User talk:Skuld/Archive 15

My coding skills suck
Hey, I know you have a few wiki/html skills (certainly more than I do). Can you take a look at Template:Tyrian Protector title and Template:Canthan Protector title and tell me what I'm doing wrong in the Tyrian one? I just don't see the issue as I pretty much copied the code from one to another. If you can't / don't want to don't worry about it. I just figured maybe a fresh set of eyes would help. Thanks. :) --Rainith 23:58, 12 December 2006 (CST)
 * EDIT - And now I'm even more (*&^ing confused. As when used (in User:Rainith/Test) they seem to work fine.  Whatever, I'm going to bed, like I said if you want look at it and tell me what an idiot I am and where I screwed up.  :P  --Rainith 00:01, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * tests show me it was because the tyrian one didn't have a font tag in it.. o_O prehaps it is something to do with the apostrophes? (ignore the other changes, they're just c+p errors from the canthan one) &mdash; Skuld 02:37, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Or maybe its the number of pipes (I left title in) &mdash; Skuld 08:11, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Heh, I'm not even going to try to figure out why that works, I'm just going to thank you for it. :)  I was going crazy last night working on it.  Thanks.  --Rainith 22:09, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Delete me!
--  Vallen Frostweaver  11:41, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * [Build:R/Mo Sanctum Cay Runner] expired abandoned tag and no edits since
 * [Build:R/any Spell Bitter] duplicate of the recent [Build:R/any General Interrupter|general interrupter].
 * [Build:R/any Triple Interrupt] duplicate of the recent [Build:R/any General Interrupter|general interrupter].
 * Just add the tag and it'll be taken care of by one of the admins. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]]  11:47, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * You'd like to think that but the "delete" tags are only suggestions and it already has an abandoned tag on it that is a month past expiration plus this is how I've been cleaning out the ranger builds recently. This case is ready for deletion and if Skuld wants me to stop (as he/she is an admin) then Skuld will let me know I'm sure. ;D  Speaking of which, I have another to add. O.o --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  12:20, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * Ack! One more... where do they keep coming from!?--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  12:23, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * Well, the delete tag is a better choice than flood Skulds user talk page history. (As if it wasn't long enough...) The pages with the delete tag will usually get deleted soon enough if the reason you put is okay. There is no rush, you an wait a minute or two or even an hour or two. The wiki wont suffer from having those builds undeleted. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 12:46, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * I deleted about a half dozen abandonned ones this morning that someone else marked with the delete tag. By doing it that way, all admins can see it at Category:Candidates for deletion; while posting here, Skuld may be the only one to be aware of the request. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 12:55, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Thanks for deleting. I'll just put up the delete tags then from now on.  So how long is a decent time to wait before reminding an admin if there is a delete tag on a page that hasn't been deleted/tag-removed?  Not that I'm impatient but it's nice to have things deleted when you find them, rather than following back up again later or forgetting and having to re-review it again.  This was my reason for the constant bugging of Skuld before.  So sorry for the lengthening of the user talk page there [[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]]. --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  13:23, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * Np. *wide smile* The articles get deleted immediately when an admin goes through the delete tagged articles, usually within less than a day, if the delete tag is there for a good reason. If the deletion needs to be discussed the deletion is not made immediately. there should be no reason to remind admins of deletions. What if everyone was just reminding admins of all the deletable things and putting notes on their talk pages for all crappy builds which we want away with? That's why the whole delete tag thing is there. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 13:40, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * That does make a lot of sense and I feel very silly when you put in into perspective like that. Don't know why it didn't cross my mind before. (,_,) *lowers head in shame* --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  13:55, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * Each admin has their own priority and threshold for what they'll get involved in, so there's no firm rule. Personally, I look at the delete tag reason - verify the reason given, then delete it.  There are several items that remain in the delete category due to ongoing discussions; but those are relatively few.  On builds, I generally only delete for moved, broken redirects, double redirect, or abandoned builds - then leave the remainder for other admins to review. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 13:48, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * I don't mind, carry on if you wish ^^ &mdash; Skuld 13:44, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * lol. Well, you made me feel a scosh better there Skuld.  I'll just remind you if I have any in abandoned or delete ready that are overdue by a few days or so (if it happens) and not in discussion.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  13:55, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * It helps a lot, like Barek said and I asume it's the same for the other admins, they don't really want to delete builds ^^ &mdash; Skuld 13:57, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * Ummm... sorry Vallen if I somehow made you feel bad. That wasn't the intention. I'm just telling how things have worked in the wiki in the past and how users usually like them to work. No offense intended. Enjoy editing. :) --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 13:59, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Thanks.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  14:00, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * FYI - to the best of my knowledge, not a single admin patrols the abandoned category. They rely on a user to flag them as expired and ready to delete with the delete tag.  That was discussed at one time as being a step in the process, but it appears that it was never documented in the tag.  There's no documentation anywhere that I've seen that admins are expected to review or automatically delete expired abandoned tags.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:02, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Ok, cool. I'll remind when those ranger one's come about then.  Thanks for the info.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  14:09, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Someone forgot to delete the talk pages for the above when the articles went, or did I miss something? --  Vallen Frostweaver  14:00, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * If delete tags were on them, they would've been caught :-) --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:01, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Thanks Barek.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  14:07, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * I only missed the biter page, shh :p &mdash; Skuld 14:08, 13 December 2006 (CST)

BHA Build
I've used them builds on the general PvE interupt, and can i also point out the fact its ;PvE; not PvP. At least test the build out before deleting it. Gimme my build back.---Wakka
 * Well, the general interruter build is the same so it can be called General Interrupter then instead of General PvE Interrupter.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  14:06, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * The pet daze ranger is PvP? pull the other one. Also you didn't actually mention that it was pvp anywhere on the page.. :s &mdash; Skuld 14:07, 13 December 2006 (CST)

The Fact it was PvP was mentioned at the top, in the summary, hence the word arenas, I thought people would have the common sense to understand what it meant, i was obviously wrong....

Random Arenas Piccy

So, how about letting others make the decision if it should be merged/deleted/vetted w/e.--Wakka


 * Or how about we don't waste time? &mdash; Skuld 14:20, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Or Dont be a prick?--Wakka


 * What's the problem? --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 14:45, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * Argument building up because of a "deleted" build that got merged into an almost identical build I think-- ~Edo Dodo~  14:49, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * What was the deleted build, and which one was it merged into? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:55, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * It wasnt merged into anything, just deleted, with no warning. The fact that you have a pet means the enemy is getting hit constently and cant get a sneaky spell in between bow attacks, something PvE build touched on, also dropped apply poison and savage shot, cuz thier well too expensive imo, so yah, mr sarcasmo here is jus being an ass bout it---Wakka
 * And I ask again, what was the build that was deleted. Or to be more precise, what was the name? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:25, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * My Bad, R/Any Spell Bitter
 * It was listed in the previous topic so sorry I didn't post the name here. Thanks, whoever put it above my remark here.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  15:40, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * BHA build with a pet and disrupting lunge. Using a pet is at a disadvantage to the bow interrupts on the tested build, so it should not exist. &mdash; Skuld 14:51, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * I understood that one, but I don't understand the complainers attitude. He is not getting his build back that way. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 14:52, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * As you can guess I am very annoyed, but I am a reasonable person, if he had of posted me a message saying it was too similar, I might have done something about it, but as he didnt, i confronted him, he was sarcastic, so what way should i treat him?--Wakka
 * ? &mdash; Skuld 15:31, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Actually, it was me that suggested the build be deleted (see above topic "Delete me!" so you can blame me for that part. I had put a delete tag on it with reference to the general interrupter build but it only stayed undeleted for maybe 5-10 minutes as I posted a delete request here.  See above for the complete conversation.  I now see  another reason for delete tags from your reply also as they can then be used to inform others of the delete to come.  I'm sorry if your build was deleted before you had a chance to change/react though the admins may have access to restoring it though I don't know entirely what they are capable of (though sometimes it amazes me).  It wasn't my intention to anger you or upset you.  I'm just trying to keep a tight reign on the ranger builds as I volunteered for the duty a while back.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  15:40, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Thats alright Vallen :) i know your a good fellow, it was just a bit confusing as to where it went as i checked it no longer than half an hour before i did when i discovered when it was deleted. It does actually work real well, and if anyone could restore it, or even list it under the general as a varient I would much appreciate it :) Thanks --Wakka
 * This is what was in the build already, does it reflect your build's purpose accurately enough? "Adding a pet to the build can then activate the interrupts for you from the daze effect (if being used) allowing similar results as above without relying on your party to target either of your two targets (best with Broad Head Arrow or Concussion Shot) or just to add more interrupts on the one dazed target." --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  16:14, 13 December 2006 (CST)

[Build:R/any General Interrupter|There], that should cover things a bit. It now incorporates the PvP Choking Gas build and a few other aspects of PvP (therefore the pet build is included as a PvP or PvE variant too). Changed the name to exclude PvE in it as well. This should take care of this arguement and also remove yet anotehr build from the wiki if Skuld is willing to part with his favorite PvP CG+PS build (though I used notes from it to add to the General Interrupter so as not to miss anything).--  Vallen Frostweaver  14:56, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * I don't think that is a good idea or useful to anyone. The CG ranger is (or at least was) widely used, and burying it inside a long page is silly imo &mdash; Skuld 14:57, 13 December 2006 (CST)
 * Ah, but one centrally located longer page as compared to 7 or 8 medium pages may help to de-clutter things. I'm just trying to include all the options and it wasn't much to change/add really.  I didn't archive it to the talk page of the General Interrupter like I did the others though as I thought you may not like this idea.  If you change your mind though just say so and I'll archive it like the others and put up a delete tag on the CG pages.  If not, well...--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  15:01, 13 December 2006 (CST)

...
hehe. Thought you might like that.--  Vallen Frostweaver  16:19, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * Lol!

Hello
I'm the jerk who was testing out my [Build:D/E Icy Lyssa]. I found the sandbox too late but please let me know if my stub is up to code. Thanks

.JPG or .jpg
Are they both acceptable?-- ~Edo Dodo~  11:56, 14 December 2006 (CST)
 * Yes. I would recommend uploading as .jpg as it is the one mostly used. The wiki is specific about the capital letters, so keeping one standard helps. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 12:20, 14 December 2006 (CST)
 * This is especially important when using templates - some are designed to just add ".jpg" the the end of the page name, and to look for that image. So, for the image to work within those templates, the lowercase version ".jpg" should be used. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 12:24, 14 December 2006 (CST)
 * OK, thanks.-- ~Edo Dodo~  12:27, 14 December 2006 (CST)
 * See also Image use policy, I believe it states that .jpg is the preferred form. --Rainith 15:26, 14 December 2006 (CST)

Mantra of Recovery
Howdy. I noticed that you removed 2 notes on Mantra of Recovery, saying they were useless. The second note, I completely agree, the note was not needed, but the first note is kind of important. Increasing recharge speed by 50% is not the same thing as decreasing the recharge time by 50%. I think it's important to make that distinction, because the 50% reduction in recharge time is what actually happens. Therefor, I'm going to put that particular note back in the article. -- Imbril Shadowfire  19:19, 14 December 2006 (CST)
 * Never mind, I'm a bonehead apparently. I checked the history and it was someone else that made the change, I just thought it was you because the Java interface on 'recent changes' stacked the last 2 edits. Sorry man. --[[Image:SmallMapleLeaf.jpg|User:ImbrilShadowfire]] Imbril Shadowfire  19:22, 14 December 2006 (CST)

Thank you and request
Thank you for taking my advice and getting the build re-voted, however I ask you do the same with others too, rather than archiving it. e.g. [Build:W/Me Devastating Resistance]. Sir On The Edge 11:40, 15 December 2006 (CST)

Again, you have archived instead of re-evaluated: [Build: W/Me Whirling Resistance]. Sir On The Edge 17:47, 15 December 2006 (CST)


 * thx for bugging me ^^ i'll fix &mdash; Skuld 17:49, 15 December 2006 (CST)

Builds no more? Ack! Part II
So I thought you said you were done with the builds section? ;) I see you weren't being 100% honest after all.  Good to see you're still active in there and thanks for all the help.--  Vallen Frostweaver  14:18, 15 December 2006 (CST)


 * Yeh, im done trying to teach ppl not to suck but I do care about it :) &mdash; Skuld 16:53, 15 December 2006 (CST)
 * It's hard because so many people are dead convinced that their build is "awesome." If they're a noob, no amount of logic, reasoning and proper testing will get through to them; they will remain convinced that anyone who votes against it is a sour grape and hasn't tested the build at all. Quite funny, really, as Skuld has more skill with builds than 90% of the build authors on the Wiki atm. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 17:37, 15 December 2006 (CST)
 * So true, I was like that with my Crit Flash build. Oh well, those were darker days.  Now a days I don't really bother posting one of the builds on my builds section in the untested unless several people say I should (and even then I put it off, like my Bestial Strike, still haven't submitted that even though I was told too).  As it is most builds we get in now are copies of each other with a few skills swapped around but basically the same idea behind them.  Its hard to find a truly unique build there that actually works the way its intended to.  There are plenty of innovative ideas, but many of them just do perform up to par.  Oh well, a major hats off to you for sticking with it all this time.  As long as you don't take build authors too seriously you should be fine :P&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  18:26, 15 December 2006 (CST)
 * Yeah, I think part of the problem is that most new users don't really realize that they can post their personal variations of a build on their userpage. I haven't posted anything to the builds section yet, but I'm pretty happy posting my builds on my userpage and looking at ideas on others' user pages too.  I've decided to hold back, and read the build section a lot, help test builds, and get better at making builds before taking up testing time and space.  But some people don't have that restraint, and/or some don't even realize the whole userpage community exists at first too, the build section is much more accessible so thats where they start 'spewing'.  Although Skuld, you do definitely come off blunt sometimes, which just gives people an easy opportunity to complain.  Its easy to say something sucks without ever saying the word sucks.  I've definitely done that a few times lately.  Here is a funny story... I don't know if you guys saw this, but yesterday I saw 2 builds in one day with Energy Tap in the skill bar, with either 0 or 1 attribute points in Inspiration.  These were totally different builds and I don't think either were mesmers (rit and a necro?).  The author of the rit build only added it in when I told him the build had no energy management (not even boon of creation, in a spirit heavy build).  Is that not the worst, weakest, slowest energy management you could possibly find? :) -- BrianG 18:58, 15 December 2006 (CST)

dP
Finally got it working, and I posted your app. I probably got some of the specifics wrong, but you can correct those. -Auron  02:01, 16 December 2006 (CST)

GL Destructor Build
I have updated this build now, what you think of it now? --InfestedHydralisk 06:59, 17 December 2006 (CST)
 * I'll have to try it out, removed my unfavour tho ^^ &mdash; Skuld 07:00, 17 December 2006 (CST)



Quick coding help
Is there a way to include in a template a Category so when the template is used on an article that article is also added to a certain Category? Note: I don't want the actual template to end up in that Catgory too though. If so how? Also is there a way to make a template so that instead of having to type you just type ? If so how?-- ~Edo Dodo~  07:11, 17 December 2006 (CST)

&mdash; Skuld 07:18, 17 December 2006 (CST)
 * 1) set the param as "1" etc. <-- the code for the template would be something like "name:  popularity rate }"
 * 1) set the param as "1" etc. <-- the code for the template would be something like "name:  popularity rate }"


 * OK, thanks.--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 07:20, 17 December 2006 (CST)

yo skuld
gday, is there a way to get the statistics on an article, like how many times its been viewed and so forth? Xeon 07:32, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * There used to be, but I think with the new cache software its disabled because it doesn't count properly any more >.< &mdash; Skuld 07:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Yeah I remember it used to be at the bottom right where Powered by MediaWiki is. I also remember that for every view my builds got they got one Unfavored vote :P.--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 07:38, 17 December 2006 (CST)

SKUD HELP!
Hey skud I'm the guy in charge of that Drunken Vim Build. Can you please look at it. I think I've edited it enough to be an untested build. Please check it out!!! Thank you.


 * I have an L :p sure &mdash; Skuld 09:06, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Skud skud skud. --Fyren 09:09, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * /slap &mdash; Skuld 09:12, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * So popular =P --Silk Weaker 09:15, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Of all the admins why does everyone always ask Skuld for help :P--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 09:17, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Because he's wuvable.--Silk Weaker 09:26, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * ...--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 09:39, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Because he's wearing a girl's name? (Oh yeah, I know, I should stop talking...) ;) ~ Nilles (msg) 10:42, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Lol--86.194.212.251 10:51, 17 December 2006 (CST) Erm forgot to log on.--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 10:55, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Awesome... "Save me, Skud!"  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 13:44, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Skud... lol--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 13:45, 17 December 2006 (CST)

UW trapping
I suppose you have atleast some experience with trapping. The UW trapping build/guide was recently marked as untested by someone, because it has never had a vote. It was marked as tested a long long time ago and really deserves the status. Would you care to vote so that the bureaucracy can be satisfied. [Build talk:Team - Underworld trapping]. (Yes, this IS stupid, but I really have taken this build as my personal 'baby' and want to take good care of it) -- (talk) 17:59, 17 December 2006 (CST)
 * Looks to be fixed ^^ &mdash; Skuld 03:21, 18 December 2006 (CST)

N/D Blood Healer
Hey Skuld, I was wondering whether I could ask you to stop by [Build:N/any Blood Healer] again and see the progress that has been made, especially on the N/D version. Its currently set up as a BiP build. I don't have a ton of experience with BiP builds, but it seems like what we've come up with is at least as good as [Build:N/any BiP Necro|N/any BiP Necro], if not better thanks to Mystic Regeneration. Do you think the result is worthwhile enough to split off and submit as its own build? Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm also liking your D/N Orders build you posted on the discussion page and am going to try it out. Have you tested that out at all? What arenas would it work well in? Do you think there would be any potential in a Demonic Flesh + Imbue Health combo? Thanks! -- BrianG 19:05, 17 December 2006 (CST)


 * Isn't demonic flesh and vital boon kind of counter-efficient? With more max health, you'll lose more and spend more time healing? Looks good otherwise :) I usually use no sups or majors, and health armour on my derv, with that and vital you get a max imbue anyway. GvG for the zeal derv I guess, I dunno if it has any real use, fun though :p &mdash; Skuld 03:21, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * Yeah, you're right about Demonic Flesh, I've taken it out of the N/D skillbar. Any feedback on the Mystic BiP idea though?  Really trying to decide whether to make a page for it or not. I think its an idea that people might find useful, but I lack enough experience in the use of a BiP build (and lack a PvE necro to test with) to say whether its ready for submission.  Thanks. -- BrianG 08:51, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * Suppose it could work, but BiPs aren't exactly widely used, and I think spamming Heal Party is more useful than the N/D >.< &mdash; Skuld 08:57, 18 December 2006 (CST)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I think a BiP build is only really useful for PvE missions so I'm going to try it out there.  I'll let you know if I get around to working on the D/N Orders idea.  I especially like your idea of bringing Dark Fury with Order of Pain, almost free to spam both of them with Arcane Zeal (aside from the health loss). -- BrianG 15:21, 18 December 2006 (CST)

Build_talk:W/E_Shock_Axe/Archive
talkarchive isnt EXACTLY working as intended there ;) (unless its meant to link back to the archive=P) --Midnight08 14:21, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * Yeh, its just the message more than anything ^^ I can't be bothered fixing it &mdash; Skuld 14:22, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * lol, well that works=P i'll add a small note and link--Midnight08 14:25, 18 December 2006 (CST)

R/W RegenDegen Deleted
I see you have deleted my article because it did low damage, the whole point of the idea was to NOT do damage but to do degeneration with multiple conditions. I spend a good 2 months working on this build and then another good 3 hours writing the article only to have it deleted without input from multiple people. I'm glad to see that such speedy work was done however I don't think it was prudent.

I can say from personal experience that this is a viable build as it has given me well over 20,000 faction points ALONE. Please reconsider this delete or make known to me some other knowledge I seem to have missed. Thanks --DragonWR12LB 14:59, 18 December 2006 (CST)
 * I relooked at it and it seems that you did a build stub purge. Well I would like to inform you that the article is barely 12 hours old so there could have been some accidental error in its deletion. --DragonWR12LB 15:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * If he deleted it I'm pretty sure he had a very good reason.--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 15:05, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * Didn't realise it was that young, but it does look pretty bad o.O I'm not mean, restored it hf &mdash; Skuld 15:09, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * You aren't *startled face*--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 15:15, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * Ok, I lie. &mdash; Skuld 15:17, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * Skud skud skud. --Fyren 15:19, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * Meanie! &mdash; Skuld 15:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * Skud, lol, I think the guy who first (accidentally) called him Skud is going to get killed :P--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 15:21, 18 December 2006 (CST)


 * ...I can help you with that *wink wink* (100% Assassin, oh yeah:P).&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]] 15:31, 18 December 2006 (CST)

--  Vallen Frostweaver  15:35, 18 December 2006 (CST)
 * Omg, thats awesome!!!!&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]] 15:41, 18 December 2006 (CST)
 * Cool--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 15:50, 18 December 2006 (CST)

THANKS! --DragonWR12LB 16:12, 18 December 2006 (CST) :-P


 * That's a bit how I felt when you deleted all of my builds... I mean the unhappy bit :P--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 16:23, 18 December 2006 (CST)

User page
Im going to finally do a user page for myself, but im wondering what is acceptable. Does it have to all be GW related? May I list my other hobbies? And vallen I like your's so is it alright with you if I use yours as a somewhat template? I dont have as many characters and i will add my own stuff too.--Hyprodimus Prime 23:14, 18 December 2006 (CST)
 * GW related: No. Unless you're not offending the policies, your user space is your domain. Just make sure you use the preview button frequently and don't clutter the recent changes. Listing your hobbies should be fine unless they are of questionable nature (e.g. eating puppies). Not having many characters is fine and doesn't tell people anything about the size of your genitals. ;) 85.180.119.21 00:24, 19 December 2006 (CST)
 * Puppy consumption is a wholesome and cultured pastime. --Fyren 00:41, 19 December 2006 (CST)
 * I don't mind at all. Keep in mind though that many on the wiki get upset if you don't list the pages/users you may have copied or were inspired from but I found that to be a bit exhaustive by the time I learned that fact but I still included a disclaimer (as I couldn't recall anyone that I had looked at by the time I realized that credits were a good idea).  Since then I've just put up what I've come up with so no credits are needed but just be wary.  Asking like you have is always an excellent idea.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  07:58, 19 December 2006 (CST)

D-lete time again! Yay! :D
Abandoned tags on ranger builds that have come up on Dec 19th.
 * [Build:R/Me Solo Ettin Farmer] 2 votes down (spelling corections are only edits)
 * [Build:R/Rt Brutal Needler] no votes
 * [Build:R/any Drake Slayer] no votes
 * [Build:R/any Enraged Marauder] no votes
 * [Build:R/any Swift Sunderer] no votes

--  Vallen Frostweaver  10:04, 19 December 2006 (CST)


 * My favorite time of the week :P Cheers ^^ &mdash; Skuld 10:17, 19 December 2006 (CST)


 * While you're at it, want to clean up some abandoned Ritualist builds too? I've noticed the work Vallen is doing with ranger, and since I look through ritualist a lot I figured I could do the same to help out:
 * [Build:Rt/Me Spike/Pressure Channeler]
 * [Build:Rt/any Spiritwind's Grace]


 * There are also delete tags on a few duplicated minion builds that I'm sure can go:
 * [Build:Rt/N Minion Abuser]
 * [Build:Rt/N Minion Cycler]


 * Thanks man! -- BrianG 15:04, 19 December 2006 (CST)


 * Wow you're fast... or should I say quick? -- BrianG 15:26, 19 December 2006 (CST)


 * Fast? I ate my tea then went to do them :p &mdash; Skuld 15:27, 19 December 2006 (CST)

New builds policy proposal
Hi. As somebody who has made several contributions to the discussion at GuildWiki talk:No Original Builds I just wanted to draw your attention to an alternative policy I've proposed at Build Split. If you've got the time I'd be very grateful if you could give it a read through and leave any comment you may have on its talk page. Thanks! --NieA7 10:41, 19 December 2006 (CST)

N/any IV Transfusion‎
Hey Skuld, would I be able to ask you to reconsider your delete tag on this build? I really enjoyed playing as did some of the other testers, it and it worked well in RA. [Build:N/Me Reaper of Humility|N/Me Reaper of Humility] looks cool and I'm going to try it out, but I think they are different enough. The blood version has high damage to assist with a spike, as well as blood bond to help out teammates, in comparison to the N/Me which has the Elite disable. Blood Bond has saved a kiting and degened teammate many times when I've been playing, including monks, which can make a big difference. As part of my N/D experimenting, I've also come up with a redesign of this build using Mystic Regeneration and Blood Bond, but this is a useful framework for an N/any RA Blood design. Besides that, [Build:N/any IV Transfusion|N/any IV Transfusion‎] has been favoured while Reaper of Humility has not. Shouldn't we at least wait for that build to be tested before you get to single-handedly decide its better?‎ -- BrianG 15:23, 19 December 2006 (CST)

Urgent message!
Something is totally messed up with the Movement Speed Quick Reference article. Please Skuld you must save that article before it's too late! :S-- ~Edo Dodo~  15:33, 19 December 2006 (CST)


 * Is it already too late? Did Edo Dodo just make a silly spelling mistake? That is yet to be found out while I search for it and see where it is.--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 15:36, 19 December 2006 (CST)


 * Correct link is Movement speed skills quick reference - sorry for multiple edits.--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 15:38, 19 December 2006 (CST)


 * The article appears to be new. The majority of the skills in it were never updated with the needed template values to display them on that page. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:41, 19 December 2006 (CST)


 * I remember using it (or some other Speed article list) this morning and it was very reliable. If it really was new then the one I used this morning (whatever it was called) is the "real" article and that one needs deleting. I'll try and find/remember the name.--[[Image:Star-small.png]] ~Edo Dodo~ [[Image:Star-small.png]] 15:48, 19 December 2006 (CST)
 * All of the skill quick reference tables should be listed at Category:Skill type quick reference list. I don't see a redundant listing - but it could be that the duplicate wasn't added to that list for some reason. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:05, 19 December 2006 (CST)
 * Hmmm, I did a search for Movement speed, and it took me straight to an alternate article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:09, 19 December 2006 (CST)
 * Which has now been cleaned up and a link inserted to the one you listed above. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:12, 19 December 2006 (CST)
 * lol thats pretty funny, i found and used for the 1st time that same "incorrect" list this morning at work...--Midnight08 21:01, 19 December 2006 (CST)