User talk:Defiant Elements

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Favoured: Unfavoured:
 * 1) A keeper. Always helping voting on builds plus other useful edits.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  15:11, 3 January 2007 (CST)
 * 2) Unfavored. Until this user lets me use some of his userboxes, or at the very least points me in a good direction to get some more, I don't like this user at all. (complying with my demands will result in my moving of this vote to the "Favored" section.) Jioruji Derako 01:55, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * You might consider looking at the UBC - Gem's Userbox Competition. Also may I direct you to my userpage, which has many userboxes. I only ask for a small note of credit in return. Entropy 01:58, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * That will do nicely. Entropy has saved you this time, D.E., but don't count on avoiding my wrath again so easily. *wanders off to Entropy's page to rip off as many ideas as he can carry* Jioruji Derako 13:00, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * P.S. Oh yeah, and D.E. is a great help to the Wiki and all that. Thanks for the help with the Critical Fox build too. Jioruji Derako 13:00, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Just so you know, anyone is welcome to use my user-boxes. Defiant Elements 19:53, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * Is it alright if I change my vote to "Very Favored" then? Jioruji Derako 21:15, 12 January 2007 (CST)
 * 1) DE is teh Buildman. Most of his builds are great, he tests loads, makes informed comments and gives good reasons for his votes. A big asset to the builds section and the wiki as a whole. -- Hyperion` 20:42, 22 January 2007 (CST)
 * 2) Above comment. -Misfate 18:06, 29 Januarry 2007 (PST)
 * 3) If I owned a build accadamy, id hire you.--&mdash; Hyprodimus Prime  [[Image:hyprodimusprimewikisig.png||talk]] 22:04, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * 4) Favoured forever. --SBR 23:33, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * 5) stay, wtf has he done wrong?-Lokre
 * 6) nice work on the build section Defiant.--Vazze 13:37, 8 February 2007 (CST)
 * 7) How can you not favor him?Cheese Slaya 17:49, 22 February 2007 (CST)
 * 8) It's a tough job, but someone has to do it :) NightAngel 09:59, 23 February 2007 (CST)
 * 9) BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE VOTED FOR YOU :D! And you use constructive critisism :D![[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] 18:54, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * 10) Signed my page, so yes favored.- [[Image:Avatar of Lyssa.jpg|19px]] Leader Rat ( Sign ) 06:28, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * 11) Lots of builds. I like em. Good thing he's here! -X H K
 * 12) Have my babies... lol j/k. Seriously, Defiant = Leetsauce. --NYC Elite 20:04, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 13) You're a good user, its good that you rate alot of builds I like that. - Viktor 14:00, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 14) He favors my builds and he joins in my contests. Great guy! --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   11:42, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 15) super --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 00:17, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 16) Rawr on. -- Friend of Chaos [[Image:Sbgroup.gif|22px|]] 21:48, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 17) Great Build comments/insight --TehSlug
 * 1) you're rude.  You continually accuse me of things that in my opinion are not true you have a whole section on your page dedicated to talking shit about me --Jagre 21:45, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) Needs more cowbell! --8765 21:07, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * 3) I cna't bleiv yu dno't korrekt baad speilleng! --Zamanee 18:12, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * 4) I want your build making experience! --InfestedHydralisk 20:01, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * 5) I am predujuce against luxon Grrr. Solus  [[image:Shield_of_Judgment.jpg|19px]] 23:23, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * 6) [[image:jups.jpg|16px]] 11:38, 10 March 2007 (CST) noobish build coments
 * 7) I hate you - wait I voted already! - 69.85.158.163 05:04, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 8) I hope you get more here.

Delete: Merge:
 * 1) I vote your gone-
 * 2) Looks like a thief just waiting to happen. &mdash;[[Image:BlastedtSigleft.jpg]]Blastedt[[Image:BlastedtSigright.jpg]]&mdash; 17:48, 25 January 2007 (CST)
 * 3) Do you even read the builds before voting? 68.121.17.141 01:11, 27 January 2007 (CST)
 * 4) It's a shame but you have to go :-( --Nightslayer 23:21, 28 January 2007 (CST)
 * 5) — Jyro X [[Image:Darkgrin.jpg]] 21:09, 29 January 2007 (CST)
 * 6) ^ All apply [[Image:Vow of Strength.jpg|20px]] AmericanVlad 17:03, 19 February 2007 (CST)
 * 7) NO!!!!!!!! GO AWAY!!!!! CRushTurner 21:47, 20 February 2007 (CST)
 * 8) /shoo -- SigmA 12:11, 27 February 2007 (CST)
 * 9) Get out of here! ^ All apply too. -- Nova  [[Image:NovaSmall.PNG]] --  (contribs) 12:31, 10 March 2007 (CST)
 * 10) You are too reasonable! And your sensibility scares small children! Be gone I say! :D lol Readem 21:02, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) He might possibly have a little something somewhat in common with someone. {Jioruji Derako} 19:11, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Undecided
 * 1) So many choices can't make my mind up. Arrgghhhh! -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 08:57, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Minion Guide thing.
When you get the chance could you look at This? I'm still in the process of making it, but input is welcome :) --Dazra 04:30, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

Hey 2 things
Hey, its Readem. I have a question relating to your contest. Do you know if Extend Conditions can be used before conditions are applied, and still extend the conditions? Secondly, I read about your suggestion about creating a VoS Running page, and I would be glad to help. I have actually been begging for that for months XD. If you look through all the Derv VoS builds (Tested) I hve hinted several times. Start up a page, and leave the link here, and I'll help ya with it. ~Readem

Warrior union issues.
Ok, as for both issues, i couldn't find a "warrior humor" section, and this is why I figured putting a "other" section and linking to it might have gotten the ball rolling. As for location, to be honest, i couldn't find any guidelines on "humor" content, even if the page is a tongue in cheek attempt to work on a situation which while humorously protraiyed, is still present every day.


 * I've put an appropriate warning to the TWU page. While this is an attempt at tongue in cheek discussion, there is   still a serious underlying issue that I believe should be explored. Also, your link didn't work, and i would like to see where it is written that all humor has to be in userpages. Cheers! --Lullysing 01:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)


 * For crying out loud, I went to sleep and find out it's been deleted. Hell man... --Lullysing 07:21, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

about solus' ban
Didn't want to drag out the discussion on the voting page too long, so I'm putting my reply here: maybe they did ban his ip, but he has a dynamic one? I can restart my router and get a new ip in 30 sec myself, hell, I can atmost stay connected for 36 hours before I get a new ip. –Ichigo724 01:42, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * True, I have a program (inactive most of the time) that reroutes my IP, and those are very easy to get, so it is possible he is just using one of those. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Even a proxy does fine for that, built into most browsers even. :/ –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 01:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Solus is such a pain in the butt --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 01:45, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I actually have at least two IP's myself, I think. (I like to check my watchlist with my PSP, does that make me a Wiki-addict?) It's not all that hard to get on after you've been banned, if you really want too. I personally don't think it's a good idea to argue or anything though, while you're already temp-banned... here's hoping he doesn't get himself banned again while he's banned... --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jioruji Derako.> 02:15, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Resolved for now at least. The IP Solus has been using has also been banned, but he can still get around it again.  This could quickly get ridiculous.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

Leave the poor kid alone.. --Sig mA   16:07, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

[[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings"
y u get rid of my 'whatever you call em box's? -- "Wings" 02:22, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Which one? Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * the one i just made with the you have been nomitated, like the box i made b4 with Warning: the following page contains the plot of u. -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 02:23, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I didn't deleted the one about my being nominated, it is right at the top of my page. The other one is still there too right beneath guest book.  If you want I can take screenshots and upload them to show you.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Lol dw i just seen in my watchlist you had made an edit of -200 things just after i made the box lol come to the worst conclusion -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 02:28, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * No, in fact, what I deleted was the note that I myself had added about my nomination since I liked yours better. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * i see that now, proberly should check page first, but was busy making sumamry table in ur nomitation -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 02:30, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, so I saw. You missed a couple of favored votes though, Readem posted just after you created the summary, and Lania nominating me counts as a favored vote as well.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * well of course i didnt see reaem's vote, and forgot about the nomitation vote, was adding in under the summary or just under the for voted, forgot it all in the disgust about my message box lol. -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 02:33, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Do you know how to make coloums? -- "Wings" 07:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

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poll
Already voted on the offical one too :) --Dazra 03:49, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Other users comments
Editing other users comments is not allowed, not even to fix grammar. ;) Not a serious thing, but some people don't like you correcting their comments. -- (talk) 03:52, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok, alright. I was just always taught to not have pronouns that didn't clearly refer back to a noun.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

Requests for adminship/Defiant Elements
I've already gone through once and moved all discussion to the talk page, i'd appreciate if you could do the same with the most recent &mdash; Skuld 15:14, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Alright, done. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

BuildWiki?
No offense, but you're missing the point. Entirely. We're nuking the existing section so that we can a) get rid of all the laughable, ridiculous builds up there, and b) retain the good ones and start anew. I've got to ask why you decided to save every single build on the wiki. Just about all the Unfavored builds are crap. A number of the vetted ones are pretty bad too. You should concentrate on saving the good builds, or even the ones you question but are more-or-less accepted by the community, instead of everything; the good with all the bad. By doing this you're undermining all the good things that NOB/PNB hopes to accomplish, while simultaneously nulifying all the good things about the current system (discussion & debate on build development, community collaboration, etc.) Other than as a pre-nuke historical reference, I don't at all see the good in what you're doing. - Krowman (talk • contribs)  01:49, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Don't worry, it will all get culled by me. It isn't all gonna stay.  I am just starting with everything.  I will still probably keep records of all the builds, but my final product on my user page will only have the good stuff.  As to BuildWiki, well, that was a joke.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

User talk:Jagre
This user has demonstrated multiple times that he is not willing to listen to reasonable advice. The situation has been reported to an admin (which you already know since you also commented there), so although I don't like to give up on a community member, let's just leave things alone. Jinkas 02:30, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Just a reminder... Jinkas 03:00, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah I know, it is just so infuriating though. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:01, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I agree, and let me tell you, it's very hard to not jump into that discussion. It's a completely unreasonable standard.  The builds section is not a tournament that pits the builds against each other.  Each build needs to be evaluated according to the purpose for which it is designed.  But you and I both know that.  Jinkas 03:04, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The saddest part is that it is things like this that are the reason that the Build Section is getting removed. NOB and PNB are reflections on the inability of certain users to act in the best interest of the community.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:06, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The other annoying thing is that Jagre seems to have mood swings. At one point it seems like you have finally gotten through to him (and we have certainly tried hard enough), and the next he goes off and starts nursing that grudge again.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:10, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Agreed. I think it all stems from the personal connection he feels to his build.  It got unfavored, he took that as a personal attack, and now he's doing what I believe he perceives as a permitted personal attack in order to get people to notice his build and push it into favored.  Unfortunately, if anyone notices his build there's a good chance they'll just add another unfavored vote and the whole nasty cycle repeats itself. Jinkas 03:13, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * BTW, go look at the Move Log and tell me why you moved Build talk:E/Me Hurricane to be an orphaned talk page. You need some sleep!  :-) Jinkas 03:16, 21 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Already saw an responded on the build's talk page. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:19, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

what is NOB and POS ?
 * GW:Post No Builds and GW:No Original Builds, they are the policies that are getting rid of/wiping the build namespace. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:18, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Another reminder...you don't have to have the last word. :-) Drop the vandalism of your talk page off at an admin and just leave it.  If you look through my talk page's history, you'll see that he also deleted some of mine.  I left a note on his talk page (as did Ishmaeel with a general message about not deleting from talk pages) but it mysteriously disappeared (Ishmaeel's is still there).  That's plenty of warnings. Jinkas 03:27, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah I know. To be honest, this is the most personally invested I have gotten in any of these conflicts.  I am usually completely calm, but there is just something about this that gnaws at me.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:31, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Reported to Gem. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:34, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

WTF!!! - Jagre 07:42, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Saved builds
By taking your section out of the "archive effort" article, I trust you no longer want to be responsible for said articles? -Auron  03:53, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Really depressed about builds, so I made one...
How does this look for a possible UW solo farmer, thought of it after rating the one thats presently in Untested... I know you busy and all, w/ your nomination for admin (congrats)so if you don't get a chance to see this one, thats ok :). Just thought someone should see it... Readem 04:02, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

When signing...
...please also use the date. I noticed that you only use 3 tildes to sign, effectively leaving the date out, which makes tracking timelines harder. Could you please use 4 tildes to sign and leave the date at the same time. Thanks. :) -- (talk) 05:25, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Speaking about signing with dates Gem, you didnt sign my guest book with a date when you signed that! -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 05:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm so sorry. :) I thought you wanted to keep your guestbook good looking and simple with not much text. Some votes and guest book like things are sometimes signed without a date, but only if there is no good reason to have one. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 05:45, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Well i do, thats y i cleaned it up so much, made a nice table with no random sentances. -- "Wings" 05:46, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Curious
I am curious, how do you think you would benefit the GwWiki Community by becoming an Admin? Solus  00:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Insert Heading == ==

(1) Where did your Guest Book go?

(2) About your recent move on to non-Build section Wiki helping: personally I think it is too little, too late to save your RFA, but I am glad to see you diverting your energies to more productive aspects of GWiki. Props. :) (T/C) 01:13, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Oh, I have known my RFA was dead for a while. I just don't see the point in trying to fix a build section that is gonna get wiped shortly, but, I am still an insomniac, and if I am not editing something on the Wiki at 2 AM, what else am I gonna be doing. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 01:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The great thing about the RFA is that now you know exactly what needs done so that you can be an admin in the future, so maybe the next RFA months from now will be better? :-) --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 01:48, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Sleeping... Solus  01:18, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Insomnia... <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 01:19, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Then whack yourself over the head with something heavy, it may hurt, but a goodnights sleep will fix that. Solus


 * Eat chocolate and chips. -- Xeon 01:22, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * If I whack myself over the head, I won't get REM sleep, so I might as well just edit the wiki. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 01:23, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Well, its your life :) Solus   01:24, 21 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Lunesta, NyQuil, and sedatives tend to work for me. Ask your doctor today.

This user suffers from Insomnia


 * Too lazy to finish the userbox. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:24, 21 March 2007 (CDT)


 * I won't recommend sleeping pills for anyone [] And that's not the only drug that have some bizzare side effects.  I've heard of people having sex while asleep, eating, having a conversation, etc all the while with some really bizzare behavior.  --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 01:52, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually, what you have just described are various forms of parasomnia. Having sex while asleep for example is a condition known as sexsomnia which is a form of non-rapid eye movement (NREM) parasomnia (similar to sleepwalking) that causes people to commit sexual acts while they are asleep.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 02:36, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Comment
Congratulations on adminship, btw ;)

I'm about to post a new build, so I have a question that I probably know the answer to. Can I move erroneous disccusions about me to like, my user page? I know the answer is no, but just wanted to make sure.

Anyways - all eronneous statements and all that I hope are posted under the new subject heading of my user page, just FYI. :D see ya later man. Jagre 04:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Well first of all, I am not an Admin, I was nominated, but it is unlikely that I will be confirmed. Aside from that, I think the problem is that you aren't allowed to be the judge of the aforementioned erroneous material, and, as you no longer own the build once you post it, you aren't the arbitrator of it. So yeah, as far as I know, the answer is no. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 04:17, 21 March 2007 (CDT)


 * How do I make a new link called build talk:N/W Jaguar Sword, melee-mancer anti/Archive 1 ? - Jagre 07:45, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

I am very intrested too, for my own reasons... how does the archiving work. I made a mistake, I now wish to correct it!:D. Readem 19:18, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Wikistress
Hey I noticed your wiki stress increased gradually the past few days...you ok? I'm sorry the RFA thing didn't work out but I'm sure you'll be admin in the future. As far as the other things that have been going on with "you know who"... and other problems, try not to let it get to you. Or you can always take a break since things are kinda heated at the wiki lately :( --Lania Elderfire 23:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Nothing to do with the RFA. I didn't expect to be confirmed so I wasn't particularly disappointed, just stressed in general.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 02:03, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

Mr. Elements,

 * Well... builds also need to be somewhat related to the build itself. A title should give the reader a sense of what he or she is about to see.  Jaguar Dream is in no way related to the build.  Anyways, this isn't really original is it?  Anti-Melee curses + SS.  It's 4 AM so I am not gonna check, but I can't imagine this has never been done before.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 04:04, 23 March 2007 (CDT)

Even so, it has not yet been named. "Spiteful Haste" is two names of two skills combined. Naming something usually is more that than combining two names of it that already exist.

Jaguar Dream, to some, might evoke a certain feel that I think desribes the build quite well...


 * Special:Recentchanges Jebus. Chill out eh? :P -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 02:42, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Editing comment(s)
Eh? Why'd you do that? It's not user space, comments can't be edited out at will. -Auron  04:13, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I moved the comment to the discussion... actually, Skuld got mad at me for not moving discussion on votes to the discussion page. I am sooo confused! <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 04:13, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Moved eh? Kk. That's fine. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 04:14, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Test Request
Could you test my latest build Build:Rt/N_Palpatine it just got unfavored however I think the voters dont have the same insight as you do. I can test any of your builds in return and give you my vote if you should you want to. If you dont want to test it atleast read it its atleast abit humorus-- ( √ iktor ) 21:14, 25 March 2007 (CDT)


 * How very kind. I'd rather have common sense than "insight". [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:17, 25 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Hmmm.... here's the thing. I have taken requests in the past, and I obviously love making/testing/discussing builds.  However, with the current problems with the vetting system, the soon to occur build wipe, and my other pet projects such as the policy I am currently working on, I don't think the best thing for me is to start editing builds again.  There was a period of a few months where I would look at every untested build daily and vote on most of them.  To be honest, I am trying to quit as it were.  I will try to look at it and test it, but I don't think I can vote on it.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 23:59, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Hey, don't worry about it. Your Wikistress-o-meter says you need to take it easy for a little while. I'll help you (Viktor) test and develop your build, which you should probably copy to your user space. Just give me a day or so to give you some good input. I'll post on your talk page and give you my preliminary feelings. Sound good? - [[Image:Candle.jpg|12px]] Krowman (talk • contribs) 00:04, 26 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Yeah, I am still doing some administrative stuff in the build section, but I am trying to stay away from voting. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 00:05, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Administrative? I didn't know your RFA was resolved yet. Congratulations I guess, even if they are belated. - [[Image:Candle.jpg|12px]] Krowman (talk • contribs) 00:23, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry about the misunderstanding. I am not an admin.  By administrative, I merely meant things like putting on RABs/Cleanups/Deletion, etc. that qualifies as administrative work in my book.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 00:24, 26 March 2007 (CDT)


 * I still have a shot to become an admin, the vote is in my favor by about 6 votes I think (although the vote doesn't actually decide it). Tanaric and/or Biro ultimately makes the decision, Tanaric hasn't weighed in yet, but Biro already voted opposed so I am doubtful.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 00:27, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

GFDL
I dont know who else to ask, so ill just post it here. Why are people having all of these "GFDL" boxes? What do they mean?--&mdash; <font color=#B00202>Hyprodimus Prime   22:01, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Alright, so, someone asked me the same question earlier (it is in one of my archived pages), and Krowman answered before I got a chance to do so. So, I would like to quote his answer since I couldn't phrase it any better: "Basically, I believe it is to release your contributions into the public domain so that people may make use of them. Specifically, these GFDL tags have sprung up so that the official Guild Wars wiki can use these released contributions and get established that much quicker."  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 22:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm aware of what Krowman and you meant, DE, but that statement "it releases contributions in the public domain" isn't correct, and it's probably better to avoid using that term since it might cause confusion. Public Domain is very different from GFDL. If you release something to Public Domain, you give up ALL rights to that, including copyright and such; anyone can do anything with that material. GFDL not only leaves you with your copyright, but also has many restrictions on the resulting copies made from that material as well (they need to be GFDL, not proprietary, need to make available the source material if published in large numbers, etc). Hope that makes sense. :) --Dirigible 23:44, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Oh I see....so anyone can have one up?--&mdash; <font color=#B00202>Hyprodimus Prime   23:29, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, everyone decides whether they want their edits to be released so that anyone else who wishes to use what you have done without violating copyright stuff can do so. The idea is primarily for the official wiki I believe.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 23:31, 25 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Yup. Basically means that if someone wants to grab a contribution of yours from here and add it to the new wiki, they can do so without legal ramifications. --Dirigible 23:44, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Return Message
I still don't know what the system is for messaging here, so I posted it on my talk page as well as here (with notes on each). Thank you for coming to me calmly about this. I'm relatively new to the wiki, so seeing somebody who sympathizes with my frustration instead of just flaming me is greatly appreciated. I know I was in the wrong to remove the tag, and I understand the wiki ruling. I will not break it in the future. However, it seems like there's a serious double standard here--I'm not allowed to make a unilateral decision to remove the tag, but somebody is allowed to make a unilateral decision to place it there in the first place (after not even reading the build setup, nonetheless!). I would be perfectly fine with all criticisms of my build if the aggressive parties had actually read the page which they admitted to having not. -S Penumbra