Talk:The Four Horsemen

Does anyone know if Riders of Dhuum are bosses or just regular monsters? My outdated video card doesn't display the boss auras, and my group got wiped out before we could defeat any of them so I'm not sure if there's a morale boost. -- Gordon Ecker 05:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Metallica
There is a metallica song called the four horsemen (Kill 'Em All), and theres the biblical four horsemen, I don't know how to put this into the article though. I'd think ANet would be referencing metallica rather than the bible, looking at the other cultural references :p Skuld  11:19, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
 * I'm sure it's a reference to the song, especially when you look at the Male Warrior's guitar animation :) LordKestrel 11:30, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Now let's guess to whom that song by Metallica is referring... It all comes down to the Bible in the end. ;) --84-175 (talk) 12:35, 10 April 2006 (CDT)
 * I meant that :D Skuld  12:39, 10 April 2006 (CDT)

non-repeatable?
Is this quest non-repeatable, or is the icon missing? (see also Talk:Terrorweb_Queen). Foo 08:17, 18 April 2006 (CDT)

Copyright Issues
I am sorry to say, but the walktrough section is entirely copied from [|here].
 * Why are you sorry to say that? - 01:34, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I am sorry because it is quite a good description :)

I asked Tarosian over at User_talk:The_King_Tarosian if he got permission to use that text, but judging from Skuld's last question for him, it might be a while before we get a response. --68.142.14.84 06:09, 29 June 2006 (CDT)


 * It should be made clear that the issue here is not permission as you stated on Tarosian's page. The issue is referencing. If he did copy it from there, then we need to list that as a reference (or I'll just rewrite it myself having done it). We do not need anyone's permission for a post placed on a public forum. It's just good style to list them as the source that is all. It may be that Tarosian was one of the people who helped compile that thread and as such needed to give no credit, I don't know. Either way, there is no permission to seek. --Karlos 11:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)


 * No, it is the only issue. Just because it's public doesn't mean we can reproduce someone else's text without permission.  That's like saying a song on the radio is free for everyone to copy as they please.  Whether or not we provide credit, without permission (or a license, which I guess is the same as permission) the only way to use it is if it's fair use, which it's not.  This is not like copying someone else's map where the artwork is owned by ANet and the mapper is only stating a fact ("the boss is here").  --68.142.14.71 11:41, 29 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Unless you can provide a legal statement on Guildwarsguru.com that states that content in their forums is subject to copyright laws, then you are making stuff up. Yes, believe it or not, stuff you post in public forums does NOT belong to you. You would need to specifically state any copyright issues in order for others to be bound by them. This is not what you personally feel is copyright laws, this is what IS copyright laws. Now, what is wrong, is for someone to read it there, then come here and post it as his work. That is an obfuscation of credit as well as obfuscating the source of the information which helps in validating it. --Karlos 11:52, 29 June 2006 (CDT)


 * You do not need to put a copyright notice on anything for you to own the copyright if you are the creator of the work. I think you're the one who has obscure "feelings" about copyright law.  The work being available to the public or being on an Internet forum is completely irrelevant.  The only reason some forums say things like "all comments are owned by their respective posters" is to attempt to shield themselves from liability.  --68.142.14.71 12:29, 29 June 2006 (CDT)


 * My understanding (I'm not a lawyer) is that a copyright exists on all original documents the moment they are published, even if the text isn't marked as copyrighted. The absence of a copyright notice does not mean it is in the public domain.   I'm not aware of court cases to test the full limits of copyright law; but I would expect it to cover public postings in chat forums and message boards.  --161.88.255.139 13:05, 29 June 2006 (CDT)


 * If the content came from that person, then no one is questioning that they should be credited. The issue here is one of "permission" not "recognition." Whom should we ask for permission to republish this information, the author or Guru? My belief is that, when the author submitted the work through Guru, THAT copy on Guru became subject to Guru's laws (in my view, public domain). And as far as I know Guru does not have any laws or regularions against copying content off the forum and placing it elsewhere. The medium through which you presented your work is extremely relevant. If you record a new song through Sony, you can bet they will have rights to reproduce and make money off that song, even if you hate them. If you call in a radio show and voice your thoughts, even though they are your thoughts, that radio station can replay them and put them in sound bites and even give them to other stations to replay them, even though they are "your" words. So, the medium here is EXACTLY what we are talking about. I have fired Inde at Guru a message about this issue, hopefully we'll hear from him here on if he messages me, I'll let you know. --Karlos 16:47, 29 June 2006 (CDT)