User talk:Dirael/MTG group

May I change the color of the user box? I'm more of a Blue mage. Zulu Inuoe 01:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure! Actually, that's a pretty good idea, changing it to the color your prefer. I prefer blue myself. --Shadowcrest 01:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If we're doing that then I think we need something more flamboyant than a little thin line. Zulu Inuoe 01:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to help out :P --Shadowcrest  01:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm currently procrastinating some programming homework I'm supposed to turn in today by 12:00 AM, so you understand how perfect this is! Zulu Inuoe 01:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm currently procrastinating the Algebra 2 homework I've blown off the past week or so. Slightly improved. --Shadowcrest 01:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Shadow, can I remake your Guildwikian magic card?--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]Giga †ħŕášħ 01:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course. --Shadowcrest 01:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just keep the 13/37 part plz ;) --Shadowcrest  01:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL you ppl are very strange :P. I haven't played magic in years... Aggro [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Sk8  02:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I know how to play, but have zero strategy knowledge. I have exactly four magic cards in my possession and no friends who play, so I can't exactly play. All the same, I guess I'll join.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  [Talk]  23:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Mana Symbol
That alrigh? I'm sure somebody is going to complain about its fair use, but it's on the internet and extremely easily accesible, and we are making no gain at all with it. Zulu Inuoe 01:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. Hey, with your's and Giga's contributions, the box might actually look nice! ;) --Shadowcrest  01:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you guys should use the high-res version for that picture... --Gimmethegepgun 01:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to find it...--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]Giga †ħŕášħ 01:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking of making 5 different cards, one for each color to correspond with the userbox.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]Giga †ħŕášħ 01:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That'd be pretty cool, tbh. --Shadowcrest 01:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Found em --Gimmethegepgun 01:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'm member of the group, but I only just found out about it! Hehe.
 * Oh, but here's a question to you all... any of you have Magic Workstation? It's a program for playing M:tG online, mostly used for decktesting. If any of you guys have it, or get it, drop me a line, I'd love to play a game with you. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  01:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * @ Giga, he (she?) doesn't have all of them uploaded. (unfortunately) --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 01:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have it yet, but I found the high res icons finally, so I'm nearly done.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Pink">Giga <font color="Black">†ħŕášħ 02:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Leet! Where are they? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 02:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Still on my comp, but the link to high res icons is --[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Pink">Giga <font color="Black">†ħŕášħ 02:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Or here --Gimmethegepgun 02:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Funny, I was going to start Magic Online sometime this week. I was purely a physical player and never went into Online. Zulu Inuoe 02:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't like M:tG Online purely because you've got to buy cards online, I can't afford to build up two collections like that. Workstation's not nearly as simple to use, I don't think, but hey, it's free, and the card library is every card ever printed, so I like using it. Now, if I could get rolling in M:tG Online for free, now, that's a totally different story... --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  02:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I thought you meant it was an attachment for online. Link me and I'll build up a few decks there in a day or two. Zulu Inuoe 02:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Magic Workstation
 * The free version is the Evaluation Version, only difference between it and the pay version is card images (not important), and a few solo testing options (also not important). Oh, and a "do you want to upgrade?" massage when you start it.
 * I've got my current Standard Monoblue Faerie Aggro/Control deck in there, as well as, like, five decks I possibly plan to make someday. Monoblack Faerie Rogue Beatdown anyone? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been using Magic Workstation for about two years now. This is so pro. :D [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Drop me a line if you want a game, dude. Hey, if you've got XFire, send me a message, even better. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

There done
I will be uploading them and creating more userboxes, prepare for RC spam.--<font color="Pink">Giga <font color="Black">†ħŕášħ 02:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Felix's Deck
I guess I'll be the first one to post my actual deck. This consists of the majority of the physical cards that I still actually own; the rest, I gave to my brother. I first posted this in an unchanged MWS format, but I've changed it to the same format as the other decks posted here, for the sake of uniformity.

Crazy Blue Lock Deck
 * Lands


 * 15 [A] Island (2)
 * 4 [TSP] Terramorphic Expanse
 * 1 [UNH] Plains
 * Creatures


 * 1 [JU] Wonder
 * 2 [TSP] Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
 * 4 [VI] Man-o'-War
 * Spells

It's T1 and T1.5 legal. The point of the deck is to lock down the opponent by imprinting instants to Scepters; Orim's Chant is ideal if I have the Plains out, because a kicker cost may be paid when the card is played through Sceptre. Otherwise, I can imprint Counterspell or Boomerang which, combined with Arcane Laboratory, will provide a complete lockdown. Once I have the opponent's options locked, all I have to do is wait to draw Teferi, which will then beat my opponent to death. If Wonder's in the graveyard, so much the better. It's a fairly dependable deck, but more importantly, it's a very fun deck. 03:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 4 [MR] Isochron Scepter
 * 4 [AL] Force of Will
 * 3 [US] Arcane Laboratory
 * 4 [TE] Counterspell
 * 1 [RAV] Remand
 * 1 [MI] Enlightened Tutor
 * 1 [6E] Mystical Tutor
 * 3 [PS] Orim's Chant
 * 4 [CH] Boomerang
 * 4 [9E] Mana Leak
 * 4 [IA] Brainstorm


 * Nice... I don't have many opponents for Extended or Legacy, so nearly all of my decks are Standard-format. But I've had an old Elf deck since I started playing... currently it's an EDH deck (with Eldamri as the general), but I might remake it sometime. I have an Extended-legal one on Workstation I believe.
 * Hmm, let me post up my current Standard deck... won a few tournaments with it so far, small stack of FNM promo cards thanks to it... --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  05:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Jio's deck
Here's my current Standard deck... I'm primarily a Green player, but hell, Blue is so much fun...

...this is actually a really strong metagame deck at the moment; I generally don't follow the metagame decks, I prefer to play rogue, but in my defense, I originally built this before it became one of the big archetypes. :D

>> Monoblue Fae Aggro/Control
 * Creatures:


 * x4 Cloud Sprite
 * x4 Spellstutter Sprite
 * x4 Pestermite
 * x4 Scion of Oona
 * x4 Vendillion Clique (don't actually have these yet)
 * x3 Mistbind Clique


 * Other Spells:


 * x4 Ponder
 * x3 Boomerang
 * x3 Faerie Trickery
 * x3 Psionic Blast


 * Lands:


 * x4 Desert
 * x1 Pendelhaven
 * x3 Faerie Conclave
 * x16 Island

It's a strong control deck in the format; Plenty of counterspells (the Spellstutter Sprites counter spells when they come into play), bounce, tap effects, and best of all, nearly every creature in the deck has Flash, so you never have to commit on your own turn. I've won so many games even when the opponent had the advantage, simply because I can throw down threats when they're tapped out, and get rid of their threats temporarily or permanently, when they least expect it. --<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  05:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It amazes me how honestly nub I am at this :P
 * Does anyone else think Rimefeather Owl is OP? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest  20:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * How so? By OP you mean overpowered, right? Zulu Inuoe 22:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. While I'm asking questions (questions ftw), can someone explain mana burn to me? I read the manual but it didn't make much sense to me, I usually understand things better when people say them. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 22:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have any unspent mana at the end of your turn it burns you for 1 per mana. Hence mana burn.  Lets say I tapped Simic Growth Chamber (+G&U) and a Forest (+G), then I played Thrive (XG) and payed 1 for X.  I have one floating blue mana which I have not spent, at the end of my turn it burns me for one, and then goes away.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Pink">Giga <font color="Black">†ħŕášħ  22:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If I put down an island card, is it in my "mana pool"? Or is my mana pool empty until I tap the island? Do only lands you tap and then don't use cause mana burn? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 23:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Two matters of clarification; first, mana burn occurs after every phase, not turn. In other words, you'll take mana burn if you tap an island and then declare attackers without spending it. Since mana abilities can be activated at any time, you should never "pre-tap."


 * Second, your mana pool consists of mana generated by any card. A land card is not mana; it's land. Originally, the land cards actually said (T): Gain one mana. If you tap an Island for one blue mana, your mana pool consists of one blue mana until it's spent. If you tap two Forests and a Birds of Paradise for two green mana and one red, then your mana pool is GG R. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * In response to the Rimefeather Owl note... the Owl is really big if you get it out, yes, but it's much to expensive for most decks. By the time you get it out, your opponent has probably won, or you're already winning. Or he gets hit by a kill spell, and you lose a lot of card advantage; they just spent somewhere around two mana to kill a guy that cost you at least seven (more if you used his ability).
 * You want to see something overpowered? This guy. He doesn't seem very big, he starts off pitifully small, but currently, every deck with green in it is using this guy in Standard. The scariest cards are often ones that look harmless; gigantic cards are flashy and look really powerful, but often, the effort to play them can leave you behind. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ack! Hans, run! It's the Tarmogoyf! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ach, you're doing it wrong!
 * ...you know what would be funny? a Tarmogoyf equipped with Skullclamp and Umezawa's Jitte, with a Tarfire and a creature in the graveyard. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  04:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I Want to learn how to play
^_^ Lost-Blue 23:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So do I, tbh :P
 * I learned the little I know from a friend IRL, and I'm extremely nub at the game in general. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 23:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Go to the official website it has a downloadable rule book somewhere.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Pink">Giga <font color="Black">†ħŕášħ  23:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not hard to learn the basics. It's not epic failing that's hard.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) Lost-Blue 23:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Blue, download the Magic Workshop, add me to some kind of messenger and I'll teach you to play via there. Zulu Inuoe 23:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * How? xD Lost-Blue 23:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have MSN, AIM, or Yahoo? If so add me as this_is_total_bullshit@hotmail.com (MSN), zulu604 (AIM), or zulu607 (Yahoo). The link to Magic Workstation is now on the article page. Zulu Inuoe 23:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I do but I have to pay for the Magic Workshop :( Lost-Blue 23:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, download the "Evalutation" version. Zulu Inuoe 23:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol its not like I canh ave anyoneto play with and it costs money to buy the cards xD Vp of Stuco and PR of NJHS and got voted #1 person in 7th grade last year play anerdy game??!? yea right xD j/k j/k j/k lol im the nerdy prep guy O.o Lost-Blue 23:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ...what? Zulu Inuoe 23:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll translate. "Lol, I'll have no one to play with (probably IRL). It costs money to buy the cards (it doesn't, btw). Some people got voted #1 in the 7th grade last year, and lolz why would I play a nerdy game? Lol, jk, I'm a nerd." --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 23:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ty and it was me that got voted #1 personz out of the whole 7th grader o.o go me! :D and how does it not cost money? o.O Lost-Blue 23:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Gz on bein #1. You download the library that has most of the cards. A different system of online play requires you to buy your cards, but this one doesn't. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 23:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean play in rlf and my brother used to play Magic and he says this workshop thing has the worlds gehttoist cards xD Lost-Blue 23:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * When you download the database the cards are the same as they are in real life. Zulu Inuoe 23:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * But yes, you'd need to buy them IRL, unless you got someone to give them to you. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 23:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Or you can be a purely online player, or play Mental Magic, which I always loved. Zulu Inuoe 23:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * :::::::::::::::::: Theres no way these are real Magic Cards.... +1 to quarry... Rabid sheep.... +1 to tower.... wth did I downlaod o.o Lost-Blue 23:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Go to Here and download where it says "MTG Card Database". Zulu Inuoe 00:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * k now what and I'm working on inequalities meh :( 75+.25m less then or equal to 50+.50m? lol j/k unless you want to help adavanced classes ftl, staright A's consatnstly ftw Lost-Blue 00:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Add me to some messenger so we don't keep spamming the page haha. Zulu Inuoe 00:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you insist Lost-Blue 00:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

(reset indent) You know, I always wondered what those goofy cards that came with the program were. They definitely aren't valid for any game I've ever played. 02:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Workstation works for the WoW TCG and a few others as well, so perhaps they're leftovers from other games. I believe you can make your own cards in there as well, perhaps those are just to, well, get you started or something? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  03:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

possible deck
>> Faeries pwnd j00
 * Artifact:


 * Crawlspace x2
 * Meekstone x3
 * Simic Signet x4


 * Blue Creatures:


 * Cloud of Faeries x4
 * Sea Sprite x4
 * Silkwing Scout x1
 * Sprite Noble x3
 * Surveilling Sprite x1
 * Thornwind Faeries x3
 * Weatherseed Faeries x4
 * Wind Dancer x1


 * Green Creatures:


 * Faerie Noble x4
 * Fog x1
 * Magnify x2
 * Scryb Ranger x1
 * Scryb Sprites x3
 * Uktabi Faerie x1
 * Willow Priestess x4


 * Lands:


 * Simic Growth Chamber x4
 * Faerie Conclave x1
 * Novijen, Heart of Progress x2
 * Skyshroud x1


 * Possible Substitutions:


 * Wall of Ice x1..4
 * Scion of Oona x1..2
 * Gaea's Anthem x1 (if I can get ahold of one)
 * So, anything? Thoughts? Comments? Rofls at me for using faeries? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest  22:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You need more lands. You have no islands or forests.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Pink">Giga <font color="Black">†ħŕášħ  00:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Simic Signet gives GU for 1, Faerie Conclave gives 1, Novijen gives 1, Simic Growth Chamber gives GU, and Shyshroud can give 1,G, or U. Do I really need more? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 00:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not so much that you can generate mana, but you need to up your chances of actualy getting mana, especialy the color you need. You have 8 lands out of 60 cards, odds are you aren't going to have mana. Zulu Inuoe 01:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's true. Ok, I could put some in. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="#FF6699">Shadowcrest 01:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * An admited good standard is 1/3, so 20 lands in a 60 card deck, you should go more than that though, like 23ish. Zulu Inuoe 01:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Current standard for any control deck is at least 23, I run 24, some people run even more. Less then 23 should be for aggro decks with really low mana costs, less then 20 lands should be reserved for decks that strangely needs to not run into lands consistently.
 * Scion of Oona is a lot better then Faerie Noble, because A., you can play the Scion anytime; B., the Scion pumps up dudes all the time, instead of half the time; and C., the Scion also gives out shroud. Just a note. :D
 * Looks nice aside from that, you should really build it in Workstation and give it a test. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  05:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, with only 8 lands, your chances of getting one in your starting hand is... I just realized I lent my TI-84 to my sister, so I can't actually tell you what it is right now. Still, it's quite low. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Make that four lands. You need another land in play for the Simic Growth Chamber to be useful, otherwise it'll just bounce itself whenever you play it (due to a lack of other targets). By the time you play your first spell, a deck using nothing but Squires will have beaten you. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  21:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * TI-84 lawl u r epic nub @ math n u r s2ped. That was me, logged out for some reason. Zulu Inuoe 00:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That was uncalled for. D:
 * I didn't actually look at the lands, I just counted them. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 00:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Back to the deck. I'm going to go from the basics (land count) to some more advanced stuff.


 * Scryb Ranger is 1337. Run four.
 * Scryb Sprite is broken. Also run four.
 * Spellstutter Sprites are really powerful when you're running so many cheap Fae, so use some of those too. (four preferably.)
 * And you're already running four Cloud of Faeries. Free flying creatures sell themselves.
 * I really don't feel like going into detail on all the other ones, just getting some basics out there. You'll probably find that you don't need so many creatures; there's a ton of nice blue and green noncreature spells to dig through, Gaea's Anthem is borderline great/unneeded. But more ideas like that should fit in as well. With such an army of cheap faeries, you can build up a fleet uber-fast, and spend the rest of the game countering spells and beating face in the air... never underestimate a single counterspell. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^