User talk:Bexor/Armor Project/Art

Crafting box
Is there any guidelines for how we should treat the case with more locations and crafters for the same armor level? Some put the materials in a rowspan=2, and some just put a in the location box and put the in the same cell. What do you think? I prefer the, since it looks nicer in Firefox. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 06:29, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * You can pick and feel free to change the s&f to add the note in. :) - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 12:58, 10 January 2007 (CST)

Don't forget
For personal reference:
 * Template:Prophecies ascended armor - Add into s&f and create for factions and nightfall. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 05:15, 16 January 2007 (CST)
 * This is safe to forget now. :p --Glynnis   16:19, 25 January 2007 (CST)

Art pages
The following pages need to be checked to ensure that they follow the new s&f guidelines:

Trading pages
The following pages need to be moved/created and edited to follow the s&f:

Crafting quick reference
I don't even know what these are.

Art galleries
See Armor galleries project for the list. I will add the actual links in later. - BeXoR   11:36, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Description
Could you please check if you think the descriptions I'm making is ok, I've always had a hard time deciding what should be there and what shouldn't. (Pages I have edited is Monk Ascalon, Tyrian, Krytan and Ascetic's Dragon so far). &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 18:20, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * I changed Ascalon to be more concise, but now I'm wondering if the way you have the art type linked is clearer. By the way, the function pages are going to change (not going to have A in armor, but there will be redirects for profession armor, see my function pages!), so maybe I'll start creating those pages now so that we can link to the right thing now. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 22:23, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * How will we link in the armor art box? To the professions-specific names or to the page names? &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 03:03, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * My function page has some of the planned links: User:Bexor/Armor Project/Function. It will generally be the name variant. I'll have some of this done tonight. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 03:45, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * I'm still working on it. Hopefully no one will delete the redirects I made so far. :S - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 04:46, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * Okay, I'll start with the redirects. I made those monk ones a maybe til I can double check them. One problem with the ascetics is the lack of headgear. I am fairly sure both ascetics have headgear (maybe just star?) - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 05:13, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * I have basically no idea about those :P And I'm having a bit of wiki overload, so I get stressed just by thinking of all the inaccurate information there may be :P &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 05:28, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * I checked and theres no dragon headgear, but there is a star one. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 06:52, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Headgear (not again!)
One more thing about the descriptions you have altered. Why are we using the Monk Prophecies Headgear again? As it is now, there exists four different pages with information just about monk headgear (counting the Attribute headgear too) and it's all overlapping echother. We should make a clear statement on what pages to use and what pages should include what. Personally, I prefer Monk headgear and that one only, for art. (And it not including the crafting information found in Monk Luxon Armor etc) And then have Attribute headgear as the one and only function article. These articles is really a mess.. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 05:28, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * The pages will be changed. Monk attribute headgear will be gone (that's not an art page). What's the other page? Mesmer Prophecies Headgear is an example. I believe it is necessary because they aren't part of any Prophecies art. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 05:50, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Why can't that information be included in Mesmer headgear? The pages I was referring to is Monk headgear, Monk Attribute Headgears, Monk Prophecies Headgear and Attribute headgear. All these include duplicate information of some kind. If we have a collecting article like Monk headgear, why do we have a specific article on Monk Prophecies Headgear? And if we want the specific one (or several), what's the point in the collective one.. Do you see what I mean or am I just putting alot of words with no meaning here? ;) There's so much duplicate information at the moment, that it is hard to keep it up to date. &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 10:05, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * I absolutely agree Stylva! There should be 1 headgear art page per profession called " headgear" (total of 10 articles) and 1 headgear function page (called "Attribute armor" with a redirect from "Attribute headgear").  Also I fixed your broken link above.  Can someone please remove the "move" tags from the headgear pages before the situation becomes even worse?  (I'm at work at the moment.  Shh!)  --Glynnis   10:17, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * If you look at the current headgear page, with crafting information AND galleries you have to scroll three or four pages down, and that's at a high resolution. The only reason the profession headgear article exists is to have a central location with all the pictures, because lazy people don't want to load each art page. What I want to have is Profession headgear with an index setup like the profession index. That uses the gallery index template I think is what it's called. Specific headgear art sets that don't belong to another art (for example the Prophecies headgear or Ele eyes) would get an art page with crafting and galleries (like Mesmer Prophecies Headgear). And then the function side will be on Attribute armor. That way if a user wants a headpiece but doesn't know what to get, they can look at the headgear index and see all the different types and then click on the link to go to the art page (whether headgear art or full art set) or on male or female gallery links. And on the other hand if users have only one campaign and want to know what they need for the only available headgear they dont have to scroll down a million pages looking for information. Does this make sense or do I need to make examples? - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]]  11:53, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * In other words... you like Necromancer headgear and Necromancer Prophecies Headgear. --Glynnis   12:41, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * As much as it pains me to say it, I believe it is the best alternative and it follows the format the art pages are in already. If someone wants Mesmer Ascalon armor, the mask crafting isnt listed there, but on the Mesmer Prophecies Headgear. If they want Mesmer Luxon Armor the headgear is included there as well as the crafting material. Mesmer headgear would be a portal to all of these pages. - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 12:46, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * I will be in the corner crying... --Glynnis  14:56, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Aw don't be sad. :( *pats* - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 15:02, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Although I don't agree fully on everythimg, I see the point in having those pages, and it can't be reduced. But naming, people, naming! We have been so strict before. "Headgear" is not an in game name or in game item. Mesmer Prophecies Masks, yes. Or Mesmer Prophecies headgear. Pretty please? :P &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 14:21, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Of course. :) I would say to use "headgear" because if we use Masks (it probably should still be masks), then we'll have to use "necromancer prophecies scar patterns" and "monk prophecies scalp designs". Bit long. But if you think the url length doesn't matter then go ahead with whatever. Maybe "Monk headgear" as the index, and then "Monk Prophecies Scalp Designs". - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 14:31, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Okay, I feel better now. I will propose article names for the headgear pages soon.  I need to think more about it first.  I'm glad that you both more-or-less agree on a format though.  --<font color="00D245">Glynnis   15:20, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Naming proposal #2
There are two overview pages per profession describing both art and function. There is one art overview page per armor set that is available to more than one profession.
 * 1) "<Profession> armor"
 * 2) "<Profession> headgear"
 * 1) "<Armor Name> Armor"

Armor art page names
 * 1) "<Profession> <Armor Name> Armor"
 * 2) "<Profession> Ascended <Armor Name> Armor"
 * 3) "<Profession> <Campaign> <Headgear Type>s"
 * 4) *Ranger Prophecies Masks
 * 5) *Monk Prophecies Scalp Designs
 * 6) *Necromancer Prophecies Scar Patterns
 * 7) *Mesmer Prophecies Masks
 * 8) Unique names (do not follow any rules). /shakefist
 * 9) *Elementalist Eyes
 * 10) *Elementalist Auras
 * 11) *Paragon Elonian Crests


 * Prophecies and Nightfall Elementalist Eyes are the same art. I'm not sure about having the campaign name in brackets like that. Usually it is used to specify that the item or quest is exclusive to that campaign. And I think the article name should be plural because it has multiple designs on it. We can definitely do "Elementalist Auras", "Elementalist Eyes" and "Paragon Elonian Crests". Maybe we can get away with just "Ranger Masks", "Necromancer Scar Patterns", "Mesmer Masks" and "Monk Scalp Designs". If not I would still lean towards "Ranger Prophecies Masks" because it follows the "Profession Type Armor" naming convention. I know the in game items aren't named that way, but Ascended Armor isn't labelled Ascended either, it's just something that was created here to show the difference. You forgot Paragon on your headgear list! In NF Paragon headgear comes in two type, Paragon Elonian Crests or Paragon Vabbian Crests. Vabbian belongs on the Vabbian art page, but the Elonian ones don't count as Paragon Elonian art because you buy them at every crafter except Vabbian. - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 21:07, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Thank you for the very useful comments. They really made me think!  I replaced my random thoughts above with a better proposal.  I think it answers all of your questions.  For more details see User:Glynnis/Armor.  Also look at my Samuka example for the warrior headgear links.  The armor art pages should include headgear (and a list of name variations?). I think this would work very well. --<font color="00D245">Glynnis   14:13, 31 January 2007 (CST)


 * That all looks great to me. :) - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 01:32, 1 February 2007 (CST)

I moved the mesmer masks to Mesmer Prophecies Masks and I think it looks good as it is. Does everyone agree that this page is finished? All other mesmer masks should be included with the armor set it matches (example: Mesmer Luxon Armor). The only thing missing is to agree on the content of Mesmer headgear. I need ideas and advice, otherwise I will turn it into another abonination like Necromancer headgear, bwahahaha!. >:)  I will also move the other professions' headgear pages as stated above, unless someone objects.  --<font color="00D245">Glynnis   13:06, 4 February 2007 (CST)


 * Apart from some minor design cleanup needed, I think that Mesmer Prophecies Masks looks ok. And I don't know about the Mesmer headgear, sorry :P &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 14:48, 4 February 2007 (CST)

Reformatting
I think that we should approach the reformatting in a different manner. I think it would be easier to do each section in a separate round. For instance we correct the art box for each article. Then on the second round we correct the descriptions. Then on the third we do the crafting. And we could set up check lists for each section. That way when we come across an article that can't be completed because of missing information or for any other reason, we can mark the other sections as complete and know clearly which part needs to be addressed in the future. Sound like a good idea? - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR   10:21, 3 February 2007 (CST)
 * Sounds great to me, since that is the way I usually work. Check off one small thing at a time, it's easier not to forget something that way, imo :) &mdash; Stylva  (talk)(contribs) 10:42, 3 February 2007 (CST)
 * I'm marking abandoned armor images for deletiong (I guess they got left over when people replaced the galleries) but when I'm done with it or get sick of it I'll fix up the checklist. :) - <font color=#3E7A90>BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 10:55, 3 February 2007 (CST)

New art box
I rewrote Template:Armor art box and now many of the art pages have the wrong name because the art and type variables were not used consistantly. I'm sorry to make you start the checking over. I hope the new template is easier to use and that the documentation is easier to understand. Please tell me if something is broken. --<font color="00D245">Glynnis  06:18, 4 February 2007 (CST)


 * I updated all of the Necro art boxes and corrected all of the Monk art boxes. --<font color="00D245">Glynnis   08:26, 4 February 2007 (CST)
 * Glynnis, are the festival hats you've been changing this morning supposed to be missing the image in the top box, and have only the image in the bottom box? Yule Cap for example. It looks a little weird, but maybe you're not entirely done with your changes. — HarshLanguage [[Image:qswearing_small.png|HarshLanguage]] 12:27, 4 February 2007 (CST)


 * I finished updating the armor art box on all the festival hat pages. They look okay to me.  The only image in the box is the big  symbol, which means they are available to any profession.  I didn't change anything in the other images below the art box.  Do you still see something wrong?  --<font color="00D245">Glynnis   12:37, 4 February 2007 (CST)