User talk:Readem/Visions of Regret

This is a fun thing to do, when you got nothing to do :D. Readem (talk *contribs ) 09:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I agree. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   17:04, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Discussion
EWW SKILL. I no like this skill, i have no room on any of my skill bars for tis one, GOLE BUILD FTW--Stevo101 15:44, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Yea i totally delete everyones build while trying to post my own had to do liek 90 reverts lol

Then you violated GW:1RV 89 times! Gratz!&mdash; Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 20:37, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Call the police?--Stevo101 20:41, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Worse...Skuld XD jk. Readem (talk *contribs ) 20:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Ouch Skuld has leet RV abilites, SKULD REVERT PLEZ--Stevo101 20:43, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

This skill really is just low on the overall effectiveness level for an elite skill. It's just not all that dangerous in most situations. Might work in a hex heavy team though, and if the other team doesn't have DH... lol. --Lania Elderfire 22:12, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

What Lania said. Use some non-elites like Soothing, Signet of Rage, Soothing Images, Sympathetic Visage, Blackout. Or use Signet of Midnight >.> (T/C) 20:23, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

Synergy
Synergizes well with skills that force the use of adrenaline skills, Spirit Shackles being a prime example. --   17:01, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

PVP or PVE?
PvP. In PvE you should just use Empathy or something, monsters are too stupid to counter it. In PvP Warriors are actually dangerous enough to waste an elite like this countering them...though I can see it also being used on a Bladed Aatxe to counter Riposte. Still poor all around imo...organized PvP doesn't need a Mesmer running this. Take anti-caster elite or take another anti-Warrior Mesmer elite...can't think of any at the moment but I know there are some. (T/C) 20:23, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

Icon?
I say it's a warrior, being haunted by the face of somebody he killed. --   17:00, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Trivia
It's used by the Evil Mime. Now tell me, why on earth does a Mime not have Vow of Silence? Stupid ArenaNet... --   17:03, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Contest
Testing will now commence! Readem (talk *contribs ) 22:47, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Me/E:
Attributes:
 * Domination - 12 + 1 + 1...3
 * Inspiration - 9 + 1
 * Fast Casting - 9 + 1

Usage:Glyph of Lesser Energy --> Spirit Shackles --> Visions of Regret. Mind Wrack as cover hex +dmg when they keep attacking, due to Spirit Shackles. Spirit Shackles forces use of Adrenaline and Signet skills only. Complicate eliminates Signets. Web of Disruption --> Drain Delusions for a nice double interrupt and energy steal. Intended for PvP useage. --   16:59, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Not bad. Mine is coming soon, too bad yours features most of the skills I would have picked.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 18:58, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Also: Ignorance pwns Complicate. I was thinking something like this:

Attributes:
 * Domination - 12 + 1 + 1
 * Inspiration - 9 + 1 +
 * Fast Casting - 9 + 1

Me/Mo
 Me/Mo

--Stevo101 19:54, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Domination - 12 +
 * Inspiration - 9 + 1
 * Fast Casting - 9 + 1

Me/Any
--Stevo101 19:54, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Domination - 12 + 1 + 1
 * Inspiration - 6 + 1
 * Fast Casting - 11 + 1

Me/N

 * Domination - 12 + 1 + 1
 * Inspiration - 7 + 1
 * Fast Casting - 8 + 1
 * Curses - 8

--Lania Elderfire 22:03, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * NOTE: I think this might be somewhat effective in GvG with a lot of warrior hate... but it is such a one trick pony where other one trick ponies does it much better.
 * Do the words "Casting Time" mean nothing to you? By my math it takes 12.5 seconds to cast your full bar of hexes.  By that time, one of you is dead, and the battle is already over.  And yes, I did include Fast Casting. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    22:13, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Not to mention with all that anitmelee they'll never gain adrenaline, just taking damage doesn't fuel your adrenaline enough.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 23:34, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Eh... 12.5 seconds in a GvG is nothing. If you can unload your entire bar on two or three warriors in 12.5 seconds, you're faster than average, tbh (obviously you wouldn't throw them *all* on the same warrior, since that'd leave their other warrior free to smash people's faces in). -Auron [[Image:Elit Druin.jpg|19px||My Talk]] 23:37, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah heh... like auron said, who ever said to unload all of it at once especially at just one warrior? Coordinate with your other team mates, especially in a hex heavy team as to not stack hexes that conflict... ie. faintheartedness and empathy etc. Remember it's GvG --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 23:58, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Me/Mo
12 +3+1 Domination Magic, 9 +1 Inspiration Magic, 9 Smiting Prayers, 3 +1 Fast Casting


 * Usage:
 * maintain 8.
 * 1,2, wait for charge, 6 if needed, 3,4.
 * 5 and 7 as needed.
 * Bane Signet is wild.
 * Advantages:
 * Encourage adrenaline by blocking everything else.
 * signets mean low energy use.
 * Detriments:
 * & only, and not all of them.
 * not a lot of energy management, and chain is expensive and repeatable (visions is limiting factor)
 * 9 pts is a lot for two skills. consider Smite Hex instead of Hex Eater Signet for a better value, or Accumulated Pain & Images of Remorse to reinvest. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 02:11, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

Results (Joke)
Haze Singer Wins!--Stevo101 00:17, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
 * O.o --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   00:18, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

I nominate...
I nominate Grenth's Grasp as the next SotW. Don't worry, we'll find a use for you yet! :)&mdash; Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 23:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT)


 * R/Ds with Called Shot etc were popular a while ago. &mdash; Skuld 02:50, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I nominate Skuld for the next SotW--Stevo101 13:12, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Eh, I've always thought Skuld was a bit overpowered myself, and deserved a nerf. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   16:27, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Skuld needs a major nerf, He does like 8k dmg against u when u use frenzyStevo101 18:17, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

I nominate Scavenger's Focus. (T/C) 20:23, 25 April 2007 (CDT)


 * I'd nominate Keystone Signet but we all know that wouldn't turn anything up. So I nominate HaO --Gimmethegepgun 20:51, 25 April 2007 (CDT)
 * HaO should replace Comfort Animal, duh. Pure Beastmaster doesn't need an elite imo...Ferocious Strike is meh, RaO is for thumpers, SaO sucks still, Enraged Lunge is pretty decent but allows for less defensive buffs. The other BM elites are... ehh... [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:56, 25 April 2007 (CDT)


 * I agree with that. I don't really like the other BM elites, they don't really do a whole lot more for you than non-elite pet attacks will. You shouldn't be needing Ferocious if you're going pure BM since you'll have extremely large expertise, Enraged Lunge is fun to watch a dire pig or something maul someone for 100+ damage, but that's about it, since you gotta keep everything else recharging or it'll be awful. RaO... Call of Haste :D Anyway, I love my beastmaster, though it would be terrible if it weren't for the new pet controls. Finally ANet does something RIGHT! Too bad they nerfed Bestial Mauling because of it :( --Gimmethegepgun 21:04, 25 April 2007 (CDT)

Contest Results
The Contests is not over yet! Votes for certain Builds may still be submitted! One vote counts as 5+ Points! Get in your votes! Readem (talk *contribs ) 16:57, 29 April 2007 (CDT)

1. (Tie) Zerris Score:95 (35+20+40)

Reasons:Drain Delusion+ Wb= ftw. Complicate is < than Ignorance.

Cheese Slaya Score: (40+15+40)

Reasons: Skills very good synergy, like Ignorance better then Complicate.

2.Honorable Sarah Score:90 (35+15+40)

Reasons: Very Unique, the only thing I didn't like was Bane Signet. Didn't seem to fit in the bar O.o...

3.Stevo101 Me/Mo Score:85 (35+15+35)

Reasons: Much Better, a few skills didn't quite fit though.

4.Stevo101 Me/any Score:75 (30+15+30)

Reasons: Not the greatest of synergy dude, sorry.

5.Lania Elderfire Score:70 (25+15+30)

Reasons: Sorry Lania, but I found that Warriors would simply stop attacking+ I had very little energy.
 * You didn't use this in PvP anything other than GvG did you? Since that is what this was designed for to keep warriors from pressuring the monks or softies in GvG. Yes if you used it in RA this does fail. --Lania Elderfire[[Image:Pinkribbonsig.gif|My Talk]] 12:12, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Nope, replaced this w/ our usual PvP BS Utility Ele. Points or trying though ;). Readem (talk *contribs ) 17:14, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

Winners
I'll let Zerris pick the skill since zerris had the Me/E bar first.&mdash; Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 18:20, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Gender confused today, hrmm? Well, I *am* Male, despite my characters being of mixed geneders... Not my fault they gave all the male chars skirts. As far as the new skill goes, I think I'll pick Signet of Illusions, just to see what people can think of, builds wise. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    18:46, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
 * accidently hit "s":P.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 22:04, 29 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Cool cheese, your a good sport! :D <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 21:17, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Believe me, I'm not. It's just incase Gem is watching.&mdash;[[Image:Cheese.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 22:08, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
 * I saw that... --[[Image:Gem-icon-sm.png]] (gem / talk) 22:11, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Uh-oh. *strafes through exit*&mdash;[[Image:Cheese.jpg|50x19px]] Cheese Slaya  ( Talk ) 22:14, 30 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Rofl. <font color="Black">Readem (<font color="Red">talk *<font color="Black">contribs ) 22:16, 30 April 2007 (CDT)