GuildWiki talk:Suggestions/Named Skills History

A wastrel, to my knowledge is someone who does nothing, so the wastrel skills punish you for not using skills. Lord of all tyria 16:21, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Correct. There used to be trivia notes of that on WWorry's page, iirc. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

My 2 Cents
Not sure what you mean by "named", but I hope this helps.--El_Nazgir 18:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Jaizhenju Strike most likely comes from Jaizhanju (but one of them has a spelling mistake, and I seem to recall something similar happening to something else, but I can't remember where.
 * A Dolyak is a type of creature, and if Angorodon's Gaze is put in so should this (Angorodons are a type of dinosaur here).
 * Similarly, Ntouka are beasts too.

Also, back on Wastrel; we shouldn't make up some backstory or something, if that's what you're pointing at. --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  18:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Alkar
 * "a religious hermit living alone, often in the desert. " <-- Eremite (or)
 * "Any of various slender, narrow-winged hawks of the genus Circus, such as the marsh hawk, that prey on small animals." <-- Harrier (or)

Move
The page is nice, maybe we can put it in mainspace? It could be categorized as Lore and Lists? -- ◄mendel► 20:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

One fundamental flaw
GuildWiki is not a place for fanfiction. It goes counter to our mission of documenting the game if we are going to make up fictitious lore just for the purpose of making trivia interesting. Trivia* is never about "made-up backstory"; it's all verifiable in-game, from a dictionary, or from the ANet staff.

It seems pretty obvious to me that "Balthazar's Aura is named after Balthazar". I don't think something like that should be noted. The line gets a bit fuzzier for skills like Angorodon's Gaze, named after the Angorodon, or Jaizhenju Strike, named after Jaizhanju. Depending on what campaigns you have, you may not be familiar with those creatures/persons in-game. But even if you have those campaigns, who bothers to read the lore? And when it comes to skills that use uncommon words like Wastrel's Worry (see a dictionary for definition), that is entirely subjective. Some people may be familiar with the word, others not.

But regardless of that, one must also consider that we are not Wikipedia, nor a dictionary, nor Google. We are a Guild Wars fansite, and our content is about Guild Wars and Guild Wars-related things. Is it really our place to define words for people, such as "wastrel", or "harrier" (which, by the way, refers to a specific kind of bird)? I don't think so, and the community has in the past shown repeatedly that they don't support having that kind of trivia on the page. I think that consensus still stands.

* Footnote: There probably is still some bad trivia out there, somewhere, but most of it has been purged by now; it's the exception, not the rule.

(T/C) 21:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

"I guess it is up to us, the community, to decide what skills were developed by important/legendary figures in the GW Universe and fill in the blanks as necessary."

There are no blanks to fill in...


 * 1) Wastrel - see a dictionary.
 * 2) Almost all item spells - named after people that we will never know, because there is no information anywhere about them, and ANet has not provided any. People that we do know about include Lady Glaive, Kaolai, Sogolon the Protector, and Saidra.
 * 3) Bonetti - see Bonetti for explanation of this trivia.
 * 4) Eremite - see a dictionary.
 * 5) Harrier - see a dictionary or Wikipedia.
 * 6) Alkar, Jamei, Karei, Kitah, Zojun, Angorodon, Kirin, Heket, Deldrimor - see relevant article.

Have any more?

(T/C) 21:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * GuildWiki does have Fanfiction, in user space. Character backstories, made-up skills, all that is fiction, and its proper place is user space.
 * "Who reads it?" is a spurious argument; the OP finds it interesting, and I could counter "Who reads our lore, anyway?" and delete a whole bunch of articles. If it's in-game, we document it, and to see at a glance which skills are named after documented persons and which are not is valuable in my eyes, at least for some, and those who like to really roleplay this MMOroleplayingG. -- ◄mendel► 00:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)