do not get out of hand. Please read How to help if you haven't already. --Gares Redstorm 15:53, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Ok that's enough...
Ok I'll just revert to back all change i made here, sorry to bother all of u. I'm just TOO bored of getting all bad comments, I pick up MY time to help this, now its over. Tried to make things beautifuller, keep your old image, just tried to make things look bettter, but it seem i can't get even a thank you. Sorry I'm out of this experience, there's too much competition... Cya


 * No one is saying that changes are not needed. In some cases, new images are needed.  I can also agree that the information boxes can use upgrading.  However, changing the information boxes should be discussed first, to ensure the community agrees with the changes, and fine-tunes any part of it that's not agreed to.  Not long ago, the skill boxes had a half-dozen or so formats that were voted on by the community BEFORE any changes were made to the skill articles themselves.  Also, it's common practice to either use existing images if they are of adequate quality, or to upload new images under the existing file names if the quality is questionable.  Uploading new images of the same item under a new file name makes it too difficult to compare multiple versions of the image, and creates excess clutter in the database.
 * In short, it's not your intentions that I questioned; it's your process of making changes of this type without first getting community agreement to major formatting changes, and your process of ignoring existing files and file names in preference of your own new ones, regardless of the quality of the originals. --161.88.255.140 16:12, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

I just don't mind..
Here I'm just gonna come here to get info, and not to put them however. If I could delete Watterly account, I should do it. I do not want to help this anymore, I was just updating things, now everything I did has been earased. Be happy please, make your own pages now. I'm definetly not going to help anymore, and not going to read "my talk" page. I'm gonna come here to see how much you can make better. Now, I'm going.
 * I'm sorry you've chosen to leave rather than participate in the community. I'm just a regular contributor myself (not an admin), but I do hate to see people leave when they didn't get to know the place first.
 * I have little doubt that at least some of the changes you proposed would be adopted if discussed first. Some may not, some only with changes.  Note: participating does NOT mean you get your way every time.  I've had different opinions from other contributors, and even one or two of the admins before; but I go with what the community agrees.
 * For little changes it's relatively minor to make edits. For major revisions that changes or creates the design/layout of information on a large number of pages, discussion first is generally the preferred method.  It's up to the community to agree.  I'm sorry you've chosen not to participate in that community. --161.88.255.140 16:28, 18 May 2006 (CDT)