Talk:Ruins of Morah (mission)

Hench and Heroes tactics
If no one objects, I propose to remove the part where the guide says "Although this method is fairly straightforward with a human party, this will prove very difficult to achieve with henchmen and heroes, as they will periodically move toward enemies or stay in one position after killing Varesh. This method is not recommended when using a full party of heroes and/or henchmen." This is absurd. I have killed varesh and gotten masters using this method with only henchies and heroes every single time. Whoever wrote that has obviously never thought of flagging your team near the entrance. You can then easily pull each of the mobs from there using a long bow. In fact the mission is way easier with just heroes and henchies. Average time it takes is 7 minutes. Ill check back when someone thinks its appropriate to remove.--Grimeyes 05:20, 6 April 2007 (CDT)

Since no one objects, I made the appropriate changes to the page.--Grimeyes 14:18, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

masters
Got it using my own ridiculous NecroTank build, which kept her bleeding with sword attack, launced flesh golems and kept "Shields Up" going when Morgahn wasn't. Also used Olias w/shivers, spoil victor and Winter, plus three healers, Cynn and Odurra. Pretty easy when you follow tips here, unlike with the doofus group I tried it with at first. --208.58.3.202 22:00, 1 April 2007 (CDT)

you definitely get the masters if you do it in under 5 minutes, I am guessing the cut off is 10 minutes though. --Lemming64 18:53, 2 November 2006 (CST)

I received Master's when I took 7:57. Gwm 23:13, 3 November 2006 (CST)
 * I got masters at 7:52. 2 man team with heros.   I went with knockdowns hammer and flail and did nothing but attack her while the others fought the minions.  Keeping weakness on her helps alot too.  Was slow but still managed masters without actually going for it. --SK [[Image:Warrior-icon-small.png]]  19:17, 16 November 2006 (CST)

I beat it in under 4mins. Gaze now works on her. --The King Tarosian 00:05, 8 November 2006 (CST)

There is an even easier way than the one written in here. Lightblade 13:58, 8 November 2006 (CST)

I got the expert's reward for completing the mission in just over 10:30. -- Gordon Ecker 04:37, 10 November 2006 (CST)
 * I just got Experts for 10:23 - I'm willing to bet the cutoff for standard is 12 minutes. --Dragonaxe 01:45, 28 November 2006 (CST)

7:53 and Expert :-) Did it solo with Dunkoro(Healer), a standard Morgahn, Margrid (Apply Poison, Distracting and Savage Shot), Devona, Aidan, Mhenlo and Khim........... Good Luck!tapps75 17:25, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Wow, this has become a place for people to brag.

3:53, with a toucher, wooo. --Silk Weaker 09:34, 4 December 2006 (CST)

02:52 simply placed SV on Varesh and watched as her health go down.Glass 09:51, 9 December 2006 (CST)
 * What is "SV"?
 * Sympathetic Visage &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] (talk|contribs) 19:47, 9 December 2006 (CST)
 * I think he meant Spoil Victor. That makes more sense. 84.249.19.118 17:22, 10 December 2006 (CST)
 * Oi, I looked through the entire skill lists looking for ones that could be abbreviated SV and I totally missed that one. I didn't think Sympathetic Visage made any sense...  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] (talk|contribs)

Earth Vortex does knockdown, atleast when I tried to use Res Sigs.. --Angelo

Another hint especially for rangers: Arms of Insanity set up Quickening Zephyr. So with a silencing bow and broad head arrow you can keep her dazed the whole fight. (I´d suggest combination with poison arrow for constant high degen...) This disables Call of Sacrifice. With only ranged heroes/henchmen all pinned at the top of the starting point with the flag you only have to deal with 2 groups of demons and Varesh herself. Shouldn´t be too much of a problem. Good luck. tapps75 06:44, 14 December 2006 (CST)
 * I agree, rangers really own this mission, in any form. As mentioned above touch rangers do especially well here too - keeps pressure on Varesh. Bumrushing her second form is completely doable with a touch ranger + command/defense tactics paragon + spoil victor necro. 4:09 completion - gave up on any of the tactics listed and just decided to try and hit Varesh. (0 Lightbringer rank too). -Scyfer 21:15, 29 December 2006 (CST)

New record time using my 55 and SV, along with a Rt guildie - 2:02. Best time with all henchie/hero group 2:28.Widow of Darkness 16:15, 7 January 2007 (CST)

Did it in 4:04 this morning at about 0530, so my build was kind of wacky. My Dervish used HoHF and ZR with a couple of attack skills; brought Arcane Echo, Echo and Lightbringer's Signet (rank 3) for kicks. Koss was a knockdown hammer warrior w/Shield's Up and WY!, Morgahn used Incoming! and WY!, Olias brought lots of Curses, OoP, and a couple of support Blood skills. Don't have SV or OoV unlocked for him yet. Rounded out the party with Devona, Odurra and the two healers. No one dipped under about 40% health at all ... This was my 4th attempt, and I have to say that WY!, Shield's Up and, to a lesser extent, Incoming! all made a world of difference. It also helped that Koss kept Varesh on her back pretty consistently. In the first part, kill the clerics first, then Varesh. When she respawns as the Commander, ignore everything else and focus on her.Bloodarrow 12:33, 16 January 2007 (CST)
 * Oh my God. I love you. Whoever put the 'tip' on this article for the dervs was lucky. I'd been trying that way for the past 4 or 5 times. Read this discussion, tried your tactic, and did it in 6 minutes on the first try. Thanks for posting your tactic :x --Rei 12:38, 24 January 2007 (CST)
 * I have to second this build of yours. I used my warrior instead of a dervish. I had Olias use Order of Vampire instead of Order of Pain. Got Masters in 4:29. Works like a charm.

Did it in 9 min, I'm a command para, using heros/henchmen of mm, sf nuker, fighter and healer, killed everything in vision, the boss is fighting hopelessly all alone and can't even move out of the angry shambles lol.

Good build and easy way to master this with hero/npcs only is: para, prot, tank as heroes and both monks, fire nuker, mesmer as npcs. Needs bit modification if own char deals too less dmg. Set a flag point in front of the entrance after deafeating Varesh 1st time.

Many thanks to whoever posted Alternative two, it made this mission a joke... Used me and my two ele heroes (all SF), Morgan as a Chanter, and Herta/Sogolon/Mehnlo/Khim as Henchies. We made 5:37 on the first try with 1 death total. =) --Zerris (talk) 02:28, 8 March 2007 (CST)
 * Indeed, I didn't want to waste time and payed 3k to get master, the guy did it in 3:22 showing me the trick. I and the other like me did not use 1 single skill. So 6 man(1man,3hero,2hence) can do it in 3min and 22 seconds. --Vezz

3:37 with monk and mesmer players accompanied by a necro hero. Waiting for hard mode... - 91.153.22.139 19:50, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

An other real easy tactic is to basically divide and conquer. 2 Monks, 1 Ranger, 1 Morgahn, 4 tanks. No real specific buils are needed, apart from interrupt/pin down for the ranger. First part is easy - take out the margonite healers while the ranger keeps Varesh pinned down, and kill her after that. In the second part, two tanks keep the mobs happy, two hack away at Varesh. The "mob group" should get the most healer attention seeing Varesh doesn't do a lot of damage in that stage. Get the ranger to interrupt the necro beasts to prevent those annoying minions. This is probably the easiest tactic to explain and execute, as I've noticed. Either that, or people just really suck at GW a lot. (Mission time: 6:21, by the way) - 81.70.50.145 18:45, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

Expert's Reward
I just got Expert with 11:02 I'm changing it to 12:00 till someone says otherwise  =/  -  Entice789  (Talk | Contributions) 21:01, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Dervish Tip
I'm not sure how that skill set is going to work for the Dervish, for one thing, you need to use some Earth damage skill or scythe for Ebon Dust Aura to work, and if you do that you are sacrificing one persons ability to take advantage of OoP. I'd rather change it to Enfeeble Varesh instead of blinding her and change Ebon Dust Aura to some form or something. -Alperuzi 15:21, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Defensive Skills

 * Whichever method you choose, it is helpful to bring multiple uses of "Shields Up!". As most of Varesh's minions, including Varesh herself, deal ranged piercing-type damage, Shields Up! will make you virtually immune to damage from attacks. Aegis is similarly helpful, as is Bladeturn Refrain.

Shields Up! and Aegis I have used and they work wonders, but why is Bladeturn Refrain mentioned in the article? It states that most of the mobs cause piercing damage, so it will be next to useless (Bladeturn is vs slashing). Anyone feel in the mood to stick up for this skill, or shall I remove it? RossMM 13:24, 18 February 2007 (CST)
 * I removed it. RossMM 18:54, 27 February 2007 (CST)

55
An experienced monk with a tweaked 55 build and a ss and sv hero and another hero with BiP or Blood Ritual can easily get masters. I just got run by one of em.--IcyShaker 02:05, 10 March 2007 (CST)

Morgahn Charges!
Is this a glitch? when you trigger Varesh's dialogue, General Morgahn charges to attack even if you flagged him. You must flag him after he starts moving to keep him away from Varesh. Glitch...or...intended? Snow Phoenix