User talk:Entropy/Archive 26

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Please donate towards my FoW armor. (T/C) 04:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you would consider taking you for FoW clears to be a donation, then I shall do so more. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would. Just hope that my #@$#@#@% NVIDEA DRIVER doesn't blow up. -_- [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And I'd help, as soon as I figure out how time zones work so we can meet.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 04:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Use GuildWiki time (UTC). --◄mendel► 05:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's currently 12:01 AM here, if that helps. GuildWiki time depends on setting your preferences correctly. :\
 * Also, my driver is NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M and it has all the driver software updates. Posted because I'll probably forget, and in case Viper/Progger can relate. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It sounds like a piece of crap. <3 [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It is, thanks <3 [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's 2:06 down here and I'm not that crumpy.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 05:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Is crumpy good or bad? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know, I was sleeepy when I said it.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 13:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Doth thou need cash monies for the armor as well? Im becoming increasingly inactive on guild wars and I dont like gold turning to dust. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 00:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ecto and shards are what I need most, though I guess I can always spend the gold to buy them. Thanks. :) (I don't even want to think about my "get runes for all heroes" project, since that's like 50k/character >.>) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright let me cash in my tourney points when they come in. i'll get you about 50-60k. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 01:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not crazy
--Shadowcrest 05:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Madness! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

New Project
I propose we publish a tiers list for the monsters of Guild Wars. Seeing as this is a huge number of monsters, maybe we could limit this to just special enemies like bosses. Tiers would be campaign-centered, so we'd have one for Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall, and Eye of the North. I know that I already did this with a poll (which had ~100? votes) but an official unofficial list would be fun too. (T/C) 05:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That comes dangerously close to build wars, although levels and monster skills would also come into play... it's an interesting thought. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Promotion Party
Cheers, and thanks to everybody who congratulated me! --◄mendel► 06:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

What the hell are you doing? a lovely dress?
GW:YAV says that your opinion is no less valuable than that of any other user's! You made a decision, one that was yours to make. Don't just run away, get back here and defend it! 07:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm doing it again. It's not my place to tell you what to do, and strong words aren't going to help when you're already upset. No matter what happens, I'm not going to be mad at you this time. I won't flame, troll, badger, or bicker. Please calm down and come back, or talk to me in-game. 07:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You have no idea what you're talking about. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I probably don't, but at the very least I want you to know that you've got a friend in me. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Felix's original sentiment - WTF? o_O  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

.....
If you're totally gone, so am I. &mdash; Warw/Wick 08:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Uhm... what did I miss? What's going on? Why did she infinitely ban herself? Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 08:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

If the self-block has to do with my promotion, if you think it helps we could consider this a 24-hour "trial run" and I get demoted again until the other Bureaucrats (PanSola was most reasoned in his opposition) are of a mind to promote me again. It's not worth it to be the first second cause of inter-Bureaucrat drama. --◄mendel► 18:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Did I actually oppose your RfA? o_O *goes back to re-read what I wrote* -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Entropy, if you are gonna elope with Auron and leave me as the only Bcrat left, then I'll get to unban you for duration of infinity if you re-ban yourself. So let's skip the futility d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 18:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back
See header :) And for what it's worth, I think you made the right decision.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 19:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * <3 [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

respond to above sections
All:

I'm sorry for causing concern and, frankly, being emo. I /ragequit because I was extremely upset, disturbed, and disheartened. Auron has decideod that he has had enough of GuildWiki, and I know I have disappointed him. He disagreed strongly with Mendel's promotion, but I went against his advice anyway. His response was, "You have failed", to give a summary. Then he told me to demote later.

You all know that I have the highest regard and respect for Auron's opinions, and so this hurt me deeply. I mirror Auron's sentiments on many things, and I have often looked to him for advice on "leading" the wiki. So this sort of violent split was sudden, to say the least. I pretty much gave up and /resigned then, having lost hope and abandoned this place as a dead wiki for a dead game.

But I changed my mind. I'm not leaving. I can't leave. I can't let others get me down such. GuildWiki is my home...it is my family. You folks are the only friends I have these days. :) ... I'd fight to the end to keep this community together. I couldn't face the shame of disappointing LordBiro and Tanaric by giving up in such a way. Even if they are or are not watching, I am bound to honor their memory and the trust they placed in me, by passing along the bureaucracy to me.

Besides, like Pan points out. I'd be leaving you in a lurch. People still depend on me here. I am important and I am valued in the community. I can't just up and leave like that. That is just so...rude.

I'm not blind. I know that in truth, Guild Wars and GuildWiki are dying. You can't deny that. But that doesn't matter to me. "For those who I protect, I mustn't lose"..."I fight for my friends". "This attempt on my life has left me scarred, but I can assure you that my resolve has never been stronger."

I'm with you to the end. I promise this time.

(T/C) 19:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I could probably write up something better, but, oh well; Welcome back mommy <3 --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  19:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't leave, don't fight either. Let's stop hanging in there and start hanging out for fun and friendship until this goes down on its own.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]reanor 19:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Indeed. Thank you, Ereanor, for putting things in perspective. <3 [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I wish I were better at expressing feelings/etc, I feel like there's a lot I'd like to say right now. Guess I'll just settle for a simple /go team wiki ^_^  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's alright, thanks Doc. :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Btw, Guild wars is dead, an MMO that dosn't release content for 1 year (bonus mission pack was a year ago at the end of this month), is dead Random Time  21:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * But I want my FoW armor. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * For whom is this armor being crafted? --JonTheMon 21:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My Warrior. I only need one piece - the leggings - because I'm O/C about having my armor sets match perfectly, and the Obsidian base color black is the only thing that matches with the Ancient Boots, and isn't an ugly skirt too. (Female Warrior) Using others, such as my current Templar, is strange because there is this long length of "chainmail" which covers the legs. Normally it ends to the boots, which have a grey base color, and so it looks fine...but Ancient is black and thus it clashes horribly. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll help you, Entropy! :). Anyway, get on irc/game if possible? :) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 22:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? I thought you were going after FoW armor yourself! o_O Class starts in 15min so I can only pop in briefly. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's only an "on the side" project. I usually make about 40-60 zkeys a month from xth, since I have 3 accounts, so hey. 4 months and I'll be set :P &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 22:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * D: D: D: [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Not that it's any of my business, but what armor combo are you thinking of precisely? My (female) warrior is a Legendary Trendsetter so if you ever want a preview... just say so ;) --[[Image:Progger.png]] - talk 20:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Elite Sunspear chest and gauntlets, Obsidian leggings, Ancient boots. I never show helms so that's irrelevant. (Felix says Ancient Helm "looks like an inverted urinal" anyway :p) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey
I think it may be a sign. My .JS has been loading, and showhide boxes are working again! (T/C) 20:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We have succeeded! The great Entropy has finally thrown out that garbage IE and switched to FF! Celebration! --Gimmethegepgun 20:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep dreaming, Gimme. :D [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * =( Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 20:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I am trying to set up an IRC client to connect to irc.gamesurge.net, channel #gwiki, and it is not working. (Felix says: "Browser based clients are fail") [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's strange, if you're using ChatZilla, have a Click Random Time  21:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I use ChatZilla, an extension to FF and it works fine for me --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  21:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Entropy is still refusing to drop IE, thus no ChatZilla for her. :P &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Works now. XChat for the win. Hey, I finally have IRC :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OGroovy! only 20 years from when IRC was invented Random Time  21:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I couldn't get XChat to connect to gamesurge, I had to resort to mibbit -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Running Vista, I had to make the install only add the Perl script plugins (since I don't have Ruby etc.). Then I made a new server with "Add..." and put in "irc.gamesurge.net" with "Favorite channel" as "#gwiki". Then connect. It worked for me. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

uh
is it 9 over there? &mdash; Warw/Wick 01:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it is 8:10. --Shadowcrest  01:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's 9 if you forgot to turn your clocks back when DST ended :O  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 01:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's 7:10 in Entropy's time zone, unless she's moved to Alaska recently.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  01:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're all wrong, it's 8:13 [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, then Shadow wins (for when he posted, at least). And the rest of us are just confused (about time zone boundaries, where you live, or both).[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  01:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So bak2class4ntropy? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 01:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Entropy is in NY, which is east coast. --Shadowcrest  01:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Time is irrelevant. Were dead remember. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 01:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, that explains it. *raises hand for confusion on both counts* And we're not dead yet, Linebeck! Just mortally wounded and slowly bleeding to death along with our aging MMO of choice.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  04:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There all dead, John.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]îğá†ħŕášħ 04:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mean to say we have been hit with Wounding Strike? Because otherwise, bleeding is a wimpy condition. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * When you have no self heal, and no heal on your team, it can be quite formidible. Kinda like Hamstring and Fire Storm ;) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 12:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Lacerate :O --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  20:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh My God, we're being defeated by crappy elites and horrible combos. (Hamstrom is gud though) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hamstrom is good indeed! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

NVIDIA, banished!


What the fuck XC (T/C) 07:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Last time I saw a screen like that we found it was because the videocard was ever so slightly loose on it's connection to the motherboard. However, if your desktop is fine then that'll not be the case. Graphics problems :(. Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  07:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * After I got this, I left game (obviously) and it was also messing up my desktop. After rebooting things are okay...but that is worrisome. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 09:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I had that as well when mine was loose... Maybe you should leave the FoW armor for now and beg for a screencard Entropy. XD <font face = "Matura MT Script Capitals">Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 11:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * "Priestess of Dwayna is not online" is still readable, so could be worse, I suppose ;) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This was in the middle of a Tombs farming run...if you see, all the skill recharge on my skillbar are broken so it's impossible to maintain Shadow Form without good internal timing. (+lag... >.>) Like I say, it persisted to my desktop also, so it's quite bad problem. :( [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 16:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If you recently moved your computer/experienced an earthquake/kicked it, Eze and Silver might be right. Or it could spontaneously pop loose (happened to my RAM once... O-o ). Other than that; for ~70 euros you can get a decent videocard, so, maybe it's time to say goodbye :P Oh, and pick ATI over NVidia :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh, I'm just fine with my NVIDIA, but that's just me. Anyway, yeah you should probably (de-static first) try to tighten up the video card inside. And if that doesn't work, your graphics card might be some freakish mutant like my ethernet card, which kinda broke, tried to reinstall a driver causing it to uninstall driver and not get another one, then turning my comp into a time bomb due to "major hardware changes" and being unable to access the internet, then later when trying to take it out, it magically fixed itself, and the driver reappears too! Best not to question these things... and just go with it... *shudder* --Gimmethegepgun 17:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Re-seating the video card - not just wiggling it around in the slot, but removing it, cleaning the connectors with alcohol, and putting it back in - can often solve video glitches like this. Of course, it could be a more serious problem - possibly overheated and damaged, as mendel suggested before, or corrupted drivers.
 * To fix the drivers, first uninstall them normally and reboot, then use Driver Cleaner Pro (I've downloaded this and used it myself; follow the instruction in the readme) to make sure they're completely gone and reboot again before reinstalling the latest nVidia drivers.
 * I've never had a Quadro card, but I've used four different GeForce cards in our two computers over the past five years and never had a problem with them. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 17:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I use GeForce too, but actually Brian (whom you know now) had that same problem a few weeks ago. He sent me a screenshot just like that, it was affecting his desktop. Ask him what he did. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Huh...I haven't really done anything to this comp (it's a laptop) other than what I normally do. I carry it with me a lot, but it's always in its padded case etc. Do you think constantly putting it in Sleep mode instead of shutting down could be causing problems? It takes like 10 minutes to fully boot and I am impatient person.
 * Doctor: I'm nowhere near proficient enough to do any hardware tinkering, so I'd have to wait till I can go home for the holidays and my dad could do it for me (he does stuff like that all the time)...there is a Help Desk here on campus that can do repairs etc., but I need my laptop pretty much every day and I don't 100% trust them anyway. However I will try the driver fixes. I am fairly confident that it's the drivers and not the hardware itself, since all the bluescreens and error messages tell me how the driver failed.
 * Felix - OK, I'll remember that, thanks. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you defragged in like the past 2 years or so? --Gimmethegepgun 23:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This is my school laptop, I've only had it like 2 months. :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, I forgot it was a laptop. That'll make it more difficult to jigger with any hardware, and I'm somewhat wary of messing with laptop drivers as a general rule.  Luckily it'll still be under warranty, so if it turns out to be a hardware issue you can get it repaired for free (you just have to get by without a computer for a week or two >.>).  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ooh, a laptop, huh. Maybe a school-laptop isn't fit for gaming purposes :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  13:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

My laptop does it too, just worse than that. Only ever happens when I've been on my computer for too long without turning it off. It's not good for it to be on all the time (even in sleep mode). Try to remember to turn it off nightly (or at least semi-frequently). &mdash; Powersurge360  09:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The simplest explanations are often the best and I think you're right, since the laptop is hardly lacking in graphics power (sure it's not a good card, but not subpar for GW). I will try this and see what happens. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

IRC halp
Someone explain a few things to me:
 * What does "!" do when it's typed before a word?
 * Who is ChanServ?
 * Does the / slash commants in the helpfile on the GuildWiki:Irc page apply to any client?
 * So i herd you can send files over IRC. How does that work? GuildWiki IRC - bootlegger's paradise?

Thanks (T/C) 00:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * ChanServ is a network bot that handles channel services. You can generally do "/msg chanserv help" to find more about services it utilizes (depending on the client, "/chanserv help" works as a shortcut). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) "!" sends a command to chanserv. You can also do that privately, like you would message any other user.
 * See http://www.gamesurge.net/newuser/, down at the bottom. The iste has more details on Support/User Guides/Channel Services Guide.
 * /nick and /me work pretty much everywhere because they're old.
 * DCC send, if your firewall lets you. It's still one-on-one, so peer-to-peer file sharing networks are really better for bootleggers (but I've seen irc bots that send you warez upon request).
 * Ask more on irc. --◄mendel► 00:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The ! is like a shortcut for /msg chanserv. You can see a list of commands here. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  00:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "!" can also send commands to bots that are in the channel. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 00:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks folks. :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see !banana, !8ball, and stuff on the list. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:40, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Those are commands sent not to ChanServ but to other bots, such as Randomtime's Godforsaken hellspawn trivia bot. Never mind. I dunno. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 00:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ChanServ returns "I don't want to be part of your sick fantasies, Randomtime!" etc. Also: ooh, trivia bot. I want to make one. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

[01:44]	[INFO]	Query view for “ChanServ” opened. ===	ChanServ <ChanServ@Services.GameSurge.net> “Channel Services” ===	ChanServ: attached to *.GameSurge.net “The GameSurge IRC Network” ===	ChanServ is an IRC Operator ---	End of WHOIS information for ChanServ. command banana <ChanServ>	banana is a binding of: ChanServ.unf banana is a toy command. End of requirements for banana. command 8ball <ChanServ>	8ball is a binding of: ChanServ.8ball 8ball is a toy command. End of requirements for 8ball. --◄mendel► 00:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

WHAR ARE YOU
I want to talk to you :p --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  01:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was busy living my life. But I guess I can spare some time to talk with you. (j/k) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * People who wiki don't have lives, everyone knows that :p --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  01:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * While that is generally true, it's also not a guarantee that they spend the entirety of their non-life on said wiki. I personally split my non-life time across four wikis, two of which I have "responsibilities" on, three social websites (with a total of five accounts across them), and a multitude of games. MY NON-LIFE IS BETTER THEN YOUR NON-LIFE. (and thus, I am immune to the "if you brag about not having a life, then you must really not have a life" statement.)
 * /butt-in --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  02:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Clearly you don't "get" wikis if you need to use the /butt-in command. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And now for something completely different.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 04:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Apologies. I still cling to my ideals, hopes, and dreams, no-matter the setting. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  05:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

You know you fail at farming UW
...when you die from Zealot's Fire. >.> (T/C) 04:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Epic Lol-lipop--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 06:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Yay! I finally got my first three Ectos from UW. It was of course on the Ecto Planes. I was using...

I would have got more, but I finally got so tired that I messed up and dropped SF. But hey, it's hard to repetitively press keys for three hours straight! Next time I'll remember to take a break. Nice part of the Chaos Planes is that it's so empty, you can just idle in peace there...go eat dinner or something. Anyway, some notes from my trip, because I know you're interested.
 * 1) Slow build is sloooooooow. Bladed Aatxes have +3 health regen and ~1200 HP; they're a real pain to kill with just Burning. Good thing you only need to kill like two big group of them for Clear the Chamber...
 * 2) On the other hand, this confirms that degen alone won't cause scatter.
 * 3) Burning Speed doesn't seem to affect Vengeful Aatxes, even though you can cause conditions to them with Traps for example.
 * 4) Mindblade Spectres have about 25% more Health than a Banished Dream Rider.
 * 5) Dead Collectors/Dead Threshers (can't tell them apart) have an increased attack range, something like a Flatbow.
 * 6) Dead Collectors/Threshers have less Health than Banished Dream Riders.
 * 7) Wailing Lords have a bit less Health than Banished Dream Riders.
 * 8) Unlike most caster enemies, Mindblade Spectres prefer to attack from about 80% of spellcasting range. They tend to bunch up like this, and by strafing you can further clump them so that they are all in range for Burning Speed.
 * 9) Burning Speed seems to have a "large adjacent" range, if you know what I mean.
 * 10) Similar to Aura of the Lich, each copy of Burning Speed is counted separately, and each will cause Burning when its duration would have ended.
 * 11) Charged Blackness chase for MILES. I aggroed a few when climbing the Twin Serpent Mountains, and they followed me all the way back to the Reaper of the Labyrinth.
 * 12) Even though farming in Hard Mode would give better drops, it probably can't be done, for the simple reason that monsters move faster and you could no longer outrun the Charged Blackness on the way to the Ecto Planes. They will kill you with Shock very easily.
 * 13) Adding some sort of direct damage skill would be mildly useful, but it would probably also cause scatter. Inferno perhaps.

(T/C) 07:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't need to kill any aatxes, at all. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  13:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Point 10: if you're using a +enchant weapon, the burning on you ends before the enchant ends, which is when the burning on your enemies begins. It helps to keep from overlapping burning too much. And the build I use has Shadow Refuge and Flame Djinn's Haste in place of Frigid Armor and Feigned Neutrality. Granted, the armor from feigned would be good when crossing traps, but you get 10 pips of regen from shadow refuge. If you try it out, let me know what you think of it. --JonTheMon 13:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Burning speed should be fast enough to get you over the traps. Also, it helps to bring a pair of zealous daggers you can autoattack with when you're not doing anything else. Point 13 - not inferno, lava font. The enemies won't scatter, because when you get to the chaos planes, before aggroing anything, you let shadow form wear off and then recast it, and bring a vamp weapon to keep your health down. You abuse the part of monster AI that stops them from scattering when they're about to finish someone off :P You just have to be careful not to cast burning speed when frigid armor is down.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 18:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Zealous scythe > zealous daggers. Huuuuuuge energy returns --JonTheMon 22:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If I don't kill at least some Aatxes, they may come to attack the Reaper of the Labyrinth, and then I get kicked out of the UW. Which would be fail.
 * I am using a +enchant weapon, and I do what I can to not have the Burning overlap - wait like 1-2 seconds after the burning begins before recast. You can get off two Burning Speed if you have to cast Fire Attunement first, and three if it's already up. Casting more than that, you also suffer Burning because Frigid Armor isn't up; and because most foes are spellcasters, you don't get any natural regen, so you have to use Feigned Neutrality eventually. Long recharge is long...
 * The reason I have Feigned Neutrality is because of the annoying Charged Blackness. You can usually get by most of them, but sometimes it is just unavoidable that one or two will Shock + Whirlwind you, especially during times when you need to stop and recast Shadow Form (remember that Nature's Renewal is always on from Behemoths). Their Shock does about 100 damage, but with Feigned Neutrality it does like 30, and it's quickly healed. I've never had a problem with the traps; you can run over them with Burning Speed anyway. Anyway, with Shadow Refuge you would need to keep casting over and over again, which in the end is probably less energy efficient. I may try it though.
 * I have a Zealous Scythe of Enchanting which works much better than daggers against such big mobs :) In my experience, Lava Font eventually causes scatter, even in Normal Mode...I don't understand about abusing the AI. So you're saying that when you're low health, that overrides the scatter? Interesting. I guess I could try that. As long as I don't forget to swap for renewing SF... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What are you doing at the Reaper of the Lab, anyhow? O-o
 * "So you're saying that when you're low health, that overrides the scatter?" Tested and proven by observing Progger extensively in the UW back when he wanted a stack of ectos :P Stay ~10%, don't screw up SF and scatter is null and void. It's awesome :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  10:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, you know, it's really not my fault that there is no guidance anywhere about what I should be doing to farm ectos, other than the builds themselves. No one tells me "here's how to avoid scatter" (until after I encounter the problem), there is no page saying how you don't need to free the reaper before the doors to teh areas open (yes I am dense and directionally challenged), there is no up to date "best build" at PvX which works magic because they are fail like that, etc. I have been learning all this the hard way.
 * And it doesn't help that I only get 2-3 ecto per these hours long runs either, before I fudge it and die from not being a robot and missing SF. >.> [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Obama wins
Discuss --Gimmethegepgun 05:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ORLY?--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 05:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * /care [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless "Spread the wealth" means getting me some Ectos, I disregard this as unimportant. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. --[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  05:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * May be it means GW2 will have monthly fees...lol, but could be...[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 05:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * YAY!! Obama won!! Maybe US won't suck so badly now...--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 06:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * so i herd obama was socialist --Macros 06:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * so i herd Joe Biden is a nobody. Also, paraphrased: "Being American does not mean very much, in other countries. But living in the US is quite nice; I wouldn't leave." Spot that quote! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I voted for Obama, yes, I'm happy he won, but what I'm really celebrating tonight is ONLY 77 MORE DAYS OF DUBYA!!!! :D   &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 06:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See, now that's something worth celebrating. :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ohey discussion areas! Marcos: Obama isn't really Socialist, he just has ideas enough in that direction to freak out over-reacting Americans. As for Obama, it's great that he made history and all, but I just don't see why everyone is so annoyed at Bush that Obama is worthy of such great celebration.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  23:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hypothetically
Could one run two copies of GW on the same computer at the same time?

I've done some research and it seems you can do it, but the method involves editing registry files and using a HEX editor on the GW.exe, and that seems kind of...dangerous...if not potentially ban-worthy...

Alternatively I am wondering how players with multiple accounts manage to move stuff between them without the use of a go-between friend or a second computer. It's not like I couldn't "borrow" a second one, but setting up a new copy of GW takes at least some hours, and considerable memory, etc. so I'd be asking a fairly considerable favor in that. I could wait till I can go home for the holidays, but I'm impatient. :\ (T/C) 09:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You can just download the gw client on the second computer, then when it starts downloading, cancel it and copy your fully downloaded gw from the other computer over the new data file. <font face = "Matura MT Script Capitals">Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 10:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a program called GWx2 that allows you to multi-client. It's not against terms of service, Gaile Gray used to use it. (I use it too.) It has no real instructions though, so you kind of have to guess how to use it. Website anywho. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * o_O Thanks Felix [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Uhuu...I should have seen that coming. My graphics is unreliable enough with one copy of GW running, it's an instagib if I run two >.> But at least the thing works. Pretty cool little patch, that. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Happy Let's All Go Blow Up Parliament Day!
Anarchy!--<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 22:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely! Make the world burn![[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  23:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Obama is responsible. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I blame McCain for deciding to concede the election to Obama so easily --Gimmethegepgun 01:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I blame McCain for being an inferior candidate. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel the pain, of those inferior candidates, as you vote in hell [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * +10 [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 01:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * AL vs Ogres, WTB [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

IRC fail
It takes up too much time cause it's srs bsns. I could have been farming ecto. Or planning what courses to sign up for tomorrow. >.> (T/C) 04:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Except you love it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What? You can't just wander into random classrooms when you're in college? The voices have been lying to me![[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  04:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Guilt, Remorse, and Bad Ideas tell me that their not sorry at all.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 04:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ectos > IRC imo. Also, Entrea, Spiritual Possession was so last holiday season. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you can walk into random lectures but if you want a mark you'll need to enroll. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  06:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Just say you're "auditing." Free knowledge, zero credit. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 07:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's all about the credits, baby. Screw knowledge :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

oic
There will be 20zkeys on it by tommorow. Maybe 10. &mdash; Warw/Wick 14:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

lol
Note: not a Rickroll, not fake, and... it's on FOX NEWS! --Gimmethegepgun 19:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * lolo, that is almost as good as former classmate of mine who said following things:


 * 1) "Islam is a country, right?"
 * 2) "What does puh-swee-doh mean?" (pseudo) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Quote from my english class last year: "Wait, president's are elected for 4 years now?"--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  22:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The sad part is that majority of the class agreed that yes, Islam is a country. XC Another I remember from one of those BS "child prodigies": "Wait, deceased means you're dead, right?" [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, we already have a precedent of the President not knowing Africa is a continent. I don't understand what's the big deal with a VP candidate who's not smarter.  W has set a pretty low bar for the Republican party d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What did she think Africa is anyway? lol <font face = "Matura MT Script Capitals">Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 23:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably a country, like what W did? q-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Following politics is like watching a comic that can actually influence our lives. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye . <font face = "Matura MT Script Capitals">Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 23:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering it's Fox News, I'd take it with a grain of salt until an exact quote surfaces - it's probably an exaggeration. (If there already is a quote, though, then I will laugh along.)  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 23:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Q10g_Mov4 --90.198.80.15 23:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I hope she at least MADE LOTSA SPAGHETTI. Ahem. Oops. Been watching too many Hotel mario intro's mixed in with Election footage. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 00:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you need help, please read the instruction manual. Fox News is unbiased, they tell you so themselves! Also, don't forget that John McCain used Google for the first time evar this year. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, since it's basically dissing the Republican party and YET it's on FOX news, this shouldn't even be taken with the slightest bit of doubt --Gimmethegepgun 05:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There are worse politicians McCain could have chosen. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 20:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

violence inherent in the system!
IRC has throttled me. You can't do that to like and such as a bcrat! (T/C) 22:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You forgot an and :( --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Salad [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would prefer a D: . [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 23:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem Entropy --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 23:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * :D --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ...what?--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 23:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I used my hax to reply to entropy (#1) and PL (#2) in the same edit. RC compression ftw. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I call mad shenanigans. [[Image:Rsz_PLSig.jpg‎]] 23:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * no u [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Screw you all.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 01:32, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Giga Emos Out [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Back to topic, I believe if you use same string for each field (nick, second nick, third nick, username, etc) then you get an auto DC since "already in use". (T/C) 01:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Giving sysops rollback
Sysops already have the tool, what's the point of reissuing it? <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  06:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Sysops already have rollback
You big dumb face This section was only added for irony, of course. 07:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * o i c wat u did thar. Now make like a beetle and roll. (What a brilliant idea for the GW:ROLL mascot!) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Gigathrash, would you please make a rollback userbox? --◄mendel► 08:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Normally when you are addressing a user, you'd use their talkpage, eh? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought about it, but then it would have fragmented the discussion, and not assigned due credit to you for the idea. Gigathrash watches your talkpage anyway, so it's as if I talked to him when we met at your place.  --◄mendel► 20:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As person with the official most userboxes made by myself, I'll get on it.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 00:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4 concepts on my userpage, go do stuff.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 01:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

sysops on a roll
Sysops automatically have access to the rollback tool. Adding the flag for them might just cause confusion/clutter? -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 06:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Great minds think alike <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  06:32, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Because to those who don't read this talkpage, it seems like a massive abuse of my powers and the formings of an admin cabal. You're interfering with my master plan [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Besides, if someone gets bumped to the Inactivity List of DOOM and their sysop flag is removed, they still get rollback, so they can come back and make a super-special-awesome-rescue from a vandal when we least expect it. (*ominous silence*) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's just how you roll :), allright, I'll shut up and let you keep your plans for world domination <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  06:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and more to the point, I just have the feeling like it is a good idea, or will be in the future. Spidey senses and all that.
 * The following is intended to be humorous and should not be taken seriously. You can explain x100 that "sysop/bcrat already has rollback", or you can check the Rollback group and see that they as well as non-sysop are there equally. So in a roundabout way it actually perpetuates a sense of YAV! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I take that seriously, but then I don't get Wikis. --◄mendel► 08:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Zing [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I Like GWW
because there's always drama to keep it interesting. (Shard = fun.) I could read for days. I think we need to make our WikiDrama more accessible to the entertainment-minded. Cause we have like <5 "arbitration" requests, and stuff on RfA's is kinda limited. The Builds Wipe caused us to lose some of our most precious drama: the builds talkpages. I fondly remember the Starburst Warrior, as well as my own build, the Inspired Smiter. And so many more..."Dragon Swordsmen" series...Wammos and 55s...Meleemancers...Paragons with Spiteful Spirit... How passionate people were back in those days! I surely do miss it...not the damage it caused, of course, but for the life it brought to GuildWiki.

I'm not rehashing the same old topic of "lol wiki is dead", but you must admit that mass edits to armor galleries, or perhaps to fix capitalization due to GW:ULC, just isn't much fun. And certainly doesn't bring out the best intellectuals among us.

...Nostalgia sucks, especially when it's my self proclaimed duties on Wiki. I'm having a bad case of missing The Good Old Days and The Old Hands again. :'( (T/C) 07:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Just butting in to say we have not only mass edits (always a good reason for Ishy to break RC), but also a steady stream of new uploads). Arbitration: just a highclass kind of talkpage spam --◄mendel► 08:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Gasp. Even though you have stated that you're not rehashing the same old topic of "lol wiki is dead", I shall still proceed to take your comment as a personal attack against my slight lack of recent mainspace edits.
 * Wiki-drama, gogogo. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  08:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "personal attacks are against people, not what they do" - GWW fenagling at work :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Way to go. You've completely ruined what could have been some wonderful wiki-drama. *goes to bed* --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  09:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's my job <3 [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This just in; Entropy is the reason the wiki is getting more and more boring by the second! --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  20:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This just in- ur fat [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * lawl--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:03, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hiya!
Been a while, thought I would stop in and see whats been going on around here. Alot has been going on lately with my personal life... broke up with my gf, got a new gf, moved, car engine spontaneously combusted, ect ect... I am working a little less nowadays, so I will hopefully be able to contribute more often again (yay! :D) So clue me in on what I've missed here and there over the past month or soish. :D --   Isk8   (T/C) 17:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Drama, Auron quit, drama, drama, drama, and you can request rollback now! <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  18:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ohi Isk8! Let's see, while you were gone, I promoted Mendel, Auron quit GWiki, the rollback policy finally was implemented, Wikia was having major problems but they are all fixed now...um...more stuff too but I can't remember it all. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, lots of happenings... Looking forward to catching back up and checking in with everyone again. :D -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   Isk8   (T/C) 03:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * meow. <font color="#FF44AA">♥ <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="turquoise">Mis <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="orange">fate <font color="#FF44AA">♥ 05:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * hai2u [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

You have over 9000 edits. I, on the other hand, have over NINE THOUSAAAAAND deletions :P  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 18:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * WHAT 9000??? Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 18:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm catching up, slowly - currently at 6326. (We can't give numerical offsets to our log page for some reason, only dates, so I took the source of and counted the &lt;li> lines in a text editor to get 1326, then added 5000 for the previous page.)  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 20:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Odd, according to Special:Editcount you have over 20,000 edits. --JonTheMon 20:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * He's talking about deletions. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It would still be over 9000. Since 20,000 is technically over 9000. 75.108.158.172 20:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6326 deletions is NOT over 9000, though, and THAT's what I was adding up. Deletions have no relation to editcount.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't check the link carefully enough to see that it's delete count. Which is a lot of deletions. --JonTheMon 21:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And there's 738 unused images waiting for me to devote a weekend to cleaning them up. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought you could view deleted contributions and tabulate that. As to you, Wizardboy, PvX gives more opportunity for deletion than I could ever hope to find here - I don't think we deleted that many builds even with the builds wipe here :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

language
I would recommend refraining from referring to the access of rollback tools as "levelup" or other terminology that implies greater "power" or "rank". It is a tool of convenience that should be used with care, and ideally our language should reinforce that mentality. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 18:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean that's not a reward for good vandal-fighting? ;-P --◄mendel► 20:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was running out of witty headers/edit summaries and that's all I could think of. I could have said "Skill unlocked!" [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Noob image
lol<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 
 * 
 * 
 * Second on is broken, noob :P --Gimmethegepgun 15:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Notice
It depends on the spell. If it's a good spell that you want to disable, dshot. Otherwise, Savage. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 15:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, Dshot isn't listed. Play Ranger more. :P [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Dshot = Distracting Disrupting (lrn2skills Vipes!) shot in this case, I suppose? ;) So anyways, Savage. Distracting Disrupting hurts on anything, Savage only on Spells, Savage recharges faster. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  17:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Osry, my school computer is terrible and I didn't read the text in diff mode correctly. ^What he said. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe. Well cool, finally have answer to annoying dilemma I face a lot inPvE. Then again I have a tendency to interrupt by random chance anyway, so... :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Distr Shot and Savage is the best combo for rupts, and if you need to spam, take Expert Focus and Punishing Shot along with the 2 aforementioned skills. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  13:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Expert Focus is a shitty prep fyi, you hardly save any energy at all. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Read the Wind IMO, if you're planning to land most of your interrupts. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  14:17, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The way it's displayed, Savage Shot would be the smart choice, since we're taking out a spell. This way, we use the faster recharging option, while leaving the slow recharging able-to-interrup-a-skill option open for a more accureate use (i.e. against a skill).<strong style="color: black;">reanor 22:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Also...
"With optimal runes and insignia, you should have 560 health. With best weapons, this can become 720 (+60 health staff), as far as I know. Vital Blessing will raise this close to or above 900, depending exactly what rank you cast it at. Other effects like Heart of the Norn give even more, etc etc. "

560+60≠720. And optimal gear would give you 590 before weapon sets, actually. Heart of the Norn doesn't work in CoF, so, no dice. Fast Casting doesn't speed up the run because you have to cast Sig of Illusions. And I never ran out of Energy tanking Murakai; just put her and yourself in the Flame Spout and it's easy as cake (and she dies faster.. yay for 50 armor ignoring damage and burning! ^^"). It's not like you'll die because of it :P --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  17:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed my maths. Thanks for run-type thing. I think I've got it now (unless I get lost again, lol) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * *grumble* [1.] Get it right :P Vital Blessing gives 211 hp bonus, and you have 650 hp with +60 hp Staff. Still, you need Enching (SBreaker, SoA, laziness), so count on +30. Morale gives +10% on your bqase hp; 480, thus raises by 48 hp total (woopty-freaking-doo). 620+48+211=total hp, not counting DW, counting r16 Prot, 10 Morale, best possible equipment (in theory). 879. Since you near always have a DW; 779 :P
 * On Smite; Monk > Mesmer. You rez with 100/100% and the Smite doesn't end up with 0 (I usually had at least 10e on rez). And Mesmer saves, like, a second. 8.5 sec for Mesmer (counting only one cast of Sig here, add 1.75 seconds for first bond), 9.75 for Monk, but Monk can cast sooner (Unyielding ftw). Assuming 14 FC, by the way. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  13:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * K well whatever. Heroes don't use UA well and it's a pain to repeatedly salvage their headgears and replace with the appropriate sup runes. And like I said, that makes the hero useless anywhere else anyway, cause sup runes on Monk are fail. Thus, I'm using Mesmer.
 * Few things I noticed after I ran through again today; firstly, you can sidestep the Enchanted Garden entirely by taking short detour around. Secondly, that large group of Enchanted on stairs becomes much easier if you aggro them such that the ranged attackers are Obstructed. Thirdly, reason I kept dying in the "bone pit" is cause I was running out of range of bonds, and/or forgot to use Mantra of Resolve after Spell Breaker wore off. >.> Finally, I went through and killed every single enemy in the dungeon. There is like 100-130 on the first floor, <100 on the second floor, and ~180 on the third floor. By the time I was done my entire inventory was blues, grapes, and golds, and I also had Heroes holding such stuff. Hehe [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

No Light of Deldrimor?
Needs moar Hidden Treasures. 22:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * LoD on the 600? Ur funny [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

QQ
Quick question on the public forums: I intend to upolad two pictures for use on two of my rollback user boxes, however I don't know what liscene I could use, if I could even upload them. and --<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 05:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair use under United States laws: (numbers here refer to list on that article)
 * the use is for a non-commercial purpose to illustrate the object in question (an ocarina and a steamroller, respectively)
 * the use has no relationship to the original copyrighted work
 * the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work (the video game the images came from) is insignificant
 * there will be no effect whatsoever on the potential market of the copyrighted work
 * Also, the chance that Nintendo or Capcom will sue us for using those images is infinitesimal. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 05:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * * Intestinal. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * the public forums $$\Leftarrow$$ hijack talkpage moar. There is GuildWiki talk:Community Portal, you know. And Request assistance, which AFAIK isn't limited as to the kind of assisstance you may request. --◄mendel► 06:17, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the public forums, though. Anyway...if we look at the fair use language, it would seem we are covered. However, based on past precedent of what images we allow for fair use, I would disagree. For example, Skuld once uploaded a picture of Scouter guy so he could make a userbox "This user has OVER 9,000! edits" or such. And that was deleted as "not good rationale for fair use". [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And you reprimanded me for adressing Giga here... ;-)
 * Anyway, to original language demans "educational" purposes. So if somebody asks, "why is this quote related to ROLL?", you can post a thumbnail of the steam roller and say, "because this steamroller is in this game". That's educational. If it looks like "we need a cool steamroller for our userbox", it's not educational at all - you're just to cheap to pay or make your own or don't even want to ask for permission. So your basic resort is to find a free steamroller and Ocarina. Ocarinas on commons:Category:Ocarina are pretty good, but the steamrollers on [commons:Category:Steam_rollers] need work. We also had a big argument - on the community portal, wasn't it? - how uploaded images really ought to be free so others can reuse them without worrying about licensing. --◄mendel► 20:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Have we reached a consensus on if I can upload them or not? --[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  22:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just as puzzled as you are. Perhaps try that "import free imagea from Flickr" thing? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Farming
Just to note, Holy Wrath maxes out it's damage no matter what your health is at, so long as you get hit for enough, and yes, even if you have Prot. Spirit active. Holy Wrath counts the damage before Prot. Spirit reduces it, which is also why you can still trigger SB while you have Prot. Spirit up and less then 600 maximum health.

Just thought I'd mention. I'm a pro smiter, you see. --<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  14:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh really? Well that's pro. Does that mean I can also use Holy Wrath/Spirit Bond as a 55? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, although generally, the whole point of using Spirit Bond is that you can have more health out of it. I run my 600 Monk at around 550+ health, I think. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  14:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's cool. Though I hate 55'ing anyway, it seems so much more limited and useless compared to 600/Smite. So many areas it cannot be used, and even where it can, you have to be careful the number of monsters, interrupts/KD annihlate you if you miss a HB/Prot Spirit, etc etc. Spell Breaker is godly, as is Mantra of Resolve. Shield of Judgment also can't be maintained etc. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Although there's always the benefit of the 55 working solo, but yes, it's a little fragile, prone to overdoses of degen, and expensive to set up. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  14:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's wrong. Using HW/Retrib as a 55 doesn't work (well, you see a lot of -1-1's, as if Bloodsond is attacking the tank). I tried that a while ago. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  14:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, never actually tested on a 55. Was it a full-out 55 Monk, or was it a 600 Monk with 55 health? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  14:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * 55/SS monk, so, yeah, normal 55. Not that it makes a difference; you use PS and SoA. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  14:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh well, I just sold off my 55 stuff. 8k refund is ftw. :p Though now I'm not sure what to do with this customized Totem Axe and -50 Cesta. >.> Afaik there's like three bosses you can feasibly solo with a 55, so the solo aspect means nothing to me. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Animosity Stupidity
Well I got a Murakai's Blade on my run through CoF today, but now I have "misplaced" it, likely to merchant. I don't know how I did that, though, cause I was really careful to put it in storage and everything... -_- Even after triple-checking the inventories of all my characters again, it has mysteriously disappared. I bet I will find it weeks from now, on some character's Dunkoro or such, because of an accidental double-click. >.>

GW needs a trader and/or Xunlai space for (max) mods so that I wouldn't have these sort of storage dilemna, which thus leads to messy inventories, and thus I lose actual important stuff like this. XC Oh well, I am sure I will be seeing another Murakai's Blade soon enough. (T/C) 16:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've one laying about, too. Also, didn't your heroes wield items you found on CoF runs? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  16:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, by the end of the run Dunkoro had a purple Righteous Maul plus a gold Iridescent Prism, and Gwen had a blue Forked Spear and a blue Skull Shield. No Murakai's Blade, though -_- [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 17:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

My New Toy


New toy that I could NOT pass up. 24" widescreen, picked it up at office max for $250. Great picture, 2ms response time 1900x1200 max resolution... I was drooling when I hooked it up. Gaming will never be the same :D. --    Isk8   (T/C) 22:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey now, I have something just like that. It's ViewSonic. Dimensions look roughly the same...no idea of response time but playing Brawl is excellent, even though I can't seem to get a perfect resolution (else I'm just sitting too close to screen). Plus my dorm TV connection is facked up. >.> Anyway, gratzi, and I'd consider getting a decent camera next. ;) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My tv is even bigger... 32" widescreen, that is just a monitor. Now when I dual link my tv to the pc, my cloned screen resolutions will at least match. And as far as the camera, I just took a pic with my cell phone because I can't find the data cable for our camera. :P Viewsonic is a good brand, this one is a knockoff, but the price was unbeatable. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   Isk8   (T/C) 22:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Got a flat screen monitor 40 inches wide
 * I believe that yours says Etch-A-Sketch(TM) on the side
 * In a 32-bit world, you're a 2-bit user
 * You've got your own Newsgroup, alt.o.loser
 * Your motherboard melts when you try to send a fax
 * Where'd you get your CPU, in a box of Cracker Jacks(TM)?
 * Play me online, well you know that I'll beat you
 * If I ever meet you, I'll CTRL-ALT-DEL you


 * Gold star if you get the reference. I need a pair of pliers to unscrew some misplaced bolts before I can hook PC (err, laptop) to TV, and I am too lazy to buy. :> Ah well. Some people I know have full sound systems in their dorms. This one guy, he has stuff so powerful, that he can literally shake the entire floor with correct song+setting. It's oorsome, if you like that sort of thing. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weird Al says hi.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 22:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Coming from the guy who always claims to have the world's weirdest playlist, I am not surprised. But now you ruined it for Isk. Ah well. [[Image:Skill Point.png]] for Giga. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * DO DO DO DO DO! Now I just need to find the big key and I can kill the final boss!--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  22:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Boss Key.jpg]] !!!!! But do you have enough Bombs?! Better talk to the conveniently placed Business Scrub! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * :O Silly Entropy!  Bombs deal no damage against the alter-egos of Gigathrash!--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  23:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't wait to bomb some Dodongos! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I would think the bow and arrows and Pegasus Boots would be necessary. Or you could call in some pesky plumbers to help you out. 01:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to steal the shovel first. Bomb Arrows hax, Pegasus Boots = how I hax to cross 5+ pits, spaghetti, etc etc [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Spaghetti, huh. I wonder what's for dinner... Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 03:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Zelda FPS? Obaby [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's All About The Pentiums? lol I got the reference even without Giga's assistance. Still loving the new monitor :P-- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Isk8   (T/C) 20:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh gj :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

immortalized
Thank you. --◄mendel► 12:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The Great [[Image:Toiletpaperwhitebg.jpg|25px]] Debate!
DPS, any day. Return Sig is very blah;
 * Huge cast time,
 * Relies on party members having a brain
 * Or even staying alive, but so does DPS, so that doesn't count
 * Low Energy rez
 * 7*3=21e, assuming one dead party member, all your other party members within earshot.
 * DPS beats that on rank 2, and probably rezzes with more HP, too.
 * Longer recharge.

Just so you know :) --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  10:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * See what I did there, Warwick? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * ...Am I missing something, or did you call me Warwick? O-o" I hope it's the first. (Also, changed header... Somehow, screw up header/TOC) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  10:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Warwick's changes to Rit/Para/etc secondary professions articles. She says Sig of Return is superior. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I missed that. Well, as I explained above; it's not. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  11:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This debate is unnecessary then, Warwick being wrong is a law of nature.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 14:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Join Me
Nao. talk 03:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nty [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Zen Daijun HM
FUCKING INCOMPETENT HERO/HENCH

Yes, I do feel better now. (T/C) 07:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

OK so I just got Experts. Zen Daijun article says to take three Healers, but my problem was that I had no way to shut down Yijo and Farmer Xeng Jo at teh end; I needed both a BHA and someone with Blind. (Throw Dirt doesn't last long enough) So if I took a prot monk, a heal monk, and Sister Tai, that meant I could get all the way to end with no deaths but then Yijo wipes the floor cause I don't have caster hate. 3rd Hero slot I tried with Gwen first, but she couldn't interrupt Spirit Rift enough times...Professor Gai has Shelter but he's incompetent anyway, as is Sister Tai, so taking both along means you are screwed for support.

So my final configuration was Vekk as aeromancer, Acolyte Jin as BHA, Dunkoro as heal monk, Sister Tai, and Su for Blood Ritual coz you kinda need it. Heal monk had Restore Life, but I also stuck Vengeance on the Aeromancer since you can't afford to have heal monk res in-battle for Hard Mode. I figured it couldn't hurt, anyway.

I got all the way to the end, and only had few deaths here and there when the Afflicted Elementalists spiked someone. (They hurt without prot, but like I said I couldn't afford) Yijo got off one cast of Spirit Rift before BHA hit him, and that wiped two people instantly; but after that he never got a spell off. Meanwhile Farmer Xeng Jo was always Blind so he never hit either. It seemed like I was on the way to Master's after many frustrating tries on the mission.

Then I got to the final mob.

The article says to pull them, which I did, but it turns out that they are one giant linked spawn - they all came running and even if I had wanted to flee and try again, I couldn't, because Togo and Headmaster Vhang are idiots. So I thought, maybe I can just kill the final boss quick and that ends the mission. Well that was my second mistake, because that doesn't end the mission...and meanwhile there was an Afflicted Ritualist who was spamming heals. In the end, I took out the boss, and nearly everyone was dead; I killed the Ritualist and the Afflicted Soul Explosion wiped the rest of us. It was only Jin and Vekk left, as the backline. Jin died, then Headmaster Vhang died, Togo was Bleeding and at <50% health, and I thought all hope was lost and I was about to /rage coz I was so close!

And then Vekk used Vengeance.

He resurrected Dunkoro...

...who cast Healer's Boon and ressed Sister Tai...

...who used Heal Other to save Togo and then ressed me...

...while Dunkoro ressed Su. Then we pwned the remaining enemies and I got Expert's, only one minute away from Master's.

And it was like, LOLOLO WTF RECOVER FROM WIPE!!! XD

So the moral of the story is: Vengeance is gud. And do take a res with you in Hard Mode. :>

(or, alternatively, newbie island missions/vanquish with H/H are made hard because of incompetent hench with no elites still using their crappy bars...) (T/C) 09:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've tried ZD in HM about 7 times. I still can't make it because of those damn H/H, and I've no hope to find humans in that outpost, may be now with the Young Heroes book, but still...[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 13:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean I can do it and get masters - I just need to, I dunno, take out that Ritualist first for the last group - but it's such annoying mission that I don't even care. For now. Also yeah, there was few people doing it in HM, but ofc I do everything with H/H unless it's impossible or completely infeasible... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * so i herd flags were gud. Oh and MM's are a must for Afflicted missions. --Alf&#39;s Hitman 21:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sabway it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't have 3 Necros. Flags don't do anything [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If I take an MM with Foul Feast, then I still need two Monks for healing, and then I don't have any way to shut down Yijo or Farmer Xeng Jo, and that'll be a wipe or near-wipe. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Borlis Pass HM

 * 1) Shiverpeak Protectors: Blah. I thought that Dolyaks were bad enough, but these dudes have Aura of Faith with makes Mark of Protection look like Mending in comparison. If I get lucky I can bodyblock them against a wall and then they die fairly easily; otherwise I have to chase them down. Since monsters in HM have an intrinsic speed boost, this is blah, plus they have Mend Ailment which removes expensive Cripple in no time. Needs moar KD chain, or else I'm dropping Vekk as fire nuker for Gwen with Backfire coz they have no hex removal. -_-
 * 2) Shiverpeak Longbows: Distracting Shot on every single skill is graahg. Monsters have intrinsic reduced skill recharge, plus they use Serpent's Quickness, so it's just blah. Aegis stops them a bit but really the healers need, like, Mantra of Resolve or something. Which is stupid since the whole rest of the mission it's useless and unnecessary.
 * 3) Frostfire Dryder: Hexway and bloodspike all in one monster. Bleargh.

The stupid thing is that the hardest monsters here in Normal Mode is the Stone Summit, but they are really wimps in Hard Mode...especially if you have ever been to Grenth's Footprint and Sorrow's Furnace, which is basically fighting against the same skillsets, so you are already prepared for e.g. Melandru's Arrows bleeding spam. (T/C) 13:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Easy mission is easy. Lord of all tyria 13:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Bad henchmen are bad. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * BP was easy for me actually. Kick Ass equiped WoH Dunkoro, a MM and SS is good. If you need any advice on future missions, let me know cuz I also do H/H 4ever (and my main is ranger too). Anyway, stop doing Guardian now, today is about Vanquisher.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 13:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm tired. Minions would probably be a great distraction for dem pesky Rangers. But you don't think of stuff like that when you have already been playing ~8 hours straight... If I could be bothered to do proper aggro setup I am sure that would also help, since Defy Pain is, you know, godmode. (Add Dolyak Signet and you can tank the Charr at the start of Nolani Academy in HM...then add a SH nuker and they all die...it's oorsome) Dunkoro is running WoH but I am thinking that I will need to set him up as a hybrid monk, coz in these smaller party size places I can not afford to take two monks really...That leaves me with slots for MM and SS stuff. Foul Feast mostly does your condition management...Teh dryders may still be a problem though, coz they are kinda far from corpses and you don't have heavy hex removal. And when you're down to just one healer...I really like taking a fire nuker though, since you just tear through all the Ice Golems (or most monsters, rather) so quickly.
 * The other half of problem is henchmen. Prophecies ones are best off in HM because they always get their best skillsets wherever you use them. Still, none of them are particularly good in Prophecies. Alesia is usually a suicidal choice anywhere unless you can pump mad amounts of energy like with a BiP. Orion is OK but he's so ineffective compared to typical SH nuker. Dunham is pretty useless...Empathy is nice in HM, yeah, but the rest of his skills is bleh. Claude has Blood Ritual, that's kinda his only benefit. Reyna deals fire damage which is useful here, but her skillset is pretty bad. Finally, there is Stefan and Little Thom, who are mediocre at best. Although there is no casters here which would deal OMGWTF damage to them during Healing Signet, so one of their main problems is somewhat gone.
 * Oh, I'm actually doing these things on my Warrior. If I was playing Ranger I'd be having a much easier time, since Ranger has a counter (not necessarily a good one) to most everything. As Warrior I can get a ferocious DPS going, and really lay the smackdown on foes who aren't blocking etc. (which is most of them this early on in teh campaign). But in all the HM I been doing so far, I don't need a huge damage output, I need more utility. I was trying to use Hammers for awhile cause KD is great utility, but I gave that up after being slain by Afflicted Elementalist for the Nth time. Without a shield you take ridiculous damage from them, it's just not worth it. May give it another go here, though, since there aren't such casters. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * HM with a warrior is easier than with a ranger. You can rely on yourself for the damage, and even the damage reduction. Rangers have BHA yes, but wars have reliable SY! Two healers will do the job in this mission. Seriously, is easy, take gimmick necros instead of monks and you'll see how you pwn. Of course, you shoulda be running something to do big domage because you're a war. --Alf&#39;s Hitman 21:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I do rely on myself for the damage actually, it's the key to my succes the way I see it. I use this build a lot, cuz AoE wins PvE only in NM. Heroes take care of the utility, and I take care of the foes.

<strong style="color: black;">reanor 23:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? Btw you might wanna take a peak at true AoE skills, such as Splinter Weapon or Mark of Pain.


 * I don't have SY, so I suppose I should go fix that. Still, then I'd be cheating by using overpowered PvE skill. -_- N/Rt healer wouldn't be exceptionally better here, coz it's not energy that is a problem, just the 2-3 second recharge Dshot on everything. I dunno how I got past this part the first few times... Well, one or two groups you can engage them such that the archers are all obstructed, but still. And anyway, that doesn't solve the problem of kiting monk which cannot be crippled. Taking Backfire next time...and maybe Glyph of Concentration to make sure it gets through. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So if you're not kdlocking with Urf Shakur, pulling 100's+ with WE, or using SY! (which isn't cheating as the skills are perfect for HM), what are you doing on a war? --Alf&#39;s Hitman 01:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Splinetr Weapon and Mark of Pain don't work right with H/H who suck at aggro management. Still, I got mish+bonus with an obvious gimmick balanced group of H/H and it was quite easy (no pvE skills, no cons), may be it's your fault, human Warrs tend to go too far ahead when engaging.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 02:29, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't got around to trying Hammers here yet, although Earth Shaker would seem to have limited use here coz a number of mobs can't be knocked down period, and the others don't bunch up that much. Warrior's Endurance bores me, I'd rather use Evis because it's cool (and besides, I don't have a Radiant armor set to make full use of WE). SY and other PvE-only skills is cheating, and I don't use them ever unless I've already done something once before the real way, so that I know I am capable. It is sort of like with runs. You should never get a run anywhere the first time playing through the game, cause you won't learn how to play right, and it's detrimental. But if you have already proved yourself by fighting through before, then it's OK. PvE skills teach you to play the game improperly if you start out by relying on them. They're fine to use on a second runthrough coz you've already proven your mastery over that part of the game. So at that point it's OK to break out the big and OP guns and tear things to pieces.
 * Splinter Weapon and Mark of Pain work just fine in a Sabway team, but that's special case I guess. Did you do this mission before or after they changed Aura of Faith? Just curious how you took out the Shiverpeak Protectors... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Take enchantment removal, micro it. Take a mesmer with VoR and Backfire and interrupts. SY! and other PvE skills aren't cheating, period. Hacking the game, that is cheating. Getting ran, I'd say it's cheating too. PvE skills, though, are made for PvE because otherwise they'll had to nerf most of the high end zones. Take Defile Flesh somewhere. Pwn. But if you don't like it, then feel free to never try high end zones.
 * And you don't need a radiant set to make full use of WE. Actually you don't need radiants for anything at all, because they fail. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alf's Hitman (contribs).
 * Aura of Faith recharges in like...2 seconds, it's not worth removing unless it's with Shatter (maybe). I don't have VoR (coz I'm too cheap to buy an elite Mesmer Tome), but Backfire will work just fine. I'm too lazy to micro anything anyway.
 * PvE skills is cheating to me; it's my choice not to use them until I've proven I don't need them. OK, I will concede that it's fine to take the shitty ones like Winds, coz that's just retarded -_- But seriously OP things like SY, TNtF, Ursan, etc. is bad.
 * If I have already played through Prophecies with every character, often more than once, and I know the entire map like the back of my hand...I don't consider it cheating to buy a run if I am feeling lazy. I'm not saying that I would do that, because I would be shaming myself. But I don't like people who say you can never get a run ever, under no circumstances, coz it's immoral. I will defend people who take a Droks run when their newly-created character already has KoaBD title, for example. You've already proven that you can pwn the game, and it saves you time, and you have the money to spare. You don't lose any playing skill coz you're already that good.
 * None of the high end zones were designed to require the imba PvE skills from Eye of the North. End of discussion. Factions areas were all doable before the retarded Alliance skills, Nightfall ones before the Sunspear skills. Teh only exceptions I'll make is that the Domain of Anguish was designed that players would use Lightbringer's Gaze, Lightbringer Signet, and the LB title track itself. Or rather, the title track effects are not cheating (although you really shouldn't need Rebel Yell for Prophecies Charr), coz the areas were designed that you'd be using them.
 * I also fail to see your point of Defile Flesh, coz that skill is largely fail. I've been to the elite areas in normal mode, and they are doable without PvE skills; I've been to UW in hardmode and that's doable without PvE skills if you are patiend and smart (e.g. have humans with you). Well, okay, I've never been to Slaver's Exile, but that's only one place. PvE skills make things go much faster and easier, but they are never necessary.
 * Not having Radiant Insignia for a perma/55/trapper/toucher/etc means you're playing it wrong. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Already at mid-way through Borliss Pass HM, no SY! No deaths, no problems. Will provide a ss later when I win if you need.
 * You know how people did high end areas prior SY!/EotN? Holy trinity. I don't know what are you doing playing Eviscerate when you should be playing obsi tank.
 * Lastly, NM is cake easy and full human teams make it cake easy too. --Alf&#39;s Hitman 03:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I did it after the last big skill balance, so yes. I've just came back from trying with a warr. Did bonus just fine with the worst build I could've brought (D-slash spam), WoH Hybrid hero, SoR hero, and MM with Barbs and MoP, Thom and Stefan lol. Summit Sage screw me near the door cuz I was low on minions. And I remembered why my Point Blank + Enraged Lunge build kicks ass, it's cuz I can deal huge damage to 2 foes at once, or insane damage to just one. Anyway monks are screwed. Back to topic, D-slash cuts trough Shiverpeaks prots like butter, and I guess Quivering Blade would've done better while they run. Bring some Srpint instead of trying to cripple them. But just chasing them until they stopped worked just fine, minions took care of the rest of the group. The real threat is the 70dmg Empathy from those Sages. You either bring something else for them to hex (with my ranger, Thom and Stefan got the hard part), or spike them right at the start before Dolyak Master can say "wut?"[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 03:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * [Note the lack of condition and hex removal, as well heroes aren't fully equipped]. Long story short, just like Lord said, this mission is easy, both before and after the update. --Alf&#39;s Hitman 04:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Same as most PvE; It's easy if you're prepared for it, backfire and VoR > Aura of faith. But Entropy went in with whatever was leftover from the last mission and stuck at it. Your heroes aren't fully equipped? You've got them running two builds which Entropy already said would help, and that'd be used if done again. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  04:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) You brought a Mesmer and a Minion Master. I'll try that next time.
 * 2) Holy Trinity doesn't use PvE skills so it's not cheating. It's smart.
 * 3) I don't have Obsidian Flesh, and why you want a tank here anyway? You just said to take WE Axe for wtfpwn damage, unless I am mistaken.
 * 4) I don't play with humans.
 * 5) WTF at Ether Renewal emo. And you took Alesia. D:
 * 6) The problem is that the Shiverpeak Protectors don't stop running, not always. It's the same with all caster foes in HM. Sometimes they will run for awhile and then they will stop and you can pwn them, no problem. Other times they will evade you forever. When they stop (eg. when I bodyblock them) there are no problems. They almost run faster than Sprint anyways - you can only really catch them reliably with a 33% speed boost (I was trying Bull's Charge).
 * 7) I don't have Dragon Slash.
 * 8) Empathy does 70 but it's fine to attack through it, as Little Thom and Stefan can tell you. Just have to be cautious that you don't get spiked at the same time from Empathy and two Vampiric Touch at the same time. (e.g. don't go below ~200 health; both Warrior hench have healsig so they stop to use it and it's fine)

(T/C) 04:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ezekiel, I said those heroes would help. And not preparing accordingly yourself for the mission/area at hand is not an excuse.
 * I don't know what's up with the hate towards MM's in this place. Might be Quizzical's guides? I don't think a 600-700 damage wall that absorbs damage is bad at all, and I don't see why you shouldn't use it. Unless you want to be "original". In which case I lol.
 * Holy Trinity means I can't play with all my toons. Means also playing this just like any other MMORPG. If you can still call GW a MMO. I mentioned it because you said something about The Deep and Urgoz.
 * Neither do I. That's why I take a peak at what I'm going to face.
 * Told ya before, tell you now: monk heroes are terribaed. emo > Dunkoro child abuser. I'd run a N/Rt if I had FF (or EotN at least) and my other necro wasn't set up for Orders.
 * Yes they run a little. No biggies, their team starts getting damage and they stop to heal it.
 * The degeneration at the cave is more dangerous than Empathy. This is were a N/Rt with PwK would come handy.
 * When I said unequipped, I meant not fully runed nor with proper attribute weapons.
 * --Alf&#39;s Hitman 05:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hate towards MM? I don't know where I implied such. I just never thought of using one here. Like I said, I've been doing all these really late at night...err...early in the morning so I'm tired and can't think much about proper builds n strategy n shit. I don't care about originality at all, I care about effectiveness.
 * Holy Trinity can be adjusted for a number of toons, though it depend on the circumstance of course, and not everything will work.
 * Doing these missions over and over and over for NM taught me what to expect, but I've never bothered to check for skill differences in HM or anything (actually, I've never done HM anything before this, not by myself).
 * I don't understand how if a Monk hero is baed, an Emo or an N/Rt plays any better healer, unless you mean to say the skills are fundamentally better on a Hero.
 * They stop to heal and then they keep on running. Minions would be dealing a constant damage which help keep them stopping longer, I guess.
 * Runes make fairly little difference, and weapons are kind of irrelevant for caster as long as it gives +10 energy.
 * [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Given how ambiguous text is I'll clarify. All I intended was to point out specific things about the attempts each of you made that at least in part explain why you had varying experiences when it came to difficulty. I am stating that those are some factors that directly relate to the difficulty of the mission. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  05:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Easy mission is easy. I got a few deaths but I think that is because Claude used BR at a very bad time. I've learned my lesson: in Hard Mode, you need to be. Only for a very few missions like Chahbek Village (mission) can you just throw together any random shit and hope it works.

Heavy hex removal meant no problems with Dryders, and Empathy was usually removed right away. Or, Little Thom took it, which was also OK. Backfire owned all the Monks handily. I was still running Eviscerate. (T/C) 14:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't have any issue in Borlis Pass HM (but then I play a mes with Echo and Backfire always on my bar). I healed through the hexes, and just MM-ed my way through.  The Frost Gate bonus in HM, now that was annoying.  Still, Echo-Backfire/IP + Choking Gas + MM helped get me through. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Frost Gate? That was cake compared to my (failed) runs through Borlis Pass. Only had problems when I got a bit overzealous and aggroed 3 patrols, but we lived. Like I said on that mission's page, it really ought to be mentioned that you should pull teh Dolyaks. They're not linked groups so you only have to fight 2 Dolyaks and 3 Crushers. Olias had Enfeebling Blood and Shadow of Fear, which shut them down nicely; Gwen had Backfire which destroyed the Dolyaks. And she usually interrupted Mark of Protection or used Shame. I had no problems at all, even with 0 enchant removals. :) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know the strategy. But still, pulling as a mesmer in HM for that portion is quite a pain. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Flatbow is your best friend? :) They don't have any range damage besides Banish, so you should be able to body-pull same as a Warrior (class I was playing as). Actually, I found it useful to often send in Gwen ahead of me to cast Backfire etc. against caster mobs - they would try to cast hexes or whatever and she would interrupt them. Then I would run in and things die, etc. When I would try to run in first, results were usually not as good. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about pulling for the Frost Gate bonus, so no, "running in" isn't an option until the two groups have separated sufficiently... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno what you're talking about...the area is a L-shaped sort of clifflike place. There is two groups each, which consist of two Dolyak Rider and three Stone Summit Crusher. If you aggro just one monster then you can pull one of these groups separate (sometimes takes a few tries). Usually they are already very separate from each other and so it is not a problem, or at least that is my experience. I believe they have a tendency to bunch up near the ballista only after you talk to Rornak Stonesledge (that's what I would do in Easy Mode). In such case, yes, it becomes a bit harder to separate them. But still, flatbow n such, you cover enough distance that even with the HM speedboost they give up eventually. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * In my experience the groups often bunch up at the corner of the L (I never talk to Rornak first, except during the initial Beta days). Thus pulling is often a pain.  Not that I died pulling in HM, just that I had to do several tries.  What seem to happen is that whatever I shoot at often gets healed/buffed from the monk of the second group, who starts following the mob I aggroed, and the rest of the second group followed that monk.  Thus I have to disengage completely and re-pull.  Several times.  Thus I found it to be a pain. BP comparatively speaking is much simpler even when some pulling is needed d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Tat's interesting... I know what you mean about the aggro, though. In HM, Dolyaks will prot themselves immediately when they are aggroed, and also any allies that are under fire. Aggro becomes shared when a monk from another group comes to heal a monster in your group, or something along those lines. Ah well. I guess I just got lucky then. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 09:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I lol'ed
I posted the same copyright question on the commuinty portal and I got a response here much faster then there.--<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 00:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Obviously it is because there are too many posts here so it got lost in the discussion. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I misread your statement. Obviously it's because this is the public forums [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Quick Question
Do you still need more ecto for your armor, or are you good now? Arcdash 02:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't need anymore, but thanks [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

You must vote!
And I'm sure you'll agree with my "other" input :P --Gimmethegepgun 05:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I can not. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Why the hell am I still online?
Why does Entropy stay up so late? Because she loves GuildWiki that much. Because she has a sleep disorder. Because she is crazy. All of the above.

IRC Magic Card
Why, here it is!--<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 03:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha :p Thanks, Card Hero [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 09:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I voted
--◄mendel► 15:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh the irony... voted. Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|18px]] (T/C) 21:28, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See, it's really ironic because on the poll for comparing strongest bosses, 114 people voted...and on the poll for whether INAFR or LAME was more famous, that was 91 votes. Right now there is only a pansy 30 or so. :p Clearly, people care more about Guild Wars than the democratic process! [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Or those polls existed for a longer time, thus allowing more people to vote. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * ...in America. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * ...in general. Bosses and INAFR/LAME have been there for a multitude of days, if not weeks, and the "VOTE YES OR DO NOT VOTE" has been there for a mere day. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * But...this is the public forums. It's like, me that we're talking about. D: [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Oversighters
I've been meaning to ask about this for a while, but could we bug Kyle to have some (or all) of the admins added to the Oversighters group? That would make it real easy for us to selectively delete certain excessively vulgar vandalisms like this one, instead of having to delete the whole article, then restore all but that one revision. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 18:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not even know that such a feature existed. To know that such a power is being denied to me because of silly usergroups is unacceptable. I will most certainly go bug Kyle about it.
 * ...oh yeah, and you other sysops can get it too, I suppose. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Brought up at Admin_noticeboard before. --JonTheMon 18:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I thought it had been, but couldn't remember where. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 18:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I knew it sounded familiar. This also would need a new userbox, by the way. Something with a link to Overseer Boktek or such. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 18:30, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * User talk:KyleH. Sorry :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's evidence - not to be oversighted away. It's hidden away enough from the kiddies unless some clever people link to it O.O --◄mendel► 23:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

New poll
Where's the 13-12-3 option, aka I'm too poor to get runes? Silver Sunlight (T/C) 19:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I refuse to spit on my attributes at all! GW-Viruzzz 19:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I usually spit it however I want, and only use runes for whatever I need at the moment (i.e. SH eles get a fire rune in the face, screw ES (come on, 3 Energy for >2k?), Smite monks get one Smite rune and have to live with either 10 or 12 Divine, whichever suits best). It also depends a lot on the area. When there's a hellish load of physical, my SH eles suddenly get a 12-10-8 (pre-runia) split because Weaken Armor and Enfeebling Blood are so bloody awesome. And they are returned to a 12-12 split when I either have nothing to fear (say, NM-just-about-anywhere) or when there's a crapload of casters (CoF and Power Return say hi). In general I feel runes make such a minimal difference, especially when you get a mere +1 (i.e. non headgear), that I roll without runing them up beyond headgear (if at all, haha). Well, unless I have another 50k rotting away on storage. Take an Energy Storage rune, for example. Last time I checked (today) they're as expensive as +30 hp (minor vigor) and add an oorsome +3 Energy! And your heroes don't get to use it well/at all if they have even half a brain and never drop below 50% even on 10 ES. Strength is fun, too. Expensive (1.6k, ololi), and adds +1-3 damage on a skill or 2 (depends on skill), and a whopping 1% AP per attack skill. An exception would be Rangers, which solely rely on hitting breakpoints everywhere, whatever they run (in my case, at least). Radiant/Attunement and Survivor/Vitae are also fun. I usually just give em Blessed Insigs if I want to make them sturdier >.>"
 * However, whatever runes I find go to my heroes (exception beying Major/Sup runes). --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ^Winnar imo. Don't forget Death Magic too :p
 * Like maybe you've heard before, I try to fully equip every hero on every character as best I can. That means spending big money for Windwalker and Nightstalker insignia, buying minor Strength and Energy Storage and Fire and Divine and Soul Reaping, etc etc. And of course we can't forget the all important Bloodstained and Stonefist. :p Because all of my characters have Koss, Olias, and Vekk, you can see how I have sunk a lot of cash into such things...
 * Thank goodness for the /bonus weapons, imo. Free very nice equip for every caster hero, free Tactics +30/stanced shields. It's such a bitch to trade for one staff of each attribute (as no collector offers the primary attribute staves, or very rarely at least, or with bad stats).
 * @Virruz - so i herd unspent attribute points wuz hawt [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * DM actually has a use. Makes Minions sturdier, explosions bigger, gives the ability to have a minion more. That is, of course, assuming the MM standard. The other Death Magic build; IV bombing. Bigger explosions. Yay! And if you are running lame shiz: Toxic Chill and Discord both improve greatly with a DM rune. I can't think of a build where a Death Magic rune doesn't make sense, or where it's a secondary attribute. Well, x/N's can use Death Magic (Withering Aura, Rotting Flesh, Contagion(lol on a Para)), but then there's no room for a DM rune anyways, so that's out of the question, too. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Way to go Entropy... you reset your poll :P Damn those Type-O's. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   Isk8   (T/C) 20:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, 12-9-9 ftw. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Salad made me do it. Also, why go 12-9-9 when you can go 12-12-11? -_- [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That is before counting rune bonuses. After would be either 14-10-10 or 14-10-9 or 14-9-9 depending on which profession the 2nd/3rd attributes are from. Multicalssing ftw. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  20:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure sure... blame the salad. Couldn't at least get creative and blame the Grog? Anywho, it probably would have been better to create your poll using base attribute points before the addition of runes, that way as to not bring in the bias of who uses what runes when ect. 11-10-10 \\ 12-12-3 \\ Personal favorite of mine for builds that need to split into 4 is 12-10-6-6. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  Isk8   (T/C) 20:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I will just erase it because it is not a poll friendly question. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

i dont get it
how did u make evryone <3 u so much? whoru neway?? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.113.154.83 (contribs).
 * No u. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Random note: I like how /. calls all unregistered posters "Anonymous Coward". Maybe we should modify our unsigned template to do that, too...  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Needs moar GW:AGF / GW:YAV. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Awww. Well, how about "Anonymous Person-Who-Might-Be-a-Coward-But-Might-Just-Have-Forgotten-to-Log-In"? :P  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No one ever "forgets" to log in, they choose to do so. Also, I see what you did there. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So slashdot is anti-4chan? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

RL crisis.
No you don't. Get to where I can talk to you. --◄mendel► 23:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We should be organizing a rebellion in Kourna. Instead we're runnin'. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)