Talk:Necromancer Shing Jea armor/Archive

male forehead pattern
The patterns on the forehead of the headgear vaguely resemble the Chinese hanzi 中文 ("zhongwen"), which is the Chinese name for their written language.

I can see the "zhong", but I can't see the "wen" (is that right?) as it is missing the horizontal strike and the dot above. I don't see any meaning in it, either; it looks as if the artist just thought "make it look chinese" and used some strikes that look like glyphs. -- ◄mendel► 21:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say that there is more than a vague resemblance:



21:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To clarify, there is a definite resemblance. That can't really be disputed. So the question should not be "Does it look like it?" but rather "Is it notable?" [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So because Бє looks like Be, you would say it is? -- ◄mendel► 21:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Alphabet != pictographs. Remember that originally all pictographs actually did resemble their subjects. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * linkie
 * Looks like it, yes, is actually the character, no
 * It's not death related so I fail to see the significance, I say not notable --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC) I suffer from bias at this stage, though

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/051_-_gan1_-_dry.svg/120px-051_-_gan1_-_dry.svg.png http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/%E5%B0%B8-red.png/120px-%E5%B0%B8-red.png Not Zhong, but almost as similar, no? -- ◄mendel► 22:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What is that, mendel, and why is it relevant? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Chinese chracters that look as similar (= vaguely resemble) to the glyph on the forehead as Zhong does. -- ◄mendel► 22:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What do they mean? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's "Han" by itself. And those two are written differently because they do not extend past the top line. And yes, meaning is relevant imo. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The first measn "dry", the second means "door". My theory is that the artist wanted something on the forehead that looked like a chinese character, but actually wasn't one, to avoid creating unintended meaning. I mean, if it's supposed to be Zhong, why not write Zhong? -- ◄mendel► 22:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)& 22:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well then, we could do a few things:
 * Get into a lengthy discussion on Chinese calligraphy and degrees of similarity
 * Remove all trivia from the page
 * List every single character that it kind of sort of looks like
 * Search for a character it resembles that belongs on a necromancer's forehead
 * Change the trivia to "This thing looks like a thing, but it's really not" [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If I may provide my input just from a couple years of Chinese lessons, that is the caligraphy (Chinese art using their characters) of zhongwen that has been stuck in a poor scanner, which Guild Wars uses for armor texturing. Doesn't really matter if it's there though because it is so vague.  ANet probably thought they were smart hiding a hidden meaning in their Factions armor.  [[Image:Ultra Dagger signature.png|Ultra Dagger]] 22:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And what is the hidden meaning? Chinese language is Chinese? -- ◄mendel► 23:06, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't say that in public, you fool! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't really mean meaning, I just can't think of another way to say it. More like the Necromancer is labeling himself Chinese.  That's all it is.  It's Chinese art. [[Image:Ultra Dagger signature.png|Ultra Dagger]] 23:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- ◄mendel► 23:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Felix I wanted her to see that, I'm trying to send her a message
And please revert to an earlier version. I took the piss on the page, she is doing the same. You and Mendel were discussing what little parts of the "2 characters" are there, and then SHE ignores you and makes the Trivia MORE pronounced. This is getting pathetic now. --> Suicidal Tendencie 22:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I had expected an earlier version, not this...
 * I'm very grateful, Felix. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Pfft, fair enough. Although I'm disappointed you did that after Felix decided not to. And my version was somewhat amusing, be honest --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * How did I make it more pronounced? I removed the second character and explained the meaning of Han and how it is relevant. But you can go around and piss on articles if you like, I'm done with you. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This isn't an endurance test here. Don't lose sight of what all of us should ideally want- a relevant, interesting article. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So yes, I posted something that I considered relevant and interesting in the context of Factions after compromising half of it due to claimed nonexistence. So now who is going to ban him for intended vandalism?  Yes I realize that there won't be a ban, but I'm still rather... offended?.. by the fact that he thought vandalism of a mainspace article was appropriate to illustrate some vague point.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ehh, I don't endorse that action, though I guess it looked like I did when I reverted myself. It was more of "not going to get involved, let's not touch the article for a while" gesture. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * FELIX, someone not involved majorly in the dispute, saw it was being discussed and, as he says, decided to let the discussion end before editing the article. You got totally shot down on the 2nd character, the 1st was disputed, you went to the page yourself and devoted a paragraph to something that myself and Mendel were saying does not belong on the page at all. Ultra Dagger also stated he does not think it is relevant.
 * Felix - please correct me if I am wrong - is more trying to get the correct result as opposed to being commited to adding it to the article. You clearly do not have consensus on it being there, but you went and messed with the article itself.
 * I made an inappropriate edit, which I fully invite a sysop to ban me for, as I never once even contested the notion it was the wrong thing to do. But my options are limited. Do I roll you? No. I can't, and that, too, would be inappropriate. Do I revert you? No. Revert war ftl. What do I do? You made a simply arrogant and, at best, bemusing edit on an article out of sheer ignorance and I drew attention to it in a way that would get a Sysop on the case.
 * The article was protected? GOOD! I don't believe I've a right to edit the page (I'm drowning in bias). And I was not, until you did so yourself. You, too, suffer from bias, but refuse to give up.
 * Any meaningful or worthwile edits can be suggested on the talkpage and a sysop will adjust the page accordingly. The page is protected, for a reason, and I am grateful for that. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC) And you're done with me? I'm emotionally involved but respect you, I just think your behaviour on this issue has been considerably below par.