Talk:Game updates/Archive11

Archived
Archived! -- Warwick (Talk ) (Contr. ) 17:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! X Deity X  [[Image:xdeityx.png]] 17:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Holiday keys?
What are holiday keys? Sephiroth907 01:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Zeek Aran 02:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I want to know too!
 * Probably Holiday special offers for guild wars? From the online store? >.>69.105.23.85 02:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See Visit the Eye of the North for the Holidays. --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 02:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh... i was thinking in terms of chest keys Sephiroth907 04:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Journey to the North Buff
This is not a 100% great buff - Glyph of elemental power does not work. Also i have had my Fire Magic skill taken down (as the weapon i have currently is rubbish!) and i have 2x lvl 9 ranks and nothing else...Also heroes are unaffected (Tahlkora has health 320). - Dyra 13:19 8 December 2007 GMT
 * It's a gift that they're trying to do anything at all for low levels...--Carmine 19:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Carmine. Just get the reward Pyrewood Staff from the hero training quest.  You only get additional attributes set to 9 if you have spells equipped from those attributes or if your weapon does not match your skills. If you only use Fire Magic and Energy Storage spells and weapons, then you will only get those two buffed.  Also, you get 2 level 20 heroes as soon as you get in, and they don't need the buff anyway.  With the buff applied to heroes, people would abuse it to quickly level their low level heroes in the more difficult areas. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 20:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you HONESTLY complain about this buff? this buff is completely godlike. None of my level 20 characters can have 640~670hp, with 12 - 9 - 9 - 9 attributes. Not only does this make you a level 20 character, but it makes you a darn good one. In order to get 12 - 9 - 9 - 9 attributes, you'd have to do something like 10 + 1 + 1, 8 + 1, 9, 9. That'd give you 12 - 9 - 9 - 9, but still lose out on 20hp. Plus, you'd have needed to do both the 15 attribute quests, wich is much harder in prophecies, and be level 20 to boot. A level 10 character with stats like that? Not... Overpowered or anything, but good, and you can easily work on survivor this way, by having high attributes without sacrificing health. 69.104.219.129 21:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey they didn't make EotN easier - it's still an area for lvl 20 chars and that's why they gave this buff to low level chars. They wouldn't enjoy anything otherwise. Survivor my arse - lol. With a good Norn title active you get even more hp. Also who uses 12-9-9-9 attributes? It's more like 15-11-9 (as for a eotn ele: fire, ene, earth) for real lvl 20 chars. It's just a mere EotN campagne (did it sell so badly?) with nothing really interesting for ppl that don't have low level chars anymore. Not even the points you can collect towards a title are doubled (now that's be interesting for the old players that already have played EotN). Disappointing. --Birchwooda Treehug 10:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Pfeh, 16-16-3 is the way to go. 12-9-9-9 may not be used much, but I agree with the anon that being able to hit the attribute max without losing any Health can be quite nice. I wonder if I should use this opportunity to get my L2 Mule to EotN :P [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just for the sake of discussion, I'd argue that 16-16-3 may often be the way to go, but not always. In other words, you can't make it a blanket statement.  As with most things, it will depend on your profession and particular build at the time.  For example one of my favorite PvE Rit builds is spirit-heavy.  Many Rit spirit skills summon the spirit at rank 16 at the same level as rank 14.  As long as you have no other skills in that attribute that would benefit from the points, it makes sense to keep it at rank 14 and invest the extra points in something else, like spawning power or a secondary attribute.  Shadowlance 16:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait, how can you get two attributes at level 16? You would need to be wearing two headgears at once... Silver40596
 * Rune?? Falafel 20:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No; with a superior rune you'd only have 15. You need the headgear to get 16. Silver40596 (Edit: Unless they changed things so 12 isn't the max you can set an attribute to without modifiers.)
 * Blessings and Consumables and other stuff like that. Also, +1/20 modifiers. It's not a "hard" 16 but it is close enough. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 18-16-5? Tho you don't get any blessings of this kind in EotN - and +1/20% is not a given +1 it's just a 20% chance... like every 5th spell will use +1 to its attribute. whatever, this has become to a pointless discussion XD --Birchwooda Treehug 12:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent) about that "survivor my arse" comment, my ranger beat cantha, killed shiro twice, killed glint, and beat EoTN all without dying once and failing survivor. I used all hero/hench teams, and 12 - 11 - 8 attributes, with all survivor/vitae/vigor, for 640 health. Hardest part was the great destroyer, and shiro.. didn't do enough damage to get him out of the meditation of the reaper, and he almost killed me the first time, and the great destroyer... well, that wasn't quite as bad. But my point is, you can very easily use this buff and work on survivor. (one thing I did was siege devourer farming to help get xp easily, and get ebon vanguard to level 10)69.104.173.90 08:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * claps* Do you want a medal now and a certificate? How high do you set the chance that this is common? muahaha have seen survivors dying in simple missions like bastion in nf - well my survivor mesmer also still didn't die. --Birchwooda Treehug 12:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I'm merely stating that it's not all that hard to get survivor as long as you take the proper precautions, and a buff like this would allow you to have high health, further reducing your chances of failing. Also, you would have level 20 health, but not be level 20, so you would gain extra experience and level up faster. 69.105.52.57 21:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This buff doesn't last long enough to make any serious progress on Survivor, unfortunately... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not the later ranks, no, but for someone (like me) who is aiming merely for level 20, being able to basically be a level 20 while I work on it? Just awesome. I can get my actual level 20's through EotN without dying, so I don't see how it would be a problem for me to get a level 10 with level 20 health and attributes through in the same way. (let's not forget that free max armor buff as well.) --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  22:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I always recommend Factions and Nightfall to work on Survivor. Faction is the fastest XP out there in any of the campaigns, and Nightfall has good XP and heroes. Prophecies is too slow. GW:EN is too risky. Really, you are more likely to lose your Survivor in GW:EN than any other campaign. I think if people use that buff to get from lvls 10 to 20 in GW:EN, then they've earned their title. Alaris 15:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think GW:EN can be a great way to earn the title, if you're really careful. There's some fairly simple quests mixed in there, with rewards of 15k EXP and stuff... I read that Kilroy's Punchout Tournament grants so big EXP numbers as well (and with everyone getting set skills, it shouldn't be any harder for any one character over another). Factions always has simple quests for leveling (once I get a character to Kaineng Center, it's simple enough to hit level 20 from quests there alone), Factions is also simple to get from newbie island to mainland. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  21:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The new guild hall NPCs
How ridiculous to pay 10k for a guy to show you other guild halls. Why not, for a change, just give us these guys? Maybe not the hat maker, but the other NPCs you might use once more after getting a guild, and for the cape, a couple of times max. Silly.
 * Well GuildWars needs gold sinks (no not the kind that a plumber would fix) in order to keep economic balance, and this is a major source of that. BTW, I think there should also be a consumables NPC.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They sure have a great way to make one, screw us non-farmers to occasional-farmers to slightly damage a few mega farmers with no life. --Sefre  [[Image:Sefresig.jpg|15px|]] Talk*Cont. 04:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The only remotely useful NPCs you can buy for the GH are the skill trainer and the Priest of Balthazar. All the others are pointless since they can be found in the first city of each campaign, and everyone will have access to one of them. Also, MAYBE the festival hat maker if people want to give their PvP chars one... for some reason... Skill trainer is useful though since you can buy SoC there, and Priest of Balthazar can help with unlocks when you're there with PvP chars, but other than that they're all worthless. Especially the weaponsmith --Gimmethegepgun 05:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally have a Merchant and Rune Trader in my GH, being able to zip to my GH from anywhere to empty inventory is great, and I often need quick access to a Rune Trader when I want to reset armor. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  05:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * But a one-time-10k-payment is nothing. Weird gold sink XD And the Skill Trainer WOULD be useful if he would offer all unlocked skills. As he is now that NPC is only useful for the cap signet, nothing else. The only useful NPCs are the merchant and storage, while the storage woman is annoying too... just the storage is good enough. --Birchwooda Treehug 10:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I find all the "Trader" NPCs to be useful. It is true that you could find the exact same NPCs in Ascalon City, Kamadan, Shing Jea, etc. But, there are always other players there, and it can get oh so annoying to listen to their spam. I am too lazy to turn all the chat off, especially in case I actually miss something good. Being able to play the markets in the peace of your own Guild hall is a privilege. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's a hint, don't like the price, don't buy it? You're not FORCED to buy them, it's not as though having a full guild benefits you in any way aside from having all the resources you bought avaiable to you. You don't like it? don't buy it. Aside from that, it's a welcome addition you can add if you'd like. And as for the cost? It's fairly trivial. I've merched my black bandana 3 times now for crying out loud, the blasted thing is damn near invisible in my inventory. black dye, materials, and 30k, that's roughly 50k wasted.69.104.173.90 08:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I love how people talk about being screwed over by anet.... as if this is something they MUST buy.... and as if it is even expensive....gg LOL 82.17.91.13 08:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied to the wrong tree of this discussion you two? ;) No-one complains about expensive NPCs here, the one who does is somewhere above me first reply . And the only thing I like about the gh is that you can easily travel back to the place you were before (wish the balthazar temple would have that option too). Personally I also don't like large cities, takes much longer to load (most annoying), further to walk (also annoying) and chats need to be disabled (ok that's quickly done). But all this doesn't make a NPC like the lame Skill Trainer useful (but for the cap sig). --Birchwooda Treehug 12:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say the fact that there are people bragging about "wasting" 50k means that Anet's doing nowhere close to enough gold sinking. :P -- Peej 14:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not bragging about wasting, and it was wasted. xD The damned things are invisible, I keep merching them. 69.105.52.57 21:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * How do you manage to keep accidentally selling it? Just put stuff you don't want sold between quest items like a hero handbook.
 * I keep important stuff in my Belt Pouch, and extra armor/weapons in the last bag. That way, everything I sell is only from the first bag. (Although I have occasionally sold gold weapons I needed by mistake...) --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  20:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I just use a random quest item as a barrier between stuff I want to not sell and stuff I want to sell. That when when I go to the merchant and just jam on the sell button it stops and tells me I can't sell the quest item.  Takes up an extra space in inventory but I rarely fill up all the way.  -- mechasoupx 20:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah thats exactly what I do. But it does fill up a little more space but I can get by that. --Hellbringer loves emo slut druggies (T/C) 20:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I put items I don't want to accidentally sell in the last bag, and then "uncheck" it from the merchant's sell interface. It remains unchecked so I don't even see those items when selling.  I like using the last bag for the keepers since loot fills up from the first bag and moves back.  Shadowlance 21:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I only have my backpack checked for merchants. If I have more stuff to sell, I sell the backpack empty and move the rest to the backpack. I can then safely hold anything important in the bags and belt pouch. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 21:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Holy crap! That's genius! I totally forgot you could do that! Thanks a lot Gem! :D I've sold a couple golds I shouldn't have by being too ambitious with the sell button. LOL --Tasiden 13:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)~

[reset] So... doesn't it warn you when you try to sell armor? You can't "accidentally" sell a bandana without confirming it... You must get really carried away with selling stuff if you hit "Yes, I want to sell my 50k bandana" without even looking at the warning first. O_O RoseOfKali 07:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't remember seeing warnings on my own armor when I sell it, it only warns you when you try to sell something you've got equipped. Obviously, if you're selling armor, you're not wearing it, so wave goodbye. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  21:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Iirc, such a warning occurs with customized items. My ele once customized a pair of shitdaggers (was testing something), and the warning occured when trying to sell. I was wielding a Destroyer Staff at the time of selling, btw. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I sold a weapon that was equipped in a second weapon set, and that gave me a warning. Never had warnings for anything other then that. Did you have the shitdaggers equipped on a second weapon set? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  22:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... Probably. Don't remember that though... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 22:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It only costs 10g to customize, I'll try it out next time a crappy weapon drops for me. And if I ever sell a piece of armor (my Monk is low-level, so I'll probably cycle through a few armor sets on my way to max), I'll test that too. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  04:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Added items dropping in Eye of the North section under Guildwiki Notes
I just added that Sparklers, Honeycombs, and Hunter's Ales are randomly dropping from monsters in Eye of the North on the main page. Any other items anyone notice?
 * No that was confirmed to be the only items dropping.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 04:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Thursday, December 20
Ok I just grabbed the new update. For some reason I can't sign into the last player I was on before I grabbed the update, all the others work. Most were in my guild hall, and it lists their location as "Guild Hall". The last character I was on, who was also in the guild hall, has his location listed as "Isle of the Dead" and I get error 050. I tried one other char, worked. Tried the busted one again, failed. Tried the previously working char, failed, as well as another. I managed to sign onto a character finally, but I don't know what the deal with this is. Any ideas? 76.224.18.8 02:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit more testing, if I sign out of a char and they are in the guild hall now I can't sign back in on that char. I can sign on, off, and back on to, any char I don't leave in the guild hall.  If they are left in the guild hall the most recent one has their location as Isle of the Dead (or whatever your guild hall is) and others, even the ones that don't work, simply say Guild Hall.  76.224.18.8 02:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My character is in Kodash Bazaar, and loaded in just fine. [[Image:Isk8.png|24px]]Isk8 02:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Tested, it doesn't happen to me. TulipVorlax 02:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I can load fine, but I can't go to the Guild Hall. My best guess would be because of the recent Guild Hall glitch that allows ppl to ferry someone else to anywhere in the game.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've talked to some players in game and a few have this problem, one said he couldn't map travel anywhere, etc. Probably a glitch in the fix to the problem Marco mentioned.  76.224.18.8 02:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit edit edit yet again, it seems to work now. Probably a weird issue with the servers, it's all good.  76.224.18.8 02:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Game page all updated and Wiki'fied :D Isk8 02:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

"Fixed a bug that gave players premature access to an area they haven't visited yet."

...Eh? What is ANet talking about? 24.6.147.36 16:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There was a bug that let people ferry characters to any location in the game, even if they hadn't visited it before. Think lvl 1 being taken to imperial sanctum, gets green, remakes char, rinse, repeat. Lord of all tyria 16:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There was a bug, that involved the Canthan Guild Hall Ambassador, that caused the game to forget that one person of a party may not have been to the place you were going to when you finally left your guild hall. There were a small number of lvl 3 characters in Domain of Anguish, who got there by exploiting the bug. 82.16.137.96 16:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Bug seems to be back. People are "ferrying" others to places they do not have or cannot access yet. Think another "mass ban" from Anet will occur on people who innocently got pulled into this mess? Friend said he could "run me anywhere" and out of curiosity I joined and he took me to Gate of Fear. Now I fear for my account. =( &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.232.145.231(contribs) 20:49, 29 December 2007.


 * Yeah right now, im thinking anet will be banning all those who does this exploit with the bug, i suggest all those who do this should STOP IMMEDIATLY. My friend told me on vent he was banned ;/ &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.224.108.196 (contribs).
 * I don't think this deserves a mass ban. If they are willing to find the players who exploited the bug, it wouldn't take much longer to find the cities that were reached by exploitation (no uncovered map path to the area), and simply block those cities.  This wasn't a get rich quick scheme like the armbrace one, and won't have much of an effect, other than seeing a level 3 with ancient armor. No big deal if it goes "untreated."  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 07:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Or, if they really want to punish the exploiters, they could just erase their whole map and make them re-explore everything again, from the first outpost. Most people who used this weren't very far along, so this wouldn't have "epic" consequences, but could still be a nasty slap in the face.  Still, I don't think this is reason enough to actually ban people.  It's just a map.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 07:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

They fixed it
again, lolz --- -- (s)talkpage 11:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was wondering when, lol. Not after most of my guild was offering to take people to House Zu Heltzer for free... xD
 * It took them 2 updates, but they finally got it right Zefir 18:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wierd I never knew what "it" was, like most of the updates with bugs.


 * Some teleport bug, you could go to any explorable with the Guild Ambassador. The usual stuff --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 02:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems they didn't think they got it right, as they've just fixed it... again! -- Tasiden 23:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Dervishes are gone
Looks like this last update has removed Dervishes from the game. A shame, really. 82.17.105.0 19:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fat lies 65.93.216.23 19:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * wtf?? 68.142.54.62 01:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do you feel the need to vandalize GuildWiki, mr. 82.17.105.0? -- Tasiden 11:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not vandalism, merely sarcasm. The Article is for facts, the Discussion is for, well, discussion and opinions and general chatter. I'd say this qualifies as general chatter. :P --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  19:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. He's either retarded, or he's trying to get a rise out of people. I'd go for both. Either way, I don't think this is the place for it. -- Tasiden 23:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just like the crap you post?
 * Really have a need to continue this? Tain 17:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

what was that???
wtf was that "you have new message" thing?? it led me to a very disturbing picture....*shiver--Patch 17:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That was a vandal. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's an automated message by the wiki when you get a new message. However, you do not have a new message. Do you know where it sent you? --Gimmethegepgun 17:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Normally it's an automated message ... in this case, it was a vandal. See http://gw.gamewikis.org/index.php?title=Game_updates&diff=prev&oldid=1140518 for the specific edit that created the fake notice. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh... why did you feel the need to post the link to that? O_O If anything, it should be permanently erased from the archives, not reposted... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 17:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Man, who was dumb enough to click the link without looking at the URL at the status bar? Never trust these tiny URLs, you're BEGGING to get your computer infected by malware. Did anyone go and get their hats? I love how I didn't log in not one day during the Wintersday Events, and yet I have both hats. Mwahahahaha! --MagickElf666 19:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You missed all of Wintersday AND you got stuck with both hats? I feel doubly sorry for you. ;) -- Peej 20:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, (the other one at least) turned the whole page into one big link, so it was easy to click... &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 23:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I keep hearing people say not to use tinyurl for reasons like this, and this post here made me curious, so I went to see if there was anything that could be done to safe-n it up. Turns out they have a preview feature that you can turn on to, which will show you an intermediary page with the real destination whenever you click a tinyurl link. In this case, that name was all I hade to look at ;). --Star Weaver 20:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Missing NPCs in GtoB
O NOOOSSSS, did anyone send out a search party???!?!?!?! O.O &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.197.181.242 (contribs).
 * "The Henchmen in Great Temple of Balthazar have gone missing." Best little, subtle line I've seen on this wiki, and I've seen plenty of them. I will remember that line FOREVER, oh by the way, I confirmed it, in the case that anyone thought this was a passing Vandal Matrim [[Image:Squirrel crossbow.png]] 22:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * agree. That's the first time the wiki has made me chuckle.--69.40.228.128 15:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There were henchies in GToB?--Alari 00:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you could take them with you into isle of nameless to do the Training Arena. -Ezekiel 00:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Jan 11th bug fix??
What's this about postsearing items in pre? How did this work? Does this mean that there'd be Sup runes in pre now?
 * I think it was during the guild hall glitch along time ago where people could have pre characters enter the guild hall and get post searing weapons like the Icy Dragon Sword. ~Bloodfire
 * But that was fixed long time ago. What was it this time? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 19:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As I recall it was fixed a long time ago, and several times since. The same glitch was most likely reintroduced.  -- mechasoupx 19:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably what happened is either a new glitch opened up, or someone used code from a while ago, from before they originally patched it. Thus it would open the glitch again. This happens more frequently then you might think, if they don't label things correctly, and if someone doesn't get their coffee one late night. ;) -- Tasiden 19:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I might put the blame on the coffee on the late nights, because America needs to get off CoffeeTM --Gimmethegepgun 19:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There is an unfortunate tendency among techies to work late nights, and often at about 3AM you think you've had the most brilliant idea ever. Needless to say, at code review the next day after a bit of sleep, it doesn't look so clever anymore... :p  --68.187.144.197 02:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There was an exploit that could allow players access to certain locked outposts and outpost not unlocked via storyline (this was done witch hacked client program). I suppose they used the same hack to go back to pre-searing.
 * Don't see how that would have worked, since Pre-searing map is not accessible or even viewable once you leave it... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 21:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * its very simple, every outpost/map has its own ID; when you change maps (via map travel, or entering/exiting town) the client send info to serwer: "change my location to ID=xx", with hacked client you can send for example "change my location to ID=<insert pre-Ascalon or hidden near-malyx outpost or ...>"; apparently serwer didnt check if you are allowed to enter that particular ID

Ice Crown update
What in all did they do to the crown? RoseOfKali 19:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The icicles changed color a bit, iirc --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 19:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Colour and shaped up a bit too. -- Tasiden 19:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh... It actually looks like ice now, instead of dirty roadside frozen slush. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 20:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It still has a blonde wig attached. D: [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also the disk that the ice sat on was changed from a metal ring to a furry one. Just look at the various past images of the ice crown and compare it to the current in its article.65.112.243.131 02:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Pre-Searing Glitch
For the record, what exactly was this glitch that brought Post items to pre?
 * Some kind of client hack that allowed for travel to a post searing town or hall or something, with storage and stuff, is what I've heard.--Alari 01:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You could, using packet editing / sniffing software, send the same packet(s) to the server that the game normally sends when moving a player to a guild hall. This would skip the "player is not allowed to travel to Guild Hall if in pre-searing" block, allowing a pre-searing char to access the hall and get items. At least, that's what I heard. Don't quote me on it. --Phydeaux 09:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you type /bonus in the pre-searing, you get your weapons of the bonus. Do they mean with that???
 * Because then you can say you got max dmg weapons in the pre-searing.
 * No, they mean literally hacking the game, which is an instant perma-ban. --Macros 19:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Now that all continents will be merged?
Will this affect the economy in any way? I seem to remember there being price differences between US and EU way back in proph. Seb2net 21:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * EU and US have been "equalized" for price a while ago. Koreans were still a bit behind, but that will change too, now. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Even better: we can now send western bots to Chinese servers! 151.213.183.250 04:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear god, LA is going to be even more of a convoluted mess. -- mechasoupx 06:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Timer text change?
If I remember correctly the ingame playtime timer recommends taking a break after 2 hours no?, I just received a timer message that said: "You have been playing for 2 hours." Is this a change, or is it at 3 hours (this'll make me feel REAL dumb if i'm mistaken) Matrim 21:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've gotten that useless warning at 1 hour before --Gimmethegepgun 21:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It used to say You ahve been playing for 2 hours. Please take a break. That's what he meant I think --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I know. What I'm saying is that that timer is extremely inconsistent. I've had it begin at 1 hour before, sometimes started at 3 as well. It's pathetic --Gimmethegepgun 21:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see what you mean now... I've always had it with 2 hours. Perhaps it depends on your consistency in playtime? I rarely play before 6 o'clock evening (well, during schooldays... :P ) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it happens EVERY hour on the hour, so you would get one for 1hr, 2hr, 3hr, 4hr etc... you just might not always notice it. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 22:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've always seen "You have been playing for 1 hour" and nothing more. I'm 90% positive on that, and 10% insane. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 22:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Its always been on the hour every hour for me. Haven't been on in 2 days, so I can't say about now ^^ Lord of all tyria 22:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Well see what i was talking about was the "You have been playing for 2 hours. Please take a break." message, insofar as i've noticed it always happened to me from all the hours from 2 hours to 3 days, I didn't know there was an inconsistency though there is still the possibility that it won't show up at 3 hours, I'll post back if it doesn't Matrim 22:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I officially panicked for nothing. I just got the "You've been playing for 3 hours. Please Take a break." message, so it indeed is still there. Sorry 'bout all the ruckus. Matrim [[Image:Squirrel crossbow.png]] 22:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

This has to be one of the strangest skill balances yet.
they buff eles, dervs, monks, rits, paras, warriors and assassins not destroying any builds and making many lame skills useful...... and they NERF one of the few good mesmer pve elites.... what WHAT? Seb2net 22:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * And one of the strongest hex removes if it comes to pressure. If they made it, like, Lightning damage, it would've been good too, imo. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 22:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Aura of Stability got a minor nerf, but where in the world was that used except HA? Magebane Shot is now more expensive, but all the ranger utility skills more than make up for it. Expert Focus for instance. Warmonger's Weapon is now 30 sec recharge, but seriously that thing WAS overpowered. Heart of Shadow was changed, I haven't even unlocked it before so whether it's for better or worse remains to be seen. Seb2net 22:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * AoS saw some use in GvG as well, since loads of people started running water trident snarers. Doesn't really affect much by changing though. Lord of all tyria 22:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * AoS needs both Monks to be a Prot now in order to keep it up on both of them. This way it's fairly toned down, and still useful. I guess Hex Eater Vortex was toned down because of Frenzy-happy Warriors attacking hexed Monks. Blaze 06:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Disgusting Vandalism
When you click on the white space of the update page, it links you to a site showing a guy streching his ass open, someone wanna fix this?
 * Correction, its not there anymore, i think it was more a temporary page thing, sorta like a spike, still, anyone know what cause it?
 * It IS a vandal--[[Image:Ricky_sig.jpg|18px]] Ricky  22:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a code that basically turns the entire wiki page into a link, from a vandal.--Alari 22:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This has to stop. --[[Image:Progr.jpg]] -- talkpage 22:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we need to protect, or at least, semi-protect this?
 * Goatse on wiki = BAAAD! /sigh I dislike how people get their rocks off sending people who just want information to shock sites. Matrim [[Image:Squirrel crossbow.png]] 23:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The javascript patch does remove it, but javascript only kicks in after the page has fully loaded. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 23:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Can this type of linking be disabled somehow? I don't know that much of JS... --[[Image:Progr.jpg]] -- talkpage 23:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he's saying once the page loads completely the page-linking stops --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">Shadowcrest 23:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The person(s) that/who does it does so on different pages, I've seen in on a user talk page once., protecting it wont help. The wiki programmers need to disable that kind of linking in the next version IMO.--Alari 23:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops sorry the javscript only works on Firefox/Mozilla based browsers, and IE6. It doesn't work on Safari, Opera, or IE7.  And right now, the only way to fight it is via javascript.  Other tools won't be available to us until Wikia upgrade our MW to 1.12alpha (and right now they are busy debugging all the problems on 1.12alpha, which a lot of their smaller wikis have been upgraded to) -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Javascript updated. After the page fully loads, the link will be removed. Tested on Windows version of Firefox/SeaMonkey, Safari, Opera, and IE6. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 00:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What y'all talking about, Goatse ain't disgusting... Blaze 06:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Code-Compromised
The code of this game-update page seems tho have been compromised by some ill-mindet person. whenever you klick on a blank spot on the page a disgusting picture might pop up.
 * Re: Above -- Tasiden 23:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

woo
Nearly one week of Favor! :O (well, 5 days)--- -- (s)talkpage 13:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yay, 7 days of Favor!! :D --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 17:04, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * :O Cress Arvein(Talk) 19:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 2 weeks + 2 days and counting. wow. Cress Arvein(Talk) 03:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Six of those minutes are from me! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Since the weekend is far from over, I suspect we might have a month's worth of favor at the end of this. Cress Arvein(Talk) 04:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't be surprised, really. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 11:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * May as well finish up my ele's LB and contribute 3 mins... Lord of all tyria 11:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

WTF?
I just logged on and the first thing I saw was that we have lost favor... last time I checked we had almost 3 WEEKS of favor... wtf? <font color="Green">X Deity X  15:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Its at 120 now....wtf? Lord of all tyria 15:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Having a conversation right now about this in Remains. Not a clue what is going on with it... Just jumped on right now to see if there was any word. We were at over 35,000 minutes Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  15:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A-net fucked up good. Lord of all tyria 15:18, 20 January 2008 (UTC
 * fucking a-net reset the dam clock;
 * damn--Carmine 21:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What? so you relay think that ArenaNet is going to let people have 3 weeks of favor? <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  16:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Evidently. I dont think its very fair that people's achievments should have been for nothing, so im going for them bringing back out 3 weeks. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr. ) 16:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I feel that the favor was earned appropriately. Its not like we used some glitch to get that favor... So there is no reason for them to have zero'd it.  Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  16:26, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * /agree -{[ <font color="Black">PUL ]}- 19:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

But does the name of the pg appear when the title is maxed?? --:-) <font color="Orange">GlennThePaladin (Talk,Contrib) 20:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * PC?--Carmine 21:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Random comment: We have 27k minutes already again. We'd have about half a year of Favor, if not more. It's no big deal, imo. --- -- (s)talkpage 12:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to follow up on this whole favour mess, this is what Gaile has said on her talk page: "As you may be aware, players accrued a substantial amount of Favor of the Gods during the weekend of January 18 - 20. The numbers actually exceeded the coding ceiling, because in truth we never anticipated that players would accrue so much Favor in such a short period of time!" - Tasiden 10:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

R.I.P IWAY
Hehe, IWAY in HA=nerfed ;) &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.224.199.24 (contribs).


 * well, its certainly much weaker now. Fear Me with a 6 second recharge...ouch. Also bones a team build of mine, and those assassins. &mdash;<font face="Impact"> ~ Soqed Hozi ~  19:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Fear Me Flurry 'sin ftw :( --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 19:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * er...IWAY has been dead a loooong time. Ten times over.  It's dead.  Gone.  Kaput.  Now IWAY will be used as it was meant to be...rarely, and with moderate effect.--Carmine 22:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, IWAY was always meant to be a gimmick. Now it will probably lose even against nub random/balancedway. &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 20:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, the update leaves iway relatively ok. There are more problems with it than just fear me, whose recharge is now the same as steady stance, its barely a nerf to the intended target. Lord of all tyria 20:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

any guesses on what will happen with the "lunar festival" (chinese new year, february 7 this year)?
i'd really like to see the lunar festival repeated this year, it was awesome last year (mini piggies FTW! or hopefully this year mini rodents) Omnipresentgnome 04:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * i did a little digging, Gaile Gray says that it's near 100% chance for the canthan new year to occur this year, so i answered my own question...mini rats FTW! Omnipresentgnome 05:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I was not there on the previous one. But a friend gaved me a little piggy.. TulipVorlax 01:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * YES! About a million little rats this year![[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  01:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I prefer big rats. <_< [[Image:Bigrat2sAvatar.jpg]] <font color=#00BFFF>Bigrat2  <font color=#1E90FF>Talk  01:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Then get on a ranger and you can have a pet rat AND a minipet rat. Assuming they do minipets this year, of course.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  01:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering that Mini Pigs are worthless now, I hope they'll do with rats what they should have done last year- make them available only from fortunes, instead of giving one to everyone every two hours. D: [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 10:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Lag issues
Anyone else getting horridly large lag after this update? I know a few people in my guild have it, but ive been getting up to 145k ping spikes, and trust me, my net plan isnt cheap AND the only problem is on GW not on IE or anything else that connects to the net. 24.197.181.242 01:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I do, and lots of people i know too. I guess this will be fixed soon eh..Paul revere 02:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

User Agreement?
Anyone notice how the last couple updates you have had to re-agree? Anyone else think something is fishy about that? I dunno, I just think its odd.
 * Yes, it's definitely a conspiracy. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not saying conspiracy, just... weird....
 * It happens from time to time, guess either Anet want to have players re-affirm their acceptance of the EULA, or they find a need to edit the agreement. Would be nice if there was a "what's changed" section between updates. (PS: Please sign your comments, just end your line with 4 tildes "~") --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 04:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, if you check my page and read the pictures caption you will see why I didn't sign Cilero 04:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Of all the updated since I started playing, this was the only update I needed to Agree to the EULA again...Maybe they make people re-agree if they are reported (but not to the extent of being banned)? Khazad Guard 05:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess last time only some had to re-agree, and actually come to think of it this time I didn't have to re-agree.... I still think the re-agree thing is usually done when something either in game changes or something happens surrounding the game (aka the mod questions from before for re-skinning weapons and such) Cilero 05:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think being reported is the case. I didn't have to re-accept for this update, but I did for the one immediately prior, and I've never been reported to my knowledge. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 06:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Resetting indent, and ya, felix, i had to accept for the one prior but not for this one, and the ones that didn't last time seem to have to now.... did someone check the new eula? Cilero 06:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe the different territory data centres had the EULA file updated during different game update builds. Ie, sounding like perhaps the US servers were changed one game update earlier than the EU ones, that sort of thing (possibly there's an American / European different versions of the EULA, ie to cover different spellings? Like there would be a language-specific version on the other territory servers, so possibly there's a difference between those two as well). --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 11:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Pretty much any change to the EULA would cause you to have to get it resigned, in accordance to the law. All parties must accept the changes for it to be legally binding. So it could have been spelling, or they changed some wording around. I skimmed over it, and nothing was suspicious so I signed. No worries. And no, you wouldn't have to resign it if you've been reported. If you were reported, it means you've broken the EULA, so why would you have to sign it again? - Tasiden 22:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sony makes you accept every time you log in with EQ2 <B><font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  22:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Basically any changes in the EULA force you to re-accept it. Usually these are just the addition of new campaigns, but sometimes other little changes too. See this for an official change log for the last update. -- (gem / talk) 23:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, perfect Gem, exactly what was needed (added that link to the game update article). Hopefully Anet / Gaile will make this a policy to provide a "what's changed" whenever they update the EULA, eliminates any "arm waving, gnashing of teeth" over perceived conspiracies etc :) --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 00:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gem. Yea, I noticed that they had added in the bonus mission pack to the list of games there. I guess since everyone can access it now, they should add it. LOL - Tasiden 10:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Lunar Fortunes
Observed -- Lunar Fortunes are now named 'Lunar Fortune [Year of the Pig]' Not known when the change was. Yamagawa 20:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, they're probably getting ready for the new Canthan New Year then. We can most likely expect Lunar Fortunes to reappear, but most likely with new rewards (at least, you won't be able to get Minipigs from them). Nifty. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  21:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * So, the new Lunar won't stack with the old ones ? TulipVorlax 00:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That would seem to be the case. So good excuse to use em up and clear the inventory space. Keep in mind, these are not the same as Lunar Tokens (which can be held in reserve between events that use em), there doesn't seem to be any point hording these Lunar Fortunes. --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 01:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the name change was to make sure people don't go selling "stack of this year's Lunar Fortunes! Get them now before the event officially starts!". Seeing as last year's fortunes had a really small chance of dropping a Mini-Pig, this year should have a Mini-Rat. If you couldn't tell which fortunes had which, it might make it silly to buy any for that purpose. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  05:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Sacrifice
in the new update my icon for sacrifice has turned into a red circle, was that there already? Bored 19:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Must be part of the latest update. Spaggage 19:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Some nercomancer skills now cost only 1 energy. Examples: Blood Renewal, Blood is Power, Dark Pact. --:-) <font color="Orange">GlennThePaladin (Talk,Contrib) 19:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * BR is so much more leet now. And yes, sac icon is new. Zefir 20:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What the fuck... I don't think this was meant to happen ,really... But oh well :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1 Energy spells?! ANet has broken standard Guild Wars procedure! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!! Zulu Inuoe 20:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They're free. Regeneration, much? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OMFG BEST UPDATE EVAR!!!!!11!!!!one!!!!1!! 70.51.138.207 20:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeeeaaaaah...its cool sure but godammit Anet do sumthing more about the rits than just decreasing the PvK recharge time by 5 seconds, I mean come on! Majnore 20:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * They nerfed mystic regen. I don't know whether to be happy or sad, also, yay one energy spells.  ~Phlanx (a necro)
 * Rits are still overpowered in many ways. Are you still complaining about FOTM builds that died months ago? ...years ago? Try a new build; you might like it.--Carmine 20:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, sacrifice can still kill you despite now being part of the "cost" of the spell --Gimmethegepgun 21:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

lolwut?
@ 1 energy spells --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest  20:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * /agree. Awesomesauce tho--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Support builds with masochism? Using 1 cost blood magic spells doing damage while using heal party/ LoD?--Alari 21:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * lol@LoD (10 second recharge FTL) --Gimmethegepgun 21:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

My Dark Aura Toucher lives again!! even if he does still suck a bit Araziel 21:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

canthan masks?
What costs were "corrected?" It says the cost of two was changed. And WTH!!!! 10 sec recharge on LoD? They nerfed all party-wide monk heals!!! Good bye Ursan... RoseOfKali 21:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

No1 seems to care that the nerf to mystic regen has nerfed 55hp monks...this means only 9 regen, whereas they were used to 15...so now you have to bring other forms of regen, to counter bleed/poison. Alternatively, go backto the old HB 66hp monks..&mdash;<font face="Impact"> ~ Soqed Hozi ~  21:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Saccing update
Hmm, does the change of saccing to a skill cost mean that that amount of hp is required before you can use it? ie. to prevent saccing oneself to death Araziel 21:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, see above --Gimmethegepgun 21:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, thx Araziel 21:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)