Talk:Dzabel Land Guardian

Is anyone else curious about this previously non-existant boss? 20:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * *Raises hand* Where exactly was he supposed to spawn? And the updates note says "sometimes not to spawn". If it sometimes did spawn, why hasn't anyone every heard of it before? --[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Nevermind, misread it.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We could make this a scavenger hunt. First one to find Dzabel gets... something? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * A pat on the back --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A pat on the back and a cookie?--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy shit Viper, you EC'd me and said the exact same thing as me. Stalker...--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, I R eleet mindreeder --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But you missed the cookie part of it--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 21:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Tomoko aint a prize! --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Guessing its in Vabbi, in Dzagonur Bastion somewhere. --Shadowcrest 21:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it's a Tormented Stone Boss (Elementalist), so maybe in Kourna/Desolation. 90.206.214.231 21:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wait, you're talking as if you're sure he's a boss, but for instance on the GWW article he's listed as a NPC... -- Ricky  21:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would it be an NPC? Sounds like a monster name to me. 90.206.214.231 22:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * NPC = Non Playable Character/ Computer Played Char. That means: Anything you are not. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 22:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right that it doesn't say it's a boss, but that really sounds like an Elemental (might be a centaur or something), and they shouldn't have put in the NPC stub anyway, it should've been stub --Gimmethegepgun 22:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * They should've made a typo in the update notes, or in the (boss)name itself :D --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 22:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Still no luck on finding him, I hope he'll be worth the effort! I'd be really pissed if we're all wasting our time for a dumb new collector...--[[Image:Ricky_sig.jpg|18px]] Ricky  22:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He's blatantly the way to reach this Ebony Citadel outpost thingy tbh. Lord of all tyria 22:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Just scouted Wilderness of Bahdza - no luck. 90.206.214.231 22:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

First thing that came to mind for me was Hajok Earthguardian. I thought maybe one was Hajok, and one was meant to be this guy. Checked both. Neither have been changed. I'm not looking anymore, due to laziness. My best guess would be to look in a place with lots of Dervishes or Earth Elementalists. And look for a large area devoid of bosses. Other than that, i got no idea.--Darksyde Never Again 22:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Also just scouted north of Arjok ward (the wallhugging path with Crags). No luck. I recommend trying northern Turai's Procession next. 90.206.214.231 22:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This would be amusing if this wiki finds the boss before the "other" wiki. Then they would just blatantly copy our material :D Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  22:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like we'll find it first - the official wiki has only got 3 comments for the same article by comparison. 90.206.214.231 22:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * He may drop an awesomely skinned weapon--[[Image:Chris1645.JPG]] 22:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Tengu Scythe for the masses? :P 90.206.214.231 22:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

What amazes me is that nightfall came out ages ago and this guy was just put in :P --Shadowcrest 22:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He wasn't "put in", he had always been there but the devs only just noticed he didn't spawn. 90.206.214.231 22:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats what I'm saying. :P --Shadowcrest  22:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't help look, but Vabbi sounds like the most likely place. Anyone checked missions to make sure it isn't there?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  22:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got my money on Kourna. Turai's Procession, anyone?  Calor  (t) 23:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps he's just an NPC? 204.112.204.239 23:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a possibility, but it sounds like an Elemental boss name, so that's what we're searching for --Gimmethegepgun 23:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And, also, content on the "other" wiki is often more reliable then the speculation and other nonsense on this wiki. 204.112.204.239 23:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Bah, you and you Policiy nazis over there. Besides, there's about 3 people there looking for it.Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  23:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Plus, over there they have no idea if it's an NPC or boss either, so why are you saying anything about "reliability"? --Gimmethegepgun 23:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I could never agree that content on the "other" wiki is "more reliable". Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  23:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Gaile just confirmed it's a boss on her page. [[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  23:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I remember back in the day when they were already a couple months old and yet all of their information was copied (VERY directly) from this wiki, and about 80% of the links were red because they had no info --Gimmethegepgun 23:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That page must be getting hit hard, because it wont load for me. Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]] Sk8  23:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Rest assured that the Official Wiki's servers are alot more powerful than what Guildwiki uses/has used. 204.112.204.239 23:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Could have fooled me Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]] Sk8  23:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * orly? Then why have I timed out about 5 times attempting to load that page? --Gimmethegepgun 23:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "*whistles innocently and awaits the first discovery of the new boss* -- Gaile" [[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  23:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, shut up and go to your "better" wiki, IP. [[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  23:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Now now Entrea... NPA Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]] Sk8  23:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Somehow I also think this page is getting WAY more hits than theirs too (though I can't be certain, we unfortunately don't have one) --Gimmethegepgun 23:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Somehow, I doubt this wiki recieves as much traffic, ever. 204.112.204.239 23:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They have 5 hits. And I wasn't attacking, if he thinks the other wiki is better, why is he here? [[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  23:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Being that this wiki is older, and has a very faithful core of contributors... I think we can well rival the official wiki. The only thing they have going for them, is the in game linking to the wiki. Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]] Sk8  23:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You are an outdated pirate(see:User:Gravewit) of a rival. :P 204.112.204.239 23:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't even give me that crap. I was even barely aware of the inner workings of all that... and frankly I dont care... Good riddance to bad rubbish.  Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  23:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You make me laugh. Like....really hard. 204.112.204.239 23:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And we care why? You are a random person in the world.  To what bearing does that affect me?  None.  Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  23:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, since Anet hardly does anything at the official wiki, were it not for their stupid policies and stuff and had all speculation not happened here (as we came first), there would be just as much "stupid and pointless" speculation there. --Shadowcrest 23:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Moving your comments, is fun, no? 204.112.204.239 23:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really, its kinda irritating :P And I didn't move my comments, I moved your's and Isk8's so the conversation wasn't broken. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">Shadowcrest  23:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Predictions
I predict it will be a mesmer boss, with Visions of Regret, in either Bahdok Caverns or Dejarin Estate. This boss will use the Tormented Land style skin. What does everyone else think? ---Jamster--- 23:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * According to "official" wiki, someone found at Chokhin. Quick! FARM FOR GREENS! --Gimmethegepgun 23:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No one found it in Holdings of Chokhin. I made that guess. :P 204.112.204.239 23:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, so obviously you're not as accurate as you think. Btw, you can't use the "stealing" argument on this, because about 95% of the information about the game the "official" wiki has was stolen from us in it's entirety, including spelling errors --Gimmethegepgun 23:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yet on the "other" wiki, someone placed on the page that the boss is infront of the "Do Not Touch" in Forum Highlands... which would place him right next to Commander Sadi-Belai. Im finding this hard to believe.  Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  23:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They also say he has obby flesh which im pretty sure is a prophices skill &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.39.38.76 (contribs).
 * It's core, anon. And meh, that already has a cap in NF >:( [[Image:Jamster Sig.jpg|19px]] ---Jamster--- 23:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So who found him in Forum Highlands? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 90.206.214.231 --Gimmethegepgun 23:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's vandalism.--Darksyde Never Again 23:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I guess someone needs to go confirm. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing there, I just got there. Zefir 23:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Founded near Jerneh in Mankhelon. He is a heket ranger with Ferocious strike.83.54.49.155 23:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)--83.54.49.155 23:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, okay. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you give a screen? --Gimmethegepgun 23:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to check right now, will get screenshot if possible--Darksyde Never Again 23:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For some reason, I highly doubt that.  Calor  (t) 23:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Also confirmed to NOT spawn at the Do Not Touch in Forum Highlands edit conflicts SUCK Aggro  Sk8  23:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He is near Jerneh. Zefir 23:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Confirmed in Mahnkelon. Uploading in a sec. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">Shadowcrest 23:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yay, 4 bosses to kill on my 130's route :D ---Jamster--- 00:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

D= I found him first! Well, second. Here's a pic--Darksyde Never Again 00:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)





--<font face="vivaldi" size="3">Shadowcrest 00:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Dzabel.jpg Zefir 00:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

SoC gogo! --Gimmethegepgun 00:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sweet, we win. Officiwiki loses. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 00:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, look at this! Frenzy mender FTW![[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae   <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Here is the pic: [URL=http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw687wc2.jpg][IMG]http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5107/gw687wc2.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL] --83.54.49.155 00:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I love you, you crazy random IP. Zefir 00:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice, we own. Great SoC, IP<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And to think, I got myself killed to find out what skills he used -_- Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]] Sk8  00:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the style and format, it's my first contribution on a wiki. Oh, and in the pic it can also be seen what he drops. 83.54.49.155 00:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

official wiki pwned
It had to be said
 * We pwned them, yes. Not they pwned :P

On the other hand, if he has Disrupting Lunge, my 130 is probably f'd. ---Jamster--- 00:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And it's all thanks to 83.54.49.155, whoever that may be. Zefir 00:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Elite is Ferocious Strike Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]] Sk8  00:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I got the picture uploaded, i win =P--Darksyde Never Again 00:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like they already have some skills though. Quick, someone SoC![[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Damn, they got a SoC run in before us. Probably watched this pages for a map and made a run for it. Lord Belar 00:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They got a SoC, but no proof, so someone RV's it![[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Damn, i'm fighting him at this moment, i guess there's no point now, anyone else think Mahnkelon is overflowing with bosses?--Darksyde Never Again 00:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * got proof and location [[Image:Sacraficia.jpg‎ |70px|User:Sacraficia]] 00:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)



Official wiki claims he drops a green hornbow. Dzabel's Hornbow Aggro  Sk8  00:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Lets not copy any more info from them like their fake location, wait till we get a screenie of it. [[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Quick, someone find farm it and get us a screen! (please don't make it a crappy screen, we're on a deadline here!) --Gimmethegepgun 00:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm currently farming the hell out of him. If I get anything, I'll upload immediately. Zefir 00:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My Paragon is in Crossroads, american D1, if anyone wants to party up and hunt the green. IGN:  Gene Starrwind.  Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  00:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course, all the Official Wiki's bow info was added by the same anon, with no one confirming it.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote it, I beat you to it, I now have 2 of them and they are real (even if the stats are horrible), get over it.  proof for the haters. 67.191.245.177 01:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Can someone show me how to upload this to wiki? I can get a pic in with me posing with it if necessary. &mdash; <font color="Red">Feurin Longcastle   01:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC) (Made bigger)
 * That picture's too damn small to see anything. Just doa search for a pic like image:dzabel'sbow.jpg--Darksyde Never Again 01:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I win--Darksyde Never Again 01:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I get second. First time I went out to farm him, I got his green. Go me!--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You suck Marco :P We have done like.. a dozen runs with nothing Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]] Sk8  01:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, team play ftl. 130 Dervish solo ftw!! I've uploaded a picture of it. Now flame me for how much it sucks.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * nah, its fine, i was in the group with Isk8 and we got nadah. U lucky, lucky ...you. [[Image:Sacraficia.jpg‎ |70px|User:Sacraficia]] 01:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

official wiki officially owned.
we beat them to fill out all the info including pic of the bow. Yay gwiki community!! 01:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They beat us to the SoC, but we beat them to everything else. Yay gwiki indeed! --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">Shadowcrest 01:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Randomtime, do I get RT points for uploading first image of the bow??--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do I get RT points for confirming and fixing the bow page? :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">Shadowcrest  01:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They beat us to SoC, but they couldn't add it because their useless policies bogged them down since they didn't have hard proof --Gimmethegepgun 01:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I got news for you folks...I was the guy who posted the stats for the bow first over at official and i posted the confirmation photo over here in response to what Entrea wrote. Check the timestamps before you crack the champagne bottles. 67.191.245.177 01:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Our information about the boss and the bow are as complete as yours... but you forgot something. Where's your unique references to it? Can't find em? Maybe that's because they don't exist! However, they sure do here! --Gimmethegepgun 01:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Whats more impressive...a few minor edits or the drop AND stats of the bow nearly a full hour before you guys and then it still took you almost 30 minutes to notice. I rest my case.  67.191.245.177 01:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's see... You guys had the incorrect skill listing for 16 minutes after we had the correct ones, took 5 minutes longer to get the screenshot (and ganked it from us no less), and have incorrect information saying the boss was added in the update, when in fact it was debugged in the update so it actually spawns. And you still don't have the weapon linked up into the QRs, weapon listings, etc --Gimmethegepgun 01:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OMG, please both of you STOP. This is not a competition. Get over it please.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine. On a more important note, has anyone confirmed level 30 for HM, or is that an assumption on the Floodplain of Mahnkelon page based on how everyone else is 30? --Gimmethegepgun 01:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * it is level 30, I know because I farmed him in hard mode, that's when I got his bow--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 01:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * or marco can EC me and prove me wrong before i say something, thats cool too --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">Shadowcrest 01:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * K, added. GJ owning Shadow before he could even show up, MP! --Gimmethegepgun 01:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I practice that. having fun w/ the hidden message conversation?--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup! --Gimmethegepgun 02:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

You guys are pathetic. The wikis should co-operate, not compete. I'm ashamed to work with you. -- (gem / talk) 03:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * /agree--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 03:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope when you say "you guys", credit is being given where its due. I come on this wiki's discussion page to find the lower half of the page is a finger-point festival towards the official...you certainly can't say the same for the opposite. 67.191.245.177 03:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup. I didn't have the need to post about this on gww. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 03:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's because none of us went over there to start bragging about this wiki's superiority. I'm sure that if we had they would've reacted the same way. If not for the fact that even thinking about bringing a conversation off course from the game would probably get them banned for a couple of days cause of their policies... --Gimmethegepgun 03:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope. Actually it is because most of the editors there came from here and realise that the wikis should co-operate instead of having such a rivalry as you see it. The rivalry is mostly one sided and mostly from you newer GWiki users. -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 03:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm a newer GuildWiki person? --Gimmethegepgun 03:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Reset indent. It's a joke, right? A nice joke too. Don't be so uptight, just some friendly competition. Mr. Mango 04:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yar. And the two wikis will probably never really be on peaceful terms, there are too many arrogant people on both-and that includes me. 222.153.227.37 05:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Those bastards will never win!
 * Ehh, that wikis to strict for my taste, have a rule for every little thing, besides we have history here, and the histories to prove it :) :)--Alari 05:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the fact that I am an older contributor here, is one of the reasons I have such pride for this wiki, and lack there of for the other one. When someone comes in here and tries to trash us, I feel compelled to stand up for what I believe in.  Occasionally that goes to far, and thankfully I know my limits (if you asked me that 2-3 years ago, It'd have been completely different).  Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  14:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Kurzicks vs. Luxons anyone? Jennalee 14:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then we are clearly Luxon. --Macros 14:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of Wikipride and petty competition, remember that assume good faith and no personal attacks covers anons too. Sigh...I have reasons to dislike GWW as much as any of you do, but like Gem I also understand that it is almost always in the best interest to work together instead of fighting. Don't let pride become vanity. We can't afford that anymore. (T/C) 18:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)