User talk:Quizzical/Defense Wins

Offense FTW
If defense is so important, and offense only a second thought, then why do Ursan builds now rule the game. And yeah, I also think there is too much Ursan in the game, so let's not start that rant. Still Ursan is a purely offensive form. Add healing, and nothing stops it. You don't win by defense; you win by killing. Consider also that there is no better defense than dead opponents. If you find you need more defense, then either your healing is not what it should be - fix your monks - or you understanding of what entails a good offense is lacking. You do seem to believe that offense is nothing more than damage. This is most untrue. I have completed the entire game, done all missions (and dungeons) on Normal Mode (that's what the game calls it!) and hard mode, and have also vanquished most of the areas. All done solo, with heroes and henchies. There is no area that can't be resoundingly beaten by a good offense. - Havoc   (Talk|Contribs) 11:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, in the current PvP Meta, you need quite some sick defense in order to not get an exploded Monk. Didn't read the article, tbh, so dunno if it was specific to PvE... And Ursan wins cause it gives you an AoE KD, armor ignoring spammable dmg for offense. And for defense? 20 armor, 200 hp and a SHITLOAD of Weakness. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  11:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The article was PVE specific. And despite your excellent points on Ursan, it is the most offensive oriented skill group in the game.  AoE KD's are offensive, not defensive.  Knocking someone on their butt in real life will earn you an assault charge. It also does AOE damage. The weakness also gives nearby allies a bonus on their attacks, so it is both defensive and offensive. And 150 armour ignouring damage anyone? repeatabel evere few seconds?  That is why people run Ursan. For the offense. Or do you see alot of Ursan's hiding at the back of the party? - Havoc    (Talk|Contribs) 12:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Why it is ran != Why it is good. Flare is ran too, but it isn't good. It is good because it has both a crapload of offense, and defense. I'm not disagreeing with you, just stating Ursan also has defense. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]--  (s)talkpage  12:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. I didn't actually want to argue that point, since it obviously has some defensive value. That is also not the point to my post, it was about the value of offense ingame. Why is it, that when you write the word "Ursan" on this wiki, people see only that one word? Havoc    (Talk|Contribs) 12:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting to note is that, in HM elite missions, Ursan groups epicfail for the exact reasons you mentioned: No matter their massive damage, most Ursans are casters who, even with the bonus from Ursan, are squishy. If you don't do some serious defense, the HM mobs eat through ursans faster than the ursans do. But then I have to say, this only has to do with stupid ursans. I guess, ultimately, what you need isn't really offense or defense, but a strategy to use whatever offense or defense you choose to bring.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea  [Talk]  15:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)