User talk:PanSola/Faction (LAFT)

Here are the maximum points for all of the mesmer related things. (version 0.07) Some are very large compared to others, some fixing might be required. -- 06:52, 18 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Primary PvE 12 months old = 1 200
 * 100% x2 explored = 1260
 * All mesmer runes unlocked = 140
 * 25 missions + bonuses = 98
 * 13 missions at master level = 106
 * Final Assault + Titan quests = 20
 * All FoW quests = 55
 * All FoW quests in the same run = 2048
 * All UW quests = 50
 * All Reaper quests in the same run = 2560
 * All Lyssa quests = N/A
 * All Lyssa quests in the same run = N/A
 * 3 core armor sets, 4 Prophecies and 4 Factions armor sets = 26
 * 4 Ascended Prophecies armor sets + 4 Ascended Factions armor sets = 90
 * Full Obsidian armor set = 100
 * All mesmer green items = ???
 * All mesmer skills = ???


 * The much higher award for Exploration (than missions) is intentional, consider how hard it is (relatively) for a Mesmer to explore the world. Missions on the other hand are much simpler (might be hard to get into PuGs, but most missions, including THK, can actually be henched).  Besides, missions are kinda "required", or at least easier to fulfill so more ppl will do it.  Whereas there is less motivation for a mesmer to explore ("I'll just explore with my Warrior instead").
 * For Prophecies, there are only 12 Mission/Bonus pairs (and one lone mission?), so it's 120.
 * UW is intentionally higher than FoW because the UW quests (most of them) are much harder compared to the FoW quests. While each of hte UW quests individually might be beaten with less effort, using one single team build to dominate the entire UW is much more diffcult compared to finishing all the FoW quests.
 * Obsidian max is 100, not 28. regular armor arts are relatively much easier to acquire than ascended, so there is an intentional huge gap.
 * Between Adventure and Equipment I might scale them to be closer though.

--PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 07:02, 18 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Obsidian armor points corrected. I calculated 1 point for each unit, not 10. UW and FoW points are almost the same as there are only 9 Reaper quests but 11 FoW quests, which is fine by me. (UW is easy to clear fully with 55hp+SS & 3 trappers & mesmers against the necro's in the bonepits) What do you mean by only 12 mission/bonus pairs in Prophecies? Did you mean Factions? The title says 13, I trusted it. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 07:19, 18 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Blah, I'm simply counting prophecies stuff wrong. Anyways, I nerfed the exploration points quite a bit, and buffed equipment points. Still experimenting. --PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 07:33, 18 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Ok, balance between Factions and Prophecies missions is kinda acheived by a major nerf bat on pre-ascension missions. -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 07:43, 18 May 2006 (CDT)


 * They would be exactly the same if Ascension was 5 points instead of 1. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 08:24, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Thanks, updated -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 08:46, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * But you changed the Canthan mission point system too so again they are again not the same. :D --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png|User:Gem]] 09:39, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Well, Ascension and Napui Quarters should be equal. Or maybe Napui Quarters can have more points.  Lemme see how to balance it... -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 09:40, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

You have too much free time on your hands.
n/t. :P --Bishop (rap|con) 08:43, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * It started small and just kept growing ^^" -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 08:46, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I can't deny my Mesmer his unyielding lust to wreak havoc on the minds of man! He so detests playing with these feeble monsters that bow before him within seconds of his presence! [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C)  09:14, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Shield Questions
For Vizunah Square and Unwaking Waters, they have two sides. If I do the mission once from one side, do I also receive swords on the other shield? or do I need to do the mission from the other side too to get swords on the other shield? -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 09:47, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Vizunah is unique in that you cannot do it on both sides. The foreign quarters is for foreigners (people coming over from Prophocies), and the local is for factions characters.  As for Talk:Unwaking Waters, yes, you do need to do it for both sides for them to show. [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C)  10:13, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Actually I just read the foreign one does open up for Canthans, though much later than ppl would expect... so most ppl don't think to go back and check.  Can anyone doublecheck on this rumor? -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 10:33, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * As a Chanta character you can enter both mission points, but they count as one mission. If you have it done in the foreign quater you get the also the sword for the local quater. And I had entered the foreign quater very early, I was in a group with a Tyrian character and we get all in the foreign quater, not like the Tyrian don't get in the local quater.--Trilo 11:03, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Yeah I just checked you can get there but it displays the results of your completion to the Local Quarter. Not sure when it was unlocked but I remember I wasn't able to go there before. [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C)  11:20, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I have done the mission with my cantha char in the foreign quarter, because my guildmates played their tyrian chars. So there can't be a mission for unlocking the foreign quarter for cantha chars, maybe a quest. --Trilo 11:39, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Doubt there is, the guard always says "This is for students of the Shing Jea Monastary" or something to the extent. [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C) 11:44, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Major buff for inventory-related factions
Consider inventory is a very limiting factor, I added exponentiating combos to compound inventory-related factions. -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 12:11, 18 May 2006 (CDT)

Assassin Elite cappin
The only problem with assassin atm is Assassin's Promise is uncappable in PvE, I have every other elite capped and all the regular skills. So would the assassin apply the attribute line bonus (for deadly arts) in that case? Considering my assassin character has every obtainable skill. Also I think assassins are more hated then mesmers right now. --Draygo Korvan 12:22, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Sorry you'll need Assassin's Promise, no compromise there. d-: -PanSola, LAFTable (sing) 12:25, 18 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Just saying its currently impossible =P. My assassin is an Assassin/Mesmer, I enjoy being really hated. --Draygo Korvan 12:27, 18 May 2006 (CDT)