User talk:Dr ishmael/Archive 10

* explodes the world* Jink  14:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Got your message via IRC
Just wanted to let you know I got it. I was following the file name a little too literally, on top of rushing through trying to get it done before I had to leave again :P Aloha, Mauirixxx 05:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

WoC area dominance
I saw your revert of 132.229.224.57 on the Winds of Change page. I agree with the revert since some of his info was wrong and the rest didn't make much sense. I just thought that it might be relevant to note that while areas affected by WoC are unaffected if there is a pre-WoC character in the party, having the quest to cleanse the area that you're in will cause the WoC enemies to spawn even with a pre-WoC character in the party. I had this happen trying to get to Vizunah Square (Local Quarter) for the first time and bringing a foreign character who had Cleansing the Undercity and wanted access to the local side. -- Kirbman 17:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I can't really tell what you want help with
I won't be spot-checking any further since I don't know what it is you want.

You asked for help spot-checking. I checked and you reverted even though that skill's description displays incorrectly on today's wiki. From this example, I have no way of knowing what you consider a bug, let alone which might be resolved soon. 75.36.183.9 20:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That specific instance is a bug with the pluralization regexes that I corrected on Thursday, but our wonderful Curse staff have been lazy-asses about getting it deployed.
 * What I want help with is verifying the skill stats - green numbers, energy, cast, recharge, etc. I thought that was pretty clear when I asked for people to "verify that I'm not screwing up the numbers."  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 20:57, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Californication
It's an awesome song, but the one thing I don't like about it is that it has no climax. It starts calm, goes heavier, then calmer again in the solo and back to the heavier. It's always pretty much the same intensity throughout the whole song. --El_Nazgir 17:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Scar Tissue is truly a song without a climax, and with an even flatter intensity. At least with Californication you get a mini-climax with every refrain.  [addendum] Interestingly, Scar Tissue charted higher than Californication (have to scroll to the Singles section, dunno why Album/Singles aren't actual headers) where they didn't both go to #1.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:29, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Eh, then I really prefer californication. Some of my favourite rocks songs ever are Stairway to heaven and Child in time. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 16:00, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

template changes
Great job you are doing, but shouldn't you be doing this with a bot account, of a bot flag? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 15:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been criticized in the past for using the bot account to "hide" edits from RC, so recently I've tried to avoid using it unless the edits are truly bot-like. That is, the edit is simple, repeatable, and applied consistently to every article - i.e. something that can be done in AWB.
 * I don't consider these template updates to be simple. I have to paste in the new description/progression information (which I concatenate together in an Excel spreadsheet), type in the progression descriptions, check if my progression numbers differ from the existing numbers, delete the old description/progression information, and finally scan the output for any anomalies after saving the template.
 * I did use the bot account when I went back through the Assassin/Dervish skills to add the skill id parameter, which I had planned on including in this project from the start but failed to include in Excel's concatenation. That was a simple, repeatable edit.
 * I know it clogs up RC, but at least you can just exclude the Template namespace. If it's really that much of a bother, though, and "the community" gives me "permission" to use the bot account for this, I'm willing to reconsider my position.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 16:26, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize the changes you are making are this compicated. Yes, I was annoyed that you cloged up RC so much. Now I know why. That also means I am not annoyed anymore. (That tip about hiding template space helps too.) You'd have my blessing about using a bot account, cause that makes it easier for the all of us. (exept maybe you?) Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 17:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It would be a tiny complication for me, since I'd have to worry about switching back and forth to make any other edits. Since you're no longer annoyed, I'll just keep on as I have been unless someone else complains.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 18:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I find it all fascinating. :-) Do you check to make sure that the ids are correct? Ariyen 15:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I did that a long time ago, using Cheat Engine to go through all 3000+ skill IDs when I first built my spreadsheet. When I did that, I tied each skill ID to the file ID and position of the text string for the skill name, description, and concise description.  I've seen nothing to suggest that these IDs ever change, so I haven't bothered to double-check them.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:41, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

server error on your user page?
Going to your user page I get "HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error): An unexpected condition was encountered while the server was attempting to fulfill the request". umm... owch. lol. (using Google Chrome btw) Myth 22:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like Curse borked the widgets again, I'll let Wyn know. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 22:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed the "game updates" has been updated since the 16th. looking at the history I see User:Scythe usually does that, but his page appears to have a widget issue as well. I'm guessing the widget issue is related to the game updates not getting auto-sucked in? Myth 01:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * No, game updates are not automatic, because we have to put the wikilinks and formatting in manually. I used to do them, but I've slacked off the past few months.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 02:00, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Weapon Icons
Thanks for moving those! I've managed to create a photoshop batch action which converts the texmod-extracted icon bmps into pngs with transparency, but I still have to name the files manually! Since I mostly deal with images on the wiki, is there a way to enable me to move/rename them? might make things a bit easier when I stuff them up, lol. Cheers, &rarr;  Dark Morelia  09:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a special permission only granted to certain user groups. Admins get it by default, and we also have a custom group called 'rollback' that was originally just for the   permission, but we later decided to add   to it.  You'd have to ask one of the bureaucrats to add you to that group.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 13:44, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * A question about extracting icons from the GW.dat file: If I understand what you've written here correctly, one can extract the weapon icon from an .ffna file, is that right? Do I need to have an -imaged dat file to do this? and how on earth do you figure out which .ffna file contains which icon? I mainly ask because I'm missing a few separately-saved weapon icons needed to finish the navboxes, probably because my dat file got corrupted a while back and I had to nuke the whole thing and start over. Plus I don't have enough download quota to -image it at the moment, lol. &rarr; [[Image:Dark.Morelia.sig.jpg|link=User_talk:Dark Morelia]] Dark Morelia  03:23, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Just do what I said there, pretty much:
 * Run a text search for the string "ATEXDXT3" in the FFNA files
 * Delete everything preceding "ATEXDXT3"
 * Save the remaining file with a .atex extension
 * Use the ATEXReader to convert to .png
 * WARNING: Don't try to do this manually - there are over 5,000 icons in nearly 100k FFNA files. I wrote a Perl script to do steps 1-3 for me that I can post to Pastebin if you want.
 * I don't know if anyone has ever figured out what exactly an FFNA file is, so there's no way to know (from the dat file) what item an icon is associated with. (Even if we could read FFNA files, it may not help, since icons that get reused usually only have 1 FFNA file, so I'd guess it doesn't include item names in any case.)  Basically I just used my own knowledge (and my wife's) to identify as many as I could, then I cross-referenced against GWW's item icons to get most of the rest.  That's why when I find the icons for the new festival hats and post them to the wiki ahead of the actual finale (OMIGAWSH this year's Halloween hats are probably in there! I must finds them!), I can only identify them as "Hat A" or "Hat B".  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 03:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, I get it now. I'd love that script please. I thought it was bad enough going through the 750-odd icons my dat had saved separately, but this will be a whole new order of "fun". *rolls sleeves up* &rarr; [[Image:Dark.Morelia.sig.jpg|link=User_talk:Dark Morelia]] Dark Morelia  04:05, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I put comments in to explain a few of the more obscure things happening in there. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:56, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That worked brilliantly, thanks! I came out with 8,323 icons all together, which was pared down to 4,023 after deleting duplicates. Of those, around 920 are weapons. Some useless trivia for you.
 * I also found some interesting things I can't identify, dunno if they're something to do with the latest update or not, since this is the first time I've extracted from the dat. Probably the most interesting one is in 00138757.ffna, but there are a few others. &rarr; [[Image:Dark.Morelia.sig.jpg|link=User_talk:Dark Morelia]] Dark Morelia  11:18, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 8k, really? That's interesting, I only get 5k.  Maybe your dat still has a ton of old, no-longer-used files in it that mine doesn't: I -image mine about every 3 months to keep it clean.  (What's your total # of files according to GWUnpacker?  I'm just under 176k.)  Also, your file numbers won't match mine, because those are assigned by GWUnpacker sequentially as it parses the dat file (if we were to -image at the exact same time, we might have our files ordered exactly the same, but even then it's not guaranteed), so you'd have to actually upload the file for me to know what you're talking about.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:04, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oops, I thought the file names were based off internal IDs, didnt realise they got assigned as they're unpacked. The one I'm talking about looks like a tri-corn pirate hat, and it was lodged in between the latest two costumes, so I think it was a recent addition. I might upload it and see if anyone can identify it, though it might just be a quest item I'd forgotten.
 * I did image my dat before this unpack, so it should be current. It came out at 203,542 files all up, 6.11GB. &rarr; [[Image:Dark.Morelia.sig.jpg|link=User_talk:Dark Morelia]] Dark Morelia  02:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * 6 GB?!? Holy cow, mine's only 3.89 GB.  What I meant to say above is that I delete my Gw.dat and then -image a brand-new one every few months, not just that I run   (I do that every time there's an update), and that if we were to both do that at the same time, we might get our files in the same order.  (I must've been really distracted at work to leave out that much information.)  I'd say it's pretty certain you've got a lot of old stuff in there, which might be interesting to go through.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 03:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and do you mean Possible Halloween 2011 Hat A.png? I found it in the same place, but numbered as 00175763 and 00175766.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 03:25, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's the one!
 * Also, you're right about my dat having a lot of old stuff. I remember now that when my dat got corrupted, I did actually manage to find an old version of it on an old hard drive, and I just copied that and -imaged over it. So my current dat probably has stuff in it going back to when I first started playing! &rarr; [[Image:Dark.Morelia.sig.jpg|link=User_talk:Dark Morelia]] Dark Morelia  03:35, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think this may be the other halloween hat, I dunno how we both missed it. [[File:Possible Halloween 2011 Hat B.png]]
 * I was organising my icon collection into further sub-categories and this was sitting right next to the pirate one. It does look a lot like the icon for the Wraith costume headgear, probably why it got glossed over. &rarr; [[Image:Dark.Morelia.sig.jpg|link=User_talk:Dark Morelia]] Dark Morelia  01:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I thought it was - neither me nor Jink have bought the costumes, and I hadn't looked at the GWW icons yet. I did think it strange that the other one (the one that actually is the Wraith headgear) only had 2 copies (which I now know are male/female), while this one had 20 (male/female for all 10 professions, which is how all other festival hats (except facepaint) are done).  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 01:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like somebody found them too.
 * I bought the costumes (I keep saying "this is the last one" but then another one catches my eye) but I only have female chars on my main account, and I thought that second hat was just the male Wraith headgear icon. I think I've been thoroughly converted to dat diving, lol. &rarr; [[Image:Dark.Morelia.sig.jpg|link=User_talk:Dark Morelia]] Dark Morelia  06:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, both GWW and GW.de have dat divers, and they're usually quicker than me because I have a 6-year-old computer (can't extract as quickly) and they apparently don't work a 40-hour job (can extract immediately after the typical update time of noon Pacific; well, for the .de guy that would be around dinner time, but w/e). &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 12:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Weapon Galleries
All the pictures in the weapon galleries are missing eg http://www.guildwiki.org/Sword/Gallery  sorry if this isnt the right way to highlight this, not experienced with the wiki world of doing stuff, but seems data is missing/corrupted?


 * I have no clue why it's not working. The query is returning the correct list of pages, but when it goes to format the output, nothing gets generated.  I don't know enough about how the DPL backend works to figure it out.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I checked out a few other pages that uses the same/similar output. I think it's missing a few codes, etc. for it to actually work correctly. I might could do some tests over in a sandbox first to see if what I'm thinking would work. However, I'd like other input. Ariyen 01:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not "missing" anything, because those galleries worked a couple weeks ago. I'm guessing something got changed on the backend (possibly the same thing that currently has the widgets borked), because nothing at all changed on the wiki.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 01:23, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I see this is still an issue, I will see if it's anything on our end.... What else uses dpl? -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png|19px ]] talk  05:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Extension_DPL <-- That is a "fake" template that the DPL extension flags as being used on every page with DPL for specifically this purpose (to easily find all pages that use DPL). &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * So it's primarily just the galleries that are an issue, and not dpl itself? -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png|19px ]] talk  00:20, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep. The problem is using DPL to include a parameter from a template on the source articles.  The format looks like:

include={template_name}:parameter_1:parameter_2:...
 * If you remove the include= and format= parameters from the DPL in the weapon galleries, it will return the correct list of articles, so DPL is getting the correct list of pages. It just can't parse the template parameters out of them for some reason.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 00:25, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

[ do your job]
gotta love the way he implies you get paid for editing the wiki  A F K When Needed  19:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Eh, "do your job" has become a generic phrase used in reference to any sort of task that might be assigned to a person, whether it be compensated or not.
 * What I love is that if I were really "doing my job" (as opposed to being the better person and utterly ignoring the personal attacks), I would be banning his ass 100 ways from Monday. FYI: [ it's Rask].  Don't let him know I know that. :P  But I've learned my lesson about taking actions like that when I'm personally involved in a situation.  Jink and Giga are both aware of the situation and I trust them to take action when appropriate.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 19:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right that it does not need to be compensated, but (as has been pointed out) the task has not been assigned to you. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.png A F K When Needed  20:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Doh, how could I forget my own standpoint so quickly? Argh!  Thanks for setting me straight.
 * However, it does work from his standpoint, since he (however incorrectly) assumed that it had been assigned to me. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 20:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I figured it was Rask, since the last time he was around, he was Ish bashing too. Still, you handled yourself well. Good job! Also thanks to the Gigster, of course. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 20:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's always Rask. No exceptions.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]îğá†ħŕášħ 17:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
For fixing up my mistakes in my most ambitious wiki project to date. There will probably be more yet, lol. &rarr;  Dark Morelia  23:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm easily bored.
Have some ponies.

--Łô√ë îğá†ħŕášħ 02:46, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


 * This header is now the official pony thread. If you see any other pony threads, direct them here.
 * "Pinkie Pie, you're a genius!" - "No I'm not, I'm a chicken, SQUAAAAK!" --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 16:45, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Eurobeat is one of my secret pleasures (that + Initial D + m.o.v.e + Mazda RX-7/8 all tied together), and this guy has created some aMAZing Eurobeat remixes of the pony songs. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:56, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Eurobeat is one of my secret pleasures (that + Initial D + m.o.v.e + Mazda RX-7/8 all tied together), and this guy has created some aMAZing Eurobeat remixes of the pony songs. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:56, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * So far my complete favourite of all the pony-related music I've heard so far. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 18:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So far my complete favourite of all the pony-related music I've heard so far. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 18:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Woot, I like PPS's remixes too, but I hadn't heard that one yet. Awesome.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 18:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * MLP FIM as sung by the United States Marine Corps.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]îğá†ħŕášħ 18:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * MLP FIM as sung by the United States Marine Corps.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]îğá†ħŕášħ 18:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ugh, I can't stand those. It was funny the first time I heard one (think it was Cupcakes), but now it's just irritating.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 18:36, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

{ri}. The WORLD agrees with me! Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 18:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * "I agree, your life sucks (1396) - you deserved it (4563)" No it doesn't. Btw, did you ever even just sit down and watch an episode without prejudice? Do that, and come back to us. Only then are you allowed to say MLP isn't good. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 19:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I watched the first episode of the original show (I'm a hipster) without prejudice, it bored me. ∵Scythe∵ 19:32, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * By "original" you refer to one of the various '80s incarnations, right? Yeah... that stuff was crap.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 19:48, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Indeed, there's a reason the hype is now, and not back then (aside from the internet not actually existing yet). The old cartoons are bland, the characters have no personality, etc. The show you have to see is "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic", and no other. And btw, the first 2-4 episodes are not quite as hilarious as the rest due to them being introduction to the characters. They still got some epic moments in there though. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 19:52, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * irritated* I know what MLP:FIM is. You realize 75% of the regular population of my TF2 server is either a furry or a brony, right :P ∵Scythe∵ 00:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, if you start talking about "original", one would think you saw the first MLP series ever made... --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 06:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * FIM was almost painful to watch. ∵Scythe∵ 22:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Bahahahaha! That said, I doubt there's any one thing that everyone likes. Jink  22:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

that and this is epic. 72.148.31.114 07:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * WoodenToaster is my personal favorite, I also have Pinkie's Lie on my main.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]îğá†ħŕášħ 22:54, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I commented: "The lyrics to this song are a sexual innuendo between a toothless alligator and a marshmallow pony from a young girls' cartoon show. So what does it say about me that I can't stop clicking Replay? Wait... don't﻿ answer that. >.>" &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 23:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How the bloody hell did you do that? Ish Is Escaping.png--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]îğá†ħŕášħ 23:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Jink says because I'm 20% cooler. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 23:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting shows. I must show my alliance. There's many pony fans there. ;-) Sides my sweet little girl(yay!). 72.148.31.114 03:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Because awesome.--Łô√ë îğá†ħŕášħ 20:37, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

--Łô√ë îğá†ħŕášħ 17:29, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

STOP BREAKING MY GLORIOUS HEADER, GIGA!One!1. Thank you politly. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 17:45, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * *politely nearly-6-month-late frivolous typo correction, GO! &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Season 2
Season 2 had awesome songs, and the finale had the best! Originals: This Day Aria and Love is in Bloom. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 15:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I loved the This Day Aria, although the very ending was a bit weak. Could have benefited from a real villain laugh from Chrysalis. Random aside: Why does everypony insist on referring to her as Princess Chrysalis? SHE'S A QUEEN.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 14:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd guess because people are used to calling Celestia and Luna princesses that it's hard to accept the presence of any sort of queen? I dunno, I don't have a problem with it. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 18:00, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

== O, this is just too good to be true! I get to catch the pony men (yes, plural) off guard. Yeah, I know that I really should be studying, but then again, pestering pony men > organic chemistry anytime. ==

So, CONGRATULATIONS!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! And give a big kiss and hugg to the Zillas running (or crawling) around your house. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 07:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yay, I got an Arnout header! Best. Present. Ever. :P
 * Crawling? No, the kid is definitely running... and hopping... and skipping... and very very VERY addicted to ponies.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Congaturatsu Doctoru Ishumaelu! --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 16:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Happy birthday, Dr. Ishmapony. --Vipermagi 17:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Free ubercharges for everpony!--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 17:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hope you've a good day. :) User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.png A F K When Needed  18:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * WHOOPS I was almost late to the party, good thing I brought cookies. Who doesn't like cookies?  Seriously, they'll forget I was almost late in no time.  Did I mention the cookies were in the shape of flutershy? ∵Scythe∵ 01:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * WHOOPS I was almost late to the party, good thing I brought cookies. Who doesn't like cookies?  Seriously, they'll forget I was almost late in no time.  Did I mention the cookies were in the shape of flutershy? ∵Scythe∵ 01:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm probably late, but Happy Birthday! Hope you had a good one. &rarr; [[Image:Dark.Morelia.sig.jpg|link=User_talk:Dark Morelia]] Dark Morelia  02:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Happy B-day. Hope they don't get into too much trouble. Mine loves boxes and other items more than toys... I have no more markers or pens to write with... or even mark my dvds with.... Magic eraser (mr. clean one) works wonders with that... Anyway, enjoy loads of cake! 72.148.31.114 02:57, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday, ish! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 06:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sheez, my header didn't even break your ToC! I'm highly dissapointed. I had no clue how old the former babyzilla was. She sounds just like my nieces, exept for the fact they don't like MLP, for wich I thank the heavens. I have to baby (not really) sit them, occasionaly. And yes, I am going to keep whining about it, Naz. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 16:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Feedback
Hello! I want to thank you for everything you have done for the Guild Wiki. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Tesla, a wiki manager for Curse. The reason I am posting on your talk page is for some feedback. I was hoping you could tell me if there was something you would like to see on the wiki or if you think there is something we could do to help improve the quality of our service to the community. If you have any ideas at all, please feel free to stop by on my talk page and leave me your thoughts. Thank you! Tesla 03:36, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I've had more than one account, what do?
I tried really hard, and eventually I thought of something. My head hurts.

Will the userspace clean-up lead to relevant members of the community ditching their former identities? I'm wondering if my first two talk page archives will be wiped - in which case I'd go ahead and remove the links to them (...in my userspace).

This isn't something I have a problem with (I'd actually rather like it), but I just wanted to ask since my wandering around the wiki has yet to yield a definitive answer. Or any answer. A F K When Needed 03:44, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

dpl
I noticed this dpl error in Main_Page/editcopy... it says, "'Extension DPL (warning): current configuration allows execution of DPL code from protected pages only.'" for login announcments. Ariyen 19:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Main Page
Can we update it with the Edit copy to include the flux? Ariyen 21:15, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Fellow travelers
What happens if ANet hasn't done the easiest thing and randomized the original cycle? While that's likely (and makes updating the this-week's-location-template as simple as renaming 137 files), I am willing to bet that it's going to be more complicated:
 * 1) Some locations were bugged, mostly due to WiK. It's not clear whether ANet fixed the root cause or kludged things.
 * 2) Some appearances had other issues (Nick's orientation or nearby foes).
 * 3) Some farms were probably more grinding than ANet anticipated (e.g. most of the djinn-related drops).
 * 4) In the one situation in which Nick appeared twice (Arbor Bay), he was moved (for reasons that are unclear; there didn't appear to be an issue with the original location, aside from it happening two years two soon).

So, it might be worth some thought into how the automagic widgets can be ready for a new location/placement/request, while at the same time re-using the original cycle's data (for when the only thing changing is the rotation). I'm worried what happens if there is a change and you're not around; regular contributors would have to kludge the map names or other data.

Traveler template
What was wrong with how it displayed before? Having something ask if you want to update even when the info is already there looks like a mess.

PS Nice work moving all the maps in such a short time. -- Kirbman 04:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the old version of the template was based on the Property:Traveler index (calculated based on the original date that Nick visited each area) and assumed that Nick would repeat in order, just like the Zquests and everything else. Unfortunately, he appears to have been randomized, so we can't use any sort of prediction/cycle template.
 * On the other hand, we already know all the items he collects and where he will collect them, so I just switched the template to be keyed off of Nick's current location instead of a date-based cyclical index. (Now that I think of it, using item name would've made the SMW code a bit simpler, but this works too.)
 * So now we just have to update Nick's location every Monday. I didn't have time to write out complicated date-parsing code to make that link only appear on Mondays or something like that, but if you want to, go ahead.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 04:52, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * can you help me fix my traveler information on User:Ariyen/Schedule please? 72.148.31.114 01:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Armor Galleries Guidelines
The our style guidelines recommends using 95% compression. This resulted in a very blocky 9K image file (158 x 211 pixels). 5% compression results in a 25K file that looks pretty good. Please let me know if I am interpreting the guide incorrectly, I probably won't get the Festive Winter Hood Gallery up until later this morning. Separ 06:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * That's because someone wrote the word "compression" when they meant "quality", lemme go fix that. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:24, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Mainpage - current events new format
I have long supported and continue to support Guildwiki. The new format for current events ==> I HATE it. I have the wiki set as my home browser page (for the last 4 years or so) primarily because of the usefulness of the current events. I preferred it even more when the page had more upcoming history then just the one day. Without the information that was previously on the page at load, the wiki is useless as my homepage. Please consider a revert to the older format, and add the flux if you like too, but it was superior information to the way it currently reads for the current events, and was definitely superior to the thieving official wiki too.--ShmEk 00:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * If you want upcoming events, use Daily forecast (linked from the "Daily" subheader), which shows stuff up to 7 days ahead, instead of only the 1 day that was on the Main Page. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 01:02, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

GW - prefix
I reckon it may be worth removing that notification. It's still mentioned when you incorrectly type your password.

What d'ya think? :)  A F K When Needed  16:41, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably. It was already outdated before we left Wikia.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:02, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

User:Gregory7
I didn't want to step it up, and place a ban template on his user and talk page. Did he trigger any filters, or was one look at the page enough to ban him? If that is the case, I won't hesitate the next time...


 * Just curious ;-)

Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 19:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * When an account is created and the first and only thing it does (over a span of 5 hours) is to create a spam article, I tend to treat it as a cut-and-dry matter. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 20:13, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Okies. Thanks! Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 23:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

AGF!
Whatever happened to that policy, you seem to ignore it often. 75.139.200.145 00:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I already explained my reasoning above. How could anyone assume good faith on that?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 00:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Ish did the appropriate thing on that user. I don't get what he did "wrong", if it was me (thankfully not) I'd done the same. A user who edits, showing or doing any type of "vandalism" like spamming external sites, etc. . Should be dealt with accordingly. :-) Ariyen 06:59, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * He's talking about these edits. First, both 75.139 and Ariyen technically broke 1RV, but whatever. Secondly, I just did the quest too and he just passed through other mobs without an aggression towards them. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 13:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * After doing the quests on many a character yesterday, I didn't see Lispy attack the other naga. It was likely a glitch if it did happen. Jink  14:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. I thought the anon was referring to the issue discussed above.  It's hard to know what you're talking about when you fail to make it clear what you are referring to.
 * In that case, AGF does not apply. AGF only applies if the intent of the edit is unclear.  In this case, the intent was clear - the user thought they were adding useful information to the page.  I didn't have a problem with that.  The problem is that the information is factually wrong, and has now been confirmed to be wrong by Ariyen, Naz, and Jink.
 * Ariyen - don't break 1RV just because someone else broke 1RV. Reverting a revert doesn't make it right.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wha, cant revert someone, when more than one are not seeing him attack? (Well, who would of removed it?) :-( how's that 1rv?... applied to page? or person? thought it'd be for person... I'm soooo confused... kinda wanna cry out of not getting it/understanding. *sigh* Ariyen 19:02, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "The revert rule applies to the article, not the person." Any attempt to "fix" a page after someone breaks 1RV is simply breaking 1RV again and is the easiest way to start a revert war.  Instead, the matter should be referred to an admin/bcrat to resolve in their "official" capacity, at which point they would warn the 1RV-breaker(s) that any further reverts will result in a block.
 * Granted, we don't often enforce 1RV to the letter, precisely due to the "I was just trying to help!" defense that you used here. Your intentions may be good, but that doesn't mean they won't lead to even more trouble in the end ("the road to hell..." and all that).  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 19:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. then on that note, yes I unintentionally broke it. I did respond to the ip on my talk what I'd do, which is consult support or anet on the forums. Kinda feel it might be a bug for that one, though dunno how either. Ty for explaining this to me. Ariyen 19:37, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There, I left a note on the other anon's page about it. Will that mollify you?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * My name isn't Molly, it's Rask. hahaha 75.139.200.145 07:54, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I knew that, and I've been trying to treat you with respect this time. But as always, you're making it extremely difficult for yourself.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:54, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really, I went out and tested it myself, couldn't get him to attack any other naga. As for frostmaws, you don't need the quest to get through the first floor, you don't even need the quest to get the quest reward at the end of the dungeon, it automatically gets put in your log when you kill frostmaw marked as "completed". Also if you DON'T take the quest then there are no snowballs in the final floor. 75.139.200.145 19:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Then could you please explain how that works? &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 19:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Rask, if you just said that you couldn't get him to attack any other naga... Then why are you posting this? "*This creature appears to be hostile to the nearby naga mobs." ? *confused* 72.148.31.114 19:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried not taking the quest and I couldn't get past the first floor. The door was shut. Were you partied with other players at the time who may have had the quest? Jink  21:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It was another anon that actually added that. Rask did the frostmaws edit though. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 23:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't say the door was open. I simply said the quest is not required to finish the first floor. It's possible to walk through the door with certain tactics, as we don't post exploits/bugs on the wiki I simply added a note that it wasn't possible by legitimate means but in no way is it impossible. As for the snake boss, I reverted it and then tested it later and couldn't reproduce the issue. 75.139.200.145 23:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Since we're back to talking about the Frostmaw issue directly, I've detoured this discussion back over there. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 00:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't hate me because I'm funny.
An older friend of mine created this, and as a parent who enjoys the show, I was wondering your opinion on it.--Łô√ë <font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 17:50, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Connection: (my favorite remix of it, anyway)


 * I'll read that after lunch. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You win a muffin. Congratulations. It's double chocolate.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 18:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yay, double chocolate muffin! *nomnom* *diabetes*  Awww....
 * Looks good. The only thing I'd change is to say that most of the episodes end with a letter to the princess, but that may be unnecessary nitpicking given the intended audience.
 * Also, I would add Dragonshy to the list of recommended episodes. Similar to Ticket Master, it features the full Mane 6 and does a good job of demonstrating their personalities and interactions.  And it has a dragon.  Admittedly, it's one of the less-common "adventure" episodes, so it might give a false impression of what the rest of the show is like.  But it has a dragon.
 * And I probably wouldn't recommend Applebuck Season. For some reason, Applejack is usually brilliant as a supporting character (Sisterhooves Social), but when an episode focuses on her, she turns into Stubbornjack, and I wouldn't want people to have that as their first impression of the character.  (For the same reason, I wouldn't use Party of One, Lesson Zero, etc. to introduce people.  They'd definitely be top of the list for people who want to see more after their "first taste," but said taste should be well-rounded with plenty of umami, rather than excessively sour or peppery.)  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 19:01, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * My personal favourite will always remain "Bridle Gossip", plus I think it's also appropriate for this document. It shows all of the mane six, the great humour and the (strong) moral lesson. And I kind of agree with AJ turning into a stubborn mule when an episode is centred around her, which is a shame because she's my favourite. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 11:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I think one would need to be somewhat familiar with the characters to fully appreciate the Poison Joke gags in Bridle Gossip, but that's not a huge problem. Maybe as a second episode after Ticket Master/Dragonshy.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:46, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Bridle gossip was the one that originally got me hooked on the series, with the prefect delivery of the "I don't wanna talk about it" (still gets me every time :D ). I suppose you do have a point, you should know a bit more about the characters to fully appreciate the poison joke's effects. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 17:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Beyond
I've added Imperial Guard Lockbox as a Winds of Change package b/c that's how I think of it. Royal Gift is a better exemplar of why using some sort of Beyond designation is appropriate:
 * RGs aren't Core because owning factions doesn't give you access to get your own.
 * They aren't Prophecies because you must own EotN (and vice-versa).
 * Therefore, they are Beyond...more specifically, they are War in Kryta items (since you must get far enough through that campaign to get your own).

However, as you know, I don't really contribute here anymore so I don't want you to give too much weight to my views in deciding how this wiki should treat items from Beyond. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Beyond is better. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 20:36, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of specifying which part of Beyond things belong to rather than just saying "Beyond", which isn't very helpful to players who only have access to certain parts of GWB. Also, whatever we decide, please make sure that Property:Campaign reflects that. --[[Image:Kirbman sig.png]] Kirbman 03:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * PS Off topic, thanks for fixing my date typo earlier today. --[[Image:Kirbman sig.png]] Kirbman 03:56, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Come to a dissicion quick, I might start editing a few WoC pages soon. As soon as I finish my ele on NM, and get on with it on my warrior. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 11:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * For categories, yes, we should definitely distinguish between War in Kryta and Winds of Change. For navboxes, if there are multiple items from each, then do it like Template:RewardTrophiesNavBox (with Beyond as a rowspanned super-header).  If there's only 1 or 2, spreading them over multiple rows would leave too much blank space, I'd think.  I seem to remember seeing something like this on Wikipedia:


 * For the property, I don't know. I guess there's really no harm in splitting up Beyond, but on the other hand, taking it into too fine detail could limit the usefulness and dilute the meaning of "campaign."  Meh, I think I'll let you guys decide on that one.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 16:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll just use what ever I see fit then ;-) Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 18:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much for the addition to the site notice. So many seem to want to only include themselves and their friends, to not really include others. I noticed this not just in game, but abroad and I applaud those, including you, for taking the time out to share the "announcement" and news with all of those that are interested in Guild Wars 2. Be it a fan of Guild Wars, a new person, etc. Anyone that has an interest to check it out, would and should have a chance - or at least an attempt of a chance. I have been grateful for the betas of some games, even those that so many wanted to join, but didn't get to. Some were mad, but I was like and told them that it'd better to be grateful to those that got lucky and got in to try the beta and to wait for their turn and hope they get in for the beta, before things change. I know with Perfect World and a few of their games, they did 4 stages of closed beta with different groups, before they did open beta. Then it was open to the public within a week or two of the open beta. I am curious as to how ArenaNet would do their closed beta, considering they are planning in adding more to what I call the third phase. Again, thank you for your kindness. It does mean a lot to people. Ariyen 08:45, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "So many seem to want to only include themselves and their friends, to not really include others" Excuse me, was that a stab at me? I was in the middle of an adrenaline rush/nerdgasm, I barely remembered to put anything here, and I simply forgot about the sitenotice, so my talk page seemed like the best place to me at the time.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 10:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Uh. Yeah, sure.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 13:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it wasn't a stab at you El Nazgir. There's no names and I refer to some that are "closed minded" to not include more of a "variety" of areas of people, like I named. There are many that's looking for this, even non-gw players and gw players alike. Hope you understand :-) Ariyen 18:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, sorry then. It seemed a bit related to the talk of the fact that I didn't put it in the site notice.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 19:37, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I just saw your edit summary for the first time.
 * Well played, Sir. User A F K When Needed Signature Icon.png A F K When Needed  21:13, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Inquiry
I have an Aegis of Clarity given to me by husband, whom had this dropped by an Elite ministry Captain in WoC. Though, I haven't even finished any of Chapter one, nor gotten that far. I don't know how to add this to a page. :-S I can upload two pictures of it. One with the stats and the other of the picture to use. I am quite unsure how to add this one to the wiki, hence posting here for advice. I'm clueless to WoC and this being a WoC green drop item... I just thought I'd post what I do know and see the results, being unsure about something is why I've not done anything. (And yes thankfully that rc spam of elites is now complete and I do apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused.) Ariyen 05:44, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Just make an article for it like a normal green(?) item. Categories or whatever can be adjusted later.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 06:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Template broken
Hi, I can't find the error in this template: Template:Zaishen forecast/Bounty/next. Maybe you gonna take a look at it? Kaede (talk) 22:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No clue what changed, but I had to tweak both the offset and the substring length that you pull. Does it work for you? --JonTheMon 01:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Now it's fine again! Thanks! Kaede (talk) 02:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Need help
I am trying to delete Editing User:Suplyndmnd, this is me. My account was hacked and i'm having to tighten up security which means, not having my characters names out in the open. THank you.


 * Since this was for security reasons, I decided to trust you rather than waiting on you to verify your identity. However, you may now want to do the same thing for your user page on GW@Wikia, and if you could do that while logged in to Wikia, I would count that as verification for this site as well.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:05, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Mainpage flux icon help
Hi Ishmael, I cannot revert on the mainpage. The only edit I made was the size of the icon for flux to set it to 25px, but somehow my editor or page is affecting the entire table. After (undo) for my edit, the mainpage forecast section is retaining the table sizes being moved around. Very sorry, and I'll keep my hands out of there.--ShmEk 17:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Must have been my browser? I just went back to the mainpage and it looks okay after my undo now.  I was freaking out there at messing something up.  I'm not touching that icon again, but think it would be nice to have them all the same size and found that 25px seems to work good on that one.--ShmEk 17:02, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The main page itself is protected from editing by non-admins. The edit links take you to Main Page/editcopy, where people can make proposals for changes.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Amazon Embed coding question
I was just wondering if you knew of a way to stop embedded amazon videos from autoplaying. The autostart parameter in both the object and embed codes are set to false, but it is still playing automagically.--Łô√ë <font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 14:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know much about embeds, sorry. I assume it would be a parameter set in the source URI for the object, but it sounds like you've already tried that.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been working on this for five days. I finally got it to work. The parameter was in the url. THE PARAMETER WAS IN THE URL. If I wasn't in my cubicle right now and my boss was having a quite conversation with a coworker I would throw something across the room.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 15:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * So, I was right? Wow, that was just a guess. And if you must throw anything, throw a party. With confetti. And cake. And games. And booze. And games with booze. ...What were we talking about?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 15:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

SMW
Do you recall where the discussions about SMW were here? Also, if you have some neat examples of how you replaced DPL with SMW, that might also help with getting it on GW2W. --JonTheMon 18:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Er, i found the "discussions" which were a lot of PanSola talking and not much response back.


 * Hah, that was the very first time anyone tried doing something with SMW here. Yeah, it kinda flopped because no one was interested and Pan didn't feel like doing it if no one wanted it.
 * This was the spark that resurrected the idea, unfortunately the discussion is heavily colored by my "feud" with mendel so my comments probably don't make a good impression. ^^; DPL just wasn't able to do what we needed with Nick, so I came up with an SMW scheme to store the metadata on the item pages (date, quantity, location) by adding semantics to the item infobox, and then use semantic queries to get the current week's collection (used on Nick's page and the Main Page) and Nick's historical table.
 * As a direct result of that, I completely overhauled the item infobox, and we had some good discussions about how to set up and manage semantic properties of items. I had wanted to continue overhauling all the infoboxes, but the only one I actually finished was Template:LocationInfo before the lack of activity here started to drain my enthusiasm.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 20:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I like smw over dpl, it seems like less work to me. Ariyen 01:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there anything you know of where DPL can do something that SMW can't? --JonTheMon 21:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * DPL is more flexible for category queries. Unless the newer versions of SMW have changed this, pages in subcategories of a queried are included by default and there is no syntax to disable that, and you can't apply a not condition to a category query in SMW. DPL can also query information about a page's revisions too. A quick-and-dirty explanation I've used before for the different strengths and weaknesses of each is that SMW works best for querying information from pages, while DPL is far better at querying information about pages (or to put it another way, it's better whene you need to query metadata.) <font color="#999999">&mdash; Eyes [[Image:User-Eyes-Sig.png|link=User talk:Eyes]] 21:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think Eyes nailed it. DPL can access all sorts of wiki-level data about a page, like number of revisions, size, original/last contributor, creation time, what pages it links to (and inverse), what templates it uses, etc.  This makes it useful for generating lists like "pages in namespace X with the oldest current revisions."  (SMW can also access some of this information - creation date, last modification date, and last editor.)  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 22:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)