User talk:Suicidal Tendencie/Archive 2

No spam

 * FIRST! Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 12:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Or are you? *mysterious music* --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 12:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Needz more SPAM! I am first right? Atleast its spam. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 12:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
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 * SPAM, spam, I'm Spamming in the rain. All I want is Spam, All I do is trolling. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 13:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC)All you want is spam? I've never had it but don't imagine it would be that tasty. Consider chicken pie and/or cookies. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 13:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Chicken pie? I dont think I know what you mean. In the Netherlands we dont have something like that. But I like cookies. Still the spamming bussiness is really cool. Your new talkpage is coming along just fine. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 13:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

No Spam --El_Nazgir 14:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hm... I've a PvE with every primary
And can only afford one pair. And it's not going on my Monk.

Who gets the Chaos Gloves? :P I'm thinkin' Rit atm --> Suicidal Tendencie 15:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummm, take the char you play the most? logic?--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 16:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummm, there isn't one? Obvious? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm, Mesmers have the smallest chaos gloves, but they look best with monks? Opinion?--Alc ^^  17:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And it's not going on my Monk. ^ ^ Probably going on Rit tbh --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Take elite luxon armor with that. And dye green. :) --Alc ^^  17:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I do like Elite Luxon, but don't like lots of black... ash or whatever that is with chaos gloves :P I dunno, mebbe --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 18:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Noone; they suck <3 --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  16:14, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh, I like 'em. However I don't like the idea of spending all that money on a character which I, almost certainly, will play no more than I did before getting them. I'll probably spend the money on my Necro's armor. (I'd spend it on a BDS, but doing SoO with a mate constantly, one day I'll get the bloody thing...) --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * And it'll turn out to be... Communing... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hahah, go figure. I've been tagging along with an ex-guildie of mine, and we were joking about Communing BDS's too :) Communing is so hated. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  12:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Those are the ones you give to your permasin. :) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 15:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Meh, rather to my ele; need a universal HCT/HSR staff :P Might as well look cool. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  15:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Stop staring at that widget and get the real RecentChanges. RoseOfKali 00:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Yo
So I notice that there was a bit of a misunderstanding under us on IRC. So just wanted to clear stuff out :P That you won't get dragged into that Sims wiki thing. That was all right? Well hope to hear from you soon or something like that xD --   † F1 ©  08:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So... Warwick? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wat? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 14:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Was wondering who told him. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 14:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there a problem then?? -- [[Image:F4Sig.jpg|19px]]  † F1 ©  14:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I did make it clear I was trying to lay low somewhat and did not want more people knowing my name as I've had wikidrama problems and, as I said, wanted to lay low.
 * The fact that you ignored my wishes is a problem for me, certainly, and I'm also bemused at the person who most likely told you. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 14:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * o_O" Right sry. Didn't know It was that of a deal. Just asked your name on IRC so I could find out what I did wrong but.... nvm then.... :( -- [[Image:F4Sig.jpg|19px]]  † F1 ©  14:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ? Did wrong?
 * To be honest with you, besides going out of your way to ignore my wishes, I can't think of anything you did wrong. You spent hours on our IRC telling us all about the SimsWiki, which is more unfortunate than wrong.
 * I am rather amused that the greatest wrong in my eyes you committed worrying about something ultimately irrelevant. Annoying at the time, but soon forgotten. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

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-- ◄mendel► 19:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No I did not, actually.
 * The "event" is over, so unless you would personally prefer I dig up the info for the /vandalized page, I'll stand by and allow them to be deleted. If you'd prefer them to stay, please let me know as soon as is convenient, as it will take some time. (I also took one of them, and no idea what to choose for that).
 * And I feel lazy now... I would do it myself, but to the best of my knowledge I don't have the right, minus a ban tag, which does not really reduce the effort on your part. And your section header disappoints me Mendel. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just looked at them, no I did not, thinking of something else.
 * Didn't take one, so no complication there. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:42, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Guild Wars competitive xunlai tournament house

 * Making Changes

If you wish to make changes to your existing predictions, simply log in and go to your prediction page again. You March make any changes you wish to your top 8 prediction. Once you've finished editing your predictions click the Save My Predictions button. You can return to make changes to your predictions at any time before 15:00 GMT on March 28th for GvG & 15:00 GMT on March 29th for 1v1.

You March make? I presume that used to say may make and someone got confused... --> Suicidal Tendencie 15:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol... Engrish.com I also don't have the "Save predictions" button. O_o I guess we're not allowed to save yet? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes you can, I have, perhaps you didn't log in again? :S
 * @ Mendel + Ishy, why do I keep ECing myself lately? =/ --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a pun on the month May, of course! --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  19:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes... not like ArenaNerf ever make mistakes... that IS a pun --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I logged in, you can't even get to there if you're not... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Request to spam
Your request for spam has been audited, and a seal has been generated for your use Random Time  18:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * pfft, I don't get the point
 * please observe the stamp immediately below my request, I can haz spamspam now --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 18:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Although I do like the pic in it =) --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Most what?
Scorpion Wire is by far one of the most skills in Guild Wars. RoseOfKali  02:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See User talk:Entropy About halfway down, labeled Funny Scorpion Wire Story.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]îğá†ħŕášħ  02:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 03:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanx Giga :P --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

uuuhm
I hope you realize that wasn't me. I wouldn't even do something that stupid when I'm drunk. Lol signing my own vandalizing, that would be pretty stupid. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 18:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Arnout, you need to think things through, mate. I changed it by looking at the edit history. The edit history shows who does what. =) --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 18:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, and he didn't even do it right. :P Silly noob... vandalism is for pros!

RoseOfKali 19:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I can log out and use my IP adress. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 80.60.239.64 19:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL ^^ RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 19:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Arnout, I believe you 2) Arnout: proxies 3) Rose - huh? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Mine, my credit, mine! :O
 * I laughed at Arnout still trying to prove that it wasn't his IP. :P "Silly rabbit... Trix are for kids?" And that's a painfully bright userbox, but you vandalized Mendels page "well," while the IP didn't even complete the link tags. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 19:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, but im running wiki from 3 differrent IP's. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 08:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I typed the comment above this on at school (the whole school has one IP adress I believe), and now I'm typing this at home. At home, I have 2 different IP's because our pc's aren't linked. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 14:25, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you were logged out and signed, the signature would not show your name. -- ◄mendel► 22:25, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, how do you know he didn't go as far as typing out his entire signature and timestamp (and missing the opening brackets, cus he's just such a crazy noob)? :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 05:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because the signature was already on the page (including teh timestamp), so he didn't need to type it? -- ◄mendel► 09:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * lol, this always happens here...
 * On my talk page we're talking about Arnout's IP's
 * On Mendel's talkpage, in the section about the new userbox I made, people were talking about Dr. Ishy and his wifey... we're organized :O --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 13:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Mendel: why are you trying to give a logical explanation to an irrational vandalism?
 * ST: Mendel edited my indent on YOUR talkpage... :*( RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 16:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because you asked.
 * Was that wrong? -- ◄mendel► 16:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't ask for a logical explanation, I didn't think there was one. :P
 * No, it was just somewhat related to my talkpage. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 16:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Suicidal talk
I like you. That's why I'm telling you something you won't be pleased to hear. The wiki isn't a "spoken" medium, but rather a written one. In chat, you write quickly, off the cuff, and what you write doesn't matter much outside the situation it was in. What you write on the wiki stays (potentially) forever; it will be read hours later by people who don't understand your situation, and they expect you to have spent the care on it that the written word deserves. This means that your tendency to reply quickly and emotionally is suicidal in the context of the wiki: people who assume you considered what you wrote will think you stupid and worse. (You're by far not the only person who does this, Rose has developed a very similar tendency, and there are others, too). Please heed the advice I just posted to GW:STUPID. -- ◄mendel► 15:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The very first sentence interests me to no end, although I think that may be more suited to IRC. Please explain to me what talkpages are for, Mendel.
 * I want to make a point very clear: I am not being sarcastic. Frankly, as it stands, I have no clue why talkpages exist for users, and I always trust your guidance. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 15:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I did want to avoid saying this, but I am becoming increasingly angry at this site as an entity. I do consider what I say, to varying degrees. Perhaps others should consider the fact I welcomed him to this site, perhaps that I was the only one talking on his talkpage at least suggested I happen to know the man.
 * And, with that bit of common sense injected into the situation, perhaps people when deciding if they should post or not (and thereby, it would appear, deciding if I will be creating wiki drama or not) should bear that in mind. One user was posting on a fellow wik- user's talkpage. I REFUSE to accept the blame for other people deciding to join in. I was talking with my friend both here and on MSN. That other  people decided to stick their  unwanted  noses in to the matter is NOT my decision, and thus I will NOT accept liability for it.
 * All I've been told here is that it's not a social networking site. I would beg people to ask themselves
 * 1) What are user talk pages invariably used for at least half of the time and
 * 2) Why is it just me that half the site turn their attentions to?
 * I apologize Mendel. I have let you down, I doubt that you like me, as you do not know me. You should consider my very strong feelings on this matter more as then you will understand me so much more.--> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 15:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Have you read the section on shouting matches on GW:STUPID? It should explain succinctly what talkpages are not for. And the answer to your question is exactly what I am hoping to write down on GW:STUPID -- that is my plan that Entropy and you claim is so hard to understand. ;-) -- ◄mendel► 15:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, Mendel, but I consider your response to be totally inaccurate. I will not accept a proposed policy as evidence I have done something wrong. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki. People can stick their noses wherever they damn well please. How were we to know that you weren't simply antagonizing a new user? It's a wiki, if you want to get people to keep their noses out of where they're not wanted, say it on a private location. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This argument is done. Don't discuss it further. -- ◄mendel► 16:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Suicidal, get a break and be less dense. I have asked you to heed the advice on that page, I have not told you that you have done wrong: if that had been the case, you would be blocked now for not heeding that. In fact, on your user page you state "I did nothing wrong" (or not much anyway) and at the same time express surprise that you weren't blocked for doing nothing wrong. Maybe the wiki works the way it should for you? And random people have a right to voice opinions that annoy you? And you shouldn't fly into a rage about that, but rather consider whether they deserve an answer, and if so, which one? If you cannot do that, your discussion style will get you in trouble again and again, and by your userpage edit you have confirmed my prediction that it will eventually prove "wikicidal", i.e. that you will remove yourself from the wiki on your own. I would rather that did not happen. Stop and think, goddammit, and then stop again and think some more. -- ◄mendel► 16:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * be less dense: wow thanks
 * ...and at the same time expect surprise that you weren't blocked...: take your own advice. Think again. My original intention was to post a few messages on the TalkPage belonging to a friend of mine. That was not the net result. I do not, surely, deserve anything for my original intention? As what I had planned to do came to completion, I fully credit the escalation to all else concerned, and couldn't care less about how ignorant it sounds that I blame everyone but me and of course Optime Doom + El Nazgir . While the end result was not what I intended, it was what I got judged on, what I got blamed for, and what I expected to be banned for.
 * ...random people... fly into rage...: well, I just joined in. Everyone else seemed angry enough at me so I don't see the significance of my fury when I wasn't the only involved person who was pissed off at some stage or another. I do not have a problem with other people editing TalkPages. I have a problem with them doing it when I had not planned on it ONLY FOR THEIR EDITING TO BE CLASSED AS WIKI DRAMA WHICH IS MY FAULT AND MY FAULT ALONE'.
 * ...that you will remove yourself from the wiki on your own: I have every intention of doing this. I have been annoyed at the userbase before and come back, deciding to ignore those who annoy me and repay my debt to those other contributers who helped me when I was a noob. Fuck that.
 * Don't you see what incenses me so? Even now Warwick is spamming 'No' on my TalkPage. I see nobody on her TalkPage attempting to stop her. We all feel bad for OptimeDoom, because archiving your TalkPage is suddenly humiliating (?!?) but nobody gives a shit about me? Consider being fair sometime in the future.
 * I would rather that did not happen.: believe it or not, I do appreciate the sentiment, but it is far too little far too late from far too few. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Everyone else seemed angry enough at me so I don't see the significance of my fury &mdash; the significance of your fury is that it keeps the anger (and the drama) fueled.

If you have a look at the history of Optime Doom's talk on March 12th alone, you can imagine what would have happened had you postponed replying for a day (or even an hour each); even more so as people reacted to you keeping raging. (Actually, look at Talk:Acorns; that was drama I unintentionally caused, and imagine what would have happened had I rebutted everyone who disagreed with me! Even so, people remembered that one for a looong time, and blamed me for it.) And this is El Nazgir's talk. Btw, at 18:38 this is me advising you to take a break for an hour. The irony is that what began with a Piplup spam to a friend's userpage ends with you taking offense to your own page getting spammed. :-P -- ◄mendel► 22:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The irony is that it is not ironic and you seemingly fail to understand what is going on at the most basic side of the situation.
 * I was showing something to my friend, not spamming really, I left two (!) messages on his TalkPage, nothing excessive, and the picture was, honestly, to show him. That Warwick, far from being a friend of mine, started rubbing salt in the wound, is immeasureably different. I am most disappointed that you, of all people, seem to have trouble comprehending what came to pass. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi.
No. &mdash; Warw/Wick 16:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh look, someone who's not me. Please be prepared to not have anyone give a shit you used my talkpage for no obvious reason whatsoever. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Saying that once again may well qualify as spamming my talkpage. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nyet. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Generhande. -- ◄mendel► 16:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm being spammed and nobody gives a shit, fuck the lot of you for being inconsistant assholes. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Spam is spam, and will eventually be dealt with (once it accumulates enough). And what do you do about mail/e-mail spam? Ignore it/shuffle it away. Oh, and keep this in mind
 * --JonTheMon 16:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * --JonTheMon 16:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello.
You have been blocked for 1 day for NPA. Calling someone a blatant asshole is, in fact, a personal attack. In addition to this, I believe that you need a break from the wiki. You are getting emotional over trivial matters, and indeed taking offence from somone offering you advice as to what to do in a situation. I understand that you are going to leave this wiki, however if you wish to continue editing after your block period is up, I would like to inform you that I, and I assume the rest of the wiki, do not in fact hate you, and that you are welcome to continue editing.. You can appeal your ban to either me, or another admin if you believe that I am bias against you. This is not Warwick-the-person-who-was-trolling-you, this is Warwick the impartial admin. I would also like to say that if anyone else disagrees with this ban, admin or no, please speak up your viewpoints. Thank you. &mdash; Warw/Wick 17:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * that is probably one of the worst decisions ever -- Mini Me ↔  Talk  23:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Voting for hitler. Lord of all tyria 23:26, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Mini Me, actual arguments would be appreciated. The way it is now, both ST and Warwick get a day off, and that doesn't look so bad to me. -- ◄mendel► 23:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be fine if you're a proponent of the ends justifying the means. Warwick banned for an NPA directed toward herself that she provoked, and we all know "good" sysops do not act in situations they are personally involved in (see Auron vs. various people, me vs. Lost-Blue and Warwick, etc). Futhermore, banning herself afterwards shows that either a) she did not have the confidence nor force of will to defend the ban, and so chose to be untouchable until the ban expired (a very sly but frankly underhanded tactic), or b) knew she had made a poor decision and somehow wanted to atone for it. Well obviously, two wrongs do not make a right, bans should not be punitive, etc, and this whole thing comes off as Warwick simply wanting the last word.


 * That being said, flaming people on your userpage is both discourteous and discouraged, and if any user had requested it be removed, or a sysop (including Warwick) had warned for GW:NPA, that would have been reasonable. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * "People who are dicks on purpose just to piss you off *cough* ban" = asking for it, IMO; and while I would have preferred a warning, had I thought of it (which I didn't) and had I been online (which I wasn't), and I also would've liked for another sysop to have blocked, I didn't feel the need to shorten or lift the block. Warwick had the force of will to defend the ban, she was on irc throughout the evening, but she didn't need to. The ban wasn't punitive, either; because both could clearly use the break. -- ◄mendel► 10:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Kind of what Felix said.
 * When you're a sysop you're not expected to troll, ESPECIALLY not when you know someone is already pissed off. ST flaming Warwick was to be expected, but generally, like Felix said, a sysop does not ban a user if it is a matter the sysop has been personally involved with. This does not only make the sysop look bad, but it also sends a bad message to new users who happen to stumble on this page. -- Mini Me ↔  Talk  08:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh and felix said what I wanted to say about Warwick banning herself. -- Mini Me ↔  Talk  08:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Mendel you didn't get any point we made. -- Mini Me ↔  Talk  19:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The message this page sends is that if you bait users into insulting you, you get blocked. I think that it is ok to send that.
 * The point you made is that admins ought to be model citizens and behave themselves better than the rest of the editors. I do not accept this notion, because reversed it implies that it is ok for users who are not admins to behave themselves worse. Obviously that would not be a good policy. Admins are expected to use admin tools responsibly, hence my first reply was mainly concerned with whether Warwick had done so. I'm sure she's read what I wrote here, but if you want to, feel free to copy it over to her talkpage as well.
 * See also GW:ADMIN and User:M.mendel/Admin Criteria. -- ◄mendel► 20:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I was not implying that at all, actually.
 * What I meant was that it is generally not considered good admin behaviour to ban someone when you have been invloved in a personal discussion with that user. Just because the guidelines say it's allowed doesn't mean you should. Because, you see, it kind of sends a message that admins will ban people who disagree with them in any way, even though you and I know they don't. It would have been just as easy to inform a different sysop.
 * And obviously admins should behave in a polite manner towards other users. This does NOT imply that normal users can behave like complete assholes. If you don't understand this I somewhat doubt you're 100% fit for a sysop role. -- Mini Me ↔  Talk  20:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also I read your admin criteria, and Warwick actually failed on 2 points: "help and support" and "conflict moderation". I know she has banned herself for that, so I won't make a point out of that. -- Mini Me ↔  Talk  20:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I Apologise
Although perhaps you might not think I'm the one to blame or anything, I feel at least partially responsable. I was the first to, as you called it, stick my unwanted nose in to the matter. I feel bad that I started the whole thing by jokingly calling you an arse. I consider you as a friend, and I don't want to lose you because of some stupid wikidrama.

Also, a general note to everybody exept perhaps Mendel, who has already told you, but I believe it applies to everyone in the whole discussion: '''Calm Down! This has gotten way out of hand for such a small matter.'''

Next point, I believe the ban was unfair: first there is a heated discussiong in which Warwick also took part, then warwick provokes the already angry Suicidal who had been on the edge but didn't burst yet. The provocation causes Suicidal to finally "explode" and he insults someone who, seeing the situation, knew damn-well it would happen if she did what she did. (but I'm not quite sure what Mendel was doing there. Was that a spam too?)--El_Nazgir 20:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, spam cascades are our initiation rite. You'll find them all over the wiki on pages of popular users. -- ◄mendel► 21:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please do take that back. You have nothing to be sorry for.
 * I said that people stuck their unwanted noses in, largely referring to JonTheMon, but not him alone. I did not, however, refer to you. You'll notice I added links to people, I did not link to you.
 * What really got me was that I posted two messages jokingly on the TalkPage of a mate. I had no problem whatsoever with another friend of mine joining in.
 * But JonTheMon in particular, with others, forced me on the defensive for perfectly reasonable and acceptable joking with a friend who was not in the least angry or upset. I kept responding to them, as they made me feel unfairly, from my point of view that I had to justify my actions. And, responding to them, was what caused more problems, with people crying about RC.
 * Keeping to the theme, Warwick kept picking at a scab. That the ban was allowed to remain not only shows the other admins agreed with the ban; it was more and worse than that. By allowing the ban to go ahead shows they agree Warwick had a right to get involved in an Admin capacity. That indifference from the other admins disgusted me - it still does. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 20:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering I said something only once on said page and was later linked, I think you're still mad at me for not letting you call me "Jinkie." XD Jink  20:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it was just that I was communcating with a friend of mine which JonTheMon, and yourself, made me feel like I had no right to do. I may add the argument against me if flawed. Generally people are proud to archive their TalkPage, so how the hell was he ever seen as a victim? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 20:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, part of the huge misunderstanding was that... no one knew that Optime Doom was your friend at first, so it seemed like a jerkish thing to say, especially followed up with El Nazgir's comment (which has already been discussed and taken care of), then it became an RC spam issue and just kept snowballing from there. You say that you felt that JonTheMon's comment made you feel like you weren't being allowed to communicate with a friend, but really you weren't talking with Optime Doom  by that point - you were communicating with the entire site, or at the least the ones that felt they had something to say.  That's the problem with a public wiki such as this: everyone can see what you're communicating and can leave their own 2, 3, 100 cents about it.
 * If Optime Doom could have hopped in a bit earlier and said, "nah, it's okay" or even "lol" (like you mentioned his response in MSN had been), or if you could have hopped onto IRC sooner to discuss the issue, I'd imagine this whole stupid mess could have been avoided in the first place. Then again, maybe not - humans seem to thrive on conflict. For example, my entire comment is offered as someone else's viewpoint for you to consider (as JonTheMon's had been), but you might see it in a completely different light.
 * I do agree that Warwick baited you so she could ban you, but she knew if she kept pushing the buttons long enough, she'd get you to snap. Sometimes it's better not to feed the trolls and watch them starve (*points to the box above*).
 * Anyway, I don't expect this to go anywhere other than in circles (as it keeps doing, rather like a perpetual motion device). If you'd like to continue talking about it with me, leave a note on my talkpage and I could hop onto IRC sometime. Otherwise, I leave you with a cookie and wishes for a better day. Jink  20:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I also apologize for the massive wall of text. Jink  20:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, first things first, I apologize.
 * Eveidentally your point of view is not what I took for granted.
 * WoTs are nothing to apologize for, if they were, Mendel would have been banned early on and none of us would have heard of him, but look at him now =) I mean that he's an admin, a BCrat, and whatnot, not that he's stopped producing WoTs, we all know he never will
 * I'm not sure you've read everything I've said. ...part of the misunderstanding is that we didn't know OptimeDoom was your friend... yes, I can understand that, but no more. As I have pointed out before, generally if people archive their TalkPage, people congratulate them and pop in to say hi, they don't mock them and make them feel ashamed. If he did archive, please explain to me what harm would have been served. At worst I was being random more than anything else, at best I was doing no harm.
 * I would like to make the point I know I did wrong in regard to you; I should have made time to clarify your point of view instead of instantly summoning a grudge. I was feeling defensive, and I saw your comment as another uncalled for attack, I'm sorry.
 * I appreciate your comment on Warwick. I would hope that her Sysop status would be revoked, or at the very least questioned, when people look at this and notice that it is not unusual for her in anyway, and that she never should have been promoted. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Sup
Guild wars! Lord of all tyria 23:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ^spam --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 20:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

GW:NPA
Warwick has taken offense to the last two sections on your userpage. Could you please express your displeasure in a les insulting way? -- ◄mendel► 20:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I will be lurking around, checking my TalkPage in case anyone wishes to contact me. But all in all, I have largely left the site. So being blocked shall affect me in the most minor of ways.
 * Warwick proved me correct, he provoked me, then kept picking at a scab, annoyed me on IRC, then proceeded to ban me.
 * As I consider it a fact more than an insult, please give me a reason to do so.
 * If you think I am correct or otherwise with the... suggestion... would also be something I would be happy to learn. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 20:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Warwick is a she, as far as I know. Just so she doesnt get more offended, and even worse things happen. I would like to say that in my eyes you are being treated unfair. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 20:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I agree, but besides Warwick (himself / herself / other), I am the most contaminated with bias =/ --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 20:38, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Things I want to say
I would like to say first of all that I have a tremendous respect for the site as an entity. It's exceptionally unfortunate that something so great also has users which annoy me to such an extreme.

However, I can't help but feel that this must be my failing. As other people have been here so long, and remain, it is clear that I am leaving shows a character flaw or several which mean(s) that I simply don't belong here. Which I do see as a pity (for me - not being full of myself here).


 * Dr. Ishmael: Yeah, you're one person I don't expect to see / care about this. But I would like to say that you always seem cool headed, you consider your words carefully, and you are a great asset to this site.


 * El Nazgir: Thank you. You have been a loyal friend, and I have enjoyed having mini- debates with you. You are a good person who has a point of view, which is explained well, but not put above what others think. Unfortunately this is a minority in the current userbase, as far as I can see. I would hate to think leaving this site means leaving everyone who sticks by it; if you wish to, I would love it if you add I Use S T D Curses to your Friends list and give me a shout sometime.


 * Entropy: Haha, of all the people least likely to read / care about this, you must be the one. And yet, here I am, oh well.


 * I was unfair to you, and I have apologized for that before. I do so once again. That you held such respect and faith, for so long, says more than I think you currently give it credit for. And I'm disappointed in some respects; had you chosen to, I do not doubt you could have rallied the old support once again. Perhaps that would have been good for the site. Perhaps it would have been bad, perhaps it would make little difference. I guess we will never know.


 * Felix Omni: The first thing that comes to mind is I owe you an apology. I did get emotional about the Elite Luxon Mesmer armor... incident. It was quite a while after that I saw I had taken it to heart far too much, what was probably just a joke, maybe even meant to help me feel welcome, I could only see / take one way. I know you much better now; and know whatever your intent, you were not mocking me. So I'm sorry.


 * You have defended me when you had no reason to, other than your believe I was right, or at least not overly long, and I appreciate it. I may well have a reputation for often singing Mendel's praises, however, if I could choose one user which is the... healthiest for the Wiki, I would pick you.


 * Also, while you have never really specified, I can only assume as a result of me not really standing out to you you have often seemed like a friend to me; and I thank you for it, intended or otherwise.


 * Mendel: You have been a good friend to me, and I thank you for it. You are eternally willing to help new users, which makes them infinately more likely to stay as active contributers, and you should be commended for it. Everyone knows this is good for the site. Few have the patience to do so, however.


 * Please don't be disappointed by how short this is, you already know how much I respect you; and making this longer would only serve to make me repeat myself.


 * OptimeDoom: Meh, more than anyone else, I'm convinced you'll never wander over here. Talk to ya IG or on MSN / GWW. =)


 * PanSola: Another person who almost certainly will never see this, but you do strike me as a person who considers what they say very carefully, and who I do not see ever pulling rank on anyone, or for that point, making anyone feel unwelcome. Other people do not always manage to avoid these things, unfortunately.


 * Vipermagi: Personally, I feel the site would benefit greatly from you being a BCrat. You're an approachable person, who, once again, can remain cool headed. You don't offend other users, and you can be relied upon to make logicable decisions.


 * --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 23:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * ..I can? Also, if I get RFBC'd (?) I'd turn it down. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  23:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)