User:Mosrael The Waker/Storm Talk

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This build is still being improved as I go along, so could everyone please refrain from posting negative talk until I say so.--Mosrael The Waker

Rate-a-Build

 * Favored


 * 1) This build causes a permanent KD, making it impossible for the enemy to run away. Add that to the bunching up because of Ward Against Foes, and you have a build the AoEs a team while they get up and fall back down.--Mosrael The Waker


 * Unfavored


 * 1) wow. HA players know how to move their character out of a Mshower --Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 17:17, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * See my comment below--Mosrael The Waker
 * 1) but what do u do after u cast Mshower 3 times and then what? u have no other defenses except for the warder and no other attack skills. consider puting like immolate or fireball or even flare, but that dosnt do much. --Mgelo21 17:35, 12 March 2007
 * 2) Call me skeptical, but I don't think the one hit wonder gimmick is going to get very far. Isis In De Nile 19:03, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 3) Comments below. Jinkas 00:36, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 4) Except... kiting. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 01:00, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 5) This is awesome. Until they run. Maybe this is good for killing the Ghosts in the beginning? --SBR 01:10, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 6) You do know that the build this claims to be based off of is a joke build presented for humor? The cast time of MS is 5 seconds. a bunch of squishy eles won't be able to stand around and cast it 2 or 3 times without being interrupted (resolve doesn't prevent KD) or simply killed. Not to mention that this isn't even a complete build. And the warder doesn't even have an elite. &mdash; JediRogue  [[Image:JediRogueSig.jpg]] (talk][[Special:Contributions/JediRogue|contribs) 01:22, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * This IS a complete build and the warder DOES have an elite.--Mosrael The Waker 13:50, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) --Cheese Slaya 15:43, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Huh?
 * 1) No way, completely unreal, as soon as they see that many eles their first thought is, "Spread out".Zero 15:52, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) After the inclusion of the Wammmo Healer, I've decided that this is a practical joke. But not even Undead Rurik would laugh at that and he's undead. --Ryard 21:48, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 3) Counters: Ward of Stability, Balanced stance, hex removal, organized groups.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 22:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 4) Look before the first met knocks me down, i walk out, there goes your "cosntant knockdown". Also a good prot monk could easy survive this as he 'll get prot spirits and reversals through. Badbybirth 15:20, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 5) -Silk Weaker 19:35, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

discussion
I have added some healers/kd'ers and modified the Warder. Can we please have a revote on this build? The changes are really significant, and have (in my opinion) a pretty good strategy.--Mosrael The Waker 15:43, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

To point out what is wrong with most people's votes: players can't move out of the MShower because they have Deep Freeze on them, then they get the permanent kd; you do NOT cast Mshower 3 times (you have 3 casters who cast once each per group of enemies) unless you need to hit 3 groups of enemies. If you are lucky, you will only need 1 if they bunch up, or if you are unlucky, you may not hit all of them. If you do not hit 2 enemies with at least 2 showers, you're in trouble. In response to "This is awesome. until they run" how well could you run with legs encased in ice?. Yes I do know that Meteor Storm is a humour build, but it is a really effective one at that. I use to get my 2k faction a day against Zaishen.--Mosrael The Waker 12:38, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Ok, so you nuke then are useless for a loooong time with a bunch of softies.Zero 15:44, 12 March 2007 (CDT) The idea is to kill the enemy team on the first nuke --Mosrael The Waker 15:58, 12 March 2007 (CDT)


 * The idea of this build is to kill the opposing party on the first nuke? All it would take would be just one or two interrupters, say Rangers or Spinal Shutdown Necros, to completely distroy this team. Against a team with little experience, this build may work. But in HA you aren't going to find many unexperienced teams. Will W. 16:50, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Mantra of Resolve protects from interrupts, Ward of Stability from KD--Mosrael The Waker 12:38, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Ok let me get this straight, you're going to have half your team standing there for 5 seconds casting a nuke that may or may not hit and everyone is going to run from. Then 2 seconds to cast arcane echo then another 5 seconds then 1 second to cast glyph of sacrifice. So you're going to have to wait 14 seconds to get full potential out of this build. All the while hoping that the enemy team is standing in a ball and refuses to move. This comes out to a grand total of 96 energy(this is hoping they don't try and interrupt you or strip fire attunement)+30 exhaustion to boot. So basically you blow your wad and hope things die and that none of them carry res sig? Sure you may kill one unlucky or stupid squishy but then what? Wait 2-3 minutes for your energy to recover and hope they haven't killed you yet? This doesn't sound like much of a plan.At least try and add a water ele so that this almost seems viable ><. Lets make this interesting and add a rit(wanderlust+earth bind standard spirit spammer) and water ele(standard snare) then add gale on all the eles and use meteor and meteor shower. I mean it probably won't work but it'll do better then what you got here and it would be one hell of a laugh.--DeathByPepsi 17:26, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

I guess no one saw the big fat MANTRA OF RESOLVE or WARDS OF STABILITY AND AGAINST ENEMIES!!! I am putting this build under Untested again because it hasnt been tested. I know this because a) the amount of ppl talking about interrupts as a counter (mantra of resolve, ppl!) and moving away (if you read the description, you would know that it keeps the target knocked down permanently, and slows them 2/3rds before they get the perma-KD) Also, I told you that the Ward Against Foes will cause a team running forward to bunch up, which will make your team able to kill them using only 1 of the 4 meteor showers!--Mosrael The Waker
 * Please sign your comments on talk pages by placing ~ after your comment. [That sentence was added before the user hand-signed the comment.] This build has been declared as 'unfavored' by the users of this wiki based on the accepted policy for vetting builds.  Said policy does not require actual testing of builds.  This build will remain unfavored until it is significantly changed, in which case it may be possible to hold a revote.  Any efforts by anyone to continually replace an unfavored template with an untested template will wind up being in violation of GW:1RV. Jinkas 00:23, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * If i had a picture of a MStormer Team doing well in HA, would I get at least Untested again?--Mosrael The Waker 12:47, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Although there are many who would be interested in seeing that picture, the answer is no. To move a build from unfavored to untested the build has to be substantially changed.  Essentially, the build has to be changed enough so that it is more or less a "new" build (hence, the revoting is done on a "new" build). Jinkas 12:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Would the new healers/KD'ers be enough to have a revote?--Mosrael The Waker 15:26, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I think people just skimmed through my article, and didn't actually READ the finer points! (permanent kd, mantra of resolve, etc)--Mosrael The Waker

How would you deal with:
 * Degen?
 * How would anyone get close enough to do that without getting annihilated by 3 meteor showers?--Mosrael The Waker 12:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Diversion?
 * Conditions?
 * See Degen--Mosrael The Waker 12:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Rangers?
 * KD with Gale, then nuke them--Mosrael The Waker 12:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Monks?
 * Nuke them--Mosrael The Waker 12:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Shadow stepping?
 * The difficulty of timing your meteor storms?
 * Guild teams--Mosrael The Waker 12:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Enemies walking out of your wards?
 * With legs frozen in ice?--Mosrael The Waker 12:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Enemies surviving your initial attack?
 * I doubt an enemy could survive 9x119dmg meteors while being immobile.--Mosrael The Waker


 * The half of the team that survived because they didn't walk into the wards or are in the back?
 * That is why each Stormer can individually cast 4 Showers--Mosrael The Waker


 * What if your warder dies before they can get off any wards?
 * Generic resurrect--Mosrael The Waker 12:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

There are many things to think about. --Ryard 00:33, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Which I did when I first planned it.--Mosrael The Waker 14:00, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

The premise of this build is flawed. It assumes that the entire opposing team will walk together into one Ward Against Foes that isn't even going to last as long as the Meteor Shower chain will last. As soon as the foes see Meteor Shower being cast they'll scatter, and if even one monk is outside of that Ward Against Foes the bulk of the opposing team will survive longer than the ward will. As soon as that ward goes down the Meteor Shower team will be left with no more attack and very little defense. That's why I voted unfavored. Jinkas 00:36, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Every player has at least one KD skill.--Mosrael The Waker 14:00, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Resolve doesnt prevent KD, but Ward Of Stability DOES! --Mosrael The Waker 12:06, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Xinrae weapon from ritualist will work nice against this build, it is only based on a simple spell. And why don't use arcane mimicry, to gain an additional singet and cast 4 showers per caster. How --Crigore 13:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

wait wait wait
Wait...you have a W/Mo (a warrior primary) using Heaven's Delight.......So...he'll spend a whole 10 energy and two seconds (I wouldn't even bother interrupting) healing all party members in the area for...a whopping 10 hp. Your elite is Life Sheath and yet...you only put 6 points into Prot. I have a hard time believing that you took this seriously. You just can't. A warrior doesn't spend his two pips of energy regen for healing. Oh, and in regards to Blackout, you are quite wrong. You forgot Power Block. And Psychic Distraction. And, heaven forbid that someone bring Spellbreaker. I won't even begin talking about Meteor Shower. --Vortexsam 22:00, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * can we PLEASE put the joke template on this? I think ill go ask skuld gem (sinse when isnt skuld an admin?). he put it on the starburst warrior.--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 13:15, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Do not strike out votes
Mosrael, I posted this on your talk page in an attempt to keep it private, but you aren't logged in and are hand-signing your comments so you can't see it. Striking out of build vetting votes is not allowed. From Build vetting procedure: "Do NOT strike out other people's votes or delete them for any reason. If you think a vote is objectionable in any way, report it to an admin (see GW:ADMIN for a list of admins)." I am also reporting your favored vote to the admins because build authors cannot vote on their own builds. Jinkas 00:38, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The person is not logged in. Leave the message here: [] --Ryard 00:41, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Thank you for letting me know. It won't happen again.--Mosrael The Waker 12:48, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

DELETION?!?!?
So what if it's based on a joke build? The main aim is to keep the enemy knocked down while meteors fall on them, which it does very well! Also, it doesn't use it like the joke build does. This is designed so that you can do 4 nukes, each if which will kill that target no matter what if executed properly.--Mosrael The Waker 14:45, 14 March 2007 (CDT) (Added later) And if the nuke doesn't kill them, the burning from Bed of Coals should!--Mosrael The Waker 15:08, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * GuildWiki's purpose is to provide helpful information and document the game. These page fulfils neither, and you seem to be treating it as your personal playground. Think carefully why you are here. &mdash; Skuld 14:49, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Curse You's build does neither as well, you don't see his page up for deletion!--Mosrael The Waker 15:10, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * His page is in his personal user space, which is much closer to a personal playground than the build namespace is. (BTW: +1 vote for deletion) Jinkas 15:11, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Anyway, the deletion tag was added by someone I've never seen before and has never even posted in the talk. Who is this Poki who just flagged my page for deletion without (as far as I know) even reading the fine print or the discussion?--Mosrael The Waker 15:17, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * take a look at his contributions(http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Poki) if you dont think he know enough to be adding a delete tag.--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 15:41, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Let's remember GW:YAV. Whether a user knows enough or not to add the delete tag is irrelevant; anyone can add it.  The deletion is then open to debate within the community. Jinkas 15:43, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Lol that is exactly wut i was gonna say.--Mosrael The Waker
 * yes, i was pointing out that poki is a long time contributor, and knows what he is doing. not saying he is more important than mosrael--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 16:02, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * The build seems pretty funny to me, so even if you guys decide that it should be deleted, could someone archive it in personal user space? --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 19:04, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Sure, I will, considering it's my creation.--Mosrael The Waker
 * Yay. +1 delete. -Silk Weaker 19:35, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Time to kill it then. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 19:41, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

wait, i want it in my space--Coloneh RIP 23:00, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

I edited it and explained why it is NOT based on a joke build, effectively overruling the reason for deletion.--Mosrael The Waker
 * It has a Wammo Healer/Tank with Life Sheath. It's not based on a joke build anymore, it is a joke build. -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|||My Talk]] 00:09, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Further more: "For maximum effect yell out "LEEEEROOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIINS!!!!" (in public chat.) This will make the enemy think you are a griefer, and they will all attack you." (+1 deletion) Mr. Mango 00:27, 15 March 2007 (CDT)