GuildWiki:Old votes

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Profession in build names
1.) Profession in title: Xeeron, Kiiron, betaman, Kidburla, Shandy
 * Vote on putting the profession in build names, from User_talk:Xeeron. Result: Yes.

2.) Titles stay as they are: Rezyk

3.) Other:

(please finish voting by Jan 20th)

New layout of Main Page
I think we're ready for a vote on the different Main Page options. From what I see, the following alternates have been linked into the above discussion.
 * Vote on new layout of main page, from Talk:Main_Page. Result: User:Barek/Main Page wins.
 * 1) Keep the current Main Page design Main Page
 * 2) PanSola's draft: Main Page/editcopy2
 * 3) Barek's draft: User:Barek/Main Page
 * 4) Xeeron draft #1: User:Xeeron/main page
 * 5) Xeeron draft #2: User:Xeeron/main page Barek
 * 6) Nunix draft (needs fleshing out) User:Nunix/mprdx Because it's very rough, here is a recap of Nunix' description of the concept: "Each box-heading would become its own portal page. I think still having a "table of contents" page like this one is fine, but it'd be nice if it wasn't the first thing you see."

So, lets tally the votes and see how the community feels on the changes (if any)
 * 1) Current version:
 * 2) PanSola draft:
 * 3) Barek draft:  Barek, Rainith, TheSpectator, Karlos, Xeeron, William Blackstaff
 * 4) Xeeron draft #1:
 * 5) Xeeron draft #2:
 * 6) Nunix draft:
 * 7) Other (specify):
 * 8) Need more time for other concepts:

International Names in all articles

 * Vote on if we will include all the international names for every City/Item/NPC/Moster/Quest in their articles From Talk:Ascalon City (Pre-Searing). Descision - No by a vote of 5 - 2.
 * Yes - Shandy Kerish


 * No - Rainith Xeeron William Blackstaff Xasxas256 Foo

Suffix for Chapter 2

 * Vote on chapter suffix. From GuildWiki_talk:Style_and_formatting. Result: "Ch2" wins.
 * Vote Results
 * (Ch2): Tetris L, PanSola, Barek, Lunarbunny, Rainith, Karlos, TheSpectator, Xeeron
 * (Chapter 2):
 * (Chapter Two):
 * (Factions):
 * other (specify): Cn (C1, C2, C... --Nunix)

Guild pages on GuildWiki
Vote: Do we want information about guilds in the wiki? Result: Ultimately inconclusive, but the leader is No. ''This vote was brought to an end with no clear winner (no choice recieving over 50% of the vote) as there have been nothing new posted for quite a while. See Talk:Girls on Top for the entire discussion.''
 * Yes: Kidburla, Tanaric, Shandy, Durub, DragonWR12LB
 * No: TheSpectator, Rainith, Xeeron, Xasxas256, 84.175, Crusty, William Blackstaff, Foo, JoDiamonds, Imperialist

(explain other in discussion)
 * Only Guilds that meet some criteria of notability (to be determined): JoDiamonds
 * Only Following strict rules (see below): Tetris L, Karlos, MRA,, PanSola, JoDiamonds, Ravious(yes to GWWC, no to GotW)
 * On notable event entries (ie: GWWC), list relevant guild names only: Barek, JoDiamonds

Layout of Build titles (No 2)
Vote on the exact title of builds to stop renaming of build articles. From User_talk:Xeeron. Result: Option 2 wins


 * 1) "R/Mo xxx" and "Ranger xxx": Xeeron
 * 2) "R/Mo xxx" and "R/any xxx": Rainith Xeeron FireFox
 * 3) "Ranger/Monk xxx" and "Ranger xxx":
 * 4) "R/Mo xxx" and "R xxx": Shandy Rainith

2 was what I initially started with (and grace did now), 4 is what I did inbetween. Hmmm quick vote? (till 24th of feb. please) --Xeeron 03:26, 18 February 2006 (CST)

I'm good with 2, and prefer 4. Shandy 18:44, 20 February 2006 (CST)
 * I'm good with 2 or 4, no preference over either. --Rainith 18:49, 20 February 2006 (CST)

First choice 1, second 4 22:52, 25 February 2006 (CST)

Individual fansite articles or single article?
RESULTS: Winner: Have a single fansite article. Since we're linking to the official ArenaNet list at the fansite article, the other issues above don't require a vote. The only open question is if we want articles such as photics.com and guildwarsguru.com to exist with redirects to the fansite article. --Barek 06:24, 6 March 2006 (CST)
 * Each fansite receives its own article.


 * Have a single fansite article.
 * 1) Barek
 * 2) Gem
 * 3)  (just a plain list, similar to ANet's list. No advertising.)
 * 4) Karlos: the article should describe what a fan site is, then link to ANet's list.
 * 5) Shandy
 * 6) Stabber, also think it should just link to Anet's list.
 * 7) Gares Redstorm, agree with Karlos. A short description of what a fansite is, more specifically what an official/elite fansite is(all facts, no opinions), then link to ANet's List. Something like Salvage Item 1. Definition and 4. List(link).
 * 8) JoDiamonds  Add me to the pile.  Seems like a landslide vote, here.
 * 9) 130.58 General info and a link to ANet's list (better and less judgmental than maintaining our own).
 * 10) Lunarbunny
 * 11) Rainith
 * 12) LordKestrel Simple link, nothing more.
 * 13) Ishmaeel One sentence. One link.


 * No reference to fansites except when linking to information relevant to an article.
 * 1) Ishmaeel No need for a single fansite article that contains a plain list and/or link to Anet's page either. Fansites are not specific to GW and saying a GW Fansite is a site made by and for GW fans is...(fade to silence). This should suffice for everybody out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fansite.
 * For what it's worth, I think it's worth having at least a token page to keep people from putting up new pages. They'll at least find *something* and hopefully understand that's what there is, and not try to reinvent the missing wheel. --JoDiamonds 03:50, 4 March 2006 (CST)
 * Ya, OK. That makes sense. --Ishmaeel 08:16, 4 March 2006 (CST)
 * Other (please insert description).

Deleting category Game Updates

 * Vote on deleting. From Category:Game Updates. Result: No deletion.

This category seems to have been abandoned, and for good reason. I can't think of any purpose it serves. Would anyone object to my nuking it? &mdash; Stabber 19:36, 14 March 2006 (CST)


 * Heck, let's put this to a vote.

Vote
Get rid of this category?

Aye
 * 1) Stabber
 * 2) (your vote here)

Nay
 * 1) El Karlos
 * 2) Pan Sola
 * 3) Xeeron
 * 4) Barek
 * 5) Acadia
 * 6) skuld
 * 7) DragonWR12LB 19:11, 30 March 2006 (CST)
 * 8) (your vote here)
 * 1) DragonWR12LB 19:11, 30 March 2006 (CST)
 * 2) (your vote here)

Style of differenciation between Prophecies, Factions and Core

 * Vote on suffix, prefix and style. From GuildWiki talk:Style and formatting. Result: Suffix (name) wins.

Vote on suffix
See GuildWiki_talk:Style_and_formatting/Archive_2 for the old vote/arguements given. Discuss below.

Voting format: instant run-off (remember to specify your second/third/fourth preferences if applicable!)


 * Alphabetical suffix: Skills (Core), Skills (Factions), Skills (Prophecies)
 * 1) Xeeron
 * 2) Stabber (Like Tetris below, I'd prefer a prefix instead of a suffix)
 * 3) Evil_Greven
 * 4) JoDiamonds (I'm fairly ambivalent about prefixes vs. suffixes, and think that should maybe be a future vote/discussion)
 * 5) Karlos
 * 6) (I'd make it a prefix though, not a suffix, i.e. "Core Skills", not "Skills (Core)"
 * 7) Barek
 * 8) Pan Sola (For article names only, and when it's article name, I don't htink it shoudl be suffix unless it's for disambiguation purposes)
 * 9) Evan The Cursed (Talk) (prefer w/ suffix; second choice: Excluding core, then including core)
 * 10) (vote here)
 * Numerical suffix
 * Including core: Skills (C0), Skills (C1), Skills (C2)
 * 1) Pan Sola (second choice: excluding core), and this vote choice is only for sub-categories, not for any article names whatsoever.
 * 2) (vote here)
 * Excluding core: Skills (Core), Skills (C1), Skills (C2)
 * 1) (vote here)
 * Other (you better have a really really great idea to vote for "other")
 * 1) (vote here)

Which images to use

 * Vote on the type of images to use for skill articles and other purposes. From: GuildWiki Talk:Style and formatting/Skills. Result: new FSK (w/ edited border for elites) only wins.

All options will use screen capture for unavailable/outdated icons.


 * 1) Use original fansite kit images, but in JPG format (as opposed to the currently used PNG).
 * 2) Use original fansite kit images in JPG format, new fansite kit for outdated icons (but not elites, which will be screen caps to perserve original golden border).
 * 3) Use original fansite kit images in JPG format, new fansite kit for outdated and elite icons (edited golden border).
 * 4) Use new fansite kit JPG images (edited golden border for elites).
 * 5) Use new fansite kit JPG except for elite (which will be screen caps to perserve original golden border).
 * 6) Use screencaps for everything to ensure ultimate uniformity
 * 7) Other (please specify)

Skill Icon Votes

 * Option 1 - old FSK only (screen cap elite/outdated)
 * Option 2 - old FSK default, new FSK (w/ edited border for elites) for outdated (screen cap elite)
 * Option 3 - old FSK default, new FSK (w/ edited border for elites) for anything missing
 * Option 4 - new FSK (w/ edited border for elites) only
 * 1) PanSola (2nd choice 3, 3rd choice 5, 4th choice 2, 5th choice 1)
 * 2) Rainith
 * 3) Barek
 * 4) Evil_Greven
 * 5) JoDiamonds (4, 7, 6, meh)
 * 6) Karlos
 * 7) Dinosaur Planet
 * Option 5 - new FSK except for elites (screen cap elite).
 * Option 6 - Screen cap everything
 * 1) Shandy (Option 5 second choice)
 * Option 7 - new FSK, with images altered to include the actual ingame border (haven't found anyone to do the border yet)
 * 1) Xeeron
 * Option 8 - Other
 * 1) LordBiro I vote for PNGs. I don't think there would be any discolouration with resize if the host had ImageMagick/NetPBM and the wiki was set up to use them.
 * 2) * My post here wasn't very clear. I've explained in detail on my talk page.
 * 1) * My post here wasn't very clear. I've explained in detail on my talk page.

Protect main page talk
Vote to protect the main page talk due to repeated spam bots. From: Talk:Main Page/Archive 5. Result: Protect and move.

The ballot

 * 1) Do nothing
 * 2) Move the functionality of this page to Talk:Main Page/editcopy, leaving only links to Talk:Main Page/editcopy, GuildWiki Talk:Community Portal, and User questions  here, and protect this page against vandals and people who refuse to read instructions then post things on the wrong talk page.
 * 3) Move everything on this page to Talk:Main Page/editcopy, leaving only a redirect here, and protecting this page (most spambots seem to key in to actual pages not what is on the pages themselves).
 * 4) Other

The votes

 * Do nothing
 * Move and protect
 * 1) Pan Sola (second choice Move everything)
 * 2) Barek
 * 3) Xeeron (this only differs from 3 in leave some links here, which I prefer)
 * 4) JoDiamonds
 * Move everything
 * 1) Rainith
 * 1) Rainith

Vote: Upper Case for Nouns
While I'm busy questioning the basic rules of GuildWiki to get us ready for Factions, I might as well question this one too. IMO the lowercase rule is the single most responsible reasons for broken/wrong links on GuildWiki, and hence we should reconsider it. Because of the fact that ANet capitalized most nouns (not just proper names) in ingame "labels", and since we agreed to use the ingame spelling, the vast majority of articles on GuildWiki has all nouns in upper case. This makes the rule "use lower case" kinda pointless. We'd probably have much less confusion if we'd simply follow ANet's pattern and capitalize all nouns (not just proper names) in all article names as well as category names.

Two (fictional) example, to make clear what I mean: Please tell me, which words shall be lower case, which shall be upper case?
 * category:(E)nchantment (S)pells by (S)kill (T)rainer (L)ocation
 * category:(P)et (R)esurrection (S)pells by (Q)uest (G)iver (L)ocation

I'd rather have a simple, 100% clear rule, even if it's not 100% according to proper English grammar sometimes. We shall put it to a vote. It the majority decides to keep the current rule, fine.

The Vote

 * Option 1:Keep the current rule, because it's abundantly clear.
 * 1) Karlos
 * 2) PanSola
 * 3) Evan The Cursed (Talk)
 * 4) Barek (maybe not abundantly, but clear enough)
 * 5) JoDiamonds
 * 6) Tanaric
 * Option 2:Simplify the current rule and capitalize all nouns in all article and category names. For verbs, adjectives, and adverbs still use the sometimes-unclear current rule.
 * 1) Rainith
 * 2) Xeeron (but have redirects, see below)
 * 3) Your vote here
 * Option 3:Simplify the current rule and capitalize all nouns, verbs, adjatives, and adverbs in all article and category names. Particles and propositions are lower case.
 * 1) Your vote here
 * Option 4:Other (specify)
 * 1) Your vote here
 * 1) Your vote here

No new votes in a long time, vote closes at april 3rd.

Vote on Article Name
And thus we come to another showdown between the Republicans and the Democrats... What name should this article (talking about the different elements in the game screen) hold?

Result: Interface


 * Heads Up Display (or HUD):


 * Interface:
 * 1) Tetris L,
 * 2) Bishop
 * 3) PanSola (second choice "Game Interface"; third choice "Gameplay Interface"; forth choice "User Interface"; fifth choice "GUI")
 * 4) Sagius Truthbarron (second choice "Game Interface"; third choice "Gameplay Interface"; fourth choice "GUI"; fifth choice "User Interface")
 * 5) Barek (second choice "User Interface", third choice "Screen Layout")
 * 6) Nilles
 * 7) JoDiamonds (Presuming IRV: Interface, User Interface, GUI, Gameplay Interface, Screen, Game Screen, HUD)
 * 8) James Sumners


 * User Interface:
 * 1) Ravious,
 * 2) Havral Glommon,
 * 3) Xeeron,
 * 4) 130.58,
 * 5) Stabber,
 * 6) FireFox,
 * 7) LordBiro


 * Screen:


 * Game screen:
 * 1) Karlos
 * 2) Rainith
 * 3) Shandy


 * Graphical User Interface (or GUI):
 * 1) Ishmaeel


 * Gameplay Interface (as opposed to Login Interface, Character Selection/Creation Interface):
 * 1) Si Tacuisses
 * 2) Wesrichards -unless this article will cover all Interfaces

Please sign your name behind the choice you like. If your choice is not listed, please add it at the bottom. --Karlos 21:40, 28 February 2006 (CST)


 * Are multiple votes allowed? I don't care much if it's plain "Interface" or if a Game(play)/Graphical/User/whatever is added as prefix. -- 23:28, 28 February 2006 (CST)
 * I concur. Vanilla interface is my favorite, but most prefixes will do. Game Screen, however, is right out (in part because it means something completely different). --Bishop 00:29, 1 March 2006 (CST)

I think we are talking about two different things here. I am talking about the game screen in which players play the game, not the "entire user interface" of the program. I think you guys need to think in a more user-friendly kind of way. With the exception of a few geeks like us, few users care to know all the different ways to interact with the program. Most would love a screen cap of the game screen however and an explanation of all the different elements on it. I do not see an all encompassing article about all the different ways to interact with the program as being a good thing. This is a geek approach.. A Functional listing of all the cool things I have put in this thing. Users though need to be told things in a way that interests them not us. There for it is best to always present interface elements to the user in the context of "here is what you need to do to achieve X"

So, an article explaining the game screen makes sense to a user. An article explaining how to set the password in the properties so as to avoid having o type it each time you log in is also useful. An article combining both in addition to how to take screenshots is, in my not so humble opinion, useless. That is what a category is for. Geeks fascinated about all elements of the UI can follow the category link and browse. But a complete reference of all UI features is NOT a good article. --Karlos 10:53, 1 March 2006 (CST)

Starting The Vote Over
Because I am the dictator of 1/3 of my brain (1/6 of my brain recently obtained democratic independence, while 1/2 of my brain has been demonically possessed for quite a while now), I am once again calling off the proposed deadline for the skill box vote.

The Votes
Voters are advised to consider how the proposals look at 800x600 resolution.

Remember this is an instant-runoff vote, so specify your second, third, 4th etc choices!


 * 
 * PanSola (backup choices: Hybrd4b > Hybrid3 > Hybrid6 > Hybrid 5)
 * Nilles (second choice: Skuld's)
 * Rainith I really don't have anything to add here, but I didn't want to feel left out of the cool kids micro-text club.
 * 
 * Xeeron
 * Barek (second choice: Hybrid 4b, Third choice: Hybrid 6) (If you can read this fine-print, your eyes are better than mine.)
 * Foo (I'll just say, I choose this one for not being too dense, while still being short enough to use multiple times in the same page, and in general, pleasing to the eye.)
 * 


 * 


 * 


 * 
 * Xeeron
 * JoDiamonds (Hybrids 6; 4b; 5; 3; Skuld's; Landscape v4)
 * Stabber (2nd: Skuld's; no third and beyond as I don't like any of the rest) (The proposal needs margin and padding tweaks so that the text does not run into the skillbox; this is a minor quibble that does not detract from general agreement with the format.)
 * Markild (2nd:Hybrid 5, 3rd:Hybrid 4b)
 * Fenris (2nd:Hybrid 5, 3rd:Hybrid 4b)
 * Gem (2nd: Hybrid 3, No: Lanscape v4) I want to change the ugly light gray used in the list to a bit nicer color. Also the black backround around the lists skill icons should be changed to white.
 * Kalomeli (2nd: Hybrid:3)

Related Voters

 * Dinosaur Planet (previous vote was landscape v4)
 * Bishop (previous vote was skuld easy)
 * Evil_Greven (previous votes were: Hybrid 6 > Hybrid5)
 * LordBiro (previous vote was Hybrid 6)
 * User:Theeth
 * User:Tetris L
 * User:TheSpectator
 * User:LordKestrel
 * User:130.58
 * User:Novalith
 * User:Cloud
 * User:Evan The Cursed
 * Karlos
 * 161.88.x.x

Voting Results
The voting time has passed, Hybrid 6 got a majority even before considering secondary-votes. Last chance to dispute before massive change takes place. -PanSola 04:11, 29 April 2006 (CDT)
 * My first choice so I am happy with this. A few minor changes only, which I alrea~dy mentioned. I want to change the ugly light gray used in the list to a bit nicer color. Also the black backround around the lists skill icons should be changed to white. Nothing which would need a new vote, I think. --Gem [[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 04:19, 29 April 2006 (CDT)

Choices
1. Example:

Advantages:
 * Quicker identification of skills
 * Gives skills section some color, i.e pretty

Disadvantages:
 * Not all icons are clearly visible
 * Spaces out the skill lists

2. Example: Balthazar's Aura

Advantages:
 * Simple link
 * Already in place for the majority of the pages

Disadvantages:
 * Some players cannot identify well with just the name of a skill
 * Too plain

3. Me and my sockpuppet will vote for whoever offers me (or my sockpuppet) the best bribe

Vote
Vote for #1
 * 1) Does no harm and could do some good. Using images to promote association is good interface design. Don't think it contravenes GW:CONTENT.  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 06:00, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 2) All I see are positives; the only negative to me is the time to implement to make all consistent - not a reason to avoid a design improvement. --- Barek (talk &bull; contribs) - 13:41, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 3) At first I thought the icons would "weigh to heavy" in the eye, but the example looks quite nice to me. Therefore an Aye to #1. --MRA 15:23, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 4) As a wise cow once said: Moo. --Karlos 17:45, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 5) Hmmmm, icons, yummy! --[[Image:TurningL sml.gif|Tetris L]] 03:07, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 6) I've clicked countless times on text links only to see the icon and instantly recognize the skill. So, pro-icon from me. --Chi Li [[Image:Chi_Li.gif|Chi Li]] 03:23, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 7) These are a HUGE help for me as I am very bad remembering names. I recognize most skills faster from icons and so do many other people. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 13:05, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 8) Ooooo shiny! -- [[Image:Bishop_icon2.png]] Bishop [ rap|con ] 16:16, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 9) I vote for it --Boozer69n 18:10, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 10) Yeh &mdash; Skuld  11:35, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 11) I think they're pretty, and they are frequently recognizable I find. My only concern is bandwidth, but until someone can tell me the ACTUAL effect on bandwidth, I'll support the icons. -- Lord Ehzed 08:14, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 12) Unless User:Gravewit himself told me this eats bandwidth, I would not believe it. Images are cached by most web browsers, and I don't see why this would be different. (After testing, I can verify images are indeed cached client-side: [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified] ) &mdash; Galil  20:04, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

Vote for #2 Other
 * 1) Some players can suck it. GW:CONTENT. – 70.20  ( &#x260e; ) 2006-06-11 10:50 (UTC)
 * 2) Me don't like. --84-175 (talk) 18:04, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 3) Waste of bandwidth, most icons unreadable at that size. --Rainith 19:13, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 4) See my comments, here and here, above for my opinion. --Gares Redstorm 22:02, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 5) Creates too much clutter with the icons looking at the example. --Xasxas256 22:03, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 6) I'm here for the 10k. - 17:23, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 7) I do understand that some people recognise images better, but the icons are too small and takes up bandwidth and space. Alot of consistency issues too.  23:51, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 8) for all the reason said above--Aratak 20:15, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 1) I vote for "yes" only if the following conditions are true:
 * 2) *It doesn't take up too much more bandwidth (Gwiki is loading slower and slower these days).
 * 3) *We come to a consensus on whether we do this to EVERYTHING (i.e. collectibles, etc). I want conformity dang it!
 * 4) *I'm not relegated to be the one updating all the pages.
 * 5) **Otherwise, I'd vote no. --Ryard 11:32, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
 * 6) (Add your vote and your reason here)

Discussion
What is the close date on this vote? It has been open over a week, but with an open ended close date, nothing can really be finalized. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 08:36, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Do we even have 6 more active people who would vote on this? I think we can end this today. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 08:45, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Shall we vote on whether to end this early? d-: - 08:49, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

Haven't we (the beauty loving Kurzicks) defeated them (the ugliness loving Luxons) in this issue yet? --Karlos 16:07, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I'll concede defeat, altho I will offer PanSola 10K for each sockpuppet he creates to vote for no icons. ;)
 * So now someone just needs to change them all.... --Rainith 16:41, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * "Someone"? O.o *wipes sweat from brow* I say its ended, skill icons win. --Gares Redstorm 16:57, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * No bots? *snif* I'll help with this, as long as we decide hoo to make it organised. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 17:18, 19 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Just do it like we did the bestiary thing. Make sure to do a whole "sub category" when you start (i.e. don't start on Outcasts and stop half-way through). And then mark the ones you have done here. Also, if you see another working on them, then work from the opposite side (i.e. if he's going alphabetically from A to Z then you start from Z). --Karlos 18:37, 19 June 2006 (CDT)