User talk:Tanaric

I'm changing server providers, so there's a slight chance email this weekend might not get to me. Please try again on Monday if I don't respond. I'm notified of any edits to this page via email, so an I will be with you as soon as possible if you need assistance. If your concern is private, you may email me at &lt;cory@tanatopia.net&gt;. You may also leave a note on any other administrators' talk page. Also, if you choose to email me, you need to include your GuildWiki username or your IP address. I can't unban you if I don't know who you are!

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Tanaric lives!! Halelluja! :) --Karlos 00:49, 29 July 2006 (CDT)


 * I certainly try. Though, curiously enough, I'm going on a roadtrip with my significant other from August 8th–13th, and then am in training 12 hours+ a day for two weeks after that... *sigh* &mdash;Tanaric 06:29, 29 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Well, even if you're only on occasionally I'll be glad of your company and that reasonable mind of yours! Although saying that the last couple of weeks I've been busy with work, so I haven't been about as much as I'd like myself. Anyway, ahoy Tanaric!  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 15:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)


 * <3 &mdash;Tanaric 20:34, 29 July 2006 (CDT)


 * What should we call the NWN wiki, if such a thing materializes? Gravewit 15:44, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I would think NWNWiki, NeverWiki sounds too corny. :) As for the domainname, I commented on the forum. --Karlos 17:21, 1 August 2006 (CDT)


 * NeverWikiNights? - 17:24, 1 August 2006 (CDT)
 * Yesssss! And then when my mates ask me what I'm doing at the moment I can say, "I'm on NWN!" and then hang my head and say, "no not that game, the wiki." in a similar fashion to how I do with GW. It'll be an awesome game, if I get into it like I did that last one...I may have to quit my job! --Xasxas256 00:11, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Wow, it's sad when I'm the last to respond to something on my own talk page. :P


 * In all seriousness, I like NeverWiki. It rolls off the tongue, and it fits the naming theme established by GuildWiki. &mdash;Tanaric 05:20, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * A wiki called "NeverWiki"? Doesn't anyone see that as weird? :) --Karlos 05:56, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Actually, one already exists, for the GPL Super Monkey Ball clone, Neverball. &mdash;Tanaric 06:12, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Well, I lost the link to the forums we were discussing this and it doesn't seem to be accessible through the blog. I'd rather discuss the user mods topic there instead of here, so if I could get hit with a url, I'd be in someone's debt.


 * And it doesn't look like much is going on with that NeverWiki site. I have no opinion what it's called, I just can't wait to add my scripting knowledge to it. ;) I say if they haven't copyrighted the name, its fair game. -Gares 18:34, 2 August 2006 (CDT)


 * http://forums.gamewikis.org/


 * And, I don't see a problem with using the name either. &mdash;Tanaric 04:01, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

protection request
doesn't look like any admins are on - there is a User:Panther who keeps blanking his talk page (User talk:Panther) - it seems like we want to keep it - can you perform your evil admin magicks upon it? (talk) 12:24, 4 August 2006 (CDT)


 * We have to honor his request. I moved the thread to the relevant talk page. No big deal. --Karlos 12:39, 4 August 2006 (CDT)

Main Page
Would you mind updating it with the edit I made on the editcopy? I just added the Policy link, that's all. &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 18:46, 5 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Done, though I changed your wording. Let me know if you find it unacceptable. I think your wording made it sound mandatory, which it isn't&mdash;knowing our policies is a plus, but contributing at all should be emphasized over contributing in the optimal way. &mdash;Tanaric 19:05, 5 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Yes, I agree with the wording. Thanks for the quick update. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 20:03, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

Nomination
You realize this is totally going to look like you're only nominating me because I agree with you on the current policy issues, right? :) (Although, wait, there was something... hmm... click, click... ah yes, here it is. I'm totally not with you on that one. I guess that's good enough as a cover story...) -- Bishop [ rap|con ] 21:10, 5 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I don't expect much controversy over the current policy issues anyway, so it shouldn't matter.


 * That said, it's something I'd been planning to do for a while&mdash;was just waiting for "one more good thing" to push me over the edge, and our policy conversation was it. :) &mdash;Tanaric 21:13, 5 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Haha, well, thanks. As you can see, I've accepted your nomination. When people get out of bed (or out of The Deep) I guess we'll find out if the rest of the usual suspects agree with your kind words. :) -- [[Image:Bishop_icon2.png]] Bishop [ rap|con ] 21:20, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

Of socks and puppets...
Did you get a chance to review that whole fiasco of sock-puppetry that took place? I would like to know your thoughts on it if you have the time. If you don't know the issue or need pointers on where to look let me know and I'll try to reconstruct the events. --Karlos 02:20, 6 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I know accusations were made, and I know it involved Stabber. Honestly, after the Stabber/egan vs. F_G thing, I tried to stay the hell away. I wouldn't mind looking at it now, though, if you can provide a link. &mdash;Tanaric 07:36, 6 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I can't recall all the loose ends, but the chronlogical trail goes something like this:
 * I had an altercation with Stabber, a fast and furious revert war over the stupid formatting on a game update page. She tagged herself and myself for banning and then stormed out the door, as usual. I believe this (which is the full discussion) and this (Stabber's only input on the matter) can bring you up to speed on that incident.
 * A few days later, User:Deldda_Kcarc who had been almost non-existent since just before Stabber first joined resurfaced and started getting to work right away. Marking articles for deletion that were mostly things Stabber worked on. At the time, I thought Deldda was lurking and waiting for Stabber to leave so he can remove what he felt was trivial work. I went to his talk page and put a warning that he should not do that and that a few of the things he marked for deletion were clearly articles people read and are working on. He started to blank his user page. The altercation is described in this thread.
 * He then made this request follow the link to that talk thread. During that thread, it was revealed that Stabber posted content on this wiki using Deldda's account.
 * This sparked this as well as all the talk on Stabber's talk page starting from the section marked as "Wow"
 * The community portal talk page and stabber's talk page point to all the different places the threads were moved to. Let me know your thoughts on the whole sock-puppetry issue and feel free to critique my positions in those disputes, I know they were less than exemplary. --Karlos 13:32, 6 August 2006 (CDT)


 * Absolutely none of those discussions should have taken place. If anyone had suspicions of sock puppetry, we should have looked for proof on the server side among the administrators. There is no justifiable reason to post accusations of shady metawiki activities on another user's talk page, or to start emailing random personnel connected by IP addresses. If F_G had information that was good for the wiki, he should have passed it to one of us quietly&mdash;and that's the only thing he should have done.


 * It's clear to me that attempting to make judgement calls on "harmful" vs. "harmless" sockpuppetry is a mire the administrative team doesn't need. Most of us don't like getting mired in interuser disputes anyway. I'd like to establish the following policy: "Any user found using a covert sockpuppet will have all his usernames immediately and irrevokably banned. Any user publically accusing another user of sockpuppetry will have his username immediately and irrevokably banned. Any user later claiming to be any user banned in this way will be immediately and irrevokably banned."


 * This allows the user to recreate an account if he likes. We should not ban based on IP in these circumstances. I'm guessing, but I imagine most users that we'd ever ban under a policy like this would be cases of users accidentally/unknowingly sockpuppeteering. The lack of IP enforcement allows them to continue working on the wiki without much of a penalty. Anybody maliciously engaging in covert sockpuppetry cannot be stopped by technical means anyway, so there's no point in making the policy any stricter than this.


 * If you'd like more detailed commentary on individual bits of that conflict, I can read through it all. I just glanced over the seemingly important parts for this. &mdash;Tanaric 14:07, 6 August 2006 (CDT)


 * And what would constitute proof of sock-puppetry to an admin? --Karlos 15:37, 6 August 2006 (CDT)