GuildWiki talk:Suggestions/Youtube and Screenshot links

The reason not to index YouTube videos is that they're not useful. The resolution is too low to give more than a vague idea of what is going on. If you don't already know how to do the mission before seeing the video, it may give you even less than a vague idea of what the video is showing.

As for a screenshot index, how would this differ from the current system of simply putting screenshots on the page where they're useful? Quizzical 21:39, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * People put youtube videos up, so they must find them useful for something. They might be even more useful if the author (or someone else in the know) explained on our wiki what was going on. This added value would drive users looking for videos to our wiki at same point. (It might also drive youtube-style comments to our wiki, which would be a drawback. But I digress.)


 * Youtube videos could be useful for documenting in-game animations (e.g. emotes) and the general looks of an area in lieu of using a vast number of screenshots.


 * There are many screenshots for locations, and only one or two are ever included in any article. Example: Recently, Vipermagi was looking for the place for User_talk:Vipermagi, and the only way to find it was to look for it in-game. A screenshot gallery might have enabled him to narrow it down using wiki resources. We have more screenshots than mainspace articles. This could be a strength. Why not organize them? --◄mendel► 21:54, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Most of the time, the people who put up the links to the Youtube videos are also the people who created the Youtube videos, and they're simply spam-linking their video everywhere so they can increase their view count and feel important. I agree with Quizzical that Youtube videos in general are not very useful.  I have seen some where the video author included screens of text with explanations/comments, but they are few and far between.
 * As for screenshots, I'd estimate that at least half of those are pictures of users' characters, chat logs, or other such images that would not be at all useful to mainspace articles. The majority of the usefulscreenshots are already linked on the relevant pages - if they weren't, they'd show up on Special:Unusedimages.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If we encouraged people to, they'd probably post screenshots of "see, I beat this mission". Some people already post text saying about as much in mission talk pages, without saying anything meaningful about how they beat the mission.  But that wouldn't be any more useful than YouTube videos.  Quizzical 22:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Randomtime! &rarr; Remember the Gate of Madness video? It showed exactly "they'd probably post screenshots of "see, I beat this mission"", as you mentioned above. But that's all. It was utterly pointless. You could see he used PS, 3 Hero Monks and SoJ. And what else? Who knows... --- -- (s)talkpage  23:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 95%+ of all videos on youtube about GW are runs/farming. All you need to see is them aggroing, or maybe how to time SQ/Obs flesh correctly or whatever. There's hardly any strategy involved, and that's not the case for missions. Also, the video would probably contain very specific builds- which we discourage listing on pages, why put them in a video? Screenshots could be useful... but easily abused. --Shadowcrest 05:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * 95% - well, then there's a need to have an index to find the other 5%!
 * We don't have a build section because builds have been hard to evaluate. If you see a video of a build used on a specific task, you can see for yourself how useful that build is, so that's not a problem. --◄mendel► 07:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

and files can become to full now its like very clear just letters shared up in headlines that much easyer if i mawy say

Linking images on useful pages
The majority of the usefulscreenshots are already linked on the relevant pages, writes Dr Ishmael above. Well, my attempt to do exactly that just failed. So do we need screenshot links, and where should they go? --◄mendel► 23:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * How is a duplicate screenshot "useful", exactly?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  23:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly, two images showing the same thing is redundant. Either we keep the "natural" images for monsters that we have, or we need to get community consensus to switch to background-less images.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * To be able to find it when you need it it is useful to have it linked in a place where you would look - or even to get it brought to your attention that this background-less image exists at all. If we cannot do this with the current pages and the current consensus, we should think hard about how to implement the suggestion then because we need something like that. Here and there you do find duplicated images = duplicated work because stuff wasn't seen to be available, I presume. --◄mendel► 23:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is why I suggested creating a gallery for the "renders". &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 00:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This is mostly my fault for changing them without getting an o.k. for it. There is now a nice gallery for them that mendel linked. Thanks for that. Anyway I wanted to apologize for causing any trouble with all this. In my defense I edited the lighting on the images I uploaded to show a more detail. I am not sure if it is even noticeable unless they are compared side by side. Again sorry for the trouble, and thanks again for the gallery. There are some really good ones that mendel did that I would like to link but I am not sure how to do that. [[Image:Spikeicon.png]]Tenetke Mekko 00:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)