User talk:Sefre/Build Wipe Petition

ugh
There has been a discussion. It's been discussed for months. It didn't get resolved. As such, wipe. –Ichigo724 10:59, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 * So your saying that for example a building needs a electric system replaced. And owners argue about what kind and the costs, other issues. So the best answer is to demolish it and rebuild? That seems to be the answer with build wipe--Sefre  [[Image:Sefresig.jpg|15px|]] 17:31, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Except, to follow your analogy, it would be like a building that hasn't been renovated in 150 years, has mold everywhere, exposed asbestos, crumbling supports, etc.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Yaaaay.png|19px]] 19:36, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Is not the build section functioning at this moment? It has flaws but no crumbling supports, it works in a non perfect state at the moment but that can be remedied by ways other then restarting...... Either way, this belongs on the build wipe page.--Sefre  [[Image:Sefresig.jpg|15px|]] 20:09, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Is the build section functioning now? No. It's failing now, and it has been failing for quite a while. When it started failing, Tanaric made the build: namespace, so when it got to an intolerable level of failure, he/they could simply remove it. People got the wrong idea, started making stuff up like "omg the build section exists bcos its so popular!11!" and missed the entire point of the section. Now that we're carrying the original plan out, people are reacting poorly because they never understood the original plan. Now, whining about it is just a waste of time, and is definitely not helping anything. If you want the build section, you're going to have to work for it; help create the new policy (effective, working policy) and you'll have a build section. If people just whine... it'll never get done. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 21:26, 3 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Talk of other ways have been in discussion for months. Every single attempt has fizzled out.  Even the currently discussed alternate build section methodologies (GW:NOB and GW:PNB) were first proposed back in December, and those languished with no progress until the build wipe was announced.   While a build wipe can be considered rather draconian, it seems to have been the only thing that has managed to result in progress on any changes to the hopelessly flawed system in place now.  Actions such as this page do more to delay progress on those alternatives and preserve the status quo rather than actually fixing anything.  Ideally, I would like to see some method in place before the wipe - but the fact is that with the current method in place, none of the proposed fixes have made any progress.  The threat of removal has finally accomplished what has been otherwise impossible to achieve; namely: progress on defining a new builds documentation process.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:30, 3 April 2007 (CDT)