Talk:Frenzy

How is "I will avenge you!" a related skill for Frenzy?? Generally I think if we list a skill as "related" we should explain HOW or WHY it is related. --Tetris L 21:09, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * I agree, I had a debate with Cloak of Letters about that once. In any case, the connection here is the increase in speed of attack. --Karlos 21:28, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Errm ... that's a rather loose relationship. We might as well list all warrior skills as related skills because they are all warrior skills. I think we should limit the "related" section for skills that are used in "combos", if you know what I mean. --Tetris L 21:32, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Come on! It's not THAT loose of an affiliation. :) I mean, when I am looking for skills to raise the AL of my flimsy ele, I like to look at all skills that do that and balance the disadvantages. Here for example, Frenzy causes you double damage, Flurry causes your damage to be less while Victory is mine relies on your party being on the brink of extinction.. :)
 * But, as I said, I think you are on the right track. We could have a subsection in Related Skills that says: "Skills that also do XYZ" and another about "Skills used in combination" and a third about "Skills to counter" that would be taking the Skills in our Wiki to the next level. --Karlos 21:50, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Can't the Usage Notes include "Skills used in combination"? --Kenthar 16:35, 20 October 2005 (EST)

Out of bitter, spiteful curiosity - is there any skill available in the game that's somehow worse than Frenzy? Something that'll get you killed even faster, some kind of spell or skill that just causes you to explode or something? --Black Ark 09:37, 20 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Any person with a brain uses rush to cancel it when they start taking dmg.. ppl don't maintain it &mdash; Skuld  09:48, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes. Thank you. I don't recall asking "how do people apply Frenzy effectively?" or "how ever do people manage to stop using it?", but you know, thanks so much for answering the questions I didn't ask. --Black Ark 09:58, 20 July 2006 (CDT)


 * "Yes, I hate Frenzy. Why'd you ask?" &mdash; Skuld  10:00, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Any time you're ready to make your point, I'll be here to listen and show care. So don't let me stop you. --Black Ark 10:05, 20 July 2006 (CDT)


 * In PvP, the two most probable skills on a warrior's bar are frenzy and rush or sprint. --68.142.14.19 09:53, 20 July 2006 (CDT)


 * There are plenty. Orison of Healing, for example, is a much worse skill than Frenzy in terms of doing what they're intended to do. Shocking, I know, yet true. --Vindexus 20:28, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

about Ineptitude and Clumsiness while using Frenzy
(cur) (last) 12:42, 20 July 2006 PanSola (Talk | contribs) m (→Usage Notes - how does one-time hexes have anything to do with this skill?)

Basause the damage from them is conditional (triggered) - it can be avoided unlike other direct damage skills or spells. And similarly to Empathy you should stop attacking if you get hexed with them (and have time to react of course) ...
 * It's avoided by not attacking. It's not avoided by using or not using frenzy.  --68.142.14.19 09:30, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Same goes for Empathy.

mathmatics of frenzy
before anyone goes running of to RA with frenzy on their skill bar, they should be aware of some things. first, double damage from frenzy has been equated to -40 armor from heal signet, which is not entirely accurate. for attacks and skills that deal non-ignoring damage without +damage, thats true, however, for life stealing, +damage, and other armor ignoring effects, which the warrior is more likely to be the target of, the damage is still doubled through frenzy.

consider the following example: a warrior with gladiators armor, healing signet and frenzy is facing a warrior wielding an icy sword1, 13 swordsmanship, and galrath slash. if the attacker lands galrath slash under normal circumstances, it would do 50 damage2. if the same attack were to land while our target warrior is using heal signet, the same attack would do 64. if the same attack were to land while our target was in frenzy rather then heal signet, that attack would do a devastating 99 damage.

note that the base attack in both cases did 21 damage, but with the plus damage doubled for frenzy, the difference is staggering. if the warrior were using a vampiric weapon instead, and accounting for the life stealing and +20 vs physical armor but still ignoring absorption, the totals would be 48, 58 and 97, respectively

1 we are using elemental weapon damage because it negates absorption without ignoring armor. 2 equations available on request.

--Honorable Sarah 13:49, 25 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Frenzy doesn't double life steal. --68.142.14.19 13:55, 25 July 2006 (CDT)
 * True that. Life stealing isn't damage, therefore is not affected by anything that says damage. --Theonemephisto 14:09, 25 July 2006 (CDT)
 * This is true. My cheap RA-built R/N can attest to this. I still think Frenzy is a terrible waste of a skill-slot, but I don't intend to sell it as worse than it already is. --Black Ark 14:15, 25 July 2006 (CDT)