Talk:Conditions

Does anyone know why when I search for "Conditions" I am redirected to the Category page but WITHOUT the subcategories below? --Karlos 14:31, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * I checked the MediaWiki bug tracker, it's a known issue. --Fyren 15:54, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)

Conditions as a Category
Woah. Woah, woah, woah. I'm not sure I like the new direction here, and I'd like to see it put up for general debate. Conditions was a big article. It had a lot of information. But it was not too big. Each condition is not worthy of an idividual article. They're small status effects, similar to hexes. Unlike hexes, however, they do not have much extra information to go with them like cost and location to acquire. They're common and easy to find as part of a large variety of skills. Their description should be a handy reference sheet, without a bunch of traveling from page to page to get the full story. A category is just plain unnessecary, even if they were to double the number of conditions in the next update they're still best kept as one page. --Talrath Stormcrush 17:49, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * Sure thing, let's talk about it. Here's where I stand:
 * The conditions page was HUGE. By the standards of all those other articles everyone was marking as "too long" that article was "way too long."
 * It was quite frankly annoying to have to type  Conditions#  before the name of every condition. Completely unnecessary.
 * It was obscure. A new contributer to the Wiki seeking to add a remark about how a condition affects something would think the condition does not exist because a search for "knock down" and "knockdown" and "knocked down" would yield no articles with those titles. He/she might even assume we don't have an article about the condition.
 * The information in each condition is a healthy dose for an article.
 * If you are reading about Poison and are interested in other "Conditions" click on the conditions link at the bottom of the page. You'll find all the others.
 * On the other hand, if a person clicks on "Weakness" and they are sent to a page with 10 others headings and the one they want is not even in the top of the page, they may become disoriented.
 * I will actually use your "hex" example against you. Conditions are far more common than hexes. They are caused each by more than one skill and each can be removed by more than one skill. Each condition has more info to it than a hex... Yet we have all those hex pages (and rightfully so).
 * To wrap up, it's a clear case for a category. I always thought it was this way simply out of laziness (i.e. first contributor put them in an article and as people added to it, it grew) and people just adjusted. I never thought it was by design. If it is, I would like to know that desgin. --Karlos 18:16, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)

Half agree, half disagree. Firstly, categories are not articles. A page called Condition needs to exist with the summary information that's currently included on Category:Conditions, and (of course) a link to the category. Categories are a tool, but they do not replace well-written articles. Secondly, anticipated article length is not a requirement for article status. A paragraph-long article that fully explains a single idea or term is a good article, whereas a pages-long article that explains a lot of loosly related things is not. This is GuildWiki style by convention, and should be added to an appropriate Style and formatting page if it is not already there. Each condition should have its own article, and the category is good, but an article about conditions in general needs to exist as well. &mdash;Tanaric 20:08, 2 Aug 2005 (EST)


 * I hadn't read this, but you sum up my feelings well here Tanaric, I just replied at Category_talk:Conditions. I'm going to start writing something here to explain what conditions are. 04:01, 4 Aug 2005 (EST)

Condition as a Singular
I think the primary entry should be Conditon and not Conditions. just like Hex and Spell and Hydra. --Karlos 17:23, 4 Aug 2005 (EST)