User:Dirael/SW


 * "This wiki is, actually, very much about the people who play the game. This wiki was established by the SmashBoards (one half of it, anyway) to become a repository of concrete knowledge on Smash Brothers. We have always kept information on the prominent players of the game and their conventions/establishments."
 * This namespace proposal does not dispose of the current information, it simply relocates it (unless we purge, an idea which I do not support). This wiki does include information about its players, no matter what I or anyone think about whether it should. It appears to me that the general consensus is that it should retain information about players and the crews they form; I support this notion. However, you first state that the wiki is about the people who play the game, but then say "We have always kept information on the prominent players." Incorrect- we have kept information about all the players. (I dropped the "always" from the sentence because I haven't been here very long, but right now it is what it is and the present is the topic at hand.) What are the rest of the non-prominent people? Non-players, as Sky says? Can you tell me anything about $3rv, Aaron B, ???, or any of the other non-prominent smashers that constitute 99%+ of all the smasher pages we have? (See here for a full list. It took 3 clicks to find 3 examples- that ought to tell you something.) If the wiki was (one half) established with documentation of players (note the lack of rank qualifications in that sentence) in mind, why exclude the vast majority of people and force them to exploit the only visible loophole- to make it as a userpage?
 * "''There is no fault in retaining this knowledge in its original state."
 * I still do not see why splitting the information into multiple namespaces is seen as a "loss of information". Everything will be preserved exactly as it was (or improved in terms of formatting, but content will stay unchanged), except that it's at a new title. One half of the principle on which SmashWiki was founded is entirely preserved- moving pages does not remove information about the members of the Smash community. I would like to contest the argument that a crew namespace conflicts with (one half!) the principle this wiki was founded upon- rather, I believe wiping 99% of all crew pages due to lack of notability diminishes the ability of SmashWiki to document the community.
 * I agree that there is no "fault" in keeping the information as it is now. But any tangible benefits have yet to be found for keeping it as it is, and fewer for removing the non-notables.


 * You speak about the parsing into namespaces entirely pragmatically. How about, this information has no need to be in a different namespace? How about, it is legitimate content? So you agree that there are benefits to separating the crew pages into their separate namespace; your "why should we?" argument lacks actual support, and is simply comprised of a "there's not reason for us to". So, while I list benefits for separating it into a namespace, there have been none provided for keeping it as it is. If we keep it as it is, things will never change. We need change- I'm pretty sure we all agree the way they're set up now is not good enough.


 * The reason I speak of deleting all the unnotable crews as a short term solution is because if we do nothing to impose restrictions on the way pages are set up, they will just keep being created the way they are. If this is the case, we'll have to do purges every  interval- why not just force them to meet certain formatting criteria beforehand? Such as being named properly, including required information, blahblahblah?


 * If a crew namespace is implemented, I want to implement formatting guidelines that must be followed- if that changes anyone's opinions, I apologize for not making that clear in my first post.