User talk:NieA7/Build:N/any Dedicated Minion Master

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 * (see coments below)--&mdash; xis10al  [[Image:Xis10al_sig_icon.jpg]] 12:21, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
 * &mdash; ::A mont :: 12:31, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Merge with MM guide - don't need everyone and his mothers MM build scattered about &mdash; Skuld  08:02, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
 * nothing special, minions + healing for minions --09:14, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Reasoning
First of all I apologise for adding yet another minion master build, but looking at the others I can't help but feel that they have the wrong emphasis for PvE play. In a reasonably sized team there's no need for a MM to carry any direct damage skills, much better that they focus on creating minions and keeping themselves alive.

I realise that 12 + 1 soul reaping will probably be regarded as excessive, but at least that way you're never in the position where you don't have enough energy to create at least a bone horror - if needs be a quick Taste of Death will give you almost enough right off the bat. Besides, Dark Bond has a duration longer than its recharge even at Blood Magic 0, so there's really no need to spend the points elsewhere.

Finally, for all the people who are thinking "I wouldn't touch a MM build without Bone Fiends with a 10-foot barge pole", it's my honest belief that Vampiric and Bone Horrors are much more useful for a team than Bone Fiends. Sure, they do less damage over time, but you've got 7 other dedicated killing machines with you - the amount of damage your minions do (Flesh Golem aside) is always going to be less than the damage another player can do. Much better to create a wall of flesh to keep your rangers and spellcasters safe and to keep the enemy distracted while warriors and assassins pound on them. -- NieA7 (23 June 2006)


 * I have playtested this build, and much like you mention above, my only real problem, though minor, with it is no Fiends. With no many meatshields running around, it's hard for the Flesh Golem to make his way into battle to deal his damage, or get close enough for an effective Death Nova.  But I'm still voting favorable, as the horde mentality does work.--&mdash;  xis10al  [[Image:Xis10al_sig_icon.jpg]] 12:25, 23 June 2006 (CDT)


 * He already mentioned that it doesn't have any fiends. :D While I haven't personally played this build, one of my guild mates plays it regularly, so I am in favor of this build. &mdash; ::A mont :: 12:31, 23 June 2006 (CDT)


 * this is a good build, similar to the one i use. two problems
 * nothing to start the army with, i know you already talked about that, but i find Rotting Flesh very effective in PvE, where most critters are some other species then the players. plus it's not dependant on minions dying.
 * this is not different enough to justify a stand alone article, consider merging at the bottom of General minion mastery guide
 * --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 14:07, 23 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I agree that Rotting Flesh is useful in PvE, the problem is that there's not one skill on the bar that I would lose to take it. The animates and blood of the master are prerequisites for a MM build, dark bond and taste of death can keep you alive long after the rest of your party have snuffed it and death nova can cause ungodly amounts of damage if used correctly. I'd happily lose the Res Signet (can't res me after all), but I've found that other people start looking at me real funny if I'm the last one left and I can't do anything other than make minions out of them...


 * If I were to take this build (and I've played similar), I'd probably remove Taste of Death or Death Nova to make room for something like Rotting Flesh. But that's just me - I don't really like using either skill in an MM build. As for the bone horrors vs. fiends - I prefer fiends, but the two times I messed up and brought horrors instead of fiends, they did the job. If I were to keep Death Nova in my build, I'd go with horrors over fiends any day.--KaliMagdalene 14:40, 3 July 2006 (CDT)


 * I guess I'm the only one who doesn't find a -4 degain on it's own all that sexy, but seeing as you good folks are all calling for it I'll add a variant for a more overtly aggressive MM. Well of Suffering stacks nicely for a -10 degain (even though it exploits a corpse a well that lasts 31 seconds is worth it IMO, and in a well organised party it's unlikely that anybody else will be using corpse exploitation spells), and I've found that Rising Bile is another good combo with Rotting Flesh (cast both and leg it - target gets a -4 for 26 seconds, then 4 seconds later gets hit with a 120 damage spike).


 * Coincidentally a couple of days ago I was kicked from no less than 4 Tombs B/P parties for claiming to be a MM while being a secondary Mesmer, and even in the party I finally did join the monk left after I said I used pure death/SR. I feel so shunned ;.; --NieA7 (4th July 2006)


 * I don't agree about merging the build in with the MM guide, in fact I don't think there should be any builds in that article at all - that's a general guide, this is the section for specific builds, I don't think the two should be mixed (just link to MM builds that get voted as favoured). The article as it stands is fairly exhaustive, the builds seem almost tacked on as an afterthought. I think it would be better if they were removed from the article and added to this section as builds to test (and to be honest I think the Basic Army Master and Golem Master builds would be voted unfavoured pretty quickly too). --NieA7 (26th June 2006)


 * "I've found that other people start looking at me real funny if I'm the last one left and I can't do anything other than make minions out of them..." ROFL that is a real classic. --Xeeron 11:52, 26 June 2006 (CDT)