Talk:Stray

I created this entry, because at least one other entry (Miss) contains a reference to it.--Atjous 04:03, 9 August 2006 (CDT)


 * I removed the link to here from miss when I rewrote mainly because I'm not sure the definition given here is correct but I have very rarely seen strays occur so I don't have a good definition myself. I think what's given here isn't enough to distinguish it from dodge.  You can get a "dodge" while the projectile lands very close to the character.  --68.142.14.65 12:14, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

I have no direct means of proving my point, but it is my firm believe that dodge occurs by any action of the creature under fire (comparable with e.g. the Whirling Defense effects), whilst stray occurs simply because there is a chance to miss a target, built in the weapons statistics (especially when the creature under fire is moving). As a Ranger, I quite often observe stray messages in the game. --Atjous 04:00, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
 * I really don't think there's an inherent chance to miss with any weapon. Ranger is probably my least played profession, though.  --68.142.14.65 14:05, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
 * i doubt i've seen more then a few strays, mostly while blind. i'm thinking "stray" is just "miss" with a ranged weapon. i have seen strays on wands thou... --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 14:22, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
 * No, you still "miss" with ranged weapons. --68.142.14.65 14:26, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

Dodging occurs when a projectile is headed at you and you physically remove yourself from its trajectory. A Stray shot is when a projectile's trajectory was simply never destined to hit you because of a micro-miscalculation that occured at the time the projectile was fired, presumably as a result of stopping movement rather than initiating movement. It has been my experience that strays occur when an opponent dramatically changed or ended its movement at the very moment that my arrow's trajectory was to be determined.

What I'm trying to say is: if you move out of the way, you dodge; if you stop moving, and your opponent "leads" too much, it's a stray. --70.116.1.42 02:54, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

Content
I've never really been able to figure out what causes a stray or seen anyone else put forth a verifiable explanation/test case. The one above about stopping movement results in a dodge in my tests. So, I changed the article to just say no one knows. --Fyren 17:23, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Mechanic & Testing
I've devoted some time to researching the stray mechanic and put it under testing in various conditions. Here are the preliminary conclusions I've reached thus far:
 * Stray is a mechanic available only with ranged weapons (bows, spears, wands).
 * Stray is a close companion to the dodge mechanic.
 * Strays seem to occur more frequently at greater ranges, and have yet to be seen at extremely close ranges.
 * Easiest method of producing the stay mechanic is with a ranger + flatbow at the end of the range.
 * Skills such as Aegis and Guardian never produce a stray mechanic on their own.
 * It is impossible (or atleast never seen in 15 minutes of continuous testing) to produce a stray on a stationary target.
 * Strays do not occur when a target is moving consistently in a predictable, linear motion.
 * Essence Bond and Balthazar's Spirit is not triggered by a stray, but Spiteful Spirit is.
 * Attack skills can stray, and are still subject to their usual recharge.
 * Not all strays are neutered.

I'll write up an article about this when my research is complete. I say research because it sounds more credible than "screwing around." --Warwulf 15:54, 9 March 2007 (CST)


 * As far as I can tell, the mechanics fro stray are the same as any other way of avoiding damage (Dodge, Miss and Block) in that it counts as an attack but not a hit. The only thing that seems undetermined so far is what exactly causes a stray and what is the difference between stray and dodge.--Devils Apprentice 21:08, 4 April 2007 (CDT)