User talk:Honorable Sarah/5

Userboxes

 * When have to ever beaten me to an edit! /indignant :D Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 02:20, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Talk:Secondary professions for an Elementalist ;P --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 02:29, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Grrr... I still say I'm faster even if you did beat me once :) Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 02:30, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * then i should be glad you don't get a vote :P :P --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 02:31, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Ah GuildWiki, it is proof positive that anarchy does work :) Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 02:33, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * well ordered chaos is the watchmaker's grease of the universe. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 02:34, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Are you a proponent of deterministic chaos theory a.k.a Chaos Theory? Well... not so much proponent as.... well, I can't really think of the word.  You last phrase just made me think of Chaos theory.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 02:40, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * i'm a big fan of chaos, but i'm more interested in emergant behevior, which is really the natural implementation of chaos ideals on a controlled system. but i think you mean fluidic selection, where the expected result of an observed experiment selects the final quantum state from otherwise equil probabilities. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 02:47, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmmm... you are among the maybe three people I have ever actually managed to have a semi-reasonable conversation about Quantum behavior (not that I know a terribly large amount on the subject, just more than most people I talk to). As I said before, my friends think I'm nuts.  Glad to have met you.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 02:48, 29 March 2007 (CDT)


 * and one for you:

--Honorable Sarah 03:01, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Alright, you win, that one is just excellent... in fact... *steals userbox* Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 03:03, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Profession guides
Hey, I was wondering whether I could get a little clarification on your vote. The purpose was to better understand what others thought and I wasn' quite sure what you were getting at. Thanks. Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 23:33, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * thusly done --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:51, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Just saw, thanks. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 23:51, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Anti-Offical-Wiki-User-B-ox-
Yeh, can I borrow your anti-offical-wiki userbox? Solus  01:43, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * do Template:User_NoOfficalWiki instead! --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:17, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Wait..
Proficient in british english.. so wouldn't you be honourable sarah no honorable sarah?? Not a fifty five 02:10, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Guildwiki is a American based site, must be used to using Honorable (like favored/favoured). Gets to me as well :) Solus   02:13, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * been there done that --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:12, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

User:Defiant Elements/Build Collaboration
In case you're interested. Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 23:16, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Just so you know... the idea is for posting new builds. Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs) 23:23, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * i know, but i've been scared of losing those builds. kebosh them if you feel it's right out. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:24, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Whatever, you can keep them there. The idea is for any kind of build collaboration, and, while it is my userpage, I would like to feel that as BrianG put it, I am a "benevolent dictator," so, if you want them there, then they shall remain there.  Just so you know though, the nowiki tags make them pretty impossible to read.  Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs) 23:25, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Lazy was sarah --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:27, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Build:Me/D Extended Thorns
As I try and improve my builds with other users suggestions, moving them to untested seems like the only way to do that. Would you reconsider your vote if conviction was placed on the bar? Giving the Mesmer 84+ Armor, I think that's easily enought to stay on the front lines shorter. Any other suggestions would be great. Solus  03:04, 1 April 2007 (CDT)
 * ya, that'd deffiniatly make the foes a bit less interested. i'll change my vote on that condition --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 03:04, 1 April 2007 (CDT)

It's on there. Lol as long as I don't give Koss/Goren a armor boost, in theroy I won't be the target :) Good old' foolish A.I
 * modding stuff-ness now. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 03:11, 1 April 2007 (CDT)

Radiant/Survivor.. Always :) Solus   03:13, 1 April 2007 (CDT)

Guild timeshares
So I noticed you have been in plenty of guilds in the past. What's with that? They all turned out bad or you just didn't like what they had to offer? I'm just surprised about all the guid jumping for someone as informed and decent as you come off to me (no, I'm not hitting on you, I'm normally a nice person is all). --  Vallen Frostweaver  16:07, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
 * it's not so much jumping, as surviving. see User:Honorable_Sarah/Rantful --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 22:58, 2 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Funny, I noticed that yesterday but had to go before I got the chance to read it. That's kinda sad.  Are you always in aggressive guilds like that?  You might have better luck with a laid back one with an alliance of similar people.  Though they don't always have max resources you may have better luck.  But then again, you may have already tried this. --[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  07:49, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 * prior to [trtl], i was the guild leader of [Grse]. i was very laid back, and as it turned out, that was the problem. my officers started fights with eachother behind my back, and it split the guild. prior to that, i was an officer with [PHOE], and i was the soft-spoken and consensus-oriented harmonizer of the group, that guild split over an officer disobeying the guild will, and the guild leader forgiving him unquestioningly. prior to that i was an officer with [GCG], that guild died of inactivity, as far as i know. prior to that i was an officer in [Bdub], that guild split when Duke Bandit and Eve Pendragon, the two most active officers, went seperate ways, and i followed eve to GCG. i really can't win for loosing. you might look in the delete logs for User:Honorable Sarah/The tragedy of the founding, it used to tell the whole story of the fall of Rise of the Silver Phoenix. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:45, 3 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I might at that.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  07:43, 4 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I feel for you. Tried to make a guild of my own once. It was a GvG only, and I expected too much. Only 4 People joined cuz the req was too high lol. (Still friends with those four people) Readem (talk *contribs ) 19:00, 12 April 2007 (CDT)


 * Truly a tragedy, as you seem to be the 'definite asset to have around' type. I'd like to say I know how being guildless is, except I can't since I joined my original guild the day I created my first character and only left when the guild leader kicked everyone out and disbanded.  The alliance it created is still around though, one of our splinter guilds just took over running it, so I've been gaming with the same random internet denizens for going on 2 years.  Well, some of them anyways, most haven't been around as long as I have (One of the guild leaders started a mock religion based on me, which is somewhat embarassing/flattering).  Hopefully you'll find a guild/alliance that values you and isn't going to implode. -Gildan Bladeborn 04:53, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Also I fixed the heading to stop reading "Guid Timeshares". - Gildan Bladeborn

B/P build clean-up
I disagree with some of your clean up actions in 2 places and would like to discuss them. 1) A critical barrager will not always outdamage a ranger as the bleeding will not stack from subsequent other Crit Barragers and a R/P with GftE! can add similar crits to the entire group (and more R/P can add even more crits). 2) The R/Rt variants I have seen in 9 out of every 10 different PuGs on average I've been in (which is quite a lot). Usually it's the Splinter Barrager but when they come along other R/Rt have changed to a recuperation barrager. I believe your removal of this variant was incorrect as it can dessimate a mob very fast if in an organized group that knows what splinter weapon does.--  Vallen Frostweaver  07:43, 4 April 2007 (CDT)
 * great, put them in as a coherent variant of Build:R/any General Barrager. as they were, they were rambling conjecture. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 02:01, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

User:81.104.239.20
Looked like more of a not knowing the wiki thing than an attempt to disrupt the wiki through vandalism. --Xasxas256 05:36, 7 April 2007 (CDT)
 * looked like a blaintant image replace to me, but that's why the policy requires two people to look at the offense. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 12:50, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

HELP
this is fallen solidier why did you put up my builds for deletion? Pm

Hehe
Well it seems that everyone just surfs recent changes ehh lol? Readem (talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 00:10, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Insomnia sucks. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 00:11, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Agreed. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 00:15, 10 April 2007 (CDT) (Its even worse for me, speaking I can't use this comp to long, I have to read! And all I have is Tale of two cities XD)

You have been Invited
Hello, you are cordially invited to participate and or contribute, to these pages.

Skill of the Week

User Box Museum

<font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 13:44, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

Organized
Rearranged your box. Hope ya don't mind :D. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 22:42, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

Are you a Soviet Spy?
Well are you? <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 23:45, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Would be abnormal is she isn't a spy--Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 00:51, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
 * ok, you both get the honorable sarah tinfoil hat award for paranoia in excess. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 02:19, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Wow, I have never owned anything so valuable! <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 16:42, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

In Soviet Russia, you spy on spies? -PanSola 03:59, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

No, no. You got it all wrong. In Soviet Russia, spies spy on spies spying on spies. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 16:41, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

B/P thoughts?
Hey, I'd appreciate your comments on the barragers I've worked on for the B/P copy I've made. (Note that I have the current B/P page saved, too.) Thanks! Armond 20:15, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
 * meh, builds are kinda outside my sector of caring right now. maybe after the build wipe and things settle again --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 20:35, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

Warskull
Open obs mode... look at Temporal Flux Reality playing [yay]. Who is [acid]'s #6? -Auron  00:54, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
 * i donno. it's changed like 6 times. better strike the whole reference, thou, there are a million possible misspellings it could be based off of. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 00:56, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Uh... no. We know who it is. We know what guild he's in. FnlD broke up, he joined [OUT]; this is fact. [OUT] broke up, he joined [acid]. This is verifiable on obs mode at this moment. The note is valid; please don't screw with it. Thanks. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 00:57, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

Kevin Ly Bio

 * LoL, I know m8, I was just having a bit of fun. Didn't think it would matter much, since the page was about to be deleted. It's actually libel since it's defamation made in a fixed medium. "The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action." That's from the Slander article you linked to, btw. I wasn't trying to be a dick, just poking a bit of fun at it. - [[Image:Candle.jpg|12px]] Krowman (talk • contribs) 19:53, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

Rantful person
If your intrested, new SoW. Wasn't going to do it, but someone was interested so what the hell. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 23:52, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

BuildWiki Lives!
Well, although the fight isn't lost here, I am notifying anyone who was involved in my Collaboration program about this site:. User:Gcardinal took all of the existing templates and builds and transferred them onto a new site which is essentially buildwiki. *Defiant Elements*  +talk  23:08, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
 * eh... artificial seperation. the gw: namespace interlinks are a nice touch, thou. kinda sad to have a all-inclusive GW documentation site that is missing a major part of the documentation. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 01:24, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

Skill capture and quests
The S&F was changed since peopl kept complaining. Offhand I don't recall the formatting prescribed, but it's there now. --Fyren 04:29, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

Congratulations
You received second place in my joke skill contest! Very nice! *Defiant Elements*  +talk  23:23, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

Paragon shouts
Hey i saw you changed the vitory or death page back saying paragon shouts have activation, can you show me whcih ones do because ive never seen one--Blade (talk|contribs) 15:55, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Anthem of Flame. remember chants are a subtype of shouts. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 15:56, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
 * oh right i never knew that O_o. Thought chants and shouts were completly diffrent.--Blade [[Image:smallscout.png]] (talk|contribs) 15:57, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
 * There is nothing in game to support that. --Fyren 15:58, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

Stone Crusher
In regard to your comments during this edit, they actually do have giant flanges over their ears. . Not so sure on the made of stone bit. --   22:24, 22 April 2007 (CDT)
 * it's not the same flanges. i looked very carefully at Margonite Executioner and Stone Crusher. excepting some base mesh reuse (which you'd expect to see on every monster in a game this size) they don't look similar. stone crushers have smooth skin, margonites have marred rigges, stone crushers have tusks and vertical aura-like head appendages, where as margonites have backwords flowing crests, similar to triceratops. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 22:28, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

Invited
You are formally invited to partipate in the new SoW. This weeks skill was chosen by User:Skuld. There is also a new contest involved. Create a Build focused around the current SoW, to win 2 things a User Box made by me (Skuld denied I am pretty sure) and the ability to pick next weeks SoW :D. Gl and enjoy! <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 17:40, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

SoW Results
Congrats! You are currently in second place place! See the Results sections of the SoW to learn more about votes! <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 17:02, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
 * not bad for a bar i made up in 10 minutes and never played. i don't even have the skill unlocked ;P --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 17:06, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Rofl. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 17:20, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

No Credit?
Hi,

Just wondering why you removed my credit from the external link to the GWG Second Birthday Celebration event guide? Since the guide was created by me for use on GWG, surely "by RTSFirebat" is a fair thing to add to the end of it? -- RTSFirebat 11:10, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
 * We never give credit on a main article. If people follow the link they will see who made the post on GWG and you get your credit there.&mdash; ├ A ratak ┤  11:16, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
 * That seems reasonable, I guess. Fair enough. It maybe worth messaging the person in question to let them know, as I was completely unsure why it was edited at the time. Thanks RTSFirebat 12:04, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
 * i don't recall where in the policy it is, but that's been a long standing thing since we put the first Me/W forge runner build up, back when there was only one person doing it. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 20:27, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Reminder
New SoW. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 23:33, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

o.O
What? -Auron  01:21, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * he's poluting disambig category with a copy of a main namespace article, and his last contrib was forever and a half ago. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 01:23, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * So take the cat tag off :P Doesn't make sense to tag it for deletion. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 01:24, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * can you think of one good reason not to delete it? it's an exact copy of a main namespace article, it's the user's only contrib, and it was 3 months ago. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 01:25, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I can think of one good reason not to delete it; it's his userspace. It's not up to us what he puts there. If it is improperly tagged, then we can remove the cat tags; but honestly, if he wants to keep copies of articles in his userspace, that's up to him. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 01:29, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

Image copyright problem
Thank you for uploading the files listed below. GuildWiki takes copyright very seriously, and the images you have supplied are missing information on its copyright status. The images will be deleted after 7 days, unless the copyright status is determined for the license and the source of the images. Please review Image use policy and add a copyright tag to their image description page.

Thank you for your cooperation.

The following is a list of files that need attention: 84.13.251.42 07:10, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Image:Camera-icon.gif
 * you're kidding, right? it's not even on a main namespace article. it's a joke image between users, and never toucheds the production side. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:06, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Doesn't matter. You need to attribute each one... or in seven days, the image gets deleted. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 23:12, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * delete it. it's not worth the effort required by this process. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:14, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

...:/ Don't remove attribution tags unless you provide a copyright tag with sufficient info. -Auron  23:20, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * do you honestly believe there is a copyright violation in that image? product of work is not subject to the copyright of the tool manufacturer, MS is not coming here with a lawsuit. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:21, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * You're missing... the entire point. Do not remove an attribution request tag without adding an image copyright template in the same edit, unless the image is obviously in our jurisdiction to use without attribution (and since neither of us are lawyers, it's better to play safe and provide copyright info for all images). -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 23:24, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
 * exactly, the image was created by the user (read the comments) in excel and screenshot. since it's a product of work (the effort to create the excel data and formula) MS has no copyright over it. this is within fair use. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 23:27, 3 May 2007 (CDT)


 * I think in that case a or whatever it might be would be best. Agreed? <span style="font-family: Georgia, serif"> &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 10:53, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
 * is the correct tag. -- Xeon 11:13, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
 * gah. ugly syntax.--Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 20:26, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

Warrior armor
Please accept my apologies. I'm know you take the time and effort to give the best info for the wiki.&mdash; ├ A ratak ┤  16:29, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
 * meh, it needed to be done anyways. no harm no foul. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 16:31, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
 * my poor quatro is melted now, but at least there's pretty pictures ;) --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 16:37, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

Spelling ftl
Sarah, I know you're British and all, but this isn't british english or american english. Come on. Unnessisary? :P --Wizardboy777 20:22, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
 * nit picky little brat. be gone with you. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 22:39, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

Good job
Good job at revamping most, if not all of the secondary profession guides :) --Deathwing 20:52, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
 * they still need A LOT of work. they've been kinda emaciated by someone's tyrany, but i hope he gets the message. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 20:53, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Should I add profession tags beside the headers to make it a little more appealing? such as <font size="+1">Ritualist Warrior . It would add more color to the pages atleast. --Deathwing 21:00, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
 * i can't see that being useful. i was thinking more along the lines of more positive and negative advice about class combinations. in the absense of a build section, we're really lacking here. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 21:03, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Of course, but looking better is always good :P I tried to add some more things. If I think of any more I'll add it. --Deathwing 21:05, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

Invited
You are invited to participate, in the new SoW, chosen by Cheese Slaya. Good luck and have fun :D. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 20:51, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

Secondary profession for a warsassin
Assassins using axes suck. Please don't put notes like that in, as they give the wrong idea to fresh assassins. -Auron  20:51, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * i recall a very effective build using cyclone axe, sharpen daggers, and high critical strikes. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 20:52, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Just because it isn't the current popular build in HA doesn't mean its not viable. --Deathwing 20:55, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * which was my point with this whole campaign. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 20:55, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Assassins. Using. Axes. Suck. This has nothing to do with HA. It has to do with knowing this from personal experience. I've run an assassin through all three campaigns and in HA/GvG/RA/AB etc etc, and I can tell you that assassins using axes suck. What more do you want? Should I suggest bringing a Hammer next, because hammers do higher crits than axes? When do we draw the line between "it works" and "it is what sins should be doing?" -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 20:59, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * then offer some qualifing advice, if i though of it, so will some newbie sin, and he won't know better unless we tell him so. having not run a sin/axe build, i can't speak to it's effectivness, but i'm sure someone will try it and we should have an answer, not a blank spot. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 21:03, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * So wait, we need to fill it with equal crap via telling them every combination not to use? That makes zero sense. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 22:06, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * no, just address the major suckness, minor suckness can be ignored (like long splits or similar), just try to leave something useful for the prospective A/W to read, ok? no "X sucks, Y good, Z good" --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 22:09, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Take a look at the A/W section I left. It gave all the advice even the pro A/W's use; warrior IAS for increased DPS, and sparing spammable adrenaline skills (i.e., Fear Me) because assassins double-strike and build adren so fast. We seriously don't need to include "use axes," because that goes against everything an assassin is and does. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 22:15, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Aurons right Sarah, Sin axes are frowned upon everywhere. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 21:01, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * To be honest, I would rather have a new assassin with an axe than a new assassin with Death's Charge. --Deathwing 21:04, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * A simple statement (but more polite) to the effect of "Assassins not using Daggers, Bows, or Scythes are regarded as stupid. Assassins bringing teleports without defense or retreat skills are regarded as dead." might fit here. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    22:11, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Even bowsins and scythesins are gimmicky and don't deal as much damage as daggersins, even though they might be fun to use. I left the scythe and bow comments in even though they aren't the best of the best, because they're fun to use (unlike axesassins, which suck and are not fun to play). Heh, I had fun leveling a pet up with my A/R bowsin gimmick (hearty jahai rats ftw), but I honestly would not recommend that build to someone starting a sin. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 22:23, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * They're gimmicky, yeah, but aren't sins gimmicky to start with? -210.3.39.32 22:27, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes. Sins are cheat mode. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 22:39, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I wouldn't suggest any new player start as an Assassin, Paragon, Dervish, or Mesmer, TBH. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   22:29, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * But sadly, many people want to be a ninja. So they chose an assassin. Teleport in and kill them before they know what hit them right? like a ninja? -.- --Deathwing 22:31, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Ever noticed how ninjas first spend 5-10 years of their life practicing self defense? A new Assassin looks exactly like a Ninja would if they didn't have that practice. They'd jump right up to you, impale themselves on your sword, and wonder what went wrong. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    22:34, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Dervish, maybe, but why paragon? The class that can C-Space and still deal damage about equivilent to a sword warrior, spam chants and shouts, and not worry about positioning and over-extension. Difficult? Oookay. There has already been a 7 (or 9?) page on why Assassins suck in PvE at guru. It's pretty sad how people insist that Mesmers and Assassins are "unappreciated" classes when they basically aren't needed in PvE. Usable and "Needed" or even "Good" are different. -210.3.39.32 22:33, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I never said any of them were bad. I merely said new people should not play them.  And Paragons, at one time, were good.  After the nerfs, a Ranger beats them hands down.  Barrage > any Spear Skill around.  And Monks > nerfed Chants. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    22:36, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm not saying that they are good, read what I said. I said it's a brain dead class. Both in PvE and PvP, it's pretty much pressing T 1-2-3, and using chants as necessary, which is why it's good for a begginer. As for a ranger better.. barrage? Ha... ha. Seriously, using a bow for DPS is a lost cause. Warrior, being the heaviest damage dealer, at least a hell lot better than a ranger, and then the paragon, having a very similar DPS... let's see what that makes the paragon... -210.3.39.32 22:40, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Don't make me hit you over the head noting that Barrage + Splinter Weapon deals more damage in one shot then that Paragon can deal in 20. Anyway, I think I'm getting a bit touchy, so I'm off to bed. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   22:42, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
 * Only against mobs, in which case you'd be better off with SFs and MSes. Against straggling foes, even if you hit 2 at the same time, a paragon is going to deal more damage simply due to better IAS, Attack Speed, and damage. Barrage is around a shot per 2 seconds, plus the lag due to recharge, /W means no Conjure, and /Rt means time spent on casting, no vampiric, and certainly no conjures. It has no deepwound, no real spike. Plus on the interrupts though.
 * Try staying alive till VoD on a paragon. Get Conjure, SoL, Cruel Spear, Harrier's Toss. Fun fun fun. -210.3.39.32 22:52, 8 May 2007 (CDT)