GuildWiki talk:Wikia Migration

Copy+Pasted word for word from entropys talk. If anyone has another way to put it, go on. I just think that it should be in a more accessable location than Entropys archive. &mdash; Warw/Wick 18:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Header needs to be updated now, though. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Noes it doesnt :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well played, sir. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Updated, and made it so its not only to Entropy now. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not verbatim! You are hax. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Protection
I'm not protecting atm, we'll see how much it'll be vandalised imo. --- -- (s)talkpage 18:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Remove the notice then? I just wanted to be pre-emptive. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm leaving it because: Others might think otherwise. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Article can be protected independently from the talk page... I see no reason for anyone to edit the article anyways, so might as well go pre-emptive. Unless someone else has a reason not to protect it? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  18:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There might be other news related to this, released later on. Who knows? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In which case autoconfirmeds, and wikia staff members, can add it. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The notice might invite random vandalism though... -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 18:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So either protect it now, or remove the notice. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Annoyed...
I'm assuming this is due to the migration and everything, (I've been away for the past couple days) discussion pages now swap the nav sidebar to the right side. Is there a way to keep this on the left? Because it is very irritating. -- Sk8  (T / C)  15:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's an april fools prank, on my talk page I have a note - I will remove in about 10 mins if nobody thinks it is appropriate RT | Talk  15:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its an april fools prank, which imo is annoying. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Gap on the right hand side
Since today I've a gap on the right hand side of the wide of the nav-menu on the left hand side. That annoys me since I've to scroll more down. I like stuff wide without wasting space. Will that be changed? --Birchwooda Treehug 15:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That "gap" is caused by the placement of two other wikia wikis and four ads that you're probably blocking; it looks awful, and I hate it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The ads go on the right with our menu. Or on the bottom. This is insanely disruptive. They also appeared to have added a ton of extra junk on a page about remembering to sign. And as usual, they posted a message at the top of the page and didnt remove it when it was complete.&mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 17:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is why I'm disliking wikia currently. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 17:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like copying User:AT/monobook.css will make the gap go away; the side-scroll bar is annoying, but tolerable. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And the side-scroll bar apparently only shows up in IE, so all you FF junkies can be happy. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just copy+paste mine, it fits better. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, anyone using this may need to tweak the size to fit their resolution. YMMV. -- AT (talk | contribs) 18:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed it to 85% and its now the perfect width on my 19 inch screen at 1280*1024. I don't suppose theres any chance similar coding alchemy could deal with the new layout of the editing page "This is a talk page. Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ )." :@ --Cobalt | Talk  18:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. I'm currently trying to remove the crap with the Starting new page. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm on #wikia asking them about it right now <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  19:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * @Cobalt: I had a look to see if I could remove that message, but the div it's contained in doesn't use have any id or class (bad form imo) so it's not easily hideable. But I agree, it's irritating. Try User:Poke or User:Galil, they're probably more experienced at this than me. -- AT (talk | contribs) 19:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Found it here. -- AT (talk | contribs) 20:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Favicon
Original GuildWiki favicon seems to have been lost and replaced by Wikia favicon (yellow "W"). TulipVorlax 16:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * looks like this was fixed Angies 15:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * With some pressing... <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  15:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Great
All internal external links have been broken... again. What I mean by that are links to history pages. Like this. Every one of those links made before today no longer works. The same thing happened when we moved to wikia's servers. Is there any way to fix this, without going through every link and manually changing it? --Macros 18:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Show/Hide-feature
Some show/hide-features on my userpage do not work any longer (e.g. ). Is that correct? Will that be fixed? --tapps75 20:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Preliminarily, it seems that Show/Hide only works now if information to be toggled is added in the /NavFrame page, although this severely limits customizability. I'm still messing with them, though. [[Image:Ruricu-sig.png]] ( Talk • Contribs) 23:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is the show hide stuff working everywhere else? Because suddenly some changes that I made to my own css regarding it are showing up unexpectedly. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 03:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My showhide things are working normally, though I have other formatting added rather than just using the showhide template itself. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Showing up unexpectedly how? As I mentioned here, I made some changes a few minutes ago to make the HTML on the site behave more like it did before.. --KyleH (talk) 04:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Ads
I don't know where else to put this, but this is ridiculous, the entire lay out of my userpage is fucked up from the new ads on the right. I am DAMN SURE that Wikia said they'd lower the ads to One Per Page, which it clearly is not. I bet there are tons of pages also fucked up from this. Someone with authority go harass them plz =(--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 21:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a seperate issue from the move, go to Wikia Migration.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  21:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't consider Wikia spotlights as "ads", so I only see one ad per page on Monobook (well it's one ad "unit" often containing 4 sub-ads in it), and one ad per page on Monaco. Zero ads on Quartz (logged-in).  We probably have a problem of definitions here )-:  On the other hand, the problem of the layout of your user page is completely tied to you being counting on everyone visiting your userpage to use the same resolution to get the same pagewidth, so that design in and of itself has issues )-:   -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * True, they technicly only have one Google Multiad, the others are "Wikia Spotlights" so they don't legally count.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  21:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * DNA, take a look at User:AT/monobook.css, He/She "fixed" it :)--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 21:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you use an Adblocker, you can get rid of the extra load times, too. AT only has them hidden. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Block out http://ads.wikia.nocookie.net/ 870 block hits :)--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 21:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we not discuss methods of "how to let Wikia make less money" on the wiki? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, that would be repressing us then. Anyway, now that we've moved over there, I've noticed that the load times have tripled, and I spent a good hour or so trying to figure out how to get the damned background back in at the top --Gimmethegepgun 22:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Me too, i thought it was my internet at first, but other sites load normal. "Technically" 1 ad or not, it's in a terrible place, it compresses the pages, and i'm aware that my pages be screwed over by this is, largely, my fault, but there's got to be other pages that are now crooked because the main area is now compressed.--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 22:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't noticed any lag. I just wish they would move the ads somewhere else, they're annoying as crap on the right. Think of how ticked people got at pan's april fools' joke, it's like that all the time >.> --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm mostly frustrated by the way half the html on the wiki suddenly stopped working. My character templates look like stupid, and Ruricu and I can't figure out how to fix them. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry DNA, my page is also screwed up with this newly created right column, even with the ads blocked by ABP. And with the numerous coding issues with the migration, I am one very frustrated user right now.  I don't quite have to time to over-haul my whole damn userpage to fix all the broken code now.  And I'm hoping on Ruricu to fix our Show/Hide issue. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  22:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Shadocrest, it'd be different. The mirror joke would've put the ads on the RIGHT SIDE!!! Mwahahahahahahaha -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Why are none of them closing? Or recognized as code now? -- 22:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate it when they change the fucking wiki coding, cuz then it messes up THOUSANDS of /div tags and THOUSANDS of external links that start with gw.gamewikis and all redirect to the fucking main page instead of what they are SUPPOSED to link to. It's annoying as hell.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, to start a div, type , NOT   -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No even the /divs that come at the end are messed up.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I cant end a div, I can start them, look at my header on userpage, I want to put a /div to end the box and add the note below but I can't.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 22:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, the coding on your user page has epic breakages... the fact that the old codebase didn't show those breakages is like IE doing things wrong so that ppl writing things wrong don't see the problem... >_<" -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Explain how is broken then please? And why I can't close the box off?--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 23:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the CENTER that is killing stuff. Its very existence breaks the DOM and causes DIVs not to close.  You also had some FONT tags (which shouldn't be used also, but not the reason divs isn't closing IMO) that are not closing. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, in older versions of your header, not properly-closed FONT tags are also part of the problem why Divs aren't closing (the browser is still waiting for you to close the FONT first). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know many of you have already fixed the HTML in your user pages and in other places, but I went ahead and changed a setting so that MediaWiki will automatically clean up that code for you like it did before. It's a quick fix to a bigger problem (the bigger problem being that the HTML is broken in the first place), but hopefully it will help get things back to normal more quickly. --KyleH (talk) 03:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

on the bright side
They got rid of patrolled edits. No more red exclamations on RC FTW. Special:All log working is also FTW. <3 --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also: Polls are FTW.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  22:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bleh. I don't want to see them popping up left and right, but it's a nice feature to have I suppose. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * But I LIKE the red exclamation marks! this is an EPIC PHAIL imo--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Eww. >.> --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and I also HATE the new image that appears in my tabs now. It looks way to pixelated, completely unoriginal, and like they took all of three seconds to make it. At least change THAT back to the original. BLEH.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 23:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean in browsing tabs? I can't remember what it used to look like --Gimmethegepgun 23:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't either, but it looks suckage. Also, I see that message now and I have your .css gimme. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 23:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It used to look more like the shield that we have as our logo, much like GWW has their shield logo for their tab image.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 23:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, now I remember it. Might still be laying around on the server and we could change it back. And you know, I find it REALLY sad that less than 24 hours after the move, half the users have already nuked most of the changes into oblivion with their monobook.css --Gimmethegepgun 23:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * /bandwagon.
 * Wikia servers = great. Wikia sponsoring or whatever = awesome. Wikia crappy-ass skin changes without any options for users = nuke. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  23:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, if anyone can get me a location for the old little icon (or upload it) then I know how I can OWN NUKE their piece of crap logo they gave us and replace it --Gimmethegepgun 23:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The little icon in browsing tabs (and next to the URL) --Gimmethegepgun 23:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Wikia crappy-ass skin changes without any options for users" <- um, aren't you being self-contradictory? We can change stuff. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I also have no idea what icon he is talking about, Entrea. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8 (T / C)  23:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The little icon next to the URL has been changed back already. On Firefox and IE. What's wrong with you?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * NVM, I logged on after it was fixed. You'll need to clear your cache.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just did, and that piece of shit that they put in there (a sad little GW) is still there --Gimmethegepgun 23:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * When you click a link from TOC on talk pages it turns into a W again.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 23:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The "sad little GW" was uploaded by RT I think. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Gimme, it's ALWAYS been that "sad little GW"[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (Reset indent) RT uploaded that today entrea :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the same icon by the URL I saw when we were still at the old gamewikis.org.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it used to be a shield like the logo --Gimmethegepgun 23:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not since I've been on the wiki, at least as far as I can remember.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've always seen a gold/black GW.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 23:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you implanted false memories in my brain by describing that old picture, because I think I remember it now. o_O[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

This page is broken
Why?--<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 03:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Screenshot? Things look normal to me. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I get the feeling someone didn't nowiki a /div a few sections up. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nvm, fixed now.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 03:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Found the extra  ;) --KyleH (talk) 03:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

ADS GO ON THE BOTTOM!
I expect a comment from Wikia as to why the ads are no longer on the bottom and left side and are on the right side. This is EXTREMELY disruptive and throws off alot of the pages on a smaller resolution monitor. Many templates overflow into these ads and its horrible. I'm tempted to leave this wiki in favor the shittier but at least more pleasant to look at official one if this isn't rectified. &mdash;130.245.209.133 07:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Make a account and "hack it", wikia is a monster that doesn't negotiate.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 07:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Venting thoughts
I like the poll tag that we can do. I do not like:
 * 1) The white sidebar
 * 2) The implications of that (they broke my page - and now I have to fix it)
 * 3) The loss of the favicon (it's in the right place, but all I see is a taunting wikia W)
 * 4) The fact that they created some work finding and restoring the mediawiki defults.
 * 5) The Wikia messages sidebar
 * 6) Jimmy Wales <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  07:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just customize over the sidebars, my main gripe is the lag, yes there's been more since the url changed! Otherwise I learned a bit about manipulating from this experience.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 08:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've asked a wikia team member to see if they can change it <font color="Blue">RT  </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  08:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey guys, I hear you on the ad positions. I mentioned this three weeks ago when I first posted about the migration and no-one voiced that this was an issue. Now that I know it is, I am looking into what we can do to help. Will get back to you asap Angies 15:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  15:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

A new thing to worry about
Hey guys, watch this. http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u289/karloth666/rickroll1.gif Neat, huh. Posting an image's URL direct-links the image now; vandals can image-spam without having to go through the trouble of creating an account and uploading images. Also, this probably breaks countless talk pages with links to screenshots and the like on them. Sweet. 08:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * External image hotlinking is *supposed* to be disabled I think... with photobucket being on a whitelist >_<"  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, as you can see from this image http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9832/badgerdj1.jpg taken from User talk:Lann, that's not the case. Hotlinking will be bad for load times, and would be very easy to exploit- post a thousand links to that rickroll gif on one page to see what I mean. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's better now. :D [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No it's not <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  15:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If there is concensus to do so, we can remove the ability to use any external images. By default, as PanSola said, most external images are blocked; however, a few sites like ImageShack are whitelisted.  You can view the full whitelist here. --KyleH (talk) 17:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Because hotlinking removes the need for licensing details, one of the things we take rather seriously here, I would vote to remove the capability altogether. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Remove imo --Macros 18:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Username Survey
Hey everyone. I know that some of you are worried about losing your usernames when we merge the user databases (per this discussion). I'm looking in to ways of preventing (or at least minimizing) username conflicts (especially among the most active users here), so I'd appreciate it if you could sign below to indicate whether or not you have already registered a separate account on Wikia in order to ensure that you are able to keep your username.

Sign your name with " "

I already have an account on Wikia that has the same username as my GuildWiki account

 * KyleH (talk)
 * Made it a while back &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 17:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage
 * [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]
 * Zulu Inuoe

I do not have a Wikia account separate from my GuildWiki account

 * I tried registering, but it appears to have been taken by an inactive user. [[Image:Maui_sig.png]]
 * Macros
 * I also tried registering but my name is taken :/ <font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green">Talk</B>

Comments

 * 3 tildes gives name w/o date, by the way. Less cluttering. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)