User talk:Trevor3443/Build Talk:Mo/E SoA Sliver/Archive 1

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Favoured:
 * 1) I am back to farming Ghail again, was doing it with 105hp carrying a kepkhets refuge, everything worked out fine, ran it multiple times killed ghial with it, only weakness is degeneration because there is no healing but i added in essence bond and watchful spirit in the optional spot and ran perfectly. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Munny
 * 2) *Please do not vote on your own builds - creation of the build is considered a vote of approval. :P --Armond Warblade (talk) 23:51, 24 November 2006 (CST)
 * I wasn't the creator, thanks but not deserved. i came up with one close to it for a few elona bosses. :-)Munny 19:06, 26 November 2006 (CST)
 * 1) just tried alot more stable then spirit bond. with this you either die or you dont. with spirit bond it was alot more unstable because of the eles with conjure flame doing 10% of ur health every hit. i used the attributes listed below
 * Hehehe..... nothing was more stable than spirit bond(before the nerf) you obviously didnt try it back then. I wish i hadnt deleeted my SB immideatly after the nerf or i could be using this build right now.--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 23:39, 2 December 2006 (CST)
 * 1) Very efficient at farming Ghial, though the loss of health if you die means an early end to the run (-1 health degen really kills 13 hp). Am currently testing a modified version on hydras, but am having a little trouble keeping SoA up perfectly - have a one second gap or so. Not enough to kill ya, but still. --Armond Warblade (talk) 21:42, 17 November 2006 (CST)
 * 2) Better than before!!! Absolutely flawless!!! I use +1 divine favor staff with scalp design to get bonus for blessed aura then switch out to protection scalp design. This gives you about a .5 second overlap with SOA, if you have 12 in earth magic. To counter Ghial's degen i use mending with watchful spirit. Drops him QUICK everytime. Works on other bosses too. Great work! --johnny55
 * 3) Lian and Shen work fine (after some practice). I still have trouble with Kensi, but he's coming around ;) I need to find a +1 divine favor (20%) staff somewhere, that 'll make life a lot easier. I have 11 earth magic now and would like to go for 12, so the bosses have more chance of dying in one Sliver casting, and have less chance to start running away. Aftershock works great as optional, but Shockwave might be better if it's casting time fits in the 10 second gap you have... (don't have the skill) 85.145.137.155 18:56, 6 December 2006 (CST)

Unfavoured:
 * 1) AI Bosses usually ran from Silver armor, or they wouldn't die quick enough. --Apathy 18:54, 18 November 2006 (CST)
 * * cough* 15.5 seconds isn't fast enough for you? *Shrug* I've found it works well, and I'm using a modified version for Hydras and maybe UW. --Armond Warblade (talk) 21:58, 19 November 2006 (CST)
 * hm, that specific boss is killed quickly, but other bosses without the swarm of enemies take a long time and usually run away since the AI update. I guess I'll abstain, neutral vote. --Apathy 06:28, 24 November 2006 (CST)
 * Right, don't mind if I clean up the voting area then. --Armond Warblade (talk) 23:51, 24 November 2006 (CST)
 * Enemies don't run away if you attack them with your weapon! So just wand/hit them from time to time. --84.163.146.185 04:17, 20 December 2006 (CST)

Attribute Distribution
earth 12 prot 10+3+1 divine8(+3+1)

no more need for the glyph of elemental power(as i stated above it overlaps with concentration making 1 useless), only takes off .35 of a second in the time to recast. just a suggestion, gonna try this tommorow


 * As soon as I saw the way this skill works, I thought of this build. Currently busy playing my paragon, but if this works, it could be the next SB farmer. --Xeeron 05:27, 4 November 2006 (CST)


 * mending at 3? &mdash; Skuld 04:15, 5 November 2006 (CST)


 * Not until you have freakin huge healing prayers. --Armond Warblade (talk) 21:43, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Attributes of 10 10 10? There are 17 points left over, any one of those can be raised to 11. --Heurist 04:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)


 * I like this build, but not the way it's currently posted - Glyph of Elemental Power is pretty much useless since without Concentration, Sliver Armor's almost guaranteed to be interrupted. When farming Ghial, I swap it out for Zealot's Fire for a little extra damage. I still need to try it out in other areas. --Armond Warblade (talk) 17:37, 12 November 2006 (CST)


 * Yea I agree, I got caught up in nightfall and I just added in the glyph to fill up that slot, ill go change that to "optional". Trevor3443 22:03, 15 November 2006 (CST)


 * I think that 11 earth magic is fine (to whoever changed it) but if you have a laggy computer, i would put earth down to 10, and raise divine favor up one more like it was originally, ill add that in there. Trevor3443 15:58, 16 November 2006 (CST)

What can this do that a ele with stoneflesh aura can't do better? Honest question. For optional, consider storm djinn's haste to make runs go faster.Phool 06:20, 18 November 2006 (CST)


 * I'll have to look into what you said above, il check to see if it can be done with an ele. anything with a 1 second casting time though will get inturupted by the mesmers though. (unless you try over and over again like the glyph of concentration). I'll write back here when I find out more. Trevor3443 23:56, 18 November 2006 (CST)


 * No, sorry it took so long, but stoneflesh aura would not work here. the casting time is too long to solo Ghial or anywhere with mesmers. -- Trevor3443 16:37, 28 November 2006 (CST)


 * I strongly disagree with the comment above, I have used an E/Mo to solo Lian, Dragon Petal before I read this and it kills really quick, and that is including most of the bosses listed. Glyph of concentration before stoneflesh works fine. Someone should put it into testing. Plus the 16 in earth really racks up the damage doobnoob

o my god! stoneflesh comes after prot spirit? that is very very important and will spawn hundreds of builds.--Coloneh RIP 03:01, 17 December 2006 (CST)
 * SA applies after prot spirit only if cast after prot spirit. However you can easily work around that. An e/mo 55(55, 105, etc) can do the following skill chain: PS->SA...SA starts to flash->SoA->PS->SA...SA starts to flash... repeat. This has the massive advantage that you only need to invest ~8 in prot to stay alive (and ~11 earth) which means you've got far more freedom with attributes, you can even get 14 in fire and spam SF if you want while still having a powerful sliver for monks/bosses. There are disadvantages too, mostly due to the 2 sec cast time, it depends on area which will be more efficient. Phool 17:22, 22 December 2006 (CST)

"Optional" slot Suggestions
Trevor3443 20:55, 16 November 2006 (CST) I have used with this build Stone Daggers and Aftershock. I use stone daggers for a faster kill, and same goes for after shock, I use that right after Sliver Armor with the Glyph still up. Also, if you are "afraid" of Ghial's health degeneration, I would suggest using Mending and Watchful Spirit for +4 health regeneration.
 * For the optional slots, some suggested elites could be Obsidian Flesh or Spell Breaker, Shockwave for extra damage (not sure how this affects the AI scatter), or Air of Enchantment (my personal favourite) for help with energy. Krowman 15:06, 19 November 2006 (CST)
 * Trevor3443 21:06, 25 November 2006 (CST) But when soloing ghial, you have more than enough energy, and anything with a casting of .25 or more almost always gets inturupted by those dang mesmers -.-.

Well i dont sugest a optionalslot but cany u just easly use stoneflesh amror instead of SoA? very less risant cause of less recharge time then casting time so it cna be kept up allways and E/Mo can also use that skill cause it doesntdepend on Divine Aura. Merry 12:32, 28 November 2006 (CST)
 * The casting time is too long and therefore the Mesmers will interrupt you, even 1 second in this type of farming will mess you up (thats why the glyph is there for Sliver Armor). -- Trevor3443 16:36, 28 November 2006 (CST)


 * I might suggest something such as Glyph of Renewal or Glyph of Elemental Power LoyalSoldier 15:34, 25 December 2006 (CST)
 * that's mentioned in the variants section - Y0 ich halt 17:03, 25 December 2006 (CST)

Merger
I vote to move this into the topic merge given because it is only a variant of the build. - Nex 15:03, 18 November 2006 (CST)

I vote not to merge it due to the fact that the Mo/E Sliver 55 wasn't merged into the Spirit Bonding one. And this one is for a different thing completely diffrent than the one you recommended for it to be merged with. But that is just my opinion..... - Trevor3443 18:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)


 * I also oppose the merge, they're two different play styles. The Sliver monk is good in huge mobs and is used for targeting a single enemy, while the generic one is better at taking out any number of enemies that appear at once. --Armond Warblade (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2006 (CST)

Trevor3443 21:20, 20 November 2006 (CST) Ill take down that notice then as I agree with the person above ^.^


 * Mmm... Technically we should wait for a third vote against the merge. Unfortunately, I don't have time to re-post the notice. *Already late for school* --Armond Warblade (talk) 09:55, 21 November 2006 (CST)


 * Trevor3443 20:24, 22 November 2006 (CST) Yea sorry, im new around this Wiki, but that person has put the "merge" thing on every SOA Build and it does not make any sence at all...and I think his build got deleted already anywho.


 * XD That's funny. But yeah. By the way, ignore my random indenting of your comments, it makes it a bit easier to read... Oh, and now I do have time to repost the notice, but I'm not going to because... well, I just don't think it should have been there in the first place. XD --Armond Warblade (talk) 23:48, 24 November 2006 (CST)


 * Trevor3443 21:04, 25 November 2006 (CST) Nah No problem, I like the indenting =D


 * Ill give that third vote if you really need it, but id like to point out that the sliver 55 was not a spirit bonder, and was also not a "regen" 55 it was a combination of the two.--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 00:01, 7 December 2006 (CST)


 * As a matter of fact it's neither, if you look at what I slapped on the beginning of the Invincible Monk page for the three types of 55s. --Armond Warblade (talk) 22:04, 7 December 2006 (CST)

Does this still work after the NPC AI update?

Phat-


 * Yes it does, you can still solo it the same way as before. Trevor3443 10:11, 26 November 2006 (CST)

Videos
I am planning to make more video's for this build when I have time, so I went ahead and moved the video for ghial farming after ghial and hopefully later I can make some more for the places you all found out -- Trevor3443 21:01, 26 November 2006 (CST)


 * Now I really want a video thing. Not that I haven't wanted one before. >.< I really like this build, I want any excuse I can get to use it. :P --Armond Warblade (talk) 00:53, 28 November 2006 (CST)


 * I have made 3 new videos...but my windows movie maker does not load them due to there massive size, i am currently trying to find one that can (or maby even Windows movie maker 2...) -- Trevor3443 17:21, 28 November 2006 (CST)
 * Made a new video section, and poted one of my videos. I still have to edit my other 2 videos, but that one took me enough time. :) -- Trevor3443 16:34, 29 November 2006 (CST)

Yo, someone tell me where I can find a movie maker thingie. I wanna make the hydras video. --Armond Warblade (talk) 21:52, 4 December 2006 (CST)
 * I can't seem to get this build to work on the hydra's, could someone explain how you do that? (until the video arrives? :D) Cavalier 12:15, 5 December 2006 (CST)


 * I found out that it was my fault my video editor wasnot working (Windows Movie Maker). "Windows Movie Maker" comes with all windows XP and some older OS as well. It is really easy to put together a video using that. Normally it is under "Start > Programs > Windows Movie Maker" -- Trevor3443 16:04, 5 December 2006 (CST)


 * Found out I'd actually been using Build:Mo/any SOA Monk :P But I go try with Sliver now. --Armond Warblade (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2006 (CST)


 * Uploaded the solo for Shen also hosted on Google video, hope you all like it! :) -- Trevor3443 16:41, 5 December 2006 (CST)

Uploaded a video for Ghial the Bone dancer and now you can watch that one :D -- Trevor3443 17:43, 5 December 2006 (CST)


 * Seems as though the Ghial video got corrupted somehow on the upload, so the quality is not as swell, ill be hoping to fix this in the future, but for now, I have to do biology homework -- Trevor3443 18:58, 5 December 2006 (CST)


 * the Ghial and Shen Video are experencing some problems. I will host them on You-Tube to see if it yeilds any better results, sorry for the delay. -- Trevor3443 19:01, 5 December 2006 (CST)


 * Yeah, quality is a little low. At least it's proof it works, that's great! But it was a little hard to make out which optional skills you used ;) Is it possible to create higher quality movies? Might take too much space of course... (I'm no expert). This one is a good example, she (?) also shows her skills and equipment and stuff Cavalier 07:44, 6 December 2006 (CST)


 * Ok, i re-uploaded em via "windows upload manager" to google video and the quality is much nicer. Also I posted a varient of this build that can be seen here in a video. Also I made a build for it here Build:Mo/E SOA Vigor

What program do you guys use to record the videos? Baron 19:17, 11 December 2006 (CST)

Shen, The Magistrate video does not work. Whoever posted it, please double-check the link. --Armond Warblade (talk) 00:09, 12 December 2006 (CST)


 * I uploaded the link, ill check it to see if its down, if so, ill re-upload. [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]( Trevor3443 ) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 15:17, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * Thank-you for whoever is posting some video's. [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]( Trevor3443 ) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 23:53, 26 December 2006 (CST)


 * me :) Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 01:12, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Runes
"You will need five superior runes - one of each of the four monk attributes and one extra in the headpiece" this implies that you need a healing and smiting rune when you dont need either. you could have 4 prot runed and one divine favor based on what is cheapest. you are not using healing or smiting.--Coloneh RIP 22:19, 4 December 2006 (CST)


 * Point. Will change as necessary. --Armond Warblade (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2006 (CST)


 * Ah, but there is a point for the healing one, I sometimes will use Mending instead of Watchful spirit and without the +3 healing Mending would only be +1 regen. I mean, it isn't actually 100% needed, Watchful spirit is ok, but just for countering degen with mending, I think it would be a better choice -- Trevor3443 15:06, 5 December 2006 (CST)
 * Yeah but superior healing runes usually cost a few k more than the others.--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 16:51, 5 December 2006 (CST)
 * True, true, it isn't really needed... and dang your right, there like 7k for that rune for healing -- Trevor3443 17:39, 5 December 2006 (CST)
 * This is why I bought them when they went down to 3k each or so. --Armond Warblade (talk) 22:01, 5 December 2006 (CST)

Baron Will Scarlett

 * I would like to make a plug to my userpage, for i have taken this build and ran with it in many directions. Just scroll to the bottom and check out what i have going on. I think i solved some problems that were otherwise unsolveable (Bolten Largebelly) though i did stray form the Sliver Armor on some of the builds. I did this because they dont deserve their own page - they are just a reference. Thanks. Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 04:13, 20 December 2006 (CST)


 * * points up* That dude is uber. I swear he made and tested all those builds while I was trying to figure out how to farm the Glimmer of Light boss. And then he came over and spent a good hour or two helping me figure out how to farm him, which didn't work but was nonetheless productive. And then he took twenty minutes to figure out a two-man for farming that guy that we're going to test on Saturday. I'm happy. XD --Armond Warblade (talk) 10:52, 22 December 2006 (CST)


 * Not sure if I'm all THAT great, but click here to see what I have going on, just scroll to the botom. Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 15:01, 22 December 2006 (CST)

cleaned up the boss list
I made it look like the other solo green farmer's boss list, alot better I think :P ( Trevor3443 ) 14:37, 26 December 2006 (CST)
 * I got Admiral Kantoh with it. Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 04:34, 27 December 2006 (CST)
 * I must say that the skill level needed to reach him must be of that of a very well trained kiting monk. You must battle against 100's of warriors and many, MANY meteors that are hard pressed to be evaded - all whilst holding PS and SoA. Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 04:41, 27 December 2006 (CST) (EDIT) If you want a video, i could take one. Just ask. Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 04:41, 27 December 2006 (CST)
 * I gues I have to start getting my monk through NightFall then :), you can add it to the list if you want 70.126.136.68 12:33, 27 December 2006 (CST)

I think my build is too different, so i just posted it in my journal on my userpage. you can check it out. :) Baron  00:12, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * I saw your build, and if you want to make a video, I would like to see how it is done :) [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]( Trevor3443 ) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 13:51, 28 December 2006 (CST)
 * As i said, the guy is really hard to get. I started at about a 10% rate of sucess and now I'm up to what I think is about 75%. I'll get a video posted on my page when I can, just stay tuned. Inother news I manages to get that stingy bastard Kantoh to drop his precious walking stick! Now if I could only sell it. I am in such a pickle. As far as I know, I have the only build on the wiki to farm Kantoh and Bolten Largebelly - both of which have excellent drops, but since there is a lack of farming there is no market for them! No one knows they exist. They are no "Victo's" and "Draco's" - household names, but more covert greens. Maybe i should just conform like everyone else and give up figuring out how to farm obscure bosses nobody knows how to. (A buddy of mine found out a slow build to get Kantoh, its more ffective, but mine is faster.) Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 02:02, 29 December 2006 (CST)