User talk:R.Phalange/Archive 1

Well hello there, Lebanese political party! 23:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Well hello there, obscure Friends reference! Banjthulu is better than you 23:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The clever one got it right. --R.Phalange 00:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Regina, to be precise. [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 02:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * D: -- Dr R. Phalange 02:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's be honest though, Regina Phalange is an ok pseudonym, but nothing can compare to Dr. Van Nostrand. [[Image:Banjulhu icon.png|50x19px]] Banjthulu  is better than you 02:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Anastasia Beaverhausen? -- Dr R. Phalange 02:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You've got me, Banj. I have no idea who Van Nostrand may be. [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 02:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Kramer (from Seinfeld). [[Image:Banjulhu icon.png|50x19px]]  Banjthulu  is better than you 02:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Pfft. Art Vandelay > Anastasia Beaverhausen (Will and Grace was an ok show I guess though).  [[Image:Banjulhu icon.png|50x19px]]  Banjthulu  is better than you 02:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm all out of pseudonyms... -- Dr R. Phalange 02:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I am pleased to point out Friends was the only prime-time sitcom I watched regularly. :] [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 02:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Frasier wasn't bad, although I can't quote from it as I can Friends. -- Dr R. Phalange 02:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw an episode of that. There was a weight-loss competition; somehow, Frasier's team ended up gaining five pounds, to which a befuddled Frasier said, "How could that happen?  I added a salad to every meal!" [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 02:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I (vaguely) remember that episode. Those were the good old days... there's only rubbish on nowadays. -- Dr R. Phalange 02:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you a Doctor
Doctor. Are you? - b.r // talk  11:55, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's just another reference. -- Dr R. Phalange 12:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Google it doesnt work :[ &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 12:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Make sure you're on Google first. -- Dr R. Phalange 12:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Googling it doesnt work even when on google, I cant find answers nor can blue &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 12:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Search "notepad command prompt" - should answer number 1. -- Dr R. Phalange 12:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

hey
thats stupid. king george is lame. and in america we speak american. go back to england you bad man.23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)&mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ cool tildies
 * Your mom's a bad man. -- Dr R. Phalange 23:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah well you're not a real doctor! and you touched me funny!&mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, you said you liked that.. -- Dr R. Phalange 00:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Warning; drunk Jews on talk page. Approach with caution. - Auron 00:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's nice that you give us a warning about yourself whenever you appear; thanks, Auron. -- Dr R. Phalange 00:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm actually not drunk just very ADHD Might be drunk ;ater. Also, Auron is hot btw. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 00:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Ohai
Clever. Thanks <3 --- -- (s)talkpage  14:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I find that in the docs, log on, want to add NEWSECTIONLINK because I've noticed yesterday the page could need it, and find you've beaten me to it. Next time I'll be the fast one! --mendel 21:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: entropy-bureacrat
Sorry.. I didnt knew that. And i couldnt find anything wich said: CLOSED. ShadyGuy 10:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was at the top of the page.. I just copied and pasted that :P -- Dr R. Phalange 15:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

They throw a boner at them
That discussion on Pvx was so fucking epic.. --- -- (s)talkpage  15:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I am curious
Why do you feel the need to antagonize me at every turn? What drives your malevolence? Pray offer me your insight, for I fear I am quite in the dark. 16:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd assume that its the same reason you have for antagonising me, and apparently Hellbringer. But hey, who gives? We're all only human. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What? You mean my response on Suicidal Tendencie's talk page? I was referring to the "hard time" given to Gravewit. -- Dr R. Phalange 16:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

blocked
You know why. - Auron 10:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

you can't just
ask for welcome backs. But, uh, welcome back. 18:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

thanks
I fail at spelling today )-: -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 21:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm constructive and doesn't afraid. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  22:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrats
On your promotion. Don't forget to add yourself to this.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 04:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats and whatnot. [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  09:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

In time honoured fashion
Whoru? Lord of all tyria 12:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. I'll start out with my reasoning for creating this account. GuildWiki hates GWW. That's something that I've seen on user talk pages throughout the wiki. I think I've even seen that said verbatim. I contributed here, for a little while, as User:Brains12. While I tried to merge myself into the community, I found it wasn't the most easiest. Perhaps something lingered from when Marcopolo47 came onto GWW and I notified him about the signature policy; I remember some wikidrama coming out in regards to his ability to be an admin here, and also "shaming" GuildWiki by acting as he did there. I'm not really one to care deeply about what other people think about me, but when it affects the ability to join a wiki (whether intended or inadvertently, directly or indirectly), I don't see another choice but to either not contribute atll, or create another pseudonym. (Note that I'm not saying that was the only reason; it was primarily being a GWW user or someone who had already established a "reputation" elsewhere. I'm sure you can see the irony here, but anyway, carrying on...) For a while, I did the former. I often came over to read the latest happenings, but it was only recently -- what with Entropy's bureaucrat page and GuildWiki being more... let's say, eventful, than GWW was at that moment -- that I created another account. I planned, and did at the beginning, to use it as just a replacement of my other account -- it wasn't to use maliciously, disruptively, or even to do what I would not do with my "normal" account. It was purely a replacement, just without any status from somewhere else. However, certain events occurred where this account became useful in being involved in other situations; call it a cliché, but things went a little downhill. My overall intent, however, stayed the same. It was just another account. I didn't plan to log into Brains12 again, nor did I plan to create another account. So I wouldn't even call it sockpuppetting, but simply renaming my account with the extra advantages that come with a brand new account. Did I let it go too far? Perhaps, but after being blocked, I chose to stick to my original intent a little harder. Anyway, some more things happened and that led to my prospective sysopping here. Even I thought that was a little weird, but I was more than willing to serve here as I do on GWW. Take that as you will. What I want to make clear though is that I don't want this to make more drama, not here nor in GWW. I do intend to continue contributing to both wikis. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  18:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Lord of all tyria 18:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Afterthought: Congratulations. Lord of all tyria 18:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, congrats Plingggggg, I suppose. However late I am --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Brains12 - or should I say R.Phalange now? Congratulations on your sysoption! Don't forget to add yourself to the Administrator information page. I am sorry that I was one who doubted, and closed the RfA as failed as a result. But like most everyone, I was ignorant of who you were really. I understand your reasons for making a new account and I think they are valid - however, I must say that had I seen "Requests for Adminship:Brains12" instead, I would have been all support! (And I think others would have been too.) So it's a double edged sword. ;) I've always thought you were a good or even great sysop on GWW, and even though "people change" from Wiki to Wiki, I think yours was one for the better. So I have no qualms about you being a sysop here, and I think you'll do just great. Although as you say, the process was "a little weird", I hope people can try and get over that. The important thing is that we have a new good sysop.

Your comments about GuildWiki-GWW relations sting, since personally I have always tried my best to foster harmony/friendship/at least some level of respect on this end, whenever the issue came up. I know that I could have tried harder, and I admit that in the much earlier days I was just one of the crowd who hated GWW with a passion. But especially after Wikia bought us, I came to realize that that was just patriotism rearing its ugly head...it can be good for building up a community, but in cases like this is can also be very destructive. It becomes hard to foster outside respect if you treat others with contempt! Like Auron said, we are tied at the waist to Wikia, so we may as well make the best of it - that is my thoughts exactly, and it carries to GWW also. GuildWiki and GWW have always been intimately related to each other, as much as they have fought. Ultimately, it behooves GuildWiki (as the underdog) to realize that the success of GWW is mutually beneficial for both Wikis, and vice versa. Sadly this message gets lost with fearmongering of "competition" etc. and the lingering distrust left by Gravewit of outside forces. But I think people come to realize a bit of the truth when, for example, users say they would move to GW2W for Guild Wars 2 rather than some new Wikia "GuildWiki 2" (this is an issue we had awhile back). Ah well. Hopefully your sysoption will be a step towards rebuilding those bridges which were wantonly burnt long ago. I wish you luck. :) (T/C) 07:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I see that you don't care for spam either. I appreciate that, and it makes me all the more satisfied with your being sysop :) but will give you fair warning that it's pretty hopeless battle here and now. I ultimately gave up fighting it since I had no one supporting me either. I hope you can succeed where I have failed. (T/C) 09:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well thank you, Entropy. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I guess the thought of "what I/we would have done differently" is somewhat of a moot point now, unless of course we can use it to improve something for the future. I won't be writing a walloftext in response to your walloftext, people have got enough reading to do for now :/. I can see that opposing spam here is like opposing ice-cream in an ice-cream parlour (...don't ask why I used that analogy), but one must hope that things change... especially if that thing is harming the wiki. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  10:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Woah WAIT
You changed names partially cuz of ME on a bad day?!? I was acting like an immature bitch, and you had the right to put me in my place, and I'm kind of glad you did. I shouldn't of been posting on that day anyway (my gf had just broken up with me, and I was PISSED). So yeah... sorry I made you feel that you had to hide your identity. Oh and congrats on the adminship, I'm certain (now that I know who you are) that you'll make a great sysop. -- (Talk) (Contr.) 11:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well it wasn't directly because of you, but generally because of the after-effects plus the ongoing... shall we call it, hostility between the two wikis. I know that you didn't intend for anything like that, so there's no "bad blood" or anything.
 * Thanks, although (again with the hindsight) we shouldn't be having the "now that I know who you are" in the first place; that's my error, but I have no time machine, so meh.
 * Wikis are indeed srs bsns. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  11:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. The past is the past, and there's no more secret as to who you are.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 11:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Um

 * 1) (Settings log); 11:59 . . R.Phalange (Talk | contribs | block) (set the Skin to "Default")

I simply added my email address. What caused that? -- R  Phalange  11:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Unless it is some Wikia thing which I do not know about, adding a valid e-mail addrss has caused your account to be "really registered". Therefore you are now using the "Default" Wiki skin instead of whatever the anon users see. At least I think that's what it is... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I can see nothing different to the skin, and the Admin Options section in my preferences (under the Skin tab) implies that I can set the skin for everyone else ("Set the default theme for this wiki"), and not just that I use the skin. I don't see why adding an email address should change that. There's nothing like that on GWW, so it would be a Wikia thing. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  11:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, so that's what it is...yeah. I am guessing that since the menu is defaulted to "Default", when you hit "Save" to preferences it counts as you administratively setting the skin to Default. Thus it shows to the "Settings Log" (which I never knew existed). It must be a recent Wikia change, since none of the other admins in the past triggered such RC message. Although, looking at that log, it seems on the 24th Dr Ishmael also set it off. Perhaps that is the day he added his e-mail? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I've had my email in my preferences since the day after I created an account here. The only thing I did on the 24th was to update my Editing preferences (turned on "Do not show link suggest").  Why that triggered the site-wide skin settings I have no idea.  Maybe this needs to be reported to Wikia as a bug?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 14:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It occurs whenever a sysop/bcrat changes his/her prefs. We've had this problem on the GWGuilds wiki; whenever a Sysop edited their prefs, MediaWiki:Sitedefault would be altered or created. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  14:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm... yeah, I would say it does need to be reported to Wikia; one could inadvertently change the wiki-wide skin settings while changing something minor. Whether it's a bug I don't know, but it probably isn't a good idea. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  14:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I spoke to wikia about the bug about a week ago, Sannse informed that she was going to get the IT guys on it; apparently it is a bug and she is frusturated that it is not fixed yet. -- Shadowphoenix  16:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I assume that applies to all of their wikis. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]]  Phalange  16:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

straw men
You wrote on XasXas256's talk page: "the only arguments for Auron's demotion are coming from you and Mendel (arguments compiled of slippery slopes and strawmen, might I add)". I can't remember calling for Auron's demotion, although I must admit if Auron was to be demoted my arguments would provide a good rationale. Why do you make it appear as if I was calling for that? Why do you make it appear that Xasxas and I are alone in our thinking when Dr Ishmael and Felix have explicitly supported us on that very page? And lastly, please point out to me where the slippery slopes and strawmen are I am supposed to have used. I do not consciously use those kinds of arguments. --◄mendel► 18:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The majority and the most reasoned of arguments against Auron were coming from you and Xasxas -- of course, there were more people who agreed with those arguments, but I generally saw that the majority of the arguments themselves were from the two of you. I may have hastily generalised (lol lol fallacy) Xasxas and you in the "demote Auron" category, but the arguments were implied in going towards that direction (whether it be directly demoting him, or punishing him in another way). Also, skimming through the wallsoftext -
 * Slippery slope -- "Does this mean we should give any GWW sysops sysop rights here as well without question? What other wikis do we also accept? PvX? Other Wikia wikis? Friends of Auron's on wikis with no ties whatsoever? "
 * Strawman or otherwise less-than-relevant/logical points -- ""Tradition does not make something right". Well, actually, it often does, especially when there is no written law, many legal systems uphold "traditional law". It is the "primal" law, if you will.", "but I suspect that Auron wants sysops that administrate the editors of this wiki to behave like the editors on GWW or Pvxwiki. ", "Bureaucrats are not the only people with a vested interest in this wiki", "Why do only bureaucrats have good ideas?", "If we agree that Auron made a myriad of mistakes in his handling of R.Phalange's RFA then should we also agree that it's important to take steps to try to preventing it from happening again in future?" (i.e. it's happened this one time, so it is doomed for something similar to happen again and will end if Auron is demoted.), "There is no history on the GWiki of promoting someone with a handful of edits to a sysop because of their actions on another wiki or because they're a friend of a bureaucrat," (i.e. it hasn't happened before, so it shouldn't happen now.)
 * -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  14:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't forget about User:Quizzical. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 15:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) A little late,but here is my reply.

"Does this mean ..." - written by XasXas256 on User_talk:Xasxas256. Your promotion was based on "Auron thinks you'll do great" and "you have editing experience on GWW". I don't think that the questions raised are logically disconnected from these premises, but I can understand that you think it's a stretch.

The next argument went thus (on User talk:Xasxas256): I am referring to Custom (law). This is a case where tradition does indeed make something right, especially as procedures are concerned. It counters the broad sweep that tradition counts for nothing. I think Entropy's argument is a broad sweep as the "face of change" has not been demonstrated. If she had demonstrated that, one could argue the merit of that particular tradition as to facing that particular change. As it stands, I think the purpose of Entropy's argument was to discredit argument from tradition, and my reply attempted to give authority to arguing from tradition by drawing a parallel to a common legal concept. I see no straw man, i.e. where did I miscontrue Entropy's argument in my reply?
 * "We always used discussion to decide things..." (Xasxas256)
 * "1) Tradition does not make something right, and the argument "We always do it this way" is no good reason to continue to do so in the face of change." (Entropy)
 * "»Tradition does not make something right«. Well, actually, it often does, especially when there is no written law, many legal systems uphold "traditional law". It is the "primal" law, if you will." (mendel)

"I suspect that Auron wants ..." (myself) is technically not a straw man since I clearly state that this just a suspicion, not an actual position of Auron's. The primary problem in constructing a strawman on that topic is that there is (was?) no position of Auron's to misconstrue.

"Bureaucrats are not the only people with a vested interest in this wiki" (Xasxas256) is a premise for the argument that counters (I believe) Entropy's line "If they decide that they want a new sysop, they can wait around for someone to request one through RfA, or they can go and proactively find one". From Xasxas's premise follows that there is a third option for the bureaucrat, and that is to alert those users. Since Entropy omits that option, she must not be holding that premise. Hence, Xasxas's argument is a straw man only if Entropy admits her own argument is flawed.

"Why do only bureaucrats have good ideas?" (Xasxas256) is similar to the previous argument.

Now this is really a straw man, but you have committed it. You assume that Xasxas thinks it is certain, but Xasxas256 actually argues that it is possible (or maybe even likely) for that to happen again. It certainly is a logical position to take: "It has happened, nothing has been done to prevent it, it can happen again". It's only a slippery slope if the conclusion is not logical.
 * "If we agree that Auron made a myriad of mistakes in his handling of R.Phalange's RFA then should we also agree that it's important to take steps to try to preventing it from happening again in future?" (Xasxas256)
 * "(i.e. it's happened this one time, so it is doomed for something similar to happen again and will end if Auron is demoted.)" (you, above)

You are making a strawman out of Xasxas's argument again. Xasxas takes the whole paragraph in User_talk:Auron_of_Neon to argue that there is no recent precedent nor a policy that covers this. He then goes on to ask, "How has this promotion, which contravenes our current policies and processes benefited the GWiki community ...?" It follows that Xasxas256 sees 3 ways to justify your promotion: a) precedent, b) policy, c) community benefit. You are disregarding b) and c) in your summary. Xasxas argues (logically and correctly, in my opinion) that your promotion cannot be justified by a) or b). This implies that by Xasxas's standards (he alludes to them when he talks about the "bureaucrat's role"), Auron needs to justify the promotion via c), or it won't be justified at all.
 * "There is no history on the GWiki ..." (Xasxas256)
 * "(i.e. it hasn't happened before, so it shouldn't happen now.)" (you)

My conclusion: Your statement that my ''"arguments [are] compiled of slippery slopes and strawmen" has boiled down to only two of my statements that you find doubtful, and I have defended those. --◄mendel► 16:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Read.-- (Talk) (Contr.) 01:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

yo
I posted my responses to the thing here because its long and I talked alot about different things. &mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥

Please post as brains12
Could you please write a post as brains12 here, confirming that brains12 and R.Phalange are, in fact, the same user? --◄mendel► 13:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A post. -- Brains12 \ Talk 13:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. --◄mendel► 16:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Kinda hard to believe, isn't it.Lurkerabove 20:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorta, since Brains on GWW has a different persona than R. -- Shadowphoenix  20:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I believed it alright, but it occurred to me that I could have proof as well. --◄mendel► 21:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)