Talk:Game updates/20060726

They've added a new button on the character selection screen for the "Guild Wars Official Store." I'm getting an error when I press it, so it's more than likely not completely up yet.--Sykoone 12:01, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I think it's just overwhelmed by people clicking on it. After all, why would they release something that that's not finish to the public? &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|20px|My Talk Page :o]] 12:38, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I really hope this will mean buying character slots once it's working *crosses fingers* --24.250.248.144 12:42, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

ZOMG FP!!! Guildwars.com transcribes only please.. &mdash; Skuld 12:40, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


 * What an Idiot-Policy is that? Why can't the wiki be ahead of the official site? And btw: It's confirmed by the german community coordinator that this store (in the update which you deny to exist) makes Keys for GuildWars Campaigns and Character Slots available. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Si Tacuisses (talk &bull; contribs) 12:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT).
 * didn't we have this discussion a few days ago? weren't we going to put a page noting visable changes even if there wasn't a gw.com note? --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 12:49, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Discussion or not: It's pure idiocy to deny the existence of obviously visible and officially confirmed changes that came with an update. Si Tacuisses 12:52, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Though the heat in here is unbearable, I will say that if anyone ever read the Gaile Gray posts in Dev Tracker on gurus, she states that while ANet strives to put everything in their updates, they don't always put every minor thing in them, or create an update for something minor as well. Mind you, I am referring from memory, so the wording is not verbatim. And, yes, Guildwiki should supply users with "unofficial" updates. It's been going on now for some time with the GuildWiki Notes section at the bottom of official updates. 300-400 files don't just download for no reason ;) -Gares 13:13, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * No-one has denied an update. I'm going with what we always do, which, frankly is more reasonable than all your flaming and lack of reason &mdash; Skuld 13:17, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I simply followed what I believed to have been the guidelines for documenting changes in the client. I put the Notes heading above my information, so it was clear that it was not an officially listed update as of yet. But considering the sheer number of people that will be looking for information about the store, I felt it necessary to put something on here to show that we're paying attention.--Sykoone 13:20, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * As someone pointed out in yesterday's update talk page (or the day before), there's precedent at Game updates/20060502. --68.142.14.19 13:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


 * User:Sykoone, you did the right thing. To me, the heat in this discussion doesn't seem to be about the update as User:68.142.14.19 pointed out, these unoffical updates have been going on at least since May. -Gares 13:32, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Skuld's deleting (and has now protected) the article based on the reasoning that we don't make an update article without GW.com notes. The link provided is a counterexample.  --68.142.14.19 13:34, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Huh? I'm not aware that GuildWiki has any such policy. Undocumented updates have been discussed briefly in the past, and it has been generally agreed to that we do list such updates. See Talk:Game updates and Talk:Game updates. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]]  13:36, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I meant that it seemed to be his reasoning, not that it was (or wasn't) also the wiki's. --68.142.14.19 13:39, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

I can't take a more active part in this atm,. The page has been recreated 4 times, protection seemed the best thing &mdash; Skuld 13:37, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


 * As long as there is either patch info on the official site, or observable and confirmable changes that can be positively attributed to the specific update, then I believe that it's reasonable to create these articles. I am against creating them just as a place holder if neither of the above exists.
 * In this case, there is an observable change, so it should be documented. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 13:40, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

And now it's gone. Do we document a change that was immediately reverted? --68.142.14.19 14:15, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Perhaps to avoid further disruption with problems like this, it should be stated more clearly on the main page the "rules of creating new articles for game updates". The easiest solution would be to make the How_to_help link more clear with the information it contains (by that I mean stand out more, bold font colour etc) and inside that link How_to_help, add a section for these rules or guidelines if you like, for creating new game update articles. If there already is such information (because I haven't looked) then it needs to again be made more clear for Guild Wiki users. They're only thoughts and suggestions but it may help prevent such disputes happening in the future.
 * --=¦¦|| Saintly ||¦¦=-- 14:22, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


 * We shouldn't document chnages that are immediagely reverted. However, as the day is not over yet, it will be better to keep the note there, and only delete the article once the day is over and there is no net-change. - 15:46, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


 * For reference, the controversial button update was documented on wiki 2 hours before it disappeared. And I believe below, User:Wil has posted the explanation why it was removed. -Gares 16:19, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Deleting per above --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:19, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

On Another Note ...
I have logged on twice today, both times I received game updates. The update this morning was a smaller file, just a few KB and an approximate 1MB of files to decompress later on today. You could just say that they are adding updates for the new PvP event, but the funny thing is I haven't had any updates streamed to me :S. This doesn't seem to suggest the PvP event as not many files have been updated today! Any observational changes other than the new store thing? --=¦¦|| Saintly ||¦¦=-- 14:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


 * The store link has been removed. Someone who can should note that. --Wil 15:06, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * If the store link has been removed, then the net result of today's update is, well, nothing identifiable. If that's the case, then I fully support deleting this update article (an article that says: an update took place, but we have no idea why it took place is not a useful article). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:25, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * and it might be back again in a few hours, or not. I'm going to unprotect the page, so contributors can keep the GuildWiki notes section edited.  - 15:37, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * There's a note from Gaile Gray on guildwarsguru front page: "Back with an update: We've closed access to the store while we do a little tweaking. No ETA on the official opening, but I'd say "soon" is a pretty good estimate." --Wil 15:59, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

Link To Guru. So basically there was an update yesterday that added a Guild Wars Store, and it was later removed in a second update, due to incompletion, too much access from players and finalisation! To the right is an image that you should find intersting, also taken from Guru. Cheers for deleting this article! --=¦¦|| Saintly ||¦¦=-- 09:23, 27 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Net results of the two updates, no current identifiable change in-game. When the update comes that adds the store again, that update will be created to show the store being added. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 09:54, 27 July 2006 (CDT)