User talk:Skuld14148

 Wednesday 28 August  UTC /Archive 1, 2, 3

Grammar
Why are you moving articles with correct titles to one with lower case words after the first word? I thought we already resolved this issue in Talk:W/R Survival Tank. Its not proper grammar to change to the first letter to lower case. Others agreed and the facts are there if you reread it.

I don't mean to come down on you, but I'd like to see proper grammar in articles, titles, and anything else. If the grammar is sloppy or incorrect, who will believe the information is not up to the same standard, e.g. incorrect?

Don't go into college for an English degree. :P j/k --Gares Redstorm 07:52, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Oh, sorry didn't know Skuld  07:55, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * No problem. Like I said, I'm not trying to get on you, I'm just a perfectionist. --Gares Redstorm 07:59, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * You won't like what I did to all the collector weapons, armour quick references etc a few weeks ago >< Skuld  08:00, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Don't listen to him Skuld, you're the one who know how to write English, being English no? :) Actually I'm sure I've got something about this on my User Page, I wonder if it's still correct... --Xasxas256 08:05, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * anyone has better english than a lazy pre-gcse student :p Skuld  08:08, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Xasxas, you have a grammar mistake in your writing, its who knows. Hehe.
 * Skuld, you are a sneaky one. I can't search for them at this moment. I'm sure if they haven't been changed yet, they can wait another day or two.
 * If you don't want to read the Talk:W/R Survival Tank, here is my findings researching the subject...
 * According to | this site, which is linked from Use lower case, the last bulleted item states, "The first word and all the words in titles of books, articles, works of art, etc. excluding short prepositions, conjunctions, and articles. At looking at | the defintion of article, the heading of an article such as "Survival Tank" should have both words capitalized. Any affixes such as 'a', 'of', 'the', etc..not used at the beginning of the article should not be capitalized.
 * Its not a major problem, just something that people should be made aware of. --Gares Redstorm 08:15, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Mesmer and friends Skuld  08:19, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * We don't consider articles here to be articles for the sake of capitalization. See a zillion articles that aren't caps and prior crusades to make them that way.  I don't know what was decided about builds, but "Survival Tank" is a name for the build, so I assume that is why it's capitalized.  The skill locations pages and such should be lowercased.  --68.142.14.9 08:21, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Agreement! Use lower case explicitly warns against overzealous capitalization in article names. 149.9.0.25 08:27, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * OK fair enough I'm in a fun mood, I'll play along, who knows is a spelling mistake not a grammar mistake in my book. "I'm sure if they haven't been changed yet, they can wait another day or two. The comma is unnecessary in that sentence. Its needs an apostrophe and etc.. needs only one full stop. Isn't this fun Skuld, great practice for your GCSE :P Also *cough* I'm pretty sure "english" has a capital "E"...*cough* More seriously don't we just capitalise proper nouns? I remember a big discussion and vote on this somewhere, I might have to look at the old votes. --Xasxas256 08:31, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Here we go: Old_votes --Xasxas256 08:34, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * So you want to go against the rules of grammar for the sake that some people never actually knew the correct rules? "Survival Tank" is the name of an article, be it an Armor Quick Reference or what have you, they are all article names and thus, according to the rules of grammar, should be capitalized.
 * For those new to the Wiki that have voiced their opinion, welcome. And please read carefully, Use_lower_case and Use_lower_case. And yes, I know the example under "Summary" is lower case, except the title, but that again is wrong. Unless there is a person with an English degree or someone can prove my findings flawed, then I say it stands. Though it doesn't matter, there will always be people on here that will do what they want, we they want. You can't teach someone that doesn't want to learn.
 * Xasxas, I never said I was perfect in my grammar and/or spelling, or the so-called difference between the two terms. I did my research on capitalization and found what Wiki is doing to be wrong. Oh, and "captialise proper nouns", its a z, not a s. :P This is fun. --Gares Redstorm 08:47, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I'd also warn you of being careful about saying who is wrong based on wiki age. With 100% certainty, articles are supposed to be lowercased except for when the game uppercases them or as a phrase they'd normally be uppercased (in other words article titles are not in title case).  Also, S versus Z is British versush American English.  --68.142.14.9 08:54, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * It's capitalise you yank! :p Skuld  08:54, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
 * I began to write a response but I took too long, so I'll just say that I wrote capitalise because I'm an Aussie and I know Skuld is English so he also uses Commonwealth English, hence capitalise. Armor Quick Reference according to my interpretation is not a proper noun it shouldn't be capitalised. --Xasxas256 09:01, 24 May 2006 (CDT)

Despite the aforementioned article, the proper format for the title of any article is "This is an Article for Trying to Understand How Capitalization Works." "Over zealous" capitalization is something like: "This Is An Article For Letting Everyone Know That I Don't Know How To Properly Format An Article." Being a writer (and majoring in writing/screenwriting), I know this to be correct. I'm also native english, whatever that means. Now for contents inside an article, that's a different story. If you're referring to a warrior as just a thing (e.g. Then there was a warrior that looks suspiciously evil), then by all means, don't capitalize it. But if you're referring to the class, as it usually the case here in GuildWiki, then capitalize it (e.g. He was a Warrior, armed with a sword and shield)!Jack 09:05, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * First, to 68.142, please do not threaten another user. You will not get far anywhere in life or make very many friends doing this. I made no assumption that those new to the Wiki were not as valuable as those that have been here since the beginning.
 * And after reading Old_votes, it states "I'd rather have a simple, 100% clear rule, even if it's not 100% according to proper English grammar sometimes." Its not 100% according to proper English grammar, but a vote was made and it should stand as such.
 * As to Amercian English standards vs. British English standards, yes that's the same as the difference between apples and oranges. Saying "armor" and "armour" is the same thing, as is "capitalize" and "capitalise". As Xasxas said, "fair enough I'm in a fun mood", as am I.
 * Shoot, I even date an English woman, so I have heard it all, "yanks", "bullocks", "daft", etc, etc. So our English difference is not a problem for me and she would kill me if it was :P --Gares Redstorm 09:23, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I'd like to take that to a revote. It's not a point of apple vs. oranges between different kinds of english. But it's fine. Just remember that proper nouns still need to be capitalized, title of an article or not.Jack [[Image:Ranger-icon-small.png]] 09:36, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * You're taking this way to seriously, the vote has been taken, it's now GuildWiki policy. This was just a bit of fun on Skuld's page, if you seriously want a revote then you need to take that discussion elsewhere, presumably GuildWiki talk:Use lower case which is where the vote was first taken. However I think that the policy has worked well and I don't see any reason to take a revote, I'd only want a revote if the current policy wasn't working. It may be worth reading that talk page anyway so you can see some more of the reasoning behind that decision. It's a shame that the fun is now being taken out of this but hey that's life, you're entitled to dispute our official policy if you so wish but don't do it here, just do it where it'll be seen by all on the talk section of relevent policy page. --Xasxas256 09:53, 24 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I should be a little more careful of how I choose my words. I didn't mean to challenge the whole system. I'm fine with the way things are :) - Jack  10:02, 24 May 2006 (CDT)

This will not be voted on. Software limitations and ease of use override traditional English article capitalization. The rules as written on use lower case stand. It was discussed a year ago and decided that this is the best practice; further, it was discussed again recently and the decision was upheld.

Time is short, I don't really have access to a computer, but for the love of all that is holy, don't go uppercasing article titles! Do some research first and figure out why things are the way they are before seeking to change them. I will case crusade everything that does not comply when I get a stable connection again.

&mdash;Tanaric 21:52, 24 May 2006 (CDT)