GuildWiki talk:We are not ArenaNet/Archive 1

This does not touch the issue of deleting article history, which as LordBiro pointed out violates our own license agreement. --Karlos 08:56, 14 September 2006 (CDT)


 * Deleting the entire history and recreating, as was done with Talk:Guild Wars Nightfall, is a possible violation of the "by" portion of "by-nc-sa". Only the history from the leak and beyond should have been wiped. (This can still be fixed by restoring all revisions up to the leak, then all revisions from the recreated page and beyond.) However, deleting specific edits that leak information protected by NDAs is just good sense. As was pointed out in that guru thread, there have been instances where prosecution was brought against persons not under an NDA simply because they were serving as a medium for a leak. Why should the wiki risk prosecution? (Not that I think NC Interactive would be stupid enough to bring a lawsuit against their biggest fansite.) 199.77.130.14 09:03, 14 September 2006 (CDT)


 * There are levels for how that should have been handled:
 * a) A comment like "Skill X is rumored to be getting stronger" is not even worth talking about.
 * b) Serious leaks warrant that contact be made with ANet first. I would WANT them to ASK us to remove it. It maybe they don't care. I would not go about removing parts of an article history for any lesser reason than that.
 * c) Such an act in and of itself does not constitute an act punishable by banning. However, if the user is told that such content is unwelcome and he keeps posting it, then he is in trouble.
 * --Karlos 09:07, 14 September 2006 (CDT)


 * That's an alarmingly common-sense approach - keep up talk like that and we'll have to drop all the polemic and side taking, and then where shall we be? However, for what it's worth I completely agree with 199.77 - keep as much of the wiki and its history intact as is humanly possible, but leaks from closed alpha/beta/whatever tests are not something that should be hosted or linked to from here. I don't see why "we" shouldn't take it upon ourselves to remove NDA protected content, but if other users would prefer somebody to contact ANet first (as Karlos suggests) I don't see why that couldn't work, so long as ANet are contacted as quickly as is humanly possible. --NieA7 09:11, 14 September 2006 (CDT)


 * The reason is that the precedents in which history deletion was used were BAD precedents. The posting of gossip and rumors is NOT forbidden in talk pages. On the contrary, I WANT to see such rumor and gossip and I frankly don't care if it's based on an actual leak or not. --Karlos 09:16, 14 September 2006 (CDT)


 * You may not care but that's beside the point from ANet's point of view - if it weren't for ANet et al we wouldn't have Guild Wars anyway so I'm always inclined towards them rather than the players (many of whom seem to have nothing better to do than slag ANet off in the first place - some of the comments people make when skills are changed are beyond belief). The trouble is for those not in the know it's impossible to tell the difference between a leak and a rumour, which is another point in favour of contacting ANet first and contacting them about anything that smells like a leak (at least that way the onus shifts onto them to determine what is covered by an NDA and what is now). If that was the policy that was adopted though it would require very careful monitoring on "our" part (I put these things in speech marks as I have no intention of becoming one of these monitors). --NieA7 09:22, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

The histories of Talk:Guild Wars Nightfall and Talk:Elona should be restored, except for the edits that contained the "leaked" maps. There is no justification for wiping the entire history of a page such as Talk:Elona with a long history full of important precedent-setting discussions. 65.111.168.40 10:08, 14 September 2006 (CDT)


 * I was thinking about starting this myself, and then I noticed it was already here. It's a really good document Karlos, I can't think of anything to change at the moment. Good work :)


 * To NieA7 and 65.111.168.40, I don't feel there is ever an excuse for deleting history, not unless ArenaNet ask for it, and even then only if we as a wiki deem it a reasonable request. I'm not saying this is the admin's decision or anything, I don't want anything removed from the site indefinitely unless the wiki is ok with it.


 * Equally I think contributors should be able to discuss rumour freely, as long as it doesn't spill over into articles.  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 17:25, 16 September 2006 (CDT)