User talk:Dr ishmael/Archive 7

Low Rez Armor...
&rarr; Moved to GuildWiki talk:Style and formatting/Armor/Art gallery

Effects are now skills?
Please have a look at User_talk:TulipVorlax; you're the one who knows about these things. -- ◄mendel► 07:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Your User Page
Sorry if im doing this wrong, im new as of about 30 minutes ago. I was looking at your main page, of characters, and was wondering on how I can get a template or something to help make it look very similar to how you have it set-up. If I could get your help, id appreciate it. X Jstn X 16:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The simplest way is to just copy my page, then modify it however you want. One thing to look out for is wherever you see double curly braces around something, like , that's calling a template.  If it's calling a template in my userspace, like  , you'll need to change it to your userspace instead.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the skill costs

 * Skill points are used to buy skills from skill trainers. Each skill costs one skill point and a certain amount of money. The first skill purchased costs 50, and the price increases gradually up to a cap of 1 on the 20th skill.

I've read four different game guide explanation of the costs and they are all horribly confusing. This is the first one I've read that makes a simple thing read simply. Nice job.

Also, thanks for the other re-wording (esp. since you fixed the #s; I could only copy what was there before). Thanks! --Tennessee Ernie Ford 23:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

ohai (Sysop question)
Hi there :)

For the last while I've been trying to learn more about this site and was wondering something. Would you be able to try to help me grasp the level of understanding of coding Sysops are required to have?

I'll understand if you can't be bothered or don't have the time, just thought you'd be the best one to ask. --> Suicidal Tendencie 12:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Just basic wikicode that you learn in 3 days? I still don't know how over 3/4 of all the cool stuff works :D --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  13:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, so there's not an Ishy level req? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 13:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Hope he doesn't mind me calling him that...
 * Not at all. Most of us are pretty clueless still. :P [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC for no reason, at all) Hm... so... Ishy if he does mind I'm in for it now... + Mendel, anyone else I havn't noticed? :P --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 13:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC) something strange is going on...
 * Oh c'mon... surely 2 people aren't responsable for about 90% of whatever happens when I click a button? WTB Moar Techies :) --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 13:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Warwick's pretty good, PanSola is proficient, Wizboy can do them too, I think, just call up some pages in Template: namespace and see who did them. Or call up Forum:Coding and see who signed. (Though I guess we can delete that section now?) -- ◄mendel► 13:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * lol, once again, ty Mendel --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 14:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Opinion needed
User_talk:RoseOfKali. Thanks. RoseOfKali 16:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * *points at status box* >.> &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry. ^_^ Just posted with some people I knew. Enjoy RL. ;) though, you did notice this rather quickly... 8-)  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 19:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably has email notifications of talk turned on... which reminds me, I have "send email to the Dr" on my to-do-list... sigh. -- ◄mendel► 20:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Recruit for chicken army?
http://cocknbull.net/2009/02/09/cock-and-bull-name/ -- ◄mendel► 20:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Me awards j00 please?
For you. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by La Marisa (talk &bull; contribs) 22:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC).
 * This wiki seems to be GuildWiki, not GWW Random Time  01:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And Marisa is a few years too late. ;-) -- ◄mendel► 04:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * *snicker* Miiiiiiine, all mine....  Jink  20:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

...wait, what? o.O? Who are you and what are you doing on my talk page? &mdash;Dr Ishmael 23:42, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Your lover? :O La Marisa 03:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Now that's the funniest thing I've heard all night XD Jink  04:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think Ishy has some explaining to do.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]îğá†ħŕášħ 05:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Your just jealous of him Jink. Also, I'll see you tonight with some bubbly, ishy ;) La Marisa 05:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * LMAO! He's my husband. XD  Jink  11:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't date women who fail at contractions, sorry. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 13:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait and see how you'll be doing when Jink's contractions set in... ;-P -- ◄mendel► 14:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well yeah, but she won't be failing at them. :P &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Your still jealous Jink. By the way... Liek mah troll? :D La Marisa 03:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC) Gotta love my troll. Sorry, couldn't help it. Velico 03:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, yeah... who are you again? &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * *is still laughing at the fail* Jink  04:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Entropy [[Image:Entropy Sig 2.jpg]] (C) 04:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this "troll" is being quite effective at starving himself/herself. ;) Jink  12:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Help on my title pages
hello, sorry but I'm going to steal your time once again. I updated my title page this morning here, but it won't update on my character page here. and on the titles page, down at the bottom i get this message "Expression error: Unexpected < operator", even though that part of the page was just copied and pasted from the Title List template. your help will be appreciated! 22:19, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you forgot to get rid of the last ) --JonTheMon 22:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * rah-ha! thanks!, still have that weird redt text error deal though... ShoganKiller 23:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed a parenthesis that was messing up your code on your titles page, then null edit on the character's page fixed the red error text. :D -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   Isk8   (T/C) 23:09, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ty for your help guys, now i just have my sig issue, but i think i can get that on me own ShoganKiller 00:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ok guys, this is starting to piss me off, everytime i edit a page that is linked to another page by the means of those types of brackets, the page (such as my user pages) dont update the linked part of the page, is this an IE bug or somthing? because this has never happened before... ShoganKiller 15:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * moving this to the bug page... ShoganKiller 15:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You may just need to purge both the inclusion and the page that contains it (Ctrl+F5 on both, plus a couple extra minutes and refresh again, usually works). Other than that, I've never seen this problem.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 04:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hiya, help?
Hey ishmael, since you're a [PRO]grammer, I ask you: we have some problems over at Template:Armor art gallery trying to implement the "without helmet" thing. I tried my best, but there's a really bitchy issue with the line-breaks. Can you look at my revisions and try to retrace and see what I did there? Before 10th August it was almost right but with that line-break issue I tinkered around for over an hour, just to split the images up in the end. However Kali doesn't like it, so maybe you find a way to fix it? -- Taki Fujiko  04:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the reason was for the other edits on the page, but you broke the Clipping parameter at some point (you changed it to display for some reason), and the changes you made to the "Profile" text aren't working.  To make this easy, I'm going to roll back all your changes to un-break both of those, then add back only the "nohelmet" stuff, then I'll try to see what's wrong.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and now I think I see the problem - you were adding two new table cells outside of the table you wanted them in. Of course that's going to look goofy.  I'll have it fixed in a jiffy.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * *watches as the Doc blows up RC* Jink  05:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Teehee. Quote from Tonight's History Detectives Episode, spoofed:  "Suddenly, EXPLOSION!  Hip-hop!  Everyone died.  Tonight on the evening news."--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]îğá†ħŕášħ  05:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's been a while since I've done that. :P I've been away too long, I totally didn't think of switching to my bot account for that.
 * Taki, it should be fixed now. The reason for the RC-bustin' was I changed your "nohelmet" parm to "Nohelmet", in keeping with the title-case nature of all the other parameter names on that template.  Let me know if you need any other help!  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 05:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :D RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you Dr. --[[Image:Takisig2.png]] 16:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

hiya
hey i was looking at that file with ur picture as a necro with the mask of the mo zing and was wondering if it clipps the mask with the armor "asurian armor"? just ummm edit mab the thing and say it there thnx &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.142.133.58 (contribs).


 * If you look at the "Summary" section on the image page, you'll see that I didn't upload those pictures originally - I just re-uploaded them to the correct filenames. I don't have a necro with the Mo Zing mask, so I wouldn't know.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 03:32, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Test version of Cootle Sizzlehorn
Hey Dr Ishmael, I was wondering if you still need/are using Cootle Sizzlehorn/Test version. If not, I'll delete it. Thanks-- (Talk) (Contr.) 19:51, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn, I was going to ask the same question Random Time  18:57, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I deleted it because a) it's orphaned (I edited MP47's post above to make it so), b) Dr Ishmael is inactive at present, and c) if he decides he does need it when he becomes active again, he can undelete it himself. -- ◄mendel► 20:04, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Hunter's Ale is not an "Alcohol Point", it is "Alcohol"
Good catch. I think this was an artifact of the original organization, which grouped things according to which title they, erm, abetted. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 04:56, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
That is all. Lazuli 04:34, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Try not to hit the ether too hard. ;) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:25, October 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Happy birthday, Bot Ishy ;) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  12:27, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy Birthday :-) A_F_K_sig_2.jpg A F K When Needed 12:54, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Bippy Harthday! Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 15:17, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * С Днём Варенья, RC Bot-man Ishy! RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 16:12, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy birfday. &mdash; Balistic 16:15, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! And what's my birthday present? A wonderful, wet, rainy day. Bleh. -_- &mdash;Dr Ishmael  17:38, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Here you go - Birthday Cupcake.png]] [[File:A_F_K_sig_2.jpg A F K When Needed 17:51, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Harpy blithday! I buyed you a microwave oven, but I eated it :3 [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:01, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm... thanks? I hope you don't get any indigestion? o.O  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:16, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy Birthday! <--took 5mins to work up the courage to write this. Also, nice job on the miniatures page(moving the frogs to their own section), it make more sense now. Chibi Moon Shadow 19:31, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 19:38, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Transmog Tonic
Actually, I've seen it too. Right after using the tonic, sometimes (but not always) your character will do one /clap. There's also something similar in the Costume Brawl. When entering the outpost or battle, your character will perform one emote over and over (different for each profession and gender) until you move for the first time. I think it has something to do with humanoid disguises in general. You never notice it with other tonics because, well, they have no emotes. --Macros 15:11, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, the emote Livia does in the Costume Brawl is /clap, too... suspicious. --Macros 15:17, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm. Like I said in the summary, I've never noticed it myself.  I'll watch more closely today - I'm expecting the next quest to become available, and we'll probably have to use tonics to enter the UW again, so I'll have plenty of chances to see it.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:27, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just saw it on one of my wife's characters. Seems to be pretty rare, though.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:55, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * That IP you reverted was actually me. :P And I've seen it clap up to 3 times in a row after transforming. You worded it better. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 01:27, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Maybe I'm just blind, but I still can't remember ever seeing my characters do that.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 02:11, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Having a baby does that to a person.... Jink  23:16, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * With a cartoony stream of pee to the eye [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:44, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * Cartoony? Oh, those things are very much real and wet... I'd still pick the eye over the more concave parts of the face. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:09, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, I had it worse than that. A couple weeks after we brought her home, she made a mess on the changing pad while Jink was changing her.  Jink called me in to hold the naked baby while she put a new pad on the table... and she pooped all down my front and onto the floor.  -_-  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 00:53, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * After I stopped laughing, I feel sorry for you. ^_^ RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 12:38, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

The kind of person who...
This is the kind of person who refers to TEF as, Ernie. ;-)

PS Good Every Bit Helps edit; seemed like the least we could do is explain how to complete it 1x. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 23:38, October 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * As I said in the summary, that was my intent. Either repeat the single Skeleton capture 3x, or use a solo farm to get 3 at once.  I had actually written that before I knew it was repeatable, thus I couldn't have intended that to be relevant for completing the quest more than once.
 * And if people want to call you Ernie, then they're gonna call you Ernie. Fighting it only makes it worse, as I found out long ago.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 02:24, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Glovebox
User_talk:RoseOfKali/Mesmer_gloves: can I take you up on that template offer? :) I've gotten around to taking a bunch of the missing screens, working on formatting them now and will upload them as they're ready. RoseOfKali 15:30, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do. Someone will have to create a "No Image Available" for gloves, my image manipulation skills aren't good enough for that.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:59, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Since this is being templated now, I standardized the image names to match the existing conventions. The changes I made were "armor" &rarr; "Armor" and "gloves dyed" &rarr; "dyed gloves".  I moved all existing images that I could find, including the ones you just uploaded.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 17:42, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, tyvm, I'm glad I took a break before spam-uploading. ^_^ You're the best. ;) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:35, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, by the way, wasn't "armor" supposed to be lowercase? Or is it uppercase just for images, but lowercase for the actual armor article titles? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:40, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * We changed it for articles but left it on the images, since there would've been a whole fudge-ton (prolly close to 1,000) images to re-upload. Now that we can simply move images it wouldn't be nearly as annoying to do, but there isn't really a need for it.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:00, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Understood. TY. :) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:41, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

RoF stubby
The reason it was still a stub was because technically it's a stub since there's no NF trainer listed. It's better in that respect than a few other skills, though, because it IS actually possible to figure out where it is (and inevitably find out it's Kamadan probably anyway :P ) by having a Prophecies character get monk primary or secondary and not do the Protection Prayers quest, then go to Kamadan. There's a few that ARE physically impossible to get though, should be in the Category:Need Factions Skill Trainer or Category:Need Nightfall Skill Trainer --Gimmethegepgun 01:49, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, right, I keep forgetting about those. I've always thought that they shouldn't be called stubs, though, as they are actually nearly complete articles (a stub is an article with very minimal content that needs to be expanded).  This is more of a "needs research" situation.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 02:03, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. For simplicity, especially since essentially every skill, if not every skill, is beyond a stub state, we should just change the text of to say it needs research or something --Gimmethegepgun 02:11, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, imo. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 02:13, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Wondering if you can do some bot magic.
So you know how for like four years we've been reverting people who add Ruby and Sapphire to creature drop pages because every creature in the game has a chance of dropping them? Well apparently, they don't. See here.

So I was wondering if you could whip up a script that would give us a list of every article that's got Ruby (Rubies) or Sapphire in the edit summaries somewhere, just as a starting point for adding them in. 20:44, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Well, there goes that bit of conventional wisdom, *POOF* =O
 * Wouldn't it be better to use GWW:Category:Drops sapphire and GWW:Category:Drops ruby as starting points? It seems like they've been documenting this for a while already, so those are probably pretty complete.  I don't know how much we'd really want to trust the edit histories here in any case, given how likely it is that at least a few people would've added sapphire/ruby to random monsters just to be silly.  But if you insist, I'll see what I can do - Mendel's better at dealing with the wiki dumps, although I haven't seen him being very active lately.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:19, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that since no one's gonna go and look at a specific monster page in order to figure out if it drops Rubies/Sapphires, we should just make a list of what CAN drop it in the respective pages. Even though it's not even "most", it would still be the most expansive category in GW history, so it wouldn't do much good for finding something anyway. Just rob them of the list from the categories and put it into a list that's actually helpful :P --Gimmethegepgun 00:25, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose those are both better ideas than mine, I just wanted to do something special and hi-tech. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:09, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * @Gimme: True, but who's going to look at a specific monster to see if it drops, say, linen? Yet we still list that, and all other crafting materials, on individual monster pages, so I don't see why we shouldn't list rubies/sapphires.  As far as being "the most expansive category in GW history," I actually looked at the history of both the ruby and sapphire articles to see what people had listed in the past (before we replaced the list with an "everything can drop this" note).  With only a couple exceptions, everything that had been listed is now listed in GWW's drop categories.  I'm starting to realize that these gems aren't nearly as widespread as everyone thought they were.
 * @Felix: *patpat*, 's okay. I would've started working on that immediately if it weren't for the strong likelihood of false positives.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 01:42, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Be careful, doctah!
You're Searing a hole in my Heart! :P --Gimmethegepgun 20:43, November 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * XD Y'know, I actually made the same mistake and corrected it on Savannah Heat right above that. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:48, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

.dat extraction
What does .dat extraction involve. Is it easy and where can you link me to more information. yours demandingly,  Random  Time   22:34, November 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's not. Here is a list of the programs I use for gw.dat extraction (both texture and text), and here is the technique I use for viewing inaccessible skills in-game.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:12, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * I've summarized it all, with some extra info, all on one page. Eventually I'll write my own guide for using CheatEngine, too.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 03:21, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Thank You
For putting the post by that piece of shit in its place. ... I swear, whoever posted that...I want to punch them...HARD.   rede | beiträge 02:37, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. Incidentally, I can program in C++, which I know isn't too different form C#, and I would love to dig deeper into gw.exe to figure stuff out.  I actually had the idea a few years ago to try and work up a chat logging program for GW (mostly for my wife, who has (at last count) 17 folders full of screenshots logging all of her RP sessions), but never got anywhere with it.  So if you're still recruiting for the project, I'd love to help.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 03:20, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure. Incidentally, I lost my original code that I was working with when I lost a HDD.  I only remembered it when that prick put something up.  Maybe we can do it in C++, like a portable Qt frontend for server settings and whatnot.  Considering Qt comes out-of-the-box with its own networking libraries, which I have yet to dig into, our dependence on external libraries and whatnot should be nil...which is good, because Qt does not make importing external libraries easy, the only real flaw I've found with it.  [[Image:RHSig.jpg]] rede | beiträge 21:30, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Quetzal
The edit. But at least it was definitely broken! :P  ***EAGLEMUT***   T  A  L K 18:22, November 27, 2009 (UTC)