User talk:Defiant Elements/Archive 3

Minion Guide thing.
When you get the chance could you look at This? I'm still in the process of making it, but input is welcome :) --Dazra 04:30, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

Hey 2 things
Hey, its Readem. I have a question relating to your contest. Do you know if Extend Conditions can be used before conditions are applied, and still extend the conditions? Secondly, I read about your suggestion about creating a VoS Running page, and I would be glad to help. I have actually been begging for that for months XD. If you look through all the Derv VoS builds (Tested) I hve hinted several times. Start up a page, and leave the link here, and I'll help ya with it. ~Readem

Warrior union issues.
Ok, as for both issues, i couldn't find a "warrior humor" section, and this is why I figured putting a "other" section and linking to it might have gotten the ball rolling. As for location, to be honest, i couldn't find any guidelines on "humor" content, even if the page is a tongue in cheek attempt to work on a situation which while humorously protraiyed, is still present every day.


 * I've put an appropriate warning to the TWU page. While this is an attempt at tongue in cheek discussion, there is   still a serious underlying issue that I believe should be explored. Also, your link didn't work, and i would like to see where it is written that all humor has to be in userpages. Cheers! --Lullysing 01:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)


 * For crying out loud, I went to sleep and find out it's been deleted. Hell man... --Lullysing 07:21, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

about solus' ban
Didn't want to drag out the discussion on the voting page too long, so I'm putting my reply here: maybe they did ban his ip, but he has a dynamic one? I can restart my router and get a new ip in 30 sec myself, hell, I can atmost stay connected for 36 hours before I get a new ip. –Ichigo724 01:42, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * True, I have a program (inactive most of the time) that reroutes my IP, and those are very easy to get, so it is possible he is just using one of those. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Even a proxy does fine for that, built into most browsers even. :/ –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 01:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Solus is such a pain in the butt --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 01:45, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I actually have at least two IP's myself, I think. (I like to check my watchlist with my PSP, does that make me a Wiki-addict?) It's not all that hard to get on after you've been banned, if you really want too. I personally don't think it's a good idea to argue or anything though, while you're already temp-banned... here's hoping he doesn't get himself banned again while he's banned... --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jioruji Derako.> 02:15, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Resolved for now at least. The IP Solus has been using has also been banned, but he can still get around it again.  This could quickly get ridiculous.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

Leave the poor kid alone.. --Sig mA   16:07, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

[[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings"
y u get rid of my 'whatever you call em box's? -- "Wings" 02:22, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Which one? Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * the one i just made with the you have been nomitated, like the box i made b4 with Warning: the following page contains the plot of u. -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 02:23, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I didn't deleted the one about my being nominated, it is right at the top of my page. The other one is still there too right beneath guest book.  If you want I can take screenshots and upload them to show you.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Lol dw i just seen in my watchlist you had made an edit of -200 things just after i made the box lol come to the worst conclusion -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 02:28, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * No, in fact, what I deleted was the note that I myself had added about my nomination since I liked yours better. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * i see that now, proberly should check page first, but was busy making sumamry table in ur nomitation -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 02:30, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, so I saw. You missed a couple of favored votes though, Readem posted just after you created the summary, and Lania nominating me counts as a favored vote as well.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * well of course i didnt see reaem's vote, and forgot about the nomitation vote, was adding in under the summary or just under the for voted, forgot it all in the disgust about my message box lol. -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 02:33, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Do you know how to make coloums? -- "Wings" 07:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

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poll
Already voted on the offical one too :) --Dazra 03:49, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Other users comments
Editing other users comments is not allowed, not even to fix grammar. ;) Not a serious thing, but some people don't like you correcting their comments. -- (talk) 03:52, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok, alright. I was just always taught to not have pronouns that didn't clearly refer back to a noun.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

Requests for adminship/Defiant Elements
I've already gone through once and moved all discussion to the talk page, i'd appreciate if you could do the same with the most recent &mdash; Skuld 15:14, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Alright, done. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

BuildWiki?
No offense, but you're missing the point. Entirely. We're nuking the existing section so that we can a) get rid of all the laughable, ridiculous builds up there, and b) retain the good ones and start anew. I've got to ask why you decided to save every single build on the wiki. Just about all the Unfavored builds are crap. A number of the vetted ones are pretty bad too. You should concentrate on saving the good builds, or even the ones you question but are more-or-less accepted by the community, instead of everything; the good with all the bad. By doing this you're undermining all the good things that NOB/PNB hopes to accomplish, while simultaneously nulifying all the good things about the current system (discussion & debate on build development, community collaboration, etc.) Other than as a pre-nuke historical reference, I don't at all see the good in what you're doing. - Krowman (talk • contribs)  01:49, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Don't worry, it will all get culled by me. It isn't all gonna stay.  I am just starting with everything.  I will still probably keep records of all the builds, but my final product on my user page will only have the good stuff.  As to BuildWiki, well, that was a joke.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

User talk:Jagre
This user has demonstrated multiple times that he is not willing to listen to reasonable advice. The situation has been reported to an admin (which you already know since you also commented there), so although I don't like to give up on a community member, let's just leave things alone. Jinkas 02:30, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Just a reminder... Jinkas 03:00, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah I know, it is just so infuriating though. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:01, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I agree, and let me tell you, it's very hard to not jump into that discussion. It's a completely unreasonable standard.  The builds section is not a tournament that pits the builds against each other.  Each build needs to be evaluated according to the purpose for which it is designed.  But you and I both know that.  Jinkas 03:04, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The saddest part is that it is things like this that are the reason that the Build Section is getting removed. NOB and PNB are reflections on the inability of certain users to act in the best interest of the community.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:06, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The other annoying thing is that Jagre seems to have mood swings. At one point it seems like you have finally gotten through to him (and we have certainly tried hard enough), and the next he goes off and starts nursing that grudge again.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:10, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Agreed. I think it all stems from the personal connection he feels to his build.  It got unfavored, he took that as a personal attack, and now he's doing what I believe he perceives as a permitted personal attack in order to get people to notice his build and push it into favored.  Unfortunately, if anyone notices his build there's a good chance they'll just add another unfavored vote and the whole nasty cycle repeats itself. Jinkas 03:13, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * BTW, go look at the Move Log and tell me why you moved Build talk:E/Me Hurricane to be an orphaned talk page. You need some sleep!  :-) Jinkas 03:16, 21 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Already saw an responded on the build's talk page. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:19, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

what is NOB and POS ?
 * GW:Post No Builds and GW:No Original Builds, they are the policies that are getting rid of/wiping the build namespace. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:18, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Another reminder...you don't have to have the last word. :-) Drop the vandalism of your talk page off at an admin and just leave it.  If you look through my talk page's history, you'll see that he also deleted some of mine.  I left a note on his talk page (as did Ishmaeel with a general message about not deleting from talk pages) but it mysteriously disappeared (Ishmaeel's is still there).  That's plenty of warnings. Jinkas 03:27, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah I know. To be honest, this is the most personally invested I have gotten in any of these conflicts.  I am usually completely calm, but there is just something about this that gnaws at me.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:31, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Reported to Gem. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:34, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

WTF!!! - Jagre 07:42, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Saved builds
By taking your section out of the "archive effort" article, I trust you no longer want to be responsible for said articles? -Auron  03:53, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Really depressed about builds, so I made one...
How does this look for a possible UW solo farmer, thought of it after rating the one thats presently in Untested... I know you busy and all, w/ your nomination for admin (congrats)so if you don't get a chance to see this one, thats ok :). Just thought someone should see it... Readem 04:02, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

When signing...
...please also use the date. I noticed that you only use 3 tildes to sign, effectively leaving the date out, which makes tracking timelines harder. Could you please use 4 tildes to sign and leave the date at the same time. Thanks. :) -- (talk) 05:25, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Speaking about signing with dates Gem, you didnt sign my guest book with a date when you signed that! -- [[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings" 05:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm so sorry. :) I thought you wanted to keep your guestbook good looking and simple with not much text. Some votes and guest book like things are sometimes signed without a date, but only if there is no good reason to have one. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 05:45, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Well i do, thats y i cleaned it up so much, made a nice table with no random sentances. -- "Wings" 05:46, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Curious
I am curious, how do you think you would benefit the GwWiki Community by becoming an Admin? Solus  00:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

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(1) Where did your Guest Book go?

(2) About your recent move on to non-Build section Wiki helping: personally I think it is too little, too late to save your RFA, but I am glad to see you diverting your energies to more productive aspects of GWiki. Props. :) (T/C) 01:13, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Oh, I have known my RFA was dead for a while. I just don't see the point in trying to fix a build section that is gonna get wiped shortly, but, I am still an insomniac, and if I am not editing something on the Wiki at 2 AM, what else am I gonna be doing. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 01:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The great thing about the RFA is that now you know exactly what needs done so that you can be an admin in the future, so maybe the next RFA months from now will be better? :-) --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 01:48, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Sleeping... Solus  01:18, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Insomnia... <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 01:19, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Then whack yourself over the head with something heavy, it may hurt, but a goodnights sleep will fix that. Solus


 * Eat chocolate and chips. -- Xeon 01:22, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * If I whack myself over the head, I won't get REM sleep, so I might as well just edit the wiki. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 01:23, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Well, its your life :) Solus   01:24, 21 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Lunesta, NyQuil, and sedatives tend to work for me. Ask your doctor today.

This user suffers from Insomnia


 * Too lazy to finish the userbox. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:24, 21 March 2007 (CDT)


 * I won't recommend sleeping pills for anyone [] And that's not the only drug that have some bizzare side effects.  I've heard of people having sex while asleep, eating, having a conversation, etc all the while with some really bizzare behavior.  --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 01:52, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually, what you have just described are various forms of parasomnia. Having sex while asleep for example is a condition known as sexsomnia which is a form of non-rapid eye movement (NREM) parasomnia (similar to sleepwalking) that causes people to commit sexual acts while they are asleep.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 02:36, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Comment
Congratulations on adminship, btw ;)

I'm about to post a new build, so I have a question that I probably know the answer to. Can I move erroneous disccusions about me to like, my user page? I know the answer is no, but just wanted to make sure.

Anyways - all eronneous statements and all that I hope are posted under the new subject heading of my user page, just FYI. :D see ya later man. Jagre 04:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Well first of all, I am not an Admin, I was nominated, but it is unlikely that I will be confirmed. Aside from that, I think the problem is that you aren't allowed to be the judge of the aforementioned erroneous material, and, as you no longer own the build once you post it, you aren't the arbitrator of it. So yeah, as far as I know, the answer is no. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 04:17, 21 March 2007 (CDT)


 * How do I make a new link called build talk:N/W Jaguar Sword, melee-mancer anti/Archive 1 ? - Jagre 07:45, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

I am very intrested too, for my own reasons... how does the archiving work. I made a mistake, I now wish to correct it!:D. Readem 19:18, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Wikistress
Hey I noticed your wiki stress increased gradually the past few days...you ok? I'm sorry the RFA thing didn't work out but I'm sure you'll be admin in the future. As far as the other things that have been going on with "you know who"... and other problems, try not to let it get to you. Or you can always take a break since things are kinda heated at the wiki lately :( --Lania Elderfire 23:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Nothing to do with the RFA. I didn't expect to be confirmed so I wasn't particularly disappointed, just stressed in general.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 02:03, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

Mr. Elements,

 * Well... builds also need to be somewhat related to the build itself. A title should give the reader a sense of what he or she is about to see.  Jaguar Dream is in no way related to the build.  Anyways, this isn't really original is it?  Anti-Melee curses + SS.  It's 4 AM so I am not gonna check, but I can't imagine this has never been done before.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 04:04, 23 March 2007 (CDT)

Even so, it has not yet been named. "Spiteful Haste" is two names of two skills combined. Naming something usually is more that than combining two names of it that already exist.

Jaguar Dream, to some, might evoke a certain feel that I think desribes the build quite well...


 * Special:Recentchanges Jebus. Chill out eh? :P -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 02:42, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Editing comment(s)
Eh? Why'd you do that? It's not user space, comments can't be edited out at will. -Auron  04:13, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I moved the comment to the discussion... actually, Skuld got mad at me for not moving discussion on votes to the discussion page. I am sooo confused! <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 04:13, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Moved eh? Kk. That's fine. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 04:14, 25 March 2007 (CDT)