User talk:R.Phalange

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First whatever 18:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Last.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake 2.gif|19px]] 20:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Invalidated. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Children, talkpage spam is evil immoral annoying, so please stop it. --◄mendel► 22:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you understand, Mendel. You're an everlasting beacon of hope for me. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  22:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Put up or shut up
If you claim to be active, please get to work. There's plenty of things to do. If not, just go away. 14:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lighten up. You aren't the patroller of all things admin. If he thinks he's active enough to sit in the active column, who the hell are you to tell him otherwise? If you've got a problem with him being not quite as active as your preferences call for, take it up on here. "Hey, you're listed in the active category, yet all the other sysops who are have made blah amount of significant, recent contributions or an edit in the past blah days. You sure you're around?"
 * That kind of stuff is fine. It lets him know you're watching, but also that you're there to help. As it is, you aren't here to help. Your behavior is as disruptive as trolls on GWW. Please rethink your purpose here on the wiki. - Auron 15:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To be fair, the contrib list is in his favor..... --JonTheMon 15:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been thinking the same thing, myself, but hadn't had the chutzpah to actually post it (thanks Felix!). In the ruckus following R.Phalange's promotion, Auron argued very vehemently that he did it because the wiki desperately needed another admin, that the wiki was going to stagnate and die if we didn't get a "mover and shaker" to counteract it, and that R.Phalange specifically should be that new admin (okay, I paraphrased greatly there, but that was the gist of his argument).  Yet... how much has Phalange actually done here?  I have seen nothing to support Auron's argument - in the almost 2 months since his promotion, Phalange has deleted 3 pages, restored 1, and not performed any bans or prots.  I'm not saying that admins should be required to utilize their powers on a daily basis - that would be silly - but Auron's expectations of both the wiki's demise and the need for Phalange's sysop status have clearly not been fulfilled.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * One of the lessons learned (chatting with R.Phalange on IRC helped me here) is that it is not simple to transfer your role from one wiki to another. Realizing that, Phalange wanted to shed the brains12 image and created a new identity (I'm not calling it a sockpuppet because he stopped using "brains12" long before he started R.Phalange), but then behaved in "admin-ish" ways. Had it been known that R.Phalange was really an admin on another wiki, he might have been met differently, generating comments like "this is not GWW" and "you're just a user here", but as it was, some ill will was built up. The circumstances of the promotion then put R.Phalange in a difficult position to start moving and shaking from, if that was his intention.
 * The role you are able to play in a group or community is shaped to a large degree by the community and how it sees you. It is not enough to see yourself in a certain role and to intend to act that role, or to transfer a role from one community to another. The role you play in a community is sort of adjusted until it fits both, and if you try to jump this adjustment process you may be given a role you never wanted and that may require a bit of work (and time!) to change. --◄mendel► 07:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well said. R.Phalange, if you haven't been as active as you'd like out of choice or out of extenuating circumstances, that is one thing; but I have doubts that you are satisfied with the way things are currently. So I'm going to take a leap of faith and guess that you either don't feel welcome here (see header) or that you feel all ready and raring to go, but don't have the support you anticipated. For the former, there isn't a lot that can be done beyond patience, but as you can see this can be interpreted many ways. To the latter, know that at the least, Auron and (for whatever it's worth) I still believe in you, and we are willing to help with whatever you have in mind to do. You can't force anyone to help you if they don't want to; but at the same time, no one will ever help you if you don't tip your hand at least a little and show them what your plans are. Suggestions, for example, would never fly if those were secret projects buried in the dark recesses of the Wiki; instead, they are made prominently public, and due to that they have some willing helpers such as Dr Ishmael and Mendel. Now, I know that's an oversimplification, but I think you'll understand the basics...it's a give-and-take relationship. If you are more open to the community, they will be more open and receptive to you and your ideas. Try floating a few test balloons and see what people think. Maybe they'll be shot down; maybe they'll be enthusiastically embraced; but either way it is much better than staying silent. If you truly care about and value your position here, as I know you do, you'll know that you can't make real change alone...so even if you aren't out to make friends here, at least try to cultivate working relationships. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's ironic that I originally only registered because Felix was self-destructing and needed his head dunking in cold water but... Bt(omigod I can't see what I'm typing thanks to ****y wikia skin). Err..anyway (god, I hate not being able to see what I just wrote): Brains, you came in here as "The ManWithNoName", stirred up trouble trying to get Felix banned (and you were correctly punished by Auron for that), and then got a controversial promotion, and started acting as though you were on GWW with an established rep, laying down the law (eg talkpage spam).  Since then, you've made no effort to show this community your commitment to it.  If you can't find the time to do that, I suggest you just walk away rather than creating more needless conflict as you did by reverting Felix's change (which he shouldn't have done).  You're not active. Lurking does not make you active if you never intervene when necessary (don't try to tell me there've been no occassions when you've been lurking that a sysop hasn't been needed.  And you need to learn a bit of humility and realise that respect is earned, and cannot be demanded.  YOu've made no effort here to earn respect.  Felix, despite his tendency to speak harshly, makes a valuable contribution here.  You don't.  Auron's gone out on alimb to defned you and has damaged his own credibility as a result, possibly fataly undermining his chances of making a difference over here, despite Entropy's increasingly desperate efforts to paper over the cracks.  I wish Felix had just left you alone so you could be quietly forgotten, but you made sure his poking of you escalated things when you reverted his edit depsitte the fact that it plainly reflected reality.Lurkerabove 11:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why I even bother anymore tbh. No matter what I do, someone is unhappy. I quit precisely to avoid getting involved in these sorts of stressful situations. Auron doesn't know the meaning of stress so it's perfect for him. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Lurker, you don't realize that R.Phalange reverting Felix's edit was completely in order and should have lead to a talkpage discussion like this one (and the one on the admin info page, actually). The mini-drama (blew over too fast to really qualify) was caused by Felix's intial reaction, above, and Auron's reaction to that. So some of the cold water you're trying to pour over Phalange here missed the mark, and most parts you didn't miss were already thoroughly wet (see above).
 * Entropy, I've been happy to see you enjoy yourself on the wiki again. Maybe it's not to late for you to learn to embrace Wikidrama as a feature of Guildwiki - I'll make some popcorn for you if you like (or ask May for waffles?). The person who gets angry is stressing out - you can relax, lean back and see how the wiki community works this one out, commenting from the sidelines from time to time. --◄mendel► 13:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Entropy, you probably got it with your first guess -- rather than comment here there and everywhere and receive the usual barrage of accusations of ineptitude or whatever, I thought I'd take somewhat of a back seat but still be present when there's need for a third party if later intervention, advice, or help is necessary. As you say, it just needs patience.-- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  14:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want to prolong this but I see its still infecting the admin noticeboard, so a quick final comment. Mendel, you miss my point.  I don't dispute that Brains was technically correct.  It's just he should have predicted how Felix would react given Felix's...explosive...nature and taken precautions.  Really, Brains needs to decide if he wants to do the sysop job here, in which case he needs to realise it's not a matter of "patience", but rather him investing the time in building a respected profile here.  Only swooping in to insist he's "active" doesn't do that.  And seeming to prolong the Felix feud (that he is far from innocent in) doesn't help either.  I expected better of him, frankly.  It's not that Brains (or Auron) have behaved outside their powers, or even "wrongly" in an abstract sense.  It's that all of this is detrimental to the wiki, with respected contributors (eg Dr Ishmael) getting annoyed. Whether those respected contributors are *right* to be annoyed is, really, beside the point - the wiki needs them and their views are valid (which is a subtly different thing from "right"). Lurker out.Lurkerabove 19:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * lol, you said "Lurker out". &mdash; Powersurge360  19:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't be incorrect information on the admin information page -- it can help new users and experienced users know who they can talk to and know if they are "there". If someone has this "explosive nature", I shouldn't have to sabotage the usefulness of that page in order to keep that person from exploding -- that exploding person should change their own nature so the wiki isn't affected by it. Also, how exactly am I prolonging anything? How am I involved in this "Felix feud" other than correcting in good faith another edit made in good faith, and subsequently being on the receiving end of of Felix's comment above (which he has already apologised for, and that apology accepted)? -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  20:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Felix has shown he can be non-explosive (lol?), and is generally doing his best. We are all human, and thus greatly imperfect. Everyone fucks up often. Some are more visible, thus the fuck-up is a lot more visible. If Felix wouldn't be as visible, most of the bloodfeud would probably just be some talk page commenting, presumably ending up in either/both getting a ban. And just that. However, with Felix's visbility, it got carried on and on. And it still is present in people's minds and actions.
 * Otoh, with that apology, the issue about the rv and the starting comment by Felix is resolved, right? I suggest letting it drop in a deep dark abyss and burn. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  20:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello again
Although I do not believe I will ever be able to trust or accept you, I would like to apologize for the comment that started the above section. I felt insulted that you had reverted my change to administrator information without so much as discussing it, when to my mind it was perfectly reasonable, and so I responded in the same spirit. I do not want you to leave the wiki- in fact, I would be very happy to be able to work alongside you. It's just that you don't seem to want to do that. 09:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the apology. I didn't intend for anyone to be insulted over that revert -- I didn't think I'd need to discuss it seeing as I'm the one to whom the information belongs; I would know if I was active or not, and as it happens, I've been watching around from the sidelines and perhaps being the "neutral" one if I needed to intervene at a later time. I've needed to put certain people from active to semi-active on the GWW information page because their contribution list wasn't very recent and they also haven't been in the IRC channels for a while (or they hadn't responded on their talk page which asked if they are active), so your putting me from active to semi-active wasn't a problem. However, if that person had reverted me, I certainly wouldn't make a "do it, or get out" comment. Also, it's not so much that I don't want to work alongside you, but that others don't seem to want to work alongside me -- see: "Put up or shut up", "I do not believe I will ever be able to trust or accept you". I'm still here nevertheless. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  14:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)