User talk:Dr ishmael/Missions

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It might also be worth including a subjective risk factor column. Because those missions allow fewer party members, the survivor-candidate usually has to be more involved in combat than they might in 7H areas. Chahbek Village is hard to fail, but Mini Cho's elementalists offer some troublesome spikes. And, of course, the infamous Zen Daijun Spirit Rift on the library bridge presents a scary moment to many players.

Thanks for putting this together. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 02:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You know I shy away from subjective assessments like that. I don't find Zen Daijun particularly risky because I know to get the hell outta the way when engaging Yijo.
 * If you want to make notes about the specific risks in each mission, that would be great, but I'd think summarizing that into a comparative "risk factor" per mission could be misleading. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 03:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. BTW: I'd leave the notes in a fourth column. there's no need to make people bob their heads up/down. Do you want people to add to this? Or would you prefer that we comment here and you can copy/paste/rephrase as appropriate? — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 03:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It may reduce head-bobbing, but it also screws up the uniformity of the table. Personally, I feel that free-form text fields like that have no place in a table, because they are not tabular data.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 12:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Then we drastically disagree on the purpose of tables. It's your page, not a mainspace article, so the remainder of my comments are intended as a meta discussion point (rather than to convince you to do something different with this table).


 * Some tables are solely to present data, but tables can also be used to show information. If your goal on this page is simply to say, hey, this is how long it took me and this is how much xp, then, sure, data only is the way to go.


 * If your one's goal is to help people make decisions (which mish, whether to do them, caveats when doing them), then I believe that footnotes distract from that goal. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 15:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well Rose went and made her own table anyway, so I guess this will just remain a personal page in any case. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 20:19, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The Spirit Rift in Zen is a non-issue for me. The only time I died for the whole book was when the afflicted eles spiked me with Mind Burn, exactly when Prot Spirit was not on me. <_< I swear they were using Vent... This is the only mission I flagged as high risk for survivors, because you really, really have to watch out for that spike damage. I got killed, ressed, and instantly killed again. It was pathetic... :P So I'm thinking I'm gonna grab 15 books, get Zen for all of them, and then do the rest. A few others I flagged as medium, mostly because if you don't know the spawns, you can end up with overaggro by patrols or pop-ups or rushing to save stupid Rurik.
 * I also didn't notice the link to this until after I did my table. As I do more runs, I'll see if my numbers vary noticeably from the first, and update them accordingly. Rose Of Kali [[Image:Rose Of Kali SIG.png]] 20:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)