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These guys!
180px|left-- ◄mendel► 17:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

No fucking way.
I won't believe it until I hear in vent. (T/C) 09:46, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Believe it. I'm willing to give a vent concert, no problem. -- ◄mendel► 11:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Moar userboxes
--> Suicidal Tendencie 17:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The contrast [[Image:Glowing Gaze.jpg]] it burns my eyes!!!!!! Random Time  18:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * NSFE: Not Safe for Epileptics. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wait - now he'll make a flashing one. Jink  19:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the idea :D
 * btw, he's Ishy, so are you Jinkie? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I'm Jink. "Ishy" is short for Dr Ishmael.  Jinkie... isn't short.  Jink  20:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I prefer Kink- *ahem* Jinkie to Jink tbh, more catchie with the "ie" bit at the end :-) --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Not trying anything here, the K bit was a real typo I thought I'd include for the lolz
 * Sorry dude. I prefer Jink, will only answer to Jink, and I hope you'll respect that. :)  Jink  02:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've not figured out yet whether you're Japanese or good at dodging. -- ◄mendel► 02:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My secrets are only for me to know (and Ishy, but he's special). :D Jink  03:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I see that we've brought the conversation away from the userbox =/ And I'll respect whatever you want Jink, but, by your logic, Ishy can request people call him Ish. Or Ish-Ish, if he should so desire. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, he could. Your point?  Jink  16:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ...that is all... --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Symbolic Kick (Placeholder) - Autocat with Location InfoBox
Here's the placeholder for the symbolic kick/reminder to setup some autocat with the location infobox. I'll update the title of this section if I really think you need the cymbals. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 06:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Nudge... :-)  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:57, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the nudge. Unfortunately, teh machine that has AWB on it suffered a driver problem and is currently off the Internet. -- ◄mendel► 17:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Postcard
The first person to send me a postcard or letter (postmark counts) will get their own userbox on my page (see that for my address). There'll be a collective userbox (or better) for those who aren't first. -- ◄mendel► 11:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * New! The Add a Section link partially blocks any links on the last line (I was trying to click your username, had to click the top ~4px for it to work >.>" ) EDIT: Oddly, my contribs link is working... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  16:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's broken anyway because for me, it is smack dab in the middle of the banner ad. Sigh. I hate Wikia. -- ◄mendel► 17:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm close to giving up, I might make a userbox that says "nobody sends me postcards but my mom". -- ◄mendel► 23:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I can send you one when I get home, be patient. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Your comment vs. my virgin talk page
Hi! Thank you for going out of your way to comment on my feeble attempt to create a QR. x]

Basically the current Assassin attack chain quick reference is a bit of a disjointed mess and formatted completely differently from every other QR. I wanted to improve and standardize it. But, the more I think about it, the more I realize how difficult it is to create a truly usable QR for Sass chains (for reasons I'll resist detailing). So, I'm simmering on the concept before I try to bug someone into making it for me.

While we're on the general topic... why does GuildWiki structure its sortable QR tables (example) with Cost, Activation, and Recharge all lumped under one "Stats" category? It seems more intuitive to be able to sort by, for example, Energy cost. In fact... GuildWiki's skill lists are kinda sort-unfriendly in general. Is that a deliberate decision?

Actually... the more I think about stuff like this, the more ideas I get, which leads to more questions, which means... I usually should stop right about now. x] Take care! -- AudreyChandler 07:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Afraid of brainstorming? I consider that a good thing! -- ◄mendel► 08:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Archiving
Greetings, my friend. If I may call you that and consider you as such. I was wondering if you archive merely in accordance with the size of the talkpage in question, or if the coding is taken into consideration when pondering such a notion. You are almost relentlessly helpful and wise, as well as managing to know and understand the policies better than the people who wrote them. If you have the time and would ponder the notion I am pondering, I would be most grateful. Thank you in advance for reading this, John. --> Suicidal Tendencie 18:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * When it gets hard to edit or hard to read. And yes, code size is a criterium. And everything is quite subjective. You get a cookie for grovelling the proper way. Have you used the Internet Oracle at some time in the past? -- ◄mendel► who may or may not know how to ZOT 18:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Cookie? I see no cookie... do you mean Wikia left one on my P.C.?
 * Tragically the remainder of your doubtlessly insightful writings were beyond the grasp of my most humble intelligence or lack their of, as the case may be --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 18:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I am curious
why it is not a copyright violation for us to have pictures like the piplup on Optime Doom's talk, when gww, gw2w, and even pvx (who is also CC) aren't --  Shadowcrest  19:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a bunch of 1s and 0s, it merely resembles Piplup, proving that it is indeed Piplup and in anyway violates copyright would not be the easiest task
 * And orly? PvXWiki is where I originally encountered it. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It indeed resembles Piplup, and that's all there is needed for it to be a copyvio. When you draw a Piplup in Paint, but alter the colors to red/orange/purple, it's still a Piplup.. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  19:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I believed that it would be required to prove that something is something, for a court to sanction it, or whatever the procedure is.
 * This is largely based on the idea innocent until proven guilty and guesswork
 * If I was incorrect, I apologize --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 19:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's intellectual property. Nintendo could sue at any time- iirc, the gist of what they told PvX (yes, someone from PvX asked Nintendo) was "We're probably not going to sue, but we can still sue whenever we want." --  Shadowcrest  19:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I herd it was more like "we technically could sue if we wanted to, but frankly we don't /care so you may as well go ahead" [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If they weren't going to sue why'd you remove it from gw2w? I thought we were always aware there was like a .01% chance of ever being sued for anything, but we deleted copyvios anyway. --  Shadowcrest  23:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No one's going to sue over copyvios on gww, gw2w, pvx, or gwiki (99.9999%) but we delete them to give some semblace of caring about copyright law. It's the only responsible and moral thing to do. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ...then why is the piplup still here? --  Shadowcrest  01:26, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's still under discussion (?) and I'd be getting iffy with 1RV stuff? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it is in Warwick's userspace and should be replaced/removed there. Who wants to tell her? -- ◄mendel► 03:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Would someone please just explain to me how it got there? =/ --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 10:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * She put it there. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  10:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * While we're on the subject of PokeHunts... User:Felix Omni/Piplup would also neeed to be removed, amirite ? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * ty Viper --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 12:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya, I suggest 7 day copyvio warning (the one we use for images) inside noinclude tags, and a note on the talkpage, but I don't want to do it (for personal reasons). -- ◄mendel► 14:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and there are also some Mudkips floating around. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 08:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're an admin, do your duty! ;-) -- ◄mendel► 11:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That was a subtle hint that I don't remember where they are and was wondering if maybe you did, or else I'd already be on it. Felix also informs me that he wants to do some more research into copyright laws before we launch a full-scale PokeHunt (or delete anything, rather). [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've only ever seen the handdrawn copyright-safe mudkips. Felix's got 7 days, and if that's not enough, he can always undelete later. -- ◄mendel► 02:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Comments
Would be imprudent to place in public place. Contact me next time we're both on IRC. Short summary: I don't agree with or understand your position (who'da thunk it?). (T/C) 04:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * :-( -- ◄mendel► 09:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * On further consideration, since there's really an absolutely massive amount of stuff to respond to (without performing very liberal, juducious concicementizing), would you prefer I just e-mail you instead? That would also let me send it to you when the sun is up. (that's right, I'd risk getting tanned just for you!) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, since for some reason you're not on irc now, that would certainly be an option. Remember I am the user who has Wikimail me? high up on his userpage? ;-) -- ◄mendel► 11:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not on IRC because I had full intentions to go to bed hours ago, but got distracted by more wiki stuff. Why would I use emailuser function if I already have your normal email? So I can use wiki formatting? :\ [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 12:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just mentioned that to indicate that I don't mind getting emailed. :-P -- ◄mendel► 12:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Kongregate
If you enjoy playing Flash games and like to keep a record of what youplayed (plus some social tools, including revealing what you're playing), you may have considered signing up with Kongregate. If you use this link to visit Kongregate and sign up, the GuildWiki user (who won't be playing any games) will get points as you "level up" on Kongregate by playing games.

I'd be willing to do something like this for other sites, but I'm a bit reluctant to announce it on the Community Portal. Should I? -- ◄mendel► 19:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Since it's OT, why not a page (linked from Community) of "Guild Wiki Members Recommend These Sites..." or some such. The topics would be website names, followed by short descrip and member's sig (or multiple sigs, if many recommend).  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah, we've never done it that way :). There might be a userbox though. -- ◄mendel► 21:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Kongregate is a game site? I could have sworn that was some kind of app on KDE. :/ Lord Belar 22:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For userbox, see Template:User Kongregate. -- ◄mendel► 23:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Guildwiki Kongregate eh? Well, why not. Ezekiel  [Talk]  13:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

mediawiki resizing of images
Do you know why Template:Disambig is broken? The image is valid, but it seems like resizing a .png within a table breaks things. (T/C) 05:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/gw/images/thumb/2/24/Disambiguous.png/30px-Disambiguous.png isn't actually valid right now. I'm trying to purge ("refresh") Image:Disambiguous.png and hope it updates. Wikia ftl. -- ◄mendel► 06:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Weird - the purge makes that link be a 404 File not found, then after doing a preview on the template it suddenly appears. -- ◄mendel► 06:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I got blocked
...on Darthipedia. They don't mess around. My user page with the backlink here got overwritten. The edit in question on User talk:Linda Mancia got revision deleted (i.e. only admins can see it). They have 5 admins; one doesn't have email set up, so I mailed the other 3.

Subject: Madclaw just blocked me

I got blocked for posting the following on User talk:Linda Mancia, which Madclaw has now revision deleted. I tried to hit a not-too-serious tone, but apparently that backfired. Sorry. -- M.mendel


 * This looks bad. Ask me, and I'd say this: taking a dispute that happened on irc to the wiki, now that looks bad. Vendetta? Maybe, maybe not. But bad. Go look at w:c:darth:Darthipedia:IRC, nice article that is, well written too. It mentions getting kicked off the chat. It mentions getting banned off the chat. What does it say about catching flak on the wiki? Nothing. Zip. Nada. Looks bad. You know what looks worse? Giving a user a week of cooldown without a talkpage warning. I mean, chat and all that, but the written word, it carries weight, it does. You better not disrespect. So you say Linda's "IRC behaviour" makes her look bad. This makes you look bad. Planning to get one of them black helmets soon, you are? You better be, or you're doing it wrong. If you ask me, that is. --~

We'll see what happens. I'm having fun. :) -- ◄mendel► 02:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Lmao, they blocked you "until you're 13 years of age." [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, and Showcrest, too. Probably means I can edit there in 5 years or so. Anyway, MadDog Madclaw read this page and found it worth quoting. ;) -- ◄mendel► 02:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool story bro. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That quote is as out of context as is physically possible without having an ellipse between every word.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]îğá†ħŕášħ 03:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, posted on his talk - how long until I get the banhammer Random Time  08:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * RT, nobody was banned for COPPA - see the block reasons. That's just supposed to be a joke. (And the best answer to Nifky is, people lie. What somebody writes on a wiki someplace else does not constitute proof, and either way, you wouldn't infiniban.)
 * Do I really have to ask you guys to not go invading other wikis? Again? Just let it go. You could've achieved more by doing some beginner's edits on darth and idling in their freenode channel. What do you know, it could be fun? -- ◄mendel► 11:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and please do have the sense to create a new account if you do that. -- ◄mendel► 11:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, surely you were expecting us to do something by posting this on your talk...also, invading other wikis and spreading Air of Superiority is what we do, it's what makes us RebelWiki. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll probably drop a few wikia folks a line if I get blocked there. We can definitely stir the pot with obvious sysop abuse - there's actually a precedent for demotion if that happens :D - Auron 11:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I want to give the Bcrat a few days to react. He already demoted one sysop (supergeek), he might be willing to do something about this. In fact, on the topic of "Bcrat getting banned (for going counter the prevalent wiki culture)" I was already thinking of you yesterday ;-}. And Entropy, beating up a wiki 1/100th our size (in traffic) is not being rebel. :-P -- ◄mendel► 11:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A lion does not pass up on prey simply because it is easy. :[ I did not mean to suggest we beat them up, but rather educate them in teh ways of better wiki. It worked well on SmashWiki. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 12:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but on Smash we supported Salad, who had an interest (and others of us as well). Anyway, my reason for posting this was basically to show you all how good you have it here - and, in a PanSola vein, to demonstrate that even Bcrats get in trouble sometimes, we're not so special. :) -- ◄mendel► 12:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

See w:c:darth:Forum:To our Guildwars brethren. -- ◄mendel► 17:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Currently editing]] over{{formatnum:{{#expr:582797753+{{formatnum:{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} 582,799,415 articles - 582797753 = 1662 articles. We have {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles. -- ◄mendel► 20:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What's the point of falsifying number of articles? E-peen? :/ - Auron 00:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Their idea of a joke, I guess. If it was serious, they'd have chosen a believable number. -- ◄mendel► 01:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 20,187 would have been a better joke. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

To my Darthipedia Brethren
You've come to a wiki where editors openly criticize the admins - and don't get blocked for it. We only delete text off the wiki's history if there's a compelling legal reason - not because we fear an open talk. Things happen differently here.

What you see above is not a coordinated effort to invade your wiki, and if you had listened in on our chat channel, you'd have seen that nothing of that sort was ongoing. (You'd have seen Supergeek trolling us for 1 1/2 hours yesterday, though; it was fun at first, but got lame later.) What happens is that each and everyone who read this thought to himself "WTF?" and decided to share their thoughts. If you look up the contribution histories of the users concerned, you'll find they can't be socks - heck, half of them are our admins. (For Auron, check pvx:). And every new block by Madclaw just fueled the "WTF?" feeling.

I come away from this feeling that you're on an Orwellian wiki that punishes any kind of criticism as disruption, and if I ever planned to contribute there, I sure won't do that now. And guess what? I don't care. Nice rant on that forum, though, Madclaw. A bit delusional, but nice anyway. :) I was kind of expecting Gonk to have more sense, to be actually able to enter a reasonable dialogue, but that's never happened.

How does it feel to serve the evil empire? Ah, you wouldn't want to have it any other way, right. I'll not be seeing you. -- ◄mendel► 21:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So say we all Random Time  21:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm opposed to being bandwagoned without my knowledge and would strongly encourage you to change your reply to "I agree" or something similar. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It almost sounds like that entire wiki is "owned" by one person who has multiple puppets pretending to be other people... O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 02:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * "sounds"? More like is.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]îğá†ħŕášħ  02:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

BTW
I'm not actually the same person, it just seemed like a good idea at the time.--Łô√ë îğá†ħŕášħ 03:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Now you insult me. -- ◄mendel► 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Always.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]îğá†ħŕášħ 03:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Images on page
Reminder to self: put a list of images on a page in the bottom section of its edit page, next to the template transclusions. -- ◄mendel► 07:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is the info on when that functionality was added (here) and here is the version i think we're using now (here). So i think they'd need to update dpl to get that to properly work. --JonTheMon 16:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Duplication of content allowed on Wikia
What would you do if you ever find a wiki duplicating content of "your" wiki ?

I was so shocked.

So i contacted Wikia in many way at the same time. One been a message on Angela's talk page.

But, sadly, she doesn't seems to understand why this is a problem.

So, now i'll have to try my best to "beat them" (by reproducing their unique content in the way we do at fr.guildwars - without copying it).

It's war. — TulipVorlax 08:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Compatible license is compatible? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 11:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm, for starters I have problems understanding their mission statement on the mainpage -- what is "Ombrevents"? Usually, people are not allowed to create wiki that duplicates the mission of an existing wiki exactly, so if somebody gave it a "go" they must have a different orientation - are they intending to write more fanfic, more "advice" type of pages, more guild pages, or what?
 * There is only one way you can do skills because the data is the same. And in fact, you could copy each other directly (if you give credit) because the GFDL your wikis are under allows it. Copy the content by special:export/import (full history), and you've got everything the GFDL demands. So by that token, it can't be war - you either cooperate and learn from each other, or you don't. Guess what will be helping you most?
 * You might also want to tell them that they can link your articles with [[w:c:fr.guildwars:Lacération|Lacération ]]. -- ◄mendel► 11:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, i telled them, but a bit late, maybe. They dont care.
 * They have simply disguised their duplication orientation by saying it's an alliance wiki (not that it's not true; it's just incomplete).
 * I did not looked other replies i got here and there but i think that it's still "war" because now i'll began to "steal" what they have that we have not. But never in a way that will need attribution; i mean, i dont do copy-paste or anything; i create original content that might look alike but will still be original. Like i always done on fr.guildwars.
 * — TulipVorlax 23:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)