Talk:Brutal Mauling

I think this also interrupts? But it's been a long time since I've been in pre-Searing and I'm too lazy to check. --Fyren 07:04, 4 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * I'm don't know if it interrupts anymore, I'll try to check it out. I know they changed the bears (in pre-searing) so that if you try to charm them they iterrupt you automatically, they don't use any special attack, you just get interrupted.--Rainith 07:09, 4 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Ok, I did test this and Brutal Mauling does not cause an interrupt. My guess is that when they changed bears in Pre-searing to make them so that they could not be charmed and gave them their "charm breaker" ability they took away the interrupt function of this skill.  --Rainith 12:51, 4 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Here's something you may find interesting, in the Spanish version the description remains:
 * "Attack. Beastly attack that will make target bleed for 5 seconds."
 * Maybe it was like that in beta, but now they changed it so it is a bit easier to kill them in Pre-Searing. But they forgot to readjust the speed of its attack later to make the bear up to other Animals and to change the new description in some languages. --Mithran 16:55, 12 Aug 2006 (GMT+1)

It definitely does some sort of damage
There is definitely some extra damage taking place with the Brutal Mauling. It may not be showing up with the yellow numbers, but it is there. I've been evolving my bear into a Dire pet at the Ice Tooth Cave, and I have been noticing a dramatic drop in the minotaurs life right after a Brutal Mauling. Strangely, no yellow number that corresponds to that amount of damage shows up over the minotaur when this happens. Perhaps its some sort of life drain? My bear doesn't take much damage, so I can't tell for sure. I am certain, though that extra damage is occurring.--Token Cleric 17:48, 6 September 2006 (CDT)


 * Strange. I have been unable to duplicate my experience with the minotaurs on the Practice targets.  It could be that the dummies don't take the type of damage that is being dealt.  I will conduct further research on the minotaurs themselves as time permits.--Token Cleric 20:11, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

The drop of life is caused by the ending of Endure Pain.


 * Yup, that explains it. Frustrating.  I thought I was on to something with that.  Well, the bear has gone back to the "worst pet in the game" stage.  Too bad, too; it's one of the cooler looking pets.--Token Cleric 23:26, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

Stats
4 adrenaline, 4 second activation &mdash; Skuld 10:36, 21 September 2006 (CDT)
 * Where'd you get that info from? And is that pre- or post-searing info?[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  11:04, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
 * The article says 2 seconds to cast and not 4 plus it doesn't take that long in my experience. It's more like 2-3 seconds.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  12:43, 9 November 2006 (CST)
 * Having experimented with it, I agree that it's an adrenaline skill (cost 4), the "recharge time" however I don't see (why 4 seconds?). I think the "casting time" is not far off; I measured an average of a bear attack every 2.6 seconds or so, and a normal pet averages every 2.15 seconds or something - that means that in a cycle of 4 attacks the bear takes 1.8 seconds longer, all due to the Brutal Mauling.  Of course, since this is added to the attack time, 2.15+1.8 is about 4 seconds, making the total time for a brutal mauling attack about 4 seconds.  The nature ritual Infuriating Heat allowed the bear I charmed to use brutal mauling every second swing, against a practice target. Just think, you could make a bear even less effective!  Perhaps in a paragon based build having every second attack trigger a shout would be handy, but the attack rate (and damage per second) suffers horribly.  You end up with an attack every 3 seconds instead of every 2.15, dealing about 30% less damage over time.  One thing I noticed is a change in how it is used.  If I wand a target once and the bear attacks it never uses the brutal mauling, I have to continue wanding the target for the skill to be used (at least wanding occasionally). --Epinephrine 01:05, 17 November 2006 (CST)
 * Good to see you still around Epinephrine. Your wanding efforts were tested by me as well a long time ago on GWO forums with the same concludion.  So feasibly, a spellcaster that doesn't attack more than the one time to start the pet attacking will have a more effective bear than a melee character.
 * It has been viewed also that the Paragon shouts would help the bear in the aspect you mention too. Knowing that it is an adrenaline based skill scares me now as I need to watch out for adrenaline increasing effects.  I wonder if the pet obtains adrenaline from it's own attacks or the owners...?  And does a skill like Ferocious Strike add adrenaline to the Brutal Mauling adrenaline pool as well as your own thus making Ferocious Strike a poorer choice for a Bear owner?  hm... Soothing actually helps a bear as well as Soothing Images as they stop or reduce adrenaline gain.  Thanks for the added research.  Definitely worth noting.--[[Image:VallenIconwhitesmall.JPG]]  Vallen Frostweaver  10:32, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Paragon's "next attack skill"
Brutal Mauling is an attack skill and as such it triggers Paragon skills like Anthem of Flame. Yes, it works, I tested it. Yay, finally a use for this skill! :) --84-175 (talk) 02:51, 5 November 2006 (CST)
 * Nevermind, just saw that it is already mentioned in the notes of Anthem of Flame... --84-175 (talk) 02:52, 5 November 2006 (CST)