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First Spam
Yarly. --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  20:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * First non-self spam. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 12:49, May 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * First Mursaat spam.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 14:10, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * First spam today. A_F_K_sig_2.jpg A F K When Needed 16:55, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * First spam by me. [[Image:EM Signature.jpg]] ***EAGLEMUT***   T  A  L K 19:27, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * First double-post spam.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 10:49, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * First double-post spam.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 10:49, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Wow
What the hell happened to your userpage? o.O --El_Nazgir 15:44, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I accidentally the button. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  15:51, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can't you restore it? Or something like that? Or perhaps ask wikia to restore it? --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 16:03, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * [ Wikia] is what [ destroyed] it in the first place. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 16:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * ^ I initially moved (not deleted, Naz :P ) it because the sidebar was below my page, rather than next to it. I figured it was because of one of the many, many things on my userpage, so I cleaned it out. The sidebar was still broken and I resorted to allcaps, which did just as much good as creating a pretty much blank page. I felt utterly befuddled... So I pressed the Hide button, and now it works, and the Wikia shit is gone. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  16:17, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh...--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 16:36, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts -> Peacekeepers
You have to visit the Shining Blade camp at least once before the Peacekeepers show up. That might be why you haven't seen any yet. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 21:19, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it has to do with playing D2 rather than Guild Wars :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  08:11, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Needz moar time machine to play D5 --Gimmethegepgun 08:17, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * D5's going to be an RTS. I'm positive. That, or an aerial combat sim. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  08:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * @ Ish: No you don't have to. I've never been at the shining blade camp with my Derv and she had peacekeepers. Unless it also counts whether you've been there before the camp was there, then it's possible I've been there (although I haven't got a clue where the camp is).
 * @Gimme and Viper: Well, I just hope Warcraft goes back to RTS... The storyline got raped by WoW. I'm not even sure how they can claim half of it is canon. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 12:38, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hum, when they first added the PKers, Jink and I went looking for them, but couldn't find any until after we visited the Camp. Maybe they've changed it since then.
 * @Viper: That was a unspoken assumption: "That might be why..." = "I assume you haven't been there yet because you haven't been playing GW lately." &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:09, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure nothing in WoW is canon. MAYBE stuff like Furion getting stuck in the Emerald Dream, but that's it --Gimmethegepgun 16:04, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Ish: I recall I read somewhere that your character has to finish hell's before they show up.
 * @Gimme: Illidan surviving is one of the best examples of things that cannot be canon. He got his chest sliced open, and then an entire glacier fell down on him! Yeah, I'm sure he'll survive that! Or the worst example of them all: Blackwing. Who got killed in the Warcraft II expansion's human campaign ("ooh no, he faked his death and plummeted into the sea"), which is the canon one. In which also was mentioned that Kadghar went through another portal, which was retconned in WoW, surprise surprise... --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 15:13, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

You raised more questions than you answered
15:59, 23 May 2010 Vipermagi (Talk | contribs) deleted Miniature Evenni ‎ (gay sex goes in bed. ) A F K When Needed 15:44, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was referring to the contents of the page, which was a remark about, well - you can guess Random Time  15:54, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Write the text of your article here! terry like gay anal sex --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  16:11, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the placeholder's what wikia puts in the create article on monaco, or something Random Time  16:22, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

WCIII
Well, There's Legion TD It's a fun twist on the whole TD concept. Best played with 8 players, but also perfectly playable with 2 or 4 (although it's harder because you have less allies catching your leaks). It's going out of style on Battle.net because with the latest official version they also said they were quitting and released a public version anyone can edit.--El_Nazgir 20:29, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's pretty fun :P (forgot to put that one on the list tho, so, thanks for reminding me) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  21:10, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

adding a typo?
Shouldn't you be removing them from the wiki? :P  Random  Time   12:22, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Check his edit. He was removing them. Check his edit summary, he was talking to the anon. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 12:26, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * My edit summary was a summary of what the anon added :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  12:30, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * As Arnout's birthday-headers are epic win, such are your edit summaries.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 13:24, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hah, my headers are win! Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 20:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Did GuildWiki ever have an edit-summary contest? I always thought the final match would come down to Audrey Chandler vs the Viper. &mdash;Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 22:01, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm, yeah, that would be nice. Shame Audrey doesn't contribute anymore. Iirc she went off to play WoW. I think she'd win though. It'd be close, but she's just hilarious.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 11:03, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * ^I agree. ^^Not during the time I've been here. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  14:50, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hello.
You beat Entropy. Not Skuld though. --<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 16:01, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * You so pro at wiki. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  16:11, June 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ya I kno.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 16:15, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

You didn't...
You didn't realise how far my Mursaat-fanboidom reached? And a DOG? What the hell you must be blind! :P --<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 14:43, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am blind. You never knew I had a braille screen? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  14:53, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I always thought it was a torch. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:58, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * How can you people not see it's a Mursaat!? --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 17:01, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is tiny, and the 'focus' (center) is on his bald head, between his... ears, horns, whatever (WINGS!). His eyes are thusly barely recognisable as actual eyes unless you know it's a Mursaat. Eyes are, to me, the most distinguishing feature of a face, and the mouth is not shown at all. Also, I never knew a Mursaat head from above looked like a space ship (excluding upper torso there). I liked the dog better. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:15, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

By whose definition?
Just because you do something all day, every day, day in and day out, doesn't mean it's a job. If it is, why don't we get paid to breathe? :P Besides, my contribs have fallen off in the past couple months :( Also: pot, kettle, black. At least he's not a complete failure: he knows how to troll, that's for sure. Almost makes me respect him. --Macros 17:30, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've always learnt that the definition of a job is merely "it has a benefit to society" (hence, all edits to the mainspace and related articles. Talk pages are more recreative than a benefit to society, especially in the case of trolls and the feeding thereof). This can be for just a few hours, shorter even, or something you do a life long.
 * Also, I'm too bored to not be trolled. GW:Silencethetrolls can go cry in a corner. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:57, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

asofterworld.com
Reminds me very much of Rock Paper Cynic. I thank you for adding another cynical webcomic to my collection.--<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 18:18, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks to both of you for adding 2 webcomics to my collection... and ruining the rest of my workday while I read the archives. >.> &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 18:27, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * You should also check the Rock Paper cynic songs, my personal favourites are Philosophical zombie slayer and one shell two shell. Have a nice non-work day :P --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 18:33, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you want a big archive to plow through, try (Ir)regular Webcomic. --Vipermagi 18:45, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, already heard about that one while I was ploughing through Legostar galactica (they did a few crossovers), so I didn't read through it at that time.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 19:08, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Vice versa for me; I haven't read Legostar yet, but saw the crossovers. --Vipermagi 19:10, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

monobook borked
Same thing happened to me yesterday. Are you also running Firefox with AdBlocker Plus? Check to see if you've got a rule in there to block '##.content-ads' (depends on your list subscriptions, I had it at home but not at work (dunno why I have different subscriptions, but I do)). I'm not sure why or how, but that class got added to Monobook's main content div at some point yesterday. I disabled the rule and everything works, and I'm still not seeing any ads. (Although some might show up on other sites that use a similarly-named class, but I'll deal with them when I see them.) &mdash;Dr Ishmael  16:25, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that fixed it :) --Vipermagi 16:43, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any way we can do a .css hack to remove ##.content-ads from Monobook on GuildWiki? --  Random <font color="Orange">Time  17:19, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure there's no way to remove a class from an element with CSS. We could do it with JS, though.  However, what we should really do is check Wikia's CVS (SVN?) repository to see exactly where/how this got changed, then ask them to fix it.  I don't know enough about their versioning system to check it myself, but mendel should.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:50, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or we could contact wikia with the change, and they can see what they've done. --  Random <font color="Orange">Time  17:52, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess I was trying to be nice, so we could say, "Hey, you screwed up right here, fix it," instead of, "Hey, you screwed up somewhere, go find it and then fix it." But you could just go ahead and do that.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 18:10, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with it either way. --Vipermagi 18:34, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have done, also - since to day, the edit box with WikEd enabled is showing a tiled version of all .gif images to the right of the edit window. Might well be an issue on my end. --  Random <font color="Orange">Time  19:13, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Locked Chests
It's not just the desert. We have a saying in our guild: "That locked chest will be the death of you." They've cost us so many Deep and Urgoz runs, in fact, that we've actually started not going for the chests right away. It was rather difficult to convince everyone of the merit of this idea, though. --Macros 17:43, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * But if you don't get them right away they'll vanish! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:47, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Waited to spring a pop up trap, and just as I started walking to the chest, it disappeared, just like that! I swear it was no mirage! (and not a plant either) --Vipermagi 17:51, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts -> Mamnoon Lagoon
If you start from Quarrel Falls, the henchmen are L15, although it won't make much difference - you're still skale food unless you replace Alesia with a hero or two. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 14:14, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Except to get to Quarrel Falls you either have to plow through Mamnoon, like I did, or complete two missions. Note that it wasn't really hard in the end, because Strength of Honor is overpowered (DPS +15 kthx), it was just silly to see Alesia spam healing her way through almost party wide -8 degen. But anyways, I imagine a fair number of people complete secondaries before primary quests, and Mysterious Message leads you to what is likely pretty deadly for inexperienced players. I wonder what ANet was thinking when they created an area like that.
 * Another fun fact of the Jungle: Mysterious Message leads you to Aurora Glade eventually (leads you to Quarrel Falls, and the primary quest there has no prereqs). What happened to Wilds and Bloodstone Fen? :P I wonder if people actually missed those two missions because of this? If I didn't know better, I would have skipped them on this playthrough until I figured I'd complete that one primary I took way back then... --Vipermagi 14:30, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, I wasn't thinking of it from a new-character perspective. I still remember the first time Jink and I got there - we saw the first giant group of Riders, thought, "That looks tough, but we can do it," then we got taken from behind by another giant group.  We finally dropped off the message after wiping a few times, but we avoided that area for months afterwards (got to Alari from Quarrel), until they introduced the cartographer titles.
 * Another couple in our guild actually did skip those two missions (a long time back), and they were extremely confused by the switch of hostilities after Quarrel.
 * "Why are we suddenly fighting the Mantle? Aren't they the good guys?"
 * "Well, because they killed off the Chosen."
 * "WHAAAAAAAT?????"
 * ".... Did you miss that?"
 * Yeah. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:21, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * ...Yeah. (that's pretty awesome, btw) --Vipermagi 16:29, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Jink and I... got taken from behind by another giant group."
 * I lol'd [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 16:48, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mysterious Message was always a messed up quest in my opinion. You just finished helping out the White Mantle in Divinity Coast, then suddenly Ero is asking you to leave a message with your "friends" in the Shining Blade. Wtf, when did we become friends with them?  Also, both npc's get the gender of the other npc wrong (they're both referred to as male but they have female models). Lazy Anet....  Jink  16:57, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Revert
Many thanks for reverting that strange guy, it was driving me crazy for the last hour since I couldn't revert him because of the page size. ***EAGLEMUT***  T  A  L K 09:50, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * You should ask for rollback rights, so that you can revert like that in the future --  Random <font color="Orange">Time  21:53, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * "like that"? :P Anyways, rollback doesn't require loading the page, so I guess it could help. --Vipermagi 21:56, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm might be a good idea since my internet connection really times out on most of the bigger pages. Thanks for the suggestion! [[Image:EM Signature.jpg]] ***EAGLEMUT***   T  A  L K 22:08, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * NP - go forth and roll back what needs to be rolled --  Random <font color="Orange">Time  22:11, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

GuildWiki:Administrator information
Can you still contacted in-game? Eaglemut noticed your characters page redlinks. I tried looking at your user page history whether there was some sort of comment when you removed it, but you seem to have deleted your userpage at one point ("Abuse of power", he screamed). -- ◄mendel► 19:48, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I can be contacted in game.. Theoretically. The odds of finding me online are pretty slim. The last few weeks of July were a massive burst in my playtime, clocking in at around... 15 hours or so. If you really want, you can add "Skin of Vipermagi" somewhere. --Vipermagi 20:06, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I have added the name to Administrator information for you, and noted you are not very active there. Hope you don't mind me doing so. Also, should I take your last edit as a confirmation you going for GW2? :P [[Image:EM Signature.jpg]] ***EAGLEMUT***   T  A  L K 20:56, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Greetings, Sir Eaglemut. In response to your recent addition on the Administrator information page, I would like to hereby show my gratitude. Thank you. As for your query; It is highly likely that I will play the sequel to Guild Wars, namely Guild Wars 2. However, it should be noted that my state of mind may shift over time. This short letter should not be considered binding. Yours sincerely, User:Vipermagi. http://images.wikia.com/common/releases_201008.1/skins/common/images/button_sig.png, 21:04, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I humbly apologize, for some reason I have a tendency to always talk too formally. Doh! Well, talking was always something I was terrible at. Among RL friends, I am called "The Silent Guy" coz I hardly ever speak. Note to self: Before pressing the Save Page button, read aloud whatever crap you just wrote. Like now you dolt! [[Image:EM Signature.jpg]] ***EAGLEMUT***   T  A  L K 21:43, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed the extra paragraph break on PanSola's info, well spotted. R.Phalange's info isn't broken, "resigned" is meant to make the entry not appear. Apparently in earlier times, sysops used to resign and return later? ;) -- ◄mendel► 00:02, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really, GWiki just sucked at demoting people who resigned. Pling was the only one I've known to do so on this site. - Auron 01:43, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Makes sense... I guess? Because just removing him wouldn't work. @EMut: No need to apologise :P I kinda liked it, in a way. --Vipermagi 09:08, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The sense is that the entry can be removed (by anyone) even if the person is not yet demoted (by a temporarily inactive bureaucrat or whatever). Thus, the GW:AI has info on all the sysops that are on the userlist. -- ◄mendel► 20:53, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts -> H2SO4
That one made my inner chemist chuckle. This one really got me, though, because I am also a connoisseur of bad puns (much to Jink's chagrin). &mdash;Dr Ishmael 21:14, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Rock Paper Cynic is just brilliant. You heard any of the songs? --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 22:17, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some... perhaps half. I've got the rest bookmarked, but I just keep forgetting to get back to them.  I think "Rousseau, Rousseau" is my favorite so far, and I'm intrigued by the titles of "Jabber-rock" and "Haiku Song".  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 01:02, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It has been my experience that all intelligent men revel in puns... but the women that love them do not. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:57, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I read that book. Rhyme & Punishment: men who like word jokes (and the women that love them, who don't) &mdash;Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 04:16, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Damn, there's even a book about that? Also, my favourites are one shell two shell and the philosophical zombie slayer.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 08:30, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I only listened to Sansregret, which I did enjoy. And then I switched back to Dream Theater and forgot about the rest. Oh well. --Vipermagi 12:15, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Shut up, whitey
"[ Nigger]" is a word that white slave masters used to refer to people they liked to think of as less than human. If white people use the word, they put themselves into that context; by choice, since its use is rarely a necessity. There is no comparable context that works in reverse. (And I would be uncomfortable or offended if someone addressed me as "massa" or "master", for a similar reason.) -- ◄mendel► 18:29, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * And does anyone accusing you of racism actually know that, and does it still apply? Different example; gay. It used to be a British English word meaning "happy", or "overjoyed". Are homosexuals just a bunch of joyous fellows, then, or does 'gay' refer to homosexuality?
 * Also, context is, imo, defined by current circumstance, not that of dozens of years ago. Do two black people call each other 'less than human' as well, or do they mean 'brother'? --Vipermagi 18:51, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * The truth is: it's an unfair situation. The context is that, in the industrialized West (more often than not), White ppls get to be the boss and Blacks not. So, it's hardly a fair trade off: whites get the power and blacks get to reserve use of a word. There's no comparable term for whites, btw: whitey, honky, and mother-fucker just don't have the same connotative history. Ask me again when American blacks aren't making $0.60 vs $1.00 for whites, when rates of college graduation are comparable, when the country finally elects a black president, and when life expectancies are closer.


 * BTW: in similar situations, jews can all each other kikes, gays can self-refer to faggots, and so forth. Every group reserves the right to use negative terms for itself, but asks the rest of the world to shut the fuck up &mdash; I think it's reasonable to respect that without feeling that I'm being politically correct for its own sake. At the same time, I can understand why it bugs people to be asked to think about the terms they choose to use. &mdash;Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 19:33, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * People are attracted to those who are "like them" by nature. This shows in businesses etc. as well, sadly. You also can't stop it, so basically, I won't ever have to ask you again. This does mean I can't forget to ask you again once those conditions are fulfilled, so there's a possitive side as well? ;)
 * I find it odd, almost hypocritical, that they demand to not be called "nigger" (or whichever example you take), walk around the corner, and immediately yell "nigger" themselves. To me, it's like correcting someone for confusing then/than, and yelling at the third for correcting you in a similar manner. --Vipermagi 20:09, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * The "like them" doesn't refer primarily to race, though. For example, we're all here because we happen to like Guild Wars, and don't necessarily know (or care) what race the various people are.
 * It's not hypocritical for one person of a given race to demand that you not use a particular word, and then for a different person of the same race to use that same word. If it's exactly the same person, then yeah, he's got no right to complain.
 * Still, arguing about racial slurs is progress of sorts. Two hundred years ago, a discussion of racism in the United States would have focused on people enslaved from birth until death through no fault of their own.  One hundred years ago, it would have been about Jim Crow laws that legally relegated people to not having a lot of the normal rights of citizenship.  Today, it's mostly about someone saying something idiotic (and often later apologizing), or else about saying something that sounds bad if taken out of context but reasonable in context, and someone taking it out of context.  Not perfect, but a lot better than it used to be.
 * Comparing demographic information doesn't necessarily prove anything. Such data nearly always vary from one demographic to another.  If Asians have higher college graduation rates than whites in the United States, does that prove that the US discriminates against whites?  If women have a longer life expectancy than men, does that prove that the United States discriminates against men?  If over 90% of on the job fatalities are men, does that prove discrimination by Grenth?  I think it only proves that unequal outcomes aren't, in themselves, proof of systematic discrimination.
 * For what it's worth, the demographic things that Tennessee cites are also very much correlated with the childhood living situation with parents (e.g., live with both parents married and living together, parents living together but not married, living with one biological parent plus a step-parent, raised by a single parent, etc.). Have a regression based on that as well as race and the influence of race looks far less, and in some cases, nearly vanishes.  Quizzical 20:43, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Offensive words are really just the legacy of some of history's most successful trolls. The fact that people still get butthurt by them proves how successful they were. --Macros 20:48, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * This conversation reminded me of an interesting article on Bulbapedia. This one. Generally speaking, people outside the United States just don't give a shit about blacks. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:12, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * You support my point that it's the context that makes this offensive. -- ◄mendel► 22:15, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'd like to point out, however, that I only don't use the n-word for two reasons. One, it's the way I was brought up. Two, I'm afraid of getting beaten up. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:26, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

The sad thing in this entire situation is that "Nigger" actually just comes from the Latin "Niger", meaning black, so it's actually just the same as saying "black guy". The white people just don't have a Latin (or other) name based their skin colour. Based on this, I don't entirely understand what anyone finds offensive about the term nigger. It has been used negatively a lot, so I suppose it's just a pejorative evolution (for the dutch speaking people: just like "wijf" just used to mean wife).--<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 15:11, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's even weirder than that! In the US, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People used the term embraced by the Black community of its time, when Black was a pejorative. In 2010 casual conversation, referring to e.g. Barack Obama as a colored person would be somewhat offensive (at least, in most Black communities), person of color would refer to nearly any non-European group, African-American is preferred by some, African American by others, and Negro (a term acceptable not too long ago) is also out.


 * Among others, Dick Gregory attempted to change the perception of the term by titling his autobiography, nigger [sic] and, on the cover, telling his mom, " Whenever you hear the word nigger, you’ll know they're advertising my book ." Obviously, as the book was published in 1964, his efforts were spectacularly unsuccessful.


 * The point isn't, should a term be offensive? The point is, do we have reason to believe that the term is held to be extraordinarily offensive by a significant body of people. Even Obama, who is mocked in the US for his seeming inability to get publicly angry and remain the voice of reason even when his critics are being complete moronic assholes... even he would be shocked and angered to hear this particular term be directed at him.


 * (Incidentally, the studies that I have read, e.g. by The Public Policy Institute of California, clearly show that it's not just demographics. Studies like theirs control for education, history, single/married status of parents & current family, and so forth. Yes, those are all correlated. However, taking all things into account, Blacks still fare worse. Occam's razor suggests that the effects of 200 years of legalized discrimination is only part of the picture; current and systematic discrimination still takes place. [There's even a reasonable argument to suggest that the homeowner's tax exemption legally helps whites more than blacks, although I personally doubt that was an intended effect.])


 * tl;dr &mdash; It might be unfair, but then so is the fact that I have to use Windows to play Guild Wars. I can live with financially supporting the the Evil Empire in that circumstance. I can also avoid using the relatively few words that large swaths of folks find super-offensive. It's not a matter of political correctness for me; it's about being polite and gracious. Assholes are not reasonableness-challenged. Short people aren't vertically-challenged; we're just short. &mdash;Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:49, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can't you run GW through Wine or so? --Vipermagi 16:51, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. -- ◄mendel► 17:51, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Autistic Niggers etc /thread <font color="#B22">¬ Docta Rask <font color="#700">Jenkins  19:22, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Happy B-Day!
Happy B-Day Vipermagi! Hope many more will follow! --  <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  06:03, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll catch up with you soon enough, and then... It will be a glorious battle! May there be many more years! (unless I kill you in our glorious battle of course) --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 08:05, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * RHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I AM TO LATE!!! O well, Happy Birhtday, Viper! Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 09:23, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * /smile /wave --Vipermagi 10:03, August 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * /clap /cheer etc. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 12:39, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Happy birthday! It's great having you around, Viper. -- ◄mendel► 17:52, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday, vipriola. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:58, August 28, 2010 (UTC)