User talk:Suicidal Tendencie/Archive 1

Ohaider. Welcome to this 'Wiki. Hope you enjoy your time here. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask ^^ --- -- (s)talkpage 18:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks :) Think I have the hang of it (though will probably prove myself wrong by putting this reply in the wrong place...). Suicidal Tendencie 18:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, don't worry. You did just fine :) Although we usually indent our comments by using a Colon when responding to someone. Just place x+1 colons in the beginning of your comment to indent, where x is the number of colons the user before you had. If this is confusing, sorry, I fail at explaining stuff :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 18:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Told you I'd fluff it. Why does my damn Dell keyboard seem to remove my attempts to sign my comments?Suicidal Tendencie 18:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no idea at all. I use an ancient Micro$oft keyboard. *always thought it was either Logitech or IBM O_o *, which can't even place accents on a letter. So I just use the [[Image:Button_sig.png]] Magical Sign Button *heavenly music and choir*. Always does the trick for me, unless I forget to click it (or click it when editing a Userpage. Yes I did that once >.> Or twice... ) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 18:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's my first day.... no, really.
''Er... hi all, tried a few things, failed miserably. If someone could tell me how to get "Intro" on a new line I'd be extremely grateful. Maybe one day I'll be good at this....nah, doubt it.'' Suicidal Tendencie 18:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Try adding

above the header. That should do the trick. --- -- (s)talkpage 18:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanx, I'll be the one who never gets the hang of it and people end up cracking jokes about me thinks... Suicidal Tendencie 18:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, don't worry. Everyone's a wikinoob some time. It's hard if you dont have any experience with coding beforehand. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 18:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, reading that i finally realised what

does, in the past i've always just spammed  untill things lined up right xD --Cobalt  | Talk  18:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Want me to fix the blackout box you put and then removed? --Powersurge360 09:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Er... how do you add the images on new ones? Suicidal Tendencie 09:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (EC) Pssst try [[Image:Blackout.jpg]] --Powersurge360 09:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Set the logo parameter to logo = [[Image:Whatever.jpg|50px]] . [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 09:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, now I doubt more than ever I'll get good at doing things on Wiki... watch me mess it up again Suicidal Tendencie 09:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at me! 6 months ago, i was a total wikinewb! Now I'm equal to pan *cough* or not *cough cough*.. :P. And dont break GW:YAV or I'll get Felix to ban you. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 09:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If Warwick told me to ban you, I'd nominate you for an RfA just to spite her. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 09:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * One thing I don't understand... I joined yesterday, how many people have looked @ my user page/user talk page since then? Suicidal Tendencie 09:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Be nice Failix. [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 09:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably around 50. Failix smash. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 09:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't play with me, I'm sleep-deprived... Did I seriously break "You are valuable"? Purely unintentional if so. (EC AGAIN!) Um... alot? I don't know if there's a way to tell. (EC AGAIN AGAIN) --Powersurge360 09:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sui, people tend to patrol RC (Recent Changes). Odds are, every time your page popped up on that list, somebody looked at it. :] [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 09:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you to all those above who helped me with the userbox Suicidal Tendencie 09:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Gone
I've left so don't bother trying to contact me, you're all pathetic, lay off Gravewit and get a life. -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, no one is "laying on" Gravewit. Until you started up discussions on the talk page, no one else was even paying a whim of attention to it.  It is extremely old news... and no one really cares anymore.  I don't know why you are beating this dead horse.  -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   I~sk8   (T/C) 16:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously? You're leaving because people you don't know have an opinion of someone else you don't know over a situation that occurred over half a year ago? I don't think it's us that need to get a life, but anyways... There's more to the wiki than just Gravewit, so come back whenever -- Dr R. Phalange  16:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Anyone else hoping Gravewit or someone else does another version of this?
Remembered why I don't like the Official one... and discovered another reason. They both have the same flaw. Floating about on the Internet with anyone being able to edit them/join as users/be an asshole means there's a lot of... people who are probably not worth having around. I'm beginning to think the GW:YAV should be looked at again. And one last ditched attempt (I do NOT want replies to this, but will get some anyway) anyone look @ GW:YAV and the things said about Gravewit? It raises a point. That point will get me abuse. Ah well. -->Suicidal Tendencie 14:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a wiki. Anyone is allowed to edit them, it's how a wiki works. Bug [[Image:Brown_stink_bug_adult_copy.png|19px||My Talk]] 14:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you see how that can be a weakpoint? -->Suicidal Tendencie 14:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It absolutely is- the very premise of a wiki is based on the supposition that every member of the community works toward the betterment of the site. In reality, this isn't the case, so we have to settle for what we can get. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 14:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You got abuse over that as well if I remember rightly. Abuse you didn't deserve I might add. Ever notice admins fail to treat all cases equally? -->Suicidal Tendencie 15:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I do appreciate your sentiment, but in the interest of peace and no more headaches I won't comment beyond this- we are all only human. Everyone would like to believe that the people running the wiki are capable of making completely fair, rational, and unbiased decisions 100% of the time, but again, when reality meets fantasy reality always wins. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 15:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I just thought, I better add this. I've a tendency to try and defend people I feel are getting a hard time, I wasn't trying to stir something up by saying that or trying to create "drama". -->Suicidal Tendencie 15:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * People generally receive a hard time for a reason; in this case, a very good reason. -- Dr R. Phalange 16:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You think the actions of somebody should lead to the basic foundations of how people interact with each other, including, but not limited to, the GW:NPA and GW:YAV, being forgotten and you, in your position here, think that that is how it should be and support that idea? -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * When one person acts against everyone else on the wiki, screw policy. The wiki comes first and if policy comes in the way of that, get rid of policy. If everyone feels the need to act against policy, you can be sure there's a damn good reason. -- Dr R. Phalange 16:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So what you're saying is, if I mentioned I was a fan of Green Day, and got really unpopular because of that, according to you, as everyone feels the same, they are free to ignore ideas such as the 2 mentioned above, GW:NPA and GW:YAV. Correct me if I'm wrong please. -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gain some perspective. Whether or not you like Green Day has no effect on the workings of a wiki. Illegally selling out to someone who screws the wiki over and over behind the collective backs of the whole community ruins a wiki. -- Dr R. Phalange 16:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't presume to be a legal expert, if it is, why don't you get one to look into it as you clearly feel so strongly on the matter?-->Suicidal Tendencie 16:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Frankly because it happened almost a year ago in situations I wasn't here for, and also because I have a little nagging feeling that Wikia has better lawyers than the guy down the street. I'm only responding to you because of your need to dig this up again. -- Dr R. Phalange 16:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I made my feelings clear that I think they're not always kept it mind... we were having a fine discussion until YOU brought it back up, I merely used an example. -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I think I just got thrown off by the fact that this was a discussion on Gravewit and policy, and how policy was ignored when giving him a hard time. -- Dr R. Phalange 16:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That was, honestly, an example, it was meant as nothing more. -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Two points: One, GW:YAV in practice amounts to "don't pull (lack of) rank". Nothing else. You may have been thinking about GW:AGF, and even this only goes so far: you can't abolish thoughtlessness by policy, and you can't forbid people interpreting the actions they think they perceive, even if the only thing that conects them with the person they feel sure about knowing about is some wiki software operating at typing speed. We're just personas here, and how you react to me will shape how I play my persona in this corner of the net. Exaggeration is the norm, unfortunately.
 * Point two: the very premise of a wiki is based on the supposition that every member of the community works toward the betterment of the site. (Felix, emphasis mine) No, it is not. If it was, there'd be no need for a history. The premise of the wiki is that the majority of users works toward the betterment of some part of the site, that they even out those with ill will and correct their mistakes, hopefully not stirring up too much drama along the way. I've had at least two severe differences of opinion with Pan Sola, and if we'd both been other members of this wiki, we'd have been all over the wiki with that. But we're not, and I'm proud of that, and respect PanSola for it. It would be easy to come to the conclusion that if we disagree, one of us must not be working to the betterment of the wiki. If you're used to binary logic, that must be true. But in fact it is not true, we both are, even though that may not be apparent.
 * From what I've read, Gravewit thought he was working for the betterment of the wiki. He felt unable to bear the responsibility of keeping the Wiki financially viable and thought that wikia were in the best position to guarantee that. He made the mistake of underestimating community politics - and this is the real drawback (as far as I can see) to Wikis. Since it is basically an open, ad-hoc community, you never know which edits or decisions blow up in your face and cause you to spend energy on discussions. The advantage is that you can do it to others: you can question their edits and learn from what they tell you with the energy they give you. Whatever policies there are serve mainly to ensure that this energy is harnessed as effectively as possible. Those who hate Gravewit and take no effort to understand the situation he was in won't profit from the experience when they are in the same situation - when it is their lone decision that blows up in their face unexpectedly. And believe me, as soon as you're editing on a wiki, that is what happens.
 * It is to some degree mitigated by the people who have formed a community sticking up for each other, i.e. people will support each other on issues (and this is what looks like a YAV violation) because they've been through the issues before, and it means that someone else gets the blast in the face. But if you do that too much, the wiki gets stale. If you can come to a wiki, raise a ruckus and people take you seriously, you can start bettering the wiki. With gusto! And that is why I am still editing here.
 * This has turned out to be quite a sermon on wikis. "Wall of Text", as we call it nowadays. Preaching for hope and faith in Wiki. The reason is probably that this is what I am learning at this time, coming to learn the meaning of wiki. If that means I have to stand up and preach hope and faith in the wiki, so be it. You may sit down now, sermon's over. --mendel 18:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The basic idea of a wiki is that if you want thousands of pages of information, that's far too much for any single person to do. Furthermore, no single person has the necessary expertise to write all of the pages.  Instead, allowing anyone to edit things lets a lot of different people add their own pieces gets a lot more information up.  Even that often isn't enough, though, and I don't just mean on minor details.  Even a couple years after release, the pages on Dunes of Despair and Vizunah Square were pretty pathetic.  Most of the GWEN dungeons have little to no tactical information on their pages, though having not tried them, I suppose it's plausible that they're just easy enough that it doesn't matter.  And it's not a case of competition from the official wiki, either; find a place where something is woefully incomplete on this wiki, check the official wiki, and usually that one will be even worse.
 * Allowing everyone to edit things seems dangerous, but the group that cares the most tends to win out. For vandalism, this works pretty well, because a lot of people who want the vandalism gone collectively care more about it than one isolated vandal who doesn't particularly care and will be banned soon anyway.
 * Where it really breaks down is when it's technical information that few people know about, and in a domain that many care about. Hot political issues where the facts aren't entirely known are the worst case of this that I know of; a long wiki page on global warming or the war in Iraq would be almost certain to contain some bad information if the wiki is popular and the page isn't protected.  In a computer game where most factual claims can be easily verified or refuted by a large number of people, that situation tends not to come up too much.  Quizzical 19:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Quizzical, in your summary you write: ''"another version of this?:" And start over on content entirely? No thanks.'' You know that we can take the content with us, right? The problem is going to be taking the community. --mendel 19:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Delete Tag issue
The admin noticeboard will be archived. It always is.

Just stop posting there and let the issue die down. If you have thoughts about the people posting there, you can take it to their talkpage, where the public scrutiny isn't so harsh and there's a better chance to come to an understanding.

Why did the problem arise? I think what you didn't understand was that you are as good an editor as any of us. You feel that there should be a standard for what is written to articles, but didn't hold yourself up to that standard when you wrote to the talk page. Whether Felix copying you verbatim was just his sly way of pointing that out, or whether his standards are lower than yours, I honestly can't say. What I can say (from experience) is that if you want the writing on this wiki to be of a certain standard, you have to pitch in and do your part. There may be conflicts as you discover cases where your standards might conflict with community standards, but with luck those will be few. I think you know this.

Have you by now learned how to use Template:Cleanup? If not, I'll be happy to explain. Other than that, I see no reason why you couldn't have placed that yourself. This being a wiki means you have as much right as the next guy to do that, your age doesn't matter, and if what you did is not consensus, it will be reverted, but that's life on the wiki and no-one will think worse of you for that.

Happy editing! --mendel 13:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I consider Talk Pages and certain other pages to be...less formal...than actual pages, e.g. one for a boss. Mendel, very few people automatically know how to do things before doing them, it would have been my first time to place such a template, and hence I did not know how to do so. -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, thank you for confirming my guess (even if you haven't answered the question, but that's ok). Your "hence" is slightly illogical because if you don't do things you don't know how to do, your first time doing anything you must know how to do it else you wouldn't be doing it. But that's recreational sophistry, I do understand your point. --mendel 23:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know how I confirmed your guess (or for the record...what guess?), I would point out you seem to be lacking when it comes to communication. You know what you're saying, you're the one saying it, but you do not really convey the message. All I understood from the above was that you understood my point, if someone doesn't tell me how to do something new to me, there is no way of me know how to do the thing in question.
 * I would add that the problem arose because, from my point of view, I asked the community for help. The response was, from my point of view, Felix, as a memeber of the community, mocking me when all I tried to do was help that community by trying to help with an article, despite the fact what needed to be done required knowledge of wiki-what-not.
 * I never did say I was going to be doing it though...look at the wording again. It would have been my first time. It would have been if I knew how to do it. Which, the point explains, as you said you understand, I did not. -->Suicidal Tendencie 22:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I really do feel terrible that you took this so personally. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My guess was that the reason you hadn't placed the tag yourself was because you didn't know how to do it, and you confirmed that implicitly with your response.
 * Doesn't the mindset of if someone doesn't tell me how to do something ..., there is no way of me [to] know how to do [it] impair your gaming experience horribly? For me, that's the fun in playing the game: to find out things on my own and experiment with new ideas. --mendel 06:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mendel, of course in the game that's the case but... I fail to see how that means I'm supposed to know how to do a template I've never used/watched someone use etc. -->Suicidal Tendencie 10:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For one, you're not "supposed to". Wikiediting is completely voluntary, and if you want to keep on pointing improvable articles out in talk pages, that's just fine, and a small but valuable contribution to the wiki.
 * The advantage of this being a wiki is that you can find out if you want to. The wiki is a culture of the word, almost everything anybody knows about this wiki is written down somewhere, it's just a matter of finding it. This requires skill in navigating a hypertext using the links and the search tool to find the information you need. Sometimes some experimentation is necessary, too. From an existing notice seen elsewhere or deft navigation one might stumble upon Category:Templates/Notices. Learning to use the information retrieval possibilities this wiki provides helps here, much as learning a game helps play it. Advanced Wiki users will know to use "What links here" to find pages of interest; e.g. for notice templates this gives a list of pages that bear the notice in question.
 * The most advanced course on finding information is probably Fravia's Searchlores site.
 * Oh, and you can always ask people, of course. I find that approach is most fruitful when I have first tried to find the information on my own. --mendel 13:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I do edit myself, I just didn't know how to make the template, it's not that big a deal... -_- -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

We love the preview button, do you ?
Hi there, I'm sorry to bother you, but would you mind considering using the 'preview' button a bit more ? It's a bit messy with all your edits showing up in the RC list. -- -- ( talk ) 11:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

(un)concise descriptions
Quick Shot

Use this template if you like. --◄mendel► 11:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the tip :) I always appreciate help, and am grateful to you, but I was being lazy. As it stands I will only be (every once in a while) updating the list when I've the time, with the skills themselves, with the name being a link. That would be very helpful, and would serve to illustrate it very well, but at this time I don't plan on investing that much time on my little side project (God knows going through Monster skills, PvE skills, and skills by attribute takes a little time). But once again, thanks very much for the advice. =) -->Suicidal Tendencie 13:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's one. - [[Image:AdVictoriam1.PNG|19px]] Ad Victoriam  14:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks =) -->Suicidal Tendencie 14:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, you get User:Suicidal Tendencie/Concise as a gift. You can put it on your main user page by simply using . If you don't like the gift, you can return it for a full refund. --◄mendel► 16:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * He didn't pay for it, but he can get a refund? That's awesome! btw, might want some sort of separation in there? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * o.O Thanks! -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't need to credit me (but I'm happy that you want to) - I am listed in the history of the page, after all. I wanted some sort of separators, too, but hadn't found an easy way to do it - until Viper's post made me think it over... --◄mendel► 17:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not completely sure (how do you measure it? character count?) but what about Dulled Weapon and Stone Sheath? - [[Image:AdVictoriam1.PNG|19px]] Ad Victoriam  00:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice touch with the seperation =) -->Suicidal Tendencie 09:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Survivor
What's more likely to keep a Ranger going, hiding and using a bow near the back, or being Ursan with +20 armor and +200 health? -->Suicidal Tendencie 09:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Maintaining Dryder's Defenses in the Frontlines will keep you running. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  11:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Genius
The genius in question was User:DragonWR12LB. Luckily, he's not been active for over a year, or you might've gotten yourself into another exchange of impolitenesses. :-P --◄mendel► 18:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

hey!
hey there ex-guildie! --Cloud dyl 18:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey there ;) How's Red 'nd all? -->Suicidal Tendencie 22:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Mostly good lol, wuu2 now? --Cloud dyl 15:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not much just Title Hunting atm, you? -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

In with the new....er....and an impressive sounding ending :P
Give us the 4 new professions since you're taking an age to make GW II >_< -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Weapon for new MoR build
Okay, I took a look through the axe skins and the Fiery Blade Axe looks pretty nice. I don't really care about the requirement so long as it's 12 or under. Not too picky on upgrades, either; of Enchanting or of Defense are good, though. On the inscription front, I Have the Power! and Guided by Fate are both great. Thanks again! Qing Guang 04:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a req 13 I don't use, want that to equip it and see if it goes with your armor? You do know that's not animated and 2D right? (Just checking) btw, if you want to talk to me in game my Necro uses my wikia name :-) -->Suicidal Tendencie 13:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it's an ele wanting the axe, so she can't have anything that requires runes to use. And I don't mind that it's not animated; I just think it looks cool. Qing Guang 06:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * see if it goes with your armor :P
 * One of my friends has one that he'll sell me when he can figure out how much they're worth (he just spent 500k on Zaishen Chest and needs the cash) so I'll have a req 9 one soon, just thought you might want to make sure it suits the ele first, that's all :P -->Suicidal Tendencie 11:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh haha slow on the uptake. I might want to check that, yeah, although just from looking at the image it looks like it would go alright with her standard fire outfit, orange-dyed Shing Jea armor. Qing Guang 17:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I still have to get the r9 one, so I just thought it's worth a try (no point getting something you don't like. That's another thing, if you don't like the skin, please do tell me. -->Suicidal Tendencie 20:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm late getting back to you but anyway I certainly like how it looks from what we have here on wiki, and I've only ever disliked something I've liked here once (and that was my small mistake with the Elonian armor for my para, and was mainly due to the deceptive /attention pose). And judging from screens of my armor and the screens of the skin, if I dye the handle orange it will match my Fire Magic armor set perfectly. Qing Guang 17:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry 'bout delay, trying to get hold of my friend who appears to have been distracted by RL over the holidays. Only know him on GW so can't do much about that. Should see more of him soon though. -->Suicidal Tendencie 17:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's okay, I've been taking a break from that character for a bit; been dungeon-running with my GL. Plus, that character's been running /A for a bit while I cap up all the Factions elites for sins. I'll probably revert to War once I've got all those. Qing Guang 18:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Help plz ><
Could someone please tell me how I get the icon of a skill on a page, without the name appearing behind it? -->Suicidal Tendencie 18:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think i can help you. Here's an example: [[image:decapitate.jpg]]. just use [[image:*enter skill name here*.jpg]] (press edit and copy-pasta, you can't see the ] and [ on the normal page). At least I think all icons are jpg.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png]]El_Nazgir 18:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See GuildWiki:Style and formatting/Skill display . You can use the usual image stuff with the first version, such as |19px. See also Help:Displaying images. --◄mendel► 07:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Delete Tag?
Hi all, I know the delete tag is generally how us lower beings delete pages, but is that the appropriate way to delete a User:Example/Blah_Blah page, or do we delete our own waffling? Thanx for helping me understand policy ^^ -->Suicidal Tendencie 19:38, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a delete tag would be how you request a userspace page to be deleted (even though it's your userspace, your account still doesn't have the ability to delete articles), usually with "User request" as the rationale. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanx Felix -->Suicidal Tendencie 19:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, to be exact, "user request" is what the sysop writes when he/she deletes yor page, you just say, preferably on an otherwise blank page that has no links leading to it. --◄mendel► 06:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, what many people do these days is simply bypass the tag altogether, blanking the page and leaving a message "Delete plz" or such. Directly contacting an admin can also work. (I say this because truthfully, I have not seen a delete tag used for a loooooong time) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Rly now. Needs more Delete Log checking imo. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it doesn't matter how you contact the admin, it's just that the delete tag is the one way that's guaranteed to work eventually. --◄mendel► 07:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I would still recommend using the delete tag over contacting an individual admin- the delete tag adds the given article to Category:Candidates for deletion, which has a convenient sidebar link for sysops in Monaco (and can be java'd in with Monobook) and thus can be deleted by any admin passing through, as opposed to waiting for the single admin you might choose to contact instead. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I keep tabs on every admin and other "power user" on the wiki, so as long as I am passing through, I'll see it. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Creepo McStalkfollow. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Never gonna give you up
Don't mind me messing with you for fun, I am pretty twisted like that :D It's nothing personal at all though, so I am sorry if you were offended. (T/C) 21:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * do you like to play twisters too? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:08, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No I wasn't offended, though slightly bemused when you seemed to brag about your superior experience, though that in turn was a spin-off from me giving it a shot in the first place.
 * I thought Felix helping was a really good display of the community coming together for a laugh and to be social. Not to offend you here, I felt on this occasion he was rather better at it than you were, though I do appreciate this message and certainly won't die bearing a grudge over 1 or 2 comments. (Apart from anything else, bearing a grudge against the head of a site or the most popular on a site is a bad idea. So bearing a grudge against you would be doubly so) -->Suicidal Tendencie 22:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You don't know what a purple heart is
Get some edumacations, plzkthnk.--Łô√ë îğá†ħŕášħ 22:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Or maybe it's because it's something that does not feature for people of my nationality? -->Suicidal Tendencie 23:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You have no information listed THEREFORE: You are:  WHITE, MALE, LIVE IN THE US or UK, 16, NERD.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Colors! ]]îğá†ħŕášħ  23:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You, Giga, are clearly a USAnian because you think all the world thinks like you do (or at least ought to). ;-) --◄mendel► 23:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The Cowardly Lion didn't know what a purple heart was either, but the Wizard still gave him one. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the Wizard was an old bald man that fooled a bunch of midgets. And Mendel:  You're just jealous I'm right.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Colors! ]]îğá†ħŕášħ  00:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

One Year War
thanks for the touch-ups! (-: -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 19:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Any time :-) -->Suicidal Tendencie 19:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ignore this plz
Tes- er... fail No. 1 --> 21:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha! -->&#91;Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg&#93; 21:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Raw signatures :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  21:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh? No... I want them to link there... it's just getting the damn thing to appear is the hard part >< -->Suicidal Tendencie
 * I wonder -->[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg] 21:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No... raw makes it worse, at least it worked as a link before, now it's a complete flop -->Suicidal Tendencie


 * Use 2 brackets. also: If you want an image to "link" to a page, you have to edit the image's page, and add #REDIRECT pagename . --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  21:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * NOOOOO thanx for helping but... I can probably find the image page... er... screw it I'll go back to just my name. -->wiki noob
 * Aha! -->&#91;&#91;Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg&#124;thumb&#93;&#93; 22:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Please... I beg you... work... -->[[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

(RI) Great, after all that... it's a crap picture. No fair. --> 22:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * a bit too big though. GW:SIGN says max 50x19, yours is 50x23 &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by GW-Viruzzz (contribs) I enjoyed that -->Suicidal Tendencie
 * Also: "Signature must show their user name or by other means make clear the user name." This image on its own does not do that, unfortunately.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, 1 was that the old one or this one is too big? 2, I'll try er... something... -->[[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * One more thing here - for your username link, you can just use the wiki-link  instead of the full URL.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanx but... would you prefer that I do? Or is it policy or something? Because I got it working now so don't particularly feel like biting off more than I can chew (again) without a reason for doing so (you wanting me to, it being policy, whatever, counts, but if you don't care and are just letting me know, thanx, but I'm too much of a wiki noob :D) -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 23:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
for the edit frenzy... scary thing is, I did use the Show Preview button a lot. Ishy (can I call you that?) is this okay now? :S -->Suicidal Tendencie 22:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yay! I think I actually managed this very simple task! And now, to celebrate... can I get in trouble for spamming on my own talk page? (If not: SPAM SPAM SPAM) -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No! Shut up, don't get them started-- oh, bugger.
 * Vikings (singing):
 * SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
 * SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
 * SPAMMITY SPAM! SPAMMITY SPAM!
 * SPAM! &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm... I learned a hard lesson from Entropy... I don't see myself following that link tbh -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's Monty Python. Follow it.  Watch it.  Live it.    &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Monty Python? I guess you've never seen this then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python If you saw the wiki page you wouldn't be such a fan. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Good try, but real Wikpedia links show up like this, without the "external link" icon, so it was obvious that your link was fake. :P &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * *Unfailingly optimistic* but you still looked at it? :D -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 23:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Yes, I realize the answer is no :P
 * I moused over the link to see where it was actually pointing, and I know about that site. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * About it? Not good enough, live life to the full, and go experience it first hand :D -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 23:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

WoW
NOOOOOOO!!!!! Don't leave us! But seriously, WoW's crap. A friend of mine traded in GW for WoW, and wanted me to try it out too, so I played the 10 day trail. I got bored after 4 days, playing about 1 hour each day. The main part I dislike about it is that there's no actual storyline. Yeah, there are some quests with storylines, but not a main storyline like in GW, that actually urges you to play on and makes it more interresting. In WoW it's like: do all quests in this region, try to find the next region, do all quests there, etc. It's possible ofcourse that in later stages it's not like that anymore, but that's what I experienced in the trial. So before you actually buy it, play the trail and then decide wether it's worth the crapload of monthly money. (although I do like the names ^.^)--El_Nazgir 07:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Thanx for the comment about the names :D Thinking of actually naming the Druid Izzy Goes Ursan, though.
 * 2) You have to understand... people post those annoying userboxs about things like playing 1.2 hours a day (as though someone cares... 1.2 hours a day is NOT a big deal ffs). I've played more than 3.9k hours in 20 months, and frankly am scared to work out my average a day.
 * 3) Also, most of my RL friends do play WoW... so that's another incentive, atm, I've spent the last 3 weeks blowing 700k on God Walking characters, before inevitably deciding to do it on a different primary profession. Frankly I'm too bored to spend much time on any one profession now, and all I want from the game is a God Walking to have something to show for 4k hours.
 * 4) Thanx :D I do also appreciate the "don't leave us" bit, even if it was a joke, always nice to feel wanted :-) -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 14:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, seeing as the rest of the entire post was trying to persuade you to stay, I don't think the "Don't leave us" part was a joke. The part of it not being serious was just the over-dramaticness :-) --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png]]El_Nazgir 08:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanx... I'll give Ranger another shot... if that's not as fun as I'm hoping... then I'll probably give it up though. Thanx again :-) -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 11:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There are some crazy ranger builds out there. If you get bored of playing sensibly you can always try one of the funny damage builds.
 * Getting just over +70 bonus damage per shot with each of the first two skills, +65 on the third. Gimmick damage is fun. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  12:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Mind me asking why Dual Shot not Triple Shot? -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 13:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Triple shot if you've got it, but Dual's easier to get and doesn't need a title. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  13:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm r8 (slowly and not so surely working on r9) Luxon, so I can always AB a little to get the skill, thanx for the build btw :-)
 * I'm also thinking of a R/A build, with Death's Charge, an IAS, BHA, Ebon Escape and whatever else I think of when actually sticking it together... tho this might not be viable in PvE, if not I'll use Death's Retreat instead and try it in AB or whatever. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 14:12, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Friendly
I'm lucky. Although the only picture I uploaded is a not-so-pleasant-looking-Necro, I have a nice friendly name, with a nice smilie after it, to help make me look like a pleasant person. -->Suicidal Tendencie 14:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Quick note about signature
Like hi. I noticed from the Signature Gallery on GW:SIGN's talk page that you're using

as your signature. You don't need to "hard" link to your user page, an interwiki link would save a little bit of space:

Comparision:
 * Current-Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]]
 * Altern.- Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]]

It's not really a big deal though. 14:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey
 * One question. I notice you use User Suicidal Tendencie not User Suicidal Tendencie ... my understand of wiki know-what is exceptionally limited... is there a reason for this? -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Because User:Suicidal Tendencie and User:Suicidal Tendencie become User:Suicidal Tendencie and Suicidal Tendencie respectively. Note the lack of a User: prefix? :)
 * You can also use Monkeypoo, but that'd produce Monkeypoo, and I don't think you'd want your sig to read Monkeypoo, esp since people will probably call you that (And it'd violate GW:SIGN :P ) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hm... well... if you're dropping me hints... whatever you say, Monkeypoo -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Fyi, that link goes to your userpage <3 --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I noted, that's where Monkeypoo is, but I figure the reason you really brought it up, is because you have a secret longing to be called Monkeypoo, Monkeypoo -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Disregarding Monkeypoo, the | character is called a pipe, and placing it with no second field after an interwiki link will remove the prefix. This is commonly referred to as the "pipe trick." It also works with Wikipedia links, so Rick Astley becomes Rick Astley. 208.44.247.101 18:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Also works with suffixes like (mission) --> Gate of Pain --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  19:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What? Disregard Monkeypoo? How dare you! -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I did it Felix (though not exactly sure of the point... surely that would have a minimal impact on loading time...) -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Felix screwed over; Suicidual_Tendencie_Sig.jpg rather than Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg :P I fixed it above; can't edit your prefs tho; go go fix it --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  22:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, I'll never understand you and Mendel... a bot wouldn't keep up with you. I'll go hunt it down and fix it, thanx Viper :-) -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidual_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The point is not so much to improve loading time; short signature code improves readability for people who read pages by the diff or want to find things in edit view. -- ◄mendel► 00:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh right, well, as I stated above, I've done it (I think, lol) and thanx for explaining things once again -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 09:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Ranger build
Don't tell me it's an elite + 5 PvE only, I know, it's early development atm -->Suicidal Tendencie 22:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For your "One Arrow. One Kill" build, you could swap Dodge This! for Signet of Infection to cap degen on a single target and spread some around to others as well. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanx, but I'm rather fond of the skill on Rangers tbh. However, it's all academic, as I've not changed. Paragon is the flavour of the... hour. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

My signature Paragon build- Judge & Awe
For RA/TA, take Resurrection Signet. For AB, take "Lead the Way!" 17:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I always take Stunning Strike over SoJ/Awe/Cast Sig (one downside is it's blockable). Still, dual daze is very lolsome <3 --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanx for the build! :D Also, I love how Swipe is hitting a Paragon... think that's Ancient armor, but dunno... -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's because Paragons often have close-range swiping duels. 208.44.247.101 20:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

userbox
Try. That makes it easier for everyone to use your box and receive updates when you decide to change it. -- ◄mendel► 16:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanx Mendel :-) I realize it's "/mendel userbox" but that makes it look like I'm getting the credit for it... -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Opinions on One Arrow One Kill plz
I mean the build on my page, not the quote from Sniper Support, thanx -->Suicidal Tendencie 16:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Why EVSS, FW and PTS? "DT!" is also rather meh, imo. Needling shot is also mediocre without sufficient +raw dmg buffs.


 * Drunken Master over Flail if you like booze, also opens up for Conjures that way. Lasts slots; "IATS!", "YMLaD!", res, EBSoH.. That's what I would do, probably :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Expertise is not an attribute you're likely to have a huge amount in(which hinders GA as an elite)... and bleeding as an elite skill? Err.. EVSS does Bleeding, and does not use an elite skill slot, and has a small chance to nuke an unsuspecting enemy, PTS you can use to help max degen, before the battle even starts, "DT!" is free (no energy cost, activated instantly...) again with FW, you use it before the battle starts for a constant, albeit minor, buff on every attack. The idea is as much armor ignoring damage as possible, while using degen to really give 1 target a fair bit of hassle -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, Glass Arrows gives bonus damage, iirc the highest of a preparation. So, if you're going for a single target spike, Glass Arrows x3, EBSoH x3, weakened arrows x3, Asuran Scan, maybe Conjure x3. That's pretty good, imo. --JonTheMon 17:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Spec 14 marks, 14 expertise, burning arrow, hunters shot, various +damage things blabla. Ups rawrbuild. Lord of all tyria 17:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC)Yes, it does extra damage. That being the only reason I'd bother to mention it being an Expertise skill. And the fact that it's the highest extra damage for a preparation doesn't matter, it's certainly not the most powerful elite skill in the game. I'd put more focus on my only elite skill than my only preparation.
 * I didn't say that the combination isn't good, so like the rest of your message, I'm not following you there. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose I was thinking that the goal of your build was to spike down a single target. If so, needling shot and burning arrow aren't what I would have picked. I'd go with as many packets of damage at once as possible, and triple shot helps a lot with that. And if you aren't going with Expertise, what are you dumping your points into besides Marks? --JonTheMon 17:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 63 armor ignoring damage + damage from attacking + "DT!" (25%) isn't really that bad imo. Evidentally the name of the build was lost on you, lol :-) No the name's not more important than the effectiveness of a build, just making an observation. And they're the skills that I picked, and currently, I still do. Some rather nasty degen, a fair amount of armor ignoring damage, a 10% to really hit a target where it hurts... doesn't sound that bad to me. Needling serves as an IAS as far as I know (tested it but was tired at the time), so "DT!" triggers more often, and again, armor ignoring damage. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * "Expertise is not an attribute you're likely to have a huge amount in" What?! That's probably the weirdest thing I've heard in days. Expertise is the sole reason to be a Ranger! It makes almost everything spammable, because it reduces energy cost efficiently. Besides, if you don't take Exp; what else would you take?
 * I dislike FW because of it's huge activation time, and buffs the opponents too (AI is already great with Savage Shot; FW makes em that much better because it now instantly hits the target.. o-o).
 * Also, the most armor ignoring damage with a Ranger would be Conjure, Asuran, "BUH!", Triple Shot, Glass Arrows (well, that would at least surpass BA by a long shot). PBS and ZS also have a good amount of armor ignoring damage, and can be spammed like crazy (lolExpertise and lolRecharge).
 * Degen is easilier spread with Incendiary Arrows since it's buff. Take Apply and IA, done. Everything is capped out on degen. But in the end, degen is not strong in PvE.
 * Use Flail as an IAS, not Needling. Needling makes your damage go BEOOOOOWWWW down the drain because it's rather pathetic, and your energy starts leaking after getting someone down with it. Besides, you're not using a Stance, nor do you have a secondary yet.. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, in place of degen i'm trying to get lots of extra damage. Let's say you have 14 marks, 10 expertise, 10 fire magic.
 * Just that there will get you (15+15+9) * 3 = 117 bonus damage, but no degen and is based on triple shot. However, dual shot would be a second skill to bring along. And you still have room for EVSS and Strongest (which would also stack onto the spike). --JonTheMon 18:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC)No I don't use Expertise much, so what? In builds like the One Arrow. One Kill. I do, because it only requires the one attribute. But I generally don't go near it that much.
 * And SERIOUSLY you dislike a skill because of it's ACTIVATION time when you cast it BEFORE aggro? Eh... okay...
 * "BUH!" is hard to keep up unless you don't use it for a while. As for PBS and ZS, I don't generally stand right beside enemy Warriors / Assassins / Dervish on my Ranger, I back up a bit more.
 * IA sorta kills the idea of focusing on one enemy, and it doesn't maintain Burning.
 * Needling's not pathetic, if it's not your kind of skill, fine, but lay off a bit more imo. PTS, "IATS!", FW, RTW and "DT!" do affect it you know.
 * I realize Rangers aren't exactly squishies, but I do try to avoid taking more damage than necessary, so I don't close in for skills like PBS and I don't slow myself down.
 * Degen isn't that bad you know, and I disagree, it's much better in PvE than in PvP where people invariably have a way to shift it.
 * Yeah it's an okay build, it does around the same damage my build does (I think, very roughly trying to factor in the degen + the recharge of Triple and Double).
 * And lolz... so much for opinions on the build I was talking about :P -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 18:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait... +9? How's that work? FW is +6 not +9 o_O -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 18:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Crap, was reading the spirit level. Uh... that'd still be like 108. --JonTheMon 18:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Crap, was reading the spirit level. Uh... that'd still be like 108. --JonTheMon 18:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I left my opinion very concise and elaborated on what I find much more proficient (I usually forget to make it an opinion though, which makes my comments look very rude usually/most of the time. Sorry :.
 * Note that I have additional reasons beyond that, too. And yes, I dislike it for that. Standing still for almost 6 seconds right in front of some guys which you could've blown up already is meh :P
 * BUH/IA: True. Bit more on IA though: Why would you focus degen on one target if you can on multiple?
 * PBS/ZS/Flail: Warriors, Sins and Dervs will always be very close by unless you aggro, let your heroes/henches stand where they are and you walk back again. Do you? o-o"" Flail lasts so short you're not often disadvantaged by it. Besides, if you just walk up to them a bit more you don't have to move at all, generally.
 * So anyways, Needling is rather pathetic because it generally lowers your damage, without actually helping a lot, since IAS is better when it affects every attack.
 * In PvE degen is rather meh because you might as well just tear 'em down with those 8 skill slots. Anything can dish out a crapload of damage, so why bother slowly killing them? Although degen can be quite fun if you take Fevered and some Sin spamming Seeping Wound like a maniac... But good luck with getting that together, lawls. I did make a page for it, though, because most PvE mobs either straightout heal or just suck :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think I have ever seen you be insulting or been offended by a comment you have made.
 * I don't get your second point at all.
 * I'm not saying that killing one foe instead of killing three foes is being clever. Merely that the idea of the build in question, is in fact "sniping" a single foe.
 * Warriors, Sins and Dervs will always be very close by unless you aggro...er... huh? You mean they'll always be close unless not aggroed at all? I think there was a mistake here, and don't really understand this point at this time.
 * On Needling, I think we will have to agree to disagree, I favor armor ignoring damage, sometimes even if that does lower the damage dealt (to a point) because it's more reliable.
 * And... slowly killing them? Er, wha? You use PTS before aggro, Burning Arrow doesn't slow down your attack speed... it doesn't slow it down. Degen keeps eating at foes (unless removed) and does damage while you keep going at them, too. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And why is it not +18 Jon? -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Any day now Gimme will pop in to help me defend Needling Shot... any day now... -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

OG Edit
This one. That combo doesn't work since OG isn't Elemental damage, and thus won't trigger WoWeaks Weakness. I tested it just a minute ago to not be wrong for a change :P --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  21:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, okay, I'll change it to make the point clearer. It's not wrong, you're just not creative enough atm tbh -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy now? Yeah, I know, I totally fluffed it the first time ¬_¬ It's your call, I won't rant or get annoyed or anything if you choose just to revert it. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The point with that is, that would 1) eat your secondary, 2) more attribs, 3) require frontlining (WoWeakness is "PBAoE"). --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  21:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Much easier combo: Enfeebling Blood. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * (EC)I probably should have gone with a PBAoE skill, but I was looking for skills with pulses which would keep the condition going. As I said, I was trying to be helpful and I've been watching it go down hill. If you want to revert, I honestly don't mind. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Somewhat desperate for my attempt at being helpful to not totally fail, for Elementalists instead of Necros... Earth Magic, Blood Magic, Energy Storage > Earth Magic, Blood Magic, Curses. -->Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:32, 3 February 2009 (UTC)