User talk:Nog64/Elite Skill Contest

Contestants:
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Contestants ]] 17:10, 16 March 2007 (CDT) ]] 18:08, 16 March 2007 (CDT) ]] 05:53, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Count me in. I'll take Enchanter's Conundrum, if we're allowed to pick already. Zaq 20:09, 7 March 2007 (CST) EDIT 14 Mar 07: Here it is, check it out. Zaq 20:37, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) Time to prove the worth of Scavenger's Focus :)--Blade [[Image:smallscout.png]] (talk|contribs) 20:14, 7 March 2007 (CST)
 * 3) TIme to see if Ravenous Gaze are any good.- [[Image:Avatar of Lyssa.jpg|19px]] Leader Rat  07:56, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 4) Count me in with Soul Leech. :) InfestedHydralisk  [[image:Shadow_Prison.jpg|19px]] 17:51, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * So far I made this out of it Build:N/Me Wastrel's Leech. InfestedHydralisk  [[image:Shadow_Prison.jpg|19px]] 16:03, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) I just posted my build for Toxic Chill for the contest. Check it out.  Build:N/A Chilling Assassin Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Oh, and by the way, the comment you posted on the build is pretty stupid, the builds only share two skills (not including resurrection signet) and neither of those is the elite... soo... Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs)
 * Whoops, check the history of the build.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 22:51, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmmm... true, but, first, one of the major problems listed with your build was SF and ET and, mine does more damage and is more of a spike as opposed to yours which was much more about pressure, Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * My build is now in favored, hurrah! Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs)
 * Yea, but my Elite is more useless. :p --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   16:28, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) I want Skull Crack. Technically the build is already posted, but it resides in a Discussion page and not a build page, soo... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:15, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) . *Giggles* hah, im gonna try Ride the Lightning Time for pain... >:P --Spcypnts
 * 3) Ill take Quivering Blade even though I suck at warrior. Shall be fun :) --Renegade26 13:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)'' I wish to change to Crippling Anguish instead of Quivering Blade. --Renegade26 18:01, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Done and done. Just one sec.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 18:24, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) I'm all over Signet of Suffering.Cheese Slaya 20:34, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Mines right here, N/Me Signet of Hexes. I also made this, still in the works tho (if im allowed to use more than one elite) W/Mo Flailing Coward.Cheese Slaya 23:01, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * EDIT: I have given up on my Signet of Suffering build, as there is another build in stubs with almost the exact same skillbar, and because I already have another build that i actually like better... W/any Flailing Coward I was wondering if I could just drop the SoS build for my coward one.Cheese Slaya 21:24, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Signing for Zerris on Warrior's Endurance--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 22:42, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks, since I couldn't find this page. Build is currently not even through trial run, speculation only.  If it works, I'm in, might even put it up for untested.  If it doesn't I'll drop this skill... might pick another. Hope you don't mind :p --Zerris (talk) 22:45, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Build works perfectly, in fact better then expected. You can take a look at Build:W/Me Enduring Visage UW Solo. I will remain in the contest. --Zerris (talk) 01:21, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Build is now favored. Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * 1) Tease, Build:R/Me Tickler. I had fun testing this build, actually.--Rickyvantof 10:52, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) Fox's Promise Poor neglected elite, i'll find a home for you! Even if it's in the unfavored section! Wyvern 18:31, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 3) Signing for Lava's Edge.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 19:22, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I'll sign for myself, thank you very much! :) I'll post back here once I have it done. Done, it's on my talk page. La va Ed ge 324 ++[[Image:Conjure_Flame.jpg|20px]] 19:23, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Incendiary Arrows for me. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (talk) 19:44, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) I'll take Spirit Light Weapon. Does it have to be just a PvP build? Morthain 20:37, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * It can be anything I believe, farming, pve general, AB, so on and so forth Wyvern 20:53, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Cool I think I know a way to farm now with a Rit now that VMK has been nerfed. Just need to test and write the build. Morthain 21:36, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) I'll try Seeping Wound. --NYC Elite 22:41, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Lol, I have an Idea forVow of Strength (Sneaky Take a Bow 01:23, 16 March 2007 (CDT))
 * This is the most retarded idea ever Build:P/D_Aggressive_Strength - (Sneaky Take a Bow 02:00, 16 March 2007 (CDT))
 * 1) I'll try my hand with Headbutt --Kickside 01:27, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) Count me in with Ray of Judgment. I have a really sick plan in my head. Slvrwolf 13:37, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Build:Team_-_Judgment_Day First go at it. Slvrwolf 14:27, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Build:R/E Quickshot Fireslinger that my entry and its already candidate for deletion, fact is that this build is prolly to only one with a bit of viability in it that uses QS oris rhy 16:40, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * There are builds that can use it effectively. I suggest using it in a spiking build, as a substitute for Punishing Shot. The near-instant recharge makes this quite doable. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    16:44, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) I alreeady signed at the bottom of the page, but I'll sign again: Song of Purification for me plx. --[[User:Sigm@|Sig mA
 * P/any Purification Chanter already started. --[[User:Sigm@|Sig mA
 * Nvm, already unfavoured. --[[User:Sigm@|Sig mA
 * 1) I'll join the club, Soldier's Stance would be nice, tyvm barkeep! :P --Gimmethegepgun 17:46, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * W/P Soldier's Spear created --Gimmethegepgun 18:47, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) I'll take Arcane Zeal. --Malec 18:45, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) haha! fill it out right! Arcane Zeal is MINE! :P --Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 01:03, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 3) I'll take Marksman's Wager. -- Bug [[Image:Brown_stink_bug_adult_copy.png|19px]] 06:05, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Discussion
Add Preservation. --SBR 18:55, 7 March 2007 (CST)
 * Preservation is being used a lot, though (IIRC). I almost did (it is a TERRIBLE skill, after all). Lemme double chack on that.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 19:45, 7 March 2007 (CST)

I just wanna tell everyone how very, very pleased I am with how this is working :)--Nog64Talk 23:21, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Update the List
Recently, i.e. this year, I have created builds which use some of these skills, 4 of which are favored, so I thought I would point them out:


 * Locust's Fury: Build:A/W Fear-Inspiring Sin
 * Scribe's Insight: Build:Mo/Me Elona's Bonder
 * Marksman's Wager: Build:R/N Shivering Marksman
 * Consume Soul: Build:Rt/any Devouring Restorer

All of those were created by me recently, so you might want to remove those skills from the list. Some of the other skills already have favored builds as well... so it really isn't worth having them on the list. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs)
 * Just because one build has an elite that's on this list doesn't mean it can't be on this list. All of those skills can be used for something else. Not to mention you have a knack for making those odd skills workable. I'm sure there are people out there who have a good use for some of those skills.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 19:34, 7 March 2007 (CST)
 * Yay, I have a knack! :) <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs)

Sounds like alot of fun XD. i duno what one to take though. I was thinking my secret weapon Scavengers focus would be on it but mabay you think its good like me :D.im thinking either Hidden Caltrops or "Coward!".--Blade (talk|contribs) 19:53, 7 March 2007 (CST)

IMO Scavenger's Focus should be on the list. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs)
 * Ya i forgot it. Want it then, Blade?--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 19:56, 7 March 2007 (CST)

yup ill show you why i like it so much :)--Blade (talk|contribs) 19:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

I'm pretty sure there's already a favored PvP build using Caretaker's Charge (Charging Vorizun?) and a favored PvE build using Flashing Blades... --Shattered Self 02:51, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Point of Confusion
When you say the build cannot have been created before 03/07/07, could you clarify "created"? I've got a build for my skill of choice (Enchanter's Conundrum) that I've been tinkering with since NF came out, but which I've never posted on wiki (or elsewhere) nor have I seen it on wiki. Would this be a legal build? I know there's no way to verify that, but this is a for-fun sort of thing, so I may as well see if I'm acting in good faith, right? Zaq 20:13, 7 March 2007 (CST)
 * Created=posted. Making change.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 08:21, 9 March 2007 (CST)
 * Posted.. how about user pages? I've had a fun Cultist's Fervor build for a while before Nightfall even came out.  Though I think I'll take something else in the end anyway. Also, Individual builds, or team builds?  Cause if it's a team build situation, I think one person with the skill and 4 exploiting it would be pretty neat...  --Crazytreeboy 22:47, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

ill stick a link to this on my page :)--Blade (talk|contribs) 11:02, 9 March 2007 (CST)

Wastrel's Collapse?? --Renegade26 16:58, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * What about it?--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 17:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Where is it on here? Or is it being used ^^?--Renegade26 17:59, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

hmm?
how's this?

InfestedHydralisk  18:13, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Changed it ever so slightly, so now it's lovely.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 18:43, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

maybe everyone who's joining needs to have this on its userpage? InfestedHydralisk  18:54, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Shouldnt it have a link to the contest page?-  Leader Rat  19:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Very good point.--Nog64Talk 19:11, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Added a link.- [[Image:Avatar of Lyssa.jpg|19px]] Leader Rat  19:31, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

[[Image:Wingsthatheal-icon.jpg]] "Wings"
do we have to make a whole new build page to enter? -- "Wings" 03:40, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

i dont get it
I doubt i read all of it but, half the assasin skills are in use already. Beguiling haze is like one of the best skills now. has this not been updated since the nerf? 12:15, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

I'd remove Beguiling Haze, Flashing Blades, Ebon Dust Aura, Signet of Judgment, Punishing Shot, Avatar of Dwayna, and Offering of Spirit on the grounds that they're actually useful. --Zerris (talk) 13:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Zerris is right, accept for Avatar of Dwayna.Cheese Slaya 16:55, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Think Dervish Tanks in FoW. Then you'll get my point. I use it all the time, personally. :) --   19:31, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

How used are some of them? I'm thinking of removing punishing, since Gem wants to as well. EDA is pretty well used. Lemme go over it.--Nog64Talk 19:35, 14 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Well, Beguiling Haze is the second up to Shadow Prison. With the new nerf, they're probably near equal.  Flashing Blades makes a beautiful Assassin Tank thanks to the boost to 75% blocking.  Ebon Dust Aura is just, well, overused everywhere.  Signet of Judgment is not commonly used, but is the only Smiting Elite of any use in PvP, and Punishing Shot is a must for Interrupting.  Offering of Spirit is just slightly better then Signet of Spirits, which both happen to be very effective energy management for a Ritualist.  I might take them both off the list.  Avatatar of Dwayna is underused, perhaps, but it is good for the situation I mentioned above, and is one of the ways Dervishes can make it into balanced teams. Most of the other elites looked pretty useless though.  I wanna see a favored build with Keystone Signet or Amity. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    19:45, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

By the way, I don't think you have the skill you meant under Dervish. Arcane Zeal is an amazing powerful skill that can be used in combination with a few enchants and Mystic Healing to be an amazing 4 v 4 healer. The skill you want is Pious Renewal, which just, well, sucks. period. Unless somebody here can make a build out of it... --   00:52, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Flourish? --   22:24, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

I gotta agree here. I could throw you a good build for like 40% of the listed skills. Got some of them on my user page, but heck, some listed skills do even have an already vetted build on the wiki. So whats the matter with this? Bringing people to use new skills? Those who find this page, may not be the group of users who need to think of new builds. --Ineluki 17:31, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

I wanna do more than one...
I can't help being so creative D:.. ;)--Rickyvantof 10:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

I want "Coward!" too, is that allowed?Cheese Slaya 16:12, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Ooh, and Whirling Axe. Although I hate PvE, I can still make PvE builds.Cheese Slaya 16:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * well, we need to see what Nog64 says about it.- [[Image:Avatar of Lyssa.jpg|19px]] Leader Rat  16:57, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually, PvE is WAY too boring to make a build with, I got all the way to THK (and would have gotten farther) with my newb ranger wannabe ele build..good times, good times...Cheese Slaya 17:08, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

Didn't notice this :P. Anyway, wait a bit and we'll see how many more people join up. If there are still some more slots after an indeterminate period of time, I'll let people have more.--Nog64Talk 19:32, 14 March 2007 (CDT)


 * We'll be waiting in the shadows... like thieves who want to steal your wallet! --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   19:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

I wanna do Stone Sheath that skill is SO not used...--Rickyvantof 01:59, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * And Heal as One I've been using that since forever on my Warrior, it's teh awesome...--Rickyvantof 10:22, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Heal as one is hax XD its amazin :)--Blade (talk|contribs) 19:14, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

I may as well make an extend conditions team build while I'm at it:)Cheese Slaya 19:45, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I was thinking of Extend conditions...Immolate, Steam...iunno.--Rickyvantof 12:59, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Some good elites in the list
I'm still thinking on which elite to choose, but spotted a couple of good elites in the list, which probably shouldn't be there. Escape is one of the most used elites for ranger runners on basic running and Punishing Shot has been my marksman elite since the beginning. (well, almost anyway :) ) -- (talk) 19:30, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Well, I've never seen Punishing Shot on a bar ever, but Escape does have some merit. Removed.--Nog64Talk [[Image:Word_of_Healing.jpg|19px]] 19:33, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Ranger Spikes consist primarily of Punishing Shot and is in the Build:R/any General Interrupter. --NYC Elite 22:48, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

He he he...
I just used one of the most obscure Elites in the game (Warrior's Endurance) and made it into a favored build here. This is the only Favored Warrior's Endurance build out of all 20 on GuildWiki. Who wants to top me? --   00:12, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * I realize they don't count, but I have at least 5 or 6 Favored builds that are the first build to be favored with their respective elites so while yours is a nice achievement, it isn't really THAT impressive. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

I only got one favored....and apparently it isn't even liked D:--Rickyvantof 02:01, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Total I think I have like 12-13 favored builds (although 1 was archived and 1 was merged). <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)

I guess all "favored" builds have allready been made...There might be some good builds in Unfavored...it's just that there are better ones in favored...Wait till the new campaign arrives, I might get one favored, if I'm fast enough XD anyway, not like it's a competition ;)...--Rickyvantof 10:23, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Doesn't my build alone prove that not all favored builds have already been made? I have 3 Favored Builds, of which 2 had (and still have) nothing like them anywhere else in the entire builds section.  Trust me, there are always more builds to be made if you try hard enough. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    11:40, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Mo/R Bow Bonder
I can't play so cannot test, but hows about a monk equiping a shortbow and using wager in PvE for +5 energy a hit, thats alot of energy so you can maintain alot of bonds. And PvE's less likely too miss with arrows. meh what you think?

12+1+1 prot 12+1 divine favour

if it works you can fine tune it. Jupsto 10:43, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Bull's Charge?
See Build:W/N Bull's Charge Sword Lord of all tyria 11:53, 15 March 2007 (CDT)


 * The concept is good, but the requirement of it simply using a skill might not suffice. Rather, to use skills (especially ones rarely used) in a creative manner should be the goal. For example, if you are able to use Shadow Prison or an Elite Trap outside of the context of farming and Melee spiking (this idea is taken from shadow step trapper), then I think it should be sufficiently creative enough to be considered an "original use of elite skills". Perhaps you can narrow it down to unused elite skills, but simply put, some of the skills you've mentioned are actually used. Second Wind, Bull's Charge, Mind Shock, Ward Against Harm, Crippling Anguish (!!!!), and Signet of Judgment are used. With the example of Bull's Charge, Second Wind, and SoJ, they are used by simply switching 1 or 2 skills out from a cookie cutter build. SoJ can be used to replace Shove, Bull's Charge added in for pressure, and Second Wind can replace Ether Prodigy. SoJ is also used in Moa spikes.


 * Another issue is that some skills, you must understand, are doomed. How can anyone make use of Seeping Wounds? For it to be viable, it must not waste it's degen by topping 10 (usually it's 7 already), it must require its secondary viably, or else you can easily just switch seeping wounds for Conjure Phantasm or Images of Remorse, and finally, degen of this magnitude is simply useless unless spammed on everyone, so the very skill's existence is under doubt.


 * So will builds like the above, simply switching one skill out work? I assume that's not "creative". I suppose it all depends on the voting, but something viable that uses skills never used before will be quite difficult.


 * And I must reliterate, the skills mentioned above are in no way "unused". -Silk Weaker 02:16, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

and ill take...

 * --, cos i already have a nice build with this :P

i try these first if i have time an motivation ill maybe try some more ;P

oh and where/how shuld i post a build ive never posed a build before? must i post in build stub section or in untested?oris rhy 05:58, 16 March 2007 (CDT)


 * the QS build can be found here Build:R/E Quickshot Fireslinger but i dont know where i shuld post it, in build stub or untested builds???oris rhy 11:35, 16 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Well if it is finished stick it in untested if not stub it. And i think we are only allowed to do one at the moment.--Blade [[Image:smallscout.png]] (talk|contribs) 11:37, 16 March 2007 (CDT)


 * oh then ill delet the onslaught one, cos this is already doneoris rhy 12:37, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Song of Purification
I'll take Song of Purification, it isn;t a bad elite. --<font color=#2a7510>Sig <font color=#d8be01>mA   17:08, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

most the elites are pretty good and many used in favoured builds so I don't get this at all. Jupsto 18:46, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok, it's not your contest, so why are you complaining? If the elites are so good, use one of them and win the competition, otherwise, why are you complaining?  Anyways, I am sure that existing favored builds using that elite will come into play.  <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)


 * You missed the point completely, I said:"i dont get this" ie. i don't understand/confused. I didn't say: "this sucks" that would be complaining. This contest seems over to me since loads of people have pointed out existing or new builds which uses this selection of elite skills. Jupsto [[image:Feck_Off.jpg|19px]] 09:02, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Wastrel's Collapse
I suggest Wastrel's Collapse be added to the list, as there are only 2 builds in existence on the wiki that use it, 1 is unfavored and other is stubby --Gimmethegepgun 18:57, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

My Contest
Ok, so people had some issues with the elite choice for this contest because good and bad were too subjective. So, I created my own contest which asks users to create a build using an elite skill that has never been used before on any wiki builds. Anyone interested should sign up at User:Defiant Elements/Contest. And, yes, this is blatant self-promotion. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements (talk ~ contribs)

Skill Choice
Not saying that I'm entering or not entering or anything, but are we allowed to choose more than one skill? &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 23:26, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Scratch that. Finally found the line that said how many skills one can have. &mdash; Rapta  [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:26, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Mirror Of ice
I suppose you wont let me enter Build:D/E Mirror of Ice Scythe? even though i made it up? and none of the skills were changed since i made it? I signed up for arcane zeal anyways, just so no one takes it before i get up. I have a great build for it.--Coloneh RIP 01:06, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Speaking for Nog, the rules say that any build posted on wiki before 03/07/06 is not viable for this contest. <font color="DodgerBlue">Defiant Elements  (talk ~ contribs)
 * Poo--Coloneh RIP[[Image:Coloneh.png]] 04:19, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Question
Do we need to put our builds into tested when we are ready? InfestedHydralisk  21:13, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Putting it directly into tested would be violating the current Vetting Process. If you wish it to be there, put it up as untested. And since he says that is an "option" I would assume stubs are fine too. --   21:15, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Change of skill
Instead of my Signet of HExes build, I'd like to use my Coward Build.Cheese Slaya 21:37, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Remainders
Since I'll probably not enter the contest, if anyone's looking for a use for some of those skills, I might just post up a list of bars for the unclaimed Elites. How's that? &mdash; Rapta   (talk|contribs) 23:10, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

I think it might be a little unfair for now, since it would discourage completely new builds you couldn't have thought of. I'd say do that if you like, but don't post them till after it's over. --   23:30, 17 March 2007 (CDT)