Talk:Gwen

Gwen - a new hero in GW:EN ?
What if Gwen shows up in GW:EN as a new hero ? Monk maybe, or Elementalist ... --Aozora 16:06, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Mesmer, its been announced that she likes what the mesmer class wears =). but yeah I'd love to have her on my team lol. The Gates Assassin 16:10, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I wonder if she still jumps around you healing you with the flute ;) --Aozora [[Image:aozora.png]] 16:15, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * That could be possible...maybe another try to make the Mesmer class more interesting for the people...the paradox in this idea is that real-player mesmers would get harder into a pug^^ -- [[image:Elixir_Of_Valor.jpg|15x15px]] Zerpha The Improver 16:20, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * The role of Mesmer is just something that doesn't suit in PvE world. No matter how much they buff Mesmers, people generally speaking still don't like them ... It's just annoying, all those Mesmer mobs everywhere getting buffed ... --Aozora [[Image:aozora.png]] 16:34, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
 * She is gonna be an assassin. &mdash; Shady Guy  [[Image:shadyguysig.gif|19px]] 15:58, 2 July 2007 (CDT)
 * So. I'm playing Mesmer and only Mesmer since i've began and it's my only character. When i see my gf struggling with an ele to beat parts where i just hex/interrupt/shutdown/whatever mobs to death, i can't imagine how awesome it is to be a Mesmer ^^ And before you ask what is there that Mesmers can do, i'll ask you, is there anything thay CANNOT do? ^^ --Rotfl Mao 03:08, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Deal massive amounts of AoE damage, tank, heal allies, or remove conditions? [[Image:GDSig.JPG]] 03:20, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * They can't buff allies or cause that many conditions either, although they can spread existing conditions. -- Gordon Ecker 03:29, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * E-Surge builds(afair), Distortion(+illusion of weakness?+symphatetic visage?+physical/elemental resistance?)... yeah, they can't really heal, unless you use signet of illusions to cast monks spells^^ And no condition removal, sigh^^ They can do quite a lot i think--Rotfl Mao 05:37, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

(reset)80 AoE isn't exactly massive, and anyone can do anything with a secondary... But yes, I'd agree that they're one of the most versatile offensive classes, though not the most powerful. Couldn't resist providing some opposition though. :P  13:30, 20 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Well, but Mesmer istn't the only class that can't tank, heal or rc^^ but he' the best - well, lets say the most efficient - interrupter. and i also think gwen will be one as mentioned. that would also suit to the other five classes of cynn, mhenlo, aidan, eve and devona -- [[image:Elixir_Of_Valor.jpg|15x15px]] Zerpha The Improver 20:02, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

trivia wrong?
ashes ashes you all fall down isnt in ring o ring o roses, im pretty sure its from REM's bad day... in the nursery rhyme its a tissue a tissue we all fall down--80.42.168.208 04:59, 27 June 2007 (CDT)--80.42.168.208 04:59, 27 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah... no. Ashes ashes we all fall down is the american words, and thus is what REM used. - Auron 05:05, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

gwen screen?
http://gw.gamona.de/gallerie/bilder/Eye_of_the_North_Screenshots/gwen-scr006-lrg.jpg compare this to the pic from the magazine => same haircut, same haircolor, ~same clothes 84.146.154.228 10:09, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

yeah i noticed that &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.174.164.177 (contribs).


 * Yeah, it looks like Gwen's going to be a hero or mission NPC, apparently an Elementalist or Mesmer. -- Gordon Ecker 21:22, 28 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Dang, and I thought Giant Needle Spiders were annoying already. That's just... ... ... evil --Gimmethegepgun 21:34, 28 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Chakram? Seems Mesmerish. -- Dashface [[Image:Dashface.png]] 03:01, 3 July 2007 (CDT)


 * Yeah, but she's also holding an Air Wand, and we know how much she loves fire :D. -- Gordon Ecker 03:24, 3 July 2007 (CDT)


 * She's a fast cast air ele! --Heelz 03:37, 3 July 2007 (CDT)


 * The outfit seems Mesmerish (those small gloves, boots, the whole thing) and the off-hand is, like Dashface said, a Chakram. Qwen being an Elementalist would be absurd, why on earth would she use AIR MAGIC weapon (and the outfit isn't Elementalist like at all)? And I thought she liked FIRE MAGIC more. I think she will be Mesmer, because it could be a nice try from ANet to make people play that class more ... I don't think Mesmer will be popular at all no matter how they buff it ^^ --Aozora [[Image:aozora.png]] 18:42, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Were she a hero, I wonder if one of her armour "upgrades" will be a re-tailored version of her early Prophecies outfit, cape and all? --Valentein 10:58, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I wouldn't really rely on the weaponry to assume professions, because, as we all very well know, on the Hamstorm build on the original cover, the idiot is using a bow for no apparent reason. I think she looks like a mesmer, particularly since there isn't any bare skin below the upper torso, which is a key requirement for female ele armor :/ --Gimmethegepgun 11:02, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Hey! That's only true for 2/3 of Elementalist sets. At least Elementalist's worst offenders, such as the Ascalon and Elite Sunspear sets, still have something to hold everything in place, unlike Mesmer Krytan armor, which seems to prevent accidental exposure with the unreliable combination of gravity, starch, a sheer body stocking and the honor system. Anyway, the neckline of the outfit in the screenshot resembles the neckline of Elementalist Vabbian armor, however tights and long leather boots are common in Mesmer armor, and, overall, it looks more like a Mesmer outfit. -- Gordon Ecker 18:15, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, i overlooked her in the film at this part 0o. yes, she's fast cast air ele^^ (thats an air an not a fire staff ;) ), she looks mesmerish and i'd say she's casting like a mesmer. yayyy -- [[image:Elixir_Of_Valor.jpg|15x15px]] Zerpha The Improver 20:06, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

gwen PROBABLY a mesmer
read the latest gaile talk http://gw.gamona.de/news/content/gg0707.jpg 84.146.159.43 05:48, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Nooo... Gaile say she looks like a --[[Image:Tomoko's_Cookie.jpg|19px]] (talk) Tomoko 13:55, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

Protect?
I think we should protect this. It's quite complete, and it is the target of extreme vandalism (see the Gwen, Thom, and Rurik story so commonly put on here). &mdash;Blastedt 12:26, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes, this page is one of the favorites amongst vandals, but we should be careful not to over-protect. This page is not vital for navigation through this wiki like the frontpage, so it should only be protected if there's a very strong support for that. With the upcoming releases of GW:EN and the Bonus Mission Pack there's likely to be a lot of new info coming our way and adding that to the Gwen-page should be kept easy imho. --- : Jill Bioskop X ( T | C )  18:53, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Protect from anon users only? --Macros 19:17, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Looking at the page history, I only see minor vandalism, and all quickly fixed. If it picks up, we  could apply short-term protection (expires after a few days to a week), but I don't see a need for anything at the moment. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:19, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't call replacing the entire page with a pornographic novel minor vandalism... and I've personally reverted that on 2 separate occasions. --Macros 19:21, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
 * The last I see that was on June 15th, nearly a month ago - and reverted within minutes both times - nothing recent beyond minor vandalism. Long-term page protection is something that should only be done for the most heavy of targets (main page is a prime example).  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:29, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
 * And really, the protection would only be useful for the next month; not everyone remembers, but going through new parts of the game for the first time and epileptically alt-tabbing to a wiki page to add brand-new information is a heck of a lot of fun. "Oh man! I just found this thing! I have to tell people!" The Gwen page will surely be a hot-demand page to update once we can play through der far north and uncover more. --Nunix 21:37, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

New Information about Old Stuff
I was just casually gaming in pre when I noticed one of Gwen's quotes that was not in the list. I'm sure she's been saying it for a very long time but no one bothered to add it and I bet there are alot similar ones that no one has bothered to look into. Rcollins779x 22:34, 17 July 2007 (CDT)

My theory
I think it goes like this(or hope like it would go like this :P): At the moment of The Searing, Gwen was outside Ascalon. Then Searing happened, and charr came in and so on. Gwen and got kidnapped by charr. Lady Althea sacrifised herself to save and so Gwen escaped. Later on, she honors Althea by taking Mesmer class as her own profession. Whaddya think? (maybe there is something with Corsairs, can't think anything) Kemal 00:53, 19 July
 * nice theory :D but why didn't she go her way with althea's planned husband, rurik? ...hmm right the corsair flower...no idea atm@.@ -- [[image:Elixir_Of_Valor.jpg|15x15px]] Zerpha The Improver 20:07, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

Details about the Trailer
I edited the comment about the trailer released on the 19th. It was the official GW:EN trailer, so I made that change. There is also very little doubt that it was Gwen narrating the trailer...she says Ascalon was the center of her world as the camera was looking right at young gwen. Could it be more obvious? I also edited out the "ebon" part of the vanguard comment. It's a fair assumption that they are vanguard...but we do not know they are ebon vanguard yet. I have seen people saying that the ebon vanguard are actually Charr rebels and possibly the origin of the Charr hero. At this point we really have no idea what the Ebon Vanguard are. I left in the comment about her possibly being a captain only because it's fair speculation. Personally I believe her joining the ranks of the vanguard looks more like a playful girl wanting to join up...not an actual member of the vanguard.--Thor79••Talk 03:34, 20 July 2007 (CDT)


 * I remember reading in one of the interviews that the Charr would not be one of the factions with a reputation title and PvE skills, but I'm not sure about the source. -- Gordon Ecker 04:05, 20 July 2007 (CDT)


 * The Ebon Vanguard are (to me) remnants of Ascalon's Vanguard found on the Charr side. They look EXACTLY like the regular vanguard (Ascalon reqruits with the red spiked shoulder pads) except their colors are brown and black. --Karlos 04:12, 20 July 2007 (CDT)


 * I found it, part 5 of the Games Radar interviow, "They aren't going to be their own allegiance. And they're not going to have their own title track.", so the Ascalons are by for the most likely candidates. It's possible that the Ebon Vanguard faction also includes Charr rebels such as Pyre Fierceshot. -- Gordon Ecker 04:27, 20 July 2007 (CDT)


 * Either that or they're related to the White Mantel in some way... Planeforger 06:16, 20 July 2007 (CDT)


 * This is the kind of uncertainty I'm talking about. Can anyone provide something to say that the Vanguard pictured in the trailer are indeed Ebon Vanguard? Or are we just guessing on that one? Gordon...that's the kind of proof I'd like to see...so that rules them out as Charr...but it doesn't directly identify the Vanguard with the new armor as the Ebon Vanguard. Until someone can provide better evidence that they are Ebon Vanguard...IMO it should be left simply as Vanguard. I'll meet you half way with my edit though.--Thor79•[[Image:User-thor79.png]]•Talk 08:18, 20 July 2007 (CDT)


 * We're guessing. There's pretty strong evidence, the Charr homeland is the only one of the four known regions which isn't explicitly associated with to one of the four named factions, the Ebon Vanguard is the only one of the four named factions which isn't explicitly associated with one of the four known regions and the Ascalons are the only non-Charr group known to have a presence in the Charr homeland, but there's still no conclusive proof that the Ebon Vanguard are the Ascalons. I doubt the Ebon Vanguard is related to the White Mantle, I guess they could be related to the Shining Blade, the Lionguard or the Orrian refugees, but all the hints are pointing to Ascalon. -- Gordon Ecker 13:25, 20 July 2007 (CDT)