Talk:Ravager

Where, WHERE is it in the big vast Maguuma jungle.. I wish someone would say. :) --Karlos 22:16, 12 Oct 2005 (EST)

Lol I bet it doesn't exist Skuld &Dagger; 06:38, 18 October 2005 (EST)


 * I wish I can be so certain. I know I have never met it and I have scoured the Maguuma Jungle a few times, cover to cover. But if he's a boss, then there is a chance I'm just not lucky. --Karlos 11:37, 18 October 2005 (EST)


 * I know what this is. It isn't Black Ravager, just Ravager.  These are the creatures that spawn if you kill one of the tree guys (can't remember the name) that you aren't supposed to kill during the bonus for the Bloodstone Fen mission.  These guys are lvl 20 nightmare creatures, and have some good drops (gold weapons).  I've heard rumors that they drop Ectoplasm, but after doing a half-dozen runs, I haven't gotten any.  --Rainith 13:10, 18 October 2005 (EST)

spawning
Right now it reads like, for each guardian I kill 4 will pop out. However, my experience was they only spawned the first time I kill a guardian. The other guardians I kill didn't spawn ravagers.

Thus if you completed the bonus in the same run first, you only get to fight 4 ravagers total, not 4 &times; however many guardians there are.

If that can be confirmed by someone else too, maybe reword it a bit? -PanSola 17:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Four pop out for the first guardian that you kill, after that you cannot complete the bonus. If, after killing a guardian you go to drop a seed on one of the stumps to call a druid, instead 2 ravagers will pop out.  No time to change the article if it needs it, but I hope that clears up any confusion.  --Rainith 17:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You can complete bonus first, then go back and kill the guardians. That was how I did it.  The confusion is whehter killing a second, third, and forth guardian will each spawn 4 additional ravagers.  The current article says killing ANY will spawn 4, which reads  more like a yes to me, even though my personal experience was no.  Thus, if you aren't confused, at least *I* am ~_~""" -PanSola 17:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Note I said after you kill a guardian you cannot complete the bonus. :)
 * Yes, but you made it sound like (to me at least) ravagers spawn ONLY IF you kill a guardian before completing the bonus. Mistakening your intentions, I felt I had to respond to that. -PanSola 21:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Ravagers will only appear for the first guardian you kill, but the way I read it is that by any it means any one of the dozen or so guardians there that you kill will spawn ravagers, but it is still just the first one that dies that causes the ravagers to appear. So if you run past the first five guardians, but end up killing the sixth, that one will spawn the Ravagers.
 * The way I read it is ALSO it doesn't matter which one you kill. Killing any one of them spawns 4 ravagers.  BUT the wording also sound like, it doesn't matter which two you kill, killing two guardians will spawn 8 ravagers total, which was not my experience.  THAT was my main point all along. -PanSola 21:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If you want to maximize your Ravager farming though, you need to not do the bonus as I don't think the ravagers will spawn at stumps that druids have already spawned at. --Rainith 17:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes that is correct. I wasn't trying to farm ravagers, just trying to kill as many of them as possible while doing the mission/bonus, since I was there already anyways. -PanSola 21:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Basically, my point is: The article sounds like if you kill 2 (any 2) jungle guardians, 8 ravagers total will spawn (4 for each one that you killed). If you kil 4 (any 4) Jungle Guardians, 16 ravagers total will spawn (4 for each one that you killed). That has NOT been my experience, so I believe the wording of the article needs to be cleared up.

The use of "any" can imply it is (and remains) true for each individual case. But my experience is, it is only true the first time, though it doesn't matter which case is the first one. -PanSola 21:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Then fix the article. :)  --Rainith 22:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I made an attempt, fix further if needed. --Karlos 13:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)