GuildWiki:User questions

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Category: Collector Items
Would anyone be willing to compile a list of items with links to the collectors who exchange them? It is quite hard to do this the other way around (browsing all collectors and looking at their item lists.)
 * There is already available Category:Collectable Drops. Look for the item, and the article it links to should show the collectors (if any) that will exchange it. --161.88.255.140 04:28, 25 February 2006 (CST)
 * I think anon wants the collector items, not the collectable drops. IOW, link "Ascalon Bow (Horn Bow)" to the collectors that provide it, or some such. I agree that this will be a nice feature, but it's yet another list to maintain. (Not volunteering for it.) 04:31, 25 February 2006 (CST)
 * See Collector Rewards as linked off of the Collectors page. --Rainith 08:11, 25 February 2006 (CST)

Blah, yeah, the term "Collector Items" is ambiguous... -PanSola 04:04, 26 February 2006 (CST)

That´s what I was looking for at least. Somehow the term feels unintuitive though it is definitely correct. EDIT: Might be nice if they had a link to the collector rather than just saying what game area so you can find out more details before the long walk.

Search broken
The search is linking to guildwiki.org which seems to be down, the path should be set at gamewikis.org before we get loads of complaints :p 23:24, 21 February 2006 (CST)

Site Links
Thank you for the good work you guys are doing here. I want to put a link to this Wiki page, and wondering if I can just rip off that banner on the left top corner of the screen, cut it half, change the bg color to white? Just kidding. But I want a banner to put on my website, is it allowed to use that banner?
 * I don't see why not,but you'd better check with Nunix, post here User talk: Nunix :) 08:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Using it is completely fine. &mdash;Tanaric 14:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Icy Dragon Sword
What about the new Icy Dragon Sword that's been dropping in Mineral Springs Cave?. I'm just a noob to Guildwiki and don't know how appropriate it would be for me to enter my findings. After 12 farming trips I finally got one. It looks like a regular Dragon Sword but with a dark hilt and a light bluish-white flame. They all drop at max dmg with a 15%>50 mod. Mine took a +29 pommel of fortitude giving me a decent sword. Right now the price fluctuates from about 50k to more than 100k to buy one. Rumors are rampant that this item is a Chrismas drop and will disappear after the 28th (today). I have found no substantiation to any of the rumors as yet. Without substantiation it would seem that this is a permanent, although rare, drop and that the current high price is unreasonable and will eventually fall to a lower, stable rate when there is a steady, albeit slow, incoming supply. Does any one else have any info? I would be happy to share screenshots and more info but am reticent to intrude being a new member and unsure of conventions on this site. Daremo 09:43, 28 Dec 2005 PST
 * Try the Icy Dragon Sword article. Please keep in mind though that we don't post in-game trading prices.  --Rainith 12:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Search problems
Am I the only person having problems with the Search box? Sometimes it appears on pages, other times it doesn't. Even if it does appear, searching anything takes me to googles engine.--The King Tarosian 18:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You aren't the only one. I think Gravewit might be playing with the search function behind the scenes.  Just a guess on my part though.  --Rainith 18:20, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, he is. Turns out one of our server load problems was that MediaWiki's default search function is apparently some kind of warcrime in its bad-ness. He's still hacking up a proper solution, so for the moment, we've got google, and sometimes the search box hides (I don't quite understand that part, it may be voodoo). --Nunix 13:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

PvP articles
You considered taking strategy/PVP-build articles anywhere? Maybe off the main page? - Fennec 08:20, 25 Aug 2005 (EST)
 * Maybe we can have a category called User Submitted Builds or something like that? --Thundergrace 13:29, 14 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * I really dislike discussing strategy here so we don't get articles like that, don't get into arguments about builds, and don't get utterly subjective. --Fyren 18:15, 14 Sep 2005 (EST)

Image preview
Does anyone know why some pictures work in the preview but not when the page is saved? For example, Tanzit Razorstone's page doesn't display the picture I uploaded, but if you click edit, then preview, the picture displays correctly. --Caspian 12:34, 13 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * I would guess it's a browser issue, since that image displays for me (and Morgriff's also does), but the image on Artemis the Ranger doesn't (for me). Anyone else have any ideas?  --Fyren 02:48, 14 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * I think it is a browser issue, because all 3 of those above mentioned images display for me. It seems if you save the page before uploading the image, the issue will sometimes occur. The images should display for you if the articles are changed. --Thundergrace 07:41, 14 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * For Artemis, I was neither the author nor the image uploader. I mentioned on the talk page for the article that the HTML is fine and references the a thumbnail that exists.  --Fyren 08:02, 14 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Yes, I think it's an issue with the cache in Firefox. I flushed mine and the images worked fine.  Thanks.  Caspian.

Image links
Anybody found a way to create image links in Wiki, i.e. when you click an image you're not sent to the image page, but to some other (specified) page? --Tetris L 16:44, 14 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Well... I read the documentation and it seems all you can do is make the image page a redirect. It's a pretty poor solution, but it seems to be the only one.  The problem is that you get the usual "redirected from" message at the top AND you get the image after it (full sized).  See User:Fyren/Test for an example.  The image redirects to User:Fyren.  --Fyren 18:15, 14 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * There is, though personally I favor the redirect method over this. --Rezyk 19:29, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like in 1.5 the redirect method is even worse, since it puts the whole image page in after the redirect instead of just the full-sized image. --Fyren 13:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Note: Discussion about Skill Trainer changes moved to Talk:Trainer locations. --Tetris L 23:32, 19 Sep 2005 (EST)

posting images
I have a few images of elite skill cap locations i would like to put on the site. But i do not know how. Plesae help.

GuildWiki forum
By the way, would it be possible to make a companion forum for this site to discuss things? I am so incredibly lost when I look around to try to see where I go to discuss something. There are these Talk pages, but they seem to be hidden. Like the Skills Trainer. There's that table, the regular list, each list, they're being reworked with modules, etc. Each and every page there has a discussion list plus there appear to be some main discussion pages too. It would be great if all of the many many different chats going on at once could be put into a normal forum where they're easy to see, read and respond to. -- Banaticus
 * Like was said on http://guildwiki.org/guildwars/index.php/GuildWiki:Community_Portal "I've made the change, but since this topic relates to the Main Page directly it should be discussed on Talk:Main Page :)" -- the Recent Changes page doesn't do anywhere near as good of a job as a forum would do in discussing issues.

French translation
Hi there. Would you be ok or interested by a franch translation of this wiki? I'm sure it would be an huge work but anyway, maybe me and my mates would be intersted in doing this ? --Prof. Desty Nova 00:21, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Je parle francais un peu -- comme une vache espagnol. ;) -- Banaticus
 * Like the link at the bottom of articles says, the content here is covered under a Creative Commons "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike" license (| more info here). Anyone is free to use this content if you acknowledge it came from GuildWiki, is not used for commercial purposes, and you also put your content that uses ours under the same license.  --Fyren 06:40, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Woot, correct french sentence though! ^^ Alright, I'll take care to respect these rules if I do so. Thanks --Prof. Desty Nova 20:32, 24 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * I can't wait to see "Whuup Buumbuul" in French... "Le Whuup De Buum comme Buul" :D Je parle francais comme Alana Pekpek!! :) --Karlos 20:48, 24 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Hi guys, i got an idea about something i find to be missing in this wiki:
 * 1 -> There should be a section related to pvp/pve popular character builds
 * 2 -> There should be a section related to Weapons/offhands crafting locations and such
 * 3 -> There should be a section related to crafting materials (like deldrimor steel, etc..). --Fbatista 21:18, 23 Sep 2005 (GMT)


 * 3 -> Here: Crafting material
 * 2 -> Weapon crafting? Maybe try this: Collectors
 * 1 -> Try this: Category:Build stubs =) --Xeeron 07:06, 24 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * 2 -> about this one i was refering to things like a list of what the weapon crafters in each town can craft (like the long sword with max damage and 15% damage if health above 50% that you can craft in droknar's forge)

Fissure armour
What's the difference between, http://guildwiki.org/guildwars/index.php/Category:Fissure_Armor which says, Category: Fissure Armor at the top and has links to each professions Fissure page, and this page, http://guildwiki.org/guildwars/index.php/Fissure_Armor which says, Category: Fissure Armor at the top of the page and doesn't have links to any Fissure Armor pictures? Perhaps the Fissure Armor page could redirect to Category: Fissure Armor?
 * If you check the top of the page for Fissure Armor you'll see that it already redirects to Category:Fissure Armor, the problem is that when you create redirects to categories, you loose the list of what is linked to that category. --Rainith 13:07, 25 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * It is because of that that we decided not to use categories as the main articles. I have moved the content back to Fissure Armor and kept the category as just a list. --Karlos 14:55, 25 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Any chance that we can get the list of the various fissure armors to display at the bottom of the Fissure Armor page? That way, people who search directly for "Fissure Armor" and go straight to the "Fissure Armor" page will be able to easily click a link to see what the various fissure armors look like.  As it stands now, if you actually want to see what the armors look like, you must navigate away from the Fissure Armor page to the Armor page where you can search around for the links on that long page and see what the fissure armors actually look like.  It was a 3-minute attempt to find the actual picture of the elementalist fissure armor that led me to find the Fissure Armor and Category: Fissure Armor pages in the first place. -- Banaticus
 * Seems pretty simple to me: Fissure Armor -> Category:Fissure Armor (link is on Fissure Armor page) -> Fissure Elementalist Armor or Fissure Ranger Armor or Fissure Monk Armor, etc... why should that take anyone 3 minutes?  --Rainith 17:57, 25 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * In the Fissure Armor article it says: For a list of all types of Fissure Armor, see: Category:Fissure Armor. --Karlos 18:30, 25 Sep 2005 (EST)

Template list
A page listing all templates would be deeply appreciated, since I spend tons of time just searching for them whenever I do something for the first time. --Xeeron 08:15, 29 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Here.--Fyren 09:43, 29 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Thanks a ton. Is there a wiki link as well, or can you only reach that with a normal link? --Xeeron 09:56, 29 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * I believe it is Special:Allpages then choose the namespace "Template" and hit "Go". --Karlos 11:07, 29 Sep 2005 (EST)

Firefox plugin
Hi, i coded a plugin for searching the GW Wiki with the built in search engine in Firefox (the little box in the upper right of Firefox). It doesn't fulfil the criteria for a public release till yet and i can't find my mistake. It shows the Search-findings, instead of the Go-findings from guildwiki.org. Nevertheless, would you be interested in using it and hows the policy for hosting such a plugin? Maybe someone else with more html experience can solve the Go-issue.
 * I just use a keyword (gw) with target "http://www.guildwiki.org/guildwars/index.php/Special:Search?search=%s&go=Go" . --Fyren 10:16, 7 Oct 2005 (EST)

Command line
I think it would be very useful to add a page where the command line parameters are explained (to display fps etc.)--Hawk-BHC 23:51, 2 November 2005 (EST)
 * If you know any of 'em, feel free to put them in! --JoDiamonds 02:18, 3 November 2005 (EST)

Reset new messages alert
How to reset "You have new messages"? Before the 1.5 upgrade the notification disappeared once I read my talk page. Since the 1.5 upgrade the notification stays, after I've read the message and even after I have replied. Bug or feature? What gives? --Tetris L 20:22, 6 November 2005 (EST)
 * It still works that way for me (i.e. when I view my talk page, new messages is gone). --Karlos 20:34, 6 November 2005 (EST)
 * It may have to do with the fact that I got my talk page on my watchlist. I "unwatched" it now, and the message is gone. --Tetris L 20:57, 6 November 2005 (EST)

403 errors
When trying to access Arcane_Echo I get an errorr 403 (Forbidden). Is it just me or is there something wrong with this article? --Si Tacuisses 04:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Update: Echo also seems to be affected by this error, maybe anything containing the word echo is blocked for some reason possibly in the webservers config or mediawiki config? --Si Tacuisses 04:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Guild pages
I'm curious. Does Guildwiki have a section for, um, guilds? I mean, the game is all about guilds, so why not have a guild listing and pages for individual guilds? This would greatly increase the worth of this wiki in my opinion. --AeSiR oDiN 12:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No, no guild pages. --Fyren 13:17, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not? I've wanted this for a long time. &mdash;Tanaric 03:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Same reason we don't want market values for unique items I'd imagine, your guild just got thier butts kicked in a GvG battle, so you create a page for the guild that beat you here and fill it full of bad info. That and the fact that we don't want thousands of pages on guilds that may or may not be active/important in any way.  Users are always free to put their guild's info in their User page.  --Rainith 04:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If that's our advice, what's to stop me from making an account called "Sacred Dragon" (the name of my guild) and then using its user subspace to run a guild website?  Honestly, since the tech can be used to do it, why not allow it properly? &mdash;Tanaric 04:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that we don't want guild pages on here. My reasons are more toward Recent Changes spam and somewhat [IMO] useless pages competing for bandwidth to the more useful, encyclopedic articles. &mdash; Lunarbunny 04:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Download GuildWiki dump
Is there anyway that I can download a snapshot of GuildWiki for offline use? I don't mind if its a bunch of static HTML pages or even MySQL DB files. Just something that allows me to view it offline.
 * BUMP - My guild would appreciate a response to this question - we don't want to continue to add to the problem by mirroring the site statically on a monthly basis and are willing to contribute for this feature more so than we already do - also willing to provide server logs for access to mirrored content...
 * Try posting a message on User:Nunixs talk page. Shandy 10:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there is green, you could make use of that if you're good with XML 10:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Misfloating IE rights bar
Umm...here's a picture of my problem. what can i do to move the banner allll the way to the bottom?also,the banner is covering up the lover section of the main page(the "helping out on this wiki" part)Can someone please help me?
 * That seems to be the similar to this bug. If you are using IE, my only suggestion would be to use a different web browser, as I have had neither problem with Firefox.  --Rainith 21:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I also am having that problem, the banner appears in the middle of the page on every page. It worked fine before Christmas, so I'm guessing a Microsoft update. It views fine with Firefox 1.5.

Taxi
I'm sure we had a page where we could hail an admin (as opposed to putting a comment on an admin's talk page). Anyone know where is it? I couldn't find it with a quick search. I've got a whole lot of tips/useful links on my talk page, I'd like to add the "admin attention required" page to it. Thanks --Xasxas256 05:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * None that I know of, but I'm not an expert. I try to be on at least once a day, so hitting my talk page is an easy way to get ahold of me.  If you're looking for another admin, my only suggestion would be to hit their talk pages.  --Rainith 11:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What not an expert!? I thought you admins were some sort of Gods amongst men :P Nah seriously can we have a page where we flag things that need an admin's attention? I'd start a vote for this but basically it comes down to the admins, would you guys check/use it? I think it'd be useful for us community members to have a page where we can bring things to an admin's attention and of course it'd be useful for you admin guys too, you don't have to find these things yourselves. I mean putting a note on a random admin's talk page is not a very efficient way of doing it. Thoughts people? --Xasxas256 03:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, no, no, you must be dyslexic, we're "dogs amongst men." :P  I'd stick that page in my watchlist, "GuildWiki:Admin attention" or something like that I guess.  --Rainith 23:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well ah could you make it Rainith? No point in me making it, you should put it wherever you think's best for you admins. Hell even if it's just you checking it then that's an better than not having it, but hopefully the other active admins will add it to their watchlist. If you create the page, I'll happily write a note on the GuildWiki admin's talk pages to tell them about it when I log in again tomorrow. Thanks for your help thus far Ranith, --Xasxas256 08:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Search Engine Update?
The internal wiki search engine is currently case sensitive. If I type "barbed trap", the search engine will not display the result for "Barbed Trap" skill. Can someone fix this please?

Unicode characters
Is it just me or are lots (if not all) unicode stuff messed up? -PanSola 22:54, 10 February 2006 (CST)

Standard format for builds now?
It seems like the skill bar thing has become the standard format for builds now. Is this the case? Can anyone link me to where this was discussed and decided? 130.58.235.187 02:27, 13 February 2006 (CST)
 * I don't think it ever was! all I can point you at is Template talk:Skill bar. Good question :p 02:49, 13 February 2006 (CST)

Culture referances section
I am planning to create a Culture referances section it would include things like Mark of Rodgort, Killroy Stoneskin,"For great justice" and other hidden referances. There is currently a little information on the shouts page i beleive, but we could move it to this new one.

My question is, would it make more sense to list the in game item (skill, NPC ect) as the heading, and then the source eg
 * =="For Great Justice"==

This is a referance to the a phrase in the introduction of the proorly translated arcade game Zero wing. It is most famous for the line "All your base are belong to us"

or would it be better the other way, organized by source? eg
 * ==Zero Wing==

A poorly translated arcade game, made famous by the phrase "All your base are belong to us", "For great justice" is a line from the introduction of the game and has been turned into a shout.

LoginError 02:28, 18 February 2006 (CST)


 * I suggest put the references in the actual articles, then if you want a way to see all of them, make a Category:Cultural references or something. Ogre-Slaying Knife and "For Great Justice!" already have their references writtein in their articles.  -PanSola 06:00, 19 February 2006 (CST)


 * To save you the hassle, someone already proposed this and most people were against it. It is highly unlikely that the user will "look" for the article "Cultural References" but it is way better to have the info in the article, and, as Pansola suggested, use categories for the curios user who is thinking "hmm, what other references are there?" --Karlos 08:06, 19 February 2006 (CST)

Wouldn´t a Complete Category List be Handy to Some?
I think it could be helpful for some of us to have a complete category list. For example, I´m almost certain there was a Collector Items category, but, I can´t find it through ordinary means, and when I try to manually find it I don´t. A full list would allow one to see whether or not a category is there and how it´s spelled/etc. It would make navigating certain types of subjects, such as item lists, easier.


 * Special:Categories. It's an unnavigable mess, though. I'm not aware of any feature that will show the categories in a tree form. 03:33, 25 February 2006 (CST)

Page editing and preview problem
A few pages gave me an error 'The document contains no data' when I tried to save changes or preview them. The last edits on these pages are all from the same IP adress. I checked other pages edited by the same IP, but they worked fine. I hope this can be fixed. --Gem 00:59, 8 March 2006 (CST)
 * Fissure Necromancer Armor
 * Necrotic Armor
 * Necrotic Armor (15k)
 * just tested fissure necro, i can edit it fine 03:17, 8 March 2006 (CST)
 * Ok, now they work. I tested this with multiple computers, and it was always the same files, so it wasn't just something computer related. I wonder what it was. --Gem 05:45, 8 March 2006 (CST)


 * I've gotten that error a few times on random pages, not just on those three. I just chalked it up to server problems, packet-loss, or some such.  69.124.143.230 05:48, 8 March 2006 (CST)  And now while trying to save THIS I get a MySQL error @_@

Spelling and dictionaries
Just now someone made an edit, correcting the word "finalise" to the word "finalize"; as a user of British spellings, and owning a copy of the OED (my pride and joy) I can assure you that "finalise" is not a misspelling, and is correct English, while "finalize" is correct American English - thus both are correct, within areas of the world. While I can't help but type "favour" I try very hard to say "favor" when referring to the attribute, as it is spelled that way in game, and in the description area of a skill for example it should reflect what is displayed in game, however within the body of a text I don't see it as particularly appropriate for someone to come along and change my spelling (or anyone else who uses British/Canadian spelling) for the sole purpose of having it adhere to their standards, neither will I go about changing references already written to conform to my taste in spelling (I'd have a lot of work ahead of me, as I can't stand seeing the word "color", it just looks so wrong). Given that both are correct, I would assume that as it regards only personal preference, we should leave a contribution in the language in which it was written, save that it alters spelling of actual in-game words (writing Divine Favour isn't appropriate in this sense, though it is personally how I write it elsewhere). --Epinephrine 00:11, 17 March 2006 (CST)


 * Sorry, not entirely sure how to format a responce on this page, given that I'm new to GuildWiki, but I wanted to apologize for any offense that I caused; I was not aware that "finalise" was a correct British spelling of the word when I changed it or else I would have left it alone. Mostly was just going through and fixing up a few things that I noticed, and that happened to be one of them. Again, my apologies, no offense or disparaging tone was intended. Rain Over Pebbles, 16 March 10:49 (Central)


 * None taken, but it made me realise (<---see, again with the British spellings) that there may or may not be a language policy, and that some decision may be needed. My own personal view is not to mess with accepted spellings, but obviously not everyone is familiar with variants of words, and though I'd choose the OED as a reference, others would use Merriam Webster or some such.  I wasn't offended, just curious as to whether a decision had ever been made and so on --Epinephrine 01:08, 17 March 2006 (CST)


 * OK, glad to hear it. For what it's worth, the suggestion you made in your first comment seems very reasonable. --- Rain over Pebbles 11:18, 16 March 2006 (Central)


 * Now we wait for the wikigods ;)--Epinephrine 01:20, 17 March 2006 (CST)

I've got used to spelling them wrong [;)] and missing "U"s out and stuff, just takes time. Still misspell all the time though ;( 13:35, 25 March 2006 (CST)

In general, the o/ou and the -ter/-tre issues I can figure out it's an American vs British difference. However, there would be no way I would have guessed "finalise" is British correct spelling had I not read stuff here first. Because the very fact that most people probably don't know many of the variants, I think the best policy might be "If you see someone change an American spelling to a British spelling or vice versa, don't do anything to it" (I doubt anyone would bother to intentionally change an American spelling to a British spelling or vice versa). In which case it has about the same effect as not having a policy. -SolaPan 13:42, 25 March 2006 (CST)
 * I missed this first time around. I probably would have changed "finalise" too as the online dictionary I use doesn't show it as an alternate to "finalize."  That said, my only request would be not to mix it in the same article, today I changed an edit someone made that had "armor" and "armour" in the same sentance.  --Rainith 13:44, 25 March 2006 (CST)
 * I actually wrote quite a long reply to this, I'm not sure what happened, it must not have posted correctly (it couldn't be user error of course :P ). Anyway, I always post in American spelling (unless I forget something, but the program I used to spell check my wiki posts is intentionally set to US English). Personally my feeling is that GuildWiki articles should really be written in US English simply because that's how it's written in the game, even if that's not how I'd spell things normally. Something like 'finalise/finalize' isn't such a problem but armour/armour is, if you search for armor, you should find it spelt like that, because it's like that in the game. Also I'm strongly against ever seeing this:  armour  (ie armour). If the odd finalise slips in that's I don't really mind but any in game term or anything that is wikified should always be in US English in my opinion.


 * P.S. As a side note, British Engish seems a silly term, in Britain; Irish, Scots, Gaelic etc. are widely spoke outside of England. Really it should be English English which sounds just as stupid really! If you say English you are refering to English English, you need to specify US English but not English English. "British English" is a term that makes no sense because the English spoken in the various countries of Britain varies greatly, it just sounds better than "English English" and is rarely used outside of the US, the rest of the world just says "English" and doesn't put 'z' everywhere!. So take that Yanks!! --Xasxas256 17:54, 25 March 2006 (CST)


 * I just did some more reading, apparently the world is basically divided up into US English and Commonwealth English (English English and British English doesn't get a look in here) and this suits me as I'm neither in the England or for that matter British but I am in the Commonwealth! I did some more reading on the Wikipedia, their guideline on National_varieties_of_English is interesting. I guess I feel that my Armour vs Armor falls into: Proper names should retain their original spellings, for example, United States Department of Defense and Australian Defence Force. It's "Armor" in the game so it should be armor in the wiki. I quite like the guidelines on the wikipedia, they sound good to me, this also may be of interest to people English_spelling_comparison_chart --Xasxas256 17:55, 25 March 2006 (CST)