User talk:Xasxas25616711

Archive 1 25 October 2005 to 29 November 2006 Archive 2 30 November 2006 to 3rd June 2008

Hiya
Even though you are not particularly active anymore, I would still like you to comment on User:Entropy/bureaucrat if you so wish. I was expecting a little bit more attention from the general public, so now I'd like at least all the sysops to chime in. After all, those are the people it most directly affects. If you're indifferent then I apologize for spam, and if you're busy I'm sorry for giving more work...nevertheless I desire your comments. (T/C) 05:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No dramas. I'm probably on more than you'd expect but when I look at the RC it seems to be a lot of random user talk which I'm not involved in. The user base has matured, there's not very many new users to help out these days and it seems like people make less editing mistakes. The content filter is back on but the GWiki has remained unblocked so I presume I'll be able to continue to access the site indefinitely at work, or until I change jobs. I did have a look at that when you first wrote it but I'll add it to my watchlist (what's one more when there's already 1000 in the list!) and hopefully I'll have some time to fully read over it and comment later in the day. --Xasxas256 02:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, eyes in the sky are always useful against vandals and such...and checking in without editing is better than not checking in at all. :) While there are still a lot of mistakes to fix when you look for them, I can understand how it must feel after a long absence. Even though I've never taken quite such long absence, I can attest for how much GuildWiki has changed since I first joined long time ago... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't post anything, the discussion didn't ever seem to be going anywhere nasty and I could see that your decision was probably going to be predictable. I'm not sure that Auron's skills of "telling it like it is" is actually very useful here, I'd suggest diplomacy is preferable for the role, in a way a bureaucrat is the unofficial community relations manager of the wiki. Anyway there's probably more I could say but I think there's been enough said about the position already. I'm not speaking out against your choices, as I said earlier they were straight forward and I have no problems with either appointment, just a comment that it's important to be careful and not to let your judgement be clouded by friendships and in particular off wiki interactions I don't know if I agreed with all of your reasoning even if the decision itself was agreeable. --Xasxas256 02:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

hi
Hello. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey! Had a big long weekend, for those of us in the Commonwealth and living it Victoria it was Queens Birthday holiday on Monday. Went up to Winton raceway for a track day, still buzzing now! You're probably not that interested in hearing about it (and probably nobody else here is either) so I won't harp on but yeah, good fun! :) Life's good although the bank account is a bit worse for wear (and about to get even worse still!) I virtually don't game these days but after last weekend I really don't miss it. --Xasxas256 02:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, Queen Lizzie is still useful for something. :) --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 03:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually had to Google that, I've never heard of the Queen referred to as 'Queen Lizzie' before! Still I'm perfectly happy with the current arrangement although I'm not opposed to the idea of Australia becoming a republic either but we should remain a part of the Commonwealth. Gives us a better chance of in the pool without those pesky American swimmers around! --Xasxas256 04:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I really feel like there should be a "Cheerio!" or a "Tally hoe!" or a "Chim chimney chim chim cheroo!" after this..."&mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 04:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I cannot believe that Entropy is quitting, I hope it isn't permanent. I cannot help but think that this is a case of the bad guys winning. I remember a while ago looking at some Barnstars on Wikipedia and looking at some of the uploaders of interesting images that Wikipedia must be a terrible place to contribute. From the very small cross section I've looked at it would appear that an enormous proportion of the original, idealistic and most prolific members have quit in disgust and frustration at both the actions (or lack thereof) from administration and the behaviour that users are allowed to get away with. I wonder if that's what we've got to look forward to here. --Xasxas256 04:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "I've never heard of the Queen referred to as 'Queen Lizzie' before!", I say with great affection, monarchist or republican, you can't fault her work ethic! And yeah, it doesn't hurt to have a foot in both camps. I for one, nearly walked from GuildWiki (details here), if we not make a stand, then sadly yes, most likely. --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 04:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Eh
If you're fully opposed to the decision, you could ask KyleH to demote Auron and R, or just R, or just Auron. You could even get a petition. &mdash; Warw/Wick 11:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think people want an explanation more than they want a demotion... Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 11:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think Auron has set a very dangerous precedent here, if he continues to act in the current fashion then I will ask for him to be stood down. If I was given some assurance that his behaviour in future will be different then I'd only be too happy for him to continue on as a bureaucrat. But I think the only thing he wanted to do differently was to not have an RFA at all! To me this is a giant step backwards for the GWiki. The people may have changed here but I still firmly believe that the old ideals are still valid. I'm sorry to speak like a relic but I don't see why a bureaucrat can promote whomever they like, without explanation and expect the community to accept it. Going purely on your own judgement and not listening to the opinions of others is poor leadership to me.


 * This no longer relates to the matter at hand and is more general but a bureaucrat is basically a judge right? A judge requires a certain amount of subtlety and delicacy when dealing with some matters. A judge may also need to be firm and uncompromising on other occasions, Auron's got too much of the latter and not enough of the former. Sometimes the decision itself isn't really that important, because it's a small matter or perhaps both sides have equally valid arguments, but what is important is that both parties feel that they got a fair hearing. If you deliver the decision in a brash manner then you look egotistical and the losing party will always be unhappy and you become a poorer judge for it. Even if a different judge reached the same decision, if they judge carefully listened to both parties then at least there's a chance that the losing party will feel satisfied that they got a fair hearing. I don't think Auron understands this, from what I've observed, he places to much emphasis on the decision itself and that the ends justifies the means. I like that Auron's beliefs are strong but in this case I cannot agree with him at all, someone will have to make a decision here.


 * Bureaucrats don't really do that much, their main job is to decide who should be promoted or demoted and arbcomm decisions, it's quite a specific role. So if I call for him to step down, it's really not as much of a slight as you'd first think. But the position is very important symbolically and that's one of the reasons I have high expectations of our bureaucrats.


 * In answer to your original question May, I'll see what JediRogue and PanSola say first, I'd like to think that this can be sorted out ourselves, with the people and policies we have. --Xasxas256 13:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As an aside, I watched No Country for Old Men yesterday; I loved the casting, loved the scenery and feel of the film and I got totally drawn right into it. But I didn't like overall it because I didn't enjoy the ending. --Xasxas256 13:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Pushing the 'Crats
Hi Xasxas, I've read your latest comment on PanSola's talk page. I have so far avoided on complimenting you for taking a stance in the Auron matter because, to be honest, I feel that some community members still feel I have a personal thing with Auron, and I wanted to avoid any appearance that we might be in collusion on that and damaging your position. That said, I was very happy (and still am) that you took a vocal stand on some of the issues I've raised; it helped clarify to me and perhaps to others that it's not all just in my mind. In part because of these considerations (i.e. my effectiveness in regard to my standing in the community) I was hesitant to push the matter further; you were in a better position to do that, and you did, so thank you!

I also feel your contributions are very well written; certainly better than mine. If that is your "greatest failing as a sysop" you excel at this job! PanSola manages to write a very distanced, impersonal style when the occasion arises, which is admirable, but I'm glad not every admin writes like that. I'm glad PanSola does, though. --◄mendel► 09:52, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it. I think I should mention somewhere that I never posted on R.Phalange's talk page because I figured their sysoption wouldn't last. If R.Phalange never intended to reveal their past identity then the RFA was a bit silly, they should have known that it'd never be successful. If they knew that Auron was going to give them a leg up behind everybody's back (including the other 2 bureaucrats) when they chose not to reveal themselves, then I consider it to be deceitful to share that information with Auron alone. Despite the fact that I largely agree with what PanSola has said why is the conclusion that there should be no consequences for the two parties involved? Does this mean we should give any GWW sysops sysop rights here as well without question? What other wikis do we also accept? PvX? Other Wikia wikis? Friends of Auron's on wikis with no ties whatsoever?


 * There's another thing I've been meaning to say so I'll write it now while I'm at it. I wouldn't want a robot to be a bureaucrat, even if I was told that it always makes the correct decisions. I wouldn't trust that, who says it's always right? How do I know? I want to see the cogs ticking in a bureaucrats head, some of the decisions they have to make are tough, I want think that they struggle with these things a little, tough decisions are meant to be tough. A bureaucrat that shouts down verdicts like they're commandments, set it stone and not to be questioned loses credibility to me. How can someone, without consultation or discussion decide that we're in dire need of more good sysops, go with some conversations they've had with a person and the edits they've made on another wiki, ignore the edits they've made to this actual wiki (let's face it, R.Phalange's edits are pretty ordinary and not sysop worthy) and just promote them and not feel the need to explain this?


 * I'm asking a lot of rhetorical questions which is not something I normally do but I'm a little shaken. I'm not sure what my next step is if no warnings or sanctions come out of this. To me it would mean that the principals this wiki was built on no longer stand. We always used discussion to decide things like a whether or not we're in dire need of sysops and a candidate's worth of sysoption. It wasn't left in the hands of one rogue bureaucrat. So many of the old sysops and bureaucrats left because there wasn't enough transparency from the administration, this secret sysop business would never have stood. If the overwhelming majority feels that they can blindly follow Auron or any other bureaucrat because "they are usually right", without demanding input in the way their wiki is run and without demanding accountability when a bureaucrat messes up then I either we haven't explained ourselves well enough or I don't think I can identify very well with the community any more. I can see the more meaningless aspects of RFAs, I can see that R.Phalange might be a good sysop here but I still think that some of the actions and ethos shown recently are fundamentally wrong. I'm probably being a bit melodramatic here as there have been a number of people who've spoken up and voiced their objections but at this stage it looks like nothing is going to come of this. I haven't heard JediRogue's take on the matter so I guess I'll have to wait until she has her say before I'm allowed to get melodramatic again. --Xasxas256 14:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been endeavoring to keep out of the Auron debates because I can't trust my temper, but I would like you to know that you are not alone. There are still many people who believe that honesty, equality, justice, and compassion are fundamental- not only to keep this community alive, but to truly succeed in anything. Thank you for all you've said and done to uphold those values. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 14:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm in this boat too. When you made your first post to Auron's talkpage, I was struggling to write a conter-response to Auron's reply to my post.  You said everything I'd been trying to say, and then some.  I'm behind you if you decide we need to continue pushing this issue - Auron shouldn't get off with just a warning.  He's a bcrat on two other wikis already, so he should know better than to abuse his powers like this.  Wanting to help the wiki is one thing, but alienating the community while doing so is self-destructive.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)