Talk:Kepkhet's Refuge

Wow, that's one hell of a good staff for a boss in a "normal" explorable area. Gotta get me one of those! -- 17:42, 3 March 2006 (CST)
 * It's a classic staff for active prot in PvP. Never seen a perfect staff like that in PvE, though :) Shandy 18:17, 3 March 2006 (CST)
 * Well, the closest you can get is the staff from Nord Stonegrimm equipped with a perfect Insight head and a perfect Enchantment wrapping. But this one is better IMO, because of the requirement in Divine Favor, which is much more likely than Smiting for a protector. -- 18:23, 3 March 2006 (CST)
 * I am going to kill that thing all day long!! Byebye Yakslapper!! :D 212.158.245.101 18:58, 3 March 2006 (CST)
 * I could have sworn i logged in 18:59, 3 March 2006 (CST)

Tried 3 times and got smiting staffs and stuff dropped :p got about 4 golds though Oo +5 energy staff and I got a 16/8 +7vs earth defender, don't ever remeber drops being that good :D 23:45, 3 March 2006 (CST)


 * Record your drops! This may be a good way to verify if drop rates are adjusted dynamically. -- 00:58, 4 March 2006 (CST)
 * What makes you think the drop rate won't be adjusted manually during the first month it came out? d-: -PanSola 01:11, 4 March 2006 (CST)


 * I've gotten 3 Refuges so far from the Queen. The first came on my 4th run, the other 2 came while showing Guildmates that I can farm the Queen with me and 3 henchmen, do it easily, and live. :D
 * Got one of them tonight actually. While that was going on, another guildie was with a PuG and he said 2 dropped at the same time. --Gares Redstorm 10:46, 7 March 2006 (CST)

Image Credits
I'm sure I missed some discussion somewhere, but are we generally giving credit for images now? What's up with that? (My instinctive thought was that it's fairly un-wiki and unnecessary, but if the community has decided images should be credited to people, I guess that's the way it is.) --JoDiamonds 01:14, 8 March 2006 (CST)
 * That was me. It is correct that usually we don't give credits. If you upload an image you check if there are copyrights. If not: No credits.
 * But in this case, I uploaded a screenhot that I found on the web. I uploaded the image without asking back with the "owner", because the owner posted it on several forums and an auction website, so I guess the image is "public domain" and the owner can no longer claim any copyrights. (There are no copyrights for screenhots anyway.) But even though legally it is not required I wanted to give credits because it wasn't "my" screenshot and the "owner" put some edit work into it. It's a netiquette thing for me. :) -- 01:38, 8 March 2006 (CST)
 * "some edit work"... you mean cropping? o_O -PanSola 01:41, 8 March 2006 (CST)
 * To me, image credits are an invitation for vandalism and battling of multiple copies of an image being uploaded. If there's any question where an image may require a credit, I think the wiki is better off making it's own screen capture, rather than pulling one from the public domain.  --161.88.255.140 01:42, 8 March 2006 (CST)
 * Any GW contributor is invited to upload a new screenshot that he took himself and remove the credits. That's always the best solution, off course! -- 01:45, 8 March 2006 (CST)
 * A couple people in my guild have this item. I'll get one of them to either get me the screen shot, or to upload it themselves. --161.88.255.140 02:08, 8 March 2006 (CST)
 * Note: It appears that I can't upload it myself without a log-in account, and my account is mucked up at the moment (see Software & Technical Issues/Bugs). So, hopefully I can get someone else in my guild to upload a clean image. --161.88.255.140 02:20, 8 March 2006 (CST)

Comparison with the 'Slapper
At first I thought this is obviously better than The Yakslapper, but, on reflection, most important prot spells (Reversal of Fortune, Shielding Hands and Protective Spirit) cast nearly instantly anyway. It may be a good help with Aegis, and that's about it. I'll take reduced Deep Wound duration over a possibly quicker Aegis. The only thing hugely in favor of this staff is that it's already down to 5-7k range whereas the Slapper keeps hovering around 15k. 16:09, 5 March 2006 (CST)


 * It seems to be more useful to a passive Protection Monk with casting time on a average of 2 secs. But it can also be useful to an active Protection Monk as most Protection Elite skills are on average 1 second. That increasing time could mean the difference in your elite being disrupted. --Gares Redstorm 10:37, 7 March 2006 (CST)