GuildWiki talk:Wikia Migration/Archive

Copy+Pasted word for word from entropys talk. If anyone has another way to put it, go on. I just think that it should be in a more accessable location than Entropys archive. &mdash; Warw/Wick 18:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Header needs to be updated now, though. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Noes it doesnt :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well played, sir. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Updated, and made it so its not only to Entropy now. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not verbatim! You are hax. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Annoyed...
I'm assuming this is due to the migration and everything, (I've been away for the past couple days) discussion pages now swap the nav sidebar to the right side. Is there a way to keep this on the left? Because it is very irritating. -- Sk8  (T / C)  15:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's an april fools prank, on my talk page I have a note - I will remove in about 10 mins if nobody thinks it is appropriate RT | Talk  15:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its an april fools prank, which imo is annoying. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Favicon
Original GuildWiki favicon seems to have been lost and replaced by Wikia favicon (yellow "W"). TulipVorlax 16:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * looks like this was fixed Angies 15:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * With some pressing... RT | Talk  15:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Show/Hide-feature
Some show/hide-features on my userpage do not work any longer (e.g. ). Is that correct? Will that be fixed? --tapps75 20:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Preliminarily, it seems that Show/Hide only works now if information to be toggled is added in the /NavFrame page, although this severely limits customizability. I'm still messing with them, though. [[Image:Ruricu-sig.png]] ( Talk • Contribs) 23:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is the show hide stuff working everywhere else? Because suddenly some changes that I made to my own css regarding it are showing up unexpectedly. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 03:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My showhide things are working normally, though I have other formatting added rather than just using the showhide template itself. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Showing up unexpectedly how? As I mentioned here, I made some changes a few minutes ago to make the HTML on the site behave more like it did before.. --KyleH (talk) 04:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Why are none of them closing? Or recognized as code now? -- 22:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate it when they change the fucking wiki coding, cuz then it messes up THOUSANDS of /div tags and THOUSANDS of external links that start with gw.gamewikis and all redirect to the fucking main page instead of what they are SUPPOSED to link to. It's annoying as hell.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, to start a div, type , NOT   -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No even the /divs that come at the end are messed up.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I cant end a div, I can start them, look at my header on userpage, I want to put a /div to end the box and add the note below but I can't.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 22:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, the coding on your user page has epic breakages... the fact that the old codebase didn't show those breakages is like IE doing things wrong so that ppl writing things wrong don't see the problem... >_<" -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Explain how is broken then please? And why I can't close the box off?--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 23:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the CENTER that is killing stuff. Its very existence breaks the DOM and causes DIVs not to close.  You also had some FONT tags (which shouldn't be used also, but not the reason divs isn't closing IMO) that are not closing. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, in older versions of your header, not properly-closed FONT tags are also part of the problem why Divs aren't closing (the browser is still waiting for you to close the FONT first). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know many of you have already fixed the HTML in your user pages and in other places, but I went ahead and changed a setting so that MediaWiki will automatically clean up that code for you like it did before. It's a quick fix to a bigger problem (the bigger problem being that the HTML is broken in the first place), but hopefully it will help get things back to normal more quickly. --KyleH (talk) 03:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

on the bright side
They got rid of patrolled edits. No more red exclamations on RC FTW. Special:All log working is also FTW. <3 --Shadowcrest  22:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also: Polls are FTW.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  22:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bleh. I don't want to see them popping up left and right, but it's a nice feature to have I suppose. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * But I LIKE the red exclamation marks! this is an EPIC PHAIL imo--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 22:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Eww. >.> --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and I also HATE the new image that appears in my tabs now. It looks way to pixelated, completely unoriginal, and like they took all of three seconds to make it. At least change THAT back to the original. BLEH.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 23:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean in browsing tabs? I can't remember what it used to look like --Gimmethegepgun 23:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't either, but it looks suckage. Also, I see that message now and I have your .css gimme. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 23:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It used to look more like the shield that we have as our logo, much like GWW has their shield logo for their tab image.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 23:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, now I remember it. Might still be laying around on the server and we could change it back. And you know, I find it REALLY sad that less than 24 hours after the move, half the users have already nuked most of the changes into oblivion with their monobook.css --Gimmethegepgun 23:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * /bandwagon.
 * Wikia servers = great. Wikia sponsoring or whatever = awesome. Wikia crappy-ass skin changes without any options for users = nuke. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  23:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, if anyone can get me a location for the old little icon (or upload it) then I know how I can OWN NUKE their piece of crap logo they gave us and replace it --Gimmethegepgun 23:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The little icon in browsing tabs (and next to the URL) --Gimmethegepgun 23:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Wikia crappy-ass skin changes without any options for users" <- um, aren't you being self-contradictory? We can change stuff. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I also have no idea what icon he is talking about, Entrea. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8 (T / C)  23:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The little icon next to the URL has been changed back already. On Firefox and IE. What's wrong with you?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * NVM, I logged on after it was fixed. You'll need to clear your cache.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just did, and that piece of shit that they put in there (a sad little GW) is still there --Gimmethegepgun 23:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * When you click a link from TOC on talk pages it turns into a W again.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 23:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The "sad little GW" was uploaded by RT I think. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 23:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Gimme, it's ALWAYS been that "sad little GW"[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (Reset indent) RT uploaded that today entrea :P --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  23:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the same icon by the URL I saw when we were still at the old gamewikis.org.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it used to be a shield like the logo --Gimmethegepgun 23:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not since I've been on the wiki, at least as far as I can remember.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've always seen a gold/black GW.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 23:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you implanted false memories in my brain by describing that old picture, because I think I remember it now. o_O[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  23:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, now they've replaced it with that Wikia W, I'm gonna go see if I can't make something outta the GuildWiki logo for myself --Gimmethegepgun 19:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay then... the Wikia W is gone, but I'm still making that icon --Gimmethegepgun 19:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

This page is broken
Why?--<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 03:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Screenshot? Things look normal to me. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I get the feeling someone didn't nowiki a /div a few sections up. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nvm, fixed now.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 03:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Found the extra  ;) --KyleH (talk) 03:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Protection
I'm not protecting atm, we'll see how much it'll be vandalised imo. --- -- (s)talkpage 18:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Remove the notice then? I just wanted to be pre-emptive. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm leaving it because: Others might think otherwise. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Article can be protected independently from the talk page... I see no reason for anyone to edit the article anyways, so might as well go pre-emptive. Unless someone else has a reason not to protect it? --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  18:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There might be other news related to this, released later on. Who knows? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In which case autoconfirmeds, and wikia staff members, can add it. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The notice might invite random vandalism though... -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 18:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So either protect it now, or remove the notice. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Great
All internal external links have been broken... again. What I mean by that are links to history pages. Like this. Every one of those links made before today no longer works. The same thing happened when we moved to wikia's servers. Is there any way to fix this, without going through every link and manually changing it? --Macros 18:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Venting thoughts
I like the poll tag that we can do. I do not like:
 * 1) The white sidebar
 * 2) The implications of that (they broke my page - and now I have to fix it)
 * 3) The loss of the favicon (it's in the right place, but all I see is a taunting wikia W)
 * 4) The fact that they created some work finding and restoring the mediawiki defults.
 * 5) The Wikia messages sidebar
 * 6) Jimmy Wales <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  07:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just customize over the sidebars, my main gripe is the lag, yes there's been more since the url changed! Otherwise I learned a bit about manipulating from this experience.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 08:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've asked a wikia team member to see if they can change it <font color="Blue">RT  </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  08:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey guys, I hear you on the ad positions. I mentioned this three weeks ago when I first posted about the migration and no-one voiced that this was an issue. Now that I know it is, I am looking into what we can do to help. Will get back to you asap Angies 15:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  15:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Username Survey
Hey everyone. I know that some of you are worried about losing your usernames when we merge the user databases (per this discussion). I'm looking in to ways of preventing (or at least minimizing) username conflicts (especially among the most active users here), so I'd appreciate it if you could sign below to indicate whether or not you have already registered a separate account on Wikia in order to ensure that you are able to keep your username.

Sign your name with " "

I already have an account on Wikia that has the same username as my GuildWiki account

 * KyleH (talk)
 * Made it a while back &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 17:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage
 * [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]]
 * Zulu Inuoe
 * <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest
 * Also created an acct a little while back. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)
 * Just made it now; No one uses my name ^_^ [[Image:Ruricu-sig.png]] ( Talk • Contribs)
 * Yup, sysop on 2 other wikia <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>
 * Same username on all wikis for me. Registered on Wikia for about a year now. Started two wikia there and that include the french wikia about Guild Wars. TulipVorlax 22:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No issues creating an account with this name on Wikia ;) &mdash; [[Image:Fin_sig.gif|User:Kyrasantae]] <font color=#000080>kyrasantae 
 * [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful
 * Cress Arvein(Talk)
 * [[Image:AlariSig.jpg]]
 * &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥
 * Same login/pwd/email. Id on gwwiki: 17100, on wikia: 234539.. &mdash; <font color=#477391>Corsaire  [[image:Corsaire_Signature.gif]] 07:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * --[[Image:Progr.png]] -- talkpage

I do not have a Wikia account separate from my GuildWiki account

 * I tried registering, but it appears to have been taken by an inactive user. [[Image:Maui_sig.png]]
 * Macros
 * I also tried registering but my name is taken :/ <font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green">Talk</B>
 * "Poki" is already taken, but I don't know if it's an active user or not. If he's inactive, then I would request my username being unchanged, but if that's impossible then please change my username to "Poki3" and not GW-Poki :P &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]]
 * I tried registering but "Entropy" seems to be reserved already. Can't find any info about them, as they have no talkpage, no uesrpage, and no contribs or log entries...and I don't feel like hunting through hundreds of Wikia wikis to find which one they reside at. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C)
 * War Pig5
 * I tested the reservation status of my user name by trying to create one for wikia. Gem was taken, but I was able to create Gemi. That's what I want to use if I'm required to change. (didn't confirm the creation of that account yet though in case it might cause trouble) -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 03:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * //<font color="Green">Alcedo Storysparrow \\ Nuhuh. Data change phails.
 * Tried and apparently it is an inactive user -- Shadowphoenix  21:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My user name has been listed on the Username Conflicts list, I have sometimes appended an underscore to the end of my username when creating an account that conflicts, any chance of doing the same here in a way that retains all credit for edits? (maybe continue this on my talkpage?) Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs)
 * Heurist, same name and email on wikia, merge them.

Comments

 * 3 tildes gives name w/o date, by the way. Less cluttering. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "especially among the most active users here" because obviously, they are far more important than everyone else--<font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green">Talk</B>  18:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound that way. I just said it because they're the ones more likely to notice the message. :) --KyleH (talk) 18:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

WTF
I just got an edit conflict with myself (checked page history, edits were consecutive), but then the edit had been added anyway when i looked at the page. How can i have an edit conflict with my own edit and why was my edit shown when it specifically said that it wouln't be because of an edit conflict. Has this happened to anyone before the migration or is it a wikia problem?--<font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green">Talk</B>  18:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you hit "Save" twice? If not, might be a transaction session issue.  I usually see it when a save is taking too long and I'm trying again, or after a save I hit back immediately to make some tiny changes which conflicts with myself. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been happening more and more often, because since the Wikia move hitting Save page often takes nearly a minute to submit the changes. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok, hammering the save button in frustration when it was taking ages probably wasn't the best of ideas then ;) --<font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green">Talk</B>  18:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Once I clicked save, Firefox asked me... where do I want to save the index.php file @_@. The edit saved though, because when I canceled the download and clicked save again I got an edit conflict with myself xD &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 21:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Self EC has always been possible. It just used to be a lot rarer. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Major Issue
ALL external links to gw.gamewikis auto-redirects to the main page of this. This breaks tens of thousands of external links within the site alone, without other sites' links to GuildWiki. This problem NEEDS to be fixed in a way that doesn't require manual changing of each individual link. Since you guys can automatically fix all the extra /div tags that were left after the migration, I'm presuming you can also fix this issue, at least on this site, if not the others. Please address this problem as soon as physically possible. Thank you-- (Talk) (Contr.) 18:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you elaborate on this? http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/GuildWiki_talk:Wikia_Migration, for example, works fine for me. --KyleH (talk) 19:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it was already fixed? Hmm, I meant to post this yesterday, when they weren't working. In that case, I apologize.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I did post it yesterday. --Macros 19:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw the post yesterday, but by the time I saw it I think the issue had already been fixed. Let me know (by posting on this page) if you come across any links that don't work properly (or any other technical issues for that matter). --KyleH (talk) 19:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Template problem
Check out Draconic Scythe, Dredge Gutter, and Vizu. Notice anything odd about their info templates? Such as gray lines running through them? I don't know why this is happening, but it's affecting nearly every article on the wiki, so it had better get fixed. 03:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I talked to Pan about this. Gamewikis had default backgrounds as "white", but Wikia's default is "clear" so an admin/template wizard needs to add a white background to all our templates[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, very good then. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I found out how, add background: #FFFFFF; to the top row of each template, I'll add to unprotected ones. Now we just need an admin to do Skill box and stuff.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, skill boxes are fine (I think), so we should be good now.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermond, no-attribute skills are stripey. Will get an admin to fix.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

OMG - positive comment!
I like how category pages now have +(expand) on them. I use this page frequently: Category: Collectable drops. For future further improvement: If there was a way to give each of those categories an icon (the item's picture) it would be even awesomer (I also wish I coulda made that a wikipedia link to Awesomer).--War Pig5 03:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * you mean like Awesomer? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 04:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Lines through info boxes
anyone else see this as a problem <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  07:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * See two sections above. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * TBH I don't. --//<font color="Green">Alcedo Storysparrow \\ 19:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Interlingua
Just for information. Does anyone know what happened to the interlinguage link that the Main page had before thoses changes ? TulipVorlax 17:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I will respond to myself because i checked to history of the main page. PanSola remove them until they find some fix for some bug caused by the "move". TulipVorlax 01:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I removed them by accident, the "fix" you are talking about is me fixing my mistake, not related to Wikia move d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 01:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok then. ;-) It's a sysop of the french GW wikia that said "they have no link to us"... But i knew they where added to all wiki at the same time... TulipVorlax 07:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Gap on the right hand side
Since today I've a gap on the right hand side of the wide of the nav-menu on the left hand side. That annoys me since I've to scroll more down. I like stuff wide without wasting space. Will that be changed? --Birchwooda Treehug 15:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That "gap" is caused by the placement of two other wikia wikis and four ads that you're probably blocking; it looks awful, and I hate it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The ads go on the right with our menu. Or on the bottom. This is insanely disruptive. They also appeared to have added a ton of extra junk on a page about remembering to sign. And as usual, they posted a message at the top of the page and didnt remove it when it was complete.&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 17:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is why I'm disliking wikia currently. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 17:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like copying User:AT/monobook.css will make the gap go away; the side-scroll bar is annoying, but tolerable. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And the side-scroll bar apparently only shows up in IE, so all you FF junkies can be happy. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just copy+paste mine, it fits better. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, anyone using this may need to tweak the size to fit their resolution. YMMV. -- AT (talk | contribs) 18:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed it to 85% and its now the perfect width on my 19 inch screen at 1280*1024. I don't suppose theres any chance similar coding alchemy could deal with the new layout of the editing page "This is a talk page. Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ )." :@ --<B><font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green"><B>Talk</B>  18:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. I'm currently trying to remove the crap with the Starting new page. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 18:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm on #wikia asking them about it right now <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  19:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * @Cobalt: I had a look to see if I could remove that message, but the div it's contained in doesn't use have any id or class (bad form imo) so it's not easily hideable. But I agree, it's irritating. Try User:Poke or User:Galil, they're probably more experienced at this than me. -- AT (talk | contribs) 19:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Found it here. -- AT (talk | contribs) 20:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Ads
I don't know where else to put this, but this is ridiculous, the entire lay out of my userpage is fucked up from the new ads on the right. I am DAMN SURE that Wikia said they'd lower the ads to One Per Page, which it clearly is not. I bet there are tons of pages also fucked up from this. Someone with authority go harass them plz =(--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 21:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a seperate issue from the move, go to Wikia Migration.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  21:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't consider Wikia spotlights as "ads", so I only see one ad per page on Monobook (well it's one ad "unit" often containing 4 sub-ads in it), and one ad per page on Monaco. Zero ads on Quartz (logged-in).  We probably have a problem of definitions here )-:  On the other hand, the problem of the layout of your user page is completely tied to you being counting on everyone visiting your userpage to use the same resolution to get the same pagewidth, so that design in and of itself has issues )-:   -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * True, they technicly only have one Google Multiad, the others are "Wikia Spotlights" so they don't legally count.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  21:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * DNA, take a look at User:AT/monobook.css, He/She "fixed" it :)--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 21:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you use an Adblocker, you can get rid of the extra load times, too. AT only has them hidden. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Block out http://ads.wikia.nocookie.net/ 870 block hits :)--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 21:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can we not discuss methods of "how to let Wikia make less money" on the wiki? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, that would be repressing us then. Anyway, now that we've moved over there, I've noticed that the load times have tripled, and I spent a good hour or so trying to figure out how to get the damned background back in at the top --Gimmethegepgun 22:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Me too, i thought it was my internet at first, but other sites load normal. "Technically" 1 ad or not, it's in a terrible place, it compresses the pages, and i'm aware that my pages be screwed over by this is, largely, my fault, but there's got to be other pages that are now crooked because the main area is now compressed.--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 22:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't noticed any lag. I just wish they would move the ads somewhere else, they're annoying as crap on the right. Think of how ticked people got at pan's april fools' joke, it's like that all the time >.> --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm mostly frustrated by the way half the html on the wiki suddenly stopped working. My character templates look like stupid, and Ruricu and I can't figure out how to fix them. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry DNA, my page is also screwed up with this newly created right column, even with the ads blocked by ABP. And with the numerous coding issues with the migration, I am one very frustrated user right now.  I don't quite have to time to over-haul my whole damn userpage to fix all the broken code now.  And I'm hoping on Ruricu to fix our Show/Hide issue. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  22:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Shadocrest, it'd be different. The mirror joke would've put the ads on the RIGHT SIDE!!! Mwahahahahahahaha -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

(RI, or something similar) Hey guys, look. Two ads. There's no way you can say it's one ad, it's two seperate boxes. Sure, from the same company, technically, but two ads nonetheless. I'm glad they moved it back to the bottom, but there are two ads now.--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 01:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There are two ads now (instead of one ad and two spotlight images) because we reverted back to the old GuildWiki skin which had the side ad in addition to the bottom ad. --KyleH (talk) 02:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter, you guys said you'd bring it down to one ad, regardless of how many we had prior to the "migration".--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 14:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "The conditions have changed." Pull out while you're ahead tbh. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not allowed to point out their mistakes? This is starting to feel like a dictatorship.--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 19:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's because it is <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  20:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So we're all supposed to just bend over and let Wikia do whatever? I don't so much care about the number of ads as i do about the idea of it. They said they'd do something and they didn't, thus breaking their credibility, and losing my(And likely others's) trust--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 00:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, well, a lot of people complained about the single ad on the side, so they brought back the old skin. Right now, you are the only person who has complained about having one mini-ad on the left and one at the bottom (totaling 2), which may or may not be the reason Wikia feels not needing to respond to your complaint.  If they promised one thing, lots of people complained, so they changed what they promised so that the number of ppl complaining reduced to 1, then in general it is easy for them to believe they made the right choice.  Maybe it's possible to get them to put in two types of Monobooks: Gravewit's Monobook that you currently see (con: 2 ads), versus Wikia's Monobook that only has one ad (con: narrower content width).  That way they technically fulfill their promise by offering a one-ad version which you can use, while keeping the majority of people concerned about the width happy. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Because of the way things are set up, it seems unlikely that we could have two separate monobook themes, and it is clear that the old one was preferred. If you want to see fewer ads, you may want to check out the Monaco skin, which has a single ad, or the Quartz skin, which displays no ads at all if you are logged in (although Quartz is no longer officially supported, so some of the system messages at the bottom do not display properly).  Both of these skins do, however, have spotlight images, but on Monaco the main spotlight image is in a widget, so you can change where on the page it is displayed.  It sometimes takes a while to adjust to Monaco, but after giving it a chance, going back to Monobook makes me cringe ;) (and if you have any suggestions about how to improve Monaco, please contribute). --KyleH (talk) 06:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just applied this Monaco skin, i like it. However it could use some improvements, i saw the improvement page, and i'll think about what i'd like from the Monaco and sum it up when i get the chance.--<font color ="Black">D <font color = "#900000">N <font color ="Black">A 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

ADS GO ON THE BOTTOM!
I expect a comment from Wikia as to why the ads are no longer on the bottom and left side and are on the right side. This is EXTREMELY disruptive and throws off alot of the pages on a smaller resolution monitor. Many templates overflow into these ads and its horrible. I'm tempted to leave this wiki in favor the shittier but at least more pleasant to look at official one if this isn't rectified. &mdash;130.245.209.133 07:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Make a account and "hack it", wikia is a monster that doesn't negotiate.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 07:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed, adds on the right side are ugly ugly and ugly... did I mention ugly ?Big Bow 05:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Another problem
That I have with this is the god-damn side ads. You guys are actually more than likely LOSING more money by making these ads more... obnoxious, because it makes it even MORE tempting for a user to get fed up with them and use coding to hide them. I for one never used to hide the advertisements when they were placed at the bottom of the screen (a less obtrusive area for them), but thanks to this not-too-well-thought-through idea, I am blocking all of those ads on the side. This, in turn, creates an empty area, essentially a waste of space. It also, as I believe is mentioned somewhere above, breaks multiple pages for users using a lower resolution. Templates will regularly cross into the advertisements, which makes it harder to see both the template and the advertisement. I HIGHLY SUGGEST that you change the advertisement location. These ads are both disruptive and extremely annoying. -- (Talk) (Contr.) 19:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * And have no purpose --Gimmethegepgun 19:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They're actually much less obtrusive in Monaco, which is good because there seems to be no way to hide them. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, its pretty easy to hide them: User:Warwick/monobook.css. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hiding them creates empty space and wasted width. And it also makes Wikia lose more money, which is another issue I addressed above.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The ones on on the right? cos they look really bad, especially the wikia spotlight one :( is there an way to get rid o them? <font color="#FF1493">Cloud <font color="Blue">dyl 19:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * My .css has some code to span the page over the white space. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 19:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem is that monobook.css is a custom skin, which Wikia didn't design, so naturally their ads would be misplaced on it. They're fine in Monaco, although I wouldn't argue that you should all switch skins, cuz Monaco is a bit annoying. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have coding for both, and so can use both. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem with your .css, Viper, is that it doesn't really get rid of the extra space, only pushes it over to the side, which makes my page wider than it can show, and that's more of a hindrince to me. Regardless, you shouldn't have to use coding or change your screen just so you don't have extremely vexing advertisements appearing on the right side of the screen.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hiding them still causes them to load on the page. If they are being paid for each time it loads on a page, hiding makes no difference. But leaving it there and therefore encouraging people to hide it probably violates some terms of use with the google ads. The simple solution is to put these junk on the bottom (I have no issue with this.) Most of us understand that you want to have your ads on a page. But placement is a major issue with us because we are also competing with the official wiki. I like this one better because its more complete and has alot less bureaucracy to wade through, imo. But if the other one is easier to look at, thats going to be the winner. 130.245.23.139 19:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And here we have another advantage of AOL over FF! It doesnt do that for me. ^^. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No one cares, frankly. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Mr IP, they get some money for showing them, and more for someone actually clicking on them. With more and more people hiding them, they are losing money. Place them back at the bottom, where they originally were, and all of these problems are fixed.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Monaco skin definitely fixes this right side issue with the ads. I at least recommend that people that find it visually disruptive test out the monaco skins to see the difference.  ABP at least eliminates the lag associated with the advertisements (Loaded a few pages w/o ABP active, MY GOD did it take FOREVER!) -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  19:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well i certainly never used to hide adds and even looked at some of them for more than 0.25 seconds on the old layout. Now their hidden with the page layout changed so there is no gap, and im considering switching to firefox as my main browser so i can just use adblock. Imo adverts make less money for wikia this way--<B><font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green"><B>Talk</B>  19:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Hey all. I just wanted to drop by and reiterate what Angie said above. We hear your dissatisfaction with the ad placement, and we are seeing what we can do to help. I don't have any solid answers on this yet, but I think we can come up with something you'll like. We'll let you know as soon as we have more information. --KyleH (talk) 19:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * On the left hand side, under the useful stuff. Put it there. --Macros 19:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OR just back on the bottom where they were before. I think I've said that multiple times now :/ --[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but they were on the side when GWiki had only 1 ad. When Gravewit added another, he put it on the bottom. Tbh, less people are going to see it when it's on the bottom, so that's fine with me too. --Macros 19:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah sorry i didn't see the comment by Angie before, just looking at the bottom section as usual. I suppose atleast we are receiving some feedback from you wiki staff people, which is more than i would have expected :)--<B><font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green"><B>Talk</B>  19:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Better than Gravewit >.>--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Whats wrong with gravewit?<font color="#FF1493">Cloud <font color="Blue">dyl 21:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Special:Contributions/Gravewit. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  16:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, i would have expected this to be higher Special:Editcount/Gravewit

Ad Solution
I made a page layout that keeps the ads but moves them. It keeps both the wikia spotlights and I know that the google ads come in horizontal and vertical versions so this shouldn't be a big problem. I even added another wikia logo to the footer because it doesn't appear anywhere else clearly. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 20:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * On the bottom, where I suggested it (multiple times), and where it belongs. Although the ads are sideways.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You think? Oh wow... Lol. I'm not remaking the ads just to have them correctly oriented. You get the idea. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 20:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Call it Equal Opportunities :-)--<B><font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green"><B>Talk</B>  20:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, so is Wikia still deciding what to do about the ads? Can we be told what's going on? &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 02:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We're still working on it. I'll let you know as soon as I hear any news. --KyleH (talk) 02:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Resolution?
Hey all. I hope you don't mind, but I consolidated all the add discussion in to one section to make it easier to follow. As I mentioned before, we hear and understand your complaints regarding your ads, and I am happy to say that the old GuildWiki skin, with the ads on the bottom of the page, will be returning. I am sorry that it has taken this long to reach a resolution, but it took quite a bit of work from our tech team to make it happen, and I wanted to make sure that we were good to go before I made any promises. The new skin may be in place as early as Tuesday morning; however, it may take a little longer. While changing the skin should be rather painless, please report any problems that you experience here so that we can address them. Thanks! --KyleH (talk) 04:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Kyle. You guys' handling of this has done a lot to alleviate many of my concerns about Wikia and how we will be treated. Its great that you were able to resolve this before I got used to my new wide-screen monitor and forgot about how disruptive the ads were on smaller monitors lol. = D&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 04:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nooo! I don't want the old skin, I want the version JediRogue drew above with text rotated on its side~! *hides* -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Inter Wiki Links
Stopped working after the url change, left a message at wikia.com but no response, someone here know how to fix that?-- 04:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Which interwiki links are you talking of? The Wikipedia: ones are still working fine for me. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant to guildwiki, comes up with a page not found screen.--[[Image:AlariSig.png]] 06:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. This has been brought up before and I was under the impression that despite the url change, Wikia had fixed the problem. I know that manually fixing the link works (duh) but other than that... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to inter-wiki link to this wiki, w:c:guildwars:Special:Randompage works. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 09:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I guess thats better then a external link. Any chance old blhablah would be fixed?--[[Image:AlariSig.png]] 13:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Image use policy? Case sensitive. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comes up with a 404 error, does it work for you?--[[Image:AlariSig.png]] 13:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It does. What's your browser? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 13:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * FF with latest upgrades, did you test it just here or on some wikia? It loads for me from here but that same code on a wikia wiki comes up with the old gamewikis url and page name getting a error.--[[Image:AlariSig.png]] 13:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh, I thoght that it would have worked both ways cleanly, but you're right. Someone broke something. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I updated the GuildWiki link in the interwiki map. It's updated once nightly, so it should be fixed by tomorrow (assuming I got the change in before the cutoff). --KyleH (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Name change
If our name is already taken, is it possible for us to keep our current name on this wiki, but use the "GW-" on all other wikis? --Macros 21:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably not, because part of the merge is (I think) having those other users use our wiki, not just us use other wikis.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  21:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Entrea is correct, I'm afraid that it is not possible for us to do that. --KyleH (talk) 21:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I see that my username has a conflict on it, now I wonder if this is because of the user I created the other day on Wikikariam. This would mean that I have a name conflict with myself. Shall I delete that user until the merge is over or are there more than one person with my username? Winterbay 12:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If there is only me, then I have now solved it by setting the same email adress on both :) Winterbay 12:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Database Merge
Alright, let's get cracking! First off, I think a lot of those userspace articles will cause a significant problem because of templates; for instance would no longer work on User:GW-Bob's userpage. D: It also can't be good when random Wikia users get hundreds of userspace pages for no reason. What happens if User:Bob/Smellysocks and User:GW-Bob/Smellysocks both existed before the merge? 21:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the main thing that I'm worried about, which is why I tried to get an idea of the impact beforehand using the username survey. Fixing subpages should be fairly simple, but until the change happens, it's hard to determine whether it's best to do it by hand, or set up a bot to do it.
 * With the scenario of both User:Bob/Smellysocks and User:GW-Bob/Smellysocks both existing, because subpages will not automatically be moved, they'll both stay at their respective locations. As for the actual users Bob and GW-Bob, we'll be handling those on a case-by-case basis and posting information about any such conflicts. --KyleH (talk) 21:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that final concern isn't really one, User:Bib/Smellysocks will probably be on another wiki in the unlikely event it exists. As for, most users probably won't find it too hard to move their pages to their new username. For the few that have a bunch of pages like that (poor Entropy) Wikia can hopefully arrange either the bot-move or inactice-name-replacement Kyle was talking about.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea   <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  21:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just somthing, I have the same name on Wikia, same password, same email and such- Will I be changed to GW-Warwick? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 14:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "If you already have an account on Wikia with the same username as your GuildWiki username, make sure the email address is the same on both accounts. If the email addresses are the same, then the accounts will be merged, otherwise your GuildWiki account will be prefixed. " -- Brains12 \ Talk 14:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think I know what I was misunderstanding. While the user may exist on every Wikia wiki, that user's userspace will not. In retrospect, it was silly of me to think so. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Question
Ok, I have noticed that myself and several other users who signed the username survey saying that their names were taken on wikia do not appear on the list of name conflicts, does this mean we get to keep our names and the other users were inactive or what?-- - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 15:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * List of name conflicts? :o &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 17:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think there's a link to it from this article. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 19:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * ziz. Most of them are spam accounts and people who no longer are active, I think... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 22:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not on there too. I'd like to know if it's because the "other" Poki is inactive, or because they're going to change me to Poki3... &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 12:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If your name is not on the list, means your name is not taken on the wikia db. So, there is no "other Poki" in this case. Or it means the "other Poki" is registered by you and has the same Email adress set. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 12:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You are wrong on that second point Viper. Even if you own the same user name on wikia, your name still appears on that list.  (You just have to make sure that you have both emails the same) -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   (T / C)  12:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have an account on the Wikia db, and my name is not on the list. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 12:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * And I have an account as well, and my name is on the list. And both my emails have been the same since account creation. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   (T / C)  12:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Look harder, you ARE on the list :P -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  (T / C)  12:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Lolfail. That;s kinda dumb. Basically, it lists everyone with an account here and on Wikia, if they own it, remains an unasked question :P Weird --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 13:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, which I find it rather pointless that they even compiled the list. If you created an account on Wikia, I'm sure you would know that you did or not.  If you tried, and it told you someone already had that name, then you would know it was taken.  And I could see this as a real easy way for someone to #$%^ over a GWiki user that is NOT listed, by taking their name.  Raptors ring any bells? -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   (T / C)  13:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * So, am i in danger of being forked over then? I tried registering on wikia ages ago but it said Cobalt was taken...maybe that account somehow got deleted, i should probably have tried again before posting this message, but meh, il go try again now, if it still exists, and i can see no reason why it wouldn't, then this list really tells us nothing due to all the anomalies--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 16:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup, Cobalt is still taken, then why am i not on the list??--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 16:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for triple post, but this just got even stranger, i looked on special:Listusers on wikia and cobalt wasnt there :S....what the hell is going on??--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 16:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! Also, if an account has no contributions, it diesnt show up on listusers. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 16:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh good, well he doesn't have a userpage, so he will be a nice placeholder to reserve my name for me till the merge :-)--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 16:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Aha! In 2003 he fixed a typo on the Tai chi chuan article on wikipedia. That is his only wikia contribution. He stole my name for that!? For shame!--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 16:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Afaik, Wikipedia != Wikia :P Else they'd lagg for cookies too. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 16:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

So because I'm not on the list, it means that the "other Poki" also doesn't have contributions. Good to hear. My signatures and userpages are safe ^^; &mdash; Poki#3, 16:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For now...--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 16:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * :o &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 17:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, lots of discussion here. Unfortunately, there is no easy way for you to check how active a given Wikia user is because because while the user database is centralized, contributions, user pages, and the like are still specific to each individual wiki.  Special:Listusers on Central Wikia represents only a fraction of active users.  There are a number of names here that do conflict; however, they are not on that list because they signed the username survey and the local account here will replace the existing account on Wikia.  That said, I can't guarantee that the list is completely free from omissions, but we will work with you through any username conflicts that do come up. --KyleH (talk) 08:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sooo, is this still happening today (or rather, tomorrow, due to american time zones)?--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 18:58, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Because of some system-wide upgrades that are taking place today and tomorrow, we have pushed back the database migration. It is now tentatively scheduled for Thursday, May 8th. --KyleH (talk) 19:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing Tips
I have editing Tips de-selected in my preferences, and it still comes up upon editing every page. Any ideas? --   (T / C)  19:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Try re-select, save, re-de-select, save. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Still not doing it. Also tried a purge.  -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]   (T / C)  19:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, got it finally. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]]  (T / C)  19:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

quick thing
I didn't read talkpage or project page (no time) but one issue is user talk pages and user subpages, all of which needs to be moved. kay? bai &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 01:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't know about sub pages, but links are already being edited by bots. (May's bot was kind enough to remind me of every talk page I have on my watchlist ^^; ). &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 02:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the issue he raised is that GW account gets renamed to GW-blab, but its userpages didn't get moved accordingly. I know this for a fact, but it doesn't effect me because I own both accts. --Voidvector 02:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * User pages should move automatically with the account itself, although subpages need to be manually moved. I think it didn't work for you, Void, because it somehow didn't move your account, but split it instead(?). Note that the project page mentioned that pages might not move right away, but if all works like it should, they should move. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  06:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

my opinion on this
it's a big mess. a fugly big mess. (and those aren't cool.) It never should have happened. &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 18:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

A new thing to worry about
Hey guys, watch this. http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u289/karloth666/rickroll1.gif Neat, huh. Posting an image's URL direct-links the image now; vandals can image-spam without having to go through the trouble of creating an account and uploading images. Also, this probably breaks countless talk pages with links to screenshots and the like on them. Sweet. 08:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * External image hotlinking is *supposed* to be disabled I think... with photobucket being on a whitelist >_<"  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, as you can see from this image http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9832/badgerdj1.jpg taken from User talk:Lann, that's not the case. Hotlinking will be bad for load times, and would be very easy to exploit- post a thousand links to that rickroll gif on one page to see what I mean. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:29, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's better now. :D [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No it's not <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  15:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If there is concensus to do so, we can remove the ability to use any external images. By default, as PanSola said, most external images are blocked; however, a few sites like ImageShack are whitelisted.  You can view the full whitelist here. --KyleH (talk) 17:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Because hotlinking removes the need for licensing details, one of the things we take rather seriously here, I would vote to remove the capability altogether. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Remove imo --Macros 18:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Remove imo. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  18:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Remove. I'll be personally removing any such images that I find regardless of what is officially decided, since it contravenes GW:IMAGE. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Remove. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 00:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

(resetting indent) It seems that the verdict is unamious. I have requested that the tech team disable the the embedding of external images. This change should be implemented some time in the next few days. --KyleH (talk) 04:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Still working on this ... --KyleH (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know it's been a while, but I just wanted to let you know that this should be fixed very soon (with the next Wikia code release). It is a change that required some custom coding to implement. --KyleH (talk) 06:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like you did it. They're just external links now. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 16:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that issue should be resolved now. Let me know if it continues to cause issues. --KyleH (talk) 20:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Rename Requests
Rename requests that have been resolved ... My email is the same on both accounts, as is the password, yet all of my contribs have been moved to GW-Warwick. D: -- Warw/Wick 18:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Same issue; apart from I don't have an e-mail address linked to either account at the moment. lord of all tyria 18:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

My name is NOT listed as a conflict (here), yet I was moved to GW-Tain. Either the list or the change is an error, would appreciate some clarification and/or a revert back to Tain. GW-Tain 18:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am on the list, but I made it through fine because I own the other Entrea. Hooray!Entrea Sumatae 18:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Although... WTFHAXXSIGPHAIL!Entrea Sumatae 18:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

My username Maeve has been changed to Gw-Maeve and my password is no longer valid. It's not listed as a conflict either. 24.19.205.237 18:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is because I have two user names...One is this that I am posting with and the other Maeve. Please change this user name to Maeve. The one I am posting with is my old account. Thanks. Morgan Fairweather 18:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay so GW-Maeve works. But I would much rather it be "Maeve" not GW-Maeve. Thank you. [[Image:Ranger-tango-icon-200.png|18px]]<font color="#74BE86" face="georgia">Maeve 03:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Btw, Afaik the process to link user:GW-Warwick and User:Warwick (and everyone else's) contribs are fairly simple (if they have my problem)- The way to do it is explained on User:Stabber. Ofcourse, you probably already knew that. :) -- [[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So across how many wikis is this "Universal" username supposed to be? --ScathLann 01:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyway i would like my account renamed and merged with this one. --[[Image:Lann-sf2.jpg|19px]] <font color="#900020">Lann  01:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

My name wasn't on the conflict list but I got moved. Can you move it back please? - GW-Buzzer 06:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. :) --TOR 15:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you also ask for renames that aren't something like "GW-EXtinctioN to EXtinctioN"? &mdash; <font color="#00ff84">eX <font color="#00a2ff">tinctioN 20:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about renaming an account that wasn't moved during the database merge then it's technically possible of course, but I'm not sure if Wikia will be doing this. (It requires moving a lot of sub pages, and renaming a lot of signatures...) If you're talking about renaming an account that was moved during the merge, then you can request a rename to anything that isn't taken by someone else. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 09:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Zefir to Zefir
My name wasn't on the conflicts list. If possible, I would like to have my original name back. Thank you.  God Zefir  15:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --TOR 19:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Autolycus to Autolycus
My name wasn't on the conflicts list. If possible, I would like to have my original name back. If not, then my second choice would be Autolycus_Dux. --Autolycus Dux 16:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Good news, the other account was not active. You should be able to login as Autolycus. If you spot any other problems, contact me. --TOR 19:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Macros to Macros
My name was also not on the list. I too would like my name back. --Macros 17:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --TOR 19:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! --Macros 20:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Tain to Tain
Not on the conflict list. Posted a few lines up, but on the off chance they only feel like reading bold... GW-Tain 17:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --TOR 19:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * "Login error: There is no user by the name "Tain". User names are case sensitive. Please check your spelling, or use the link below to create a new user account." GW-Tain 03:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't know if this is what was supposed to happen, but now I have re-created the Tain account, I'll move everything over myself - don't worry about it. Tain 03:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-JediRogue to JediRogue
I own both accounts. I would like to continue being JediRogue. I also would greatly appreciate being a sysop on that name rather than GW-JediRogue&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 19:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Merged. May the force be with you. :P --TOR 11:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Warwick to Warwick
I have control of User:Warwick, and User:GW-Warwick, but my contribs have been moved to GW-Warwick. So uh.. Could I have them back? :p -- Warw/Wick 20:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * And done. :) --TOR 11:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Nova to Nova
May I please be renamed back to that name. My username did not show up on the conflict list. Thanks! &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 19:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --TOR 11:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 01:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Ghost1 to Ghost1
My name wasn't on the conflict list. Can you please change it back? GW-Ghost1 23:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --TOR 11:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Lexxor to Lexxor
Please, I want my name back :P If there's a name conflict, try Lexx, Lexx1 or LexxArc. --GW-Lexxor 00:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --TOR 11:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Woohoo! And I thought I would sign all future contributions as anon as I despised the GW-name :-) Thank you! --Lexxor 13:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

GW-Puk to Puk
My name isn't on the confict list, can I please have Puk back. I'm the original Puk, and the best, no imposters.. please! GW-Puk 08:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --TOR 11:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge accounts
Is it possible to merge accounts? I have 2 accounts under the same name now. Kind of useless. --Voidvector 22:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To prove that this is in fact me. --GW-Voidvector 22:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You could have merged them if you had acted before the database conglomeration. Now you just sort of have to choose one. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, WoWWiki merged recently too, but i didn't get another account there, how come it's different here? --Voidvector 22:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can request a name merge here. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 23:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I too need my usernames merged. I am and have both JediRogue and GW-JediRogue and I don't need both. I was JediRogue on Wikia before the merge and I expected to keep it. Additionally, only GW-JediRogue is a sysop here and irritating to log in and out to ban people lol. What is currently being done to handle all this confusion? &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing. It <I>is</I> Wikia. <font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar 00:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ....kay, I'm going over to the official wiki. --GW-Phydeaux 00:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The tech team is watching this page and dealing with the issues on a case-by-case basis. It may take a few days to get all the issues worked out, but rest assured that they are working on it.  In the mean time, please bring up any more issues that arise. --KyleH (talk) 06:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you guys are still working on this issue, but I made changed my email address on 1 of the accounts to match the other. One was using my hotmail account, the other was using my yahoo account. Now they are both using my hotmail account now. Not sure if this helps the cause in anyway. --Voidvector 20:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Unable to log in
Since the migration, I have been unable to log in and it says I never entered an email address. How can I resolve this issue? -- Tarun / 71.63.89.37 21:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like your name was changed to User:GW-Tarun - try logging in as that, if that works, see above to get your name changed (if the wikia user is inactive, you may be able to change back to tarun <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  19:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * When I checked, my username of Tarun is still in existence. I can tell because my talk page is still there as I made it: http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Tarun and I'd prefer to keep Tarun and not have GW-Tarun, honestly. -- GW-Tarun 22:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just want to point out that:
 * technically you can create talkpages for non-existent users too. But this technically point is pretty irrelevant because...
 * the entire reason you were renamed is because there is a User:Tarun already in existence on the Wikia user database. You got a "disambiguation" username because of the conflict. If you can prove you own the Tarun account on Wikia then they may be merged.  Or, if Wikia's Tarun is an inactive user (or at least significantly less active than you), then it might be possible for you to take over the Tarun account and get the other guy renamed.
 * -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, looking at the History for that page, it now shows in History that it was made by GW-Tarun. Though back when I made it, it was to Tarun. Frankly I don't care for this new merge of the databases. I want my name back and I honestly do not like how I was not able to choose to keep it or not. -- 71.63.89.37 00:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Because your account was renamed, the contributions are also changed to point to your account, so that the history does not incorrectly credit the other guy who owns the Tarun account on Wikia. That is the expected behavior.  As for not having a choice, if the Wikia Tarun is an inactive user (which currently we do not know whether is the case or not), then you in fact had a choice.  The whole user database merge had been in the site notice for weeks before it happened, and you took no action.  So it is like complaining you didn't have a choice in who the President is because you didn't pay attention to the fact that you can vote.  Right now, the constructive course of action would be to get the Wikia staff look into whether the Wikia Tarun guy is active or not.  Simply complaining under the "Not able to log in" section may or may not speedily attract the attention of the Wikia staff in charge of renaming users (in case one person specialize in renaming users, another person specialize in fixing bugs that prevent users from logging in). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I just looked at your account, and I believe that we can probably recover your original username. Please edit the Rename Requests section and add the change. --KyleH (talk) 06:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sig

 * Hmmm, nifty thing to change your sig on this wiki. I asume /~ pages are auto-locked?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  19:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I protected mine... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 19:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They aren't. Is there a way to auto-protect them? --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  19:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hmm... Then this brings up the whole issue of the "no SUBST:" issue in GW:SIGN. Is there any way to make those pages like the .css and .js where only the user can edit them?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  19:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Or just change it in the prefereces. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 19:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The point is that changes it for all of wikia. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 19:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the thing, prefrences are shared wikia-wide. So especially if you use images, you'd have to upload them to every wiki you use...[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  19:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's one way to do it. Just use a .js!<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  19:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)