Talk:Lieutenant Thackeray

Name
Should we include that his first name is Keiran? From the speech he has with Gwen at the end of Wintersday Cheer. Pine Ofthaven 17:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was about to do that myself, actually. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 17:53, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * unless its a nickname :p 76.188.100.220 19:28, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Love
Would he be in love with Gwen? That could explain why is so stressed to involve her. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 11:44, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * See Wintersday cheer talk page, definitely a possibility. Roland Cyerni 03:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

"He" is a girl
There is a wrong translation in polish language, "He" is treated as w woman... =O Alex1991gw 11:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Logan Thackeray
As anyone seen the new races video? The human is a Thackeray. (to bad for all of those people who fell in love with gwen)

New Dialog
I observed a new dialog between Keiran and Gwen and have added the dialog to the page. I'm not sure if it has been added before on a different page or not. Here's a pic of part of the conversation. Image TheSeer99 03:25, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well thats it. There going to have a baby for sure now. Thats nr. 3. It's Mhenlo ♥ Cynn, Koss ♥ Melonni and Keiran ♥ Gwen. Hooray! -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©   Talk  16:49, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, the wording describing the new dialogues are a bit confusing, as each of the 5 dialogues (separated by lines on the page) happen consecutively each time you re-enter the HoM. Eg the first time you go in (after the update) you see the first new dialogue, the second time you enter you see the second, etc.  The sixth time you enter (there are 5 new dialogues), Thackeray does not appear and there is no new dialogue.  I have no idea how to word that on the page, but just wanted to get the information here.  Oh, and on the 5th visit/dialogue, Thackeray is suffering from the "Crippled" condition, complete with the little downward brown arrow as he staggers along.  He reaches the stairs, does a /catchbreath, then sits down.  So yeah.  Feel free to add that stuff where it should be.  I'm hoping that this is setup for a new multi-campaign quest or something (I've already gotten red iris flowers and farmed 2 sentient seeds today).  I've done some crude research looking for any other changes across Tyria.  I entered the UW after the first dialog with flowers and seeds in my inventory and gwen in my party.  Sarah and Gwen talked, but nothing new happened.  I entered after watching the last dialogue with Gwen in my party and the stuff in my inv, and same dialogue, nothing new.  I entered without Gwen, and Sarah was there with Benton, but only the normal dialogue happened between the two.  I got on my perma-pre and talked to Mary Malone (I have her quest The Orchard in my log, but not completed), and nothing new.  I also talked to Sarah in Ashford, but nothing new (I didn't really expect there to be, because limiting the quest to prophecies-only characters wouldn't really make sense, but I wanted to cover everything I could think of).  So after checking all these, I'm fairly certain that nothing else has been implemented yet, if there will be anything.  Perhaps after the next update someone else could go through this list again, and let me know if any of you think of anything else to check.  Peace!  Ailina 17:11, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats some research you did. Nice now thats what wiki needs :P. But I do hope for a quest but don't think Anet will make a quest though. -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  11:25, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think they might, eventually. I call 5th B-day. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 11:51, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe there is hope -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  14:18, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * There was a minor undocumented update today (or maybe last night, dunno). Anyone know what it is, or if not, anyone want to check if this has anything to do with the new dialogue?  Ailina 18:01, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wasn't it: Fixed a timing issue with the upcoming weekend event? -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  18:14, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm with ROK on the 5th B'day idea, good timing for it IMO. In the last part of the dialog I love it how Keiran hobbles in (at a seemingly much faster rate - turbo-cripple?), gets to sitting down and Gwen leaves her post and rushes up to his aid.  Anyway I've got Red Iris Flowers in the inventory and started farming up some Sentient Seeds in Istan.  In the early part of the new dialog it had some talk about Nicholas the Traveler, I'm just wondering if he has some involvement with this supposed up-coming event? --Valandil D 14:50, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know if gathering any ingredients makes much sense. First of all, we can't get them all anyway (dried apples?), and second, the tea thing gets resolved in one of the dialogues, so apparently it gets made without the player's involvement. But I do think this is a preparation for something more in April. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 23:35, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't hurt to have whatever ingredients you CAN get just in case, I mean after all, if you find out you don't need them then just sell them off to the merch. --Valandil D 00:30, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, let's see if Nick collects seeds this week. :P They're easy to get, anyway, so I wouldn't bother getting them "just in case" before they're actually needed. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:56, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I updated with the dialogue you get after turning in all picnic items, and return to the eye. Kumu 23:17, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Collector
He collects stuff for Gwen's B-day List of items you can trade:
 * Sweets:
 * Pumpkin Cookie <he traded this one for a Sack of Random Junk with me, three times. The other items isnt he intrested in.
 * Fruitcake <nothing
 * Candy Corn <nothing
 * Peppermint CC <nothing
 * Wintergreen CC <nothing
 * Candy Apple <nothing
 * Green Rock candy <nothing
 * Blue <nothing
 * RED <nothing
 * Birthday Cupcake < when I traded this, he gave me a Paper Wrapped Parcel.


 * Food:
 * Mountain root
 * Drake Kabob < when I traded this, he gave me a Paper Wrapped Parcel.
 * Skalefin Soup < another sack
 * Fleshreaver Morsel < "That's not people food."
 * Blob of Ooze < "What a spectacularly disgusting choice. I think it's staring to smell."
 * Refined Jelly < "What a spectacularly disgusting choice. I think it's staring to smell."
 * Kraken Eye < "Do you think young ladies daydream about slurping down eyeballs at a picnic? Pass."
 * Iboga Petals < "I've heard these are poisonous. What are you trying to say here? PASS!"
 * Fibrous Mandragor Root < "In my opinion, roots are a seriously overrated food source in survival situations. They take forever to cook down to edible form, they're nearly flavorless, and bits of the stuff always get stuck in your teeth. Might as well eat bugs. PASS."


 * Candles
 * When you trade 3 honeycombs for 6 candles at necromancer Munne and you trade those with him, you get a Paper Wrapped Parcel.


 * Drinks
 * Hunter's Ale <sack
 * Elixer of valor <nothing
 * Aged dwarven ale < nothing
 * Flask of firewater < nothing
 * Spiked Eggnog < nothing
 * Vial of absinthe < nothing
 * Witch Brew < nothing
 * Aged hunter's ale < nothing
 * Shamrock Ale < Sack
 * Hard Apple Cider < yep, another Parcel

The drinks section dissapeared after giving him Cider + 3 hunter ales, the other ones are still there. Please make a page for all the new stuff. The most stuff which drops from the Sack of Random Junk can you give him back as food, however he refuses to take em(Fleshreaver Morsel/mountain root) Omanhunter 14:55, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't get him to spawn. =\ Docta Jenkins 08:54, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * You have to beat EotN and go through all his dialogues with Gwen at the HoM, then he'll be just outside of town in Ice Cliff Chasms. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 10:34, April 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * You don't have to complete EotN, no. I'm pretty you have to have completed Thackeray's Wintersday quests.  Some of my characters have only done Curse of the Nornbear and Against the Charr (easy to run for ZMissions), and he still appeared for all of them except the one that hadn't done the Wday quests.
 * Also, partying with someone who qualifies for the dialogue works too (just like partying with someone who's unlocked the Jingle Bear/Moa). Thackeray's appearance/non-appearance is based on the owner of the HoM, so it has to be the party leader, and they can't have progressed past the Hay Fever Tea dialogue (I think that's the one).  Thackeray will appear in Ice Cliff Chasms for any character who has watched all the dialogue.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 13:59, April 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, I've just seen the "must complete EotN" somewhere, and copied it. It might very well be the Wintersday stuff instead, since it's kind of the start of their relationship. I think you must get through the picnic dialogue, which is a couple instances after the tea one, before he appears as a collector. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 14:41, April 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Right, you have to get through all the dialogues, and you have to watch all of them completely (Thackeray doesn't have to leave, but the last line has to have been "spoken").
 * Something else that's been confusing people, to get candles from Munne, you have to talk to Thackeray in ICC and specifically ask him about the candles and where to find them.
 * Also, you have to take a couple steps into the HoM before he appears. A lot of people were reporting "no-shows" before they realized this, so it's really hard to piece the evidence together for his appearance criteria.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:04, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ish why do you ignore me when I pm you in game QQ am I too much of a troll for you? D: Docta Jenkins 20:08, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thackeray's garden
I wonder where the garden is that he made and talks about in his dialog when you ask him about the picnic. It is green and in an overlook in the mountains. He checks on it on the way to or from a mission. That sounds like the Charr Homelands more than the Far Shiverpeaks, but he says it is "near our homeland." I can't imagine a spot that is green in post searing Ascalon. Maybe the southern part of Grothmar Wardowns or Sacnoth Valley is the place.Bikeboy854 13:33, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * gwen's B-day is within a week, so we will know it then.Omanhunter 13:39, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe there is a little bit of green to the south-west in the Breech. I haven't went there to double check though. Now that I'm thinking about it, it might just be moss....Venom20 14:24, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * She wont go with him anyway, "She has better things to do". Poor LT. Omanhunter 14:28, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm obsessed with this, but Thackeray's garden is bothering me. I thought maybe Gwen's garden was really his, but of course Gwen says it is hers when you take her there, but there are a few things that make me think Anet is changing gears there. For one thing her monologue about the garden is way too optimistic compared to how she acts in the HoM, and I found that after you have given all the items that Thackeray will take, included the ones to get the sack of random junk, Gwen stops giving that monologue at the garden. Of course, I could be wrong, because that garden just doesn't quite fit the description of his garden in a mountain overlook. I did some searching in the southwest area of Grothmar Wardowns, the green area in the Breach, and even that green spot in the Great Northern Wall mission, but didn't see anything that would suggest a cultivated garden. I think it would be in EotN, though, so if it does exist, I suspect it will be along the edges of the explorable areas of the Charr Homeland. One last note of the thick-headedness of Thackeray: Once you give him all the things he needs his dialogue is that all he needs is the girl, even if she is STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.Bikeboy854 23:04, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * My thoughts were in EoTN as well, but the only real place I could think of that would suggest the description would be South of Longeye's Ledge in a remote area of Grothmar Wardowns or more likely Sacnoth Valley in one of the two places where you can tame the Raven. I'll join the hunt in the search for this place a bit later. --Valandil D 02:21, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Major Role
He seems to be also one the storyline characters in gw2, but they say he's gonna have a major important role --  Jorre 22225  18:22, April 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * He won't be, but a descendant of him will be. GW2 is 250 years ahead in time eh :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:26, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps from a union between him and Gwen? Bikeboy854 02:15, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Aarrgh! Images that cannot be un-seen! O_O RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 11:31, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Off all people, that you should say that.... Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 11:44, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Of all what people? I haven't had any for 8 months, of course that's all I'm thinking about! ;) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 11:56, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rose, Minors! Mind the pure and untouched minds of the Children. But I understand where you are going, but I meant that I saw you as the person least likely to say that, even considering the current condition of your mariage. When is he going to see you anyway? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 13:11, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * May 15th (if that volcano stays stfu >_<). XD And if those minors you speak of are truly "untouched," they'd have no clue what I was talking about, and if they do, it's not my problem. :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 13:21, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15 may? WTF? Why so late? Was the flight resceduled, or did he have to pay another ticket? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 13:28, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it was scheduled that way from the get to. He had to earn enough vacation hours, and now his work sent him to a military base in California for a 3-week installation project they've been working on for like 2 years, so that date was the earliest he could come after getting a full 2 weeks' worth of vacation. I'm just hoping that Katla doesn't blow up now. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:03, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Next Step?
Ok, so the birthday bash came and went... is this supposed to have more to it? --Alphastream 17:04, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I took Gwen out to Thackeray since he said all he needs is the girl now. I also there here around all the areas of the Charr homeland opening to trigger something to find the garden that Thackeray talks about, but came up with nothing. I was hoping there was something more, but have yet to find it. --Bikeboy854 15:00, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * After you've given him all 4 items for the picnic scavenger hunt, you have to go back into the HoM for the next (and currently last) Gwen-Thackeray dialogue (rule of thumb: all G-T dialogue takes place in the HoM). They'll be adding more to this story over the coming months (cf. GWW:Guild Wars Beyond).  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:11, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Too much
Should this article be split in two (a la Gwen) or should the dialogue be removed?

It's on the long end of the spectrum as it is, when we start adding the skills he uses, etc... A F K When Needed 16:02, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

New dialogue and location, War In Kryta link
I've added to discussions on the War In Kryta, but I thought I should add it here as well. After giving Thackeray all he wanted for Gwen's picnic, after listening to the final dialogue in the HoM, and having started the War In Kryta string, I went out to Ice Cliff Chasms to see if Thackeray was still there. The dialogue follows, after which I went to the Lion's Gate and found the second dialogue. The dialogue does not occur until you've given Thackeray all the picnic items.

Dialogue 1 in Ice Cliff.

Evennia: Hail Langmar, Captain of the Ebon Vangaurd!

Captain Langmar: Evennia of the Shining Blade. what brings you to the Eye of the North, so far from your warm, sandy Kryta?

Evennia: I won't waste time beating around the bush. I've come to ask for your help.

Evennia: The White Mantle's numbers may have dwindled, but they make up for it with increased brutality, while Princess Salma's support among the people grows even stronger.

Evennia: But now, the Mantle have taken to hiring thugs from the outlands and beyond to terrorize us, all done with the flimsy excuse of keeping order and peace. Each day brings new indignity and suffering to my people.

Evenia: The Shining Blade and the Ebon Vanguard have enjoyed a fruitful friendship before; please, Kryta beseeches you, aid us!

Gwen: The charr keep our hands full, Krytan. You think we'll abandon all that we've bled for and march down to Kryta, just to bail you out?

Evennia: The only think I expect girl, is that the Vanguard would express gratitude after Kryta took in so many Ascalonian refugees!

Captain Langmar: Gwen has a valid point, Evennia. Ascalon needs the Vanguard here in the Shiverpeaks. However, we have no love for the White Mantle... should we agree, what is Princess Salma prepared to do for Ascalon?

Evennia: Princess Salma has authorized me to reciprocate your offer. Should Ascalon's troops join us in taking back our country from these tyrants, then Kryta will assist in driving the charr from your lands for good.

Captain Langmar: Very well. I accept on behalf o fht eEbon Vanguard, but we're not done. King Adelbern must also approve.

Evennia: Kryta is drowning! She needs your help now, not after months of dithering with Adelbern. You know he distrusts all things Krytan! I was hoping you would be more reasonable.

Captain Langmar: Ascalon can no longer afford to pick and choose her allies as the charr continue devastating all we hold dear. Remind King Adelbern of our need for allies in the coming conflicts and he will do the right thing.

Evennia: Please. I implore you, do not force such a delay. Is there no way I could convince you to help us sooner?

Captain Langmar: I could, perhaps, send a single elite Ebon Vanguard unit to train your peasants to fight and conduct critical missions throughout the region while you garner the King's blessing for a larger force.

Evennia: I'm still skeptical, but if that's the nature of your support, so be it. These "elite" better be good...

Evennia: If you supply me with rations for the trip, I could leave immediately for Ascalon City and gain audience with King Adelbern. Princess Salma plans to retake control of Lion's Arch within the fortnight. I hope your men can be there by then.

Captain Langmar: More than enough time to prepare and the travel is instant by the Asura Gate.

Captain Langmar: Well, that's settled. Now, who's going to assist the Krytans against the White Mantle?

Lieutentant Thackeray: I'll go.

Gwen: WHAT?! Captain, please, I really must insist that this is a bad idea.

Lieutentant Thackeray: The Ebon Falcons will go to Kryta. We can train the Shining Blade recruites on hit-and-run tactics, ambush techniques, tracking... tricks that we've picked up fighting the charr over the years.

Gwen: Captain, surely we need Keir-uh, Lieutentant Thackeray here in the Shiverpeaks. His unit is the cornerstone of our operation!

Captian Langmar: Are you sure about this, Lieutentant?

Lieutentant Thackeray: Absolutely. I wouldn't mind a little sun. Besides... there's nothing to keep me here. It's been quieter lately and I'm a soldier. I go where the fight is.

Gwen: The fight is here! The Ebon Falcons are needed here! Why not send Weststar, or Nye's unit?

Captain Langmar: You are right Gwen, they are our most successful... and I promised Evennia our elite. We can afford to pull a single company from patrol rotation, even if it is the Ebon Falcons.

Gwen: Captain Langmar, I must protest. If you're not going to trust my judgment on these matters -

Captian Langmar: On the contrary, Gwen. I trust your judgment implicitly, which is why I'm leaving you here in commmand of the Vanguard while I travel to Kryta with Lieutentant Thackeray's men.

Gwen: Wh-what?! But...

Captian Langmar: I'm the best at training people with no military background and the Falcons would be far more valuable conducting special operations than training peasants.

Captain Langmar: Besides, I want Salma to see that I am serious about this alliance. Take good care of my Vanguard while I'm gone, Gwen. You know what to do.

Gwen: Lieutentant... Keiran...

Lieutentant Thackeray: Yes? Something you want to say to me, Gwen?

Gwen: Uhh... no. No.

Lieutentant Thackeray: I didn't think so. Goodbye, Gwen.

Dialogue 2 after above, in Lion's Gate.

Captain Langmar: Captain Langmar and Lieutentant Thackeray, at your service.

Princess Salma: Welcome to Kryta, dear friends. We are overjoyed with the Evon Vanguard's assistance. Was it just the two of you then?

Lieutentant Thackeray: My unit awaits outside, eager to find the action.

Councilor Vaylor: Ascalon sends a single unit and calls that aid? Where is Evennia? Obviously she failed to clarify Kryta's needs, your Highness.

Captain Langmar: Ascalon has sent no one, yet. As I told Evennia, it is not the Ebon Vanguard's place to formalize such an alliance. She now travels to Ascalon to seek audience with King Adelbern. He decides where to send Ascalon's troops.

Princess Salma: And yet here you are, Captain. Aren't you and your men Ascalon's troops?

Captain Langmar: Correct, Highness! We are on leave.

Captain Langmar: In conflicts such as these, speed is paramount. We are here as consultants to give Ascalon enough time to carefully consider her involvement.

Captain Langmar: I have faith that Evennia's strong persuasive skills and the promise of support in our war against the charr will sway King Adelbern's mind in Kryta's favor.

Captain Langmar: Until Ascalon joins you in full force, you have our knowledge at your disposal.

Princess Salma: I see. Then we accept your council for now, but hope King Adelbern doesn't take too long to commit to alliance. Kryta will need more than this to win the war against her oppressors.

Captain Langmar: I share the sentiment, Highness. I'd hate to place my faith in error. Just being here is a risk.

Princess Salma: I understand completely, Captain. Kryta thanks you for any assistance you might give her.

HeadKays 15:28, June 10, 2010 (UTC)