Talk:Guide to defeating doppelganger/Archive

Changes to the Doppelganger
Just been helping a friend fight the doppelganger, and some of the info is out of date. For one thing he says it used healing breeze. Could anyone else comment on this? 01:55, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * I just tested it: With me the Doppelganger still doesn't use Healing Breeze for ordinary healing, however he does use it to counter health degeneration such as bleeding. --Eightyfour-onesevenfive 02:49, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)

why can't this all just be in the Doppelganger article? Nuble 15:35, 30 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * It used to be. I took it out because it is very subjective information and every other day some guy was going in and changing a "tactic" or marking a tactic as "no longer useful" and I felt it completely messed up a very simple article about what the doppleganger is and what you are supposed to do about it. I think moving this stuff into a separate article (which is linked to the main article) is the best. --Karlos 17:09, 30 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * not that i'm against this or anything, i just don't think this is how wiki articles should work. i mean, when you look around wikipedia, you won't find a single article titled "How to fix a car" or "Guide to HTML" or such. besides, the doppel article isn't that long anyway. with proper usage of sub-titling and sub-sub-titling it shouldn't really "mess up" the article, no i honestly don't think so. Nuble 14:00, 31 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * Yeah, you do. 01:55, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)


 * Syntax Error: Invalid Example Used (Abort/Retry/Ignore)? :) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we are not just an encyclopedia about the game. We are also a hints, tips, how-to site. So, I do not believe the comparison stands. If we were simply an encyclopedia like Wikipedia then we should delete all "Guide to" and "how to" articles because Wikipedia does not have that kind of info. --Karlos 16:22, 31 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * " then we should delete all "Guide to" and "how to" articles" : exactly. this is a wiki, and the way a wiki works is that when a user enters a subject he is interested in, he is presented with an article on that subject, complete with all relevant information, plus "wiki links" that may lead him to other related articles. in this case, a user enters in "doppelganger", gets a doppelganger article, and have to wikilink himself to ANOTHER doppelganger article in order to find tips on how to defeat his mirror. bad example or whatever aside, i still don't understand why all these aren't just included inside Doppelganger, as per my original question. of course everything that's written here is subjective, just how the Usage Notes of skill articles are. Nuble 04:25, 1 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * In Wikipedia, if you look up Welsh, it will tell you everything about Welsh, but NOT how to learn Welsh and to learn Welsh coming from German vs how to learn Welsh coming from Spanish. That is what this Doppelganger guide is. It is completely subjective "how to" info similar to "how to learn German form Chinese" which you will never find under eithe "German" or "Chinese" in Wikipedia. That is all I have to say here. I am starting to feel like a camel (regurgitating). :) --Karlos 08:14, 1 Sep 2005 (EST)

I verified that the doppelganger is still able to use sword and hammer skills, so I reverted the anonymous edit. --Fyren 14:10, 26 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Removed some of the last anonymous edit because it was plain wrong (the doppelganger has 16 in all attributes, it does not mirror your attribute setup), seemed like a bad idea (illusion of haste + fragility, even before fragility got changed), or dealt with elites you get after the desert. --Fyren 11:29, 3 Oct 2005 (EST)
 * Verified that the doppelganger does not simply use skills in the order they're on your bar. --Fyren 16:28, 4 Oct 2005 (EST)

None-matching revisions
ehh?? check these:

http://guildwiki.org/wiki?title=Guide_to_defeating_doppelganger&diff=41310&oldid=41241

http://guildwiki.org/wiki?title=Guide_to_defeating_doppelganger&diff=41345&oldid=41310

those are the last 2 edits =S Skuld &Dagger; 01:13, 19 October 2005 (EST)


 * You fixed a typo in the paragraph I put. What you didn't know was that I put it twice (under monk and under necro), you fixed the one under necro, and since I knew I had copied that and pasted it into monk, so I went and fixed monk. The paragraph you're looking at is in two different sections. --Karlos 04:05, 19 October 2005 (EST)


 * That explains it ^^ Skuld &Dagger; 06:27, 19 October 2005 (EST)

Latest notes
I took out the one about attunement because it was benign. An attunement spell casts in a second or two and costs only 10 energy and lasts for a minute. It's not exactly a big waste of energy. Also, is it proven that the doppelganger actually can run out of energy. As someone posted before I suspect computer controlled mobs do not run out of energy.


 * You may be correct on energy being unlimited; but if the player equips with Fire Storm, Flare, and other fire magics, then it's safe to equip with the attunements from the other three. They are only 2 second casting times each, but total six seconds of time wasting combined.  They're harmless to the player in this mix, so they can give the player a slight time advantage at no real detriment.


 * Note: If the AI trully has unlimited energy, then the tip to equip with skills that cause exhaustion should also be pulled as it would be misleading.

I took out the note about Lava Font because, given the regular AI of mobs, the computer will not just cast it even if there is no one around. In explorable areas, the computer will run up to you then use it. Why should the doppelganger be any different?

If anyone can verify either note, they are welcome to put them back. --Karlos 12:13, 4 November 2005 (EST)


 * I think Mr. Anonymous just meant you can run out of the lava font. But that's the same as the first elementalist tip anyway.  --Fyren


 * You're right, this was redundant.

Self-buffs lasting through the cut scene?
Hi everyone, just ascended for the first time, very easy to kill the doppelganger with a Ranger :) I tried to cast Poison Arrow before the cut scene, and it wasn't there after the cut scene, so maybe things have changed with the last updated. Or maybe this only works with some skills? --SDC 15:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The cutscene happens in real game time. So if you cast healing breeze or whatever then chances are it's going to be gone by the time the cutscene is over.  If you cast something like Aura of Restoration, however, it would most likely still be there by the end of the cutscene.  You can also skip the cutscene. --Chuiu 16:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Doppelganger melee
I noticed while testing something with a W/E that the doppelganger wasn't dealing physical damage in melee. I switched over to an E/Me and found, using mantra of lightning, that it was doing lightning damage. The doppelganger's bow attacks were not affected by any of the elemental mantras, though. I didn't try to verify that the arrows were physical. --Fyren 14:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Killer mo/me build
backfire, empathy, illusion of haste, protective spirit, shatter enchantment, reversal of fortune, life attunement, blessed aura

cast backfire emediatly, then empathy, let the dop cast his enchantments, shatter one, then let him kill himself and just stand there, using reversal of fortune occaisionly ^^ 16:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Low Level defeating
Got my Mes/War lvl 13 to defeat the doppelganger. I tried it at 97% lvl 12 (with Major vigor) Took the usual limited skills: backfire, Emp, hex, elite mantra etc.. but just couldn't tip the imbalance. I was casting backfire off well before it could do much but I didn't seem to make much damage, its regular damage was hitting me for -64. Went back to complete 1 simple ascalon quest for 500 XP to make me lvl 13 and then back to the doppelganger and whooped it. I'd be interested in other low level defeats with this thing.