Talk:Mysterious Tonic

Just to say...
I've heard gossip flying about that this tonic can produce a Swarm of Bees form. If so... Best. Tonic. Ever. Renian (T|C|Ѫ) 10:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Bees!!!! I loves the bees!  This is so cool. :) NCA 22:50, 26 April 2009 (EST)

Black moa Chick also confirmed

forms
I saw someone in Kunumawang form ! Temple of Baltha inter 1... — TulipVorlax 12:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Saw a Rainbow Phoenix and a Bone Dragon but it could be a Zaishen Tonic That I don't know. -- [[Image:F4Sig.jpg|19px]]  † F1 ©  Talk  14:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not Kuunavang, it's called Saltspray Dragon, but I don't think it's from this tonic, that one is probably from the zaishen one. Eye of Janthir is also cool.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I got the Black Beast of Aargh form from it 66.131.88.142 02:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

everlasting?
I wonder if an everlasting version of this can be aquired.--El_Nazgir 17:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * rumors say there is a everlasting. Start praying! Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 17:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be cool. I'm assuming you'd be something different each time... you know they'd cost like a million ks, though. Qing Guang 23:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Servant?
Of Mad King? What does it look like? O_o RoseOfKali 04:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The candy golems?--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 05:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Isn't that Avatar of Sweetness? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 05:47, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No Mad King's Guard are bigger, like boulder elementals.
 * Yeah, but since it says Servant of Mad King Thorn, and the Avatar of Sweetness isn't on there, but I turned into the Avatar of Sweetness, I'm going to assume that's what was meant.Skippster 04:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely agree. Please change. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 04:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Avatar of Sweetness is an effect, not a creature... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 07:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Kuunavang form
Please be aware that this is not the form created by this tonic, it does not exist. The correct form is Saltspray Dragon, it has the same skin as Kuunavang, but much smaller size, matching that of the tonic. I hope this helps with the confusion of all the people posting Kuunavang form in the list. RoseOfKali 19:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I give up... :( *Runs in the corner and cries* Will someone please revert that before I cut myself? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think I found a possible solution. Added a hidden comment in that spot stating that Saltspray Dragon is correct, so even if editors don't look in history or the discussion, they will still see the note when trying to add it, and it doesn't show in the article itself.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Ghostly Hero AND Champion of Balthazar?
Both, or just one with misconceptions like the Kuuna? The reason I'm asking is because I previously saw someone add the Champion and remove the Hero. RoseOfKali 22:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Very likely misconception, same as with Avatar of Sweetness. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's my hunch, too, but it's hard to say which one it is. The skins are different, but I haven't seen either yet.  Due to the mentioned edit of adding one and removing the other, I'm tempted to say it's probably the Champion.  But you never know, it might be both...  The Official Wiki page doesn't have either, so yeah...  I do like their layout.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * AHH! Champion is listed under Zaishen tonic, so this one indeed might be the Ghostly Hero. Bah! And so is Avatar of Balthazar! DIS IZ SOO CUMFUSEING!!! RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed forms from the MYSTERIOUS tonic
Please add the forms that you have personally acquired by using the Mysterious tonic and confirmed from the description on your screen, NOT the Zaishen Tonic, or seen on someone else. Please keep it alphabetized, and move the unconfirmed ones to the confirmed table or down to the Zaishen Tonic list. This is to help sort fact from myth. Also, please let us know if any of the forms listed in this article are confirmed to be summoned by the Zaishen Tonic and list them here. So far, the unconfirmed entries with a * are suspected to be from the Zaishen Tonic.


 * I already said I got BBoA... I can give pics if you want but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have gotten it. 66.131.88.142 03:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Servant of the Mad King should be changed to Avatar of Sweetness (unless it's not the same)


 * Thanks, I added them to the list, and I also removed the images as they are really large and cannot be resized being from photobucket (if they can, I don't know how). We believe you, as long as you simply say what you see in the form description.  As far as avatar of sweetness, it's description says that "you look like a servant of mad king thorn" and so far we're documenting the creatures you become, not the actual form name, because we don't have all the articles by form name yet (at least not for the new ones), so that's fine as it is, but can be easily changed.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 04:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Avatar of Sweetness is the effect, but it changes you into a "servant of Mad King Thorn" as listed. And this servant is the "Mad King's Guard" to which is linked to on the page.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 04:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

And now we have 2 seers... Which one is it, anyone know? RoseOfKali 21:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The spider looks like the Armored Cave Spider from the Fissure of Woe and the ones from the Trapdoor Tonic. ¤†¤¤†¤ 22:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Golem form
It looks more like an Unstable Golem than a Sinister Golem. The chest plate thing is colored differently. It is a light blue-ish rather than orangey-red. There are a few other details that match the Unstable Golem. Which does it look like for everyone else? Segick 04:02, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, both appear to be valid. The one you speak of is the Automatonic appearance, or simply Golem form.  I haven't got that one from the Mysterious yet.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 04:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, got the regular golem this morning, so I can confirm that both are possible. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 16:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Table suggestion
Or something along those lines? Would make that list shorter. RoseOfKali 17:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * GW:BOLD imo.--JonTheMon 18:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the reason I posted here is because one, I don't think this looks as good as it could, so maybe someone has an idea on how to design it better, and two, the list isn't completely confirmed yet, a lot of those in the unconfirmed list above seem to be from the zaishen tonic, looking at the official page for it. There's no rush.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * why not make a copy/example here on the talk page then? --JonTheMon 03:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Because I'm doing zquests. :D Maybe later. :P Seems like our confirmation list is getting close to completion, so I'll do it once there are only a few ?s left. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 03:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Since nobody suggested a different format, I used the old one. Feel free to prettify. Still Unconfirmed Seer/Ancient Seer?, Swarm of Bees, Gwen-chan. The rest seem to be from Zaishen Tonic. RoseOfKali 23:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I can confirm the Seer, and the Swarm of Bees, Ill post SSs of them on my user page btw this is Crovo 137.99.174.214 02:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * So is it "Seer" or "Ancient Seer?" Currently both are in the article. O_o  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 03:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I turned into Gwen chan today, -Knuckle Joe


 * Thanks. I'm sorry I removed the image, it was enormous, and external images cannot be resized, afaik.
 * Let me know if this table is ready for prime-time, I will transfer it as soon as we get word on the Seer. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 05:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)