User talk:Misanthropist10788

Welcome
Hi! Welcome to guildwiki my love! -- BrianG 20:15, 25 January 2007 (CST)
 * You have to help me with my character section soon, my dear. Either this is confusing or I am just lazy. My guess is the lazy. Misanthropist 16:10, 26 January 2007 (CST)
 * Cool! Character section looks really good!! -- BrianG 19:44, 29 January 2007 (CST)


 * Hey, congrats on your new userpage. However, the page looks kind of stretched on a 1024x768 screen (requires horizontal scrolling).  Might I suggest using width="100%" instead of width="1040" for the main table and width="50%" instead of width="520" for each of the subsequent tables.  This will cause the page to scale according the the size of the screen its being displayed on and look much cleaner.  Well...welcome to the wiki...and if you need any userboxes just bug Brian (I know your watching this page Brian ^_^). :P&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  23:42, 29 January 2007 (CST)


 * Hey, thank you! I was actually just thinking the same thing before I read this, how eerie is that? I was wondering if that was going to happen, I used to be really good with HTML and now I suppose I'm sort of lacking. So I will definatly make those changes, thanks for the tip. And I was planning to steal some of his userboxes, muaha. :) Misanthropist 00:18, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Looks, good ^_^ If you're looking to catch up on the basics for wiki coding you should visit Xas' userpage and Editing guide.  I never use  or ' anymore (wiki coding is basic html with some mods.  = and = ...actually, just read the editing guide :P).  Good luck''.&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  00:42, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Hey Azroth, since you are so helpful, (hehe) I wanted to know if you maybe knew where I could find a userbox that says I primarily play Dervish? Or maybe something like how I love dervish? If you don't know it's cool, but I've been surfing around and can't find any. Misanthropist 14:13, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Ummm...I don't believe there is a set of profession boxes. Most ones are custom made like my Elementalist box.  Is there any particular Dervish skill you like the image for?&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  15:09, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * It's cool actually I just figured out how to make my own, which is cool cause I have some ideas for new ones. But thanks. :) Misanthropist 15:27, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Hey, check out User:Gem who has a box about liking Dervish, and also, Vallen Frostweaver has just built userboxes for each profession, that say for example, "This user is a Dervish by nature". He has programmed these to link to a category of all players who use the box so you can see who else favours that profession. Otherwise, as Azroth is suggesting, you can just make your own userbox by taking any userbox and switching the image and text. You could pick your favourite Dervish skill icon for example, or use the dervish icon. :) -- BrianG 15:18, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * Hmmmm forgot the link to Vallen's new userbox creations: User talk:Vallen Frostweaver. -- BrianG 15:21, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * Thanks dollface, I took that Dervish one. :) Misanthropist 15:27, 30 January 2007 (CST)


 * Hmmm...nice formatting and I like the category idea but the boxes look kind of bland. Just my opinion though, I think I'll stick with my Elementalist box instead of using his.  I'm just partial to skill icons as opposed to profession icons.  Either way, didn't know someone had finally done that so thanks for the info.  ^_^ &mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  15:31, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * Ohhh...and if you ever want to design your own userboxes (instead of "borrowing" them from Kalomeli, Gems girlfriend) here's the basic template. Have fun. ^_^ Just try not to get as hooked on them as Brian :P&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  15:57, 30 January 2007 (CST)

Glad you guys liked the userboxes linked to categories. Pleased to meet you Misanthropist. You're welcome to use anything from my userpage or talk pages. I'm always open for changes to so feel free to comment or question anything. If anyone has any ideas where would be a good place to tell people about the new category oriented user boxes please let me know. In the mean time, enjoy the wiki.--  Vallen Frostweaver  14:09, 31 January 2007 (CST)

Guild Status
PS - Warhammer RPG, Fantasy, or 40k? I'm also in a very pleasant guild as well so if you are still looking, I may have one you might consider and might consider you (I'm no officer - but I keep an eye open for guildless nice people who might be a nice addition). If interested, let me know and I'll go on in detail but if not I'll stop here (this goes for others too but we are a small guild and tend to stay that way so as not to get lost). Anyway, welcome to the wiki. :) --  Vallen Frostweaver  14:09, 31 January 2007 (CST)


 * Pleased to meet you too! And thank you, I've put your page on watch, haha. If you want to take anything from me you can as well. I think you should definately try to get those boxes out, it's a nice idea. I couldn't really decide between that and ranger since I like them both equally but I think Dervish wins by a little. Also, Warhammer 40K Dark Crusade. Good game. Have you heard of the Warhammer Mmorpg? :P Oh, and I am still looking for a new Guild so I am very much interested, so do go on! Right now the Guild I am in is made up of only about 15 people I know in real life but rarely play, so I'd like to have a Guild with people who are into playing as much as I am. Let me know and thanks again. :) Misanthropist 14:32, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * Ah, well I am a 40k tabletop player but haven't played in a while (too expensive). I have heard of the MMORPG but that's about it.  Still, at least I know it's not just me and my wife that plays anything WH.  Regarding the guild, our web page is in my user page first paragraph but you can't see much of our conversations since 95% of our talks are in the private section so that's not the best example.  We're a guild of (very general numbers here) about 5 very active, 10 random active, 5 low active, and 10 non-active players on the US servers.  The guild is about 50/50 on male to female ratio and the average age is from 20-40 (I think...).  Very mature but loose group that's great for anything PvE with some PvP (like Alliance Battles...).  No pressure to group or not and they will help if needed.  Almost always at least one person is online (usually the officers and the leader).  Having fun is what it's all about though so often we may go from running someone's character through an area to a group Tombs run to finishing a mission that someone needs to capping an elite skill.  1/2 of the time I party alone but rarely do I have to.  Sarcasm rules the day and I don't know any nicer people.  What can you tell me about you?  Feel free to post on the SiC guild forums if you don't want to post stuff on here as then we can introduce you to some of my guildmates (though only about 5-10 people really check the guild forums regularly but it's usually the officers, leader, me, and one other normal guild member).  And if you decide you aren't interested I don't hold any grudges and won't be offended. ;D --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  15:15, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * Vallen, I'm currently in the same guild as Misanthropist, and we'll probably be changing guilds together. Our main frustration right now is that our guild is too small and most members are on inconsistently, so there are never people around if we need help with something that requires a full party for example.  What time-zone are the users from your guild mostly in, and when do they mostly play?  We are in Eastern timezone and usually play during late evening and weekends.  Also, do you guys use headsets at all?  Oh and... what does the cape look like? :) -- BrianG 16:22, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * *sigh* We really should have a guildwiki guild. At least that way you'd know all the people in the guild, and always know where to reach them if they weren't in game (and "gently" encourage them to come play. :D  Ex. "Hey Vallen, stop playing with your pretty new boxes and come help us farm!!"). :P&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  17:07, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * Well, there is one guildwiki guild, but I think they are more PvP oriented and I'm not sure if I'd fit in with some of their members. But there is no reason why some of us PvEers couldn't try to all join the same guild, or create one. What's going on with your guild right now Azroth? -- BrianG 17:46, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * NAFF's guild has half a dozen active members (judging from what my mule can see etc), and I don't think many of them are active on the wiki &mdash; Skuld 17:58, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * My guild is completely empty right now save for me, my little bro, and our neighbor. I rebuilt it once, then got vent and hated all the people who joined (all really imature and swore a ton) so I cleaned the guild out...again. :P  I wanted to try and build it again, but I never got around too it.  If enough people are interested I guess we could try and build it into a wiki guild.&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  20:31, 31 January 2007 (CST)

You know, I was wondering about your guild status too BrianG. I didn't see any remarks about it on your userpage and was wondering, thinking that you may be in the same boat as Misanthropist. I am in Eastern timezones and most of our players play to about 10 or 11 pm here on the weekdays and later on weekends (there are 2 couples I know of also). No headsets. :( I've been wanting that for a while but am ok without for now.  Usually there is 1 person on minimum at all times but getting together an entire guild group isn't as common (though likely on a weekend).  Usually only about 4 can make it but we've had groups of 8 before.  Thanks for the poke there Azroth. ;) And I guess if you are looking for a bigger guild this may not be the one. It's pretty low key but the people are the nicest, most reliable, moral people and you can almost always find someone to help you (rare that you can't but it's happened to me before to be completely honest). Tell you what, I won't push since I see you guys are in limbo and considering your options seriously (which I appreciate). I'll add you both to my friends lists and next time I see either of you online perhaps we can party together and I might bring a few guildies with me. To finish off your questions, they play all sorts but we have 3-4 monks, warriors, and rangers very often with necro's being next common and other professions as uncommon (though heroes are popular). Other professions are come and go but each one has multiples of players at different areas in each chapter. As for the cape, it's the image on the guild page link but I think I might add a better close-up on my userpage. It's undergone voting before and may again though.--  Vallen Frostweaver  21:12, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * There, added the cape link on my user page.  I'll format it better another time.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  21:20, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * lol, you and your giant paragraphs. I'm an Elementalist by nature, but I play all profs pretty well (no one ever dies when I monk...except wammos.  They like to run in, so I let them die until they learn to behave :D).  If no one wants to try and build a wiki guild I might join yours as well (assuming I dont rebuild mine).  Guess I'll just wait and see if the idea catches on this time or not.&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  22:04, 31 January 2007 (CST)
 * I do tend to write too much... sorry but I can't help it. I thought there was a wiki guild...?  But I think it was mostly PvP... can't remember.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  08:52, 1 February 2007 (CST)
 * Yes, there sort of is, run by not a fifty five, but it is mostly PvP, and apparently not especially active (see skuld's comment above). I tend to write a lot too, so don't worry about it, hahaha.  As for guilds, the main reason I'm taking the decision seriously is that our current guild is run by a close friend, and if 2 or 3 of the most active members leave it will most likely mean that the guild might dissolve.  The guild leader may also follow us, so I want to make a good choice in order to justify this (I wish you could join more than one guild to prevent these tricky situations).  Personally I think a wiki guild would be a great idea, but I'm not sure how many people would be interested enough to leave their current guild.  Frankly I'd be happy to be in a guild just with a few of my wiki friends, so I'd be interested in either idea (a bunch of us joining an existing guild such as Vallens, or creating a new one, as long as it would have enough users).  The cape looks pretty cool Vallen. -- BrianG 12:34, 1 February 2007 (CST)
 * To put it short, the major wiki contributors have left. It was never PvP-intensive, really. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 12:36, 1 February 2007 (CST)
 * Sorry to hear that Rapta. :(  --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  12:51, 1 February 2007 (CST)
 * In responce to Rapta: Yeah, I knew 55 tried to set this up a while back.  It's kind of funny that the topic came up again here the same day he comes back to the wiki complaining about his guild. :P  If we could get enough people together I'd love to start a wiki guild (at least then when your guildies weren't on you'd know where to go and yell at them, lol).  Any ideas of a place where we could post a topic to see how many people would be interested (preferably a place that can be found by more than the six or so of us :D)?&mdash; [[Image:Azroth sig.png||builds]] Azroth  [[Image:Azroth sig2.png||talk]]  13:49, 1 February 2007 (CST)

Forming an Alliance
To respond to BrianG, what about Alliance options? We currently aren't allied with anyone (as our last alliance dissolved with the other guilds breaking up left and right). I don't think that would harm either guild (unless you're fully allied) and it may end up keeping your guild together with options for teaming with others from my guild or even merging the remaing members if it goes that way in the end. I haven't cleared anything or even mentioned this to my guild yet (as I haven't been online to play in a week or so) but I thought it worth mentioning as an idea to think about for now. I know that our guild does have a couple base requirements for joining like that an officer or above party with any/all inductees into the guild prior to invite to ensure that they will mesh well with the guild. At this rate, Misanthropist will have to archive her talk page to keep it clutter free! lol --  Vallen Frostweaver  12:51, 1 February 2007 (CST)
 * Hmmmm that actually might be a good solution. At least for now while we decide what to do and gives us a chance to get to know people from your guild.  Discuss it with your leader and I'll do the same, and from there we can try to adventure together and see. -- BrianG 13:06, 1 February 2007 (CST)
 * Sounds good to me. I'll let you know once I hear from them.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  13:19, 1 February 2007 (CST)

So I was about to write a letter in my guild forums and it struck me, I don't know what your guild name or abbreviation is. Care to share with me? I don't want to look too silly to my guildies. Heh, ok, well, any sillier than usual.--  Vallen Frostweaver  08:45, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Vallen, unfortunately, providing you with the guild name is not going to help you look less silly, hahaha. The guild leader wanted the initials MAD, and chose something randomly, so our guild is named "Milking Another Donkey".  We are not currently aligned with either Luxon or Kurzick, but if someone can tell me the procedure to do this, I can get our leader to do it.
 * On another note, I just noticed on Oblio's page that he has left a note indicating that he might be interested in a similar type of alliance. I'm going to direct him to this talk page. -- BrianG 11:28, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * hehehe. Well, if I'm SiC and you're MAD, then I'm sure that the guilds will be fine together.  I'm all for it.  I've placed the topic up for discussion on my guilds forums but it's in the private section for now.  Any idea if Oblio is in a guild as well?--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  11:35, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Hahahah thats true I didn't notice the SiC / MAD thing, funny. Oblio's page says he is in the same boat as us, small guild of friends, wants an alliance to give more options for people to play with.  I don't know any other details about his guild but I left a note for him directing him here.  I believe to have an alliance we all have to be aligned with the same Faction.  I believe Azroth is Kurzick, that would be my preference too, but what are you guys aligned with right now? -- BrianG 11:43, 2 February 2007 (CST)


 * This page desperately needs sections. Anyway, my guild, TNE (Tempus Nocturni E-something-latin-that-I-will-write-down-tonight) has a few people who play daily, about 8 people who play weekly, and about 40 people who have played in the lifetime of the game. We've been around since Prophesies came out and are made exclusively of freinds from HS/college. Anyway, I'm not looking for a guild so much as an alliance of similar small guilds, the idea being to (hopefully) utilize the alliance channel to facilitate more grouping opportunities. We are all east coast US. We are currently unaligned, but I can get enough faction together in a week to do either move the guild to either luxon or kurzik. Aside from rare FA play, I could care less about that war.
 * I'm not guild leader, but can be to facilitate getting an alliance together. -- [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png|25px]]Oblio (talk) 12:14, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Okay, I've done my best to try to create some sections, we just got carried away, hahahaha. Oblio it sounds like you are in the same boat as us in regards to activity levels, we have about 3-4 people who play daily and the rest are infrequent.  I think an alliance would be great to give us both more options for people to play with.  We tried to do the Grand Court of Sebelkeh mission with a PuG last night, thinking it would be easier, and died about 4 times before giving up.  We then completed it easily with heroes, and realized that we must have been partied with people who had no clue what they were doing.  It would also be nice to have access to people who I know are experienced in some of the higher level areas of PvE because we are interested in learning about the realms of the gods etc.
 * Can anyone tell me the exact steps that need to be done to align our guild with a faction? Or point me to a link?  I can't seem to find this info on the wiki. -- BrianG 12:35, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Thanks for creating titles Bri. I was about to do it but then noticed someone else did, haha. I'm pretty down with this whole alliance thing, it would be really nice to have people to play with when it comes to missions, farming, etc that I know aren't idiots. Let's make it happen! -- Misanthropist 12:43, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Well, SiC is aligned with Luxon but I don't think we have any points in it since we stoped donating faction after our old alliance dissolved. I don't know how dedicated people are to being luxon or Kurzick personally in my guild.  Either way, it sounds like things are getting interesting.  There might be enough participation between the 3 guilds to have a constant grouping opportunity at almost any time.  I'll drop a line here again when I see some remarks in my forum thread.  And regrettably, I don't know anything about how to align with a faction. :(  But I did see a small mention here about requirements. --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  12:51, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Dang it, was there a no idiot clause? :) Anyway, IIRC, an unaligned guild leader creates an alliance (this is done in HzH or Cav I believe). Then there is an alliance with 1 guild in it (I believe they are an alliance leader. They can invite others into the alliance... such invites show up on the guild leaders options (in the (g) screen)). I'll go ahead and get guild leadership tonight. I know it costs plat to do this stuff, if people need plat for this, I can cover expenses. -- [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png|25px]]Oblio (talk) 12:55, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Don't go too crazy now. I'm still just getting my officers/leader informed about this and directing them to this thread.--  Vallen Frostweaver  13:02, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * I'm not assuming that anyone in this thread is promising anything. Nevertheless, I am going to move forward with figuring out what I can do to get things rolling on my side (either creating an empty alliance, or figuring out how to join an alliance). My guild is small, small potatoes. I'm looking for increased grouping opportunities more than political overhead (if that sounds silly, then you have been spared dealing with some people that I have had to deal with). Anyway, I meant to imply no presumption. -- [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png|25px]]Oblio (talk) 13:09, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Hey all, I was just noticing this convo (from the recent changes) and wanted to express a little interest. I'm currently in my own guild which consists of about 6 people who I know irl (except one who's a roomie of someone I know irl) but most of them are on only sporadically.  I wouldn't necessarily want to leave my guild but wouldn't mind joining an alliance of other wiki-types primarily for grouping opportunities and such.  Currently I play almost exclusively with heroes/hench.  Also, a note on aligning with a faction.  As someone noted above, its done by the guild leader by talking to the respective NPC in HzH or Cavalon.  It costs either 500g or 1 plat to align and can be switched by the guild leader (or alliance leader) if desired. (Edit: I just read what I wrote and wanted to note that I realize that I'm relatively new/unknown on the wiki and don't want to come across like I'm intruding.  If my participation isn't desired that's ok, I just wanted to note interest to see if it was a possibility)  Lojiin 13:17, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Oblio, sounds good. I've already discussed this idea with the heads of my guild, and they approved of the idea.  Let's give Vallen some time to check with his guild before making any concrete moves.  Even if it turns out that they are not interested, we can proceed with a smaller alliance.
 * Lojiin, it sounds like you're in a similar situation as well so I'm sympathetic, and I figure you'd probably fit in fine despite not knowing you much from the wiki. Plus, you've already given me some helpful information about how to align my guild with kurzick or luxon so thats appreciated.  Stay tuned for more details, but in the meantime, why don't we all add each other to friends lists and maybe we'll have a chance to adventure together sometime this weekend? -- BrianG 14:30, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Sounds good to me. BTW - I just noticed that my guild main page says we are Kurzick aligned. O.o I think that's a type-o but then I haven't played AB in a while so it could've changed.  lol. --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  14:35, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Friends list
Oblio, I don't know what character name you go by. Brian and Misanthropist, what are your main characters? See you guys online.--  Vallen Frostweaver  14:35, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * I'm usually online playing with ANDROMEDA SWIRL so you can add that, I don't think it matters which character you have on your list so add that one for me! :) Misanthropist 14:41, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Vallen, I don't specifically have a main character, but my nightfall ones are the most played currently. However if you want to make it easy to remember who I am in your list, add Brian The Vaporizer, my prophecies elementalist (and least creatively named character, haha). -- BrianG 14:43, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * When you add any character to a friends list, you will see whichever char that player is logged in as. An easy one for me to use is "Will of Melandru", though the primary refers to a long deleted character (my regretted R/E firestorm trapper). -- [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png|25px]]Oblio (talk) 14:58, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * And here I thought it made the one you typed in the friends list the default on your list. Oh well.  Good to know.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  15:07, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Vallen, IIRC how it works is the friends list will show you the character your friend is logged in as, but if it is a different character than the one you added, it will show the character you added in brackets to help you tell who it is. -- BrianG 15:15, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Right, but will it list that player's primary character name in that extra note or the one you typed in? I realize that the character they are playing as is displayed up front. -sigh- A Friday and moments from going home.  My mind wanders so freely at this point.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  15:26, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * As far as I know, there isn't actually such thing as a "primary" character as defined by Guild Wars. The character that displays in the brackets is the one you added to your friends list.  Hence my suggestion to add my character named Brian, so when I'm signed on with someone else the brackets will help you remember who I am. :) -- BrianG 15:39, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * I think you may be wrong about that. Add "will of melandru" and see if it shows up as "Teleos es Statos".  I know that Teleos name (long deleted char) is what shows up in the guild roster when I'm not online.  I'm not positive on friends though, I just assume it works that way. -- [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png|25px]]Oblio (talk) 15:56, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Yeah I could be mistaken but I'm not at home to check right now, I will check in a couple hours. I'm pretty sure that the Guild window works the same way as the friends window, but instead, it corresponds to the character that received the guild invitation as opposed to the character that was added to the friends list.  Perhaps Teleos was the character that received the invite? -- BrianG 16:00, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * I added "Brian The Vaporizer" and you do not show up online (offline as "Brian The Vaporizer"), so if that isn't your first char, then you are correct about what the friends lists stores. Off to buy pizza for friday night gaming :) cheers -- [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png|25px]]Oblio (talk) 16:06, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Oblio, I added "will of melandru" and you are on my friends list now. I tried to add "Teleos es Statos" and it says that the name doesn't exist. I think Brian is right when he said that it shows that because that was the character that received the Guild invitation. I also added you, Vallen. Maybe we'll see you guys on tonight. And now after reading your comment Oblio, I want pizza too. Haha. - Misanthropist 16:44, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Of Dervish Elite Forms...
I've only just recently started a Dervish and a Paragon in NF (I'm a slow player which is why Vallen does so much stuff while my other characters lag behind) and I really like the Elite forms as well (noticed your comment on your userpage) though I'm only level 2 I've seen them and really want to try them out. As I haven't seen many Dervishes in our guild lately (probably just missed them) I look forward to the day we can Arcane Mimicry dual Elite Forms in an effort to keep them up 74 out of every 80 seconds. Just thought that up and am sooo eager to try it, I'll have to try and get my Dervish through NF now just for that possibility (even if we don't get the chance, at least with another Dervish - maybe a Hero even).--  Vallen Frostweaver  15:07, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Sadly I think it won't work. The skill description for Arcane Mimicry specifically excludes Form elites. :( -- BrianG 16:12, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * I was going to post the same thing as Brian, I checked out the skill. Boo! - Misanthropist 16:39, 2 February 2007 (CST)