User talk:Fyren4632

Old talk stuff.

Categories &amp; Trees
I'd like to discuss your notion that categories should form separate trees -- and even whether they should really be true trees (where branches have no common leaves). My hope is to convince you otherwise. To start off, what are your thoughts on Wikipedia:Categories_do_not_form_a_tree? If you like, I can provide an argument for why this Wikipedia guideline is best. (Also, are you familiar with graph theory terminology?) --Rezyk 03:50, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I know something of graph theory, since I have a computer engineering degree. If you have an argument, it's fine to bring it up,  but it should be relevant to GWiki, not just Wikipedia.  In very short, for things like skills, we have something like Skills -> Mesmer Skills -> Domination Magic -> backfire, but backfire is in each of those categories.  But then for Skill (which is for the skill type "skill") -> Spells -> Hex Spells -> backfire, it's only in Hex Spells.  Perhaps the root category for the latter structure should be different, but backfire is inconsistently not in spells or inconsistently in skills and mesmer skills.  At the moment the structures we have might actually be trees because of shuffling around done by people other than me, but the skill categories once had, for example, Skills -> Warrior Skills -> Shouts -> Otyugh's Cry.  Shouts was also under "Ranger Skills."  The major top level categories we have now are for items, skills, and locations/things in a location.  With the categories we have, I do not think it makes sense or is helpful to the reader to have duplication within our current structures.  --Fyren 12:28, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I think you're misinterpreting me (my bad, I should have said "where separate branches have no common leaves" or "exclusive subcategories"). I think Backfire should not be directly linked in Category:Skills, Category:Mesmer Skills, or Category:Spells (Worded as a guideline: an article should not be directly linked in a category if it's in a descendant category).  We seem to be agreement here. --Rezyk 08:07, 5 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * What I'm asking about is why would you think that "perhaps the root categories [..] should be different"? Or: in Category_talk:Warriors you imply that for "articles to end up in the tree twice" is bad -- what is bad/nonsensical about it (if they're appearing twice through different subcategories)? I'm not arguing yet as I simply just don't see your reasoning (my only guess is that you're getting there by oversimplifying the above guideline..?). --Rezyk 08:07, 5 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I completely forgot about this, heh. Sorry.  Anyway, I'll try to start over since I don't think either of us is understanding the other.  First, the root category comment is a separate issue.  Category:Skill was created as the root for all skill types, since everything is at least a "skill" but sometimes more specific, like "hex spell."  I'm not sure if you've interpreted me as saying things should only be in one tree overall, but that's not what I mean.  Things should only be in the same tree once, which is what I think you just agreed with.  --Fyren 21:26, 11 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * I agree with a more loose rule: things should be in any path at most once. (where Skills->Mesmer_Skills->Domination_Magic and Skills->Spells->Hexes are 2 examples of paths) So with these paths I'd only put Backfire in Domination_Magic and Hexes.  But that would put in the Skills tree twice, which you're against (if I'm interpreting you right).  If you are against that, why so? --Rezyk 17:07, 15 Oct 2005 (EST)

Related skills decision
Moo. Can you post your decision on Talk:Hex so that Rezyk can go ahead and apply the great list of related skills he has compiled for all effects and conditions. So that then I can start fighting with him about his choices in each page? >:) --Karlos 15:43, 11 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Moo. Been playing a lot lately, so less wiki time. --Fyren 21:27, 11 Oct 2005 (EST)

Nitpicky typos
"Malion's Malign Hammer" should be "Malinon's Malign Hammer"


 * Done. --Karlos 08:56, 15 Oct 2005 (EST)