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Rare mini pricecheck please!
If anyone knows the recent going prices for the purple ultra-rare minis, I'd really like to know. Heard that Grawl was about 100+20 - 100+35. No clue on the other three or if this one is correct... Anyone know? Thx. RoseOfKali 19:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, pricecheck all of these if you can.

If you have a different price than one that's listed, please post your in addition, do not remove the previous. Add your source if you can, like did you see it for sale or just heard a pc or saw someone buying. All undedicated please. Thx much. RoseOfKali 19:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Greased Lightning - 1000e pc
 * Polar Bear - 1500-1750e pc
 * Vizu - 450e pc
 * Kanaxai - $5,000 USD on ebay... O_O
 * Ghostly Hero - 1100e for sale... 1500e pc... 1000-1750e pc
 * Shiro'ken Assassin - 800e for sale... 650e pc
 * Zhed Shadowhoof
 * Island Guardian
 * Panda
 * Grawl - 100k+19e bought
 * Longhair Yeti - 130e pc, 150e pc, 180e offer
 * Naga Raincaller - 130e pc, 220e for sale
 * Oni - 200e for sale, 250e pc, 100k+70e (90e) for sale ded


 * Don't pin me on it, but I think the prices for naga, oni and yeti are way to low. I think the naga is around ten times as much, but I am not sure. I have neaver seen a polar bear being sold, but I don't do things on e-bay. The rest of the mini's are bound to be very expansive, count on price around 500e - 1200 e.

1 tip though. Go and stand in Kamadan america 1 for a while and ask ppl for prices on these mini's. you'r bound to get some responces. Say so if the things i say here are mad ravings, so i can get my brain straigt. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 11:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I already knew about Kamadan, but I don't feel like wasting time there. Anything up in the list that says "for sale" are prices that I have seen people selling them for, so your price estimate for Naga is either really really wrong, or the seller I saw was an idiot.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 20:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I wouldn't even conceive the idea of buying a mini on Ebay, the Kanaxai bit was just something I find hilarious. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 20:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked and asked around a bit. Greased Lightning 1000e; Ghostly Hero 1000e-1750e; Polar Bear 1500e-1750e. Hope it help. I can't even imagine having more then half a stack of ectos @_@ &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 13:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks... O_O *realizes she needs to start ecto farming like there's no tomorrow* RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 17:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I asked to be told if my ravings were mad. And they are! (YAY!) But I only have memories of Naga's and stuff being so expensive. And i was kinda right about the rest of the mini's XD Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 10:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

please see...
Talk:Necromancer Tyrian armor/Male - I did a random search for my username in mainspace and found your comment in the stub tag on that article. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 01:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Necromancer armor galleries
Please see User:Dr ishmael/Sandbox - I changed the template to set a fixed height, instead of a fixed width, for the images, so those galleries will look just fine in the template now. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 14:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed height? Sounds familar... ;-P --◄mendel► 14:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * "INAFR!" ? ^^ --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Ishmael. I didn't even think about that.  And just to think, I was the one who "lobbied" for fixed height in the profession armor reference pages, like Necromancer armor, etc.  I think I'm getting dumber since I finished college...  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 23:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...
"...I think I'm gonna go plant a bomb in D.C. and go out with a "bang" if nothing else... :(" --> I suggest taking that off your page before the government sees it and marks you as a terrorist.. Mitch Spiritslayer 18:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Too late. ;)--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]ìğá†ħŕášħ  18:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * She did at least acknowledge it wasn't a real threat, eh? :P [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 18:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah... But can you blame me? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 23:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Necromancer armor
Hello, I have a question about the male necromancer elite scars armor. What would you consider a "complete" gallery for that? The scars don't dye(the speedo doesn't either) and they look different on different skin tones. Thanks. Wanmoke 20:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC) Wanmoke


 * Well, actually, they don't look different on different skin tones at all. They are black, and so they're easy to see on light skin, and hard to see on dark, that's all.  It's kind of like the Istani/Sunspear armors that have a shaded skin area that you can only see on light skin.  I would suggest doing that gallery on a light-skinned character, and noting that the armor does not dye at all, and that the black scars do not stand out as much on dark skin as they do on light.  As far as colorables go, you can either ask Ishmael to modify the standard armor template to allow a non-colorable gallery (kind of a far fetch, since this is the only set in the whole game that does not dye), or you can just take the code straight and modify the colorables area to simply say that this armor set cannot be dyed.  Another simple solution would be to just use the standard template and upload the undyed images as dyed too, and including a note in the colorable section (check the template on which note # it is, I can't remember) saying that this armor set cannot be dyed, and say "any color" for the color field.  Also, if you really want to, you can use a dark skinned character in the colorables section, and say something like "this armor set cannot be dyed at all, but is very distinct on light skin, and blends in with dark skin."  If you need help with the code, let me know.  With exceptions like this one, the rule of thumb is just use common sense, and there usually isn't a "best" solution.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 20:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright. Only problem is all my male necromancers are dark skinned.  >.<  Thanks for the quick reply thought.  Wanmoke 21:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, Wan's a guildie of mine, and I recommended he ask you about this. You're right, I could of course edit the template to allow an optional dyed section, but you're also right that this is the only armor where it would be used.  I like your suggestion of having images on light vs. dark skin, although we'd have to suffer with the current light-skinned images for now.  I have a light-skinned necro, but he's Canthan and I'd have to run him down to the Grotto to get the armor.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Small world. :) I agree that the best way would probably be the dual skin tone set. We've suffered with the current gallery for long enough, a little longer won't make any difference.  I'd offer to run you to Grotto, but I'm not much of a runner, I mostly play casters. :P Anyway, you can have Wan do the 3 "colorable" shots on dark skin to show the "blending in" effect, and then get your pale necro to do the overview and component once you get it, since the scars are almost impossible do discern on really dark skin.  I think that would be the best way to go, and you don't have to mess with the template.  This follows the same reasoning as when I created dark-skinned mules to do the Nightfall Necromancer headgear screenshots - you can only see them on dark.  Colorables note: "Dye has no effect on any part of this armor set.  The black scars will blend in with darker skin tones." (or something like that, you're good with writing notes.) If you want to elaborate on the dyes, you can say that it will ACCEPT dyes, but it will have no visual effect.  I've tried dye-previewing this on my female's male mule, and I could preview every piece, but there was no color change, as you already know. Good luck. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 06:49, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ishy: If you want, I could help you some time to get to Grotto. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  14:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the offer, but we're good now, except for crafting materials. Wan has access to a friend's account who doesn't play anymore, and he had a pale male necro at Droknar's, which we took through the missions over to the Grotto last night.  If you've got any wood, dust, or feathers you'd like to give away, though, we'd be happy to take them. :D  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Get online <3 --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  15:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * 250 50  20  Catch me if you can. ;) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 17:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I see you online, but you're away. Now I know why; you're spending all your time on here.  ^_^  I'd really appreciate those mats if you can spare them. Wanmoke 19:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Quote
"There are few if not no hackers that are not out to destroy the world."

Let's simplify that to "There are no hackers that are not out to destroy the world."

That means as much as "Every hacker is out to destroy the world", because there isn't one that isn't, so all must be.

Undo the simplification, and it means "All but a few hackers are out to destroy the world".

This doesn't summarize as "hackers are virtually harmless". --◄mendel► 22:30, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly. He was trying to say that most hackers are virtually harmless, which makes the triple negative even funnier.  Thanks for the exhaustive analysis, though. :) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 02:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * White Hats are quite nice people actually. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh?! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh...no. I was talking about so-called "White Hat hackers". Now you've ruined my reference. :\ [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

New mesmer pictures
Mesmer Elite Elegant armor/Female, Mesmer Elite Noble armor/Female. Do they get the "Rose the Armor Queen" seal of approval? ^_~ &mdash;Dr Ishmael  23:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you uploaded the new "back" over the "profile" in colorable Elite Noble, but otherwise, sealed by Rose the Armor Queen. ;) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 01:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Wandering Eye
Ritualist_Cane? If not; fairly sure I saw it as a Rit Wand... Been checking some, this is the closest I could find. --- -- (s)talkpage  17:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I did look at that, and it's close, but not it. I guess we can say "similar to a Ritualist Cane." I actually looked through All wand, staff, and focus skins, and couldn't find a match.  Some Ritualist items do not have a picture, and that's where our target might be hiding, but it does look more like a Ritualist item rather than Mesmer.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 17:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and a quick question. For some reason the wikipedia tool bars (like the control panel on the left and all the editing/watch this page/discussion/etc tabs on top, my watchlist/contribs links, none of that stuff shows up for me on any of the pages I open... WTF? I have to click-navigate through everything, or guess the target address and type it directly.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 17:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * O-o? That's weird. Do you have any .css or .js hacks? I honestly haven't a clue. They show up for me. Perhaps clearing your cache works? Bleh. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't do anything different from usual, and I've never used any hacks, add-ons, or other software, other than the google wiki search bar, which I've never used since installing it months ago. It just started like that today, and now I'm getting it to show up on some pages, but not others...  Also, sometimes my IE7 hangs up trying to open a wiki page (never happened like that before today) and gives an error when I try to close it saying that it may cause some undesired effects or some crap like that, but I click "Yes" and it just closes and that's that...  Weird...  O_O  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 18:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Typed address for Wandering Eye in the address bar, it hung up. Trying to hit the "Stop" button to stop it from trying to load the page has no effect, it still says "Connecting" and just turns unresponsive to anything.  Tried to close the tab, said "This window is busy.  Closing this window may cause some problems.  Do you want to close it anyway? -- OK"  Closed just fine...  BLARGH!!!  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 18:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Now using IE7 again, myself.. Wow, I miss ABP. Soo anyways, loaded a few pages after a while, and the toolbars generally loaded slow, but they appeared after a few seconds. This is probably because I didn't have anything cached yet. But this does show the problem, partially. Your IE stops loading the page before it's actually fully loaded. But; I've no idea why it is doing that. Sorry :( --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what the hell is going on... >_< I cleared everything stored on my PC, internet files, history, all of it. It still does it, and it also doesn't let me upload images. When I hit the upload button it just clears the address of the image (in the "Browse" box). This is pissing me off... >:@ RoseOfKali  18:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * ? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh wow... When I refreshed my talk, everything all of a sudden became centered and the TOC moved to the bottom of the page, but the control panel and stuff showed up this time, but not when I opened a new tab... "#$%#!!" This is starting to become funny just how sad it is... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 18:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah... I didn't have FF because I recently reformatted my PC, but yeah, it works fine in FF3... WTF HAPPENED THOUGH?!  MY IE7 GOT HAXXED! :'(  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 19:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It also seems like running FF3 fixed the issues in IE7... Bizarre upon more bizarre... O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 20:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * O_o" Weird. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  20:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure it's a JavaScript error, probably in one of the ads. IE gives me an "Error on page" warning, saying "'document.getElementById(...)' is null or not an object" at line 15, character 1, but I don't see anything like that on line 15 when I view the source.  I know that FF and IE have some small differences in how they build the DOM tree (the hierarchical structure of all the elements in an html document), so it's possible that this getElementById is able to find the element in FF, but can't find it in IE.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * But then how did running FF3 fix the problems that IE7 was having? :P Oh well... Damned incompetend losers coding cheap ads. >_< RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 20:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh hey, so you're having the same issues with IE7 too. It's good to know it's not just me. Well, not really, since it would be better if it was just me, but...yah.
 * Btw Ritualist Cane is also the closest I know to the Wandering Eye icon. I've never seen anything quite like it in all my travels. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha, so it wasn't just me. :P Running FF3 seemed to fix it for a short while, but now it's back, and I think this will be the time I switch to FF3 for good... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 16:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Adding
 * to your .css seems to fix things for now. Props to Wizardboy. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * to your .css seems to fix things for now. Props to Wizardboy. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * And I have no idea whatsoever how to do that... :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 18:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * User:RoseOfKali/monobook.css is what you'd need. Unless I recall incorrectly again. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Eh, screw it. Wikia fucked things up with the new skins, and I don't think they'll ever recover from it.  I'm not gonna bother, FF3 works, so I'll use that for now.  Thanks anyway.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 18:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

why did you remove the halloween frog from the miniature page?
purely out of interest? --Lemming64  00:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * AGF moar. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Found it too bad to be true... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 08:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I am glad AGF is alive and well over on the unofficial wiki. And yes you might think it was belated but did you consider maybe she got it when she received the frog many months ago and just waited until Halloween to show him off? --Lemming64  13:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * How modest of her... But I'd want to see it said somewhere reliable before that statement deserves to be on the page.  A "logical assumption" is not enough.  And WTH is AGF?  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 00:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Assume Good Faith [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, yeah, figured it out after asking. And sorry for un-doing the Halloween Frog, it just seemed a little too much and a little too long after the first one, and the icon looks Photoshopped...  Now let's wait for a Wintersday Frog... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 00:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Ritualist_Norn_armor/Male
Your expertise is requested, oh great and wonderful Armor Queen. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 23:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

GW:NPA
Your comments on the anonymous pages talk page are unacceptable. Do not troll, do not personally attack users, and do not make such comments about "Iran and Muslim women" that you seem to like. -- R  Phalange  00:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not "personally attack" anyone, my comments were generalized and un-targeted. Also, my note about Muslim women was valid in that they would be offended by the female character/NPC images, I did not say anything offensive about them.  Iran and other Muslim countries are about the only place on Earth where you would not publicly see revealing Western female clothing, or uncivilized lack of it.  I did not say anything offensive, incorrect, or otherwise inappropriate about Muslims or Iran.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 00:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't see how countering other people's arguments and asking for a valid one is trolling. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 00:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The 7 words that may have been read as a personal attack have been crossed out with an apology. Anything else?  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 01:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Whether they are generalised or not, they are still attacks on contributors. Your trolling includes the whole Bonecage Scythe stuff, and there's also a general air of asshattery and hostility against users, particularly Shadowcrest. I'm not asking you to avoid providing arguments against deletion, but don't do so with attacks and whatnot; if anything, they'll overshadow any legitimate points your argument contains (as well as drive users off the wiki). -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  01:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

o_O O...k. I think if you can't realize when your comments have turned into trolling, then we have a problem. (T/C) 02:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I s'pose I need a definition of trolling. I often have trouble being completely objective and emotionless when I don't think that the opposing party's comments are sincere.  And the Bonecage scythe is actually true, believe it or not (Check it's discussion and the date on my comment.)  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 02:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you shouldn't let the other person drag you down to their level, coz then they will beat you with experience (this comment is a general one and says nothing about what I think of Shadowcrest, for the record). In other words, don't feed the trolls, like and such as.
 * About Bonecage scythe - I think the problem there is that most people take that as sarcasm from you, though after looking at the thing I am willing to believe you're being serious. -_- [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * So, I guess, nobody is bothered by the fact that I had nightmares of animated Bonecage Scythes chasing me? I was scarred for life by that image.  And I can find you a single offended user for about half of the pages on this wiki.  That is not an argument.  And this again is not an article of the Mainspace Wiki, it is a Userpage article, and many users here post all kinds of materials that are perfectly fine to the general population, but can be seriously offensive to some people.  Much more so than some fucking cleavage.  Get a Muslim in here, and she will be offended by every single image of a female character or NPC.  Goddamn, you people are so fucking stupid. (Oops, sorry, my bad.)  Oh, and plese point out who exatly is that single user that was ever offended?  Because it seems like you're defending a non-existent user, as I hightly doubt that Shadowcrest sees offense in some clothed boobshots, PUHLEASE.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 00:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * ^example [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I AM being serious... I think it was a combination of seeing the old image of the scythe (the athmosphere made it a lot worse than the one on the Isle that's currently up there) and having it mixed with doing too many dungeons like Bloodstone where you have mobs of magically animated scythes and such... yeah... I'm crazy... There's a reason I don't watch horror movies... :( I couldn't sleep for over a week after seeing a time-lapse of a rotting human corpse on National Geographic (real, making it that much more disturbing.) I just really don't like that shit, I guess... And sadly, sometimes I get too involved in discussions and get pissed if people play games instead of trying to make a solid point. My apologies.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 03:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I didn't need to be reminded of that, coz I've seen that too (or something very similar). Ugh ugh ugh XC you have my sympathy, coz I'm not even that much a squeamish person...like, I know a guy who faints when he sees blood, and I was always like Lmao! But now I'm like...wow, I feel sorry.
 * Anyway - we all get overzealous sometimes and say things we wish we hadn't, or at least not that way. So I think it's forgiven. :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:26, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You "think?" :P But yeah, I'm not squeamish at all when it comes to myself, I stabbed myself in the leg on accident and was more worried about my husband seeing it and the fact that I now have a hole in my favorite jeans. But I just can't handle seeing other people/creatures/things suffering or realistic gore... yugh... :{ RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 03:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This one time when I was a kid...we were in the Day-Care and it was raining outside, so all us were inside and the activity for the day was clay modelling, with clay and toothpicks for "structural support" (how I make clever reference!). Anyway, you know kids - short attention span and all - so after they had made something, they would mash it up again and start over. Well, this one kid was really excited, so he was pounding his clay full force with his palms. Except then he aimed wrong. And a toothpick went straight through his hand to the other side. I will NEVER forget that...most gruesome thing I have witnessed with my bare eyes. And I've seen bones broken too o_O ... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This one time, at band camp, I had a flute..... I don't play flute. :P Or anything musical, for that matter. But I feel sorry for you. One thing I'll never forget is my dad piking a pig... But enough of that, I'm pissed that they give you Kurzick and Luxon faction all at once with the "show of allegiance" debuff active. >_< And my survivor was like 20k Exp away from r3... damned HFFF got nerfed. :'( RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 03:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)