Talk:Vial of Dye

All discussion that has been made irrelevant due to the dye update has been archived here. --Qrystal 07:27, 21 September 2007 (CDT)

Gold Dye
While I was checking what was archivable, there was an unanswered question about how to make Gold dye (obviously, this will be armor-dependent, but still...) The only proposals were just to use yellow, or yellow+silver, but there was mention that there used to be a blend listed in the article that looked "orangish-bronze", but that definition of "gold" is no longer on the main article. Has anyone found any good ways to make a gold colour? I'd imagine yellow+orange+silver might work, maybe with a second yellow added to the mix. Just an untested thought I wanted to share. --Qrystal 07:27, 21 September 2007 (CDT)

Cheap White Dye
One of the "old ways" to make white may still be useful as a cheap alternative to white: (((yellow + silver) + silver) +silver). Thanks to Zerpha The Improver for this. (Extracted from the archive by Qrystal 07:27, 21 September 2007 (CDT).)

what's the bloody point?
Is there a point to dye, or are you all just blowing money to "look cool" ? 'cause if you are, I've got a lot of scams I mean deals you might be interested in.
 * We document the game, dye is for colouring items. &mdash; Skuld 21:22, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Dye is to customize your armor to set you apart from everyone else. Of course, anyone else can copy you, but you get the drift. So basically, yes, its to look cool. &mdash; Amontillado[[Image:Amontillado.png|23px]] (T/C) 21:23, 28 July 2006 (CDT)

And to show off how much money you have :)

Or if you're spending it on black dye, it might as well be "to show off how much money you HAD" :P

Dude, 15k armor is also a prestige symbol, you dont buy that cuz u get better protection (ok, i did for my sin, who still had the 55 armor set...) (Black) dye is the best prestige sybol you can have on such a set.11:56, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Pff... Whenever I see someone with black dye I think of someone with no fashion sense but too much money. White is the way to go (actually, making a custom mix is the way to go, but those are underappreciated) I'm waiting to see a turquoise dye (roughly the colour of the Jade Sea) so I can put it on my 15k female assassin's canthan. I'll do with the white colouring it has now, for now.

I think we need to blame ANet for all of this. It isn't the color black that people go after, it is the fact it is a rare dye drop. If the rarest dye drop was Red, people would want Red. To be honest there really is no point to buying all these 'rare' items and expensive armor etc other than to show off. There is no prestige in it, well not for me. All I see when I see someone in FoW armor is someone that either A) spent WAY to much time playing the game or B) spent way to much real cash and bought the items needed to get the armor. My inexpensive Max Def sunspear armor protects me just the same as the FoW armor does.--Cronus 08:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I dyed my armor black because it looked good... first I looked at all the dye combos and then I settled on black because it looks best. &mdash; ♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 08:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You would be considered the exception. I would say 7-8/10 dye their stuff black cause it is 'rare' and they think that will make them look good.Most of my armor on just about all of my charcs are dyed a custom bronzish color. Why? Cause like you, I think it looks good :) --Cronus 08:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Starter armor
I bought some Mesmer Ascalon Armor and dyed it purple and then back to grey. Then I went to make a new character in Prophecies and chose the grey colour for that armor (the same art). It seems to be a silver colour, instead of grey. I was wondering if anyone had noticed this for the other armor types, because I'm not sure if the colour of newly purchased armor is grey or that "character select silver". - BeXoR   19:08, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * Well I checked with some new armor and tried to dye it grey. It won't let you and says "The new dye color is identical to the current color" in red above "Apply" in the preview window. The starter armor was definitely lighter, so either the Mesmer starter armor from Proph dyes differently to the Ascalon Armor from Factions, even though they share the art OR the gray in the character creation menu isn't gray at all, but silver (which I suspect to be the case, though I haven't seen this listed anywhere officially). Maybe everyone already knew this but it's definitely news to me! - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 21:40, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * The grey in the character creation menu is silver. :)Haakon 05:35, 8 January 2007 (CST)
 * I too tested the Dye colors, and the seemingly "Gray" option is actually Silver, for every armor set in every profession. I wish they would include Black and White for at least starter armors, just as a tease as starter armor is absolutely worthless. << MagickElf666 22:07, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Starter Armor isn't worthles if you've got a 600 Monk ;)69.159.200.89 16:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Reorganization of Dye-related topics
Since the new dye system was just introduced with Nightfall, there's quite a bit of work to do to ensure that GuildWiki has a good encyclopaedic description of the way dye works. I propose a reorganization of the topics, with articles covering these topics as follows: Summary: What I'm proposing is that the article about the Vial should discuss only things about the vials, the dye panel should discuss only the panel itself, and that there should be a comprehensive guide that covers everything in between. --Qrystal 06:44, 30 October 2006 (CST)
 * Vial of Dye - should discuss only the vial itself, where to find it, how to use it (mentioning and linking to the Dye Preview Panel), and only a very brief mention about how to mix dyes (and, of course, a link to the place that discusses this in more detail). A section on "Vial of Dye (Mixed)" would also be useful, including mention of caution when buying such an item and noting the date on which this is no longer possible to make.
 * Dye guide - discusses the mixing of dyes, how dye works differently on different items, tips on how to achieve various colours, the history of dye mixing (noting how the professions used to have different base armor colour, and giving homage to those dye mixing charts that are now sadly obsolete), and emphasizing that the Dye Preview Panel should be used to evaluate a dye choice before confirming. The external links at the bottom of the Vial of Dye page are no longer helpful, but if new ones are made, the links would of course be included in this guide.  Examples of things that would be answered here:
 * Does dye order matter? (I guess this might need to be checked to see if it still does)
 * What happens if I mix two or more of the same colour?
 * Does the previous colour of armor matter in dying?
 * Can I still make "Vial of Dye (Mixed)"? Are my old ones still available for use in dying?
 * Dye Preview panel - expand this article stub to include as much as possible about the panel and how it works:
 * Can you rotate the character in the viewing panel? if so, how?
 * Do the oldstyle "Vial of Dye (Mixed)" still work with this new panel?
 * "See the Dye guide for more information on mixing dyes."
 * Maybe someone takes notice now ;) --Krushak 05:54, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Some mixes no longer possible?
Apparently, some colors/mixes are no longer possible. For example, it was possible to dye most necromancer armors a bright "blood" or "cherry" red with remover + purple + green + blue. Kurzick 15K fem necro armor

Substituting gray in place of remover in the mix above yields a bland blue-gray color. Red + black yields a faded red or maroon color. There doesn't seem to be a way to produce the bright red any more (at least, on necro armor). I've contacted ArenaNet about this, and they have no plans on updating the dye system to reintroduce these mixes.

Is there some other combination that will yield the exact same shade of red? Are there any other "broken" dye mixes now? Does anyone else want the broken mixes to be made available again? --M47715c00l 21:22, 29 January 2007 (CST)

Since when is it possible to mix two of the same dye together to make it darker? I saw it in the notes section. 132.203.83.38 22:14, 22 February 2007 (CST)

I dyed my Krytan Armor plain red and it was Brighter Red than the picture you uploaded. Have you tried just that? Or Red/Orange? ---MagickElf666 11:45, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

Monk KRYTAN/Pre-Collector's Armor


How do you get THIS color on Male and Female Monk's Krytan Armor:

According to the PVP Character Creation menu, this armor is dyed "BROWN" (or whatever color is equivalent to the BROWN DYE in CHAR CREATION). Can someone please clarify why I can't achieve this color? Or if anyone knows how to get this color, please share your secrets.

Dye ratio
I came up with the following basic percentage-based chart regarding dye drops (information collected across different characters, over a 3 month time span)
 * All dyes fall under 1 of 3 categories: Rare, Uncommon, and Common
 * Rare: Black and White dye -- These make up about 5% of dye drops (2.5% each)
 * Uncommon: Red, Blue, Green, Silver -- These make up about 40% of dye drops (10% each)
 * Common: Yellow, Brown, Orange, Purple -- These make up about 55% of dye drops (13.75% each)

This means that, if you farmed dyes non-stop until you got 100 dyes, you would most likely get 2-3 Black Dyes, 2-3 White Dyes, around 10 of each uncommon, and about 13-14 of each common dyes. My storage shows a very similar result to support my theory.
 * This can't be mathematically proven, but it is mathematically supported. I am not stating these are facts, but a mere experiment. Has anyone else done the same or noticed that certain dyes, such as blue and red, are considerably more scarce than yellow and purple, but still more common than Black and White??
 * While Dye farming in pre I've received 3 whites, 3 silvers...and 2 purple. Maybe I'm just lucky, who knows.24.58.210.63 00:48, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I always seem to get way more white drops than black drops also, in about a 3:1 ratio. Maybe I'm just unlucky, who knows.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 sig.jpg]] (T)(C) 12:32, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Most of the dyes I get are black dyes..

Gray Dye Scammers
"Note: Do not buy gray dye from anyone for more than 50 gold. Scammers often try selling it for 1 platinum. Do not trade with those people. You can get gray dye for 50 gold at any merchant"...hmm, i don't think so^^ that was the first few days with invention of the new colors and the dye preview, but that isn't true anymore or only very rarely. this should be changed or removed... -- Zerpha The Improver 09:04, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
 * It shouldn't be removed simply because people still try to scam others. Just because you don't see a scam happening doesn't mean it isn't. 142.161.74.28 21:34, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes they are still out there. One guy tried to sell me one today, said it was from when gw just came out lol. His IGN was King Zarthius.--[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px]] Lann 07:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Mean Dye Preview
So I'm playing with dye for my new armor and I put 2 red dyes in and get a really nice bright pink color. I buy the dye and then realize that while 2 reds != 1 red, I cannot actually dye it this color because the dyes cannot be the same color. So the preview window showed me a color i can't actually get and now I hate it. Anyone have tips on how to get my ranger amor to have 2 red dye color? &mdash; JediRogue  (talk |contribs) 03:11, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Two red dye is the same as one... --Skax459 16:19, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
 * No it isn't. Two, three, or four of something looks quite different than one by itself. To JediRogue, sometimes you can get a similar effect by mixing three of whatever color (red, in this case) and grey/white/black for a fourth, though obviously grey would be by far the cheapest way. Try lots of different combinations, it's often a lot of work to get just the right shade. :) Arshay Duskbrow 22:13, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, adding the same color twice in the preview window often gives a lighter version of that color considering the light and shadow effects better than just 1 color (where esp. a metallic item can look dull). Often noticed that while doing screenshots of weapons with different colors. It's a shame :( Should be my own business how many of the same color I add ^^ --Birchwooda Treehug 11:05, 9 July 2007 (CDT)
 * You definitely have something else in there
 * thats right...:( two colors => don't work but you can also see a color change...cool mixes that won't work ;(... -- Zerpha The Improver 20:59, 29 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Just a note - two silver dyes on my mesmer armor darkens it, but still one that can't be reproduced.Yukiko 08:33, 28 July 2007 (CDT)

Article Edit
I changed the following paragraph: "If you are wielding a 2 handed weapon (bow, scythe, daggers, hammer, staff) and try to dye a one handed item (wand, sword, axe, shield, offhand) the said item will not appear, as when wielding a 2-handed weapon anything wielded by the other hand is omitted." because if wielding a scythe, and you apply dye to a sword, wand, or axe, the said item DOES appear in the preview window, although Shields and Offhands do not. I changed it to what you see now. --MagickElf666 22:35, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Heket
Heket drop black dye so you can farm them as an alternative to other monsters.
 * Everything drops black dye. Why farm Heket when you can farm in Old Ascalon or something? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:38, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

Pink Dye
I saw someone in Droknar's Forge claiming they had two pink dyes appear as drops in the far shiverpeaks. Comments? aCynicalPie 18:34, 3 September 2007 (CDT)
 * It wold be a documented up date dont'cha think? :P THE imperialist
 * I doubt it. Unless there's a screenshot I would not put any faith in that...last time ANet introduced new dye colors (ie. brown), they told us so. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:38, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

An idea just slip through my mind...
At least I did :p －Sora 23:45, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * WTB Buy-back option. WoW has it, why haven't we? And no, I don't play WoW, I'm just well-informed ;) --[[Image:Progr.jpg]] -- talkpage 23:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * WoW player, jump him guys!

High End Trades
"Black dye is often used in pre-searing Ascalon for high-end trades."
 * Youre kidding right? Remove that trash from the article, there ARE no high end trades in pre searing.
 * I believe the economy of Pre-searing is somewhat separate from the post-searing economy - ask someone who plays pre-searing on a perma-pre I guess... Jennalee 10:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Trash huh? Do you have something to back that statement up. As far as I know a rare item such as black die can qualify for a high end trade of some form in a area like Pre.Alari 11:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)