Talk:Trophy

renaming to "Collectable Drop", soliciting final oppositions
As stated in the discussion of Category talk:Collector Items, I want to find a less ambiguous term. Since the name "Collector Item" isn't used by the game, it's non-standard anyways, and I plan to make Collector Item a disambiguation for Collectable Drop vs Collector Reward. Originally I thought about renaming to "Collectable Item", but Rainith brought up another potential case of ambiguity, so I decided to go with "Drop" instead of "Item". If no one speaks up (I already suggested "Collectable Drop" over at Category talk:Collector Items 2 days ago), I'm going to make the change Monday night Pacific time. If you think you have a better name that also avoids ambiguity, post it! --PanSola 19:52, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, I guess I'll mention this before you go to all the work of changing this.
 * Is this necessary? We have our defination of what a Collector Item is, so how much does it matter what other people might call it?  It seems to me that it would be easier (possibly better, that's a matter of opinion) in the long run for us to come up with terms for what other people might confuse with collector items (I would suggest Collector Rewards, Collector Armor, Collector Weapons, etc...) and define them, put those articles in Category:Slang & Terminology and move on from there?
 * I'm still not opposed to changing the name, but I think it might be more work than it is worth, when we could solve the problem with a few small articles. --Rainith 12:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * To me, it matters because the term itself is ambiguous, and people get to the wrong page to find out this is not the article they want (honestly, most people I know (which is admittably a tiny sample set) consider Collector Items to mean the rewards, not the drops). And I feel awkward putting disambiguation notes at the top of real articles blah blah.  If you look at Collector Item Reward Template, you will also notice the original author of that article uses "Collector Item Reward" and "Collector Item" interchangably.  That the term really has ambiguity built into it.  From the way the English language work, it is easy for many people to consider "Items" as a superset of "Armor" and "Weapons".


 * Blah, I guess my point is, we should just have names that not ambiguous to start with, instead of creating ambiguous articles and inside those articles tell people where to find the other thing the article name could've meant. Kind of like why we have Domination Magic (Attribute) vs Domination Magic (Quest), instead of having just naming the attribute one "Domination Magic" and at the top of that article say "If you are looking for the quest named Domination Magic, click this link." -PanSola 16:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * It is ambiguous, and will probably always be so because the game does not give a specific name to these items (like it does for Domination Magic, both of them). Which is why in the article Collector Item we very specifcally define what it is.  As for the template you talked about, that has lain fallow since it was created, and has (to my knowledge) never actually been used.
 * More to the point, where would people get the confusion from? Would they go to Category:Collector Items and say, "Ooh, where's the collector that will give me the Alpine Seeds?"  Before a large change is made, are you certain that it should be made?  The only confusion I've seen recently has been over what the defination of a Salvage Item is.
 * Note: if any of the above sounds like I'm trying to come down on you, please don't take it that way. I just want to make sure that if a change is made to something that has been around this way for half a year or so, we're sure that it is the right change to make.  --Rainith 16:57, 21 November 2005 (UTC)