User talk:Dirael

Smash Wiki stuff
I'm putting this here so I can respond to your posts (hopefully) without getting extraneous comments from other users. If after we've discussed it you would like to move it that is fine. Anyway, the point about the rollback before sysop was an idea based on Semicolon's RfA proposal whereby a current sysop or bureaucrat would need to approve the nomination before allowing the user the ability to run for sysop. This is only necessary due to the ridiculous number of pointless RfA's that popped up last June. This was why Randall eventually shut the whole thing down. You know my feelings on this, so I won't go into them further here. To prevent the useless number of RfA's that would pop up, I thought that there needed to be some kind of mechanism to prevent that. I wasn't foreseeing there being the same speech/vote process that there was for RfA in RfR's. I'll see what I can do about ironing out the process. Also, the reason that I feel that seeing what people do with the rollback status will show somethings about how s/he will act as a sysop. If the person uses the rollback powers as a way of making an edit war easier and try to say that they can do that as a rollback, it's a good sign that if s/he is made a sysop s/he will misuse the tools. Also, I had hoped that there would be more discussion before we just up and did the RfRs. I did the RfB as directly told to by Kirby King, and modeled it off the RfAs. KP just up and made the RfRs without consulting anyone simply because he wanted it. As for your question about someone becoming a bureau without becoming a sysop, I don't see the reason that someone, in an established wiki such as ours, should be simultaneously given adminship and the ability to confer said adminship in one feel swoop. It's really a minor point, and I mostly did it for the sake of consistency with what the established ideas on the wiki are. If the community wants it changed, that's fine. I hope this answered most of your questions. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the part about using it to stem the pointless RfA's make sense (enough for me to not WoT, anyway :P ). But it brings up an important point. There are quite a few users on SmashWiki that I would not ever trust to be an administrator (Oxico, KPerfekt are the ones on the rollback page atm) but I would fully trust with rollback rights. Therefore: Are you giving rollback only to people who could possibly be considered for sysop, or are you using it as a reverting tool? Because I don't really see how it could be used for both; users like KPerf who likely not ever get sysophood can make as many pointless RfA's as he wants, because he could be trusted with rollback.
 * I still don't get how rollback shows the whole trust thingy. If they abuse rollback, they could have just as easily abused the undo button; if they don't abuse the undo button, what's the point of wasting the time to see whether or not they abuse rollback? :/ (This assumes that rollback is used as anti-vandalism and not sysop req.)
 * I was under the impression that you were going to be the one making the RfR page, which is why I let the subject die out; I was waiting until you made the page before I criticized it too much :P
 * I agree that admin -> bureau is a minor point, even if I disagree with what it is. It's unlikely enough that a candidate that would be considered for both at the same time that I don't feel compelled to make a novel over it. If I'm going to pick my battles, this wouldn't be one of them. --Shadowcrest  21:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I see your points here. The rollback before sysop was just an idea I had and threw out.  It hadn't even been discussed before KP (now rightfully blocked) up and did it.  As for the sysop before bureau, the reason I have that as a limit is that if someone who shouldn't be a sysop was made a bureau they could just up and make themselves a sysop.  As for the current RfAs and RfRs, I'm trying to get to them in time.  This week is pretty open for me so I should be able to get to a lot of it (hint: expect a new tool to fall into your lap).  I'll try to clean up the RfAs.  The RfBs probably aren't going to be of importance, as Sky and Fyre have shown no interest (and even some disinterest) and Randall and Charitwo have failed.  Any input you have on the RfA's would be great.  Also, don't use the e-mail me feature.  It goes to a phantom account of mine.  I almost never check it.  If you need to contact me, get my full name (be creative, you'll find it) and use the format "first-last@uiowa.edu" and you'll be able to reach me.  Thanks Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 02:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't fail, it was pretty much an involuntary withdrawal because of IRL issues (women and all). But I would have liked to have put more effort into it if I was able to. I just wanted someone to get the position, and it seems you were the perfect person to fill the shoes. --Charitwo (talk) 03:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Short version
* are Clarinet Hawk's points, ** are rebuttals, etc.
 * Implement rollback as a sysop requirement in order to reduce the # of RfA's from users that aren't qualified for anything more than a revert tool.
 * If rollback is only granted to candidates that could potentially be sysops, the # of poor RfA's stays low but users that can benefit from rollback (the revert tool) but should not have sysophood don't get rollback.
 * If rollback is granted to all users won't abuse it as a RV tool, combating vandalism is easier for a lot of people but the # of unqualified RfA's will be back at it's previous standard.
 * The process for rollback should not be an all-out RfA style nomination.
 * Rollback makes for a good "test period" to make sure users w/ rollback won't abuse sysop tools.
 * Users that abuse rollback could have abused reverts just as easily with the undo button, so denying rollback is nothing special.
 * Users that don't abuse the undo button will in all likelyhood not abuse rollback, thus wasting the trial time.
 * Adminship should be a requirement for bureaucratship.
 * Their jobs are too different to make one a pre-requisite for the other.

Extraneous comment
Using RfR this way is an oblique way to adress a problem that'd better be solved directly one way or another (or that's sized up wrong). --◄mendel► 06:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Does Bureaucrat at Smashwiki somehow not have access to sysop tools? That seems extraordinarily unlikely. You cannot say a bureaucrat's role is different from that of a sysop when a bureaucrat is ALSO a sysop. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 06:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * All current bureaucrats are sysops, but theoretically it is possible to be one and not the other. See [here]. --◄mendel► 06:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a kind of weak bureaucrat status... unaffected by rate limits. Neat. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 06:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

so i herd
Lord Shadowcrest Failmore III is moving up in the world. :> (T/C) 04:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * U herd rite tbh. Though it's only rollback :P --Shadowcrest  04:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * When you consider that the only person who is in rollback group on GuildWiki is me, that's quite a promotion :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So I herd u liek rollback rights.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 04:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There are 2 on Smashwiki, but it's tacked on to sysop. Quite lame :P --Shadowcrest  04:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

First
Supposed to be, at least. 05:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk archive 5 is filled with red links of wub. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Laziness always comes back to bite you in the ass, doesn't it? --Shadowcrest  05:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice fix. :p There's nothing wrong with laziness, I like to blame MediaWiki code instead. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would, except I know for a fact it broke because I typed out /placeholder instead of User talk:Shadowcrest/placeholder, so it doesn't really work here :P --Shadowcrest  05:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Promotion Party
Cheers, and thanks to everybody who congratulated me! --◄mendel► 06:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Awesome! --Shadowcrest 06:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, one doesn't get promoted every day! --◄mendel► 06:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

lolwut imo
nobody sent me a log. wtb. --Shadowcrest 15:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Get on irc if you can. --◄mendel► 15:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's over. User:Warwick the Second. Best possible way. --◄mendel► 16:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * K well I just woke up, so logs are coming. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate it and like and such as. Wtb CoF and talk tonight :) --Shadowcrest  20:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No CoF like and such as, I've had enough of this staying up late crap. I'm in college after all, I need to turn my life around and like, focus on school. >.> First step for that is to stop waking up past noon and thus missing my morning (and some afternoon) classes. Second part is to do some homework instead of always logging on GW and/or IRC (but Wiki is okay - that's my job after all). Thirdly is starting homework before the very last hours before it's due. I did that for my term paper and it was a piece of crap tbh.
 * So yeah, we'll CoF eventually, but only when I have some real free time. Sorry. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I also wtb logs. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I can do CoF with a hero if I need the money that bad, I really only ask because you need ectos/money :p --Shadowcrest  20:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I need ectos, not money. I mean, you can buy ecto for 5k or such, but I prefer to earn them, or buy them at discount price from generous players. It feels like a waste to pay for full price ecto. Oh and in any case, zkey ~= ecto, so I'll have them by this weekend at any rate. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It'd save time to just get the money via CoF and just buy them, especially considering our terribad ecto drop rates :p --Shadowcrest  20:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

600/Smite >>>>> 55
4srs, unless you're running Great Burning Chicken (T/C) 13:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yarly. 55 only wins when you're too lazy to find another person or bring a hero. --Shadowcrest 15:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So I cleared CoF in HM as the 600 with Hero Smiter. No deaths. Jajaja [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:19, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * gtfo imo --Shadowcrest  15:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You should be happy, this means I don't have to share my crappy droprates with you anymore. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:21, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This means I have to lrn2hero, which may not work at all, since I'm just that terrible. --Shadowcrest 15:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * When I left, I was but the pupil, now I am The Master, etc. Now I want to know what Viper does. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

don't ban yourself just because you want to take a break
It just unnecessarily adds entries to the RC, AND add more when you actually want to do something. When you wanna go on a break, just be on a break. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 03:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * So we don't do "user request" bans any more? --◄mendel► 07:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a "user request", though, not initially. Salad only said that over IRC and he was being stubborn. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 09:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Addendum: There's no need to "crucify" yourself for teh posts that you made, coz you weren't posting from the best of mindframes (frustration etc.), you were not being intentionally malicious, no lasting harm was done, etc. and I think you are being too hard on yourself for making pretty human mistakes. So basically, this block doesn't do any good for anyone, is my opinion. Besides, beating oneself up is my job :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * " Besides, beating oneself up is my job :) " Wait, then what did you hire me for? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:12, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ...we did user request bans?
 * For the record, I wasn't just taking a break, and I wasn't just /rage'ing either. Those were part of it, but certainly not the entire part. I was angry at myself for getting angry on wiki, and I'm srsly tired of being an ass, yet it keeps happening.
 * ...and without the ban, I would have been back in a couple hours, so :p --Shadowcrest  21:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're being overly self-conscious. Nothing you've said, to my mind, comes across as asshole-ish. And I have max experience level in asshole. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been called an asshole in 12 different languages. Top that.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]îğá†ħŕášħ  23:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Events
Before you post any replies on Wiki, I'd rather you discuss stuff on IRC first. (IRC != Wiki but it will avoid unnecessary confusion/spam.) (T/C) 05:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Reverse Psychology
Why don't you tell me what you envy about me? Or if envy isn't the right word, why you look up to me? What do you find about me that is desirable? What do you seek to emulate? Why am I a role model to you? (I heard that you said Auron is your role model, but that is incorrect, because you were clearly referring to me.) I think that by thinking along such lines, perhaps you will find the answers to the question were inside you all along, of why I'm popular and such.

If you don't want to discuss it here (public wiki is public) then use IRC or something. (T/C) 08:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In my experience as a psychologist, girls tend to be desirable :P[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 16:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * See? I'm right :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  16:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Or are you wrong? Since apparently the header makes things go all reversy. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 17:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm....
So this is where you get many of your subpages from on SmashWiki. I see. By the way, are you an admin here? It seems like it.Smorekingxg456 (Talk)15:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, Shadowcrest is a vigilante vandal-killer whose powers are inherited by divine right. He holds the Mandate of Heaven, and none dare cross him. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 16:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That answers that question.Smorekingxg456 (Talk)17:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, this is GuildWiki. I'm also a sysop here. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop failing
And fix IRC. I keep getting G-Lined.--Łô√ë <font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 00:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I missed what you're saying. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  00:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Wintersday Userbox!
To commemorate the effort you've put into preparing GuildWiki for our Wintersday celebration, I have created a special userbox at Template:User Wintersday:

Wear it with pride! <3 09:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Salad
giver me ops bak. &mdash; Warw/Wick 15:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You should never have had them. And btw, this was a collaborative decision. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  15:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I responded via email. --◄mendel► 23:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

User groupies
Member of: Autoconfirmed users, Users, Bureaucrats, Sysops, emailconfirmed, rollback (User group rights)

I told you it exists. But it seems there is no way, even for Bureaucrat, to access that list and see who is on it. (T/C) 05:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mendel told me that emailconfirmed existed on IRC earlier, but then discovered there's no way to prot for only emailconfirmed. We should ask Kyle? --  Shadowcrest  05:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you think the issue is going to be that serious, then sure. At least we would be "getting involved with Wikia". :P Why this is funny. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be willing to ask out of sheer curiosity tbh. :P --  Shadowcrest  05:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The Sleeping Giant Awakens
Hi, I'm back Shadowcrest, after a four month hiatus, I finally reinstalled Guild Wars. Culprits of my absence include Smash Bros, Left 4 Dead, Fallout 3, and Spore. But, anyways just wanted to say hi, and congrats for being super super super admin. (I figured you would have that by now lol)... --Darunian 19:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Can you get on now?
Plz? I finally re-installed Guild Wars and want to give you my gift.-- (Talk) (Contr.) 03:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also looking to deliver a gift to you before the party, can you pm me in game (The Enchanter Zur) whenever you're online and free? --[[Image:Sandaljack.icon.png|Clamiam]] Sandaljack 17:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Three Wise Norn map
hehe, beat me to it by 30 seconds!! Had just crop it up and about to upload when saw your update. Just goes to show brilliant minds think alike... or is it fools never differ? ;) --Wolfie (talk|contribs) 03:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If yours is better, by all means upload it, I won't be offended :P
 * And definitely brilliant minds. :D --  Shadowcrest  03:16, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As it happens, mine is exactly the same as yours (except used letters instead of pink dots to denote NPC locations). And yes, quite right, brillant minds, completely agree. --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 03:19, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Check your e-mail
When you wake up. Raffle stuff. 08:03, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Raffle tix
Hello there, saw you were handling raffle ticket sales due to Felix being away...would like to buy a couple, but I'm unsure how to contact you in game...a lil help, please. I can be contacted in game as 'Dosearius Takerius'.--Dosearius 14:58, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Look/click here. --◄mendel► 22:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

oh shit
Did I miss the party? Dangit!-- (Talk) (Contr.) 04:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Can I at least know who got my gift?--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you not check your e-mail or something? Also, my buttons dissapeared again ><Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho.]]<font color="Red">îğá <font color="Green">†ħŕášħ  20:18, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I never got an email.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A response would be nice, Shadow...--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

UglyFox
FF sure makes things look ugly compared to IE imho, especially on this site (although I know some of it is because my .css is designed for IE). I was feeling moderately inclined to get it, but much less so now. :\ While I usually value performance over appearance (*cough*Vista Aero*cough*), I find the site is plain harder to navigate like this, and that's unacceptable. Sigh. (T/C) 00:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you make a screenshot and circle the areas of ugliness on it and post it, please? --◄mendel► 00:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In FF, the text looks pixelly and crapified... that's why I don't use it, looking at RC is a pain in the ass. What are you referring to? --  Shadowcrest  00:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hit Ctrl-+ for bigger text? --◄mendel► 00:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * To get the text to the same readable size that I am used to, I have to sacrifice resolution, so that makes everything else on the page huge by comparison. Resulting in unnecessary exercise for my scroll fingers. (Also, Vivaldi font is not supported.)
 * There are other random things that irritate me but since this isn't "my" computer I'm not at liberty to make a screenshot etc. (Stupid user permissions lock...and no, I'm not willing to make a .bat hax file to get around them) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it be possible to alter the whole wiki's text to a bigger font, without zooming in on everything? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

stop being afk
and get back on gw plz. Cress Arvein 23:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

documentation
wanna document the result of your findings so when other admins have the same question they won't have to test again? -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 21:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure.
 * Auto-block should only last a day, no matter what the duration was of the ban on the account. Logging into the account reapplies the block as far as I can tell- staying off of the blocked account should prevent the auto-block from reapplying itself. -- Shadowcrest  21:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Shussh, don't reveal the results of the tests! It might reveal our master plans. :C
 * I had Salad test, Pan, since I was curious about how detrimental it actually was to check the box "Also block the last known IP of this user". I tend to not use it because I don't like blocking innocents, but this seems to imply that it is relatively harmless (as long as the blockee doesn't keep browsing every day of their ban, anyway) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:16, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly sure autoblock reapplies itself when the blocked account tries to edit. One thing you need to watch out for, though, is if the blocked user is for whatever reason unblocked, you'll need to go un-autoblock the IP, as autoblocks prevent anyone using that IP, even other registered users, from editing. This page has more info.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 21:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

mpooca
<3 &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 17:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I know right <3 --  Shadowcrest  17:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Rosalie
In the Netherlands, and thus in my English pronounciation, it would be Rose-ah-lie. Thought you might want to know. I was the one who voted explain on talk. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 18:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought you were asking about the Pokemon -_- [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed that they are anagrams today when I was sitting bored during drivers ed today <3 --  Shadowcrest  23:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You want to know a good anagram? Handel's Messiah -> Hai Mendel's ass. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You lost an 'h' in there. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Mendel's HASS (Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences), obv [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hah I mendel's ass. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 00:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In my mother tongue, "Hass" means hate. -- ◄mendel► 00:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As a verb? So it could mean "Hi, hate mendel [prz]?" --  Shadowcrest  00:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "Hass" is a noun; the verb is "hassen" and has several inflection forms. -- ◄mendel► 01:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * BARACK HASSEN OBAMA '12 [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Damn, Entropy just made me realize that come 2012, we won't be able to say "oh-eight" or "oh-nine" anymore. And "ten" or "twelve" sounds crappy.
 * "Obama twelve!" just has no ring to it. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've actually heard people say "oh-twelve". It makes me sad. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)We will have to resort to "tewnty-twelve", which has slightly better ring to it, even if it does sound like eleventy-seven or something dumb like that. Also, yes very very sad. oh-twelve FTW?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  04:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ro-sa h -lee (or -li). Accent + dialect = ftw. Dutch is full of crap, too. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  12:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)