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Formatting issue
For some reason, part of my profile page's formatting just stopped working (fairly recently). I use  for a few external links, and that still works fine. But I used to have the links colored as well, and for some reason now, they disappear instead of changing color. Here's the coding I'm using:
 * GWW Profile

Example:
 * GWW Profile

If you're seeing a small bit of white space under "Example", then it's not working on your end either. Now this did work like, a month ago; it still works perfectly on GuildWarsWiki and PvXWiki to boot. But for some strange reason, it doesn't work here, for me. I think it might still work in other browsers (I use Firefox), and possibly still works for other users. Is there anything different in Wikia's setup that could be possibly causing this to "malfunction" like this? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  09:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Formatting inside teh text of external links are being stripped as part of the javascript protection. The false-positives were caused by the need for a much belated response for the evolving attack methods being seen on GuildWiki, and I have not spent the time to see how I can make the net more specific without opening a hole for attacks to renew. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I see. One thing that's confusing me is, the formatting inside external links does still work, for other websites... wiki.guldwars.com doesn't work, www.pvxwiki.com does work, my personal site doesn't work, deviantART does work... is the coding particularly picky about what it does or doesn't shut down? I would think, if you're stripping formatting for external links, shouldn't that go for all external links? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  01:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The script checks if there are any sub-elements inside the external link, then check if those elements have any attributes. If so, the entire link gets removed (and if the sub-elements don't have attributes, they are considered harmless).  Does that sound about right?  If not, please paste all the links with their formatting in a bullet list so I can easily compare across them. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's see... I only half understood that, so I'll post examples instead. They're almost all different in some way, but a few of them just seem like they would both be the same...
 * - GuildWarsWiki
 * - PvXWiki
 * - VynaioccWiki
 * - deviantART
 * I would assume PvX gets through because it's a fairly normal address, but I would have thought deviantART wouldn't then, by that logic...
 * ...on this subject, there wouldn't happen to be a list of inter-wiki prefixes, would there? (talking about pvx:User:Jioruji Derako, wikipedia:User:Jioruji Derako, etc.) --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  07:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The only prefixes I know about are pvx: for pvx, wikipedia: for wikipedia articles and w: for wikia central articles RT 07:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, now THAT is weird. Let me check if it is actually the javascript I wrote that did that... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 16:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Test a:
 * - GuildWarsWiki
 * - PvXWiki
 * - VynaioccWiki
 * - deviantART
 * Test b:
 * - GuildWarsWiki
 * - PvXWiki
 * - VynaioccWiki
 * - deviantART
 * Test c:
 * - deviantART
 * - VynaioccWiki
 * - PvXWiki
 * - GuildWarsWiki
 * Ok, that's definitely a bug in my javscript )-: It's not specifically discriminating any address though, as Test c shows, it's just alternatingly skipping. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 16:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

possible copyvios
See here, here, here, here, and here. Long story short: I suspect all but the first two on Lost-Blue's page are copyvios. But since I don't know really what I'm doing, I thought I'd mention it here. --Shadowcrest 22:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

advance notice
Notice for admins and others who may be interested

In a week or so I am going to do some desysoptions of long-gone people such as User:Adam.skinner, User:William Blackstaff, etc. There is just no reason to keep them either on GW:ADMIN or the system-generated list; it is outdated/obsolete information and is slightly misleading as to the number of actual sysops we have here. Besides, if for whatever strange reason someone came back, it is simple process to give back their adminship. I don't think this is a very controversial subject, unless I am much mistaken.

On the other hand, I want to know what the public opinion is on keeping people such as User:Karlos, User:Skuld, User:Fyren, etc. on the list as well. Although these folks are also pretty much gone for good, the length of time is not nearly as much as the very old ones listed above. I also want to know if it would bother people if I removed bureaucrat status from User:Gravewit, User:LordBiro, and User:Nunix.

Don't worry - this isn't me prodding the current "inactive" or "semiactive" sysops to log more hours. :) I just want to do a little housecleaning and give a more real picture. Anyone who has contributed even remotely recently, for example User:Gem, is perfectly safe. The provision in GW:ADMIN that "administrators are appointed for life" explicitly states that under no circumstances, even inactivity, will sysoption be removed. However, when you really look at the realities, the times have changed. The idea behind that provision was to ensure more legitimacy and less worrying about "reelections". But I think we almost all can agree by this point that we have a pretty good idea of what a sysop can and can't do, we seem to agree on RfA's about the various good and bad things that need to be taken into account, and we never take away an adminship except for resignations (1) or incredible circumstances (1).

In short: this is not about forcing you to log on more! This amendment only concerns those users who we can 99.9% say are never returning. (T/C) 14:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright. Just put some Historical Monument of Dinosaur Guild Wiki Admins somewhere, respect for the dead and such. May be a burial ceremony too. lol but you get the point, right?[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 16:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Administrators are appointed for life. No amount of inactivity can result in an administrator losing his position." RT  | Talk</B>  16:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * She brought that up in her comment... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 16:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I agree with that <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  16:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I am of the opinion that the ones still active in the Guild Wars community should have their sysop/bcrat flags be kept, even if we feel there's little chance of them returning. I am fine with amending away the "sysops are appointed for life", but I feel if any old sysops have their flags taken away from them, we should proactively leave them a talkpage message letting them know they can have it back anytime they want, just let us know (so that effectively, the old ones can still have sysop status for life if they choose to). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with the idea that Sysop status is earned for life, but that doesn't mean thay have to be Sysops for life. Perhaps keep inactive Sysops on the admin list (they're already listed as inactive there), but remove them from the user group. If a inactive Sysop comes back and feels the need for Sysop tools, it's simple enough to make a few clicks and pop them back up to their original glory.
 * If someone's totally inactive, there's no need for Sysop powers. And someone going through the system-generated list in hopes of finding an Admin will just get confused at which one's actually active. Consider the Sysop powers being "turned off"; they're still there, they're just not "on" yet. And like mentioned before, it's really easy for someone to say "hey, I'm still using that" and have their powers back. So long as it's completely clear that a previous Sysop can always get their status back, then it doesn't matter what we do with them now. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  08:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see no problem with prying sysop status from the cold dead hands of those long-forgotten users, none of whom I've ever talked to or care about. I also see no problem with removing bureaucrat status from Gravewit or Nunix, although I feel LordBiro's should be retained, since he can actually be contacted in case of a dire emergency. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 09:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see no issues arising with this, especially if the users are notified they can retain their sysops powers if they send entropy a message. LordBiro can retain his bureaucrat status, though I believe Wikia can appoint a bureaucrat if Entropy suddenly dies :P  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed with everything else, but let Biro stay as bureaucrat. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 22:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually asked Gravewit to pass on my request to be desysopped everywhere after the Wikia move was done, but it never actually happened. Another request was to change the editing lock message on NeverWiki, not that it turns out to have mattered at all. Also, debot Fyrenbot. --Fyren 09:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Update: Due to a timely discovery, I can not perform these actions for who knows how long. I need to talk to Wikia to get back some of my bureaucrat powers. >.> Aside from that, I appreciate everyone's imput and think it's all agreeable. And thank you Fyren for posting from the grave. :) (T/C) 03:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandal
User:65.92.232.122 -- Shadowphoenix  23:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not really a big deal unless they do major vandalism, they aren't worthy to be mentioned on this page.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Try Template:Ban next time <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  11:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

floating boxes
Floating boxes like the ones here are extremely disruptive and irritating, and they remind me of the position:absolute vandalism. They also break pages here. Would it be reasonable to disallow these boxes? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 18:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Breaking it was intentional, I'll go fix that now. I agree, though. They are disruptive.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[T]  18:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Jesus, people are using those now? Yes, we should definitely not allow those, since for example the one linked to above hides the navigation links in the top right corner. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 19:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I personally don't like it, but I'm gonna officially be neutral regarding its use on the user namespace. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Annoying as all hell. If we're not going to allow advertisements like this I see no reason to let users use it - unless there's one hell of a good reason. Userspace is OK as long as it's not on a) userpage itself or b) user talk page. Since those serve special purposes, and disruption there is bad. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as navigation is not hindered to any destination/function, a user page can have anything it wants (respecting other general rules of course). The floating box in that link is covering the edit buttons and dismiss button, so it should not be allowed in its current form. -- Xeon 16:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * These are highly annoying, they should definitely not cover up controls. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 16:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I started this trend. Sorry >.< Lann's is almost alright though, surely, because it doesn't follow you down the page. My old one did. My new one's just random :p Jamster 16:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lann's one did follow you around.. Till I.. dealt.. with it.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 16:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * May pleads the Fifth :/ --Gimmethegepgun 16:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 16:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, May broke that code a few times and finally got it to stop stalking us. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   (T / C)  16:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want to completely disallow it, it can have some very useful benefits as well. But definitely, if one proves to be disruptive or hinders other uses of the page, it should be fixed. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  22:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I feel the same way about this as I do about the changing of the title of your userpage. You can do whatever you want in the content section of the page. Anything that you do to your page taht extends out of the content is inappropriate. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 03:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe if you make the margins the correct size, you can keep the floating box out of the way of the headers and tabs. I don't think it can do harm there. But if you need to scroll up and down just to reach basic parts of the page (tabs, menus, etc), then I'd consider that disruptive. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  04:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Just require all floating boxes to have a class, so one line of css can take care of them. <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 21:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Warwick
She claims she was banned, but I cannot seem to find anything in the block log that suggest she was :S. Can anyone justify that she was/was not blocked? -- Shadowphoenix  15:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Blocklog for User:Warwick. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 15:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The block log for non-sysops -- Brains12 \ Talk 15:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gem and Brains..... So this basically proves she wasnt blocked, odd why would she lie about something like that? -- Shadowphoenix  15:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, I failed with the link. No clue about why she would say something like that, especially since I don't know where she said it. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 15:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Felix_Omni -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  (T / C)  15:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * She couldn't have been blocked or autoblocked. According to the logs, no one was blocked since before her last logged in edit. She's either lying or insane. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 18:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * AGF? -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  (T / C)  18:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, may be a bug <font color="Orange">Random </B>|<font color="Black">Time</B> 18:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I assumed good faith when I checked the logs instead of assuming she was lying. I think the odds of a bug telling her she was blocked when we didn't block her right when we were talking about blocking her is really really weird. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 18:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well I'm unblocked now. I'm certain that it said that I was blocked.. :\.. What would be the point of lying about it? It'd be easy for somone to find out if I was or not.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 19:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the thing. According to all available evidence, and especially because I've only issued two blocks in my career and I'm not delusional, you were lying. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * NPA me and all, but is there anything Warw won't lie about if pushed? Jamster 19:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That is pretty much a violation. Shame on you, don't do it again. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be the first time, in fact, it's probably around the 30th time when someone is effectively blocked when no one actually blocked that somebody. Please don't jump to conclusions about ops "stealth-banning" people, or jump to conclusions about people lying about being banned. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well you see, Warwick claims that the ban summary was written by me and directly applied to her. So this wouldn't be a case of an oops-block. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

build articles
Would anyone mind horribly if I were to start manually going through the Special:Wantedpages list and modifying the links that link to those build articles to send them to the corresponding pvx articles? I'm bored and it could be entertaining for a little while. --   (T / C)  16:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if you insist. Dr Ishmael wanted to let a bot do the work, but if someone else feels so damn bored like doing something so repetitive... Go ahead imo. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 16:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * LULZ! Coding a bot for that would seem extremely complicated, imo.  And I am in the mood for something boring and repetitive at this point.  Just ate breakfast and I am just ready to lounge about for the rest of the day.  -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   (T / C)  16:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Only problem is if the build doesn't exist anymore. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  16:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I could just be cruel and remove all those old links from peoples long forgotten user pages :P -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  (T / C)  17:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Point deceased builds to the Main Page, or Special:Search :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 17:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless you want a heck of a lot of watchlists and recent changes to be spammed, leave it to a bot. -- Brains12 \ Talk 17:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't a bot do the same thing. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   (T / C)  17:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bots with, BOT STATUS, I believe, can be/are automatically hidden from RC. Jamster 17:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My God... there are 1000+ items in Special:Wantedpages. That is just insane. Second though, I'm not gunna get mixed up with that crap. lol.  That would have me pulling my hair out I think. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   (T / C)  17:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I am going to bot it, one of the tasks.. waiting for approval <font color="Blue">Random </B>| <font color="Black">Time</B>  18:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bot tasks/Builds redlinks rewrite &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 05:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Descriptions
Just how much is too much? As some of you would have obviously noticed, I've been going through and giving some descriptions to some EotN creatures that were missing out. As you would also notice, I tend to get some creative with them, sometimes being either somewhat sensationalised or slightly humourous. A recent one I did [|here] is an example of both. Powersurge deemed it too much and removed the 'funny' part. If you want to see more examples of my descriptions then basically look at all the EotN Stone Summit, Undead, Modniir and some others to see what I've done.

Now my point isn't to disagree because this wiki in general tries to be strict, straight and serious in their articles which I've repsected. However after vising another wiki, namely this | Transformers Wiki and seeing how they basicaly encourage humour in all of their articles, I was thinking why couldn't we have something to liven this place up? Look at this article and tell me that you didn't at least chuckle once (I know I lol'ed quite a lot reading that).

So really, is it alright to add some humour like what I did for the Restless Dead page or is that too much? If it is too much, I would like to know why? After all, some humour isn't that bad is it? Blue.rellik 04:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anything regarding the sexual preferences of the monster in question is unacceptable. Skill puns are annoying but fine. Crap like "it's a necromancer, in case you couldn't tell from the name. It gets beaten up by warriors" is stupid and pointless. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The B.O.T episode link takes me to a bad page. <font color="#FF44AA">♥ <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="turquoise">Mis <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="orange">fate <font color="#FF44AA">♥ 04:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Try again Blue.rellik 04:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I had fixed your link there, buuuuddy. To have text for external pages you don't need the pipe, just hit space.&mdash; Powersurge360 Melancholia  04:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * tyvm Blue.rellik 04:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Worst.Episode.Ever <font color="#FF44AA">♥ <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="turquoise">Mis <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="orange">fate <font color="#FF44AA">♥ 04:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is another another article. If you can read through that without smiling at least once then you are gay Blue.rellik 04:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)