Talk:Cembrien

Where does it say he created the Storm Riders?


 * The Prima Strategy Guide, if I recall correctly. 16:07, 20 April 2006 (CDT)


 * See The Ranger's Path. --adeyke 16:58, 20 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Is "unleashing" synonmyous with "creating"? Maybe his grandma capturend a bunch from Ascalon, gave them to him on a leash as a birthday present, and he just... unleashed them in the desert after some magical modifications of his own ("this land" is ambiguous). -PanSola 17:46, 20 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Is this a serious argument to which one needs to respond, or are you just having fun? --Karlos 20:52, 20 April 2006 (CDT)


 * I'm serious about "Ages ago Mr. X unleashed blah upon this land", when spoken by some guy in the Crystal Desert, does not necessarily mean "Mr. X created the first blah found in Ascalon", because "this land" could've easily meant the Crystal Desert instead of the Tyrian continent or world. The part about grandma and birthday is not serious.


 * I would say that ages ago Europeans (unintentionally) unleashed small pox (or whatever disease that wiped out huge native American population back in the days) upon "this land" (I'm typing from an apartment in North America). I do not consider the Eurpoeans to have created/invented small pox. -PanSola 21:38, 20 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Ha ha.. Now it's you who is not reading the text closely. :) Read the guy's words closely: Storm Riders, not Storm Kin. So, the whole "this land" argument is moot.
 * If you are disagreeing with the "restating" of "unleashed" as "created" or "made," your argument is a man of straw argument. Very potent within its own world of straw, very weak within the context of this discussion. True, Europeans unleashed small pox upon the native americans and that this form of unleashing is not creating, but that is your usage in your sentence in your own context. Back to the game reference, when wizards "unleash" creatures upon the world in any typical fantasy setting, that can usually be expressed as them "creating" those monsters. Context here is the key word. You can't take "unleash" and "create" out of context. i.e. The Forgotten unleashing the Enchanted and creating them is synonymous in this case. It would not be synonymous in the case of the "Titans" where they were "locked away" somewhere and the Lich Lord unleashed them. We have no reference of the Storm Riders being "locked" away behind the Door of Somali :). --Karlos 21:57, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
 * I don't think it's a far stretch to consider the possibility that Storm Kins were Storm Riders mutated by Cembrien, or if Telius is just loosely calling the Storm Kins as Storm Riders. Otherwise Yxthoshth is just a lone lost high level Storm Rider among a bunch of Storm Kin who were NOT created by Cembrien?  You are assuming "this land" means "the world", and infer from that assumption that I disregarded the context.  I plead ambiguity of the context "this land" as well as "Storm Kin/Rider".  My argument is only weak if you assume "this land" means "the world (of Tyria)" instead of "the Crystal Desert", when I do not see anything that favors the former "the world" intepretation, while both Cembrien's ghost and one of his first creation (Yxthoshth) are found in the desert (which doesn't prove the "desert" interpretation, but does favor it). -PanSola 22:08, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

What about the Smoke Walkers in the FoW? Did Cembrien unleash them too? 00:53, 21 April 2006 (CDT)
 * It is my current stance that Cembrien was only responsible for the riders found in the desert. So I believe Cembrien has nothing to do with Smoke Walkers. -PanSola 01:00, 21 April 2006 (CDT)