User talk:GW-Stabber

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You're back
Since I am here, and I'm sure you and I will have many discussions...welcome back. - Jack  20:14, 26 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Guildwiki is becoming an official ANet sponsored thing??? Anyway, welcome back hopefully. --Xeeron 05:35, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * See GuildWiki talk:Community Portal. Welcome back Stabber. :) --Karlos 06:44, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Nice to see you (again). Just stop leaving, you can't stay away! Ahahahahaha!!!11eleventhirteenseventeennineteentwentythree *ahem* (That's as many primes as I can list off the top of my head.) Nice to meet you ingame too, yesterday. --Tinarto [[Image:Tinarto-gold-Monk-icon-small.png]] 07:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Welcome back, nice to have you again. - Unchain 16:10, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * * Moves in silently hoping not to scare her away* Welcome back! *Disappears* --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 17:24, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

Former mentions
Ha ha you make me laugh, well you knew the GuildWiki would fall apart in your absence didn't you :P Actually I do still have one thing over you, you've made exactly 100 more edits to your user page than I've made to mine, so who's really spent more time on it? :) Besides some of that elaborateness directy related to you and my red candle I was burning in your honour while you were gone. Also I'd like to point out that you don't have the ultimate user page on your list, check out Fyren now that is impressive! It's good to have you back. --Xasxas256 12:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

"but if it is going to become an official Arena Net sponsored thing, then I want in."
Well, if it does go that way, the type of people whose behavior drove you away would probably increase 100-fold... Glad to see you back, but just want you to be prepared and not hold any illusions of what GuildWiki will see in the future d-: - 18:28, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Eh. I don't blame anyone but myself for getting into fights. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:35, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

Community expectations
I heartily endorse this product and/or service! Kidding aside, if you wanted to show up those who thought of you as "just a wikignome", you could not have done so more effectively. Glad you're back and contributing again. Hope you stay a while this time. --Bishop (rap|con) 05:01, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
 * That wikignome stuff was a load, heck she run the GuildWiki's only bot, clearly she's more than just an editor who fixes a few spelling mistakes. --Xasxas256 05:57, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
 * And I'm definitely almost as much a wikignome as Stabber. Heck, I don't even have factions yet and I'm making all these edits on Factions stuff. - 06:27, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

The death of victory
Honestly, why not just correct the silly typo? I don't think we have a policy against fixing typo's in religiously sacrosanct ANet announcements... :p --Bishop (rap|con) 13:51, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Why not indeed. I am not the author of that policy, however. I have half a mind to raise this issue on the Community Portal, but at the moment I am distracted by a call to GvG. Maybe in a few hours. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 13:53, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Fair 'nuff. I wasn't aware of the policy, thank you for bringing it to my attention. If you do bring it up, I'll second a change in a heartbeat. --Bishop (rap|con) 13:59, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

View on an official wiki
I would like more info on some of your points. First off your choice of people that can edit the wiki. that goes agaist all what wiki stand for. I see that an official wiki need to be more control then guildwiki but cutting user for editing is not a good idea. My view on that would be allowing everybody to see it and if you want to change something you need to link your username with your guildwars accounts. that would prevend most people from doing dmg because losing your game account if you do vendalism would scare most children. (I see that this limit the users permited to edit but if you dont trust Anet with your account you probably wanted to hurt the wiki.) Second point, the idea of not having weapon screenshot. I dont see why not. Anet have shown there concept for weapon and show some armor screenshot. Just to see own many demmand on forums for weapons and armors screen shot would confirm the need for such page. Since Anet have approuved some build ( the pvp one) I dont see why they shouldnt allowed more. Since they want to keep the game balance why would only a handful of people have access to "secret build" to farm and domminate other players with money? Well I would accept that Anet prevend those build to be put on the wiki but they should fix them in the first place. Im just looking for explanation on your view. --Aratak 14:26, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * My proposed access restriction is only for editors. The official wiki should be publicly readable, of course, or what's the point? For screenshots, I think a company making an RPG should leave some things for the players to discover. If everyone knew about Zodiac skins from day 1, for example, they wouldn't have been so highly sought after. As for builds, the build articles in the GuildWiki are highly opinionated and even several of the so-called "tested builds" are not necessarily superior to possible variants. The funny thing, though, is that these articles pretend to be objective and factual. Now, you'll note that I do recommend certain opinionated articles be allowed in an official wiki, but these articles would be obviously (marked as) opinions. The premade builds are an exception because they have already been officially blessed by Arena Net. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 19:35, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I must admit, that as a long time user of GuildWiki, I'm glad to see that it's finally getting the recognition it deserves. I've found it to be an invaluable resource.  But what happens to the user such as myself that has information to profide, but has only recently started to take a part in providing to the Wiki community?  Are we just cut out of the loop altogether and go back to being a pure user?--Xis10al 15:55, 3 June 2006 (CDT)


 * No, users such as yourself would still be welcome on the GuildWiki. I do not wish to see the GuildWiki dead. My opinion is solely about an official wiki sponsored by Arena Net. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 15:58, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

What would be the difference between this new wiki idea and a page like this http://guildwars.gameamp.com/, or any number of other Guild Wars fan sites? They already have most of the content you seem to want, and they also only allow a few priveleged editors to modify the content of those pages. Is your main goal to be officially sponsored? Is it to control content in peace and quiet without the unwashed masses making a mess of things? I don't want to sound harsh, but it seems like you don't really want to be a part of a wiki community. It seems like you want your own page that's officially sponsored and can only be edited by a select group of friends. That's great for you, and a few select others, but kind of irrelevant to the rest of us. --Tjoneil 22:54, 3 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Well, first of all this new wiki idea isn't mine. See GuildWiki talk:Community Portal. Secondly, it doesn't describe a fansite, but rather a site created and sponsored by Arena Net. Thirdly, while I do participate in several fansites, I have no loyalties to any of them. If an official wiki sprouts, I will move there if allowed, because I believe an official wiki stands to benefit the Guild Wars community more than a fansite. Lastly, I suffer no delusions that I would be allowed on any official wiki that follows my suggested design. I don't as such have any problems with not being given access, as I don't consider any activities I am engaged in here or on any fansite to be particularly necessary for the well being of the Guild Wars community. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 23:01, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

Style & Formatting box
Hey Stabber, I quite like the Style & Formatting box you recently added to all of the Style & Formatting articles. Was there a discussion on this?  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 05:33, 4 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Yes, but the discussion was conducted entirely inside my head. It was a heated debate, with a narrowly contested conclusion that had to be won with ridiculously overblown campaign promises. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 05:35, 4 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Ah, ridiculously overblown campaign promises FTW, as the kids say these days. Ho ho ho.


 * So did you win or lose the debate? I'm guessing you won, but perhaps you lost and you are now forced to implement changes that you don't agree with. That's always a tough position to be in.  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 05:53, 4 June 2006 (CDT)


 * There was no majority. The minority parties had to scramble together a coalition at the last moment, but a no confidence motion is imminent and the coalition is sure to collapse. Stock markets have been down in early day trading. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 06:10, 4 June 2006 (CDT)

template:Userbox
The template you made is a few pixels too big... which makes my user page look ugly.. I tried to tinkering with your code but it is beyond me... any chance of fixing it? here is a picture displaying the difference between it & common userboxes on the wiki. --Jamie 09:22, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Perhaps moving the margin from the div into the table would work? I have no idea. Someone more clued into CSS quirks should take a shot at it. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 17:41, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * The template was 2px too big, I found the proper value and changed it (238px to 236px) - Jack  19:00, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

GuildWiki:Requests_for_adminship
Question: On Requests_for_adminship it appears that the only entry on which you have listed as one of the counts for "Support" is the one which you did not nominate. Did you intend to vote support for all the others that you had nominated?

FYI: I'm not a contender. I don't consider myself admin material. Besides, I'm playing other games now and will be here less often going forward. --I am 161.88 12:57, 5 June 2006 (CDT)
 * According to the RfA, a nomination counts as a support vote (see bottom of page). --Draygo Korvan 13:01, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Raisu Palace (Mission)
Thanks, adding it as a tip in the Master's section without the extra verbage seems a better fit. I still want to work on quantifying each some when I get a chance (numbers and types of obstacles), but that will take a while as other projects are up first. --- Barek (talk &bull; contribs) - 17:22, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Tight Editorial Restrictions
Another person's opinion: I disagree 100% with your restrictions. This doesn't allow for any room for creativity, take the Builds section--without the contributions of those anonymous users, we wouldn't have the guides like the N/Mo 55hp Solo Necromancer. I understand that documenting the game is a 100% full-time job, but that doesn't mean GuildWiki should be limited to only that. Of course, this is coming from someone who makes little to no contributions to the GuildWiki--save for the few builds and little pushes I've given to some articles. - Jack  18:51, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Read the bolded dislaimer at the top please. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 20:31, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Even though I read the article, I didn't grasp the fact that you are suggesting a completely seperate wiki. Not a bad idea, but I think Arena Net shouldn't bother doing something like that when they have us :) (Sorry about the outburst) - Jack  21:34, 5 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes, the separate wiki thing took me a minute the first time too. --Tinarto [[Image:Tinarto-gold-Monk-icon-small.png]] 03:50, 6 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I honestly hope ANet does not create an almost rival Wiki. Though I would love to be one of the players selected from the community that could edit. :D And I am not sure how the art department would like not having their work documented. :P --Gares Redstorm 11:20, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

Cya
Good luck with your conferences and whatnot. I agree with Blessed Light's awesomeness ^^ &mdash; Skuld  09:05, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I pass on my regards too on you taking another break, although this time there is a marked lack of fireworks on your departure :P Still it's been nice to have you back these last two weeks making tonnes of contribs again. We'll try to look out for your user page too, because you're in a very exclusive club of people here who've actually had user page vandalism! If you're doing a summer of conferences I guess you're got the student part covered, see if you can rediscover your secondary necromancer too!! ;) --Xasxas256 18:20, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I'm always a student at heart, but it's been several years since I've been enrolled in any educational institution as a student. Conferences happen every summer and fall and I have to make at least a token appearance for papers that have my name among the (usually long list of) authors, although I find reading the papers to be several times more edifying than the blurry days of presentation soup that most conferences are. I guess the networking side of things has its plus points. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:36, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I miss uni too although given the amount of time I spend here on the GuildWiki during work (like right now for example) I'm probably not doing too bad. But seeing the trainees and work placement guys come in does give a bit of a nostalgic gaze sometimes, the last year of uni was great, by that stage you know how to "play the game" and so many elective meant I could do plenty of stuff I liked (in my case as many eco subjects as I could). But I think main reason I miss uni is seeing my sister go out every night because she's just started her 7 weeks of mid semester holidays! Now that's the life! --Xasxas256 19:18, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Do you speak of this arcane thing I hear rumors of, called "dating"? Hmmm.... --Tinarto [[Image:Tinarto-gold-Monk-icon-small.png]] 20:51, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Huh, what are you talking about? Me and Stabber dating? Me and my sister dating? Ugh what's wrong with you! Oh my sister going out on dates. No there's no dating, I must be married to the job or something, I mean I neglect it and take it for granted, aren't they the cornerstones of a modern marrage? Well I only said I'd look after Stabber's user page, I made no mention of any talk pages, I'm sure she'll be incredibly impressed when it's degenerated into a dating guide! --Xasxas256 21:01, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Haha! "How to reach 3rd base on your very first date - The five step approach" by Xasxas256. Now that's worth reading :) &mdash; Fenris  [[Image:FenrisPaw.jpg]] 21:20, 7 June 2006 (CDT)

Uploads
Hey there - you mentioned uploading empirical testing (data files) but the wiki seems only to accept .jpg, .png and .ogg files. I can re-name my excell file to .jpg, and simply have a caution saying that one should change the extension to .xls to open it, but that seems silly. Anyway, I'll gladly contribute any testing I do, but it should be possible within the wiki structure rather than through something like that.--Epinephrine 15:15, 11 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Oh? That's unfortunate. Hmm... how about exporting it as a CSV file and uploading that as plain text in some page? If it's too much work, just forget about it. Having the raw data is only a luxury. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 17:44, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

Ranger masks
Since you were responsible for like half the Ranger galleries, I figure you can help populate Ranger Attribute Headgears with thumbnail shots like how Mesmer Attribute Headgears look. I lack the energy and passion for rangers to download the shots individually and crop them and then reupload them... - 17:21, 11 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Sadly, I don't have a computer with Windows to log into GW. I tried for a long time, but I just can't get GW running under cedega on my strange laptop graphics card. So this will have to wait until I'm back home in mid July. Hopefully someone else can do the honors. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 17:44, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

"don't follow football"
How about "soccer", will they figure out what you mean? d-: - 17:39, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

I like pancakes.
Mmmmm, pancakes. Especially with maple syrup and bacon on the side. -- Bishop [ rap|con ] 10:14, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I like apple pancakes... Mmmm. --Draygo Korvan 10:17, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Bacon, eh? Sorry, I don't dig on swine. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 10:40, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Then stabber you can be a fan of putting a glob of applesauce on top of your pancake and pour maple syrup on top. Mmmmm. --Draygo Korvan 10:42, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Let's keep this PG-13, OK? &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 10:46, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Draygo's got a food fetish. Never heard it called a pancake before though :P --Gares Redstorm 11:20, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Well prepared bacon is irresistible goodness that has caused many a strong man to fall off the kosher wagon. But far be it from me to dictate anyones feeding habits. To each his, or her, own. Pancakes are nice with strawberry marmalade and/or ice cream too. -- [[Image:Bishop_icon2.png]] Bishop [ rap|con ] 11:37, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

Suggestions
I want to say I respect someone that speaks their mind. Hope your having fun travelling around. --Gares Redstorm 11:20, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

When adding borders
...do you resize or crop? -- Bishop [ rap|con ] 14:15, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Just to clarify. This is about the borders of the skill icons. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 15:21, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Resize. Hang on, I wrote a script to do it using ImageMagick and I'm sure it's in this laptop somewhere. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:01, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Here it is. The incantation you need to convert an unboxed  to a boxed   is:
 * Replace  with   for elites. HTH &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:11, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Replace  with   for elites. HTH &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:11, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * It does help, thanks. I may be be able to squeeze in some time for adding those borders tonight. -- [[Image:Bishop_icon2.png]] Bishop [ rap|con ] 05:50, 16 June 2006 (CDT)

Game update 1RV issue
I've been sitting at my desk for the last half an hour thinking about what I should say on the issue and basically I'm a bit torn. I quite like both you and Karlos, Karlos is a good guy having spoken to him on several occasions in game and he obviously cares about the wiki and it's contributors. However I'm big wrap for your presence here, I think you look at things a bit differently and you're prepared to tackle a wider range of things than the average contributor. So I feel bad "picking a side", however I think Karlos did the wrong thing reverting again. To me when you re-re-reverted and then requested a ban and protection on PanSola's talk page it looked like you fell on your sword. Requesting a ban on just Karlos looks bad whereas intentionally breaking the rule and requesting a ban of the both of you doesn't.

I could be wrong about the falling on the sword thing but either way you both (in my opinion) did too much reverting! But I think that Karlos should have taken it to the talk page instead of doing the first re-revert. My high opinion of both of you hasn't diminished, everybody makes mistakes and I don't think either of you should be hung out to dry for it. So there's my take, if even Gares Redstorm is getting stuck in then I should state my opinion. If you don't want to remove the +ban tag which is currently placed on you, I'd be happy to, just ask. --Xasxas256 22:27, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

If you have left (again),
Leave for good this time. And take your sockpuppets with you. I have proof of at least two you created since you retired User:Esan, but I'll give you a chance first to leave with the last remaining shreds of your dignity. You are not so valuable that the wiki can tolerate any amount of disruptive behaviour from you. Vandalism is curable, but you are a cancer. Please, don't ever return. 70.17.169.122 08:58, 16 June 2006 (CDT)
 * And are you just an anon user, or a sockpuppet of another registered user who has expressed discontent at Stabber before? Who are you to give other people chances to do something on GuildWiki?  If Stabber is a cancer, then your above behavior is the small pox during the early colonization of North America.  - 09:06, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I was a registered user here many moons ago, but now am "just an anon user". It should be pretty obvious who I am if you give it a little thought. 70.17.169.122 09:19, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * This is just another attempt to piss off the allready pissed off Stabber. (The only thing that the 'anon' can do to revenge last time ;) ) There is no reason to call someone a cancer and blame of something without proof if that person is one of the most helpfull wikians and has never done anything worse than fought against others in talk pages and taken part in one revert war. I stand with Stabber, once again. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 09:21, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I have a suspect or I wouldn't have asked. And if you are truely that person, then I'm quite disappointed in your choosing to escalate the issue, especially after so many moons. - 09:23, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Have the guts to post under your username. This is such a stupid comment it'd be laughable if it wasn't so offensive. Karlos has already apologised and said he lost his temper during the incident on the game update page. I hope Stabber doesn't take your idiotic comments to heart, "last shreds of your dignity", honestly, I'm not even going to bother writing anything else, you're not worth bothering with. --Xasxas256 09:24, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Oh, believe me I would if I could simply recall or retrieve my password. Also, this has nothing to do with me or Karlos. I am well aware that Stabber has legions of fans, but he (yes he) is still guilty of disrupting the wiki to make a point (far from the first time). Who knows what he plans to do with his sockpuppets that he can't even keep straight consistently, but whatever it is, I am sure a person does not need more than one "alt" persona for any reasonable activity. I am confident that you and Gem, at least, are not more of Stabber's sockpuppets, so I guess he does have at least two genuine supporters, but you should really do a little legwork before you pledge your support. 70.17.169.122 09:59, 16 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Sympathy/support for Stabber will only increase with your current style of critism, regardless of the facts. How one person say certain things affects how other people perceive the speaker, and the speaker's message.  Of course you might not care about how many supporters Stabber has, or whether s/he gains or lose supporters because of what you say here.  Afterall, even if half the planet's population decide to support Stabber, if s/he decides to leave, s/he will.  However, if you want actual administrative action be taken against Stabber, you should pay attention to your presentation of information. - 10:09, 16 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Besides, I dont think we have permabanned anyone on this wiki. At most stabber needs a short wikibreak. But I have never seen someone getting an indefinate ban for revert wars. I disagree with you Seventy.twenty.x.x. What he did does not mean he should be gone from the wiki for good. --Draygo Korvan 10:20, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * You have me mispegged. I used to be F G. I suspect Seventy.twenty.x.x to be another of Stabber's sockpuppets, in fact. 70.17.169.122 10:28, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I have long given up hope of administrative action being taken against him. My last and best attempt ended up in flames. All I am doing here is appealing to any decency left in him to do the right thing and leave for good. In truth, I expect this attempt to fail also, and Stabber will be back in a week or three with no improvement to the situation. And, like clockwork, something will snap again in a month and he will stage another grand exit. And, because exits are only dramatic the first time, and are increasingly pathetic subsequently, he will have to do something even more ridiculous the next time he snaps to get everyone's attention. Perhaps he will use his bot flagged account to do a mass vandalism. Perhaps he will engage in a revert war with a sockpuppet. Who knows. It is far too late to assume good faith on his part. In fact, the evidence is clear. After the vandals, the next most disruptive person on this site is Stabber. Why is that, has anyone asked? Why do you tolerate him? 70.17.169.122 10:28, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * First of all, I believe there are at least 4 people who are more disruptive than Stabber, including myself and 2 other admins. Why do we tolerate Stabber?  Probably because s/he's no worse than quite a number of us, before we even take into consideration of the value of his/her contributions (which you and the much of the community also disagree greatly).  We are just disruptive in different manners/areas that might be more easily overlooked or tolerated by you. There is a difference between being disruptive and being destructive, and people do commit disruptive actions out of good intentions, or at least none-hostile intentions.  You are speculating that s/he perhaps might turn destructive in order to gain attention, based on a history of disruptive behavior, and I have to disagree with your logic there.  All in all, the community itself is far more disrupted by this escalating hostil tension for which you are at least partially responsible for, than by most of Stabber's actions. - 10:49, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * interesting you share the same IP range as 70.20. Anyway, I am in primary disagreement with you because I dont think anyone should be banned from the wiki for life. That is a harsh level of punishment that should be only reserved for the worst of the repeat offenders. If any action would be taken against stabber, it would have to be equivilant to what an anon user would get for participating in such a revert war. This would follow the policy layed out here: GW:YOU. It simply states that no person on the wiki is more significant than another in contributions. All serious contributions need to be given the same weight. I extend this to infractions as well. I think you are being rash, and are overreacting to this situation which is already resolved. --Draygo Korvan 10:34, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * As far as I see it, you're the only person who has a problem "tolerating" Stabber, the rest of us generally don't have a problem getting along with her. Draygo, F G had a bone the size of a flagpole to pick with Stabber (and Esan) for a long time but supposedly left ages ago. You can read about the arbitration if you're interested I suppose. F G, I can't imagine why you've hung around just waiting for Stabber to slip up so you can see "ah ha, I've got you now!" Anyway I've got better things to do with my time than arguing the toss, I'm going to bed. --Xasxas256 10:40, 16 June 2006 (CDT)


 * So Stabber has 2 sockpuppets this time, not only one? And I'm not a sockpuppet? What a relief to hear that, I was almost suspecting myself allready. Btw, I by no means think that you are disturbed in some way and that you should get professional help. I think its perfectly normal to stalk a wiki to get the chance to accuse a user of using sockpuppets and what not. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 10:47, 16 June 2006 (CDT)