Talk:Dhuum

Nightfall Connections?
Should a note be added that there is speculation Dhuum may be the "evil, outcast god" of Nightfall? Citing as supportive evidence, the Chaos Rifts, implying a possible connection to the Chaos Planes and The Fury, identical in appearance to The Four Horsemen of Dhuum. -- Sunyavadin 13:22, 7 August 2006 (BST)
 * As long as it's only speculation, and no indication whatsoever is given by ANet, no. The Chaos Rifts don't count as supportive evidence IMHO, because there is no connection to Elona. --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 07:42, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
 * all that is "possible", i.e. not confirmed. template:c3 talks about confirmed information only. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 07:43, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

It's pretty obvious that the Dragon Festivel rifts and the ones in the ruins of the tombs came from the same place. "Dark Master" can only really mean somone such as him, not to mention the fact that part of the ruins resemble the underworld, which at one point was Dhuum's domain. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.192.188.142 (talk &bull; contribs) 21:36, 7 August 2006 (CDT).
 * patience. i wonder how many people were certain about the afflicted before factions was released? how many people were certain about the mursaat and titans around the BWE? anet has their secrets, just wait. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 08:49, 8 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I would argue that the dryders INVADED the Underworld, from elsewhere, so it doesn't matter how similar part of the ruins resembled the Underworld. We do not know if the Terrorweb Dryders serve Dhuum, even if the same evil entity is responsible for the Terrorweb Dryders in the Underworkd, the Darkness in the ruins, and all the chaos at the Dragon Festival. - 19:15, 16 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Some members of the Shadow Army of Menzies have black tentacles growing out of their backs similar to those sticking out of the ground in the Tomb of the Primeval Kings, so the forces of Dhuum could've aligned with Menzies after Dhuum's fall. Another possibility is that the unnamed evil god is a previously unmentioned god of darkness who is the evil counterpart to Dwayna in the same way that Dhuum and Menzies are evil counterparts to Grenth and Balthazar. -- Gordon Ecker 01:40, 22 September 2006 (CDT)

speculation, speculation, speculation and fan fiction has no place but here on the discussion page until it is confirmed. --User:Aptaleon Griefhaven
 * I can't see it anywhere else?.. &mdash; Skuld 10:38, 27 September 2006 (CDT)


 * Abaddon's status as the former god of water disproves the symmetry theory. Another possibility I just considered is that Dhuum may be undead like Orcus of D&D (between his death and revival in the metaplot) or a ghost like the Neverborn of Exalted. -- Gordon Ecker 22:28, 4 November 2006 (CST)

Anet being funny
If you say Dhuum, it sounds just like Doom so everything is "Whatever of Doom" lol xD --Kabraxis 18:07, 4 January 2007 (CST)
 * Variations on the word "doom" used as names are quite common in fantasy literature, whether as an in-joke among authors or as simple laziness. Anet's carrying on a long tradition and following many literary notables. =) — HarshLanguage [[Image:qswearing_small.png|HarshLanguage]] 18:14, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Timeline
The Margonite temple in the Depths of Madness predates the exile of Abaddon and the conflict between Abaddon and the rest of the pantheon. This temple has a desecrated statue of Grenth, but no statue of Dhuum. All Olias' statement indicates is that he believes that Grenth will deal with Abaddon in a more permanent way than the other gods (plural). I interpret that as meaning that Grenth wanted to kill Abaddon but the other gods overruled him in favour of imprisonment. Although it appears that Grenth wasn't able to deal with Dhuum permanently, which suggests wishful thinking on Olias' part. Assuming the Scriptures of Grenth are accurate, Grenth was the god of death at least as far back as 48 BE. -- Gordon Ecker 00:51, 21 January 2007 (CST)

That is most definately not necessarily true, the Margonites could have easily built or added to that temple afterwards. Furthermore, why would Abbadon and Dhuum be working together? As either way one was wronged by the other even if your theory is correct. The fact is, the timeline is unkown, and that quote should remain, even if the anylasis shouldn't.--TheDrifter 18:37, 22 February 2007 (CST)


 * The Scriptures of Grenth specifically state that Grenth was around in 48 BE. This is directly supported by the Temple of the Six Gods and inferred by the history in the Prophecies and Nightfall manuals. Olias' statement has at least two possible intepretations, one of which is completely consistant with both the Scriptures of Grenth and the Nightfall manual. -- Gordon Ecker 19:05, 22 February 2007 (CST)