User talk:Dirael/Mafia2/8

Brains died? NOWAI! &mdash; Warw/Wick 20:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're still asleep! --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * yarly. --Shadowcrest  20:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Lynch
Brains' Brains. --- -- (s)talkpage 20:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * All twelve of them. -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Why is it the second somebody is brought up here they respond, even if they don't live here like a bunch of us? 0.0 --Shadowcrest  20:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I check my watchlist every so often, and the Mafia page was up. If something mentions me, I'm likely to respond. -- Brains12 \ Talk 20:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My doublevote would suuure come in handy right about now, wouldn't it ;) -- Brains12 \ Talk 19:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright, first things first
I'd like an answer on the following question from yesterday: ''   Vael- Shadow steps in/out every other night. When he is out of the camp he is untargetable by the mafia, doctor, etc. He will be in the first night, out the second, and so on. The mafia could know that Entrea was shadowstepping and try to fool us by targeting Entrea. --Image:OrgXSignature.jpg 21:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Entrea was also way too quick on deciding whom to lynch and immediatly jumped on the nearest bandwagon. --Image:OrgXSignature.jpg 21:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure mafia can't attack themselves for exactly that reason. And anyway, you haven't even tried to defend yourself, all you've done is try and get people to lynch me. At least give us some reason we should kill Warwick instead of you.Entrea SumataeEntrea Sumatae [Talk] 22:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh, where does it say mafia can't attack themselves? --Image:OrgXSignature.jpg 08:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

'' Any ideas? -- 20:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You should pagebreak less imo. :P  --Shadowcrest  20:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm lazy, sue me. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll sue ya, for not doing a thing, I'll sue ya, take all ya money. (Weird 'Al ftw) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're drifting from the point. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry :( Anyways, I'd like to ask Shadow to answer the question "Can Mafia attack themselves?" --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Im already dead afaik.. :( &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, they can't. --Shadowcrest 20:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * So that clears Entrea of all suspicion then. --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage 21:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There goes my suspect... sigh... --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:07, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Man, was I wrong about that, sorry Entrea. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's OK, I'd be suspicious of me too.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  21:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The shadowcrest bandwagon
Lynch Shadowcrest. Misfate 22:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You should triple vote. Lord Belar 23:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * He can't, he used it already. Cress Arvein(Talk) 01:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

He's making a list, checkin' it twice, trying to find who's mafia or townie...
I made a list, and I looked through the days, Jioruji Derako is the only one who hasn't voted for a mafia to be lynched, or has proof that he's innocent. As mentioned before he used a similar defense to Jedi's. Therefore, I say LYNCH JIO! Thoughtful 00:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Day late, dollar short". Misfate  01:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh, bandwagons are good, lynch Jio. Lord Belar 01:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * * Jumps on the bandwagon and votes lynch Jioruji* Cress Arvein(Talk) 01:22, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * kk, Lynch Jio ...btw, who are the innocents? at least, most likely innocent? --Varon Searer 01:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My proof is the fact that I'm still here. Can the Mafia end days? No. Can the Mafia end nights? No, they can't. Only an inventor item or some magical hidden role that doesn't exist can do that. Which one do you think I am?
 * I would have expected people to work that out on their own, but I guess I was expecting too much. I'm not allowed to role-claim, and I won't attempt to do so. But it's really not hard to figure out; either I'm the inventor, or someone else is, and had good reason for protecting me. (It's not uncommon for the inventor to get some cop-like items, and the day/night-enders were around in the last game.) I'd like to think that's enough to make me at least a little trustworthy.
 * Entrea's Vael, Thoughtful already died, Brains was innocent and now he's dead. And I'm possibly inventor, or the inventor knows I'm a townie. There's a Twin out there somewhere too, and it's presumably not one of the already dead people, or they would have been resurrected. I still suspect OrgX; majority went for Warwick before, but if anyone noticed, Org was my first target. I can understand him being suspicious of Entrea as a possible Mafia Vael, but the chances of that were already so small, I can't understand why he'd want to risk lynching just to find out. Org was also one of the last ones to lynch vote me on day 6 (Mafia rule, never be the first one to cast a lynch vote for a townie, so it's more common to see Mafia casting later votes). I'm voting to lynch OrgX; I still have no proof whatsoever aside from what I posted, but let's be fair, none of you have proof either. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  02:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Same tricks as Jedi, BRUTAL MIND-WASHING! Next Jio is going to say he's drunk . Misfate  02:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Jedi's proof was her condition, my proof is my lack of one. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  02:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Misfate thinks your the Mursaat, but obviously the inventor thinks otherwise. I'm pretty sure the Mafia boss shows as Mafia to cops in this game, so I'm pretty sure we don't have any proof on you yet. I'm gonna have to say Lynch Org for the same reason as yesterday: no reason at all. It's just someone to lynch, and Jio obviously has someone of power on his side, so lynching him is a little impulsive right now.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  03:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't really know much about the inventor so I simply think you may have gotten lucky with them...unless you were one. I really don't have much on you though, so ima have to go to No lynch . And we still have several people who have been almost completely ignored, like lord belar, progger, and cress. so yeaaa --Varon Searer 03:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I just realized, mafia could've voted for mafia people when it was obvious that person was going to be lynched. However, there's something about how personality changes when your mafia that makes me think Jio. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 04:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think Jio is mafia. But neither do I think that Orgx is and not lynching is pretty pointless. Might as well lynch Belar for no obvious reason. --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage 11:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lynch Progger because I say so &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You are dead. --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage 11:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to say, Jio sounds rather convincing, somewhat too convincing. Guess I'll wait for further evidence. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 11:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know; I'm "pulling a misfate". ^_^ &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "6 is a majority". So, if we have 6 different Lynchvotes, theres a majority? Lynch Cress with no apparent reason besides the earlier mentioned majoritything. Jio seems innocent. Or he Inventor just randomly targetted (hey, that's how I killed Jio when I was the inventor a few games back... Oh, and I protected Isk with the tripwirething). --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 13:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * no, you need 6 for the same person (or no lynch) to constitute a majority, sorry viper :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  13:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lynch cress for being silent and solely bandwagoning (only the first wagons were headed in the right direction). --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 14:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright then... Lynch Cress I guess --Varon Searer 14:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No more lynching townies. change orgx's vote to lynch Jioruji. I might change it if we find new evidence. Cress Arvein(Talk) 15:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Blah...k, well you could still be mafia but whatever... Lynch Progger --Varon Searer 15:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nooo! Lynch Jio! Progger is mafia, but Jio is Mafia Leader! &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Aghhh.....damn talking ghosts --Varon Searer 15:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You're a roleblocker so you know squat. Requesting Warwick's immediate removal from the game due to out of game talk. She's been talking to Viper and me insinuating stuff and we all know how that ends. For all I know she's talking to everyone and not just me. --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage 15:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I said Lynch Jio then I said Lynch Progger, then i said both of you were Mafia. I knoes squat. So what? Pulling a Misfate ftw. and Nope, I dont actually have anyone other than your ings. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Or so you say. Just stop talking to people IG about mafia alright, damnit. --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage 15:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * And the Mafia game you host has absolutely no hints towards all the IGNs. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 15:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ehwhat? 15:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

And I heard something
About resetting the indent -- -- talkpage 15:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Fail.
I hrd we shud lynch shadowcrest. Misfate on prawxy 209.160.28.45
 * I heard misfate can't spell "proxy"[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I herd entrea can't spell herd. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 00:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I heard Shadowcrest can't use proper grammar. Herd &ne; Heard. "Herd" refers to a group of animals, especially cattle. "Heard" refers to hearing, as in noises.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I herd entrea phails to understand purposefully misinterprets sarcasm. I also herd that's a sullpong error, not a grama error. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  00:42, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Know, thatch a grandma era.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well tbh it depends on how you interpret it. You could either say it's a misuse of a homonym (I think it's a homonym), or you could call it a typo. So bleh. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  00:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I heard millions of people's brains exploded from these edits. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 00:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I call it slang.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I call it propur engrish. Misfate not on a prawxy 01:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't look at it as if there's someone right. You're all wrong; It's fail. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 14:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

(RI)''No, it's phail. Soo....'' Misfate nawt awn prawkcee 16:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

so i herd
that you all the living players need to create a majority, I'm bored xD --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  16:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me "pull a misfate" with warwick then XD. Misfate nawt awn prawkcee 16:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm dead, nubcake &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Misunderstood me. Lynch Jio prz guyz. 2 more till he dies. Misfate nawt awn prawkcee 16:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I still say we should lynch progger.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I say we lynch shadowcrest. Misfate nawt awn prawkcee 16:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I say you both need to stop attempting to bandwagons :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 17:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Lets bandwagon OrgY. Lynch org --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 17:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Really now, another bandwagon, let's jump on it people. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 18:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There's not much more to do, is there? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 18:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well... you could lynch yourself. :P --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 18:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * And that would accomplish...? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 20:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Suicide. That's what. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 20:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's something else he could do. ;) --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Is that even allowed? (reminds me of goldenmama in an earlier game) --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage 20:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If viper wants to start a bandwagon against himself he's welcome to :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * So, make a choice people: Org, Jio or me. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 20:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

So what happens...
If we don't decide by the end of the day phase? Thoughtful 20:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Then every lynchvote would be executed? Nah, then it would end in No Lynch, AND no Lunch. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 20:36, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Really long comment that lists off everything we already know

 * Alright, the innocent list is getting bigger. Thoughtful = Twin, Entrea = Vael, Cress = Noble... presumably myself as Inventor. (this is all assuming that the roles aren't Mafia as well, but I'm willing to take that risk.)
 * I'll switch my vote to make majority if I have to, but only if it's someone I actually believe might be Mafia. I already suspect Org, of course; Belar is another one, I can't place why, he just doesn't seem to have done anything townie-like yet. Progger's another silent number in the crowd, so I'm suspicious of him as well of course, but not too much. Viper's another unknown, but he's been contributing a little more, so it's a little less scary. One of the guys here is Thoughtful's twin as well; generally speaking, we won't know this for a little while yet, they wouldn't want to reveal themselves to early (better to make themselves a mafia target, to waste one of the Mafia's night kills). Of course, we don't want to lynch them either, as that would be a waste of a lynch, but worse come to worse, Thoughtful can tell us not to lynch. Varon's been quiet as well, only just got active today from what I can see. RT's also been quiet; so quiet, I keep forgetting he's here.
 * Assuming that there's no more then five Mafia members, then there's two left; Muursat, and the Janitor. At the very least, we outnumber them (known townies / mafia). Mafia kills from now on will most likely be on known innocents, so if the Monk's still alive, we need them to work double-time here. Hopefully we kill off at least one more Mafia before they get too many kills.
 * If the Burning Titan uses their ability, will we know about it? I mean, if they use it and miss, will we know about it. We could narrow things down even further if we knew about that one. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  20:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A. How do you know I'm a twin? B. Since your acting more Jedi-townie like than Jedi-Mafia like, I'll switch to Lynch OrgX. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 21:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There might be other rezzes in the game... Idk. We'll see in the end. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 21:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You're assuming too much Jio, you sound like you're trying to make yourself look less suspicious. We only know that Entrea is townie. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although Jio, assuming you are the inventor, you'd know if I was rezzed or not, and since you seem the most doubtful, you've cleared your name IMO. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 21:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thoughtful was killed at night and rezzed. 2+2=4, yes? :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "this is all assuming that the roles aren't Mafia as well, but I'm willing to take that risk." Yeah, he knows it;s not for sure they are Townie. I assume pretty much thesame, tbh. Wouldn't be weird if that'd be so. Also, everyones trying to notlook suspicious (except Golden). --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 21:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about quietness, I am still here, I just havn't got into a rota, i'll try to be more active <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  21:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * By that logic Org, Thoughtful's a proven townie too; he died at night, and Mafia can't attack themselves, remember? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  21:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I beat you to that jio :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  21:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well you know why I'm not all that active. Been doing other stuff, GW, RL, not on the wiki 24/7. Ah well I've already explained that. --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage 21:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW Shadow, 2+2 can be anything from 3-5 [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 21:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That would leave 2 possible mafia's, right? Or, neither are and Jio is trying to look good. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 21:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Some people try to look good, and actually do so. And others just miserably fail and get lynched at the nearest tree. Needs moar bandwagon --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 21:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Now you sound like a cop --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage 21:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm assuming there's two Mafia left because night kills aren't being revealed, so the Janitor's still around; and we haven't lynched any Mafia Leader yet, so presumably he/she is still around too. Unless there's six Mafia, in which case we should easily randomly lynch one. --<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  21:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * :/ well, we have to end the day sometime. lynch OrgX and make OrgX vote himself. let's see if we are right. Cress Arvein(Talk) 22:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bandwagon time. Lynch OrgX.</B> <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 22:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Kk.
''Like what Belar said when I was about to lynch Jedi, we kill Jio if OrgX turns out to be innocent. He's also the next person in line to die come with us to the Underworld.'' Misfate  22:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You're pulling a misfate tbh :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am Misfate. Misfate  23:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well you're acting like yourself. xD --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 Charr hunters? Haxx![[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * At least I don't have to feel bad about killing Isk8 now :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah...[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I sense a non-sarcastic post. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I sense having no idea what's going on...[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * When goldenmama died from a day kill, I let him kill Isk8, not remembering the rules said if killed at night. Someone suggested I change the rule, and it occured to me that that was a legal move because there was another, thought I didn't bring that up then. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh great...who's OrgX gunna pick :/...and Jio...I guess I may not be as active as I think...but I guess its cuz of school...and brawl...--Varon Searer 01:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is OrgX counting as a Mafia Charr or a townie one? [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 02:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Townie, that would be so cheap giving a Mafia an unblockable kill on any important townie they wanted.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  02:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (time paradox)Eh, I don't know anyone else to kill so: bye, bye Jio. Also, I'm totally headed for the hall of heroes. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 12:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)