User talk:Adraeus

Hunting Guides/Pre-Searing Ascalon/Green Hills County
Hey Adraeus, nice article :) In future though, please put any notes to other editors in the Discussion page rather than the article itself :) LordBiro/Talk 20:28, 15 Jun 2005 (EST)

After editing the article the only criticism I can make is that it is very personal. Articles shouldn't be personal journals of events. Instead of saying "I did this and got this and it was great" instead say "If you do this you will get this". If the reader likes the sound of the result then he might think it's great as well, but equally they might not. LordBiro/Talk 21:01, 15 Jun 2005 (EST)


 * I agree. I was simply too tired to edit it to fit that format. Adraeus 03:41, 16 Jun 2005 (EST)

Martin Lightbringer's complaints
What's with the arbitrary quest changes? I don't really mind 'Obtained from' vs 'Obtained by' and numbered lists vs bullets. But:
 * 1) If you're going to change one, change them all. Don't just change a couple and leave the rest.
 * 2) Perhaps seeking consensus on a template for all quests would be a better approach so that all of the quests stay consistent. Given that there are more quests going in, in different areas I think this is going to be more important.

Please followup to Talk:Quests or one of the Style & Formatting pages so we can start to define as a group how quests will be formatted. MartinLightbringer(CS) 23:54, 18 Jun 2005 (EST)


 * "Obtained by" doesn't make grammatical sense. The player obtains quests from Non-Player Characters, not by Non-Player Characters.
 * Numbered lists and bulleted lists should be used appropriately. This is not a "one or the other" issue.
 * I'm sorry, but that's not how a wiki works. I created Wikipedia's Company Infobox template, which is used currently on 450 articles. The Company Infobox template is the most used content template on Wikipedia. I am neither required nor duty-bound to implement the infobox on the thousands of other company articles in Wikipedia. Wiki is a collaborative tool. Editors create and edit articles together. If this were a static website maintained by a single person, then consistency would be necessary; however, a wiki is a dynamic resource. The concept of responsibility for adherence to principles of design that applies to other media does not apply here.
 * Consensus is an option and you can propose a request for consensus; however, if you are "hurt" by the change of "your" formatting, I suggest you find something better to do.
 * Adraeus 17:42, 20 Jun 2005 (EST)


 * As I said I don't really care about the language changes. Dialogue does make more sense than Mission Text. Your point re: Obtained from is fine. Your point re: numbered vs bullet lists is fine too.
 * My issue is not that you changed "my" formatting (in truth I took most of it from someone else as I recall), but that you chose to modify one Quest out of the list of content that was there at the time, add the Style & Formatting/Quests page saying this is how it shall be with respect to all quests while not going and retrofitting all of the other content there. You could have presented the proposed changes and said "I think these would be better and here's why..." before proceeding. As you said, Wiki is a collaborative tool. Which means you should actually take the time to collaborate with the community instead of acting unilaterally. Also, I disagree with your assertion that consistency isn't important. Consistency of presentation in a class of pages is important if this is going to be a useful resource for people. If consistency wasn't important then why bother defining the templates for the skills or creating any Style & Formatting pages at all for that matter? MartinLightbringer(CS) 09:09, 21 Jun 2005 (EST)
 * P.S. Good for you re: your contribution to Wikipedia. You must be proud.