Talk:Juggernaut

I move to remove spoiler tag in this article
None of the plot is revealed by this article. This is just pure and simple lore. -PanSola 18:02, 8 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Seconded. -- Dashface [[Image:Dashface.png]] 06:16, 12 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Disagree. For precedent, see spoiler tags on other lore articles; for example, Throne of Pellentia. I think it has a place, as the fact that the juggernauts are Kurzicks is one of the very few surprising facts in the story. – 70.20  ( &#x260e; ) 2006-06-12 11:19 (UTC)


 * When something's secretly made out of people, that's usually a major spoiler. During the FPE, the Kurzicks didn't say one word about the nature and origins of Juggernauts until after you earned their trust by completing Befriending the Kurzicks, implying that the information is a secret restricted to the Kurzicks and their closest allies. However the dialogue of Guardsman Oldrich (who I'm pretty sure wasn't in the FPE) makes it clear that the human origin of Juggernauts is no secret, and this additional context suggests that the Kurzicks are concerned with the security (and probably sanctity) of The Eternal Grove, not its secrecy. -- Gordon Ecker 02:53, 9 September 2006 (CDT)

Juggies are trees
Because I had nothing better to do (well, that's a lie), I took one of my of Pruning weapons out of the attic and had a good whack on a Protoss Zealot Juggernaut. Turns out the buggers are trees after all. 85.31.186.86
 * 85.31.186.86: Could you please take that weapon and test it on Dragon Lillies and Undergrowths too?! I suspect that these are plants too, but don't have a weapon of Pruning to verify it. See Talk:Dragon Lilly. --Tetris L [[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L block]] 09:41, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
 * And the Titans in Kryta/Maguuma please? I've been looking for a Pruning weapon forever.  Honestly the pruning mod is harder to get than a 15^50 perfect gold stormbow... - 11:13, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
 * You should have said something earlier! I got a buttload of pruning mods for staves, axes, and bows (most 20% or 19%) when I went through the game with my Ritualist. There seemed to be no end to them! [[Image:Chuiu Me Icon.png]] (T/C)  11:26, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I'm most interested in Hammer max pruning mods, followed by Axe, then sword. Unless bows/staves are capable of gaurenteeing critical hits they won't help much.  If you see any in the future, hold on to them for me! - 11:29, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

I'm not 85.31.x.x, but I do have a 16% pruning sword. I'm not sure how he calculated that Juggernauts are plants. I was out attacking Undergrowths just now, and it does appear that the critical hits are boosted by about 16%, so that's a good indication that they are plants. I would hazard a guess that Dragon Mosses are similar, but their damned Blurred Vision makes testing a chore. No clue about Dragon Lilies -- don't have a Canthan native char and not planning to make one any time soon. How can I get to one of them with a Tyrian char? About the Krytan titans: I've already finished the titan quests with my PvE chars, so it's not possible for me to test it. Sorry. 128.2.206.194 09:54, 20 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Yes, comparing the damage done by critical hits would be the right way to test it. For Titans, as long as you group with someone who has the quest, you can test it. - 10:20, 20 May 2006 (CDT)


 * If you're using a weapon and not a spell, you MUST (not choice) use Wild Blow as your test skill. So, that you can eliminate the variance in weapon damage. To find Dragon Lillies with a Tyrian character, just go to Kaineng Docks northwest of the Marketplace, then take to Firstmate what's his name and he's transport you to Shing Jea Island, to Seitung Harbor specifically. From there, take the northwest exit (not the west one) and you'll be in Jaya Bluffs. From there head east )inside a cave full of Yetis) to Haijun Lagoon. There if you go down to the lagoon you'll find them in groups of 2-3. Happy hunting. --Karlos 14:22, 20 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Don't really need Wild Blow if you only look at the crits, which will always use the max damage of the weapon.


 * That's ridiculous. You think that if you have a 15-22 sword that you'll do 22 dmg on a critical hit??!! There's the AL of whom you're attacking and then your own mastery of the weapon as well as any other modifiers in place. Just use Wild Blow so you know that you're doing a critical. Why guess when you can know? --Karlos 14:55, 20 May 2006 (CDT)


 * You should brush up on your damage lore. You can easily tell when a hit is a crit and when it isn't. 18.187.1.68 18:38, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I disagree, especially when enemy has high AL AND you don't know enemy's AL (just nkow they are high). Critical hit's chance to occure may be quite low, and it might just end up dealing one more point of damage than usual (because enemy AL is high).  The only excuse for not using Wild Blow is if the only thing you got is a bow, or if you are testing on a mob that's level 10 or below and you feel really lazy. - 21:21, 20 May 2006 (CDT)


 * The best way to know when you do a crit is to test with an assassin. Using wild blow is soo last year :D --Theeth (talk)   16:16, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Yes, if you have a primary assassin (with any weapon, even a bow), you'll get +1 energy (or more) when a critical hit lands. --Karlos 18:15, 18 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Even with a secondary assassin, just grab Critical Eye, it'll do the job. --Theeth (talk)   21:21, 18 June 2006 (CDT)

Add the defenders?
I think Klaus, Leiber and Ex-Redemptor Berta should be added to the List of Juggernauts.