User talk:Entropy/Archive 25

Bolded skill names in skill notes
Think it's worth making a "Policy" item in order to ensure consistency throughout the wiki? If so, I'd just like to state my opinion on it here: Firstly, I'd agree with it as per Entrea's talk page. Secondly, I think it should be completely avoiding mentioning the skill name in the notes of that skill's article altogether, but should it be mentioned it should be bolded. Up to you and whoever else needs to vote on it to make it whatever. Just offering my view. Zulu Inuoe 21:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your opinion. Policy? Nah, it just needs to find a place somewhere in the Style and Formatting Guides. I pretty much agree with what you think, but sometimes when doing a comparison in notes, it is clumsy not to re-use the skill name. For example, "Compared to its counterparts Flare, Ice Spear, and Stone Daggers, Shock Arrow is...etc." [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't know exactly where it would be placed, which is why there are quotes on "Policy". Sounds fine with me Zulu Inuoe 06:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandal
Could you do me a favor and take a look at this? I'm second-guessing the severity of my block on this guy, but I'm really not in the mood to unblock and re-block the guy more then once. Too long of a block? Not enough? Did I check enough boxes when I blocked him? I'm hoping this is something I never get too good at. :D -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  11:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Seeing how that guy has no edits at all except for moves, and you can't move pages unless you're registered, it's clearly a vandal account, so infinite ban seems fine to me --Gimmethegepgun 18:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was debating a year/infinite, but chances are, he won't care after a few months. So it probably wouldn't make much difference.
 * Took me an hour to undo his half-hour of work, and that's with the help of at least three other users; on one hand, I'm happy that I got to shut down my first "real" vandal, on the other... well, it took me an hour to undo his half-hour of work. :P --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  21:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Because vandalism by moving is only possible to registered accounts and because it usually takes additional time to fix, I'm with Gimme on this. The fact that he has no edits is also important. If an obscure user suddenly goes rogue, then that's one thing, perhaps it's just a bad day...if a user with no edits who you have never seen before starts moving pages to fake names etc. then you can assume it's a vandal account. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering...
How many more support do I need than oppose to become an admin? Thought ful  03:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no definite standard. Sometimes people get a landslide of supports, and that's easy. Sometimes there are nearly as many supports as opposes, and they still become admins. I'm more interested in the content of the votes rather than just the number. If someone has a bunch of opposes for trivial or otherwise unrelated things, that will have little or no effect on adminship, I won't pay as much heed; similarly if support votes are like "lol he iz gud" then that is not very convincing. I read the votes to see what people think about a user; would they be good for the job? Do they find a need for more admins? Does this person have good relationships with other users? That sort of thing. So don't worry as much about vote counting as about what people are saying. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Aaah, thank you. It was bugging me a bit. Thought ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 03:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

lawl
I blame it on force of habit :P -- (Talk) (Contr.) 03:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * At least you don't sign your papers IRL with four tildes. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've signed numerous emails w/ 4 tildes on accident though--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've almost done that multiple times, but managed to catch myself before I sent it. Also, I kinda have a problem in game with typing "rofl", because thanks to the POS English language and it's random silent E's I sometimes almost type "rofle" :/ Thankfully I've only sent the message out with the e on the end just once, but still... --Gimmethegepgun 17:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Show/Hide box
How can you get it so it doesn't span the entire width of the page?-- (Talk) (Contr.) 20:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. It is built in to span the entire width but I think you can get around that by SUBST -itution and adding your own style parameters. Let me try an example. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Foo Bar


 * Nope. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a look Here, that Contents box is actually a non-full width Show/Hide.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  03:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, you need to add a style="width:X%;" parameter to the NavFrame div.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  03:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's odd, I tried that with a separate div style line but it didn't work. Thanks though, I will use that now also. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember that only because I was trying to sort through that page. On a different note, do you set the default show/hide position for the whole page, or is there a way to set each box separately?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  03:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh not too good w/ template coding. Take a look at my edit on Template:Skill box. In place of the, can you make it so that if you type "concise description= _____" in the skill box info on a skill page it will show it? --[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 03:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All ur fancy wikicodez are teh nub. My page = win. --Macros 03:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That looks like it would work, Marco; if Template:Skill box had a concise description, it should show up there. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Try adding something like . I make no guarantees, but just add it in and see if it works. (I'm no template expert myself, but copy paste is FTW?)[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae   [Talk]  03:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That assumes that there will be skills with no concise description. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That is true. I thought Marco was asking for something that would only display if the info was there, though.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I TOTALLY misunderstood Marco's request. I don't think there's any way to do what he was asking (unless I misunderstood again.)[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

(RI) OK, just to set this straight, Marco: you want to just add a parameter to the skill pages and have the concise appear, without clicking "Edit skill details"?<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if I'm exactly sure what you're asking now. I want to add a new parameter inside of a show/hide box to allow the addition of concise descriptions on the skill pages.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 03:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you just wanted a new parameter in a show-hide, it looked like your edit to the skill box would work.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I pretty much have no idea how to work Templates properly, so I'm just going to be quiet now.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it would work too, but a quick check on an actual skill page showed the actual text " ", rather than it just being empty because nothing was filled in as of yet.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 03:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oooooooooh... I think that happens on everything that's missing a parameter. Just a wild guess, but try replacing with  . Itr should work, but I make no guarantees.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae   <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:58, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Or, if you don't care, just revert your revert, when someone puts in the information, will go away and the actual desription will be there.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae   <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  04:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I've encountered an odd problem. On Twisting Fangs, the show/hide box appears to span past the skill box, while on Unsuspecting Strike, it ends about an inch before the skill box.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 04:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I for one have increased my template coding skills today. I will try and see what I can do with the skillbox. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, works fine now. Skills with no concise description look as they always used to, once you add a concise description parameter to the skill template it will show up. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Check Desperate Strike. I added the concise description but it isn't showing up.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 05:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Uh...I don't understand, it works fine with all the ones you already changed. Confused now :C [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It could be a job queue lag problem. Otherwise all the old ones should also be broken. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed it, you need to make it concise_description or else it bugs for some reason. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I did Axe Mastery today, wanted to tell you before I feel asleep either in my bed or where I'm sitting now. <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 06:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We should start a checklist. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No school today, so you can guess what I'm going to be doing. <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 13:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot Status
I'm currently in the process of working on some coding to make a bot for a school project, and it struck me that GuildWiki could use an automatic bot to revert vandalism, and fix spelling mistakes on pages. And so, I'm gonna be working on a bot to run on this person, and was wondering if I could get Bot Status granted? (You may want to wait until I've made the bot). MayBot 16:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll need to see it first, and I am wary of allowing a bot for more than just spelling corrections. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you don't want me to run it for anything more than spelling corrections, I'll make sure it isn't used for anything else. You want me to send you the program in an Email? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 10:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it wise to use a bot for spelling. First of all it's not a critical issue, second there are a number of SIC's in the game that we would want to not correct. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. I wonder... Is there any way to prevent it from changing anything with a [sic] before it? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 10:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sic is generally added after the fault ;) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 10:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You know what I mean >.< &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 10:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if it's a bot which is mostly for May's school project, I would rather it be used for something that is not a critical issue, Pan...you know? Just in case something goes wrong. For SICs it should be easy to check for those. Perhaps like, if "sic" is found anywhere on the page, it'll skip that article entirely. Or we could just restrict it to Talk pages. @May - sure, send it to me in e-mail. I am not a very skilled coder person but I'd like to at least have documentation. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No no, its not for school, I finished the school one and was thinking that guildwiki could use a public bot.. =| &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

"I'm currently in the process of working on some coding to make a bot for a school project, and it struck me that GuildWiki could use an automatic bot to revert vandalism, and fix spelling mistakes on pages."

I was confused. I am not so sure that we need a public bot... (T/C) 03:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I seem to always choose my wording badly =S. What I meant is that GuildWiki could use a bot to run public commands, such as spellcheck etc. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 06:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I remain opposed to a spell-checker bot. If there are other stuff you want to use a bot for, my ears are open.  I am also opposed to "give the bot flag now, we'll figure out what to use it for later". -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well yeah, that sounds kinda stupid doesn't it? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 06:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If we followed that line of thinking we would have never invented cooked food! However, I still say no bot.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ  Talk 07:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

April Fools
Bull, I want the GuildWiki main page, not WoW. I had no part in this in case you are curious. (T/C) 03:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Mistress, I don't believe you've met Maui, you should go say hi.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 04:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No no. No, no, no need. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Aw, but I enjoy bringing people together for the destruction of others!--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 04:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If there's a joke here involved I am missing it...? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * None actually.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 04:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, well...thanks, I guess. Though I was already keeping tabs on Maui. Any user who gets to be "popular" among the regulars, I've got to keep an eye on that in case something of interest develops. (and no help to the "cybergurlz" userbox >.>) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is someone jealous? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Prudence has many alternate descriptions. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry Entropy, I'm still loyal to the Entrooperz.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 04:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * )-: *PanSola hands Entropy a Main Page and a glass of milk* -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It would take more than that to fool me, Pan, I know you did a CSS-type hack...since there was no changes to the sidebar or the main page article itself in the history. In the future, I think it would be nice to warn of something like this maybe more than a day in advance (if that's what your IRC request was about). [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I bet more WoWWiki users hate their new main page than the number of GuildWiki users hating our april fools page. So we got the better end of the exchange d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * True dat, even if we hate them more than they hate us, at least we (well, most of us) can take a well-done joke. Or perhaps they just don't have any good MediaWiki wizards. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "It would take more than that to fool me" BTW, that was soymilk. HA! -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fire the hooker cannon!--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 05:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * But I love soymilk. :L Just not on cereal. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:19, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I did edit the sidebar in order to avoid the Main Page and keep things working. d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Unlike WoWiki, which really seems half-assed.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 05:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Orly? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * better convention, helps anyone wanting to localize the sidebar to other languages <- The edit summary is completely factual/true (plus it helps server performance, which I forgot to mention). However, it is motivated from the side-benefit of helping me pull the prank without editing the actual main page. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Kind of ironic coming from the guy who keeps pestering others about not leaving edit summaries. >.> At least we don't lie by omission! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Omit everything is worse, I argue d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not cool to click section headers. :D [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've looked everywhere but I can't find anything particularly funny. How disappointing. I might as well vandalise my own page. Flechette 05:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll tell you what would be more funny, putting an AWOL template on the main page. You know, how my userpage looks. That would really screw people. I guess the overall problem is that jokes like this always end up being more funny for the perpetrator than the victims... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist
Just curious. 7,215. You? -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 05:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I should have added a qualifier "except for perhaps the old hands". That always helps. 355 main, and a bunch more talk/user/whatever. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * hehe. Well most of the articles on my watchlist I don't actually watch.  They just got auto-added because I edited them before.  I actually cleaned up the list once, but it took so much effort I probably won't do it again. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well, I prune my watchlist whenever someone archives by moving (bah!), and I actually do watch anything that is there. That's why most of the hench articles are on mine. If I added every article I edited...I'd probably be somewhere near you, yeah. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have... 4 pages on my watchlist--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 05:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * After my image-tagging spree, I had well over 2500 pages on my watchlist. The thing is, 99% of them had been edited (by me) within the last two days, so my watchlist was taking 20ish seconds to load :P <font color="#CD2626">&not; Wizårdbõÿ777  (talk)  20:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have 555, but I actually watch all of them. :P <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 00:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 333 here, not counting talk pages. And I semi-regularly clean mine out (unwatching red links and inactive users, etc). --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  02:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 602 pages watched. And that's after I just cleaned it out.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 03:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Over all four wikis, I'm watching ~870, not counting talk pages. <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar  03:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What's this, adding wikis up? I'm at 757 total here, across all six wikis I'm active on. (GuildWiki, GWW, PvX, GW2W, Bulbapedia, VynaioccWiki.) Some of them don't add much to my total (I watch EVERY page on VW, but that's only 85 pages), but it still counts. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Snap. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

"public notice"
Image license guide

Just putting a template on does NOT automatically mean you are covered. I've been seeing too many images uploaded recently that use, for example, "Fair Use" without meeting the minimum requirements specified in the guide. I don't have the time to do it all myself but I'd like to state here clearly that from now on I will be deleting any image I see that doesn't fulfill requirements.

You need a damn good reason to have a Fair-Use or similar license. "for userbox" or "for userpage" is NOT sufficient. (T/C) 07:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Ummm?


-- <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  15:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * View the page source, it's showing the template and using tag's around the rest of the body. Got me at first. <font color="DarkGoldenRod">Himm <font color="Red">Taeguk  (T/C) 15:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, J Striker and Warwick answered that one for me. It is a very stupid way to place an away message though imo.  -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  15:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just spotted the Image:Talk. :D. Agreed, though. I thought someone had vandalised the page <font color="DarkGoldenRod">Himm <font color="Red">Taeguk  (T/C) 15:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've left it there for quite some time now. >.> Makes the page load faster for me. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Be Happy!
Most of the work involving making the wiki livable after the move was done before you got there; we pooled up mods in our own monobooks to make a nice stable one that removes all changes, and I also made sure that that background stayed around at the site monobook. It's amazing how bland everything is without that :/ --Gimmethegepgun 02:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't even know we had a background to be honest. I thought it was some discoloration or trick of the eyes on the GuildWiki logo. But yes, it went missing for a second, and I am glad you managed to get it back. (See, I knew promoting you was a good idea!) Much thanks to you and all the others who helped bring back some semblance of normalcy to the Wiki. I'm useless at coding (well, this type) and so I wouldn't have been able to do anything anyways... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * tbh, I went into that with absolutely NO prior knowledge of .css :/ My savior? Firebug! --Gimmethegepgun 18:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That just makes it even more win. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

tech support
Welcome to Wikia!

>create account

>Username: Entropy >Password: ***** >...

Sorry, this account name is already in use.

>log in to Wikia >Username: Entropy >Password: ***** >...

Error: Incorrect password.

>special:listusers >search: Entropy >...

No matches found in database.

>log in to Wikia >e-mail password >*checks email* >... You have no new messages.

Rragh. If the user does not exist, why is the name taken? Why can't I register it? If it is indeed me, why can't I log in? I don't want to be User:GW-Entropy...especially when I think about what someone did in the past. :C (T/C) 04:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Special:Listusers only display users who have edited on that particular wiki, whereas Wikia has a global user database. So when it informed you of no matches found, that means User:Entropy haven't made any edit on www.wikia.com. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 04:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, how would I go about finding the "Wikia Entropy"? I want to see if they actively use the account to edit...if so, fine, I'll take a prefix. Bah. But if it's an inactive account, maybe Wikia folks would be kind enough to let me take it. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Emailuser/Entropy if the user actually put a valid email address in. You can also leave a note on the user's talk page on the main wiki.  Wikia had global talk page notification (that links back to the correct talk page). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks...The user does not have a userpage or a talkpage, nor any contributions that I can find (through Wikia.com itself). That is the "main wiki", isn't it? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The talk page article doesn't exist, but you can still leave message there. It'll trigger the talk page notification.  That is the "main wiki" yes, though you can do it on any of the 5200+ wikis on Wikia's shared user database and it don't matter which one you pick. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I get it now. I think a lot of users are going to be in for a shock if they haven't been paying attention - suddenly they'll get GW- prefixes, or messages from random people will start to show up, or...I dunno. Wish we could have the best of both worlds, using the servers without being connected to "their" systems. :\ [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This whole thing is retarded! Why did Gravewit sell us to wikia, then walk away like GuildWiki never existed? [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 11:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I of my biggest fears had been that Gravewit might one day just disappear without a trace, and GuildWiki would just cease to exist without warning. I mean, if he had gotten hit by a truck, ceased to pay for server/bandwidth, none of us would know or have time to backup the database and all.  So I for one am glad that our existence no longer hangs in the hands of a private individual. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 15:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * IMO, Gravewit selling GWiki is just water under the bridge, and we don't need to bring it up again. People here obviously have put up with it until now; no need to remind them of why they considered leaving in the first place. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  17:05, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have moments where I get pissed at what's going on. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 20:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is like GCardinal on PvX. I can admit to peace of mind being good. Still, it's not something you'd normally think of, because most big websites on the Internet aren't relying on a single individual for financing etc. You just kind of assume continuity. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want, I could try making a wikia account named Entropy, and if it works, I'll E-mail you the password. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 00:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I already tried, but thanks anyways. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try anyway. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 16:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't work. =( [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 20:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Skill box
Can you add something to make the background white? Wikia migration made backgrounds clear by default, and no-attribute skills like "Coward!" look phail with lines through them.<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed it similar to what I saw others putting on the other templates, if that does not work please tell me. I could also just unprot it temporarily. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it didn't work, I'll play around with the unprotected clone until I figure it out, then I'll tell whatever admin's on at the moment.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  21:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Rly? I applied the fix to all the style divs that I could find...hrm. Sorry about that. In my defense, the skill box is rather messy code. :( [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

My Talk Page
You are going to have to eloborate what you put on my talk page, it is gonna bother me until u do lol :P -- Shadowphoenix  06:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forgot I posted that. Been trying to help fix the favicon issue. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Feedback appreciated
Please give it a 10-minute try: MediaWiki_talk:Monaco-common.css. I want to collect feedback on the things that can be done to reduce the ugliness (I don't care if you find all the widgets useless, the loading speed crappy etc, I just want feedback on the looks). -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 07:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Pan, can't do this atm but will try when I'm back on my normal comp (resolutions would be all out of whack). [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:21, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

.css changer
in User:Warwick/monobook.css I have some coding (helped by geo) that changes the default site colour to green; Its only for myself, but I wasn't totally sure if it was allowed; Is it allowed? &mdash; Warw/Wick 20:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't it be allowed? <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  20:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I copy-pasted it into my .css, IT LOOKS FUDGING AWESOME. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 20:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * RT; because its changing the default set skin of wikia. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wiki has a bunch of skins, should those be disallowed too? :) (Btw, basically everything in .css is changing the skin) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be for yourself only, no one else. and those greens! they burn my eyes.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 20:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wiki, is now green and blue for me. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 20:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You are allowed to make ANY changes you want to your own .css or .js, however changes to the whole wiki's .css or .js are limited (like if we removed those ads on the side and filled the space for EVERYONE on the wiki) --Gimmethegepgun 22:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * O.o whats with all the coding? I feel like a wiki-dinosaur.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Screw Green people; Pinks all the rage! <3 &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * green>pink imo. Cress Arvein(Talk) 15:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Are we arguing on colors now?[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems that way. Cress Arvein(Talk) 18:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Lmao
It took you MONTHS to find that! 22:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not on my watchlist. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

before you log off
I left a message on the admin board I was going to leave on your page but left there instead. Check it out pl0x (if you haven't already) :)   --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw that and I am not sure what to do, in all honesty. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish I knew copyright laws. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * He's been told a number of times, and I showed him the image license guide. At this point, it's his fault for not acting. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay
So I have a GuildWiki2 here that no-ones going to edit, =|. I didn't think that my request would be acknowledged, less even accepted =|. PanSola brought it up, but he know I'd intended it as a joke.. Eh, Ah well, I have a wiki to run. =| &mdash; Warw/Wick 10:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not blaming you or criticizing you personally - I would be equally annoyed if it was any other user. So don't worry about that. I think what we can learn from this is that: Wikia doesn't do their homework before letting new wikis get made. GW2W has been so widely known both here and on GWW that it ought to have occurred to them. Unless they think it will just die out or they somehow think they can beat ANet at a GW2 Wiki, I can't think any rational reason for such request accepted. Whatever though, it's all bureaucratic shit, they can't be omnipotent. Although I am rather surprised RT "told you to do it", he should have known better. Best of luck for you, it's a taste of what my job is like, though you're obviously starting from the ground up. I am hoping that at the very least you will capture the disenfranchised and disgruntled users, so that they spend their energy on something constructive rather than towards vandalism on GW2W. Since we both know that solves nothing. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Entropy, it's not about Wikia not doing their homework. It's about not denying people the right to an unofficial wiki if they claim there's a need in the community for one (without regarding if it's gonna just die or can possibly beat GW2).  Though Warwick, if you are really jesting in your original request (as opposed to saying you did it as a joke after all the negative pressure were laid upon you), then I really wish you take a lot of time and carefully think about where you want to take that wiki (or not). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I won't shut the wiki down, because a) i cant b) i don't give things up easily and c) it could be useful. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 10:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, a you can (by talking to a Wikia community team staff), but b I applaud you for not giving things up easily, and c the "wish you take a lot of time and carefully think about where you want to take that wiki" is my hope/expectation that you'll put in a lot of effort to ensure it be as useful as it has potential for. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I will revise my sentiments to "Too much open-ended opportunity can produce waste". As we could see in the previous historical example of the Guild Wars Wikia. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

eh
log on aim sometime :p i've got a hell of a schedule this week but i should be able to catch you on friday - Auron 11:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Auron, I've been busy even though it's spring "break". Flew out to NY from Friday-Wednesday, then went to SoCal Thursday. Today is my first few free hours. I know you've got a bunch to tell me, cause I have a lot to discuss with you too. Be on in a bit. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wishlist
If you still need Victo's Battle Axe, you can have my warrior's one (for free, I dont need/want anymore). IGN Bladewarrior Ipo. forgot to sign Ipo 21:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Haven't logged into GW for anything for so long, but I'm feeling bored so I will take up your offer. You're one of lucky few wishlist people who'll actually be able to give their stuff >.> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA
Ok, I know I'm being impatient, but since I have 3 supports and no opposes, can I be an admin? Thoughtful 06:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a vote-tallying or popularity contest, if you want the short quick answer. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The short answer confuses me, so don't post the long version. You can remove this if you want. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 06:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically, the votes are completely insignificant in the long run. They serve only to give the bureaucrat (in this case Entropy) insight about you and make their own decision whether or not to promote you --Gimmethegepgun 06:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In short, I am still undecided. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, but I'm still leaving the link off my page. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 06:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The promotions I've made have been fairly unorthodox in that many were either prequalified candidates who had waited a *long* time for an active bcrat to issue a decision, or I did not wait terribly long to make a decision. Yes, it has been a while, but you have to understand that unless there is a rather unanimous-seeming support or unsupport from the community, these sorts of decisions take awhile. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Quoting You
And arguing with what you say (I hope I don't sound too frontforward)

Telling other users that you will selectively ignore their comments without considering their legitimacy is troublesome. Saying that you don't care about copyright laws (in not so many words) is not encouraging. "If you don't like it, ignore it" is not a pragmatic response to complaints against one's conduct.

I know I'm not popular around here anymore.


 * I said that I will selectively ignore them if they continued with the flaming/trolling/going-nowhere-argument. If I get pulled into an argument, I won't give up until I'm totally beaten or I've won.
 * I didn't say I didn't care about copyright laws! Where did I say that? I said that due to the copyright laws I could copy anything GW2W had, but I wouldn't. I never said ANYTHING about not caring about copyright laws
 * I don't have a choice what happens to GW2. What I'd meant when I said that was "If you don't like the idea of this new wiki, just ignore the damned thing. I don't care at all if you're going to troll me about this". I didn't say that in regards to anything about my conduct. There was somthing rapidly degenerating into a flamefest going on about the new wikia. What has it got to do with my conduct?


 * I'm beginning to think that Zulu was right when he said that you; and almost all of the community; have actually disliked me for a very long time. I know that there are not very many people who actually do like me around here. Perhaps only those few. Meh, prove me wrong if you want. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 09:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, but you asked for it.


 * "the flaming/trolling/going-nowhere-argument" to you is the perfectly valid concerns of other users, and it is not okay to simply ignore that. If I thought in that vein I would simply delete this post of yours since I consider it trolling. (I really don't, but you understand my drift.) Since neither side can claim to be in the absolute right or wrong, you have to suck it up and listen to each other and compromise. (Or give up, though no one is willing to do that here.)


 * You implied that you didn't care about copyright laws when you repeatedly said "nothing would stop me from copying GW2W", "I basically want to have a 'just in case' copy", "bah >.>" in response to Pan telling you why it was not going to work that way, etc. You can get technical on me and challenge that it's only my own personal distortion of what you said, that you were only joking, blabla. But inferring from the responses of others, I am not alone in my assessment.


 * People got very, very upset with what you did, and you don't seem to realize why or understand the implications. In all likelihood, as you yourself admit, the whole issue will blow over and the GW2 (or whatever you want to callo it) will be a flop. After all, what are the odds? You know it was a half-hearted joke, you are surprised Wikia accepted it, you didn't quite expect this. I understand that. What I don't understand is your lack of empathy (or even just sympathy) with what many of the others in what you call "a flamefest" were expressing. Anger. Outrage. Indignation. Betrayal. These are not trivial issues, and to dismiss it all as simply "trolling" or "flaming" is just begging to label yourself as ignorant or incompetent. (No, that's not an NPA, since it is generally directed at anyone in a similar situation.) When people get this upset over "just a new wikia", that should tell you that you've gone and done something far bigger than you imagined.


 * Everyone knows that it will be a failure or at the very best, a second fiddle unless something catastrophic happens to GW2W. Serious competition and harm to GW2W is not what they are worried about. What is problematic is the splitting of the community, the use of the GuildWiki name, and the basic symbolism of the act.


 * When the Builds section split, we got a fork: PvX Wiki. This split off many members of the community. When GWW was first formed, many frustrated users left. This split off (or rather, nearly halved) the community, with many of our best administrators moving too. When Wikia bought us, yet again the idea of a fork was aired. But this time, with so few people actually left, we finally had to call it quits and bear down. Further splitting of the community would just be suicidal; you know how precarious a situation the wiki is in from day to day, despite appearances. Considering people who left because of Wikia, it is in fact amazing that we still run at all and manage to get some of the business done. If the community had to go through another major split...that would truly kill GuildWiki, and even then the new offshoot wouldn't have enough support and it would probably die too. It's just a lose-lose situation.


 * The second major issue that people had was that you called the site Guildwiki 2 or such. Using the GuildWiki name implies support from GuildWiki, both at the official level and among the community. But neither case is true. Therefore, the same way that we felt betrayed by Gravewit "selling out" our good name to Wikia, this felt like you capitalizing on our name for something that most of us did not want and did not approve of. On a personal level, it was a betrayal of trust. On a policy level, you can bring allusions to GW:YAV, which I will not reiterate as Pan explained it very well. (It's bad but not a real breach.) And on a community level, it was overstepping the bounds of good taste, if not authority. The creation of a whole new wiki for GW2 is something that the community at large ought to approve of and take part in. Yet you "went rogue" and did it anyway, when most people are still opposed to it. There is nothing that specifically prohibits you; nonetheless, you broke the informal understanding that nothing of this sort would be done without some form of general agreement. We just don't do things like that on the Wiki.


 * Lastly, regardless of the actual outcomes of Guildwiki2, GW2, and GW2W...it's a symbolic measure when you create a new wiki that is supposedly a descendant from here. It carries implications and assumptions that people may or may not agree to. In this case many do not. Not only is it legally impossible for GuildWiki 2 to copy stuff from GuildWiki (different licensing), the two wikis would not even be connected by anything other than maybe some userbase transfer. Without even a real bloodlink, the whole thing becomes a farce. And that upsets people. If nothing else, GuildWikians have pride, and it matters to them just as much as it does to you. It hurt me - it hurt us - to see not just a fellow GuildWiki member do this un-Wiki like activity, but to use the GuildWiki name which stands for so much (so very diminishing much). You just can't seem to grasp that, and that is why we fail to understand you and your motives.


 * Oh and by the way, your conduct is not above reproach either; regardless of the situation, regardless if "everyone" is against you, I certainly don't see you taking the high moral ground in your responses. You've come close to many policies...YAV, NPA, AGF, among others...but never quite broken them. Rules can be bent before they can be broken, but I have to say that you are really starting to live dangerously. I say this not as a threat but as a fact: I do not know a single other user who causes as much controversy as you, who gets into as many "flamefests", or who attracts so much opposition and antagonism. Every week it's something new with you, and frankly I'm tired of it...not because of any personal feelings I have towards or against you (do not turn this into a personal issue as you so often do - my personal feelings are irrelevant to my duties), but because of the sheer volume of spam, wikidrama, and general malaise that this causes. It's not all your fault either, and that's why I feel guilty saying these things: there are some users out there who do treat you unfairly, who seem to hold an actual grudge against you. Basically, consider what Auron once told you...you are a highly visible editor, because of your personality and your actions. Attention naturally gravitates towards you. You could employ this positively...for example, leading a campaign to better the wiki...but more often than not I see it wasted on talkpages and fights. Not to mention that you spend more effort into your elaborate userpage layout than almost all the rest of us. None of these things are inherently bad and they are all natural (we all do them!), but because of that amplification, things get a bit out of hand.


 * ...Listen. I'll say this straight to your face. I don't like you very much, and I haven't even since it was the "other" Warwick contributing. Yeah, I put up with you because we are like that at GuildWiki. You never directly caused problems, or explicitly broke policy, or otherwise did things that merited action. You were one of the general, fun loving editors who spent a lot of time doing silly but harmless things (usually). It honestly was not a very far stretch when you once claimed on an RfA, "I have no negative contributions". This is essentially true, and if I AGF, then it remains true to this day. Contrary to what some others may think...I still believe that you have never intentionally set out to harm the wiki in any way, including the present case. At worst you failed to look before you leapt. Badly.


 * Regardless of all this, though. I need you to understand that even if I like or dislike you, that ultimately means nothing on the Wiki. I try as much as I can to be impartial and objective. I act on the interests of the larger community and do what I can to protect those interests. My power really does come from the users collectively; it's not an insider's club of me and the sysops (I hardly know more than one or two personally), it's certainly not a dictatorship, and even if I truly despised you, the policies and unspoken rules we have here wouldn't let me permaban you or anything silly like that. (And it would be political suicide.) Yes, the administration here uses discretion. No, that doesn't lead to political favors, corruption, and singling out. I - we - are not trying to make you into an outsider or a martyr. That's partially your own dramatization of the situation and partly the lack of other users checking their responses...which I have rather limited control over. I can't be the police for everything here.


 * Ultimately, whether or not I personally like or dislike you does not change how I respond to you. I will challenge your actions, conduct, and interpretation of policy any day - and base what I say not by who you are but by what you do. I don't know the real May, so who am I to judge your actions in light of whatever Internet persona you have created? When I agree with someone, it's not because I like them personally. When I disagree with someone, it's not because I hold a grudge against them. I just think they are right or wrong, and that's that. Mixing personal vendettas into wiki affairs is a great recipe for disaster, and I think you can understand that it would be impossible for me to do my job if I took the Wiki so personally. I have to try as much as possible to not be inflenced by my emotions, else I risk losing fairness, equal justice, and objectivity which I need every day. (Please note that although I would like to, it would be wrong of me to speak for other users on this subject; you'll have to settle with them individually, since I don't honestly know how many feel as I do.)


 * I don't want to lose you as a part of the community or as a contributor. To paraphrase some of the other stuff I said to Zulu about you, I think you have many useful and valuable skills that GuildWiki could definitely benefit from. You know how to work with .css, .js, MediaWiki code, a smattering of HTML or similar (since you have your own custom browser or such), and you know a lot about formatting and appearance. You also have a bit of experience, sometimes more than other current admins. And though they are less, I know you do have some truly meaningful contributions too. So please...consider what others have said, and what I have said here. I know you think you've been over the same arguments again and again, but with so many different users raising the same sorts of issues...No one wants to make enemies on a wiki, and I sincerely hope that you understand and don't think of this as a bitter rivalry or a "no one likes me, so I don't care" situation. For everyone, there are times in life where you have to work with people you do not necessarily like, in order to achieve a common goal. This is the same thing. If you truly care about furthering GuildWiki - and I really hope I am not mistaken in my belief that you are - then let's put aside our personal feuds and get to work. Let others think what they will...I, you, we, can deal with them later. For now we have a wiki to maintain. (And hopefully save.) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * To be fair, I was just pointing out that he would need to provide proper attribution. I thought I was also clear that it is perfectly ok for Warwick to copy from GW2W to GW2 (if proper attribution is given).  Therefore when I read Warwick's statement that nothing could stop her from copying from GW2W, I did not regard that as ignoring/disrespecting copyright. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 11:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)