User talk:Defiant Elements/Archive 5

Hi
[ I think we've got enough of that for a while now.] I for one would appreciate some of your ranting on entropy's bureaucrat page though. Lord of all tyria 22:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll get around to posting there at some point. Unfortunately, I only know two of the candidates, but I'm sure I'll think of something (probably a more general wiki-wide rant which encompasses that discussion).  As to igniting drama, well... I need some way to amuse myself, don't I? ;) At the moment though, there's plenty of wikidrama goin' on (which is a large part of the reason I'm watching RCs at the moment to be honest).  To be fair though, I was considering creating a nomination for myself on that page with either an epic, long nomination reason (a la GWW) or an epic, short nomination reason (e.g. "Because I was bored") to see what kinds of responses I'd get, but I decided to take pity on GuildWiki (and on Entropy in particular).  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  22:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well... three down, two to go. Unfortunately, I have no real way of knowing how much sense some of my comments make, since I don't actually know the users in question. :/  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  23:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Long time no see, DE. I've missed you a lot. Not enough of the level-headed old timers left around here these days... :( Reading your approval of Auron, I have to say that as much as I like to rag on PvX for general crap (admit it - the place is ugly), it has had so much fewer major user disputes in relation to the amount of traffic it gets. So coming from you I think that assessment says a lot.
 * Oh yeah, and if you were nominated...frankly I wouldn't know what to think. Like many of the old-timers, you've been pretty much dead here for so long that I almost did not know who you were when I saw your name in my Watchlist. While I personally know that Auron keeps an eye here even when he doesn't contribute, I was not/am not aware that you do the same; so I would not be totally comfortable promoting you. You're otherwise qualified though, no worries there. Anyway, yeah, it's good to see you back even if it may only be for a little while. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, it's nice to be back. About the old-timers, that's the sad thing I suppose, I have some fond memories of hours spent on GuildWiki, but post builds wipe, my interest really died out, and on those rare occasions that I check in, it's sad to see GuildWiki's current state.  Nowadays, I doubt there are more than a half-dozen serious GuildWiki contributors who even remember who I am -- it seems like most everyone who was anyone, with a few notable exceptions of course ;), moved on to GWW or PvX or both.  And yeah, PvX is full of crap -- I'll be the first to admit that -- it's a problem we've been trying to remedy of late to be honest, but it has its positives.
 * And about the nomination, that was truly a joke (I thought it might be funny to see how many comments of "Who?" and "No way!" I got -- I suspect the number would be high). I drop by every once in a while to see what's goin' on, but I would definitely not go so far as to say that I've been keeping an eye on things here.  I'm starting to vulture GuildWiki's RCs again, but I doubt I'll have the impetus to make a serious foray into rejoining the community in a major way; besides, I'm gonna be away most of the summer, so I'd make a terrible backup :P.  And I highly doubt I'll do much in the way of posting (maybe on the occasional discussion), but yeah, I'll try to be around for moral support if nothing else (even I've been having trouble wading through the wiki-drama that seems to characterize this place of late).  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  05:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know who you are, but speaking as a relative newcomer to GuildWiki (and the GW community in general), I find it mildly irritating when people pine for the "good old days." Such reactionary thought doesn't do any good. The only rule of existence that never changes is that of change itself. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What an entirely unnecessary comment. Is my passive act of reminiscing with someone with whom I've not spoken in a year (give or take) really so repulsive to you that you feel the need to take offense and remark on my talk page?  Did I ever say, here or otherwise, that this was my way of "do[ing] good?"  No.  But it's not harmful either.  I'm not trying to remake the current GuildWiki in the (admittedly somewhat idealized) form of my fond remembrances, I'm merely remembering.  Yes, I'm saddened by the current state of GuildWiki, but does that detract from your own attempts to improve it?  Certainly not.  It's an opinion, nothing more, nothing less, and one which need not concern you in any way, shape, or form unless you so choose to involve yourself.  Besides, I'm well aware that change will take place, but, keep in mind that the only rule of reminiscing is that the "old days" are invariable the "good old days."  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  05:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

(Note to self: stop posting at ~ 2 am). *Defiant Elements*  +talk  05:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I certainly didn't mean to cause you any distress, I was just stating my views on a relevant topic. If you'd like to have a private conversation, a wiki is not the place to do it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Certainly none taken (in general, I couldn't care less what people think of me or my actions on wikis, but it's late, and when it's late, I become more prone to ostentatious language -- thus the note to self ;) ). [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  05:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That was uncalled for, Felix. :C You are feeling bitter, but please don't let your personal misfortunes detract from the happiness of others. If you want to harass anyone, make it me; I am responsible. But please don't drag my dear old comrade into it.
 * You are certainly right, DE...how the mighty have fallen. It's hard, still being here. I was here when we were the No. 1 site anywhere for Guild Wars. And now, who remembers us anymore? Who remains behind but the most loyal and dogged? I...We...have tried hard to rebuild some of the former glory. There has been some great success, but I know it's ultimately just a dream; we'll never be back to the good old days, and no matter how great GuildWiki is, we can't bring back what is lost. Some days the temptation is very strong indeed, to move on and follow all those friends I have lost through the many exodii. I miss Skuld, Karlos, Tanaric, Fyren, Biro, Auron, and many more...but it is even too late for that now, since many of them have even moved on and left GWW/GW2W/PvX. I really do feel utterly alone sometimes. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

userpage
If you really plan to be more active for the time being, I can only warn that that's bound to get you in trouble with people who don't know you at all, unless they can catch the humour/irony. :\ (T/C) 07:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, that's quite all right. As I pointed out to Felix, I don't much care what people think of me (besides, I have an identical user page on GWW, and if ever there was a place I was gonna catch some flak for a user page like this, it's there).  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  07:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

hurrah
just stopping by to say after not having logged here for ages -- InfestedHydralisk  20:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I Remember YOU!
Back in the day, you posted on the first and only build I submitted to the wiki and made me feel like a jackass. Anywho, it's cool to see practically the first person who ever said a word to me again. &mdash; Powersurge360 Violencia  03:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Yeah, back when the Build Section existed, if you posted a build, odds are I was the first person (or among the first few people) to comment on it -- good times.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  03:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Por gui an yer disleik fo tye-poes. &mdash; Powersurge360 Violencia  03:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I also had the same situation as powersurge. My dagger ele with no elite was pretty epic. Lord of all tyria 11:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

HAI
HAI! ♥ Mis fate ♥ 03:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Misfate. [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  03:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Red links on weird subpages
Wantedpages much? -- Dr R. Phalange 14:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh. Will fix later.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  14:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Please flame Felix elsewhere
... not on Entropy's final talkpage. Please consider removing your comment and posting it to Felix's talkpage. Oh and Never ... have I been moved to outright NPA should be "PA" there. ;) --mendel 15:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ugh. I know.  I went through like a dozen versions of that comment because I couldn't decide whether it was worth it.  In the end, I was just so disgusted that I couldn't quite help myself.  I do agree, however, that Entropy doesn't deserve to have her final talk page littered with NPA violations and will move my comment forthwith.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  15:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  15:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thank you. --mendel 15:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  15:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm mildly amused at the "I've never been moved to outright NPA" comment, due to the fact that Felix managed to provoke similar reactions from myself and rellik about a month ago... [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 18:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

socking
Although I admire your admitting to the situation instead of pulling a Stabber, I an nonetheless disappointed in you. What reason do you have for socking, anyway? (T/C) 03:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I enjoy answering questions not directed to me. Mostly so he could be blunt(er) without being himself, iirc. :] [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 04:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A sockpuppet can be harmless - useful at times. Some things cannot be said because of some personal or background emotion/likes/dislikes. An "old hand" coming back to comment on what could be described as controversial discussions would have those effects when commenting. Sometimes it requires a new pseudonym to just start over, without stigmas or thoughts about the past. While I can't speak for Defiant (and no, I'm not him either...), I can understand (but probably not articulate) his reasons. Even you said that sockpuppets can be harmless, Entropy, and it certainly was in this case. -- Dr R. Phalange 10:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Maui and Phalange are more or less correct. The persona I've cultivated on this account, which spans three wikis, is rather unsuited to just having a bit of fun on User talk pages, etc.  I made a sockpuppet because I wanted a bit more attitudinal latitude.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  13:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "A bit of fun" and "attitudinal latitude", eh? I would expect more from an old hand I once respected for his integrity, and an administrator (albeit on other wikis) on top of that. I don't care about sockpuppets until they cause trouble/drama - which you have, rightly or wrongly. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * “A bit of fun” and “attitudinal latitude”, eh? I would expect more from an old hand I once respected for his integrity, and an administrator (albeit on other wikis) on top of that.
 * In some ways, I think, that sums up why I created Banjthulu. "Defiant Elements" is largely dead on this Wiki and I wanted a fresh start.  I came back (both as Defiant Elements and Banjthulu) because I still feel somehow connected to this community -- even if the community has largely changed since my day.  “Defiant Elements” is merely a persona, one which I felt was not wholly appropriate for the role I wished to play, even if that role is merely chatting with User:Maui.  To be honest, it felt nice simply being able to chat with other users without any pretense arising from my status as an “old hand.”
 * In various discussions on Banjthulu’s talk page and elsewhere, a distinction was drawn between a sockpuppet account and a new account for a returning user. By strict definition, there’s really no difference between the two as near as I can tell.  Perhaps the distinction lies in the fact that the primary account of the “returning user” continues to appear inactive, whereas I had recently stated that my primary account was active.  Either way, I firmly intended that Banjthulu would be my new primary persona on GuildWiki, if that makes any sense.  Yes, I did edit pages as Defiant Elements after I created Banjthulu, but I tried to do so only when I felt that it the sentiment I wished to express was only in keeping with my Defiant Elements persona.
 * Looking at the various Wikipedia definitions for a sock puppet, I cannot help but feel that Banjthulu doesn’t quite fit the bill. Yes, it was a deception in so far as I made Banjthulu appear to be a new user when, in fact, he was not -- although, I didn’t really go to great lengths to do that either -- but, in my own mind at least, I didn’t feel that it was a deception because, in effect, Banjthulu was a new user.  He was a “new me,” intended to be wholly separate, one without regard for the other.
 * I cannot help but see the irony in that, had I not made it quite so clear that Banjthulu was the account of an “old hand” -- distinction between returning user and sockpuppet not withstanding -- there would have been no drama. Deception was the more prudent course in retrospect (well… not creating the sockpuppet in the first place would have been even more prudent, but…).
 * Regarding any trouble that may have been caused by Banjthulu’s edits. First off, persona distinctions aside, I stand by my arguments in favor of Felix’s banning as being non-biased and will continue to do so.  To be honest, while I may have edited as Banjthulu with a somewhat different attitude, the content and personality that serve as the underpinnings for my comments were really no different than when I edited as Defiant Elements -- which explains why a number of users who know me well were able to immediately discern that Banjthulu was my sockpuppet.  If I caused some other trouble of which I’m not aware at the moment, please link me to the appropriate edit(s).
 * As far as my integrity goes, I will admit that that comment stings because I have nothing but respect for you. On the other hand, I personally tend to be believe (setting aside for a moment the question of whether I am merely rationalizing my own misdeed) that the intent outweighs the result.  The spirit of the anti-sockpuppet “policy” lies in the potential for the abuse of sockpuppets, it is not, as far as I’m aware, an attempt to prevent users who wish to edit with some level of anonymity -- yes, I could have edited as an anon, but it’s generally harder to establish solid community ties as an admin, examples to the contrary notwithstanding.  “Defiant Elements” has no formal responsibilities on GuildWiki; however, there is a certain gravitas attached to the name itself; I desired the freedom to edit without the burden of that name.
 * Anywho, I’ve become much too personally involved as far as Felix is concerned. I’d like to think (if nothing else) that I would have responded in the same fashion to anyone who had made a similar comment, but I can’t say that with any certainty -- at least not without lying to myself.  Yes, I thought that Felix was something of a prick well before he made that comment, but... that comment truly did disgust me.  On the other hand, I fear that part of my disgust lies in the fact that I was blinded to the possibility that Felix might be complementing you in some fashion rather than insulting you.  I haven’t yet decided whether that bias is the result of my own interactions with him, the interactions I’ve seen between the two of you, or some combination, but there was undoubtedly some element of bias I suppose.  I doubt I’ll ever be ascertain with anything approaching certainty the true motive behind my comment, but I’ve been doing my best to try.   Regardless, it’s a moot point because any future interaction I might have with Felix is undoubtedly tainted at this point (which is why I have every intention of never speaking with him again).
 * Unfortunately, this fiasco has undoubtedly tainted any further contribution I make to this Wiki, so, with the possible exception of my entry to Ereanor’s contest and perhaps a talk page here or there *cough* User talk:Maui*cough*, I think it’s best if I once again withdraw myself from this wiki (although on far worse terms this time around I fear).
 * Unfortunately, I’m tired and I’m having more and more trouble putting together coherent thoughts, so I’m afraid that’s gonna have to be it for me for now. And again, I do realize that I’m biased toward myself, but I’m doing my best to analyze my own actions as thoroughly as possible.
 * P.S. Please excuse any syntactical mistakes and general incoherence, I'm tired and I wrote this rather hastily. [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  21:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Long text is looooooooooong. Getting back to the point: There have been things like this before, and they clear up pretty quickly. Don't leave just because of one little mistake. You're only human, and everyone screws up sometimes. Any taint on yourself will clear up in a couple days, if anyone blames you at all.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea  [Talk]  22:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read my comments on the admin notice board regarding this: [ linky!]&mdash;♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 22:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's just more long text. In any case this kind of thing has happened hand been shrugged off before *cough*  so Defiant Elements shouldn't feel obligated to take a permanent vacation as he's suggesting.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]Entrea   [Talk]  23:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I said indefinite, not permanent. Besides, my wikiholism will probably prevent me from withdrawing entirely (i.e. I'll probably still check in on a pretty frequent basis if nothing else).  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  12:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I do not like the idea of being able to create a new account for every aspect of one's person. This is my "helpful" account where I edit the mainspace; this is my "admin" account where I hand out bans; this is my "troll" account where I dispel my grudges; this is my "WikiDragon" account where I shake up the foundations...etc. It becomes difficult to assume good faith when socking arises, for a number of reasons...Now, if no one ever finds out, that's one thing. But when suspicions arise and accusations are leveled, that is when things turn ugly. How can you trust someone who would willingly deceive by concealing their identity? What is their motive? Does it benefit the wiki (intent) to have a split persona like this? Prior contributions are a HUGE aspect of evaluating someone's character...kind of like how people (still?) distrusted User:Warwick because there were some less savory edits in the past, but they were supposedly from a different perosn. It's like that with a sockpuppet, only the distinction is more clear between the contributions - the sock's are new and unlinked to the old persona's. So, you have all of DE's old edits, which convey a sense of experience, intelligence, respectability, what have you. Building anything on top of that assumes some prior foundations, as you say - that is why you grab a clean slate with Banthjulu, because to make such remarks and edits as that under DE would be...markedly strange. The problem is that as soon as people suspected it was a sock, Banthjulu's credibility became zero, and DE's reputation was injured...

I can understand the value of a sock if you want to, for example, experience what it is like for a "new" user here. This allows an admin to identify and relate to some problems that they experience but that normally a new user can't do anything about. This is a harmless way to use a sockpuppet. The problem really was that as soon as Banthjulu requested a banning on Felix...well, that was wrong for a number of reasons. Problems started to arise when Banthjulu got involved in trying to ban Felix. "I desired the freedom to edit without the burden of that name." That is fine - but not when you start treading deep water like ban discussions. If Banthjulu never did anything but chat with Maui, even if people thought it was a sock - who cares? Harmless...

I still stand by my assertation that Felix is undeserving of a ban at the moment. The only thing you might consider as a reason is "general asshattery", but that's really pushing it, even for a coverall reason. Besides, if it really was warranted, I am sure Auron or some other admin would have taken care of it already...

I am glad that you realize further antagonism between you and Felix will be unproductive, although I do not wish you to extrapolate a general desire to leave from that. Other than that issue, and some minor copyright quibbles, you've done nothing wrong while being back. (T/C) 23:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I requested the blocking of User:Felix Omni. Banjthulu simply put his, very logical, reasoning as to why he should be blocked -- something that anyone should be able to do. As far as I can see, Banjthulu simply discussed things. Perhaps they were a little more blunt than DE's normal posts would be, but nevertheless his discussion was somewhat constructive. -- Dr R. Phalange 00:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe we are discussing two different bans here, or else I am very confused...? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean the User talk:Felix Omni; I'm not aware of another situation where "Banthjulu requested a banning on Felix" or where Banjthulu was involved in anything relating to a block of Felix Omni. -- Dr R. Phalange 00:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh...on reading the talk page, which was given as evidence, I was under the impression that Banthjulu had added the tag. Checking the history, I see that you are right. However, I don't think that changes things much...It seems like semantics. I appreciate your clarifying the matter, but I think my point remains the same. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And so does mine; anyone, whether using an alternate account or not, can and will put their opinion for a block forward, especially in a situation such as that. Had it been a discussion of policy or something in the GuildWiki namespace, it would probably be a good assumption that DE would respond with a logical, clearly thought argument -- as he did on Felix's talk page. Only the circumstances are different -- one was on a user talk page, one would be in the GuildWiki talk page. If Defiant wished to use an alternate account to discuss something in a user talk page, so be it -- as he said, using Banjthulu gave him a wider door into user talk pages; something that seems to be the crux of GuildWiki nowadays. In such a case (i.e. to discuss things solely in the user talk namespace), an "old hand" who is used to the older contribution areas (and more importantly, known for using them) would find said alternate account more appropriate. -- Dr R. Phalange 00:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See, the thing is that even if DE had never created Banthjulu in the first place, and then made all the same contribs - I would still be upset about it, since everyone hates drama etc. and I feel that while DE originally did start out with a logical, clearly thought argument...no problems with that...it devolved from there into a personal feud. The use of Banthjulu to do such things makes it somewhat worse, though, because even though DE had good intentions, he thusly created a "malicious sock" whose purpose was to take down Felix...and socks tend to intensify drama once people suspect them, and DE purposely made that easy, so Banthjulu was suspected by Felix as a sock. DE knows that, I think, and so I'm kind of upset that he did it anyway...it just seems he didn't think through fully what would be the consequences. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I feel strongly compelled to respond in a meaningful fashion because I can't help feeling as if you're misrepresenting me to some degree or another. However, I feel even more strongly that nothing (or at least nothing good) can come of prolonging this discussion, so I'm going to refrain from doing so.  On a related note, I think this entire situation can be compared to .  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  12:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 15:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So you're saying I am a ruthless Wiki dictator who rules with an iron fist? All the more reason for me to quit, then, and free the proles. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm failing to see what's wrong with being a ruthless wiki dictator that rules with an iron fist. Armond 21:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

block
I've blocked you for a day for the personal attack on Felix. Please take the time out of your vacation to sit in a corner and think about your actions :p You knew it was coming, though. - Auron 09:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Test. *Defiant Elements*  +talk  16:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused... I appear to be blocked and yet I seem to be able to edit :/, I demand this situation be remedied (I fully intend to treat this ban as an intervention for wikiholism). *Defiant Elements*  +talk  16:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That is odd. I'll try unbanning/rebanning you to see what happens.  If I don't see another edit from you, I'll assume it worked. XD  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah... I asked Auron about it, apparently it's a Wikia thing so you can contest the ban -- I can only edit my talk page -- or whatever (although it seems like it just lets you flame people from the safety of your talk page...). Anywho... 3 days = remainder of a 1 day ban?   [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  16:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Bah, I typed "17 hours" in the "Other time" box, but didn't realize I had to select "other" in the drop-down list. I don't have much experience with the block form yet.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 16:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

the coveted first spot.
I can die happy now: I am the first person you added on Feebbook. ;D 03:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Correction: you are the first person who accepted my invitation on Facebook ;). None of my real friends, with a coupla exceptions, use Facebook :P. [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]] *Defiant Elements*   +talk  20:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They're clever. -- R [[Image:RPhalange star.png|18px]] Phalange  20:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite. I made a Facebook about three years ago that I had for maybe two weeks before I decided Facebook had no value whatsoever.  At the moment I'm just planning to use this account for Scrabble matches, Chess matches, posting Old English double entendres on Maui's page, etc.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  21:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * All of my real friends use Facebook, which is easy to say as I have, like, five. ;] Maybe it's the age difference.  (Though most of said friends are older than you are...) [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 22:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "...I've got people begging for my top 8 spaces." --Nova 02:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that's myspace, but you're definitely too white and nerdy :P --Shadowcrest  02:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Moved comments
In response to your objection to my moving of your comment from between two existing comments and placing at the bottom of the page here, please note that it is generally accepted that comments go at the bottom of a page, to quote the edit screen itself: "Please place new topics at the bottom of the page if you want other people to notice them. Experienced users generally assume comments at the top of the page to be oldest, and often ignore them." If you want to respond to a comment that is higher up the page it is generally accepted practice to use quotation marks or otherwise just respond to it anyway, perhaps with @(username) on the front of your comment, as most people will know what your talking about.-- - (Talk /Contribs</B> ) 18:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm aware. However, my comment responded to a specific comment you'd made, moving it down (and changing the indent) took it out of context.  With a talk page that small, I didn't think it mattered whether I put it in the middle or used @ or whatever.  Obviously, you noticed it, so it's a moot point.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  18:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Read.-- (Talk) (Contr.) 01:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay... it's nice you think that I guess... and your point is? [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  07:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

i found something :D
Sadly, there was no balloon Banjthulu, but this made me think of you anyway. Hearts! 08:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

so i herd facebook was bugged
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&mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 16:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

sorry <333
I sincerely apologize for ignoring you for, like, four hours on MSN. D: I was in an instance and getting my cute blue space goat butt kicked...  And I'm sure your game was much more interesting than talking to me anyhow. ;] However, I found an amazing link a few minutes ago and thought I would share it with you since you're the only other person I know who plays D&D still. ): Voila!  10:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What makes you think only D&D players find this funny? :-D Anyhow, how do you like the "something awful" site design? They have the 300x250 in the upper right, but integrated into the nav bar. Should GuildWiki put the nav bar on the right as well? --◄mendel► 12:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I never said that only D&D players would find it funny, just that I don't know any other active players. In fact, the fact that I posted it here, instead of e-mailing or Facebooking him the link, would imply it's for the rest of you to read, too.  :P  And the layout is fine.  Their navbar is actually along the top.  The links along the right side are to featured threads and articles. [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 15:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Mmmm-mmm. If we get a few drama-free days, maybe I can make a Monaco skin that looks similar. Though it probably won't let us take the ad out of articlespace. :-( --◄mendel► 16:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, I wasn't paying any attention anyway: I was laughing too hard as a result of my game to pay attention to anything else :D. Ironically, they're fighting a semi-modified Young Red Dragon (as well as some trolls).  We spent like... 4 hours in that fight and they've yet to kill anything :/... 4e sucks... Then again, we're all still learning the ropes, so hopefully things will speed up.  That link was pretty amusing.  Some parts were kinda dumb, but it's definitely amusing (not to mention true ;/).  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  21:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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hi lurker
Header. (T/C) 04:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * DE for sysop &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 12:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. Hi to you too.  Yea, I still check in here on occasion -- in fact, I probably spend more time here than on PvX nowadays -- which usually means takin' a look at my watchlist and then leaving.  To be perfectly honest, giving up wiki-lurking altogether has proven a great deal more difficult than I might have anticipated.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  05:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a lot like voyeurism :) But don't worry, ReaLife(TM) always wins eventually. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 07:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How very reassuring ;). [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  20:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)