Talk:Mursaat

I say we put back tentackles.. Feathers does not seem accurate. They LOOK like feathers, but I believe they are just tentacle thingies. :) --Karlos 07:14, 10 Jul 2005 (EST)


 * Well, I really think they are feathers :P I mean, they could have made them look like tentacles if they're supposed to be tentacles, hehe 20:16, 10 Jul 2005 (EST)


 * I've removed the reference all together. If it can be agreed what they are supposed to be then it can go back :) 03:45, 11 Jul 2005 (EST)


 * How about calling them "a waving fan of black petals"? This would be similar to my original phrase but would avoid characterizing the appendages except by their appearance. Saucepan 03:48, 13 Jul 2005 (EST)

I think the anonymous edit should probably be reverted. From the little info you can glean about the actual prophesies, there's no mention of the titans actually threatening humans. The Mursaat just did what they did for themselves. --Fyren 22:36, 29 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Hmmm, during the titan quests, they definitly do threaten humans. However I agree that the Mursaat's motives are purely selfish and not intended to saveguard the humans. --Xeeron 22:46, 29 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Right, I wasn't implying the titans weren't, just that it wasn't in the prophesies, so couldn't it have been a motivation for the Mursaat. --Fyren 22:53, 29 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * If you say so - the impression I got was that the Chosen were manipulated by 'Khilbron' into releasing the Titans. The Mursaat do not openly declare hostilities throughout the game (just their human allies) whilst the Vizier most certainly does - perhaps Glint (the author of said prophecies, right?) was also in on it... Anyway, we all know the plot makes no sense :P 148.177.129.213 00:23, 30 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Umm, given the rampage that they went on through the Maguuma Jungle and openly showing themsleves in the Southern Shiverpeaks.. I'd say there is very little philanthropy involved here. :) --Karlos 08:32, 30 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Surely they were doing that merely to ensure that the Door of Komalie (the end of the world) remained closed? 148.177.129.213 16:56, 3 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Ummm, ok, you are starting to freak me out! :) Hitler had similar ideas when he purged the world of "lesser creatures"... He too was doing the world a favor. In general, I tend to worry about people who give the world favors that the world did not ask for. For example, the killing of the Lich sealed the Door of Komalie without the need for continual sacrifice. Must have slipped their minds. You forget that the prophecies foretold their own demise as the Seer was so happy to point out. --Karlos 17:20, 3 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * You mentioned Hitler! Doesn't that mean I win the argument? :P Anyway. Did the Mursaat not stop the Charr invasion of Kryta? Did they not keep the Titans out? I remember about the Chosen vs. Mursaat prophecy now. The prophecy spoken by Glint. Who is allied to the race of the Seer. Who are at war with the Mursaat. Therefore, from the Mursaat's point of view surely they were just practicing pre-emptive defence by trying to eliminate the cause of the their own demise? Whilst also keeping the world fairly safe.. I guess the real problem is that as a Chosen one your own faction is not clearly defined: are we meant to be religious zealots following the old gods? Or tools of Glint? Or merely lost Ascalonians trying to fend off injustice and the Charr? 148.177.129.213 18:50, 3 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * Those are all very deep existential questions! But your argument is still flawed. The Titans were sealed by some greater magic than theirs. Because the Titans were sealed LONG before the Charr invasion. i.e. humanity (mankind, the greater good, ..., etc) did not NEED the Mursaat to be slaughtering people at bloodstones to keep the Titans locked up. They were already locked up. The door was closed (as the dwarf in Ring of Fire says) to keep someone OUT, not IN.
 * They did save Kryta from the Charr, but that was for their own purposes. They did not try to save Ascalon or Orr. And after "saving" Kryta, they took over Kryta. Doesn't sound to me like saving. And I am pretty sure we will find out that the Charr were also operated by a greater malevolent force.
 * I agree about the Seers and Glint. No one knows where they stand to begin with. I was the first to note that in the Eidolon article. :) --Karlos 19:52, 3 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I'll concede you're probably right. I didn't remember the dwarf saying that - I'll have to go speak to him again. Also, massively off-topic but: "And after "saving" Kryta, they took over Kryta. Doesn't sound to me like saving". Anyone want to draw the obvious modern day parallel? 148.177.129.213 16:26, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Not on a Guild Wars wiki site, no. --Serps 16:45, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * As far as I know, the boss names "W the Incoherent," "Condolezza the Unpleasant," "Rummy the Indignant," and "Rove the Malignant" are not Mursaat boss names in the game, yet. :) --Karlos 16:42, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)

Bosses AL
Anyone has any clues on the Mursaat Bosses AL. Against Ele dmg they have a ridiculously high AL (MS does 21 instead of 119 or so). This is not true of all other bosses of the same level, but is true of all professions for their bosses. (So, it's not a skill that some use, though the mesmer bosses suffer slightly more damage for using Physical Resistence). --Karlos 04:10, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
 * 14 air magic lightning orb does 19 vs mesmer boss.. ow Skuld  04:16, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

Connection?
Could they possibly hold some type of connection to Margonites? They seem to battle very similarly and even make some of the same noises (grunts and what-have-you) and I'm pretty sure the lore says something about them worshipping a god or something or other? Maybe they're the living descendants of the Margonites? EDIT: I find it suspcious that nothing tells of their origin except the seer who looks like a deformed version of the Mursaat and they just so happen to be concentrated in/around Abaddon's Mouth. Coincidence? I'm not so sure. — Jyro X 04:15, 5 December 2006 (CST)

This has already been stated multiple times, and on the notes section of this article. And, the margonites are "living" too.--68.192.188.142 17:44, 5 December 2006 (CST)