Talk:Miniature

Third Years
so sometime in late april my elem should be turning 36 o-o'. any ideas or news on the third year minis :O?-Rawr raven raven 04:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My guild leader's character recently turned 3, and he CLAIMS he got a mini panda. He did show our guild the panda, but we got no screenshots to confirm if he had gotten it for his third birthday, unfortunately. 68.187.16.3 05:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC) Gabe
 * His character turned 3? The game wasn't even released until April 28th, still over a month off...and didn't people who had beta chars and such lose them after the beta was over? DKS01 06:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep. Your GL is shooting for some massive Epeen points. Call him out on it from us, please.- Am er  ic  an  Wr  ath // Ta  lk  06:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (Response to myself)What's more, I seriously doubt Anet would ever release a mini that rare to the masses just for a birthday. The reward for playing GW for 3 years is definitely not worth a pet which currently costs around 1500 ectos. That would crash the market in ways I shudder to think about.- Am er  ic  an  Wr  ath // Ta  lk  06:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No way he got a panda.. Anet wouldn't ruin the economy like that. -{[ PUL ]}- 07:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Since we have that stupid Panda out of our way: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Gaile_Gray/Third_Year_Miniature_Guesses. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 11:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

spoiler alert: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10277616

Chances
what are the chances of getting a green or gold??? i'd like to know
 * Drop rate/Birthday Present [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a curiosity I thought might be interesting to share: I have two guildmates that are a couple.  They live in the same house and play on separate computers.  They each have two characters that they created during the betas.  For their first birthday, they both happened to log in at the same time and open their presents at the same time.  They got matching minis.  The second pair did not open their presents at the same time and had different minis.  They didn't think anything of this until the third year gifts came out.  They logged in at the same time again, opened presents at the same time and got matching minis again.  Tried it on the second pair and got the same result.  Now, of course it could be a wild coincidence, but we all thought it was very interesting.  I don't know if anyone has heard of something similar or what it might even mean but it makes me very curious. Any thoughts?Triia 16:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is purely conjecture, I have no first-hand knowledge of the code behind Guild Wars. It's a common thing in computer programming to "seed" random number generators (RNGs) with the current system time (reference @ Wikipedia). This makes the generated numbers not truly random, but random enough for most general purposes.  It also means that if two calls are made to the RNG at the exact same time, the exact same number will be returned to both.  This is highly unlikely to occur, though, since the RNG will usually use a precision of milliseconds when it gets the system time.  So for this situation, it is possible, however unlikely, that the Birthday Present RNG was invoked at the exact same millisecond by both of them, which would give them both the exact same present.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok... now let's all figure out how to get a green mini every time! RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 21:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Confused
wait what? http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Frog_%28miniature%2975.36.46.3 07:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That doesn't appear to exist. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * What's so confusing about it? -- Ab.Er.Rant [[Image:User Aberrant80 Sig.png]] (msg Aberrant80) 07:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * oops, i fixed it.--75.36.46.3 07:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So she has a frog. Cool. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * but why is it not mentioned in this page?--75.36.46.3 07:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, we didn't know about it. Gaile doesn't talk to us. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * i am not good at wiki so can you add it?--75.36.46.3 07:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I took care of it. Thank you for letting us know! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's possible, that it'll be the 3rd year green mini. We'll have to wait and see. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 09:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

WTF? O_o It looks just like the frog under the tree near old Xunlai Storage area in LA, or the frog in the bog area of Scoundrel's Rise, or many other frogs everywhere in Tyria. Are you sure this is real? O_O RoseOfKali 19:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:RoseOfKali_Frog.jpg|200px]] See? I have one too! XD  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 19:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Mini Cave Spider
Someone in Kamadan had one, so I took some screenies (w/permission ^^). Cropping them, will post again in a moment. X Deity X  19:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What rarity is it? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure- I'll ask in a moment. Here- [[Image:minicavespider.jpg|100px]]. X Deity X [[Image:xdeityx.png]] 19:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I was told it is white. X Deity X [[Image:xdeityx.png]] 19:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didnt get a chance to take a picture but there was a miniature muursaat in temple of balth a few mins ago.
 * I'm definitely getting a Black Widow now. XD RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 18:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Celestial rat icon
Yellow Icon + Yellow Background = what is that? &mdash; Poki#3, 21:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you're right... undoing. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Pulpulpullie reverted it back (but added in the Celestial Pig icon too). Anyone has any idea how can we make the icon visible and keep the transparent png? &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 19:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrap the image with s that specify a different background?  I think a gray would work best, something like: (top uses #999, bottom uses #666)


 * The title of the image column would have to be shortened to "Icon", otherwise the bg color fills the whole width of the cell for some reason. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As at least a temporary fix, I'll add a background to the images since they're only on the Miniatures page anyway.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea  [Talk]  23:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, that didn't work. But a center tag makes it look less hideous.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea  [Talk]  23:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Third Year Pets
What a fucking Ripoff
 * They only made Mad King the green because Gaile Gray wanted it. She already has an exclusive miniature, but they felt they needed to ruin things for everyone one last time in her name. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, cause not getting a Mad King mini just TOTALLY ruins things for everyone. I mean, I don't know HOW I'll cope with maybe not getting one. Oh, wait, I'll cope the same way I coped with not getting a bone dragon-by realizing that it's only a little decorative item that DOESN'T DO OR AFFECT A GODDAMN THING. Yeah, somehow, I think if I can do it, you'll struggle through it as well. Be brave. DKS01 22:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? No one wants Mad King, it's stupid. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I want a mad king tbh. Lord of all tyria 22:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * By the transitive property, that makes you "No one." Congratulations. [[Image:Ruricu-sig.png]] ( Talk • Contribs) 22:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome. I will pay the princely sum of 10g for one. Lord of all tyria 22:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have 17 charaters on two account (+4 char on my storage), and none of them ever had a gold nor a green miniature as birthday present. My oldest one will have it's third present in about a month, i wonder what it will be this time. TulipVorlax 05:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Irukanji. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, i'm wrong, it will be in two month. Grrr! Lol. TulipVorlax 05:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

anyone else think mini glint would have been cool :D?--Simpson man 16:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Only if it was larger than the player. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 16:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't be a "mini" anymore :) Big Bow 17:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The Mini Destroyer is more than 2/3 as tall as my monk. >< --Franzwald 17:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I got a bone dragon for one of my five characters' first birthdays, and a charr shaman for one of the others. That's a little lucky given the drop rates listed on the drop rates page, but not awesome. Haven't gotten too many second-bday presents yet, and no thirds. --OBloodyHell 01:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Gallery suggestion
The gallery has grown to be pretty big. I was thinking that it would be good to move it to a sub-page (like Miniature/Gallery) and just link to it from here, similar to the Hero armor galleries. &mdash; Poki#3, 09:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Different suggestion: nuke the gallery completely? The list of miniatures already include images, is on the same page, and in fact is right above it.  Having the gallery seems unnecessarily redundant in my opinion. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 09:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's also a possibility. Miniatures look exactly like the mobs themselves, and we have pictures of those already. (though some are still a bit low on quality, like the Black Beast) &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 10:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Axe the gallery, it's just extra load time. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 16:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What Poki said - they're the exact same model/skin, just reduced in size. People can go to the creature's page to see what it looks like.  Hey, that means I can delete all the gallery images!  Yay!  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK then. I'm wielding a Article Destroyer Axe of Galleryslaying! (and placing delete tags on images, though I'd leave them around for a few days in case someone would like to do something with them...) &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 18:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine, I'll allow them to escape my delete-mallet for a while, then. :P &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * To be clear, I think the icons in the miniature list should be kept. I was only advocating the gallery itself to be axed. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep some image of what the minis look like if only to have a view of how big they are in comparison to a player. Some minis are bigger than others. 69.122.146.84 02:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Except that most of the mini pics were of the mini only - there was no point of reference to figure out relative size. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 03:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Most = all. Yeah, a pic that would show the mini size would be nice, but it's hard to make them stay in place, and player characters can vary in sizes too, so it would have to be a big community project with people that would take pictures by some obvious landmark, or all the pictures would have to be taken by the same character... &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 06:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And they'd have to take their armor and stuff off to avoid "glammer shots," and anyone with a Mini Vizu is too fatheaded to put up with that. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 06:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

PC Gamer codes
Sometimes, I see some of those special Asura mini-pet code magazines from 2007 offered on ebay (PC Gamer, some European mag, etc). Are these codes still valid at all? 151.213.191.91 18:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If the magazine is sealed, I don't see any reason why not. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * kk, thanks for the speedy response. Just wasn't sure if they had some expiration date. Guess I have to decide if I want to pay money for one or not... hmm, more beer or an Asura... beer is winning atm ;p   151.213.191.91 18:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Ahem
The bug is about it affecting several things. The part about Leadership is an exception to the bug. --- -- (s)talkpage 22:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Bug! Although they are ignored by Leadership, miniatures do count as an ally of the owner's party for many skills and can be hit by AoE effects." Thanks for clearing that up, but it still begs the question.  Lacking any evidence that they're not supposed to be affected by AoE effects, what reason do we have for calling it a bug?  It's just observed behavior unless we have some official statement somewhere saying miniatures are not allies and aren't affected by AoE effects.  --68.187.147.210 00:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They don't appear on the radar. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 01:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I know minipets did effect leadership, when did this change? &mdash; ~ Soqed Hozi ~  15:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Umm, I think one obvious effect which should be observable is if they aggro, since they can range well away from the owner. Go out, pin your party well back, then pull up the mini and see if it can aggro a monster when you are far enough away to not incur aggro. If you bring a res hero you can test this adequately to be sure. And it should be possible to test other things, if you check spells which do damage based on other party members other than Leadership.

PvP
Do PvP only characters get birthday presents too? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.166.50.69 (contribs).
 * Yes they do. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  I~sk8   (T/C) 23:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I note
That the current miniature pages are in fact their "big" counterparts, and I was thinking that perhaps we could create proper pages, eg "Miniature Gwen" and "Miniature Black Beast of Augh" etc? Perhaps a miniature infobox? I could undertake that myself, probably wouldn't take very long. &mdash; Warw/Wick 19:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * One question: Why? You can't really say much about the,. having notes on the big critter page is good enough except for unusual minis like Miniature Polar Bear.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  20:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sheerly for the content; As well as this, if Jedi's idea of us listing common prices gets put forward, we can list the prices of specific minipets, it could list the popular demand for the item, that sort of thing. It seems a bit silly to me not to have seperate articles for minipets and their large versions. Don't know why, but it just strikes me as silly. I'm going offline now, so er.. Discuss it in my absence? :p &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * For the majority of minis, having a page would be silly. Most would consist of an infobox, "A mini from the X year birthday series", and a navbox. A note at the bottom of the big version is much easier. If we do end up with prices, we can see what to do then, but I'd just add the prices to this page instead of making new stubby pages for every mini.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  20:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree, but I guess we're all inclined to our opinions. I think that we should either add an infobox to the bottom of the page of the monster, or we should make new pages. I'm all for my new page idea, but eh.  &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * We already have a navbox, Template:MiniaturesNavBox. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I dislike the idea of separate pages. As was stated before, most of them will be a single statement and a picture.  I like the current layout or the mini page.  As far as pricing, I really don't think that 66 diffent mini pages with prices on them will be a good idea... Good luck maintaining that. O_o  I would suggest creating a Miniature Pricing Guide page, or something like that, and just have a list of miniatures same as on this page, only without the acquisition info and all that other stuff, but prices instead.  One page, one headache, instead of 66. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 17:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Here's a preliminary example. The formatting is still kinda sucky, but it's a start. Have fun with it.

Birthday Presents
RoseOfKali 17:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * /applause. If we have to do prices, that's a better way to do it than 66 stub pages.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  17:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't forget about Ectos though. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Make a fixed width, so it doesn't look odd, with one table being really small and the other being much larger. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * THREE Edit Conflicts... >_<... Anyway, I was trying to write this:
 * Oh, and you could even modify the Cost template to include a field for ecto with a little ecto blob icon. Like ((Cost|100|##e)) with the ##e being the ecto cost and the 100 being, of course, platinum.  Of course, that leaves us with the question, do we include the 100k, or just use pure ecto prices for the rare ones?  And where is the pricing talk? I haven't heard about this until now.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 18:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't price in ectos. Just use values larger than 100k. Ecto prices vary more than the price of minis. It might be 100k+30e one week and 100k+20e the next but still cost 180k. Also, the decision to include prices is a big one since Gwiki has a precedent for not showing prices. This would be related to Suggestions/Pricing guide&mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 19:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Can someone remind me why we're doing prices? Since everyone can edit a wiki, we keep away from pricing because of differing opinions and fraud. We write about facts, and there's nothing definite in minipet prices. &mdash; Poki#3, 19:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no idea. Just saw someone talking about it, and if we're gonna do it, might as well try to do it right.  A pricing guide for popular items such as minis is extremely useful for those interested in them, and Guru at this point is getting so outdated it's utterly useless.  I posted a PC 2 months ago and still have no reply on it...  But I do think that before implementation, this needs to be very well designed, or it will come back and bite us in the ass big time.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 02:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * For one, pages would have to be fully protected. Two, we would need 2 or 3 admins looking over this. Three, it would require source checking. The admins also need to have an idea about PCing themselves. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 11:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Correct name for Black Beast of Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh
I don't know why you guys keep on changing it back.



--Jcdang 23:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. I hate to ask, but do you know if the actual thing has the long name? The talk on The Black Beast of Arrgh page says that the mini has a longer name...? --Shadowcrest  00:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe the name is shorter for the actual monster.--Jcdang 00:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then just the link needed to be fixed, and that's done. Thanks for pointing that out, and sorry I reverted you earlier (assuming that was you). --Shadowcrest  00:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe monster names can't be too long in Guild Wars (24 characters?) - its signature skill is named "Touch_of_Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh", like the mini and unlike the monster. --◄mendel► 06:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Miniature Doppleganger plz
That would just be awesome! :D:D Blah10

New Miniature to be released
ok so i recently read in a pc gamer magazine that with the new release of the guild wars complete collection pack will include a mini pet golem called mox anyone got a confirmation on this68.119.39.187


 * It's a Dervish hero, not a minipet, see M.O.X. --Gimmethegepgun 04:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but so is Koss, and he's a mini 24.10.219.64 20:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)Agent K


 * Yeah, and you're only more than half a year late in repsonding to those guys. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

i know 4 a fact theres no such thing cause i have the complete colection and i did not come with mox


 * 2 and a half year! :P Anyways, see Gimmethepenguin's comment. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Halloween 2007 prizes
-- why was this removed when the layout was changed...they did give away minis for that event (vizu, panda, etc)....Cosyfiep 06:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Mini Halloween Frog?
This isn't April Fool's to be posting jokes around... RoseOfKali 02:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering Gaile did a horrible job, they sure do waste a lot of unique minis on her. Silly old amphibiaphile. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 00:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Assigned to mini gwen
Miniature Gwen is probably just the name of some1's char, not of the minipet gwen78.20.153.111 11:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm getting rid of that as it seems fairly obvious that's just a character name. For one thing, I'd be willing to bet that if such a thing occurred (totally unlikely) it would be labeled as being reserved for "Birthday Gwen Doll". Qing Guang 21:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, that name scheme is only valid for the first-year series. Based on this picture at GWW, the second year series got names like "Miniature X".  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hrm. Well, I still don't buy it. Now, if someone can make it happen with a Black Beast of [Argh, I'm not gonna try and get the right number of letters there] or something similarly long-named, then I'll buy it. Or at least when I see the full screen of this, showing that a Mini Gwen was indeed present and that that wasn't the person's name. Qing Guang 22:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I never said anything about that image being proof of a drop assigned to a mini, just pointing out the slight fallacy in your assumption about mini names. I agree that it's extremely unlikely for that image to be valid.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes. I kind of figured that, just clarifying stuff. :D Qing Guang 23:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... ok, I will change it back then, didn't read this before reverting your edit... Sry. RoseOfKali 04:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Miniature Gwen is in my guild. I should ask him.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho.]]îğá †ħŕášħ  04:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting... Someone may have taken a screenshot of an item assigned to him during a PUG or something. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 04:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I was in the group that got the miniature assignment... It is 100% valid. The miniature was assigned to a player named Mrz Lady Healer and it was on a run through Cathedral of Flames. We didn't see the drop until after the death of Murakai and we were taking a quick look over the last few drops and there it was. I'm not sure if I still have the original picture as this happened over a year ago but it is completely valid. Mrz Lady Healer was able to pick up the shield that dropped. Celebane 00:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * In theory since heroes etc. auto-pickup actual drops, if you run out of range as the item drops the hero/mini might not be able to pick it up, and it gets left behind. -- ◄mendel► 01:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I have the original screenie that the cropping came from. It doesn't show the mini on the screen however.. it does show the party list and you can tell by the transparency through the drop description and the party list that it is authentic.Celebane 01:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So why did you remove that comment from the page after providing the screenshot to prove it? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Celebane didn't remove anything, as far as I can see. -- ◄mendel► 00:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * He removed he image. I must've mixed up the paragraph he added in the end backwards and though it was removed also.  So he just turned the image into a verbal note.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 01:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You know what? Never mind, I'm an idiot. :P I don't smoke anything, I swear, but I may have been drunk. O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 01:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

This is probably way off topic but this reminds me of when I targeted an item and the background in the target displayed was red as if the item had health.--La Fey 05:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Celestial ox
Currently standing in nine rings there's at least 3 celestial oxes I'd assume these are gained by trading 3 rats or something? can take a picture if you like.--gene195 00:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You can get them from Lunar Fortunes. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Mostly my point was that I couldn't see it on the page. so maybe it should be added? ( i suck with tables and such so I'd rather not do it.)--gene195 01:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I added a screen cap, for the moment, will let someone alter that to make it into a more standard icon, since I'm not sure of the specs for an icon. --OBloodyHell 08:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Fourth year
Fourth year minis are coming this weekend. Whoever removed the fourth year from the table should not have. 98.19.41.173 23:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason it was removed was because we don't know what they are yet. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That was me. I removed it b/c you were jumping the gun. --JonTheMon 00:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Though it will be useful when we find out one or two - we can just revert to his edit. Thanks! Pureevilyak 20:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, no need to revert, it was reposted with little birthday present pics, which is a neat idea. The presents can be replaced once the minis are discovered.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Miniature Word of Madness
 * Miniature Dredge Brute
 * Miniature Terrorweb Dryder
 * Miniature Abomination
 * Miniature Krait Neoss
 * Miniature Desert Griffon
 * Miniature Kveldulf
 * Miniature Quetzal Sly
 * Miniature Jora
 * Miniature Flowstone Elemental
 * Miniature Nian
 * Miniature Dagnar Stonepate
 * Miniature Flame Djinn
 * Miniature Eye of Janthir
 * From guru, Eye supposedly being green. Me want Nian or Dagnar. or Jora or Djinn or Elemental or Kveldulf... *sigh*  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 08:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw someone with an Eye of Janthir tonic today. Would be really hilarious to see that + a mini, but I suppose the Janthir tonic is one of the new random ones. So the ooze tonic + mini combination still reigns supreme. Besides, oozes have far more innuendo-potential. --Macros 08:43, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there are more combinations out there. Cerebral + mini Asura, Boreal + Jora (more innuendo there), Unseen + Mursaat, Searing + Charr Shaman or Grawl (or Gwen-chan - even more innuendo...), probably others, but I can't think right now, bed time...  Oh yeah, mini Gwen Chan and mini Yakkington can drop from the traveller's gifts.  Other than the minis, I also want the Keg of Ale... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 09:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Is it me, or...
I looked at some minis again, and it seemed like the Jungle Troll icon is a lot brighter now. Also, the page shows a Fen Troll image, rather than a Jungle Troll image... --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  18:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that also ! he has more orange in the middle part now
 * Lol, this is, what, the third time they've changed that icon? --Macros 20:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ugly like hell now -- [[Image:F4Sig.jpg|19px]]  † F1 ©  Talk  18:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Still no paragon
I can't believe it. They relase fourth year minis and still don't add a paragon. Its the only profession for which there is no mini. 98.19.32.24 23:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, Vareh is a paragon for a very brief, and insignificant, amount of time. Also, any of the heroes could have paragon secondary. --Macros 00:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the mini is of her as a derv. --Totally Imbalanced 00:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget the summon stones! (Unless the bees or something turns out to be). They do get one dungeon boss, though. 76.84.34.210 00:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Dungeon boss? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 05:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hidesplitterthingy from Rragar's Zoo. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Disappointing
Yay we get a floating pyramid... woo! I mean, wtf? there goes the coolness of the green birthday presents. Well, most of the golds already were cooler than the green from that year, but this is just lame.--<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 19:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Mad King Thorn or a glassy crystallized eye? Hmmm... /ponder I MUST HAVE THEM ALL DAMMIT! RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Heres hoping Rose of Kali's fourth year present contains "miniature sedatives" :p Pureevilyak 18:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * /Doh... zzzzz... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The Desolation: Junundu
I thought it would be a neat idea, that if when you got into a Junundu(worm)any mini that is out would enter a mini Junundu. I guess this wouldnt work because of size or clipping w/ the worms but I would settle for Junundu minis those would be cool.--La Fey 05:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That WOULD be neat. :D RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Miniature Mad King's Guard
There will be 20 added to the game for the winners of the 2009 halloween art contest.



Three Frogs
I think the 3 frogs should be removed from the list since no one will be able to see them with out Gaile Gray exposing her identity. They will not be sold or traded, so why have them on the list?


 * The frogs have been seen in the past, and are technically mini-pets, so why should they not be on the list? <font color="Red">Random <font color="Blue">Time  09:16, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

All Mini Pets on this list have been Bought, Sold and Traded Except 3, players look at the list to see which mini they want or will get. (Edit) The 3 frogs should have their own section of the page or put in the game as an available mini.


 * There's a note next to them saying that they are unavailable to players, but are owned by Gaile Gray. So therefore there is no real reason (imo anyways) to remove them from the list. Also, I don't see how you can agree to your own statement unless you're two different users using the same ip address. However, from the type of editing done, I find that hard to believe. Chibi Moon Shadow 01:17, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Huh, I was actually just thinking that myself. To me, the primary purpose of the page is to show players the miniatures that they can actually get (even if some of them are super-super-uber-rare, there's still a possibility to get one).  The Frogs are unique and there is no chance that any player will ever get one, so to me they belong in a section on their own.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:34, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * "they belong in a section on their own."


 * Totally. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 11:07, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:45, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Eye of Janthir
Someone should set up a group where everyone has one (or at least (the maximum number of minis out) # of people have them) and go through Divinity Coast and take a couple screens :P Also, does the Eye float or go on the ground or what? --Gimmethegepgun 17:36, October 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm going to be an idiot and ask if you mean the mini one. (which of couse you bo but anyways) ^.^* And now I'll tell you that I saw one a few weeks ago in Sardelac (when Nick was looking for scorched lodestones) and if I remeber correctly it floats above the ground, at about character knee height. If I had rememberd to take a screen I would post it but alas, I didn't. Chibi Moon Shadow 18:24, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does float, and if you ask me, it's not such a great mini. XD Fleshcrawler   Soban  22:32, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it. It's aura changes colors between blue and orange. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 02:11, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the orange/yellow aura is it's "battle stance" which we never see in Divinity Coast because it never fights; the pulse thing is a scripted event. And I think it's an awesome minipet. --Macros 02:34, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Next series?
I hope for Tears of Dwayna next year, life size. ^_^ And a Disc of Chaos. And Ventari for lulz over the Zhed peoples. XD RoseOfKali 12:40, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * On the first, they'll probably name it after something more commonly seen like Fog Nightmares (if they go black) or Scourge Vaettirs (if they go blue), but that would still be a nice mini. Disc of Chaos would be awesome, especially if they can make it so the mini changes form like the real one; I've been wanting an Apocrypha mini for the same reason. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dr ishmael (contribs).
 * Yeah, Tears of Dwayna is a cool name and they are the size of a miniature already, but Fog Nightmare would be better because they're easier to see. :P I also can't wait for the Celestial Tiger, that's gonna be awesome, too bad it's two more years for the Dragon. :D Looks like the Doctor finally got caught. ^_^ RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:31, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Celestial Dragon minipet. 15k for you if I'm wrong :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:37, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Was there ever any doubt? O_o That's why I can't wait. ;) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:42, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I would like to have a miniature Forgotten. Jink  21:06, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, eat your hearts out, Naga Shamen! And I love Ventari for his awesome hairdo. ^_^ There should be a similar miniature to most of the "legendary" minis, imo, where possible ofc. Gotta hate how both bears cost more than the poorer half of the entire GW playerbase put together. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:13, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * {| class="stdt"

! Year !! Animal !! Possible model
 * 2010 || Tiger || Tiger
 * 2011 || Rabbit || Rabbit
 * 2012 || Dragon || Essence of Dragon
 * 2013 || Snake || Naga/Forgotten?
 * 2014 || Horse || modified Kirin?
 * 2015 || Sheep || ???
 * 2016 || Monkey || Simian
 * 2017 || Rooster || Essence of Phoenix/Moa Bird?
 * 2018 || Dog || Wolf?
 * }
 * Some of them are pretty obvious, others less so, but what in the world are they going to do for horse or ram? There are no equine or ovine animals in Guild Wars at all!  Of course, GW may not be around at all in another 8 years... although all of the requisite disguise skills (Pig Form etc.) were already added to Gw.dat at the time of CNY 2008.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 21:20, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * There are ambient Pugs and Roosters in Cantha, so they're likely candidates for the last two minis. Phoenix is not a likely substitute for Rooster as it is a Chinese lore animal, and has a very different meaning from Rooster, so a mix up would be ridiculed. I guess they could tweak a Kirin for the horse, just change the tail and remove the head/chest spikes, the rest will pass for a Celestial skin. Sheep would have to be custom made, though. :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:28, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2016 || Monkey || Simian
 * 2017 || Rooster || Essence of Phoenix/Moa Bird?
 * 2018 || Dog || Wolf?
 * }
 * Some of them are pretty obvious, others less so, but what in the world are they going to do for horse or ram? There are no equine or ovine animals in Guild Wars at all!  Of course, GW may not be around at all in another 8 years... although all of the requisite disguise skills (Pig Form etc.) were already added to Gw.dat at the time of CNY 2008.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 21:20, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * There are ambient Pugs and Roosters in Cantha, so they're likely candidates for the last two minis. Phoenix is not a likely substitute for Rooster as it is a Chinese lore animal, and has a very different meaning from Rooster, so a mix up would be ridiculed. I guess they could tweak a Kirin for the horse, just change the tail and remove the head/chest spikes, the rest will pass for a Celestial skin. Sheep would have to be custom made, though. :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:28, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * }
 * Some of them are pretty obvious, others less so, but what in the world are they going to do for horse or ram? There are no equine or ovine animals in Guild Wars at all!  Of course, GW may not be around at all in another 8 years... although all of the requisite disguise skills (Pig Form etc.) were already added to Gw.dat at the time of CNY 2008.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 21:20, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * There are ambient Pugs and Roosters in Cantha, so they're likely candidates for the last two minis. Phoenix is not a likely substitute for Rooster as it is a Chinese lore animal, and has a very different meaning from Rooster, so a mix up would be ridiculed. I guess they could tweak a Kirin for the horse, just change the tail and remove the head/chest spikes, the rest will pass for a Celestial skin. Sheep would have to be custom made, though. :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:28, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sheep. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  21:40, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) The ambient rooster/dog are probably too simple to make worthwhile minipets - the dog doesn't have any animation at all, and the chickens only peck at the ground. The celestial being itself is pretty big and has to run around the outpost, so I doubt they'd use something as simple as the ambient animals.  The Ox was a special case, as those animals were already relatively large and detailed.
 * Another possibility I just thought of for the Celestial Rooster model (that should've been obvious) is a Moa Bird. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 21:43, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) x2 Lol. Moa bird is as far from rooster as a horse is from an elephant. O_o That would be even more ridiculous than a Phoenix, while equally bad on Anet's part if they did that. The celestial models use very simple textures, so it won't be that hard to upsize a Rooster, and all they need to do is walk, I don't see a problem.
 * And, if you reeeeally wanna stretch it for the Sheep... In Chinese, the Kanji for the animal coming up in 1015 can mean Sheep or Goat, the latter being actually more likely for the zodiac animal, since Goats are native to ancient China, while Sheep were imported. There is one creature that somewhat resembles a Goat in GW, the Gaki. So a star-laden humanoid goat monster ftw. :P In the worst case, they just have to make a goat body for Gaki's head. ^_^ RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:48, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * You're srsly discussing a mini that will be introduced in 5 years? xD Also, I don't see a problem. If they make a mini sheep, what's so hard on developing a new animal? Or will they always do the same like with the celestial pig? (which is actually a Warthog ) Fleshcrawler   Soban  22:22, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that was quite bad, considering there is an actual pig model in the game (nice shot in the end of D'Alessio Seaboard mission). Oh well, it was close. :P I will rofl if they make a celestial moa, though. And I'm quite determined at getting a full celestial collection, ANet be damned if they get in my way! >:D RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing Tengu for rooster, Gaki for sheep, Kirin for horse, and Naga for snake, all of which can be found in Cantha, as opposed to a Moa Bird or Forgotten. --Macros 03:42, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on Celestial Summoning Stones, I'd guess that the dog would have to be the wolf, and the poor sheep would be a Dolyak of all things. I do hope GW can stretch themselves to make some mini skins which are more appropriate than just size reductions of in-game models.  These two are prime examples of stretching the boundaries of what a minipet should look like. --Valandil D 19:12, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

How many can a new player get?
Due to the timed minis, and due to ridiculous costs of some of these, I think it would be useful to have both "How many and which minis can be acquired easily by a new player" and "The 20 easiest/cheapest minis to get a hold of for the hall of devotion". Maybe it's just me. --121.44.208.119 10:56, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably the best answer is none? The vast majority come as birthday presents, and it doesn't seem to me that many people are out there selling the cheap first and second years.  That pretty much leaves the advice of "create some characters and wait a year," but then, the new player really isn't so new anymore.  So, honestly, I can't really think of any I would describe as being "easy for a new player to get," since the easy way is to let your account and characters age.  <font color="#660099">Nwash  [[Image:User-Nwash-Eyes.png]] 11:08, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you're impatient, check the minipet category at Guild Wars Guru Auctions, there's usually around 10 auctions going on for each of the white minis from all but the current year, and they typically go for <5k, even undedicated. If you go to the "Other minipets" subcategory, you can sometimes find people selling multiple pets in a single lot.  You should be able to find 20 pets without spending anywhere near 100k.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:07, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Where stays the fifth birthday miniatures?
Where are they, people should normally have them already not? Or I confuse date because I'm in belgium... Can't wait to see them. I think they will add more of some retarted Asurans... Hope they do better --  Jorre <font color="Orange">22225  17:50, April 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Characters have to hit 60 months of /age, and I don't think that's possible until April 26. (Prophecies released April 28, pre-orders got early access on April 27, and the extra leap day in 2008 moved it back 1 day to April 26.)  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 18:14, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * O I understand... Didn't know that, thank you. Still can't wait :D --Guildwars signature pic.png  Jorre <font color="Orange">22225  20:44, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Fifth year list
From :

-- -- --
 * Miniature Seer
 * Miniature Siege Devourer
 * Miniature Shard Wolf
 * Miniature Fire Drake
 * Miniature Summit Giant Herder
 * Miniature Ophil Nahualli
 * Miniature Cobalt Scabara
 * Miniature Scourge Manta
 * Miniature Ventari
 * Miniature Oola
 * Miniature Candysmith Marley
 * Miniature Zhu Hanuku
 * Miniature King Adelbern
 * Miniature M.O.X.
 * Miniature M.O.X.
 * Miniature M.O.X.
 * Miniature M.O.X.
 * Miniature M.O.X.
 * Miniature M.O.X.

Looks like MOX will have a chance to roll one random avatar. Neat. And I got 4 of my wishes! XD RoseOfKali 00:24, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * &gt;&lt; F@CK! I would've had that earlier if I hadn't been working all bloody evening.  *grumble*  Still, I wonder how he knew how to group them like that (I assume that's whites - purples - golds - MOX as green).  I've never seen anything in gw.dat that would be able to indicate that.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 03:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could have been just the order of appearance matching that of other years, and the 6 MOX's are kind of a tip off as the green, too. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 09:06, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ugh, kinda a disappointing list. We get Oola, our second freakin Asura mini(worse race added to Guild Wars, EVER), but still no Dying Nightmare/Azure Shadow type creature? Still no paragon profession mini either...one of the NF tusked apes woulda been perfect for that. Then there's King Adelbern, was anyone really clamoring for a mini-Adelbern? And of course, we get Candysmith Marley? A minor, non-storyline NPC who's only around for Wintersday, yet still no margonite, pretty much THE main storyline enemy species of the entire Nightfall campaign? I think when it comes time for guessing next years minis, I'm gonna quit guessing creatures that are actually neat looking or seem like reasonable mini-choices, and instead just guess a bunch of stupid NPCs, maybe I'll start getting a lot more of my guesses right. Only one I sorta got this year was the cobalt(I say sorta, cause I'd guessed we'd get some sort of cobalt or great beast). Although, I DID guess a fire drake as a possible year 3 mini, we didn't get it then and I didn't guess it again this year, guess I shoulda stuck with it. DKS01 12:12, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Candyman Markey? I'd rather have a snowball throwing Kimberly! :) --Pandelume 19:28, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Rant rant, wrong wiki for guesses anyway. And I was squirming for Marley, was in love since Wintersday '05, but not crazy for a brain-exploading mutant, so to each their own. Kim is just a boring Krytan female, unless she actually threw snowballs, which I doubt would be the case. Happy about Ventari (Zhed is too pricy, and Ventari looks better anyway, I really wanted a centaur mini), Seer is all cool and alien-ish, and the toxic frog is way better than the old Heket warrior. Oola is the only Asura I actually like! "Butter up the other side and pan fry me, Vekk! I came here to get away from "all the Asura!" Whaddayawant?" And that bird-nest hair is just the worst ever, making it the best ever. XD She reminds me of Whoopi Goldberg. :P Zhu Hanuku is one of those cool monsters I always forget about. I also really wanted the Margonite Paragon, which is one of the coolest models ever made in GW, and as you said, we need a Paragon. Maybe next time... Though, I agree, Adelbern was a WTF? What's funny is that he has the same finger pointing stance as Rurik, but in the other direction, so putting them next to each other would make something like this. :P
 * [[File:MiniPrinceRurikIcon.png]][[File:MiniKingAdelbernIcon.png]] RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 19:45, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I had already shown that to Jink, except I figured they were having a shouting match a la the end of Ruins of Surmia. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 23:00, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The miniature Seer picture is still not on the list... And it's my favourite :( --Guildwars signature pic.png  Jorre <font color="Orange">22225  11:34, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's because I copied them from GWW, and they were missing that one for some reason. They still are, actually - someone uploaded an image for it, but it's only 24x24 pixels, and icons should be 64x64.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:27, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hah, I wasn't sure if we could just directly copy them, but I'll trust you in that we can. It is kind of odd that Seer is the only one missing. All the icons were uploaded by users, not a dev, so I wonder where they got them in the first place, especially as early as they did. o_O RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:38, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, especially since -image doesn't download inventory icons. Jink thought maybe it was someone on the Test Krewe?  Like how you got all the tonic screenshots?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 21:27, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope, from what I can access, it doesn't look like that's possible at the TK at all right now (by design or temporary bug). RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:32, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe they were extracted from gw.dat. --Evenfall 00:38, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * That doesn't seem possible - the only to force the download of content that you haven't accessed in-game is with the -image flag, but that doesn't download inventory icons (as I noted above). So I don't know how they could've got the icons into their Gw.dat in order to extract them.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 01:36, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you certain that the inventory icons aren't downloaded? I think there is an additional compression layer(which gwdatbrowser doesn't comprehend) for inventory icons, and they get extracted when accessed in-game. --Evenfall 02:10, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then why is the Seer the only icon missing, why did they get 13/14 icons? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 15:13, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * And if there is an additional compression level, I want to know how to decompress it. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:33, April 26, 2010 (UTC)