User talk:GW-Stabber

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You're back
Since I am here, and I'm sure you and I will have many discussions...welcome back. - Jack  20:14, 26 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Guildwiki is becoming an official ANet sponsored thing??? Anyway, welcome back hopefully. --Xeeron 05:35, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * See GuildWiki talk:Community Portal. Welcome back Stabber. :) --Karlos 06:44, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Nice to see you (again). Just stop leaving, you can't stay away! Ahahahahaha!!!11eleventhirteenseventeennineteentwentythree *ahem* (That's as many primes as I can list off the top of my head.) Nice to meet you ingame too, yesterday. --Tinarto [[Image:Tinarto-gold-Monk-icon-small.png]] 07:40, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Welcome back, nice to have you again. - Unchain 16:10, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * * Moves in silently hoping not to scare her away* Welcome back! *Disappears* --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 17:24, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

Former mentions
Ha ha you make me laugh, well you knew the GuildWiki would fall apart in your absence didn't you :P Actually I do still have one thing over you, you've made exactly 100 more edits to your user page than I've made to mine, so who's really spent more time on it? :) Besides some of that elaborateness directy related to you and my red candle I was burning in your honour while you were gone. Also I'd like to point out that you don't have the ultimate user page on your list, check out Fyren now that is impressive! It's good to have you back. --Xasxas256 12:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

"but if it is going to become an official Arena Net sponsored thing, then I want in."
Well, if it does go that way, the type of people whose behavior drove you away would probably increase 100-fold... Glad to see you back, but just want you to be prepared and not hold any illusions of what GuildWiki will see in the future d-: - 18:28, 27 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Eh. I don't blame anyone but myself for getting into fights. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:35, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

Community expectations
I heartily endorse this product and/or service! Kidding aside, if you wanted to show up those who thought of you as "just a wikignome", you could not have done so more effectively. Glad you're back and contributing again. Hope you stay a while this time. --Bishop (rap|con) 05:01, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
 * That wikignome stuff was a load, heck she run the GuildWiki's only bot, clearly she's more than just an editor who fixes a few spelling mistakes. --Xasxas256 05:57, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
 * And I'm definitely almost as much a wikignome as Stabber. Heck, I don't even have factions yet and I'm making all these edits on Factions stuff. - 06:27, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

The death of victory
Honestly, why not just correct the silly typo? I don't think we have a policy against fixing typo's in religiously sacrosanct ANet announcements... :p --Bishop (rap|con) 13:51, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Why not indeed. I am not the author of that policy, however. I have half a mind to raise this issue on the Community Portal, but at the moment I am distracted by a call to GvG. Maybe in a few hours. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 13:53, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Fair 'nuff. I wasn't aware of the policy, thank you for bringing it to my attention. If you do bring it up, I'll second a change in a heartbeat. --Bishop (rap|con) 13:59, 2 June 2006 (CDT)

View on an official wiki
I would like more info on some of your points. First off your choice of people that can edit the wiki. that goes agaist all what wiki stand for. I see that an official wiki need to be more control then guildwiki but cutting user for editing is not a good idea. My view on that would be allowing everybody to see it and if you want to change something you need to link your username with your guildwars accounts. that would prevend most people from doing dmg because losing your game account if you do vendalism would scare most children. (I see that this limit the users permited to edit but if you dont trust Anet with your account you probably wanted to hurt the wiki.) Second point, the idea of not having weapon screenshot. I dont see why not. Anet have shown there concept for weapon and show some armor screenshot. Just to see own many demmand on forums for weapons and armors screen shot would confirm the need for such page. Since Anet have approuved some build ( the pvp one) I dont see why they shouldnt allowed more. Since they want to keep the game balance why would only a handful of people have access to "secret build" to farm and domminate other players with money? Well I would accept that Anet prevend those build to be put on the wiki but they should fix them in the first place. Im just looking for explanation on your view. --Aratak 14:26, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * My proposed access restriction is only for editors. The official wiki should be publicly readable, of course, or what's the point? For screenshots, I think a company making an RPG should leave some things for the players to discover. If everyone knew about Zodiac skins from day 1, for example, they wouldn't have been so highly sought after. As for builds, the build articles in the GuildWiki are highly opinionated and even several of the so-called "tested builds" are not necessarily superior to possible variants. The funny thing, though, is that these articles pretend to be objective and factual. Now, you'll note that I do recommend certain opinionated articles be allowed in an official wiki, but these articles would be obviously (marked as) opinions. The premade builds are an exception because they have already been officially blessed by Arena Net. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 19:35, 2 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I must admit, that as a long time user of GuildWiki, I'm glad to see that it's finally getting the recognition it deserves. I've found it to be an invaluable resource.  But what happens to the user such as myself that has information to profide, but has only recently started to take a part in providing to the Wiki community?  Are we just cut out of the loop altogether and go back to being a pure user?--Xis10al 15:55, 3 June 2006 (CDT)


 * No, users such as yourself would still be welcome on the GuildWiki. I do not wish to see the GuildWiki dead. My opinion is solely about an official wiki sponsored by Arena Net. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 15:58, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

What would be the difference between this new wiki idea and a page like this http://guildwars.gameamp.com/, or any number of other Guild Wars fan sites? They already have most of the content you seem to want, and they also only allow a few priveleged editors to modify the content of those pages. Is your main goal to be officially sponsored? Is it to control content in peace and quiet without the unwashed masses making a mess of things? I don't want to sound harsh, but it seems like you don't really want to be a part of a wiki community. It seems like you want your own page that's officially sponsored and can only be edited by a select group of friends. That's great for you, and a few select others, but kind of irrelevant to the rest of us. --Tjoneil 22:54, 3 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Well, first of all this new wiki idea isn't mine. See GuildWiki talk:Community Portal. Secondly, it doesn't describe a fansite, but rather a site created and sponsored by Arena Net. Thirdly, while I do participate in several fansites, I have no loyalties to any of them. If an official wiki sprouts, I will move there if allowed, because I believe an official wiki stands to benefit the Guild Wars community more than a fansite. Lastly, I suffer no delusions that I would be allowed on any official wiki that follows my suggested design. I don't as such have any problems with not being given access, as I don't consider any activities I am engaged in here or on any fansite to be particularly necessary for the well being of the Guild Wars community. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 23:01, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

Style & Formatting box
Hey Stabber, I quite like the Style & Formatting box you recently added to all of the Style & Formatting articles. Was there a discussion on this?  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 05:33, 4 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Yes, but the discussion was conducted entirely inside my head. It was a heated debate, with a narrowly contested conclusion that had to be won with ridiculously overblown campaign promises. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 05:35, 4 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Ah, ridiculously overblown campaign promises FTW, as the kids say these days. Ho ho ho.


 * So did you win or lose the debate? I'm guessing you won, but perhaps you lost and you are now forced to implement changes that you don't agree with. That's always a tough position to be in.  &lt;LordBiro&gt;/&lt;Talk&gt; 05:53, 4 June 2006 (CDT)


 * There was no majority. The minority parties had to scramble together a coalition at the last moment, but a no confidence motion is imminent and the coalition is sure to collapse. Stock markets have been down in early day trading. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 06:10, 4 June 2006 (CDT)

template:Userbox
The template you made is a few pixels too big... which makes my user page look ugly.. I tried to tinkering with your code but it is beyond me... any chance of fixing it? here is a picture displaying the difference between it & common userboxes on the wiki. --Jamie 09:22, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Perhaps moving the margin from the div into the table would work? I have no idea. Someone more clued into CSS quirks should take a shot at it. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 17:41, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * The template was 2px too big, I found the proper value and changed it (238px to 236px) - Jack  19:00, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

GuildWiki:Requests_for_adminship
Question: On Requests_for_adminship it appears that the only entry on which you have listed as one of the counts for "Support" is the one which you did not nominate. Did you intend to vote support for all the others that you had nominated?

FYI: I'm not a contender. I don't consider myself admin material. Besides, I'm playing other games now and will be here less often going forward. --I am 161.88 12:57, 5 June 2006 (CDT)
 * According to the RfA, a nomination counts as a support vote (see bottom of page). --Draygo Korvan 13:01, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Raisu Palace (Mission)
Thanks, adding it as a tip in the Master's section without the extra verbage seems a better fit. I still want to work on quantifying each some when I get a chance (numbers and types of obstacles), but that will take a while as other projects are up first. --- Barek (talk &bull; contribs) - 17:22, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Tight Editorial Restrictions
Another person's opinion: I disagree 100% with your restrictions. This doesn't allow for any room for creativity, take the Builds section--without the contributions of those anonymous users, we wouldn't have the guides like the N/Mo 55hp Solo Necromancer. I understand that documenting the game is a 100% full-time job, but that doesn't mean GuildWiki should be limited to only that. Of course, this is coming from someone who makes little to no contributions to the GuildWiki--save for the few builds and little pushes I've given to some articles. - Jack  18:51, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Read the bolded dislaimer at the top please. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 20:31, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Even though I read the article, I didn't grasp the fact that you are suggesting a completely seperate wiki. Not a bad idea, but I think Arena Net shouldn't bother doing something like that when they have us :) (Sorry about the outburst) - Jack  21:34, 5 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes, the separate wiki thing took me a minute the first time too. --Tinarto [[Image:Tinarto-gold-Monk-icon-small.png]] 03:50, 6 June 2006 (CDT)


 * I honestly hope ANet does not create an almost rival Wiki. Though I would love to be one of the players selected from the community that could edit. :D And I am not sure how the art department would like not having their work documented. :P --Gares Redstorm 11:20, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

Cya
Good luck with your conferences and whatnot. I agree with Blessed Light's awesomeness ^^ &mdash; Skuld  09:05, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I pass on my regards too on you taking another break, although this time there is a marked lack of fireworks on your departure :P Still it's been nice to have you back these last two weeks making tonnes of contribs again. We'll try to look out for your user page too, because you're in a very exclusive club of people here who've actually had user page vandalism! If you're doing a summer of conferences I guess you're got the student part covered, see if you can rediscover your secondary necromancer too!! ;) --Xasxas256 18:20, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I'm always a student at heart, but it's been several years since I've been enrolled in any educational institution as a student. Conferences happen every summer and fall and I have to make at least a token appearance for papers that have my name among the (usually long list of) authors, although I find reading the papers to be several times more edifying than the blurry days of presentation soup that most conferences are. I guess the networking side of things has its plus points. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:36, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I miss uni too although given the amount of time I spend here on the GuildWiki during work (like right now for example) I'm probably not doing too bad. But seeing the trainees and work placement guys come in does give a bit of a nostalgic gaze sometimes, the last year of uni was great, by that stage you know how to "play the game" and so many elective meant I could do plenty of stuff I liked (in my case as many eco subjects as I could). But I think main reason I miss uni is seeing my sister go out every night because she's just started her 7 weeks of mid semester holidays! Now that's the life! --Xasxas256 19:18, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Do you speak of this arcane thing I hear rumors of, called "dating"? Hmmm.... --Tinarto [[Image:Tinarto-gold-Monk-icon-small.png]] 20:51, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Huh, what are you talking about? Me and Stabber dating? Me and my sister dating? Ugh what's wrong with you! Oh my sister going out on dates. No there's no dating, I must be married to the job or something, I mean I neglect it and take it for granted, aren't they the cornerstones of a modern marrage? Well I only said I'd look after Stabber's user page, I made no mention of any talk pages, I'm sure she'll be incredibly impressed when it's degenerated into a dating guide! --Xasxas256 21:01, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Haha! "How to reach 3rd base on your very first date - The five step approach" by Xasxas256. Now that's worth reading :) &mdash; Fenris  [[Image:FenrisPaw.jpg]] 21:20, 7 June 2006 (CDT)

Uploads
Hey there - you mentioned uploading empirical testing (data files) but the wiki seems only to accept .jpg, .png and .ogg files. I can re-name my excell file to .jpg, and simply have a caution saying that one should change the extension to .xls to open it, but that seems silly. Anyway, I'll gladly contribute any testing I do, but it should be possible within the wiki structure rather than through something like that.--Epinephrine 15:15, 11 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Oh? That's unfortunate. Hmm... how about exporting it as a CSV file and uploading that as plain text in some page? If it's too much work, just forget about it. Having the raw data is only a luxury. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 17:44, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

Ranger masks
Since you were responsible for like half the Ranger galleries, I figure you can help populate Ranger Attribute Headgears with thumbnail shots like how Mesmer Attribute Headgears look. I lack the energy and passion for rangers to download the shots individually and crop them and then reupload them... - 17:21, 11 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Sadly, I don't have a computer with Windows to log into GW. I tried for a long time, but I just can't get GW running under cedega on my strange laptop graphics card. So this will have to wait until I'm back home in mid July. Hopefully someone else can do the honors. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 17:44, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

"don't follow football"
How about "soccer", will they figure out what you mean? d-: - 17:39, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

I like pancakes.
Mmmmm, pancakes. Especially with maple syrup and bacon on the side. -- Bishop [ rap|con ] 10:14, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I like apple pancakes... Mmmm. --Draygo Korvan 10:17, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Bacon, eh? Sorry, I don't dig on swine. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 10:40, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Then stabber you can be a fan of putting a glob of applesauce on top of your pancake and pour maple syrup on top. Mmmmm. --Draygo Korvan 10:42, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Let's keep this PG-13, OK? &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 10:46, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Draygo's got a food fetish. Never heard it called a pancake before though :P --Gares Redstorm 11:20, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Well prepared bacon is irresistible goodness that has caused many a strong man to fall off the kosher wagon. But far be it from me to dictate anyones feeding habits. To each his, or her, own. Pancakes are nice with strawberry marmalade and/or ice cream too. -- [[Image:Bishop_icon2.png]] Bishop [ rap|con ] 11:37, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

Suggestions
I want to say I respect someone that speaks their mind. Hope your having fun travelling around. --Gares Redstorm 11:20, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

When adding borders
...do you resize or crop? -- Bishop [ rap|con ] 14:15, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Just to clarify. This is about the borders of the skill icons. --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] 15:21, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Resize. Hang on, I wrote a script to do it using ImageMagick and I'm sure it's in this laptop somewhere. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:01, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Here it is. The incantation you need to convert an unboxed  to a boxed   is:
 * Replace  with   for elites. HTH &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:11, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Replace  with   for elites. HTH &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 18:11, 15 June 2006 (CDT)


 * It does help, thanks. I may be be able to squeeze in some time for adding those borders tonight. -- [[Image:Bishop_icon2.png]] Bishop [ rap|con ] 05:50, 16 June 2006 (CDT)

Game update 1RV issue
I've been sitting at my desk for the last half an hour thinking about what I should say on the issue and basically I'm a bit torn. I quite like both you and Karlos, Karlos is a good guy having spoken to him on several occasions in game and he obviously cares about the wiki and it's contributors. However I'm big wrap for your presence here, I think you look at things a bit differently and you're prepared to tackle a wider range of things than the average contributor. So I feel bad "picking a side", however I think Karlos did the wrong thing reverting again. To me when you re-re-reverted and then requested a ban and protection on PanSola's talk page it looked like you fell on your sword. Requesting a ban on just Karlos looks bad whereas intentionally breaking the rule and requesting a ban of the both of you doesn't.

I could be wrong about the falling on the sword thing but either way you both (in my opinion) did too much reverting! But I think that Karlos should have taken it to the talk page instead of doing the first re-revert. My high opinion of both of you hasn't diminished, everybody makes mistakes and I don't think either of you should be hung out to dry for it. So there's my take, if even Gares Redstorm is getting stuck in then I should state my opinion. If you don't want to remove the +ban tag which is currently placed on you, I'd be happy to, just ask. --Xasxas256 22:27, 15 June 2006 (CDT)