Talk:Miniature

Archive 1

Knock Down
I've known this for a long time, and that is if you're effecteded by AoE KD your miniature will also get knocked down. Miniatures have a few other effects too, I think they can give channeling energy if you have Shiro, but I'm not sure if that's entirely true. Some types of miniatures can't be knocked down though, or at least it's not as visible. For a fact I know Shiro and Charr Shawman can be KDed. 12.181.68.234 23:39, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Noticed that for my Mini Temple Guardian too. I'm pretty sure it works at least with Giant Stomp, I gotta try that with my pets.. --zeeZ 16:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)
 * I saw a Temple Guardian, Varesh, Hydra and Kuunavang all getting knocked down by [Giant_Stomp] --zeeZ 15:45, 4 November 2006 (CST)

Miniature pets even can be "indirectly healed": if you use e.x. Healing Seed or Healing Burst and the miniature pet is near the person being healed you will see those little blue sparkles above it. In case of Healing Burst the spell will even cost the additional 5 mana. T.T.H. 03:49, 22 November 2006 (CST)
 * I wonder if it contributes as an ally for "adjacent" purposes, like for Horns of the Ox. &mdash; [[Image:Pure_Strike.jpg|20px|User Page]] Feurin Longcastle  [[Image:Pure_Strike.jpg|20px|User Page]] 13:09, 14 December 2006 (CST)
 * I tried that out against an Oni, the minipet actually prevents the knockdown (Via Horns of the Ox) of both you AND the enemy (I used it against the oni and it wasn't knocked down), so its kinda double sided, I feel betrayed by my hydra... Wyvern Afini 13:18, 18 February 2007 (CST)

I've seen a similar effect for a while when farming, as it triggers the green damage puff from Spiteful Spirit. --Zerris- (talk) 06:38, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Targetting Minipets
The article says that you are unable to target a Minipet...However I managed to target mine (and interestingly discover that they are called 'Dolls'

It also seemed to carry the icon stating the size of my party. This may be a glitch with the new minipets but thought it was worth a note.

I've linked to a couple of screenies for proof by the way.






 * I have also been able to target someone else's Mini Gray Giant in Shing Jea. although it said "Miniature Gray Giant" and was level 1. Sorry, but no screen shot. ---Archmaster936 18:35 17, February 2007

I have targeted others mini's as well, I have a few screens too. I wonder what can cause this and why? B.N 17:38, 19 February 2007 (CST)

The article still states that minipets cannot be targetted, however there has since been another update and targetting minipets is still possible so i think this should be changed. --Chronicinability 23:56, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Actual doll names
Through a past bug, and a newer one at this weekend, people have been able to select and view the names of the items.

Move "Minature Hydra" to "Birthday Hydra Doll" etc?

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~ajdeboer/guildwars/hydra.bmp

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/lursey/gw645.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1850/gw057lv6.jpg

and so on &mdash; Skuld 04:11, 18 February 2007 (CST)


 * You might notice that most of the miniatures don't have articles of their own... We've just used their actual creature's article, with the exception of the Miniature Pig and the Miniature Gray Giant.  --Rainith 04:15, 18 February 2007 (CST)


 * This is not my day :P I moused over grey giant and assumed the rest had pages too.. ah well ^^ &mdash; Skuld 04:17, 18 February 2007 (CST)


 * They could be created as redirects to this article. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 04:45, 18 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds?
Which minipets make sounds? --Ttnonose 06:47, 20 February 2007 (CST)
 * Only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Kuunavang, Charr Shaman, Jungle Troll. Pretty sure there's more but I don't quite remember at the moment --Blobulator 00:27, 21 February 2007 (CST)
 * Whiptail makes a chittering sound, and I think the hydra does a mini-roar. --Zerris-[[Image:ZerrisSig.jpg]] (talk) 06:44, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * I believe my mini turtle can make a stomping noise, but I can't confirm that. Mightywayne 06:43, 28 February 2007 (CST)

Actual number of limited minipets
Concerning the Rollerbeete the page states that there are top lists for every continent. Could anybody confirm that? I was only able to find the European one, even on the American GW-homepage (It must be the European one or a global one, as I'm on it). And there is another question that comes to my mind: Did anybody NOT on the top list get a beetle? As there are lot's of accounts which have more than one entry, there must be either people who got a beetle though not beeing in the list or there are less that 100 Beetles (per list). --Kai Neah Nung 20:55, 21 February 2007 (CST)

About the above statement, I cant even find ONE page that states it was 100 per continent, or "Reigon" I have 2 acconts one for UK and one for US and I have to say that the names on the lists are the same for the two diffrent servers! can anyone PLEASE Confirm if there was 500 or only 100?


 * There are actually less then 100 ingame: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2577438&postcount=47

Annual Series
Just wondering, my oldest char is coming up on one year in April, so will he get a first annual present or a second year one for the second year of Guild Wars? Or will it have a chance of either?--Cursed Condemner 17:39, 25 February 2007 (CST)


 * He'll get a first annual present. It's based on how old the character is, nothing else. --Shattered Self 07:16, 26 February 2007 (CST)


 * Actually, until April 2007 this will not be confirmed. Two of the several possibilities are that either all characters will recieve a first annual series present on their first birthday and a second annual series present on their second, or that any character created after April 2006 will be wholly unable to get a first series present, instead recieving a second annual series present on their first birthday (The more likely scenario in my opinion). Other suggested possibilities have been that existing minipets may become Level 2 on a character's second birthday (a suggestion stemming from the recent appearance of the "Birthday Doll Lvl 1" tags on some minipets, patched out as a bug but possibly underlying code for a forthcoming update) or that the second birthday present may in fact be of a wholly new, non-minipet type. Until Anet release concrete info regarding this, and the article can cite that as source, we do not know what will happen next month. --Sunyavadin 05:29, 5 March 2007 (GMT)


 * And one more possibility: No more presents on a second birthday. Would be lame and I don't believe in it, but it's still possible. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 05:10, 5 March 2007 (CST)


 * Gaile has confirmed: a new set of miniatures will be coming. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10124585 - Sunyavadin 23:46, 18 March 2007 (GMT)

New Mini Pet?? - Ghostly Hero
Is it real?


 * Yea it is I made the topic I saw it ingame--Dr.D 11:27, 26 February 2007 (CST)


 * It's definitely real. Gaile confirmed it further down in this threadTknorris 13:12, 26 February 2007 (CST)


 * yeh someone in LaG's group got it last night from the HoH chest &mdash; Skuld 13:10, 26 February 2007 (CST)


 * Updated the image links for it Atma 00:48, 7 March 2007 (CST)
 * Reverted the update ... the image of the ICON goes there, not the image of the mini pet. The mini-pet image is further down the page in the gallery. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:50, 7 March 2007 (CST)
 * Ooops. My bad. Sorry about that. Atma 00:04, 8 March 2007 (CST)

Including real names?
In bone palace today I was pulling up multiple miniatures, and I got a "Collectors Edition Varesh Doll" to pop up when I used my varesh, Using the same stratagy I got the names of a few others, is this information of any value or should it just be disregarded? Match 15:36, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * At most, I would say make those redirects to this article. No need to list all of those names, but a single comment in the notes section may be reasonable. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:40, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * If no one's ever going to end up typing those names in to search, there's no reason for a redirect, but noting the names here would be good. --Fyren 19:49, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * Good argument not to use the redirect - although I still don't think we need to list the "doll" names; just a general comment in the notes section seems adequate to me. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:15, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * Um... I don't think they mean typing that name into the search. I think they mean actually seeing that name pop up when they (opened) their Varesh in a town or Outpost. See the bottom of the miniatures page where the Birthday Bone Dragon Doll is listed. I was wondering about this as my minis arent displaying names or levels. Is this a glitch or a partial update? RavenJWolfe) - 16:37, 20 March 2007 (CST)

Kuunavang re-visited?
What has happened to Mini Kuunie? How come she appears to have dropped off the list? I know she's been out of favour for a while, but that's no reason for her to lose her role on this list as well...!! --Altariel Noldorin 18:56, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * Still on the list ... scroll down further (not alphabetical for whatever reason). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:58, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * They are sorted by method of availability. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 19:20, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * To me, being fully alphabetic would be more useful. Anyone coming to the list will likely know the name of the one they want info on ... the method of acquisition isn't very likely to be known, so isn't all that useful for finding the miniature on the list. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:23, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * The problem with the current sortng is that finding something acording to name isn't as easy, although the miniatures are listed alphabetically within the method of aqcuirement/rarity. The problem with alphabetical sorting is that it is really hard to find anything according to availability, which is imho more helpfull to users. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 19:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * I've redone the table, please give feedback. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 20:03, 26 February 2007 (CST)


 * I still don't see the value of the availability sort - but this change does at least help some to make it more obvious how it's sorted.
 * The real question to me is how is someone going to come at this list? Are they going to come at it saying "What were the available miniatures from such-and-such", or will they come saying "What information is available on Miniature so-and-so"?  To me, it would usually be the second one as I suspect the majority of users are mainly wanting to see what a particular miniature looks like, which would mean alphabetical should be the primary sort key.  From there, they can see what the availability was next to the name.
 * On a side note ... what is the intended use of the "Notes" column? It's blank in every case.  --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:12, 26 February 2007 (CST)
 * When I originally created the table, they were in alphabetical order. Although I still think that that is more useful than by acquisition method, I didn't want to make an issue of it. "Notes" was created for things like "roars" or "wings make a flapping sound", or "only 100 are available". I just didn't have enough miniatures or knowledge to actually put stuff in there at the time. - Lord Ehzed 22:59, 26 February 2007 (CST) (PS - Original discussion regarding the order is under "Complete Overhaul" above.)
 * In response to: "To me, it would usually be the second one as I suspect the majority of users are mainly wanting to see what a particular miniature looks like" The gallery below is there for this use and it is sorted fully alphabetically. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 00:56, 27 February 2007 (CST)

Kanaxai Miniature Picture
Well with the lighting and angle of that picture, it's very hard to make out any of the details on the Kanaxai Miniature from the current picture. Anyway in a recent thread on GWOnline about the new Ghostly Hero Miniature, someone posted a screenshot of the Kanaxai Miniature asking if it was new too. Though there were characters in the background it was a much clearer picture than the one currently in the miniature gallery. I was just wondering if this picture would be better to put into the gallery over the old one (I didn't want to go over the old one if it's still considered better by guildwiki's guidelines).

Heres the image:

I made it the same size as the Miniature Yeti one incase there was something about sizing and thumbnails, since the Yeti one looked fine.

Original Link To The Person's Screenshot: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8245/gw378nf6.jpg

--Blobulator 01:40, 27 February 2007 (CST)

New ones everday,are more to be found?Is the end near,will we be able to sell our crappy pets anymore?
well just a notice,but a-net has been mass releasing new pets into the game,started with a varesh and gray giant,and now a ghostly hero,come on, i cant afford to keep buying more and more for my collection :(,but as the ghostly hero came out of a chest,would that mean others may be found too?if im walking through shing jea and pop open a 40gp chest will a mini abbadon or some other brand new mini pet no one has ever seen come out?><.But as another topic,the main point i could think of for anet releaseing so many new ones was the major decline in the first annual series value,but seing as the market is being flooded with these new ones, i think the economy will be screwed.No one at all wants to buy the old ones anymore, all i see now is wtb-mini kanaxia,oni,yeti,mallyx,naga,panda,etc.how will we sell our doubles of the old ones now.Point is, its either a-net stops mass produceing new pets or a garbage can fire with people throwing mini pets in it at dis 1 LA.Snipey lizard 20:38, 27 February 2007 (CST)

And the Answer is... Garbage Can Fire. But regardless, they'll always be worth at least 3-5k, just 'cause they're better then nothing. See pricing on Mini-Whiptail. --Zerris- (talk) 20:33, 27 February 2007 (CST)


 * You say: "come on, i cant afford to keep buying more and more for my collection" and "No one at all wants to buy the old ones anymore". If no one wants them, prices are down. Not a problem for a collector then. Also, are you serious with your 40g chest miniature drops? Ofcourse ANet wont do that. The HoH chest is the single chest in the game which is opened less than any other chest type (of the high level chests anyway) as it can only be opened once every 8 minute by all GW players, where the other high level chests get opened constantly by dozens, hundreds or thousands of players. You can be pretty sure that this is the only ches dropping them.
 * Why do you even make such a fuss now after the Ghostly Hero? Why not after the Coffer of Whispers mini? Why not after the collectors edition minis? Why not after the magazine promo minis? I see the GH mini as the smallest problem considering mini influx. Besides, isn't it nice that anyone can afford a mini? Those with more money can show off with more expensive minis then. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 05:22, 28 February 2007 (CST)

My reply statement to this debate is...........yo momma,lol jk,but my point is that the market is still being flooded,there is a new one everyday,obviously they are rare,but the only problem i see here is the magazine promo and IN GAME ones, as these have no limit,players will only go to these areas for them now,and its gonna be another varesh and gray giant catastrophe.And i already have the first annual less wanted ones,got em awhile ago,but i dont seem to be able to afford 200-800 ectos atm,as many others,so :P..........the 40gp shing jea chest was just an expression to how this will turn out,more and more types/numbers of these pets=lesser value,even though some are really unwanted now,aka the pig,there should be a limit to the numbers so the market won't crash,this can hurt all the economy in the game,not just the pet market,and plus its really getting annoying to just see people saying this: wtb mini kanaxia,panda,oni,yeti,naga,mallyx-100k+xx ectos to 800 ectos,.....will also buy mini shiro....4k,(*buyer is embarrassed to be the only one wanting an old,over populated pet. well my main point out of all this is that there has to be a limit to the numbers,either they stop mass produceing them or put a set limit to how many can be in the game,or we dump all the pets in a mass crevace and drop a nuke in it just to stable the money flow,for a week or so......Snipey lizard 15:50, 28 February 2007 (CST)


 * You seem to be missing the point. "as these have no limit,players will only go to these areas for them now" So what? Only one chest is presented for the whole population every 8 minutes. There wont be more chests for more players trying to get to HoH. And what does it matter if ANet adds miniatures which can be farmed? --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 16:39, 28 February 2007 (CST)

Archive?
"WARNING: This page is 42 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." --Zerris- (talk) 20:33, 27 February 2007 (CST)
 * I'm doing the archiving atm. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 06:48, 28 February 2007 (CST)
 * Archived. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 06:54, 28 February 2007 (CST)

Levels?
I was in Yohlon Haven earlier today and some minipets had levels over their head. My mini Kuunavang had a lvl1 above her. Yet a mini Prince Rurik was left out. I will get a pic up in a sec. Laforge 00:21, 1 March 2007 (CST)

here is the image http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Mini_pet_level.jpg Laforge 00:21, 1 March 2007 (CST)

I have indeed seen that too over my Jade Armor. I thought it was a glitch, so I put it away and pulled it back out, but then it was gone. -- TehSlug

Newest figures
Can anyone confirm/deny these? &mdash; Skuld 10:10, 1 March 2007 (CST)

This's the first time I've heard of these. Definitely cannot confirm. Sounds odd that they would release more Kanaxais (12) than Pandas (10).
 * Those 12 Kanaxais were given in Taiwan regioin promotional event, and was announced by Taiwan GW official site (official page in Chinese). The promotion was a program to introduce friends to buy GW Taiwan version. Actaully there were 50 Kanaxais available, but at the end only 12 of them were given (obviously it was not a sucessful promotion).
 * Those 10 pandas are prizes of another wallpaper design contest (to celebrate the 1st anniversary of GW in Taiwan region), but not yet given, because the result will be announced on 9 March (official page in Chinese). --Michfho 21:02, 3 March 2007 (CST)

I've always wonderd...
Can pvp characters get mini pets. Im guessing they can but im not sure.--Blade (talk|contribs) 11:44, 1 March 2007 (CST)
 * Yes. They can use them and can get one if they get to the aeg of 1 year. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 14:09, 1 March 2007 (CST)

And if they win in HOH and get a mini ghostly hero.--TheDrifter 21:36, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Whats with all these promo minipet giving away things being in Japan and Taiwan

Mini Me?
mini pet pic i was wondering about http://tcfish.teutonictemplar.com/minipet.shtml -Kumdori 15:03, 1 March 2007 (CST)

Obviously the little mini ranger guy is fake,he just adjusted his camera angle to show himself,but as for the information on his page,so no one gets the facts wrong,first winning team got-1 kanaxia,1 island gaurdian,1 panda;sec winning team got-1 panda,1 island gaurdian;third winning team got-1 island gaurdian. there are 8 kanaxias,16 pandas,and 24 island gaurdians to date in the game.

Furthermore, look at the areas around the smaller ranger. There is a color variance, indicating he used an image editing program to place the character in the picture.


 * The real giveaway is the texture change in the background - because he shrank down a normal shot, he shrank the grass texture behind him, which results in it looking less like grass and more like green static. - Phydeaux 16:13, 5 March 2007 (CST)


 * Exactly... If you are going to photoshop a fake picture... at least do it well. LOL. I would have clone stamped the large grass around him, and then made my own shadow. It would have looked more believable. Really, not bragging though! But yea.. totally fake. What a noob! :D
 * RavenJWolfe 15:28, 20 March 2007 (CST)

Mini lich
Awaiting (dis)confirmation from Gaile, she doesn't know anything about it. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10125972 &mdash; Skuld 05:25, 3 March 2007 (CST)

that pic looks hidiously fake :/--Blade (talk|contribs) 17:03, 3 March 2007 (CST)

If they wanted to fake it, I'd think they could do a better job... >_< --Zerris (talk) 17:05, 3 March 2007 (CST)
 * It does. GWG mutsa had a blast of stupid.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 17:06, 3 March 2007 (CST

kinda looks like a little dervish with wings lol,photo shop i bet.but unfortuneatly it looks exactly like the thing.waiting on confirm of this.and this just brings back my point.............1 year from now,massize fire,zoom in on a (something really stupid that anet made again)mini anet board director-all that is shown is his little pocket protector and broken glasses melting away..........Snipey lizard 16:03, 5 March 2007 (CST)

Lol does look like a dervish with wins    for a laugh read what all the peeps have been saying under the pic

miniature azura?
ahh someone put this on the list,no pics,no proff,no topics on it,and i believe no creature in the game is named that.plz remove it or prove it right.


 * check guildwars.com! this is the new complimentary miniature that comes with pcgamer next month -- Menzies 18:18, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * http://www.guildwars.com/press/asurapet.php -- Menzies 18:18, 6 March 2007 (CST)


 * Info here: GuildWars.com news/20070306. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:39, 6 March 2007 (CST)

that is the worst mini pet ive ever seen,looks like a japenese manga mutant rabbit person midget thingy.
 * Aaaaand try to keep the conversation on the information at hand, not personal opinion. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 18:27, 6 March 2007 (CST)

Miniature's having their own pages:
I don't understand why minipet's dont have their own pages. They are afterall an inventory item, and to my knowledge every other item has its own page. This would then allow for a better discussion page based on each pet and also info regarding them more being relevant. I understand that we have the main Miniatures page, but I for one really dislike the fact that when you click on "Miniature Ghostly Hero" it takes you directly to the Ghostly Hero page (or any of the other mini's for that matter). People who want to know about the Miniature version aren't looking for info on the real creatures. I know that this is going to be objected to but I believe it could be very usefull. Especially as more minipets become available (which i'm sure they will do now that they are useable in towns). I believe this to be a topic worthy of a (sensible) discussion. --Chronicinability 02:10, 8 March 2007 (CST)


 * I support adding separate pages for each miniature. I've been wondering the same thing from the beginning. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 04:14, 8 March 2007 (CST)


 * I duno what you would like to put on those pages. I mean, there isn't a lot of info to put on a page for only one mini. now if this page was cut up to: Birthday Miniatures, Event Miniatures, Collector edition Miniatures and Promotion Miniatures. Then It would make sense because then there would be more info to put on a page, and room enough for future Miniatures to be added.DBZVelena 08:19, 8 March 2007 (CST)


 * I dont think it should be decided by how much information there is, because take for example Bottle Rocket or any of many other items with very small pages. It just makes more sense and a clearer place for things in my opinion. The fact that the Devourer page may stay fairly plain whilst the Bone Dragon or Panda discussions might fill up pages would be an accurate representation of how the community viewed these perticular pets. Something should be done though as the page is very overcrowded and we have already had warnings such as "WARNING: This page is 42 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections" posted. --Chronicinability 08:29, 8 March 2007 (CST)


 * I honestly don't know where the decision was made to not have miniatures on their own page. I brought up elimination one or the other on the Talk:Asura just because that practice had been enforced in the past (although, that one's a bad example - so far we only have the mini-pet, so only one should exist anyway).
 * I have no problem supporting a seperate page for the mini-pet articles; provided both the creature article and the mini-pet article had links to each other. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 10:09, 8 March 2007 (CST)


 * Personally I think miniatures, like keys and chests, should have redirects to the miniature article. They don't do anything (bottle rockets do more than minis do) and everything they can do is explained in the miniature article.  Plus if they each had their own page, it would be more likely we would have to remove prices.  --Rainith 12:01, 8 March 2007 (CST)
 * Yes, I'm waffling. Rainith has a good point - I see no problem with creating miniature pages, but they can just be redirects to the Miniature article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 12:04, 8 March 2007 (CST)


 * I know they don't do a lot, but judging by the size of both the Miniatures page and also this discussion page, there needs to be some sort of seperation. The worry about removing prices is nothing new, the risk is there (and just as high) with rare and unique weapons. I suppose my point isn't that they should have their own pages because of how much they do(which is very little), but more because of the massive amount of attention they get. Keeping discussion's seperate and on pages that they directly relate to would make it much clearer and concise. --Chronicinability 17:46, 8 March 2007 (CST)

someone is screwing with the pictures
as above,the pictures keep going on and off,plz fix,ty
 * If you check the history, you'll see that no one is messing with the pictures. Maybe a problem with your browser? --Macros 16:09, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

INGAME MARKET PRICEING
just a suggestion but maybe we should do the same as gw guru and include price guides,but actually up to date unlike them,i think its good to start with minis here since thye are not thta high in number and the prices are steady,might as well,could help alot of us out. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.118.249.14 (talk &bull; contribs) 13:28, March 23, 2007 (CDT).
 * No, it was decided long ago not to including player trade price info in GuildWiki. It's too fluid, and too easy to manipulate for scamming purposes. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:34, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Use Guru? 132.203.83.38 16:11, 23 March 2007 (CDT)

Minor glitch.
Took a minipet out, then decided to throw it in storage, it still follows me around :o. - - Kamer // 19:40, 26 March 2007 (CDT)