User talk:Trevor3443/Build Talk:Mo/E SoA Sliver/Archive 2

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re-reverting
please stop mr. anon user. glyph of elemental power is already wikified on the page. it dosnt need to be linked twice.--Coloneh RIP 16:52, 6 January 2007 (CST)

Jerneh Nightbringer
I am just curious how do you simply get to Jerneh Nightbringer ??? i fall almost every time on hecket who kill me in a matter of half a second! And SoA is up so i was wondering how you manage this. And i not mention the heavy hex who slow you from 90%, so hard to make a single step that i have never saw the boss^^.
 * i've just looked up Jerneh, his boss page mentions that he also spawns in Marga Coast. I think this location is meant in the article, which would mean that you simply tried going to a wrong location. I'm gonna look for him in Marga Coast and maybe add a map to the bosspage... - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 16:14, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * wasnt that a bug? i thought they removed him from marga coast.--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 21:15, 10 January 2007 (CST)
 * I have go there with a full team and yes Jerneh spawn where it is supposed to do it, my problem is to go there alone since i am duty hexed with ice hex 90% slow and i cant finish my approach of the spot! How do yo manage this, is my question^^.
 * ok, i just tested it; Jerneh does NOT spawn in Marga Coast and in The floodplain of mahneklon it is not possible to reach him. - Y0_ich_halt
 * I managed to reach Jerneh in the Floodplains even with the hexing by just walking slowly and popping sliver whenever it turns on. Eventually, you'll break through the mass. Unfortunately, I died in the process of dealing with him due to a (irl) cat. >_<
 * that's why i added him back to the boss list. there are no problems reaching him, but while dealing with him SoA almost always gets interrupted and you die. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 03:10, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * Hmm. Now cat-free, I didn't really have a problem with getting SoA interrupted. Also, the spawn point is right next door, so it's not much of an issue.
 * was me who added the chor video, just not at my place right now - Y0 ich halt

Thx very much, i was began to think i was a great noob^^. I will try this build on another boss.

The Scar Eater
Im having trouble with the Oni's and their usage of Shadow Shroud. Am I supposed to aggro the oni's? I think i read somewhere that they help because of IAS. -user:divinechancellor


 * I have found it more useful to NOT aggro the Oni, you don't need them to kill the Scar Eater. - Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 21:16, 7 January 2007 (CST)
 * Most of the time if you get the onis its just best to re-zone --FireFox [[Image:firefoxav.gif]] 21:17, 7 January 2007 (CST)
 * Yea you're right :) Now i have dissenchantment to worry about XD (Seems like i got a lucky spawn) -User:divinechancellor

Shen, the magistrate
I've tried farming that monk, but whatever i do, i can't take her down. Even with 11 points in Earth Magic and Aftershock. - Y0_ich_halt  13:10, 8 January 2007 (CST)
 * I actually find it a bit too easy, easy enough for me to take out essence bond and bring a Signet of Capture and capture that elite o.O [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]( Trevor3443 ) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 20:16, 9 January 2007 (CST)
 * it somehow just won't work... you wanna party up and show me sometime? :) - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 07:56, 10 January 2007 (CST)


 * sure no problem, I will be on later, maby... 5:00 P.M. East time... I'll talk to you on your page. [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]( Trevor3443 ) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 15:30, 11 January 2007 (CST)

Simple Explanations Needed
First, do not flame me for being a newbie to farming please. I just need some answers before I use Elite spell Atomic Bomb! (colour me frustrated tonight :P) Thanks (really Thanks - there are some great people on this wiki) for bearing with me (no way meant to be a rant BTW, I'm just 3 months into the game...) -- Joseph C 17:52, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * 1: I quote: Aquire two scalp designs, one for Protection Prayers with a Superior Protection Prayers and another for Divine Favor. (Note that both headpieces must have a superior rune) This is needed to achieve 15 Divine Favor to strengthen the power of Blessed Aura. This will be explained in detail later.
 * This is not actually explained in detail later, and you cannot say the Usage section explains it in detail. Can we have a pointer here for beginners like myself? Also I have seen no difference. What is the DF Bonus I am looking for? (I know DF gives extra health for spells cast, but how does that help here?) In other words, how can I tell the bonus has "kicked in" when casting BS at the start like the article says?
 * 2: I am practising on Orosen, Tranquil Acolyte using the following skills, as recommended by this article, this Talk page, and Baron Will Scarlett's user page, but I cannot get him down too past half way. I think this is related to number 3. I use a Totem Axe with the CoA -50 Grim Cesta. (FYI I have no problems farming Wardens or Trolls as a 55 monk)
 * 3: Sliver Armor has a 30 sec recharge leaving ample time for people to regain health, I use Aftershock (see 2 above) but Orosen still pumps his health back up! Help!?
 * 4: I quote: You have 0.85 seconds (or one second, depending on how the game rounds its numbers) to recast SoA when it recharges before the old one expires; thus, this spell must be given higher priority than any other, including Protective Spirit.
 * 14 points in Protection gives 7 seconds of SoA when it has a 10 recharge time. Can someone please clarify the above quote for me?
 * 5: Overall, I just get the impression that someone should look at this article and think, "would a new person to Guild Wars understand what we are saying here?" - nothing against the author or contributors, however I hope I am explaining what I mean well enough here?
 * Well the 2 scalp is to boost blessed aura, that skill will make your SoA last longer. Well all your enchant.  Then with your totem axe will make it last even longer.  To kill with this build you need to round up as many foe as you can tank, the more you have on you the faster the boss die.  So I think your problem with Orosen is that you don't get enough mobs on you.&mdash; ├ A ratak ┤  18:02, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * I never tried it but since you have a free slot, you could try replacing your aftershock with glyph of renewal.&mdash; ├ A ratak ┤  18:07, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Hi, I am the writer of this build, and yes I too have problems with Orosen, he has high armor, and can be a pain to take down sometimes. It isn't impossible, but annoying. Also, if you pull too many groups, your chances of interrupts goes up (due to the mesmers). Sorry if I wrote the article too confusing for new people, I will have to re-write it (though Armond normally corrects my mistakes) after I post some builds I have on my computer. [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]( Trevor3443 ) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 19:00, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Thanks both so far. I pull 3 mobs on me including Orosen's and, as with you Trevor, I get some interrupts. I understand swapping the scalps changes the attrib points, but Divine Favor gives me no clues as to why a bonus should "kick in" hence why I am stumped. I'm not thick, but just need to understand - there must be something I should know, but have missed? I am enjoying the excitement of seeing a build work, or how it works, so I guess I should try Ghial or someone less painful than Orosen! (He was closest to outpost that came to mind) -- Joseph C 19:19, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * LOL - Ghial's worse! Hexed to death. Trying Spell Breaker next and if that doesn't work, I shall go Skill Capping for the double XP instead! BTW I have worked out that I get 35% longer enchantment with the scalp, then SoA stays in place longer... -- Joseph C 19:59, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Ok. The switching of the divine favor scalps is used for getting the most out of Blessed Aura. This combined with your 20% Enchant weapon, allows you to keep up SoA with about a second to re-cast it. If you didn't switch out the head pieces, then you have about .35 of a second to re-cast it, that's pushing it a little. And that's what you said above. With Ghial, and all the other bosses, read what is recomended next to there name, for Ghial, I bring mending and I forget Essence bond all together, I find the Balth Spirit is enough for energy. You will have -1 health degeneration, but spam Protective Spirit if your health gets too low. If you don't want to do that eather, Bring Mending and Watchful Spirit for +4 health regen. [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]( Trevor3443 ) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 09:47, 13 January 2007 (CST)
 * Thanks Trevor. I have managed to kill Lian, Dragon's Petal about 6 times (1 in every 3 or 4 attempts) using Aftershock and Watchful Spirit as the optionals. And you will be glad to hear I finally managed to kill Orosen, Tranquil Acolyte at last. Unfortunately neither boss dropped a thing! Shen, the Magistrate is tough as the mobs are very restricted in pulling I think. Finally, Ghial the Bone Dancer kills me as a 55 with health degen! I need practise and my skills don't recharge quick enough. Anyhow, got some ideas and will let you know how it turns out. (Probably try a 600 as I already have the armor) (FYI I have tried experimenting with Shield of Regeneration, and a Illusionary Weaponry/Ancestor's Visage/Sympathetic Visage setup but IW seems to take forever to get anywhere and SoR is handy but I prefer having Aftershock ATM) - Cheers - Joseph C 12:24, 13 January 2007 (CST)
 * I have never used the switching the head-piece trick so it is not necessary (I'm pretty sure its just a cushion for people who don't have the fastest connection). Orosen is probably not the best to start on. I recommend (if you can reach him) Chehbaba Roottripper or Lian, Dragon's Petal. Also I have found that Sliver Armor is not always the best offensive weapon for certain bosses. I'm glad that you use my page as a reference! Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 17:48, 13 January 2007 (CST)
 * Thanks for that, Baron. I always watch helpful user pages I stumble on! :P Sometimes Sliver likes to target others so I know what you're saying. Will look up Chebaba later. -- Joseph C 22:55, 13 January 2007 (CST)
 * Yup, Lian has to be the easiest boss to farm with this build, but you have to pull a lot of the warriors to deal a lot of damage to the boss. (I normally bring the warriors at the beginning to Lian trying to keep them aggroed though is the hard part). [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]( Trevor3443 ) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 11:13, 14 January 2007 (CST)
 * honestly, i think the easiest ist Ghial :) my skill setup is: (can also get orosen and ghial in one run with this) - Y0_ich_halt  [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 07:36, 16 January 2007 (CST)
 * Normally I just farm Ghial with 105 health and sometimes, I even take off an armor piece to raise my health to 180 so I don't have to bring health regeneration skills. I rely on Protective Spirit / SoA for the healing. [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]<font color="Darkblue">( <font color="Red">Trevor3443 <font color="Darkblue">) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 16:19, 18 January 2007 (CST)
 * The degen isnt enough to kill you if you use mending @ 0 heal. it will get you to like 30 HP then you use SoA and DF boost gets u 2 55 again... why does everyone freak out @ 3 pips of degen.  you dont need to have 105 health or 180 health. calm down ppl Echo ftw 18:47, 26 January 2007 (CST)
 * anyone freaking out? no? good. 3 pips is nothing to freak out. but as a 55 it is something to take care of, and things that you need to take care of should be avoided. and you have 2 optional slots anyways. so why not use them to make it easier? ghial will be killed with 1 sliver anyways. about 105hp: it's the same. it's not really neccesary, but SoA can be used with it, so why not go with 105? then you dont need the cesta. thats the advantage of this build: not much work til you can start farming. no elite, no special items. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 19:11, 26 January 2007 (CST)
 * *raises hand * I'm freaking out. I really don't like having more than 1 degen as a 55. I haven't gone 105 in ages, but I bet it wouldn't be nearly as bad. Generally, though, if I'm going 55 in a place with degen, I try to bring Mystic Regeneration or something. Or just go health regen 55. --Armond Warblade (talk) 21:23, 26 January 2007 (CST)
 * mystic is dervish and will therefore not work here :D and you should really try leaving that damn cesta out and using a better focus instead. you can even tank Burning then. with watchful healing. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 03:20, 27 January 2007 (CST)
 * I personally like Healing Breeze more than Watchful Healing. At 4 healing (3 from runes, +1 from the leftover point...your mileage may vary) it'll give +5regen (1 more than Watchful Healing) and, if you're in an area where WH will be broken, you're probably going to have PS/SoA broken as well. Same duration but HB is more expensive by 5e...but that shouldn't be a problem.
 * 'kay, your preference. btw i tried both and it seems mesmers tend to interrupt HB more often than WH... dont ask me why. maybe its just that they had used up their interrupts when i was using WH. i just hate the 10 energy for HB :) - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 03:27, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * And if you have +2DF swappable, you can boost HB up to +6. I usually just spam my stuff over and over so interrupts usually aren't a problem; Almost every time, HB is still active when I recast it. (At least, I think +6. I may have messed up my numbers.) Oh well. Whatever works...works! =P

Added in a varient build
I have posted this as its own build, but it got deleted due to the fact it was too similar to this build. It can be used to farm in area's with massive degeneration and or life stealing. It also works in current area's that the normal build works. I will add more bosses after I have tested them <font color="Darkblue">( <font color="Red">Trevor3443 <font color="Darkblue">) 19:02, 12 January 2007 (CST)


 * thanks for whoever is trying out the spirit bond build, I only tested it on the two that I started off with, and I see someone has added in an ele boss! :D. When I get on my other computer, I will have to try the spirit bond build in the last city in factions, Imperial Sanctum, to see if in the explorable area if farming those bosses is possible. [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]<font color="Darkblue">( <font color="Red">Trevor3443 <font color="Darkblue">) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 16:03, 18 January 2007 (CST)
 * i'd love to test it, but unfortunately i can't waste even more inventory space for another set of armor ;) once i've convinced my parents of buying another char slot for storage ill try that out ^^ - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 16:12, 18 January 2007 (CST)
 * I put armor in storage, and if its full, I put it on an account that I don't use through storage. :P [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]<font color="Darkblue">( <font color="Red">Trevor3443 <font color="Darkblue">) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]]
 * well... storage is full at all times; hate logging; everything explained ^^ - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 08:47, 19 January 2007 (CST)

Not good for Ghial
With the changes to Shield of Absorption, I think that it is going to be next to impossible to use it without getting intrerupted by the mesmers. --Curse You 23:39, 19 January 2007 (CST)


 * What were the changes? Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 23:46, 19 January 2007 (CST)
 * They increased cast for Shield of Absorption from 1/4s to 1s ... & they now 1st interrupt the Glyph then the Shield of Absorption -- Hunter
 * Has is not been changed on the Wiki yet? Cauze it still says 1/4 sec. Baron [[Image:Baron.JPG|25px]] 00:53, 20 January 2007 (CST)


 * The update is only for this weekend, I know it stinks, alot, but I am more intereted at this point in farming mobs with my ele for now, after the weekend I belve it will switch back :D [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]<font color="Darkblue">( <font color="Red">Trevor3443 <font color="Darkblue">) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 00:57, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * I finally managed to kill Ghial 8 out of 10 times using a 13hp build, so I am now a happy bunny. -- Joseph C 02:03, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * even with 1s casting time all the bosses in mt. qinkai should still work. they don't interrupt :] and who cares about ghial? - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 03:14, 20 January 2007 (CST)

That just looks bad all around. I haven't had much of a chance to test though, been a bit busy soloing Tombs of the Primevil Kings on my assassin. >.> --Armond Warblade (talk) 05:08, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * ok, ok, after this weekend all of the skills are reverting, no need to panic! :D [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]<font color="Darkblue">( <font color="Red">Trevor3443 <font color="Darkblue">) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 17:51, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * Well I found that out a short while after posting this. However, I was still curious as to wether anyone could still kill Ghial, or any of the Jade Brotherhood bosses, since the mesmers always seem to manage to interupt my sliver armor, which has a 1 second casting time. --Curse You 23:46, 20 January 2007 (CST)
 * no problems as long as you dont have any warriors on you... they can interrupt the glyph which must be used on both SoA and Sliver to avoid interrupts. but no warriors spawning is impossible i think ... uhm, wait, they can't interrupt it. but who interrupts the glyph then? mesmers only have interrupts vs spells - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 03:25, 21 January 2007 (CST)
 * It's called Signet of Disruption while you have a hex on you (from Ghial). --Curse You 22:12, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * ok, i didn't read the whole description... stopped after the word "spells" :) - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 01:41, 23 January 2007 (CST)

So now that it appears to be a permanent change, has anyone been able to solo Ghial? --Curse You 23:45, 1 February 2007 (CST)
 * AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH i dont wanna go back to regen 55ing T.T ... hmm maybe we can get SoA to stay active even longer...  :] - Y0_ich_halt  [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 07:43, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Im having trouble with this...
I tried to farm ghial with this build but after sliver armor is over ghial doesnt lose much health and the health he lost is regained from the ritualists.tell me im doing something wrong. i went by the build. is there another trick?i even took aftershock for added damage

Apu Of Kwik E
 * if you use the given attributes, skills and equipment there shouldn't occur any problems. put Essence Bond and Watchful Healing (Mending or Watchful Spirit will also work) in the optional slots to gain even more energy and survive the degen he causes. if the glyph gets interrupted wait until it is recharged, never use sliver without glyph. if one sliver isnt enough either continue or go looking for more mobs. i had a spawn of 4 ritualists right before... worked anyways after the 3rd sliver. if you still have problems contact me ingame (Gwendal Theyren) - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 10:26, 27 January 2007 (CST)

ok ill contact u in game i just didn know how sliver will kill ghial if the ritualists keep healing him between casts of sliver

Apu of Kwik E(Restoration Monk is my 55)
 * normally he will be dead with one sliver... he has 480hp, at 10 earth magic sliver deals 29 per attack; means 24dmg because of his armor. thats exactly 20 hits, which is reached fast. assuming there are 3 ritualists that heal ~100 each means about 12 more hits. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 16:19, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Ok i figured out the problem. i was confused about sliver and i thought it was like SoJ where he only gets damage if he attacked me. now i realize all the damage combined all goes to him because im getting attacked by the other brotherhood guys. this build really works now that ive gotten it! thanx very much! p.s. i also use mending because i really hate degen. i put healing prayers up to like 7 or 8 or something so i can get +3 regen to counter ghials -3 degen and it still works!

Apu of Kwik E
 * here's a tip: put those points from healing back to earth or divine favor or whatever you have lowered... just use Watchful Spirit if you have prophecies or Watchful Healing if you have nightfall. or even with no additional points in healing and therefore 2 pips regen the remaining -1 pip degen shouldn't be much of a problem. ;) - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 12:21, 28 January 2007 (CST)

Other Bosses
I managed to take down Kyril Oathwarden with Shield of Regeneration, Dismiss Condition and a +5 Healing Breeze with ~25% success. Further tweaking can probably increase the odds of success. [Ed. Ooookay...for some reason, I can't repeat what I managed to do earlier. O_o] [Ed.Ed. Hrms. Has to do with accidentally pulling the group on the side I think?]

Wiseroot Shatterstone can be dropped with the same build to take down The Scar Eater and is one group over.

Also managed to drop Miella Lightwing with a Mo/N using Spoil Victor, Life Siphon and Vampiric Gaze. Sliver Armor wasn't quite doing the damage needed. (Why those? I have four blood skills- and blood ritual's not going to help.) [Ed. Jaundiced Gaze is beautiful. Gaze...not so good. Awaken the Blood instead of Life Siphon may also be a good idea. SV'll do an extra 10 and JG an extra 5. Scourgewind can also be done with this if you can ditch the rot wallows.] -Pyn


 * the skills you mention are already in the variant section. and for the Mo/N variant see Baron's User talk page. just add the bosses you notice to the list, maybe add a note about recommended skills. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 07:48, 28 January 2007 (CST)

Robah Hardback, Jerneh Nightbringer, Buhon Icelord consistently downed with Stoneflesh, Glyph of Concentration and Healing Breeze, using Sliver to do damage. They seemed to have the habit of fleeing though, and with 90% slowdown, chasing them down for Sliver to work was annoying. SV might have more luck here. [Ed. Robah refused to attack once he was about a quarter, so he had to be dropped with other stuff... Running SV also has the advantage of being able to easily target the frigid kuskales, which stick the icy shackles on you.] -Pyn
 * the problem with SV is that this is a page for the sliver variant of the general SoA Monk. add bosses that you find soloable to the list and i'll surely sometime test them ;) .. oh, and please sign your comments here :) - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 06:58, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * Aye, just I don't see a specific Mo/N page listed under Category: Farming builds and figured this gets more visibility than the generic Mo/Any page as a result of the highly informative list of possible farmables. Though I suppose basically anything under the N/Mo build would be applicable. (Though, I must admit, I didn't even bother looking at the necro builds until now.) Also, it seemed like a good idea to note that it's possible but more efficient with another build. -Pyn

Nice Work
Just a couple of questions: firstly, why not Crystal Wave or Teinai's Crystal's over Aftershock? The Crystal spells ignore armor. Additionally, for Yetis in Qinkai, I found Mending Touch to work nicely instead of Watchful Healing, Dismiss Condition, etc. Crimson Butcher 09:32, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * Watchful Healing can also be used to keep your hp if you cant recast SoA because of knockdown (the warrior yetis kd you if you're attacking, which you have to do). thats why i prefer it. and it keeps you free from degen for more time. those traps are set up very frequent.
 * Aftershock has only half the recharge time, which is after 20 seconds (where crystal wave is recharged) more damage in total. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 11:21, 28 January 2007 (CST)


 * I just bring Watchful spirit and thats all. I don't bring any condition removal or health regeneration skills (besides WS) . I just bring my health higher(105 - 250). With that I just heal with divine favor whenever I cast my spells. [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]<font color="Darkblue">( <font color="Red">Trevor3443 <font color="Darkblue">) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 12:52, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * exactly. higher hp is great :) but the bonus im talking about under 1. only works with 105hp and less ^^ . btw: im changing the description for the spiritbond variant a bit. there are some things i think are worth mentioning. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 13:56, 28 January 2007 (CST)

Sliver
Why is that variant still here? It's been nerfed. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 13:04, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * what variant has been nerfed in what way and when? - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 13:52, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * I don't believe this has been nerfed. Mostly as I used it yesterday to pop a couple ghial's staves.  Lojiin 13:55, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * i just logged in to look after that. i've found nothing nerfed. not even an update. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 13:59, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * Probably means the Spirit Bond variant? Sure, it's been nerfed, but it can still supplement.
 * the spirit bond variant works even with the nerf to 10 attacks for spirit bond. after 10 attacks countered by sb SoA has lowered the damage taken to 0 and therefore makes you invincible again. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 06:46, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * I posted that varrient build there because it can counter life stealing/health degeneration. Spirit Bond it only used for healing and last long enough to reduce the damage recived to 0 through SoA. The build can run over 400 health so it needs Spirit Bond to heal meanwhile SoA does it's work. I have used it for the bosses listed, but I haven't bothered to look for more because I'm playing on my ele more than my monk currently. :P [[Image:Trevor3443_left.JPG]]<font color="Darkblue">( <font color="Red">Trevor3443 <font color="Darkblue">) [[Image:Trevor3443_right.JPG]] 22:30, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * sb is just perfect self-healing... 10 strikes worth of 96hp healing each <3 - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 07:22, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Scar Eater Video
Suggested: Swap out this video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3707315654731755224&hl=en for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=513nwsKPfpE, the last video is using a better and faster build, swapping glyph of concentration for glyph of renewal fastens up the run. And spirit bond is unneccesairy, than Smite Hex, Divert Hexes or Spell Breaker are better options. Zspanky 15:28, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * if you want. though i gotta admit, i like the old video better because of the music xD - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 06:53, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * Crappy musix on the first one... Zspanky 09:39, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * music is not really a reason, just switch it. (i think both are ok) - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 11:50, 29 January 2007 (CST)

Editing the Boss list
It has been suggested that we edit the boss list so it not only shows what bosses can be farmed but also what other builds would be more efficient. i'd keep it as it is, though :) - Y0_ich_halt  11:55, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * Its not the SoA Sliver build for nothing.. I Dont think its a good idea, if you want to go through with such an idea, you could post the best farming build for every boss. (You could post it at every boss' own page.) Zspanky 16:16, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * as i said, im for keeping it. just read the discussion up there. this suggestion came up somehow. not by me, though. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 16:20, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * Aye, I'll shut up now. ^^; -Pyn
 * :D ...though i think a page only for the Spoil Victor variant is missing on the wiki. - Y0_ich_halt [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 16:30, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * Well... there's the N/Mo version. Which I didn't notice until another message implied there's an SV version and I went looking for it. I figured that a note that SV may function more effectively for some bosses may have been appropriate as Mo/N SoA SV and Mo/E SoA Sliver with function off the same base setup, with switching the damage-dealing skills. (And that'll make three pages devoted to Mo/X SoA builds.) Any boss killable via Sliver is probably (though not definitely) killable via SV (and vice versa), it's just a matter of ease and efficiency. Or I could just be suffering from a lack of sleep and lost all coherency some time ago. -Pyn
 * im tired... gonna go to bed now... (23:16 here) ... cant think about this now... glad i can still write english...  -_-zzz g'night (still for keeping the boss list)- Y0_ich_halt  [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 17:11, 29 January 2007 (CST)

Videos
i'm not really happy with that new video... my reasons: 1.: i think it should be shown how to reach the boss 2.: youtube videos are smaller in screen size and worse in quality than google ones :)> 3.: I'd rather see a whole video for one boss than one video skipping running parts for three bosses. (but i gotta admit: the cutting is well synchronized with the music :d ) please don't feel offended. i'm just thinking of what i'd like to see as someone only looking for new farming possibilties or someone completely inexperienced in farming. - Y0_ich_halt  13:53, 31 January 2007 (CST)


 * True. I'll make some new tapes tomorrow, but I prefer YouTube, because I'm working with PowerDirector Premium Edition, which has a special feature, which allows you to upload video's to YouTube, directly from PowerDirector. But the running part for the last 2 bosses will be pretty long & boring, and you are able to kill them all in the same run. Zspanky 16:40, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * -The song was a few seconds to short... ;(
 * well... i use gamecam and movie maker. btw is klicking two or three buttons really worth the bad view..? and for the running part look at my chor vid... that really sucked. i wanted to cut that part. but i decided to keep the video as i captured it ingame. also fit the music better :)
 * the thing with the three yetis is the same btw. i always do them in one run. - Y0_ich_halt  [[Image:Y0_ich_halt_logo.jpg|15px]] 08:24, 1 February 2007 (CST)