User talk:PanSola

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Sig
Heya Pan,

GW:SIGN is policy now, and it expressly forbids using template transclusion to sign talk pages. Could you change your sig, please?

&mdash;Tanaric 01:20, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * I've changed my sig in my preferences. As for the old sigs, I don't have a bot to deal with them.  Let me know if I am expected to manually get rid of them, I'll find time to do it. -talk 18:44, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * There's a heck of a lot of them Pan, over 500! Does that mean you'd find time to write a bot or go through them all! Anyway nice to see ya around again :) --Xasxas256 18:50, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * I used to run crazier crusades manually q-: -talk 18:51, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Heh heh that's true, see you're not around enough, I forget these things. Also *cough* GW:SIGN *cough* says no sub or sup tags! --Xasxas256 18:54, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * And your user name should be made clear with your sig. (It all reads in the policy ;) ) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (gem / talk) 18:57, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Gah. Testing. -PanSola 19:04, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Sorry, not my fault. *puppy eyes* --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (gem / talk) 19:06, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Oooo, eyes! *gauges them out* -PanSola 19:11, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Oooh the new Pan is crazy, good one! Gem, you could have at least made some kind of funky sig image, you know while you still had eye! How about [[Image:PanandSola.jpg|100px]], it's nice and literal! I don't know how well it scales though, where's LordBiro when you need him! --Xasxas256 19:14, 4 April 2007 (CDT)


 * My eyes! My eyes! Oh my god, save me! (Where is Boo anyway? I thought he would be the one who gets me) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (gem / talk) 19:16, 4 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Your eyes have been sacrificed to our new goddess!!! (though I remain a devout follower of Lyssa). -PanSola 23:27, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

I'll change them for you later, Pan. Remind me if I forget. --Fyren 19:23, 4 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks. Somebody else remind me if I forget to remind Fr... Fyren. q-: -PanSola 23:27, 4 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Cool, thanks for quick compliance. That whole policy exists because of you, so it's only fitting we finally nailed you with it. Welcome back, bro. &mdash;Tanaric 00:52, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Ooo, there's an entire policy for me!!! Mwahahahahahahahaha -PanSola 06:25, 5 April 2007 (CDT)


 * That's right, no laughing either, your reign of terror is over, Balthazar rejoice! --Xasxas256 06:52, 5 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Bal the Brute isn't even fit to kiss Lyssa's toenail! -PanSola 07:31, 5 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Bottage will be delayed while I figure out how I broke my bot. --Fyren 02:23, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok. Well, as long as I don't get banned for it, take your time q-: -PanSola 02:25, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

Sortable QR
that is by far the coolest thing i have seen all week. --Honorable Sarah 00:54, 12 April 2007 (CDT)


 * And I'm surprised nobody has done it on GuildWiki yet, considering we got the Javascript to do it ages ago (before I came back). There's a minor issue with the current version of the script though, making the spacing around the sort button ugly )-:  -PanSola 00:56, 12 April 2007 (CDT)


 * The whole thing also looks better in Chinese, because characters naturally go in the vertical direction. http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/MesmerSkillDescriptionChart  Sadly, most of the data is out of date there, as I don't have the energy to keep it updated. -PanSola 00:58, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

Is there anyway we could get a stable sorting algorithm? With such an algo, it would be possible to do multiple level sorts by just doing them one after the other (for example: sorting by attribute and name -> sort by name, then attribute). From the tests I did, this seems to not work right now, which would mean that it is using an unstable sorting algorithm. I couldn't find the piece of javascript implementation we use, but if you can point me to it, I could modify it into a stable sort. --Theeth (talk)   12:55, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes it's possible, it's on my to-do list, but it's much slower so I'm thinking of making it an "advanced" option that is not enabled by default. The javascript I am using right now (which isn't the one you guys see) is User:PanSola/sortable_mod.js.  -PanSola 16:06, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

Try this instead of shaker sort. It's a swapless stable quicksort with non-random pivot. That should fix the speed issue of the sorting. (no guaranty on the errorlessness of the code, it's adapted from some C code I have lying around, my JS skills might be a bit rusty). --Theeth (talk)   16:43, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

static void qsort_data(list, comp_func, head, tail) { pivot = list[head]; ihead = head; itail = tail;

while (head < tail) {		while (comp_func(list[tail], pivot) >= 0 && head < tail) tail--;

if (head != tail) {			list[head] = list[tail] head++; }

while (comp_func(list[head], pivot) <= 0 && head < tail) head++;

if (head != tail) {			list[tail] = list[head] tail--; }	}

list[head] = pivot; if (ihead < head) { qsort_data(t, ihead, head-1); }	if (itail > head) { qsort_data(t, head+1, itail); } }

function qsort(list, comp_func) { qsort_data(list, comp_func, 0, list.length - 1); }


 * I thought quicksort with non-random pivot, by definition, has terrible worse-case performances. O(n^2). -PanSola 17:48, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
 * With presorted list, yes, it's O(n^2) operations and O(n) storage (recursion) whereas shaker sort's worst case is O(n^2) operations and O(1) storage, but average cases are much better with quicksort than shaker. Moreover, the non-random pivot is rather easy to fix, I just didn't want to hunt around for JS randomize functions. --Theeth (talk)   18:33, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

I've been working with some sortable tables in my User space when I came across the work you've been doing. One thing I have been trying unsuccessfully to implement is marking specific columns as non-sortable. I saw that you have a template/function call { {weapon qr top}} that implements this but I can not for the life of me find the article to look at the implementation. All attempts to find weapon qr top return no results. Where can I find this article? I also read in one of the posts that you have a work-around for the current javascript stripping out template/function calls from header rows (my second problem). Would you also let me know where to find information on that fix as well? Thanks! --  Glamtre  (Talk) 13:55, 16 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Template:weapon qr top sets certain header cells to be class="unsortable", which then gets processed by the javascript MediaWiki:sortable_mod.js. It's not exactly documented, but hopefully the code isn't too hard to understand.  Let me know if you have specific questions.  As for the tag-stripping, it's a very tiny modification used in sortable_mod.js also.  The original behavior is in, but my sortable_mod.js completely overrides it. -PanSola 02:07, 17 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Thanks for the info. I totally forgot about the Template namespace and I REALLY hate wiki search!  Are there any plans for your updated code to replace the installed class="sortable" code?  I am happy to implement your code in my namespace for testing, but if it works one way for me and other for someone else I consider that a bad situation. --  Glamtre  [[Image:Axe-icon-right.png]] (Talk) 12:41, 20 April 2007 (CDT)


 * I've been working on it. But IE compatibility seems to be a very weird issue. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:45, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

ERROR
THIS IS AN ERROR!!! = ASODFINADOFSINASDF --Dirigible 05:59, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

JS overriding
Were you able to override the function you wanted? --Fyren 07:49, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Indirectly. I had to override a function higher up the call chain.  I don't entirely understand why, but at least it works right now... -PanSola 07:55, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

CSS changes
You seem to have been making a lot of CSS changes recently. What are you trying to do? I'm not really sure what your goals are, but most of your edits seem to be experiments. This can't be good when you're modifying a global stylesheet :P  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 13:02, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
 * The major changes are non-experimental. The experimental ones are trivial changes (changing order of some lines just to see if MSIE's behavior will change).  After some googling, I've figured out that I'm stuck with a CSS bug in IE7 that I'll have to use javascript to fix. -PanSola 13:39, 13 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Perhaps my understanding is flawed (maybe Fyren could make some suggestions) but I was under the impression that most browsers use a conditional get, so that they only get the contents of a file if it's been modified since a certain time. If this is the case then, trivial or not, the whole common.css file will be downloaded regardless of the change. This was my only concern.


 * And I was curious :) Unfortunately I don't have IE7 but if you're willing to discuss the bug I'd be happy to give my input? Of course, it's unlikely I will have anything to add that you can't find on google ;)  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 16:19, 13 April 2007 (CDT)


 * IE7 doesn't not implement "display:table-cell;", so my clever ith-column-hiding trick gets messed up with IE7 users. The issue doesn't show up with IE6 because IE6 didn't even implement Adjacent sibling selector, kinda like if you don't even have access to a car, you can't get caught drunk driving (though you are supposed to be driving, not drunk). -PanSola 16:42, 13 April 2007 (CDT)


 * That's the worst analogy ever :P And that's saying something with the amount of analogies the build wipe debate has produced! But yes, I know what you mean. That's a pain!


 * There's a separate stylesheet that monobook uses for IE7 hacks, according to the source it's "/skins/monobook/IE70Fixes.css?42a". I realise it's not common.css, but would this be useful for monobook? I imagine editing it would involve a trip to see Fyren in his dungeon over at his really long talk page.  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 18:07, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Those in particular don't help. I'm trying to conjure up a javascript fix, but can't really think of how either...  The only other alternative is to implement the correct CSS behavior via javascript on all browsers without using CSS, but that's kinda annoying cuz it's IE's fault and not the other browser's.  I don't want to use javascript to do something I'm supposed to be able to do with CSS. -PanSola 20:52, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

Sortable table for collector weps
It seems that the sortable table class has broken the tables... when you try to change the sort, it drops information and then just mucks everything up. I think it's probably related to the fact that they use rowspans for items that share similar statistics, but I'm not entirely sure how the sortable table class works. Don't know whether or not you know what's up with it, just saw you made the addition of the sortable class and thought I'd point it out. --IzzionSona 22:03, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Oops, yeah, I forgot some of the tables have rowspans, that does break stuff. Sorry about that. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:22, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Hello I'm working on getting all the collector wep quick refs updated with the new sortable tables (which i love) i had wanted to add the gwen stuff but saw the mesmer one and said "u know that's what we need 1st" so ive put that off for now and have just finised the monk one to the state that it was in when i started working on it a few days ago, i left a message in your qr top template for u about it not seeming to work right on the monk article and since you are the only other person i see trying to make all the collector weps sortable i thought i'd drop u a line here, so take a look at the work ive done on the Monk Collector Weapons article and tell me what u think. u can see the previous edits on User:Skekzyz/Monk collector weapons redotemp --Skekzyz 01:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Lolz just noticed
On your list of minitures you don't have Fungal Wallow listed XD. Shows their value it does ;). Readem (talk *contribs ) 18:49, 14 May 2007 (CDT)


 * I got four of them, I still have two left, trying to give the last duplicate away in exchange for a different miniature... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:51, 14 May 2007 (CDT)

Invited
Greetings noobcake!You are such a nubcake that you get to join (if you wish) Cheese's Nooby Guildhall Challenge! Have a good time and...if the hall page isn't very descriptive now, it will be soon...so live with it:D.&mdash;  Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 19:12, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

attention needed
i have recently created individual qr pages for allegiance and sunspear skills to add to their specific profession skills qr pages, keeping uniform to the qr pages. someone has a problem with this and id like your input on the matter, see my talk page for discussion. for example of what i have done look at any professions skills quick reference page. Thank you. --Fatigue` ( talk / contribs ) 22:57, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

OhNo
You left again why did you leave again you tricked us all grr grr grr &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 22:06, 25 August 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm just not around. d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:49, 26 August 2007 (CDT)
 * :O You're alive!!!!! &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 10:56, 28 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Or maybe my ghost remains in cyberspace to haunt this place after my demise q-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:58, 28 August 2007 (CDT)

http://www.wikia.com/wiki/gaming
I brought up the subject before, and Gil suggested that I add GuildWiki to the list. With 17,730 articles on here, and a mere 95,498 pages, we're already in the top ten content-wise; coming in slightly behind the top five, and much higher then the (current) number ten. Based on that, I would say GuildWiki is set for it's own short blurb and image up there. Surprisingly, there's already a user with your name there, on the very same discussion page (but of course there's no way that could be you, he speaks with an Advanced level of English, while you blow him away with a Near-Native level of English). Anyway, I figured you would be one of the best to ask, if anyone; since we are technically a part of Wikia now, as far as I know, what's the process behind setting up the ten wikis there? Who writes the blurb? I'm happy to edit it myself, I'm just hesitant to charge in and edit something of that magnitude as it is. Any suggestions or insight on the subject? -- Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> .cнаt^  02:13, 12 September 2007 (CDT)


 * Auron made me do it! :P
 * But just to let you know, I've already added GuildWiki to the page. Mind taking a look at it, and possibly fixing my formatting/info? I'm pretty sure it all fits the basic format of the page, but I can't be sure. Also, I had to use an external link, because I've no clue what the interwiki shortcut is. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> .cнаt^  02:41, 12 September 2007 (CDT)

Wikia Move Archive
I know you're a sysop and all, but Xeon said he didn't want the page archived until it had all settled down... So, how about you leave the "hot" topics un-archived, and shove the rest in the file-bin? I can't do this cause I don't want to break it QQ The Imperialist
 * My archiving has nothing to do with me being Sysop. The talk page is getting megaly disorganized and people are repeating stuff they have said before.  I have left a note letting people know they are free to unarchive any discussion. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 17:29, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I didn't mean that you archived because you were a sysop, but I figured it would be best to follow Xeon's advice. But I agree, it was get lengthy and repetitive ;) The Imperialist
 * If it additionally helps ease your mind, when Hard Mode was first introduced, Talk:Hard Mode was going crazy too (since drop rate changes for normal mode came in the same update), and I did a similar split of the talk page. The main difference is I left an ugly trail of empty sections on the talk page specifically redirecting ppl as to which page a thread has been moved too.  I'm not in the mood for ugly trails today. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 17:48, 15 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks for doing that, my eyes don't hurt as much now. Biscuits [[Image:Biscuit.png]] 20:25, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

Vandals, see RC
Forgive my impudence, but this is part of your job isn't it? If you've got the time to mess around with fontsize and colors and stuff surely you have enough effort left in you to block 5 anon IPs and delete a junk page. (T/C) 00:58, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Indeed it's part of my job description. Though for the past hour I was typing up some idea of mine (lots of revisions).  It'd greatly help if you can point to the posts and the IP's contrib page when you leave the message so I can get to them more quickly. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:16, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * What, "Sean's Penis" doesn't automatically stand out for you in the Special:Newpages? :( No offense to you, I know you're busy, but I can't do your job for you (to put it bluntly)... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:19, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Well I decided to respond to your message right before looking at the RC. Anyways, 2 anons banned, looking for the other 3 after I reply this message. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:22, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * (I think it was 5, hard to tell when IPs all look the same) Yeah, I know, I am just...impatient. Unnecessarily so. Thanks and sorry for being somewhat rude and presumptuous...it's a hard time for all of us and vandals (esp. to my own page) have always made me want to strangle someone. The nerve of kids...It's depressing to me that people will abuse their school or other public IP's just to vandalize Wikis and other similar places. One of those anon IPs did have some useful contributions, and I always hate it when we have to ban folks like that. It hurts the good and honest anons who have no malicious intent but can't or won't make an account...sigh.
 * In the end of the day, whether it's vandals on a Wiki or spammers on E-mail, it always seems like we are fighting a losing battle against "E-Terrorism". [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:25, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * That vandal gets points for coming here and reading your talkpage, at least. Thanks again. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:54, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * "I'm on the internet! I can do anything I want without getting caught! It's fun watching people get mad at stuff I write, but they can't do anything about it."
 * ...As long as that mentality is available, there will be vandals. Faster we ban them, faster they get bored. Simple as that. We don't lose until we give up, and they don't win until... well, I'm not sure how they could possibly win. We give up, they get pretty bored. We ban them, they get pretty bored. Keep that in mind, I suppose; we can win, they can't. Inspiring is it not? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> .cнаt^  01:55, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * It doesn't work like that once you can get a profit or a message going, though. My father works in the IT department of a fairly large company; he's showed me some of the horrors of Spam. Can you imagine getting 100+ spam e-mails/hour? It's not an issue of "boredom" there, no, not at all. I think that as soon as vandals get ahold of some bigger guns - automated "Vandal-Bots" to do vandalism for them - then we're really in trouble. The main advantage we have over Wiki vandals, at least for now, is superior firepower. But that balance is always tipping more and more in their favor...
 * You ought to attend one of the "Black Hat" conferences some day, and see if you still find yourself feeling inspired. :S [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:59, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

BTW guys, despite I just banned 2 more kids, I have an exam in 12 hours and 30 minutes, so I'll be off for a while. Keep up the vandal-reverts until another admin can drop by! -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 02:03, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

Man, these guys are persistent. I wonder where they live...it's past midnight in California, U.S. of A. Too late for prepubescent vandals to be up...And you, PanSola, I heard you also live in California. Studying late tonight I see. Not that it's a bad thing, as you seem to be the only active admin atm...Well, we will survive without you for a few hours at least :) (T/C) 02:05, 18 September 2007 (CDT)


 * Perpetual inspiration is for fairies and crazy people. I just find most vandals amusing and pathetic, which keeps up my energy when we do run into the heavy firepower. :P --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> .cнаt^  02:10, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

Troll warning
Do you mind if I replace that godawful ugly template with a simple textual warning? BftP 05:24, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * It's supposed to be ugly, to get ppl's attention and to work with the joke. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:26, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * OK, fine. I don't see what the elementalist icon has to do with the joke, though. Trolling is (usually) not the same as flaming. Also the order of the icons is weird to me, it says "trolls stop flames". It should say "stop flames and trolls", no? BftP 05:32, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * The icons were supposed to be independent. A stop sign in the middle, troll and flames on the side.  It's not meant to be read sequentially.  Feel free to mess around with it, but I insist the troll image be left in the template somewhere. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:34, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

How about something minimalist like this one? BftP 07:01, 18 September 2007 (CDT)


 * Sorry forgot to mention, I want to keep the joke about their elites and their miniatures. Gotta have something to lighten the mood. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:59, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

Pull A Gravewit
I nominate this for best new expression of the year. Perhaps I'll go add it to UrbanDictionary... (T/C) 19:47, 19 September 2007 (CDT)


 * I support this nomination.
 * Pull A Gravewit v. (pǒǒl A gr-aive-wit)
 * "To 'Pull A Gravewit' refers to when a person, presumably in a nominated seat of power over a community-driven endeavor, sells said endeavor for personal gain, at the cost of the community."
 * E.g.: "So I figured, why not sell the whole thing? I pretty much own it all anyway, right? Right?"--[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Ĵĩôřũĵĩ Đēŗāķō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  20:45, 19 September 2007 (CDT)


 * (2) The act of abstaining from management and/or delegating day-to-day operations and maintenance to unpaid lackeys.
 * (3) To flee the country, the press, the disgruntled employees, or all of the above.
 * (4) The act of successfully keeping silent and incognito for a period ranging from six days to over a year. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:52, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

killing red links
I saw your edit to Template:Skill box sb ... can you make a similar edit to Template:Skill icon? It's a protected template, so I'm unable to access it myself. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you point to me to an instance where Template:Skill icon is used to generate a red link? It doesn't appear to link to Optional so I want to make sure I know what I'm doing by examining how it's used. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed a couple instances in the main namespace ... but here are a few instances of it in the user namespace: User:Kamer/Testbuilds and User:Perfectsam.
 * Of the four links I clicked on to find examples, I also found that Template:Attributes has been used with optional, such as in User:Zerris/Buildbox/Archive 1. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Update: I believe that I've fixed Template:Attributes (feel free to double check my coding) ... but Template:Skill icon can only be updated by an admin. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...
For once again swinging the ban hammer. Silver Sunlight 19:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Swingin' it hard, too!--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

And thanks to all those who helped with reverting the pages (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 19:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * NP :P--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The undo button is fun. Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 19:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

THANK YOU
For protecting that --Macros 22:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, I deleted all the related ban tags without banning anybody. It is my philosophical believe that bans should be used to prevent future issues instead of being a punitive measure.  With the semi-protection and the warning on top it should stop all the casual vandalism of the page.  I will only start banning people who vandalize the page after it's semi-protected. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand, I agree protection of the page is better than banning, it's just I can't protect pages :P --Macros 23:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm?
I always thought it was. Meh, shame on me for not knowing though. &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 19:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That flag would be for October 1st, 1949. I happen to want nothing to do with that flag. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It r halloween
Should we add a notice to the main page? I'm pretty junk at layouts etc, and I don't really want to make it ugly. - Auron 08:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Firefox Search Bar issue
Figured you'd see it here faster: Removing guildwiki's old search engine and adding it again seems to have fixed the issue. I know that's not exactly what you had suggested, but you did suggest to remove it in the first place (which I cannot believe I didn't think to try). The new url result includes an "index.php?title=" section that was not there before, and everything is back to normal. Thanks again :) -- <font color="#000000">Goteki-45  06:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Nukm?
I was reviewing the recent changes, and came across this. You already did the deleting on this, but I was just wondering if you could fill me in on what was going on? I hang out with some of the people from Nukm Radio, and we had some issues a few days ago with someone wiping out their teamspeak server, as well as alot of drama associated with that. Any info you can provide me from what happened here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Sk8 18:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * From what I gather, an anon was reporting/complaining that the radio was making fun of a certain GuildWars player with disability, which the anon found to be greatly offensive. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much [[Image:Isk8.png]]Sk8 19:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Would it be over-stepping my bounds to ask for the anon user's Ip Address? [[Image:Isk8.png]]Sk8 19:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If I had deleted it later you would've been able to see it in the Recentchanges, so I think it's not a problem to show it. It is 81.106.249.178. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Much obliged [[Image:Isk8.png]]Sk8 19:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalizer
Thanks, but he's just gonna come back tomorrow.-- (Talk) (Contr.) 19:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if he changes his IP he can be back in 30 seconds. If he does not, he won't be back until Friday. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Willing to bet, that he cannot change his Ip that fast, it will probably just renew to the same Ip address he had before. I know thats the way comcast works out here.  Probably after a 24 hour period and he renews his Ip address, it gives him a new one.  Just my suspecting take on it.  [[Image:Isk8.png]]Sk8 19:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if you wanna propose a permanent range-ban on all AOL users, do it in the community portal talk. My practice is and has been to exponentially increase the ban duration on same account/IP for returning offenders, but do nothing to track sockpuppetry or IP proxies. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Game Update
Correct me if I am wrong... but during evaluation periods of skills, don't we leave the original forms intact? This is what I recall from previous times anyway. I'm just noticed alot of the skills descriptions are being updated. Isk8 01:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

In general that is what we do. However it is just as easy to revert so there's no real harm done. This didn't affect like 50 skills - some of the other huge buff/nerf sessions got out of hand because of the great number of changes. Some of these look to be "Fixes" (such as for Weaken Armor, Body Blow, etc), too, so they are likely to stay. (T/C) 02:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sk8: If they say they are just gonna do a weekend test, then I would argue we leave original forms intact. However, in this case, the changes may be indefinite, and we don't even know if Anet are gonna ever say "ok the change to Healing Breeze is gonna stay" after 6 months or whatever, so I think in this particular situation updating the articles maybe the right thing to do.  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Usually when they pull this whole "evaluation" thing, it will stay about a week, and they then make up their minds about the skills. I quickly realized it would have been foolhardy to try to revert the skill changes as they were happening way to fast.  (Though I attempted on the official wiki (reverted breeze and shockingly enough, no one has yet unreverted my revert :D)) We shall see what these skill updates bring.  I feel that the monks got nice buffs, but they are a little overpowered (and this coming from a primary monk :P )

So anywho, thanks for getting back to my question quickly. Isk8 02:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the update notes did specify the "next week" as a period of testing, and during which period additional adjustments maybe made (or reverted), I agree with Sk8 that the skill template articles should be reverted to, with additional notes on the skill articles describing the current test (this also help people compare the changes made during the testing period in case Anet is looking for feedback of the temporary testing changes on various forums). The person/people updating the skill descriptions should be (politely) informed so we don't end up in revert wars.  And when "reverting", one should first edit the main skill article to note the "experimental" skill change.  Once that is noted on the skill article, then revert the template. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm also noticing alot of the updated articles are on the 0-15 scale instead of the 0-12 scale. Should I start fixing these too? Lol [[Image:Isk8.png]]Isk8 02:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah please do (and it'd be great if you can notify the people doing 0-15 scale so they won't repeat the mistakes). Thanks. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]])

Templates and image resizing
I noticed that on the official Wiki, images would not be resized by a template if they fell short of th e width for resizing. I couldn't figure out how that worked so I'm wondering, is it possible to do that here so certain skinny pics don't get turned into pixelated messes by templates? Thought you'd be the best person to ask :P Jennalee 02:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, we actually found a solution for that. In the |image= parameter, you can just put the image and then manually specify a size. Eg. |image= 120px It's messy but it works. I checked out the GWW template and though I couldn't find any hardwired code differences, perhaps their internal software is different than on GWiki. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep - that was the thing - no difference in code yet it didn't resize when the width was below the template's specified size. I was wondering about if there was a manual way to set the size but I guess that answers the question :) Jennalee 04:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I can't get that to work T_T - trying it now with Sseer's Wish with no apparent luck. Jennalee 04:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed how the template works so it's done, for image 0 and 1 at least. Didn't bother with 2~4 but you can figure out how to do it on your own if it's needed. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:49, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * PanSola and real Wikiskills to the rescue :) It worked on GWW and on my talkpage experiment, so I dunno why it wasn't working when you tried it. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I did try | image = 120px and variations of, but it never actually displayed an image that was resized properly. Well, thanks to Pan I guess that's not an issue now ^^ Jennalee 10:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * With the code in the template when I looked at it,  | image = 120px  is not supposed to work. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 10:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, no idea then, must be software diffs [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Jarge
This user:
 * 1) Added to GW:NPA and has broken it on many occasions
 * 2) Has broken GW:SIGN many times
 * 3) Added a ban notice on my userpage where it was unneccessary. (I did nothing) <B>RT </B>| Talk 12:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Editing that article is not a crime, and is not against policy
 * Breaking GW:SIGN itself is not a bannable offense (it really depends on *how* he is breaking them. Impersonation via signature would be bannable. Not signing woulud not be).
 * It's just Wiki drama. He *believed* he had a reason to put that tag there, you disagree.  In this case, you are correct.  But just because he is wrong it's not a bannable offense either. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 12:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up! <B>RT </B>| Talk 12:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Would it be possable for you to remove that tag? <B>RT </B>| Talk 12:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * He added this: "You shoud be able to talk about the game, nonliving things, and the world in general with some amount freedom, but try not to mention sensitive subjects because admins can ban you if they *think* you are breaking the rules, even if you think that you aren't." to GW:NPA. I think that is more vandalism, than a good addition. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (s)talkpage 12:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's drama, and banning him for that would make the drama bigger, when a simple revert would've fixed it. If he repeatedly tries to insert that passage in, then that would be a cause for banning.  Anyways, I've "removed" the tag he made, by enclosing it in NOWIKI tags.  I feel that tag is part of the conversation, instead of an actual request for ban.  Keeping it there helps keep the context of the conversation, while the NOWIKI tag makes it not actually putting you as a candidate for banning. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 12:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA
Ouch :P I thought about deleting it outright but I was not sure if we were allowed to do that, seeing as how in the past even some non-serious nominations got archived rather than deleted. (T/C) 13:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I was also tempted into deleting it. But general GuildWiki experience has taught me to better leave a record of why something is a bad idea, as opposed to removing the evidence of existence of the bad idea.  But well... looks like MP got it deleted anyways. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 17:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For clarification, MP was the one who put up the delete tag. I would've weakly opposed the delete. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 17:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What? Oops, I thought that was you, I oppose deletion >.> I will go un-delete it now. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Hiya
Just popped into say hiya to my favourite user of those who only contribute to GWiki nowdays. Good to be working with you again! (left gww because Raptors pwns it) -- (gem / talk) 22:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * we'll miss u gem --Cursed Angel 22:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No you wont, but that's ok. :) -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 22:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Heh, well I don't particularly contribute much here these days either. Just haunting the RC and talk pages.  In terms of content I don't think I actually added anything of significance in the recent past d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I only contribute to GWiki :( [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You say it as if its a bad thing! I only contribute to gwiki, but i have a userpage on gwwiki.. I left about 4 days after i got there, after that... "Incident.." with Raptors and Ryudo.. 08:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Entropy was probably just sad because I said "Just popped into say hiya to my favourite user of those who only contribute to GWiki nowdays." butdidn't post a similiar post on his talk page. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 23:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "His" talk page? Oh wow, you just made her feel a whole lot better >< -- Snog  rat [[Image:User Snograt signature.png]] 23:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the scales of justice, I used to think Gem was a girl because of the pink sig. :P [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

dammit!
why couldn't you have rearranged the Wikia move page earlier today when I was writing my essay on it!&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 08:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ROFL. I'd like to see your essay when you are done with it (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah btw, about your paper, you might also want to check General disclaimer d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That definitely needs to be prominently linked on the account creation screen or something, I think I've already gotten about half of those side effects and I could have avoided it! (I press Shift + Alt + L on non-wiki websites...) --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  09:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The disclaimers has been on the bottom of every single page. It's a pretty universal spot to find disclaimers on the web these days. d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 09:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * User:JediRogue/Ethics. I hope I got my facts right. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 19:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Bleh, I never click links hidden at the bottom (unless I need advanced editing tips, then I click the MetaWiki logo). I mean, that disclamer should be in BOLD and red lettering when you hit the "log in/create account" button. :P --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  19:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Would be better if that was moved into the screen for making edits and stuff, I think. Although no one reads that either. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

How do you typically deal with
anons that vandalise with changin IPs?-- (Talk) (Contr.) 20:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I look at each IP's contributions independent of each other. And decide if that particular IP deserves a ban.  If the guy is changing IPs so fast by the time I'm gonna ban he's already onto a different IP, then there's no point in banning the IP he already abandoned. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there not a range-ban feature? I've seen it employed on Wikipedia and other Wikis before. AlphaCentauri 21:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Would ban others that are legit tho. <B>RT </B>| Talk 21:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Range ban can/were used in certain heavy transgression cases, but that's a low-tech method of dealing with vandals who are not tech-savvy (since they are staying within a small range of IPs). Range ban is completely useless against open proxies and TOR rings the like, I believe, unless you range it so big you block out several nations alltogether. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The thing on our side here is that we are not Wikipedia - our content generally comes from established users - which means that it is far less detrimental for us to have a large range ban (temporary, of course), though that would probably still not be a viable solution. I know that WoW-wiki has user-only editing - no IPs are allowed to edit - but I don't know how that is going and if it is working well. AlphaCentauri 21:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * We are not Wikipedia, but our content generally comes from anonymous contributions. Logged-in uers amy have more activity shown in the RC, but those are a lot more about formatting and editing.  If you count original content (which is hard to track directly without going into every edit), anons have a big part in it.  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahh, nvm, you're right. AlphaCentauri 21:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The other problem with doing range bans is that it sets a bad precedent. Range bans, like protecting a page, isn't a tool to be used lightly or whenever it seems appropriate. That just makes it a commonly accepted practice and makes the community or admins' opinions tend towards the "Ban all anons, they are just vandals" theory. Which is completely false. We don't want to encourage that kind of atmosphere - ideally, we would never have to protect a page or do any range blocks, but there are just some persistent people out there who we have no choice but to use heavier firepower against. GuildWiki should try as much as possible to be an open, enjoyable place for everyone to edit, free from restrictions and threats of bans and stuff. That is one of the few advantages we still have over GWW - more liberal atmosphere. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

omfg
i saw you in the move log and thought it was the vandal returned. lol &mdash; ♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 20:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw the notice at the top of the page ... but not seeing any change in appearance. Is that change still a work-in-process? --71.227.150.109 20:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the change is stuck in the job queue due to all the vandalisms with templates... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you know...
Why all the elite skill templates suddenly have a red link for elite? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3"> Shadow crest   20:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Its cause MP accidentally deleted it. In the confusion, several users mislabeled stuff for deletion. I'll fix. &mdash; ♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 20:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you also know
I have been fascinated by the fact your sig says User:PanSola (rather than PanSola), and I have not noticed it until I pointed it out to someone else before? Just a random note :) --- -- (s)talkpage 22:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I did it mostly to shorten the resulting wiki code. I hate sigs that are too long, especially with the wiki code. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

You've been framed!!!
See? <font color="Purple">Thoughtful  11:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * He noes, he was on at that time. <B><font color="Green">RT </B>| <font color="Red">Talk  - A joyous wintersday to all 12:04, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, little kiddy went on quite a rampage didn't he? Some people seriously need lives.  [[Image:Isk8.png]]Isk8 12:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool patch!
Will that stop the all click links? <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  21:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's a temporary measure that only ensures the next/prev diff links and the sidebar are not affected (until someone catches on and start using a bigger number). And I'm not sure why it isn't working... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ctrl + F5? <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  21:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's something else entirely. I've modified it.  The ideal solution would be via RegEx block, and I've made that request to Wikia staff, but they are busy debugging the 1.12 upgrade so not sure when that's gonna happen. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you remove the sitenote? <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  22:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know if it is actually over. Things sometimes get delayed.  I'd wait a bit longer before removing it. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So what does it do? -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 22:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It puts the offending transparent background of the link that covers the entire screen on a lower priority compared to other elements on the page. If another element has a higher priority, your mouse click will land on that other element instead of the transparent background.  Not all elements can be put higher though, and once the bad guys catches on they can just manually specify their link to be higher than the CSS default, so it's only a temporary solution until we can get RegEx blocking. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 04:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, I see it now. :) -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 06:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikicode
Looking at your Monobook stuff reminds me a lot of when I used to write code for MUDs. It's like it is just outside my ability to comprehend it...I know the basic structure but not the advanced content.

Anyway, what with vandals seeming to get more savvy all the time, I was wondering if perhaps you could point me to a (friendly) place to start learning how to write some Wikicode fom scratch, like you do. The stuff direct from MediaWikis is too technical for me. (T/C) 23:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, wiki code is more like templates and parser functions stuff, which doesn't seem to be what you are asking for here. CSS is a web standard controlling formatting/display of web elements, whereas Javascript is a pretty typical procedural programming language.  I mostly learned by watching and learning, and some of the Wikia people helped a lot in the past (back when I was still working on the Chinese wiki).  General rule of thumb: don't write from scratch, modify someone else's existing stuff.  Nowadays if I need to look up anything on JS or CSS, one of the first 10 google results typically fill my needs. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Great...
Looks like it didn't work :( --Gimmethegepgun 23:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was expecting it, and was collecting data on how quick adaptation happens. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Warning about the "Sandbox"
I think you misunderstood- I was trying to show them what it was, and i wasnt testing it on their pages, i did it by accident, and i didnt realise it was vandalism, because the browser i use (I constructed it myself using AOL files), is set to ignore Position:Absolute for some reason. Must be part of the AOL coding. -- <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Something broke
Hey Pan, the changes to the Java seem to have broken the Template:Showhide box. When it is actually used on people's pages, the boxes remain stuck in the "Show" position and there is no clickable link to Hide them. Just a few days earlier, they worked fine...you would load the page and the boxes would hide themselves after a second or two. I'm guessing this is related to that thing you did which disables the...something something...after the page loads, to prevent those clickable links and stuff from working? (T/C) 21:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, so you were experiencing the problems as well? Its pretty annoying. Lets blame Pan!! It is pretty annoying, it screws the formatting of my page up >.< --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 21:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Browser version? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * AoL here. Prob gonna change though, since the connection is (cencor)'d up. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 20:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * IE ftw. I can live without it of course, but I just want to know if I'm correct in thinking these things are related. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 12:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Nova
For your information, he wasn't serious on that, it was just a little joke we were having. -- -- talkpage 21:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Nova had asked permission from Fighter to vandalise that page on Teamspeak TM. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Get User:Fighterbitsj to verify it on the Admin noticeboard. Then whichever admin notices it first and in a good enough mood will probably lift it. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Will do. /slap Fighter --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Woh woh woh
He wasn't doing anything wrong, it was in jest (User:Nova) <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  21:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Wub you
<3 ---Jamster--- 11:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

You're back!?
... Are you? =/. If you are, good to see a European (are you?) admin back on. -- <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 11:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, I am no more back/away then I have been for the last 5 months I think. And no I'm not European. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 12:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I've been checking the wiki almost daily for the past 5 months, I just don't edit much, and most of the vandalism are cleaned up before I get to act, so you don't see me much. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 13:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Category:Policy, Category:Policy proposals
I'm also asking Gem and JediRogue. I just changed all Category:Policy to Category:Policies. However, "Administrate users, not content" refuses to get out of the category and I can't figure out why it's there in the first place. Secondly, Category:Policy proposal is also incorrectly named; however, none of the Policy proposals in Category:Policy Proposal have Category:Policy Proposal in them. I changed the "Policy Proposal" template to put them in Category:Policy Proposals, and now all of them say they're in Category:Policy Proposals, but they don't show up there. Help? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="darkgreen">Shadowcrest 22:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, once the problem is solved, can categories be redirected? That would make things so much easier. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="darkgreen">Shadowcrest 22:58, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, they can be redirected. That's a relief. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="darkgreen">Shadowcrest  23:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nvm! Fixed, User:Organism X found that if you save a page it will change the category. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="darkgreen">Shadowcrest 23:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * New problem: Why is Category:Policy a subcat of Policies? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="darkgreen">Shadowcrest 23:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the redirect, it by itself is categorized as part of Category:Policies. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 23:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. Jedi fixed it. No worries pan! --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="darkgreen">Shadowcrest  00:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear that. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Banned?
Yeah, confused now Zulu Inuoe 14:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This conversation is happening on the admin Noticeboard, too. A lot of people have been "blocked". I have no idea what the crap happened... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 14:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll post there then. Much appreciated. Zulu Inuoe 14:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You banned me too, any my IP is always on the 190. range.. =| &mdash;<font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">♥May♥ 14:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just got blocked saying my ip was being used by a Vandal, the vandals ip starts w/ 216 and my is always on 201 201.92.98.223 18:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See the Admin noticeboard. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  18:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a sockpupet...
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by PanSola. The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "ShesOnly12". The reason given for ShesOnly12's block is: "multi-vandal"

(If this automated message says you have been blocked by Adam.skinner or Rainith for vandalism, it could be due to a known bug. Please wait a few minutes and try again.)

You may email PanSola or one of the other active administrators to discuss the block. You can find the "e-mail this user" link in the toolbox. Note that you may not use the "e-mail this user" feature unless you have a valid e-mail address registered in your user preferences.

Your IP address is 216.151.156.20. Please include this address in any queries you make.

Don't know why you think I am. I have no relation to Shesonly12. --<font face="Monotype corsiva">The <font face="Monotype corsiva">Gates <font face="Monotype corsiva">Assassin  18:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Read the above section and the admin noticeboard. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  18:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikicode inquiry
Hey Pan, is there a way to "mask" an entire page in such a way that only part of it shows to a user, in such a way that visually it looks like only XYZ is on the page? If they then hit the Edit button they would still get the entire code, though. I want to improve my AWOL template so that users who want to see and use my userpage while I'm away can still do so without going into a previous diff from the history. At the moment I just blank everything and add the template. I would like to be able to have the template "hide" the rest of the page, with a clickable link that would "reveal" it if a user clicked on it...kind of like a showhide box, but less obvious.

Does this sound like something, anything that can be done in MediaWiki at all? (T/C) 05:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You could do . <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 05:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah comment is one way. Hiding things via the INCLUDEONLY tag kinda also works as a hack. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, those are extremely simple and basic, yet I didn't think of them. Thanks. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

collapsables
Hey Pan, where do we keep the scripts for the collapsable nav frame? I want to see about playing a bit to make a new one for the concise ones and it will also give me a chance to do some experimenting for my internet programming class (lol). Promise I won't break anything!&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 09:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. I'd like to know about that as well. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The code is now in MediaWiki:Common.js/NavToggle. I'm in the process of making a generic version at MediaWiki:Common.js/Toggler. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, pan..
Is there anyway for template code to go like (#if (code) ), and (#if  (code) ), is there any way for me to make only 2 or only 1 show? &mdash; Warw/Wick 20:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't exactly understand your question, but the answer is probably yes. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Go to my talkpage ( I cant remember the link) and its the top template. If you add | anything to it, it'll show somting. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You phail for not remember the link to your talk page, and double-phail for not using section-edits. Anyways, I went to your talk page, looked at the template, and see nothing when piping something after it.  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * To add theres a vandal for you to bann. And edit the page- The coding is hidden. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I did hit edit, both for the talkpage and the first template on your talk page. I really don't know what you are talking about. )-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ill show you: Thats for my main page. <User:Warwick/TopFront|2}} and thats what the talk page is supposed to look like. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Dudette, you said your talk page originally. Your talk page was using User:Warwick/TopEnd/Talk.  Um, where are you using User:Warwick/TopFront?  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * On both pages, at the bottom. With it, what I tried to get the coding to do was if you entered |1 it'd show the userpage, and is you entered |2, it'd show the talkpage. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "Go to my talkpage ( I cant remember the link) and its the top template." You really need to work on your sense of direction... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'd originally put it at the top, but it left an ugly space so.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Your a wikia helper?
Since when, I never knew <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  15:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Since quite a while ago (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

random switch
Hey Pan, does MediaWiki code support a "random" or "switch" function of any sort? For example, let's say I wanted something like this to work on the Wiki (hit Edit button)...

switch(random(10)) { case 0: foo break; case 1..8: <font face = "Wingdings"> bar break; case 9: foobar break; }

...it's C++ variant but perhaps you'll understand what I mean. (T/C) 20:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * We do have switch statements (you can see Template:Weapon qr top on it being used). I'm not sure about random though, and having random stuff can slow down the site depending on where you put it (eg, part of Halo's sidebar is randomly generated, and that slows the ENTIRE site by a lot). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's good enough. Thanks again Pan. I'm glad we have one of the old code hands like you still around... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Turn 'yo minot edit on
foo'. =P. &mdash; Warw/Wick 07:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Pan considered her (his?) comment to be important enough that it shouldn't be overlooked? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The minor edit system phails anyways. If we depend on it, vandals will all minor their edits.   -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Minor edites are overrated. Turning them off is like showing only anons... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 16:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Want to trade minis?
hey, ive got duplicates of siege turtle, nedrid horseman and thorn wolf; I am interested in your Fungal Wallow and Whiptail Devourer. Leave a comment on my user page if you are interested. Qwerty091 20:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Stalk
I should add this to Jedi's page, when I can be bothered. &mdash; Warw/Wick 20:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Do NOT
Change pages like that. The mirror idea, while may not have been your idea, you still did it. Its disruptive, and screws with spacing. I appreciate that you did it as a april fools joke, but remember that we need to look professional. As well as this, the fact that you edited it and made it so that nearly no-one could revert it made it worse. Personally, I think that it should be considered vandalism, but I doubt very many people share my perspective on this. &mdash; Warw/Wick 15:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Vandalism? Meh. The main page, I'd rather consider vandalism than the side bar. But that is, just as well, April Fools. And, the sidebar change doesnt cause any visual disruption, besides it being on the other side, for me. Must be cause of AOL :D --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 15:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. When deleting pages, it now says retuen to April fools 2008, annoying... <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  15:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Side bar = ugly as **** --Macros 15:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a good one RT. I actually went to check whether MW normalizes the casing and produces a red link. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Pilot error, so how do you change that <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  19:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well basically it points to . -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It is vandalism. Zulu Inuoe 15:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Pan. --Macros 19:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For what? o_O""" -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For balancing the universe as we know it. --Macros 19:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just cleaning up left-behind javascripts that point to a CSS that was deleted. Someone else balanced it first. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Regardless, it was after your edit that the sidebar got put back into its rightful position. --Macros 19:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that means your browser cache was semi-stuck. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What did you do? As far as I can see, your edit did nothing. Yep, I just reemptied my cache. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed a javascript call that loads a CSS which no longer exists. So the only thing my edit is supposed to do is remove a javascript error.  Now, for ppl who have a semi-stuck cache, the deleted CSS may still be in their browser cache, causing the sidebar to still go to the right side on talk pages, so the change to the javascript will cause ppl who still have the css in their cache to nolonger use that CSS, preventing the sidebar from going to the right (but only if their javascript is not cached, which is odd when the CSS is, so I use teh term "semi-stuck"). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I liked the bar on the right, after a while. But doubt it'll be useful in the long run ;) Anyhow, could you give the code? I wanna store it in my sandbox in case I feel mirrored ^^ --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I apologies for my earlier angriness. I was annoyed, because it totally screwed up the spacing, the positioning and the general looks of GuildWiki for me, but I knew even then that you'd intended it as a joke, but I considered it an annoying joke. I still do, and on a slight scale, vandalism, but since a) its you b) i have no ability to do anything to you and c) i'm pretty sure a lot of other people disagree, I'm letting it go. How kind of me. =P. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Does anything actually break (does not behave like trivially moving the sidebar to the right side) for you? Or is it just the unconventional placement that is extremely annoying to you?   -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Viper: the CSS rules are in MediaWiki:Mirror.css. You'd need to import it via your own CSS or insert it via javascript somehow. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was quite cleaver. It is a bit awkard but its funny for a day at least. That is, unless it breaks stuff. (in which case, is it because your personal CSS is off or your browser is bad.) &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 20:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ...and this is why a bit more of a warning would be nice next time Pan. You said you proposed it to the WowWiki "some time ago", yet we only get about 12 hours notice. What's up with that? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Cuz that's a super random thought that I originally thought wouldn't end up happening. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not solely blaming you as the cause of other users' issues with the April Fool's. Yes, it was kind of spontaneous and I'll grant that you had rather limited means of contacting all the admins about it in a timely manner, much less preparing the rest of the users. Still, I'm hoping that you didn't let the adrenaline rush go to your head, and that you considered what might be some of the possible reactions before doing anything...I believe this to be the case since you did not act totally surprised when some people expressed discontent.
 * I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're good to have around, Pan, since you're one of the only people here who knows how to work with MediaWiki/CSS/JS/etc code fluently. But that sort of knowledge can also cause a lot of trouble when you change things like the entire appearance of the site. Yes, these were moderately small and mostly benign changes, but...what about next time? Can I be assured that things will go as smoothly as they did? Basically, you've got power outside of my control. There are no policies or real past precedents that tell me what to do. "Vandalism"? I could ban or even desysop you if I felt it was the right thing to do, but that would be pulling pretty hard on "administrative discretion". Yet I need to strike a balance between what you can do to benefit the Wiki and the needs of other users. The number of people who complained was a minority...this time, at least. But what am I to do if it's more next time? It's an awkward position to be in. I trust you to do the right thing but fear the worst nonetheless. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers
And now get an archive ;) --- -- (s)talkpage 20:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevers <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  20:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nowz :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Help please
No images whatsoever, whether they are Guildwiki's logo, or just someone's signature on a talk page (such as my sig), are appearing for me currently. This is the second time this has happened to me today, the first time was fixed with a simple browser cache clearing. This time, nothing's working. Any ideas?-- (Talk) (Contr.) 21:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No clue. I know Wikia's image servers act up sometimes, but I'm not seeing it at this moment. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And now they're working again...--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh, crappy servers. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And now they're not...--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is what I'm seeing.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's really weird. Browser version? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * IE, 7 I think. Now it's working again.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do pages take a long time to load when the images are broken? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope. And no images again.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it's beyond my ability to figure out what's going on. Bring it to the Wikia staff noticeboard. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I see this somethimes too. I think it's just that you time-out on the image server. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 14:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is bullshit. The wiki is lagging, sometimes I get japanese/chinese (sorry, no difference to me) letters instead of english ones and text is randomly replaced with other stuff. And the default theme, jesus. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 14:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not much slower since all the ads are blocked for me, but I also see Japanese/Chinese/wahtever it is. Forcerefresh seems to work, usually. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 14:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm getting the same stuff, no pictures, the template is acting up too. The Go button is using a bunch of symbols like &*L)%#&!@ and the "Search button is messing up too.


 * These are way beyond what I can do with JS and CSS. If they are still happening, document them on GuildWiki talk:Wikia Migration so the Wikia ppl have a centralized place to see what problems needs to be fixed (I don't see any of the problems being reported). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
I was just editing my userpage and noticed this clear template thing, i checked my history and i'm assuming it was you who added it. I didn't know about it and it cleared up my page a lot.--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 21:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

you are
Win. Even if you do need an archive xD --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  00:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * One of the sections from a year ago remain unresolved, which is part of why I haven't done an archive yet (I am not opposed to just archiving later sections, but that takes more work and I don't want to put in the effort of doing so yet). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

thanks :o
...for fixing those character templates. Ruricu pressured me into assisting, and I had no idea what I was doing. >_< 00:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I was being annoyed by ppl blaming Wikia for something that is not Wikia's fault, and that nobody else seemed to understand )-: . -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately that's human nature. Phailing is never your fault, there's always a massive, faceless corporate entity to blame.  =/ [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 00:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * On that note, would you mind looking into a similar massive, faceless corporate entity of fail located at the bottom of my userpage? It's just another complex centering syntax error that used to work before, and I have no idea how to fiddle it in to cooperation. Thanks in advance if you can, else I'll just have to use some elbow grease on it. >:D [[Image:Ruricu-sig.png]] ( Talk • Contribs) 02:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * the P tag should not contain DIV tags inside, that is the problem. Will fix.-User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Monaco
Other than enabling the (mostly useless imho) widgets, is there any benefit whatsoever for switching from Monobook to Monaco skin? (T/C) 04:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I do find a few widgets to be handy (such as the "Recently edited by", which saves me the trouble of gong to the history to see who made the latest edits for the page). Anyways, aside from the stuff provided by the widgets, additional benefits include an easily customizable multi-level sidebar and toolbox, and... um, some other stuff that don't work on GuildWiki for the moment... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 04:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the "most recent edit" as well. But I don't think Monaco is worth using over monobook. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What are the specific problems that make you not like it? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 04:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) is ugly; 2) too used to Monobook; 3) too much "fluff" compared to the benefits, for my taste. If I could pick and choose the benefits I wanted and dump the rest, I would just append them to the Monobook skin and that would be that. But I don't think it can be done. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a very old, small moniter that won't allow higher resolutions, and Monaco's side bar is very fat. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if you can help with this project, that'd be much appreciated. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the reason I asked, to be honest - I saw that in your contribs. But there are no instructions on the page. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In terms of ugliness, the font, color, spacing, and to a certain extent the layout can all be modified. I think as long as we don't mess with the advertisements, there's a lot that can be modded via CSS and Javascript.  Thus the more feedback the better.
 * [[Image:PanSola monaco sidebar mod 1.jpg]]. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It looked far wider with show preview earlier; what's your resolution? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm on 1600x1200, but I don't maximize my windows. Most of the time I size the window to my mood, though when I am working on CSS stuff I size it to 1280x1024.  The sidebar in that image there takes up 135px width. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's still larger than mine, but alright. I'll work with Monaco for a while and let you know what I think. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Having collapsible,customizable toolbars - good. Showing RC, "Shoutbox", problem reports, etc. on the sidebar - waste of space. That's what I think. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Entropy: Shoutbox, RC, and most of the other widgets are optional and can be turned off. You can re-order all of them (except the navigation menu + search bar, that has to be on the top) to make the ones you care about go on the top.  There are a few that are useless and cannot be turned off, but turning them off vs moving them to the bottom don't really make a difference in terms of wasted space (the space is either blank at the bottom, or showing something useless, and both are really just wasting space). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Felix: Um, how does *my* resolution matter? The width of that sidebar is 135px, which is the same as the normal monobook sidebar width (which is the reason I picked that width in the first place).  (For clarification, the stuff in teh screenshot is something I am developing.  You need to edit your css to see that setting) -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, I was just complaining. Help me work out the css, please? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

problem reports
What exactly are these? And what do we do with them? I'm a bit confused. (T/C) 06:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)