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Special:Editcount
The stats are all wacked. It used to track all my contributions. Now the stats don't make sense even if I assume it only reflects "stats of the past month". -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 23:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Mine still work. I had ~9900 before and after the new WikiaStats was introduced. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Editcount says I only have 426 total edits, whereas WikiaStats say 9k+... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Works fine for me too... Well, when I check my editcount, that is. Yours is indeed borked (Special:Editcount/PanSola). Also look at the "All Wikis" thingy. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've reported the issue ... someone should be able to take a look at it soon. --KyleH (talk) 23:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is a related error, but the edits shown from Special:Editcount any my Special:Preferences is different by more than 1,000 edits. (T/C) 17:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * My editcount in Prefs shows 3k spot-on. Nothing on Special:Editcount matches that. So, yeah. Weird. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  21:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Special:Editcount says I have ~18,000, with the most in any one namespace being ~6,500 in Main, while Special:Preferences says I only have ~11,000 total. Definitely confusing.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Editcount includes deleted revisions but preferences does not? 208.44.247.101 01:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Special:Contributions/HANSAEWOO = 0 edits
 * Special:DeletedContributions/HANSAEWOO = 2 edits
 * Special:Editcount/HANSAEWOO = 0 edits
 * Good idea, but doesn't look like it. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 02:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a btw, only sysops can see deleted revisions. --Shadowcrest  02:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This looks like it is resolved now. Does it look good to you now too?  --KyleH (talk) 21:38, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I still see PanSola's edit count as 426 edits, not the 9000+ he has. --Shadowcrest  21:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * D'oh ... I was just looking in the right column. You're right.  --KyleH (talk) 21:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My Special:Editcount and the number displayed in my preferences has a 500 edit difference.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]îğá†ħŕášħ 22:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mine has a 400 edit difference. Also, on my editcount, it claims I have more contributions in GuildWiki than I have on all Wikias :P Seems to be missing 2 talk page edits --Gimmethegepgun 22:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm still working on this ... --KyleH (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reassurance (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Random bump. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 01:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Site Completely Un-browse able Due to Script Error.
This is coming up for me on EVERY page on the wiki in Firefox2. Started a few days ago, but seeing as I haven't had any time to even use the computer, I'm just now reporting it. Anyone else having this issue? The page mostly loads, freezes for a few seconds then that pops up, and if I don't hit stop script, it will stay frozen. Really a pain in the ass. --   Isk8   (T/C) 19:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Turn off script debugging. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How? And how did this just start happening out of nowhere? -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   Isk8   (T/C) 19:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm using FF2 myself, with ABP and the "Stop! Hammertime!" add-ons. Nothing is borking for me. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  19:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Isk8-Firebug1.jpg|400px]] [[Image:Isk8-Firebug2.jpg|400px]] I'm using Greasemonkey, Firebug, ABP, and a few other misc. addons. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   Isk8   (T/C) 19:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently turning off Greasemonkey stopped it for the time being. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Isk8   (T/C) 19:22, 28 September 2008

(UTC)
 * Fine for me - try noscript - and look at the scripts running and see if there is anything else that could cause errors (FYI: FF3 > FF2) Random Time  19:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't even installed FF3, I didn't know if all the addons from FF2 would work with it. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   Isk8   (T/C) 21:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The good majority do. But I'd still recommend you see if you can find an extra ff2 installer lying around so you can downgrade if needed.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  22:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

sidebar and top bar
These essential parts of the wiki skin refuse to show up for me unless I refresh each page several times. Sometimes IE does not even detect that there was an error. Either something siteside is broken or new Microsoft updates don't like GuildWiki. >.> (T/C) 04:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm seeing this in IE7 as well. In FF3, I'm seeing an error "quantserve is not defined" at various line numbers.  (Quantserve is a tracking service from Quantcast.)  I'm actually seeing this on other sites as well, now that I'm looking for it, so it's probably an error in Quantserve's javascript.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I've loaded some pages on IE7 yesterday, and the bars showed up for me. They've always showed up on FF so far, unless I left some divs unclosed.. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Dunno if this is of any relevance, but in FF3, when I opened a page, it loaded the content, but not the top/side bars, then it sat there for a good 5 seconds saying "Transferring data from media.fastclick.net..." Would that be related to the cause of the problem?  I dunno if wiki uses that site for anything.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 02:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * IE sometimes gives an error about getElementsByID at line X is null or not an object. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * media.fastclick; isn't that ads? Could explain why I don't have such problems; Ads are blocked for me. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  12:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I need to stop forgetting that you guys are using Monobook. Anyway, I was able to reproduce both this problem and the upload problem.  I've bugged the appropriate people and I'll let you know when I find out more. --KyleH (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just for a little more info, not sure if it helps or not, my bars are showing up about 15% of the time. But most of the time they don't. [[Image:Shogankillername.jpg|x19px]] 20:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, see this, the toolbox appears at the bottom ... --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 00:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice illustration of the "uploaded, but missing picture" bug. Anyway, that funniness is because your browser doesn't receive the CSS from wikia. If it thinks it has an incomplete copy and that is the correct one, the instructions at w:Special:MyPage/global.css may help you (?). --◄mendel► 14:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My sidebar and top bar are also not showing up... 100% of the time, no matter how many times I refresh the page or clear my browser cache. No error message popping up either.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See .CSS hack a few subheaders below this. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't help. Sidebar and top bar still isn't showing up.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * IE/FF/Opera/Safari/other? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  21:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Refresh and it appears eventually. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

uploading images
I can not upload images any more. When I hit the "Upload" button, it blanks out whatever I had entered into the "Source filename" field, thus resulting in the "The file you uploaded seems to be empty..." error. (T/C) 09:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What browser and operating system are you using? --KyleH (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I had the same problem in IE7, started with all of the recent mumbo-jumbo crap. No error, but it clears the "Browse" field when I hit upload.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 18:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ^What she said. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm installing IE7 now so I can do some testing. I'll let you know what I find out. --KyleH (talk) 18:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Also check out the shole side and top navigation bar thingy. It shows up for me sometimes, and usually it doesn't.  E7 on XP.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 21:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

broken tag somewhere
Occasionally when I load a page, everything is in the center, as if the entire page was enclosed in a tag. One of them must be broken or unclosed somewhere in the code. (T/C) 19:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you reload the page, does it fix it? Also, any specific places it happened, or just random crap? --Gimmethegepgun 19:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen it on Felix's talkpage and also on the Recent Changes. Goes away with reload(s). I often have to reload many times anyway, to get the sidebars back. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Happened to me a few days ago when I refreshed my Talk page in IE7. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

wiki freezes up
On a diff comp, whenever i go to a Wikia wiki (GWiki being the most often), i see "Waiting for "http://pixel.quantserve.com/pixel/p-01-0VIaSjnOLg.gif?tags=ADSDAQ.HOBBIesINTeReSTS ..." at the bottom of my ie7 and it just stays like that forever... any solution? --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 00:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See above, it's a bug in Quantserve's javascript. It's very likely that this bug is also causing the sidebar/etc. to not load.  Kyle has bugged the appropriate people about it.  In the meantime, Firefox is not crippled by this bug, so you might want to try it instead.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 01:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You can also add (courtesy of Wizardboy):
 * to your .css and that will take care of the hanging problem, and the sidebar one sometimes. However, since the default skin while not logged in is monaco, it can still hit you on the way in and out. >.> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Add ?useskin=monobook to your "way in" bookmark/shortcut (or add &useskin=monobook if that URL already has a "?" in it) to avoid the monaco detour. --◄mendel► 05:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool. Do you have one for the "way out" also? Or actually, that's not possible since then it would have to be sitewide and we can't do that. I think... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * For in and out, you can put the CSS in w:Special:MyPage/global.css, that applies it to all skins on all Wikia wikis. --◄mendel► 05:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ..... no wait ... you're right, there's no way to do it for not-logged in users without disabling the ads, which we are forbidden to do by Wikia. --◄mendel► 05:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I can at least get it to work for me, so that's cool. Thanks, Father. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That one would do it for the way out, though. And you really ought to adress me as "brother". --◄mendel► 05:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I like that, but I can see how it's kind of useless too...after all we always prefer if people make an account, if only because it improves our WikiStats! It was my understanding that Gregor Mendel would be addressed as Brother only by those meeting or exceeding his status; and children or the like would address him as Father. But maybe I'm wrong on that. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, well thanks guys it seems to be gone... for now --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 22:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, well thanks guys it seems to be gone... for now --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 22:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Showhide box
This is broken for me. The links to "show/hide" the box are missing. They also refuse to close on their own, even if there is more than one on a page as they normally would. Probably because they use JS for this sort of function (?), and that's usually broken for me. (T/C) 05:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Status updates
I've consolidated all these issues because I believe that they are related. I apologize that it is taking a while to get a fix out for this, but we're currently reworking the way that ads are displayed on Monobook, so it's taking a little bit longer than it should. I'll let you know when I have more information. --KyleH (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have finally been able to confirm that this problem should be completely fixed now. Let me know if you experience any more javascript problems. --KyleH (talk) 00:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Server Failure at life.
I've tried posting something on progger's talk, and its failed no less than 7 times. I just gave up in the end. It's probably going to fail to post this, too. &mdash; Warw/Wick 14:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It took 6 tries to get this one working. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 14:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It took 1 try to type this. My guess is it's on your end. --[[Image:Progger.png]] - talk 14:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Working flawlessly for me atm. It's even fast. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  14:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * My meditating gurus are varnishing. (not that often but I shouldn't be seeing it ever >.>) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This is also showing up for some people when they first try to load GuildWiki:

Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Apache Server at gw.gamewikis.org Port 80

Danger Will Robinson! (T/C) 01:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Use guildwars.wikia.com directly. --◄mendel► 09:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah ... some stuff broke ... it should be fixed now. Sorry :( --KyleH (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikia supports porn
What the deuce is this? 19:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a Kevin Smith film. Zack and Miri Make a Porno --KyleH (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well ask them to change their spotlight ad. We have kids 10 years old coming here. And yes, I am objecting to the word "porno," not the link. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll pass the feedback along. --KyleH (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No offense but, ugh - bad choice Random Time  21:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * According to imdb, that film is rated at age 16 to 18, depending on the locale, and GuildWars is rated 12, so it really isn't appropriate. --◄mendel► 22:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought "Teen" was 13-18. >.> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the low end we're looking at here, frankly. Two notes: a number of theaters nationwide will not be playing this movie because its R rating was basically a personal favor to the director and it's really more like NC-17, and tonight I saw an official TV commercial for the movie which called it simply "Zack and Miri." Is Wikia's moral sense looser than cable television's? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So does the fact that you link your talk page with a "T" mean that it is rated Teen, Entropy? ;-) Anyway, I bet movies rated T are appropriate for 13-99 (but Z&M isn't, is it?). And then there was this cinema where this bunch of kids went to see "Zack and Miri", and the cashier looks at them says and says: I'm sorry to disappoint you lot, but you really must be 18 to see this movie, and the kid at the other side of the counter says, why do you think I've brought 17 friends? --◄mendel► 07:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC) & 07:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Entropy: Guild Wars is rated 12 in the UK. Random Time  08:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You savage Brits [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I am still seeing this ad. I would like to request that Wikia remove it completely until the Kevin Smith wiki people make a new one. 23:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Images without extensions
Recently there have been a few images uploaded to the wiki that lack a file extension in their name (Image:Ultimate collection ;D, Image:Great isn't it?-D are from today). Is there a way to prevent people from uploading files without extensions? --Shadowcrest 18:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This reminds me of when person uploaded an .exe, I thought this extentions issue was dealt with... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like the extensions issue was only partially dealt with ... please don't delete that image until I can get our tech team to look at it. --KyleH (talk) 00:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Monk >.> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:08, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Grimsdale Wildfire &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Interlanguage links
I guess it's futile to ask for the wikis listed in Category:Templates/Links to be added to the interwiki map, but nl: and es: really should be in the interlanguage table (and maybe cn: for w:c:guildwarscn:)? I'm asking because I'm presently building interwiki link templates. --◄mendel► 20:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * gww:, gw2w: and pvx: are already on the interwiki list, were there others that need adding? I just checked the interlanguage table to ensure all the variations are in there - including es and nl.  New ones may take up to 24 hours to show (they tend to get cached) but please let me know of any that aren't working after that.  Thanks -- sannse (talk) 12:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The four templates (gw.de, gw.es, gw.fr, gw.it) link to our "sister" wikis not on Wikia, and it'd be nice to have them on the list, even if they can't be set up in the interlanguage system. Thanks for taking care of the Wikia interlanguage links, I can see es: is working already! --◄mendel► 19:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * nl has kicked in too now. We can add the others to the interwiki list, but it's probably best not to use abbreviation with full-stops (periods) in.  It probably won't have any effect, but it's good to be cautious.  Is there another suitable abbreviation?  Either way, please add any additions you want to http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map and a Central admin or someone else with access will add them -- sannse (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and thanks for the hint. :D --◄mendel► 00:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Not getting enough ECs (lol)
So recently there have been a number of cases (many of them on my part) where someone writes a comment, and it "eats" someone else's comment, totally replacing it on the page. The other person's is still in the history n stuff. Normally, you get edit conflicts to prevent this. What's going on? (T/C) 21:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Another similar case is on articles; 2 people editing the same thing. Say, change Kournan Scouts to Kournan Scouts . The second to press edit doesn't get EC'd, the edit does show up in RC, but without any changes. As if the second person made a null edit (which don't pop up on RC). --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  10:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This is still going on, would be nice if someone at Wikia could look into it. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 00:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I just got another one (it didn't make a difference, but in my edit window, I changed the last number from 64 to 66, not 65 to 66).  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 18:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking in to this ... --KyleH (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Game updates
Hi got this error on the Game updates talk page, but the rest of the site was working OK...???... Wierd:



Himm Taeguk  (T/C) 15:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Now Fixed, oh well :p. Himm Taeguk  (T/C) 15:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, some times the meditating gurus need varnishing. Happens to everyone once in a while. --Macros 15:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's an issue with Wikia's front-end cache servers, which use a memory caching service called Varnish. The Guru Meditation has a much older origin, though.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting reading as ever Ishy :D Himm Taeguk  (T/C) 16:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. ^_^ &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Other Wikia wikis
Why is it GuildWiki is the only Wikia wiki that doesn't look like this? --Macros 11:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Cause we're just that good and/or Kyle is oorsome like that [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * w:c:fallout looks fine to me - intermittent glitch? But yeah, we're special. --◄mendel► 13:34, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Mendel suggested switching to the quartz skin to see if it worked, and it did. Switching back to monobook makes the wikis break again. --Macros 14:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Is that bug still happening? I can't seem to reproduce it.  GuildWiki is special (that is, it has a separate version of Monobook), but the rest of Wikia shouldn't look like that anyway. --KyleH (talk) 21:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Macros told me on irc that it doesn't happen on Quartz (I suggested tryng that), so the problem seems to be with Wikia's monobook and monaco skins - remember GuildWiki is special for having its own GWmonobook.php skin. I told him to try that because I caught a conversation on #wikia the other where another person seemed to have similar problems, possibly related to some plugins. --◄mendel► 22:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to be working now. For some reason... --Macros 22:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

HANGING CHADS?!
I've noticed with the new way that polls work - the tallies do not seem to update in any meaningful way until I make an edit to the page. For example, I have a few polls on my userpage. One of them had ~31 votes, another ~15, another ~3, and the last ~8. After I edited my page, the counts were ~40, ~30, ~18, ~24, or something like that.

Do we have to make null edits to see updated polls? Or is this yet another problem with IE? :C (T/C) 14:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Updates just fine on Firefox. :\ -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Isk8   (T/C) 03:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Doesn't update normally for me, but whenever I vote on something I do a purge of the system cache and it shows up :P --Gimmethegepgun 03:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It shows me what other people voted before I vote, and I can change my vote at any time, is that normal?--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá <font color="Brown">turkey 03:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Dunno, but I get the same thing. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 04:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

While we're on the topic of polls: What happened to the "You voted x"? --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  12:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Links not working
Lately when I'm trying to browse the main page, i have to take alternate routes because the direct link isn't working. For example, when i clicked on elite skills, it brought me to a page with a bunch of scripts and codes on it. There are also a few more links that are working right for me, i don't know if its a site problem or just me. Please let me know (if it is just me) if there's any way to fix the problem, any other input on the problem would be appreciated too.
 * thanks,Pure Killin
 * Now its starting to work again, thanks to ne1 who might have fixed it

Tabs broken for Monobook
I am extremely chagrined for making things very inconvenient for Monobook users for a while. Because of caching I hadn't realized that my change to Mediawiki:monobook.css had broken things when I logged off last night. I have since repaired the change, previewing that via my personal monobook.css (which I should have done in the first place), and I trust that when the cache updates &mdash; this should take less than 24 hours &mdash;, the top navbar will be gone (as it is now) and the personal links, tabs and logo will have moved up.

As a stopgap fix until the cache updates, you can add the following lines to your Special:MyPage/monobook.css or switch to Monaco temporarily. Again, I apologize. --◄mendel► 14:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) column-one { padding-top: 145px; }
 * 2) p-logo { top: 0em; }
 * 3) p-personal { top: 0.6em; }
 * 4) p-cactions { top: 1.9em; }


 * The issue is completely fixed now. See User_talk:M.mendel if you want the navbar back, and contact me or examine Vipermagi's css if you want it back but empty or with custom text. --◄mendel► 19:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Mendel, note that I have't put a custom text in there yet. Couldn't think of anything really, since links wouldn't work. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  19:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure
The sitenotice shouldn't have this written on it:

!-- var cookieName = "dismissSiteNotice="; var cookiePos = document.cookie.indexOf(cookieName); var siteNoticeID = "1.19"; var siteNoticeValue = "\x3cdiv align=\"center\"\x3e\n\x3ctable style=\"background: #E6EFEF; border: 2px solid black; text-align:center\"\x3e\n\x3ctr\x3e\n\x3ctd\x3e\n\x3cp\x3e\x3cspan style=\"font-size:1.2em\"\x3e\x3cb\x3eHave a suggestion for GuildWiki? \x3ca href=\"/wiki/GuildWiki:Suggestions\" title=\"GuildWiki:Suggestions\"\x3eWe\'d like to hear it\x3c/a\x3e!\x3c/b\x3e\x3c/span\x3e\n\x3c/p\x3e\n\x3c/td\x3e\x3c/tr\x3e\x3c/table\x3e\n\x3c/div\x3e\n\x3cdiv align=\"center\"\x3e\n\x3ctable style=\"background: #E6EFEF; border: 2px solid black; text-align:center\"\x3e\n\x3ctr\x3e\n\x3ctd\x3e\n\x3cp\x3e\x3cspan style=\"font-size:1.2em\"\x3e\x3cb\x3eWintersday Decorations are going up! \x3ca href=\"/wiki/User:Entropy/Wintersday\" class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"User:Entropy/Wintersday\"\x3eSee here for more information\x3c/a\x3e!\x3c/b\x3e\x3c/span\x3e\n\x3c/p\x3e\n\x3c/td\x3e\x3c/tr\x3e\x3c/table\x3e\n\x3c/div\x3e\n\x3cp\x3e\x3cbr /\x3e\n\x3c/p\x3e\x3cp\x3e\x3cbr /\x3e\n\x3c/p\x3e"; var cookieValue = ""; var msgClose = "dismiss"; if (cookiePos > -1) { cookiePos = cookiePos + cookieName.length; var endPos = document.cookie.indexOf(";", cookiePos); if (endPos > -1) { cookieValue = document.cookie.substring(cookiePos, endPos); } else { cookieValue = document.cookie.substring(cookiePos); } } if (cookieValue != siteNoticeID) { function dismissNotice { var date = new Date; date.setTime(date.getTime + 30*86400*1000); document.cookie = cookieName + siteNoticeID + "; expires="+date.toGMTString + "; path=/"; var element = document.getElementById('siteNotice'); element.parentNode.removeChild(element); } document.writeln(''); document.writeln(' '+siteNoticeValue+' ['+msgClose+']

'); } -->

but maybe its just me. :\ &mdash; Warw/Wick 17:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That's the javascript that displays the site notice or hides it based on the value of a user cookie. It also sets the cookie when the user clicks on "dismiss".  So yes, it should be there.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 17:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Should probably change the link from User:Entropy/Wintersday to GuildWiki/Wintersday though Viruzzz 17:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ishy, thats what was being displayed as the sitenotice. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that wasn't clear in your original post. It's probably something bugged on your end or temporary, it's displaying (or rather, not displaying) fine for me in both FF/IE and both Monaco/Monobook.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Wintersday Skin
Please report bugs with the wintersday skin here. Known glitches at this time include: --◄mendel► 12:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The Monobook tabs look slightly oversized on Internet Explorer.
 * There has been one report of incompatibilities with importing monaco-common.css.
 * Sometimes Wikia image servers refuse to display all the background images.

Theme not visible due to caching
It may take a few hours for Wikia cache servers to deliver the wintersday style. :-( --◄mendel► 12:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe Monobook has now updated to winter, while Monaco hasn't yet. --◄mendel► 13:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Still no sign of Monaco winter on my end. --◄mendel► 22:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have posted to the central Wikia help desk about this issue. --◄mendel► 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Skin does not update

 * I use the "classic" skin, whichever that name is (I think that was Monobook?), and I still don't see it. I use FF3. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh ha ha! Ctrl+F5 FTW! RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal Navigation links
My top navigation bar (Username "my talk" "my watchlist" "log out" etc.) are almost impossible to see. They are blue on blue snow, and there's no shaded box behind them... *sigh* RoseOfKali 18:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This number can be adjusted to force your personal links down into the white area so they are visible. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This number can be adjusted to force your personal links down into the white area so they are visible. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A more complex but more elegant solution, based on what Wizardboy did:

background: white; width: 470px; float: right; position: relative; top: -2px; border: 1px solid gray; padding: 0 2em 0 0; }
 * 1) p-personal ul {
 * I was about to put that into my own .css when I saw the comments here. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Eh, I'm not gonna bother with that. It's only temporary, anyway, and I can still sort of see them. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 19:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I like them that way. I thought the issue wasn't very serious because once you mouse over them, they should show a white background and be readable. --◄mendel► 22:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Browser performance
Unfortunately (as it looks very nice) I've had to disable the wintersday theme as it seriously degrades the performance of my browser while viewing it (FF3, other tabs are unaffected, only guildwiki tab). While scrolling the page there is heavy shearing of images (including the new background) and lag. This is the only site that I have experienced this on since I left dialup behind. Yggdrasil 19:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * For me, the snowy background on the left scrolls faster than the main page text, but it's bearable. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 19:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason is that the trees stay fixed to the lower right screen corner, which makes them visible even at the top of long pages. There is no easy fix without compromising the design, I'm afraid, except the Microsoft way (= get a faster PC already!). --◄mendel► 22:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A workaround for the shearing (and some other issues) has been posted to GuildWiki talk:Wintersday/Wiki decorations. I apologize for the inconvenience. --◄mendel► 06:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

runs fine on Icecat
Well I showed you what it looks like on Ice Cat, and to be honest Icecat is experiencing none of the problems anyone else is. There is no slowdown at all, no messed up images or anything. In fact it runs better on Icecat than on Firefox, no idea why to be honest. They are both using the same plugins. If anyone has any problems on Icecat let me know as I might be able to help them configure it properly. Tenetke Mekko 14:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, so it's a .bz2 file... So what the hell do I do with it? O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 15:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You're running Icecat on a Linux distro though, not on that Windows? --◄mendel► 16:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Huu? I need Linux to run it? O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you would need Linux to use Icecat sorry, I don't think it will even compile using mingw. I was posting to let you know that the problems reported about the page slowing, and problems with the images mentioned above maybe related directly to firefox. Just didn't want you thinking it was the .css itself that had done anything wrong. [[Image:Spikeicon.png]]Tenetke MekkoMy Talk Page 19:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's a browser- or OS-specific issue, I think it's because the images are somewhat large: the total file size of the two main background images is just under 500kB. You'd need quite a bit of processing power to scroll that much image data quickly.  (Linux might have an edge up on Windows, though, as it has less kludge in the background taking up resources.)  Also, the Wikia image servers run slow sometimes, which can delay page loading for some people.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 19:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The images have to be loaded just once, unless your local browser cache is set to less than 5MB or so. I doubt the compressed size of the images matters any when scrolling is concerned; if it does, the browser fails. I should expect them to be rendered at screen resolution and scrolled from that. But since the trees are staying fixed, the text has to be redrawn on it with each scroll step; the browser can't simply "push the whole page up". --◄mendel► 23:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and my processing power is a 3-year-old PC. --◄mendel► 06:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

more issues
Post them here, please. --◄mendel► 22:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Feature proposal/request - Recentchanges enhancement
Something a bored tech might be able to whip up over an afternoon: For items in the Special:RecentChanges, add a class for each   corresponding to the namespace of the page in question. For simplicity, the naming can simply be by the namespace number. This will allow wikis (and/or users) to style RC entries depending on the namespace.

This greatly supplements (though still cannot serve as a replacement of) the current inadequate filtering system of RC (which only allows one namespace to be filtered in or out), especially when combined with page-specific CSS and special page transclusion. Users can create pages transcluding the RC, and use page-specific CSS to emphasize and de-emphasize multiple namespaces at once. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 05:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You can use a CSS3-compatible browser (well, there isn't one yet, but...) that can select on attribute-substrings; that way, you can invoke a CSS rule on the href or title attribute of a link, and with the sibling combinators you can probably style the rest of the line. Example for simple styling (without siblings) that works in Firefox 3:

body.page-Special_RecentChanges * a[title^="Template"] { background:LemonChiffon; font-size:125%;} body.page-Special_RecentChanges * a[title^="Special:Log"] { color:green; font-weight:bold; }
 * If you want more than this, I can try to make it work. --◄mendel► 07:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ideally I wanna hit the entire line (which is a table), and I doubt CSS will support parent selectors even when we get to CSS5 )-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

small pics missing
maybe my computer is on the fritz (tho i don't think so) but it seems about 2/5ths of the skill and proffesion icons are gone, among a couple of other things. is this my cumputer prooving i desperatly need a new one b4 GW2 (i'm amazed i can even run gw1 on it, ppl complain of lag at 14 fps, i say i'm doing realy well at 10, vandal, or did something i didn't know about happen?

the Elite skills list is especially full of holes now Akbaroth 07:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * nvm, it's definitely my comp on the fritz, moments after i posted that it all went back to normal, srry for the waste of spaceAkbaroth 07:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is only you; I've been getting some sporadic errors as well. It seems the Wikia image servers are acting up again. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

So anyway, archive soon? RoseOfKali 21:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I just think the Wikia Servers are slooooow. It takes a long time for a page to open, a long time for all the images to load, and I ocasionally get a timeout or error saying whatever I'm looking for isn't there (on the internet in general, not on the wiki). BTW, yeah seems like this could use an archivisation (i think i just made up that word).--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 21:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't seem to have any problems loading wikia. It might just be your internet in general.  We have Qwest DSL and for a long time we kept getting drops and horrible lag spikes.  Turned out they had some errors at the distribution sub-station or whatever the thing is called.  At least, that was the "official" story.  Once that was fixed, it ran perfect.  And the bastards kept telling us to get a new modem...  We did, but then we returned it, cus that wasn't the problem.  Your timeouts seem painfully familiar...  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * it's not my internet in general,i can say this with certainty. my comp sucks, but my interent is fast as lightning and i've never had problems with this site b4 now, and i have been coming here for over 2 years. it only seems to happen after 11:00p.m. -8gmt tho, wich i find odd. meh i guess i'll just put it to karma (altho i don't beleive in it), cus i'm supposed to be in bed by 10pm and it only happens after 11, still been up on the wiki from 8pm-3am poking around and this never happend.Akbaroth 07:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I do have the same problems popping up this morning. Strange enough only on a few pages (like Mind Shock), images pointing to 'nocookie.net' ? Strange...-- [[Image:merty_sign.gif]]-- ( talk ) 08:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This may or may not be related, but lately I've been having problems just accessing the site. I have to try repeatedly till it "catches" and I can get on. Perhaps there are larger forces at work. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 09:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My internet is just fine, I can access other sites perfectly, but I seem to have issues with guildwiki. I haven't exactly thought about what time it usually happens at, but it's possible that it's only between certain hours (It's fine right now).--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 11:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There were some issues last night and earlier today with our image caching servers. Those issues should be resolved now.  Are you still having difficulty? --KyleH (talk) 01:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The only problem I ever have is that I sometimes have to wait kind of long after hitting the Save page button before it reloads the page. Also, the Image:Eternal Survivor.jpg was updated with a white background a while ago, but the thumbnail on Monument of Honor never changed, not matter how many times I Ctrl+F5'd. RoseOfKali 01:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Did you try purging the image's page? I did that just now, and the thumbnail was recreated with the "clean" version of the image.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 02:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd tried it before on the image page AND on the article and it didn't work, but worked this time. O_o Oh well. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 02:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Semantic Media Wiki & Semantic Forms
As per the ample warning and lack of major objections here, I would like to request the SMW and SF extensions be enabled, so that I can do a pilot test program on a subset of GuildWiki articles to gather feedback. Thanks. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 18:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! I should note that Semantic Forms isn't fully supported yet, but as far as I know everything works properly, so I have enabled both. --KyleH (talk) 22:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Square box ad on a "short" page
Hi, today while patrolling Special:Random, I came across Sunspear_Paragon_skills which is a short page with a table that has a sqare box ad, making it look weird. Can the ad logic be tweaked to display a horizontal long ad for pages with that format? We probably have several impacted similarity. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 21:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, the following pages which have a similar layout but I do not see any ad at all:
 * Sunspear Warrior skills
 * Sunspear Ranger skills
 * Sunspear Monk skills
 * Sunspear Necromancer skills
 * Sunspear Mesmer skills
 * Sunspear Elementalist skills
 * Sunspear Ritualist skills
 * Sunspear Assassin skills
 * Sunspear Dervish skills
 * Did Sunspear Paragon skills simply hit a character count limit that triggered the advertisement? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The ad logic tries to estimate the length of a given page to determine how short it really is. Character count is one of the measures that it uses.  In the case of Sunspear Paragon skills, it is larger than a stub, but the layout isn't enough to trigger a collision threshold. --KyleH (talk) 22:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

IE bullet point bug
Hey, on the subject of new bullet points (where they are centered on the paragraph and not at the first line), is there a way to turn that off? I am having a very difficult time locating the start of each bullet which makes it hell to return to the page and find the same information twice. 18:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you give an example of a page that exhibit this behavior, as well as information on your browser information? Screenshot could be useful too. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is an IE / MediaWiki interaction bug. Shadowcrest made a test page a while back, and there's a screenshot as well. -- ◄mendel► 22:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Bluh? People still use IE? <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  22:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * For additional info, that bug only appears on Monaco skins, and doesn't affect Quartz or the Gamewikis version of Monobook. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * o haha, i saw shadowcrest's test page a long time ago and thought that the wiki changed the bullets purposly, but on that note I havnt changed anything and they seem to be at the first line again... [[Image:Shogankillername.jpg|x19px]] 03:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

AddVideo
Why do we have the [ Video:] namespace but not Special:AddVideo, like it says on Help:Images and Video extension? -- ◄mendel► 02:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The help page is for a different tool. The video namespace is for this tool. --KyleH (talk) 23:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So you disclaim that the two tools are related, share common code, and the video namespace works the same for both? Now that we have the Video: namespace, having an upload tool that you can actually link to makes sort of sense to me.
 * The two tools are only loosely related. The one that you linked to was part of a social tools package that was only available on a select number of wikis (5 I think).  The one that we released last week, which is available on this wiki, is inspired by that tool, but it shares no common code. We do plan to add a special page that you can link to in the future, but right now it's just the toolbar button.  --KyleH (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe - just maybe - it would then be possible to actually update a video that has become unavailable or for which a better version has become available from the video's page - right now you have to remember the video name and go through the edit bar tool (even if you don't want to edit a page) -- and I haven't tested that, so is it actually possible?
 * This is possible, although you have to delete the existing video page and upload a new one with the same name. Uploading a new version of the same video without losing the actual page is planned for a future release. --KyleH (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * On a related note, the Image embed tool sucks particularly hard because all the warnings that Special:Upload has are just being bypassed, and users may not even be aware that a page is being created. If we want things that way, we can just disable the warnings and cut most of the text on Special:Upload to give our Monobook users the same experience. -- ◄mendel► 00:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See my comment below. --KyleH (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Bug with license preview of Image upload edittool
One of the licenses we use and available from the dropdown selector was Template:Mediawiki+GuildWars screenshot. The edittool uploader's license selector parsed it as Template:MediaWiki GuildWars screenshot. While we could add a redirect on our end to get around this issue, this reflects a general bug that affects all Wikia wikis, and some of the other wikis might not happen to have users who have a clue what to do (if things were set up by previous generations of users who are no longer around), so ideally it's best to fix the bug in the code. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 06:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have reported the issue, but I would recommend that you add the redirect for the time being. --KyleH (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Bug with CSS of Image upload edittool
Listing this as a sub-heading because this is a separated but related bug: The edittool is outside of the DOM the regular wiki content area and wrapped in a .reset, so a number of default/standard CSS style rules that generally apply in the content area do not apply inside the edittool interface (or got "reset"). This creates problems where the license template previews ARE wikitext expected to be viewed inside content area, but do not receive the right styling. The most notable example is bulleted lists, which our Fairuse template uses. In the edittool license selector preview, the bullets have list-style-type as "none", creating the visual effect of awkward linebreaks. Again, we could add stuff in our common.css to override your stuff, but it's an issue that hits all wikis and so ideally Wikia could to the work for everybody instead. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 07:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Same deal here ... I've reported it, but I would recommend making the manual changes necessary if this issue is important to you. --KyleH (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This one is fairly hairy for us to implement manually, since it involves duplicating significant portions of Wikia's Monaco CSS with additional selectors. I personally won't be able to find time to go through the CSS file. )-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems like the worst of the problem could be resolve by adjusting the list-style-type? It may not be quite as pretty, but the purpose of the license text preview in the image uploader is to give users a sense of the text that will appear so that he or she can choose the most relevant option.  I agree that the style should match as closely as possible, but this issue doesn't seem to detract from that goal. --KyleH (talk) 01:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Image Upload tool ignores warnings
The image upload tool on the Monaco edit window toolbar doesn't display any warnings, for anything, that Special:Upload does. Not for duplicate files, not for previously deleted images, not for images that begin with "gw" (screenshots that get uploaded without descriptive names). This sucks big time, especially as some of our sysops are getting annoyed with having to delete these kinds of images. -- ◄mendel► 08:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In many cases these are intentional design decisions. For example, MediaWiki:Uploadtext is left out because on many wikis this is rediculously large and would take up way too much screen real-estate to display.  (Plus, in many cases, they messages are kind of mean and scare off would-be contributors.)  You can, however, edit the text that is displayed at the top of the upload tool locally using MediaWiki:Wmu-uploadtext.  As for the other warnings, I'll pass that feedback along. --KyleH (talk) 00:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So what Wikia is saying is that the text that the community has chosen is bad and so we'd rather not display it, instead of telling the community about the problems and making it better? Gah! -- ◄mendel► 00:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not exactly ... it's more that in many cases trying to display the text would break the tool (some wikis have versions that are rediclously long), so it's important to have a message that is separate from the original. --KyleH (talk) 00:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Internationalization of sidebar, Monaco-sidebar, and monaco-toolbox defaults
When the local wiki has customized those in the native language, please have the internationalization also use use those by default, instead of grabbing the Wikia international default.

This way users with interface set to a language not native to the wiki will not get a sidebar of links many of which might not work at all (especially if there is heavy customization). We at GuildWiki have carefully constructed our sidebar, monaco-sidebar, and monaco-toolbox so that all the text labels use MediaWiki messages for proper internationalization.

This is an English wiki. A sidebar fully customized with GuildWiki menu items using incomplete internationalization is a much lesser evil than a fully internationalized sidebar that only has Wikia's default menu items. Likewise, if I visit a Japanese wiki while using English interface, I'd rather see the local customized menu items incompletely internationalized to English as opposed to seeing a fully English menu that only has the default menu items from Wikia.

-User:PanSola (talk to the ) 08:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "incompletely internationalized" - for that mediawiki ought to not display the label, but rather the english message, but it doesn't do that. -- ◄mendel► 09:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It does display the english message, unless we are talking about different things. Example, MediaWiki:quickaccess-text/zh has not been internationalized to zh, so when a user with Zh interface look at the sidebar, he'll see "Quick access links" (the English message) as opposed to "quickaccess-text".  I believe this part is of proper desirable behavior. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 09:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * We've been discussing this issue internally for a while. I'll add your comment to the discussion. --KyleH (talk) 00:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Mystery DIVs with margin-top: -20px in the DOM

 * 1) When editing this page and the Admin noticeboard using non-sectional edit mode in Monaco skin, there is a unnamed div with margin-top:-20px right after #contentSub.  It does not appear when I edit sections, and it does not appear when I edit other pages (not that I have found yet).
 * 2) In Special:MultipleUpload, there is an unnamed div with margin-top:-20px inside the div right after #contentSub.

These divs are messing up with our CSS customization. Their sole purpose appears to be to compensate for the margin of contentSub in the original Monaco CSS (which our customization overwrote). Because the div's location is different in case 1 and case 2, and because it is hard to guess what other locations it may pop up (Sandbox for example is not affected, so it's not tied to namespaces), I want to request that these divs be given a unique identifier so that we can style them with one single rule to get rid of the problem, instead of hunting them down one by one. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 21:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW, there is no simple CSS solution for this page and the admin noticeboard that has selectors supported by IE6 to target the offending div. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * These are created by some MediaWiki messages changes we made to simplify search results and recent changes. You can look at the changes here and copy the old versions back to revert them locally. --KyleH (talk) 00:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * tan you give them a class "emptymwmsg" then? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Thanks for the hint, Kyle! I've hunted them down on w:c:messaging:Special:AllMessages, the issue possibly concerns blockiptext, categoriespagetext, confirmdeletetext, historywarning, imagelisttext, longpagewarning, movepagetext, multipleupload-text, newarticletext, notextmatches, notitlematches, protect-text, rcnote, showingresults, showingresultsnum, showingresultstotal, uploadtext, wlheader-showupdated. I suggest we undo the CSS patches PanSola did and create these messages locally to override them. -- ◄mendel► 00:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I added a "emptymwmsg" class to all of them for you, as well as a class that identifies which MW message it comes from (eg class "mediawiki_longpagewarning") ... that should make it easy for you to track down specifically which messages are causing you problems. It may take a little while for the changes (with the added classes) to show up here, but they should soon. --KyleH (talk) 00:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks!!! -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)