Talk:Xuekao, the Deceptive

Skills confirmed via SoC. --adeyke 01:59, 8 May 2006 (CDT)

Skills re-confirmed with SoC. Patch change Game updates/20060519 changed them. (T/C) 23:06, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

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We have two nearly identical articles for Xeukao, the Deceptive and Kuekao, the Deceptive. Judging by the item's name his name should be Xuekao, but my notes show him as Xeukao, so I can't really tell (since ANet have a history of misspelling boss names on item names). So, can someone confirm? --Karlos 09:02, 9 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I took a SoC screenshot when I killed him. On it, the boss is called Xuekao, the Deceptive. --adeyke 14:21, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

Items Dropped
Guys, please read Style_and_formatting/Bestiary. The things 74.56.253.154 added are generic weaponry, some things 141.151.189.132 deleted were not. I readd the now missing items. --Khan Reaper Kerensky 05:12, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Cloth and linen are dropped by every "human" foe in Factions. Same with Tanned Hide Square and Fur with every non-human foe. We generally do not record things that are dropped by a wide variety of foes. 141.151.189.132 06:22, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I thought that materials are recorded, but equipment is not. Atleast I want to find the information about materials dropped by monsters. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 06:25, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Well, I have had cloth, linen and silk dropped by any number of Am Fah, Jade Brotherhood, Luxons and Kurzicks. It's pretty clear that all human foes have a chance to drop these materials. 141.151.189.132 06:27, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Despite the fact that all or most human foes drop Cloth, Linen, and Silk, and some non-humans drop Tanned Hide Squares, Fur Squares, and Leather Squares, they should still be under Items Dropped. It has been a unofficial rule not stated by the Style_and_formatting/Bestiary. If you believe materials should not be under Items Dropped, then the case would be removing Glob of Ectoplasm, Rubies, and such. The rarity of a crafting material drop does not state whether it is added to Items Dropped, all crafting materials should be recorded. --Gares Redstorm 06:40, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Ugh. OK, I see the problem is far more pervasive than I had thought initially. Fine, I'll add cloth, linen and silk back. 141.151.189.132 06:43, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * It may be clear to you. It's also clear to me where Xuekao is, what skill he uses and what he dropps. So why do we have this article? "It's pretty clear that all human foes have a chance to drop these materials." Right. But it is nowhere recorded (or I can't find it). I agree that it's not the best idea to add Cloth, Linen and Silk to every human foe and their bosses, but at the time it is done so. I think for the Items Dropped sections we should use some type of hierarchy. This means that Cloth, Linen and Silk are dropped by humans. In the article for the Am Fah we add the capes and the plague idols. Xuekao additionally dropps his unique. But then a user have to browse to Human and Am Fah (and maybe Am Fah Assassin) to get the whole list of Items this foe dropps.
 * Damn, I'm not writing fast enough. But I think 141.151.189.132 is right. At the moment, the Items Dropped sections are very chaotic and have to be organized somehow. I am too new to the wikisystem to know all the commands and stuff, but something has to be done about it. Maybe some command so that we only have to add and  to this guy. --Khan Reaper Kerensky 07:04, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Not writing fast enough? Was the boss coming up behind you? :P
 * No one wants to browse through 2 or more pages to find everything one foe drops. You two might not think its important, but for others it is useful to know what different items drop from certain foes and thats what this Wiki is about, recording accurate information and giving an easy way for users to access that information. If you feel this is a good idea and the Wiki needs to adapt, take your case to an admin and I'm sure they will start a vote or at least voice their opinion on the discussion. We are always trying to make things better, but its a community effort. --Gares Redstorm 09:22, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Right, ok, listen. General rules for the Items Dropped section:
 * Weapons - No, don't list (the exceptions are Unique items, and weapons only dropped by that species like the Magmas Shield for titans)
 * Crafting materials - Yes, list common and rare drops (but only list the ones that you yourself have actually seen, do not make assumtions and don't believe what the Prima Guide says)
 * Collectable drops - Yes, list
 * Gold - No, don't be stupid, just about everything will drop that
 * Dye - No, see Gold
 * Scrolls - No, see Gold
 * Salvage Items - Yes, see Crafting materials for rules
 * Unique items - Yes, use the Green template
 * Quest items - Yes, note in parenthesis if the item only drops when the quest is active
 * I think that about covers it. I'll update the S&F page accordingly later.  --Rainith 11:32, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * "Listen"? What kind of fancy computer do you have that reads the words to you? :P I could use one of those so I could shut my eyes for at least 5 minutes. An update would be nice. I've edited out too many Spiked Targes and XP scrolls to last a lifetime. --Gares Redstorm 11:56, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * "thats what this Wiki is about, recording accurate information and giving an easy way for users to access that information." Right. But the information we get at these Items Dropped sections are not accurate enough imo. We know (or is it just a theory?) that Xuekao dropps items out of three different categories. Human (Cloth, Linen, Silk), Am Fah(Capes, Idols) and his unique weapon, but this is nowhere recorded. Does Xuekao drop Plague Idols because he likes it or because he is an Am Fah?
 * Here my suggestion. If it is true, that items are dropped by some sort of category, we could create some templates for the Items Dropped sections with a little note that this foe like every Am Fah will drop this and that. I tested it on my sandboxwiki at home and I think its not a that bad idea and the reader would know that he could kill every human and not just this single foe.
 * Now we (well, I can do that) have only to confirm this theory and get permission by an admin. --Khan Reaper Kerensky 18:27, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * So you are saying that every Human killed, including the White Mantle for example, drop cloth, silk, and linen? No, of course not, but your suggestion makes it seem so, since "Human (Cloth, Linen, Silk)". Either your categorization is going to mislead the reader or cause category chaos.
 * And I don't think Xuekao drops Plague Idols because he wants to, I think the player prys it from his cold, dead hands. =D --Gares Redstorm 19:27, 23 May 2006 (CDT)


 * That theory I am going to proof today. Maybe its not every human, but every human in factions. Or at least every Am Fah and Jade Brotherhood. But you have to admit, that every Am Fah drops the same or at least have the same basis. --Khan Reaper Kerensky 03:17, 24 May 2006 (CDT)