File talk:NightfallLogo.gif

do we have rights to use that? --Honorable Sarah 14:13, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Was it in a press release? If so, then it should be available.  If it's just copied off of their site without getting permission from ArenaNet first, then we need to ask for permission to use it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 14:45, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Unless someone can point out where we got permission to use this (AFAIK it was not in w/ the press release), I will delete it tomorrow morning. --Rainith 21:03, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


 * It's available from the Korean site. Delete it if you wish but know that it is within the boundaries of fair use. Bryan121 01:58, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
 * I would be curious if you have specific legal information, or you've just heard from someone who saw someone on some message bord define fair use? I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I would want to ensure that you have a propper legal point of reference that can be confirmed.
 * The problem with this content, and the reason we've deleted it in the past, is ArenaNet's policy on its use:
 * Can I use the art from your official site on my fansite?
 * We have a Fansite Kit for your use, but the use of anything outside of items offered in the kit requires approval by ArenaNet. For instance, our navigation bar, borders, customized game images, or section headings are intended for use exclusively on the official Guild Wars site. If you have questions, please contact us.
 * The above is on the english site. Not sure about the Korean site.  I did check the fansite kits last night, and they haven't, as yet, added the nightfall logo to it. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 08:40, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

suggesting name change
i think we should keep a naming scheme for this images, and following the factions scheme i suggest Image:GW_Nightfall_Logo.gif for this image 15:53, 1 August 2006 (CDT)

Fair use
Since Barek asked, fair use, as defined by US code title 17, section 107:
 * Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—
 * (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
 * (2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
 * (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
 * (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
 * The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

The law is intentionally vague, but the gist is basically "don't make money off it or make copies of large works just to hand out to people for free." --68.142.14.106 10:16, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Regardless of what the fair use clause says, as an official GuildWars fansite we obey to ArenaNet's guidelines, strictly. See the excerpt of ANet's fansite policy that Barek quoted in the first section. Our Image use policy clearly says that fair use doesn't apply to images from official sites, except those in the fansites kit. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 10:36, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
 * FYI: I've sent an email to ArenaNet asking for permission to use the image. I will post when I receive a reply (seems to be a 2-4 day turnaround based on prior similar requests I've made). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:51, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * As I said, I brought it up since Barek asked. I won't argue against the wiki's wishes to follow ANet's fansite policy.  But, any policy anywhere doesn't change what is and is not fair use.  --68.142.14.106 11:01, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I'm going to delete it now, even though there is still an ongoing conversation, as I would rather err on the side of caution. That plus the fact that if we get permission it will be easy to get another copy.  If we do get permission, please don't use GIFs use JPEGs.  --Rainith 11:15, 2 August 2006 (CDT)