GuildWiki talk:Community portal/Archive 17

The recent vandalism
Is, firstly unacceptable, if it is a sockpuppet of any user here they should be ashamed (not to say it is). The spammer seems to: Anything we can do, apart from :D and bear it? RT | Talk  18:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Create a link using !important before each argument in the span tag
 * Remove from the article, small amounts of content, so it looks like a very minor revision
 * Use a referer URL (url2it.com in this case - i've looked on there site, there seems no clear way to report a bad url to have it removed)


 * Also he uses Position:Absolute. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah! RT | Talk  18:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it still happening in the last few days? And is it also happening on the official wiki or are we the only target? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't check the Official Wiki. It has happened a few hours (well, 3 hours) ago. It doesnt happen on GW2W for as far as I've seen tho. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What does the vandalism do, anyway? (I've been a bit less active here) Thought ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] (Talk) 21:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It covers the entire page with an invisible external link pointing to bad sites. No matter where you click on the page you get sent there. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a javascript that should reduce the damage it causes, until the bad guys catch on and invent something new. In the mean while, the javascript *might* break some fancy legitimate use of external link formatting.  Please report any such occurrences. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And I've no doubt they've protected their own page with it. I don't see how it's possible to cause whatever they've caused. Thought ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] (Talk) 22:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ignorance is bliss. I don't want GuildWiki to turn into the Academy for Advanced Vandalism Techniques.  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Something similar (or identical) was tested over here. I also looked at the HTML of the page and found probable causes why a couple of elements weren't covered (see the talk page) --Gimmethegepgun 22:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I've missed these vandalisms, what does "absolute" do? <font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  22:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It makes the positioning of the element measured with respect to the entire page, as opposed to it's immediate container. This is how it's range/size can cover the entire page. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, "absolute" makes it relative to the container. "fixed" makes it relative to the page.  "relative" (default) makes it relative to the current position of the element. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * .........OK, so it makes it cover the page. OK then.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Except the GuildWiki logo, the navigation bar on the side (just the one, not all the boxes), the search box, and the tabs on top --Gimmethegepgun 00:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Skill templates
What happened to the "edit skill details" button? Cress Arvein(Talk) 00:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ummm... it seems like  isn't working --Gimmethegepgun 01:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I first noticed something strange in the statistics page, the job queue link disappeared. Regular external links appear to work, but plainlinks isn't --Gimmethegepgun 01:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just was going to post that. The main page link to PvX and Gw2wiki are gone (they are in the code, but aren't showing up). Cress Arvein(Talk) 01:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And I just found something very strange. Check out my sandbox and look at the code. Before, only the pure external (no plainlinks) one showed up, but now for some reason... uhh just look at it. Also try removing either one of the spans and see what happens --Gimmethegepgun 01:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd guess it's due to Pan's changes to the Common.js --Gimmethegepgun 01:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * On Internet Explorer, the links show up :/ Cress Arvein(Talk) 01:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess that's because IE is such EpicPhailTM that the changes to the Common.js won't work on it --Gimmethegepgun 01:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also all the links on the Ban template are fucked --Gimmethegepgun 01:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * After purging cache that seems to have fixed it --Gimmethegepgun 01:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Back to normal again, I guess. Cress Arvein(Talk) 01:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Long loading and time-outs
GuildWiki is awfully slow today. Also I get time outs like every 4th click within GuildWiki. What does that cause? It's a pain to add stuff like that. Other pages work just fine. LOL even got an error after I clicked Save here ;_; *grrrr* I'm no person with much patience :P 2nd time-out *sigh*, wonder if I'll be ever able to post this comment... 3rd with new error: The requested URL could not be retrieved --Birchwooda Treehug 20:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems that someone has a grudge against Wikia and is doing DDoS attacks of all of Wikia. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Kind of ironic, because they don't give Wikia any problems, just the people who are trying to use the websites <font face = "Matura MT Script Capitals">Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 21:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

1.12 should be coming soon
FFXI and EQ2 are upgrading to 1.12 right now. Depending on how many new bugs get discovered, so I'm guessing it might be our turn sometime next week or the week after (the more bugs, the later). -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 04:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * <makes entry in diary to be sure to be "away on business" next week> :D --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 04:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wolfie, better update your diary d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Were in
Wikia's big wiki list! YAYYY! <font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  20:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We have been for months now d-: And Yu-Gi-Oh! just recently surpassed us )-:  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Semantic MediaWiki
The Semantic MediaWiki is an extension currently undergoing testing on Wikia, and I think it can be useful on GuildWiki. The testing site on Wikia's installation of SMW is here. Official documentation of SMW can be found here. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 22:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as it works with wikied, it's probably fine <font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  22:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What I mean by that is, I don't realy understand the document, but if it works with my editor extention (Called wikied) it's probably fine <font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  22:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Admittedly only had a brief read through some of the features / examples, but agree that some of those features could be very handy for GuildWiki. One question-mark though, what sort of impact is it likely to have on the servers, infrastructure etc?  Ie, all that additional syntax structuring etc will surely come at some extra server resources usage cost?  Will Wikia accommodate that? --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 03:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Semantic MediaWiki, if I am not mistaken, is MUCH better than DPL at performing similar tasks (which is currently deployed on standard Wikia installations, and we'll probably get DPL once we upgrade to 1.12). Wikia is currently testing it, which means looking for bugs or any subtle corner cases of huge resource drain, and if it passes the tests, then it will be available to all Wikia wikis (may not necessarily be automatically on by default).  I believe it would be generally desirable in terms of resource consumption to convert any applicable usage of DPL into Semantic MediaWiki. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, very cool. Anything that can enhance performance is a good thing, and if it can give us some neat new features as part of the bargin, all the better! --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * At first glance, I thought this was called "Semitic MediaWiki." I was nearly horrified. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Some answers from the developers:
 * SMW can indeed be used in many ways – be creative! (In the gaming context, e.g., you could realise DB like functions as offered by http://thottbot.com/ as part of the wiki, while still having normal wiki pages; you can also make something like a wiki-based blog or a multi-lingual documentation (scroll down for other languages))
 * Performace impact of advanced queries depends on the query and data; Wikia might configure SMW to allow only queries of limited complexity to prevent server overload
 * Compatibility with other extensions is important to us, please report any problems and we will try to fix them (see http://semantic-mediawiki.org on how to report bugs/wishes and where to get support)
 * The extended syntax can be hidden in templates, if desired (I think http://discoursedb.org is a good example for that)
 * -- Markus Krötzsch (SMW project) 20:55, 12 March 2008 (CET)

Cress Arvein
Umm, is there something going on with Cress Avin? I was pressing the Shield and Swords and  so many times that it eventually borught me to Cress Arvein's page.--‎ Spam  King  18:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no clue what "pressing the Shield and Swords and  " is referring to, so can't really help you there. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Does he mean the GuildWiki logo at the top of the page? <font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  22:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Duh, what other thing has that on this site, except the image for completed missions in tyria.--[[image:Spam_King_Sig.gif|19px]]‎ Spam  King  22:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I repeatedly clicked it and got... the Main Page. :/ Cress Arvein(Talk) 22:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that i was clicking it with the scroll thing on my mouse and it was openign up new tabs for me.--[[image:Spam_King_Sig.gif|19px]]‎ Spam  King  04:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Skill color-code
A proposal at GuildWiki_talk:Style_and_formatting/Skills may have major effect on the looks of a significant number of articles. Please take a look and comment if you care about the issue. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 09:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You guys know that a lack of response means a free license for me to do whatever I want and you'll never get to complain right? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it, provided I don't have to edit the icons. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the idea, and for Elite PvE skills, how about half of the border silver, and the other half gold, either in the middle of the picture or the middle of the border going around. <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 02:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem I see in this is that some random person is going to come here looking up a skill that they just got in-game, and see a gray border on it, and wonder wtf is that supposed to mean??. It's not like it's in the game like the elite skill borders, where people can identify them with.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So let's think about how to easily provide the answer to the question wtf is that supposed to mean?? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just add a small note to all pve-only articles: "This skill is displayed as any normal skill in-game." [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The gold border isn't the same as the actual icon in game. Put a border around all the skills. DIfferent colors for different things: Kurz/Lux, PvE, etc. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 02:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It may not be the same, but it's very similar, and it represents the same thing. IMO, unless we can somehow make people understand what the gray border means at a first glance, I don't really see the point in it.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think on Quick References, it already has seperate sections for them. It would be a lot easier and less confusing to just add something to the skill boxes that says something like "PvE spell" than changing the icons.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  02:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Skill Archives?
Is there any way to see the old versions of skills here on Wiki? I was trying to remember exactly what a few skills looked like before nerfs over the past 2 years. Zuranthium 10:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Skills descriptions are done in templates, where the history of all old versions are. Simply click the edit skill details above the skills image on its page and view that history. --[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 10:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Another DoS?
Seems like another long loading time spike... <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful  17:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah. 'Wiki's slow. Annoying as heck. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 17:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Haven't noticed anything myself. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Anet down?
Is it just me or all servers are down? I can't start the game and I can't open GWW, GW2W or GW.com<strong style="color: black;">reanor 21:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it's fixed now.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 21:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

weapon cats
any objections to and does anyone want to implement categories for the DAW weapons? mostly for curiosity but it will help keep track of the newly added weapons. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna put em all in Category:Design-A-Weapon contest weapons... &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 02:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm up for it.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 08:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

What the..
My wiki just looked messed up, its totally screwed now.. Whats happened? -- <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr.) 20:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Screenshot so we can see what it looks like?--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's all normal on my screen, still using Firefox 2.0.0.12. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong here either. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All sigs have a blue box around them, and everything is in the wrong place. How do I take the screen? prntscn isnt working.. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr.) 20:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Print page and scan it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible new quick reference
I have been trying to research to make a good dervish build myself. Since most of dervish's energy management (mysticism) revolves around losing enchantments, I think there should be a quick reference for all the enchantments that give positive benefits when they end. --Voidvector 16:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Effect on end skills quick reference is probably sufficient though... [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, sorting thing isn't work. Good enough, i can figure out from profession and attribute. --Voidvector 17:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Skins Information in Unique Weapon Template
I look over unique item pages all the time, as I think many others do as well. It occurred to me that almost all of these unique weapons and offhands are reskins of existing common/rare items, and the skin is always mentioned in the article either at the top or under a notes section. Since this is clearly useful information that applies to every single green drop, I propose that we add a line in the template under "Dropped by:" saying (for example) "Skin: Suntouched Scythe" or "Skin: Unique" as appropriate. Obviously, I have no desire to make the weapon template large and unwieldy, but since this information is on every single green item page, I think this will serve to make the information easier to find, as it willbe in a standard position. Thoughts? --Hashmir 19:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea, but it will be a lot of work to fix every single unique item page--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So was fixing all the pages with a template >.>
 * Sounds like a good idea imo. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  19:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be a lot of work for one person... but if we work together, it will be pretty easy. I'll take care of unique bows. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I can get monk items. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  19:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Even easier since we made categories :) --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  19:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Want me to take a crack at adding to the template, or would one of you gents like to do it? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I have it. Starting monk items now. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 19:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How would you specify if it that skinned but dyed?--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 19:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just putting weapon skin dyed   --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm putting " Unique (except for other unique items) " for things like Ssuns' Staff, and PvP reward for pvp reward staff skins. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please make sure you remove redundant notes. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Starting Dervish weapons.
 * Hey, my idea was liked and executed. I feel cool now. XD Anyway, I'm going through the warrior weapons and just moving the info from notes sections. For space reasons, I've elected to use "Ungula Axe dyed green" format for clear dye jobs, while just saying "Stygian Reaver" for special colors, such as Axe of the Kinslayer." If someone has a better convention for special colors, I'll go back through and change them, but I find that anything more detailed stretches the box, defeating the purpose. --Hashmir 00:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)'
 * I just said "Suntouched Spear uniquely dyed" for things like Droknar's Spear. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  16:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I said "with unique coloring" for Drok's bows. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How about "Long Sword (unique)" in the box, leaving the notes saying they share the model but the color setup is different? --Hashmir 21:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * For things like that I put Similar to #### (see notes) and left the note in.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 22:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * For consistency's sake, put the dye color in parentheses, it looks better. (as in skin (dyed ) )[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  18:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

checklist
--<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 20:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Warrior- complete- Hashmir 01:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ranger- complete- [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Monk- complete- <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Necro- complete-(blood/curses magic complete-Alari) (finished --Hashmir 18:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC))
 * Mesmer- complete- [[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  16:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ele- Don't know who did them all, but... i checked and theyre complete.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Credit goes to User:Gildan Bladeborn.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sin- complete--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 20:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rit- complete- <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Para- complete- <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Derv- complete- <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Unique Foci (greens) complete :D yeah go me woot! Lost-Blue 16:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So the ele wands and staves are not yet complete?[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  16:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I declare this project to be complete! [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 03:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it was User:Gildan Bladeborn. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  03:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just posted that... anyway, it was mostly complete a while ago, I just cleaned up a couple to match the official (my) standard so they all look the same. Someone just needs to sign better =P[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  03:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

GW2
So, I've been thinking about it; And those of us who have stayed with gwiki mostly stayed because they dislike gww. So, we could either: OR What do you all think? &mdash;<font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">♥May♥ <font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">Wick♥ 11:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Create our own site
 * Make GWiki into a wiki for both gw and gw2.
 * Look on the main page, we have a link to GW2W. I think most of GuildWiki has decided to merge to GW2W rather than make a-whole-nother wiki. <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 11:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That would split the community. Again. Which is bad. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  17:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Gw2w I think <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  17:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we just need to strive to make GW2W more similiar to our site than to GWW. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we'll be able to match Anet's GW2 wiki. The only reason we're still here is because we had a 2 year head start. With both wiki's starting on equal ground, their superior manpower will leave us in the dust. --Macros 17:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oplz, our kickassness pwns face :P  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  17:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Just use the Official GW2 Wiki. The users are nice, and policies are now written and flamed :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 17:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There are basically two factors to consider when choosing between two wikis, as I see it. People (like myself) choose this wiki because it was around first, so it has a more entrenched user base and considerably more ancillary information, such as useful notes, talk pages, etc.  Others choose the official wiki because they feel that it, as an official wiki, is in a better position to be the "one true wiki," so to speak.  If our community in its entirety goes to GW2W from the start, then there's no need to choose, and we'll just have one big shiny wiki with everything, which we can all agree is preferable.  I'd like to think that visually it'd be more like this one, but I trust that with a gigantic userbase, everything will work out for the best.  --Hashmir 18:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know about you but theres nothing I like about official wiki, how it looks or how it is ran and frankly many members of its userbase annoy me. If they host a unofficial wiki for GW2 I will join no matter what rather then a copy of that place.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 18:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

A wiki is run by how the community want it to be run. If you don't contribute to the running of the GW2W, it will not be how you want it. If you don't like how it ends up, that's probably because you didn't contribute. As of now, the GW2W has no standing rules (other than what the admins feel is appropriate for the running of the wiki) so everything can be moulded how everyone wants it to be, right from the start. GW2W won't be a copy of any place unless the community, a community of Guild Wars Wikians, GuildWikians, PvXians and anyone else, wants it to be. -- Brains12 \ Talk 18:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * While the official GW2 wiki shares the user database (and most of the userbase) with the official GWW, there is/was a movement to hopefully prevent GW2W from suffering the same structural problems that GWW faces. Therefore I highly encourage anyone who doesn't like the way GWW is run, to head over to GW2W NOW and help shape the policies and social dynamics of GW2W, instead of assuming it will be just like GWW and thus reject it. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 18:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Blah, don't bring up this sort of topic all over again. We had enough problems with it the first time GWW-splitting was mentioned. It's obvious: we don't have the strength, numbers, influence, media coverage, funds, ETC. to match GW2W in any way. All we have (maybe) is a better inheritence, less riffraffy userbase (if only because we're smaller now), and spirit. We care about GWiki to a much greater degree overall than GWW/GW2W editors to those wikis. But passion and hope aren't enough to get by on if you are going to make another Wiki for Guild Wars 2. I think it is commendable to show such loyalty, and I surely do appreciate it. But ultimately, unless some true miracle happens, I think we all have to face the inevitable truth that we are finished. I don't mean to sound so defeatist, but when GWW came around, we had some great benefits still; when PvX forked we honestly didn't lose a whole lot more than face and time;when the Wikia move happened...well, there was no tangible change, I guess. But this? How are we going to ride out GW2W? We are running out of trump cards fast. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 00:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What she said. (I had to look up "riffraff").[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 02:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that "beating" GW2W would involve beating ourselves, to an extent. Already, lots of users there are from GWiki, as well as GWW; the majority there (last I checked) really wants the policy side of it to be a nice balance of GWW and GWiki, taking the good parts of both (yes, there are good parts of GWW's policies, and there are bad parts of our own). Splitting off into a GWiki2? We would have an even smaller userbase then now, what with so many users here more then happy to go to the new official one from the start. And I'll bet nobody from GWW currently would switch in the other direction come GW2.
 * Just my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  07:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Um, Warwick, please tell me someone is impersonating you: w:c:requests:Guildwars2, because otherwise, you just pretty much ignored the opinion of EVERYONEELSE who has commented here. -User:PanSola (talk to the )23:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering this, the fact that it seems to be created by someone who is part of the GuildWiki community, and obviously the username.. I would guess it's Warwick. -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:30, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not everyone, I already don't like the new wiki for gw2.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 00:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Why? -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Various reasons that would turn into a angry rant were I to start posting them. And thats just counter-productive. In general tho, the community and where it is headed.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 00:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you Warwick for trying to split the GW community in two again. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 00:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec) Feel free to post a rant on my talk page. Kinda interested why you think what you think. I think it's best to iron out any doubts about the wiki so it doesn't have any problems, so it may turn out productive; who knows. -- Brains12 \ Talk 00:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe later :) Still, you must realize there will be a gw2 wikia, theres a wikia for everything, and if gww2 is as disappointing to me as I think it will be, then I will spend my spare time at the wikia, even if theres only a fraction of users.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 00:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to help shape the GW2W, start contributing there -- everything is being started from scratch. Although it's hardly active at the moment, the discussion should revive whenever some Guild Wars 2 information is released; it may happen before that though, so you should try and check in every so often. -- Brains12 \ Talk 01:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Wanted pages
Does anyone deal with them?--Relyk 01:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I look at them from time to time. The problem with alot of them is that they are linked to from userspace. Userspace is a messy place to edit. &mdash;<font color=#55FF22>&clubs; Jedi &clubs; Rogue &clubs; 01:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Bad news (wikia)
On wikia... I asked:
 * When GuildWiki moves from gw.gamewikis.org to guildwars.wikia.com, will our logings still work, or will we change to wikia central logins?
 * {#wikia} Randomtime: your logins will work, however...
 * {#wikia}if someone at wikia already have the same name as someone at GuildWiki, these people will be affixed with a GW- or otherwise similar prefix on their usernames

uh oh! <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  22:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * More info: If email address and password is the same, they sould be automerged <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  22:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BS, why is this even happening again?--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 00:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Wait... since I have no idea about how Wikia works, does this mean our GW usernames will log us into any Wikia wiki once they move us?<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  01:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I've got a Wikia account. I'd better make sure everything's synced-up. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  01:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * They might have told us that right away. Just so we can reserve our names ASAP. We just have to make sure that the email addresses match? &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 01:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt I have to worry, as my name is utter nonsense I made up off the top of my head one day.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  01:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * stalks off to sign up the utter non-sense account name... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 04:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is probably very bad news for me. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 06:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My name is unique as far as I know. Still, way to go Wikia incompetence. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 08:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * They said it was fine if email and password match... <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  08:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt anybody will take Marcopolo, much less 47.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 17:16, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How many Lost-Blue"s" are there? o>O I think I'm fine...Lost-Blue 17:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How interesting. I join 5 seconds ago, and I have a message from 23 days ago.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 17:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've only seen one person steal my name, so I doubt that someone else will get it, however if someone does end up with it User:GW-Gigathrash works with me.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">ìğá†ħŕášħ Talk 19:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like you're owed a fuller explanation. This page - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Upgrade_early_2008 - on WoWWiki covers much of the info you need as we are in almost exactly the same position at the moment.

The user db merge won't be happening for over a week, so you have time to check your names. The major benefit of the merge is that your username will log you onto any Wikia wiki, and you'll stay logged in as you move between them. It also makes life a easier for the techs as your support will join everyone else's. The username change for some users is an inevitable effect of any merge. However, if you are affected, Wikia may be able to help you, especially if the other username has not edited. Kirkburn 15:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well this sucks for me, since it looks like there already is a "Poki" on wikia (I get an "incorrect password" error). Poki3 is free, so hopefully I'll be able to resolve that quickly (and I'm going to register that username right now!). On a half-related issue, the background image disappeared in the standard mediawiki skin. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 17:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh! I knew something looked weird... My adblock fell behind to :( [[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 19:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So it did. That should be fairly easy to restore (though perhaps an opportunity to have a new one more related to Guild Wars?). I think it would be along the lines of adding this to MediaWiki:Monobook.css:

body { background: #FFF url(http://someurl.gif) repeat; }
 * If anyone has an image to replace it, upload it to the wiki, find out the direct link to the uploaded file and get an admin to add it to the above. Kirkburn 19:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

"It also makes life a easier for the techs as your support will join everyone else's." -What? (T/C) 02:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he means when soemthing needs to be fixed/upgraded, there's only one fix to apply because everyone is on the same database. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm personally suprised there was no Thoughtful already. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 02:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh man, it's like the ZenWorks nightmare all over again. I can only wish for the best. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 02:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm? [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 02:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Glad to see the background is back. :) Can those complaining about the new skin at least try out monaco for a few days? It's all well and good saying immediately "I hate it", but you don't actually get a sense of the skin without at least a few days use, especially witht he widgets and the better menu system. I'm not going to force you to change, but Wikia's support is concentrated on that skin, not others. Kirkburn 15:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well my name is, obviously taken (I'll try to be more original in future and not take names from interesting sounding elements on the periodic table). I was wondering if, when i get this GW prefix, will i lose my editcount, contribs, userpages etc? If so im off to the official wiki <B><font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green"><B>Talk</B>  18:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would imagine that everything relating to you would be moved along with it; Of course, given that every page in your userspace would also need to be moved, I'm not really sure how it's going to work. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is correct. Everything associated with your username, including edit count, contribs, userpages, etc. would be moved over to your new username. --KyleH (talk) 18:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I assume some sort of administrative bot would be in charge of coordinating all that? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And what about links to the userspace pages (not to mention, what about signatures)? &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 18:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the work is done automatically by the import script and happens behind-the-scenes. I'll need to check on signatures and links to userspace pages for you.  I'll get back to you on that.  Also, if you, or anyone else reading this, haven't signed my username survey yet, please be sure to sign your name here.  Thanks! --KyleH (talk) 19:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, thankyou for your reassurances. I'm glad i won't have to move to the sycophantic bureaucracy hole that is the official wiki :).--<B><font color="Blue">Cobalt </B>| <font color="Green"><B>Talk</B>  20:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Original. Really. -- Brains12 \ Talk 21:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Policy/guideline regarding embedding of youtube videos in main article spaces
<youtube height=125 width=150>yL_-1d9OSdk ''Note that this discussion does not care about talk pages or user pages. It only deals with articles in the main article space.''

With the wikia code migration, Youtube videos can now be embedded into wiki articles (see w:c:help:youtube for details). I think official trailers obviously can be included into main articles, but how about gameplay footage for walkthroughs? What are we going to allow/disallow in terms of usage of videos in main article space? -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 09:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not want on mainspace at all <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  09:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Rational? I personally think on the Guild Wars Factions page it would be ok to embed the official Factions trailer. A number of guide articles (such as title points farming) right now uses external youtube links which might have merit of being directly embedded into the articles too (which is mostly the topic I want to explore and hear the for's and against's rationales). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 09:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For a embedded video to be useful it would have to be big enough, about 500px. I'm not sure if there's enough space for that on most articles :/ &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 10:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I am seeing the potential for abuse and vandalism too high with something like this. It could be useful, but also harmful at the same time.  -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  10:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to restrict this against anons at the very least? I also see its potential uses, but like Isk8 I worry about abuse. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that the potential for vandalism and abuse is very high, as compared to the potential benefits, which are kind of low. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't restriction against anons, since it's just something you type and save into the article. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 05:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

You can also now easily embed images hosted off-site here I notice. What about policies for that? &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * None, we voted to kill that feature.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  20:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the problems this could cause outweigh the benefits, especially since in the related links section we can just put a link to the video. We don't have to actually have the video here if it's just sitting and waiting to be linked to. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  16:15, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I would like to advocate, at the very minimum, to allow official trailers to be embedded on the articles for the games. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 04:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't mind official trailers. But I'm still worried about some sort of controls being in place. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I need rules or im going to spam my McDoandsl thing everywehere!@!!!!!!!!! hey i have an uknown mental disorder, be nice! D: <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 04:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikia seems to have some sort of filtering ability when it comes to these videos too. Look at Image_talk:The_Real_May.jpg.  That one particular video that shadowphoenix tried to post would never play in the guild wiki window; kept saying it was no longer available.  Is this something we can use to our advantage if it is in fact a filter? -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  05:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

<youtube height=250 width=300>9zxbWNaKq3U&feature=related <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 05:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Err.. Wtf?! -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8 (T / C)  05:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

<youtube height=250 width=300>IUXpuwIDfDE&feature=related ... great filter <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 05:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it blocks Brittney Spears, so it must have hope :D -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8 (T / C)  05:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Monobook, alterations?
There normaly is an extra line at the bottom of a page on monobook, but during wikia transactions, it seems to have gone, anyone know where it went? <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  11:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's probably getting wasted at some bar <.<. And is it just me, or is the text a bit too far to the left and right? &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 12:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I made the paddings on the two sides smaller (5px) to squeeze extra pixels into the content area. As for extra line, I'm not sure what line we are talking about )-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 12:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Rcftw.jpg|100px]] is what I mean <B><font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black"><B>Talk</B>  12:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Could you revert the padding back to normal? Without the margins it just looks bad :/ And the line RT is talking about is probably related to this padding. It's the space between the last thing on the page and the end of the content area. It looks smaller then it was before the move. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 12:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The Gaile Gray Event animals
Need some work on them, along with articles for the Hippopotamus, Young Howler, Young Wallow, and Panda I think.--Relyk 22:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Can someone tell me
Why are links to Redirects being removed from the articles all over? Doesn't really matter, does it? --- -- (s)talkpage 17:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirects? Idk. Disambigs? That's semi-worthwhile, if you have nothing better to do. Better than spam.  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  16:15, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
 * Because it lessens the job queue/server load slightly. For the same reason double redirects are stupid, you want to always ideally link to the intended target with no stops in between. More to the point though, it's one of the things I've asked people to do on my massive to-do list. GW:REDIRECT -> a redirect is to help people searching for certain page. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Smilies
I'm planning on uploading some smilie pictures, and was wondering if anyone would oppose to me putting in templates (EG = . Is anyone oppose to that? &mdash; Warw/Wick 13:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral, but make sure they're not bigger then 19 pixels in height... &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 13:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Smilies are teh funni!!11!one!1...I mean, Support--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 13:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you did that, you would want to use a substitution. I'm hesitant because I'm afraid it would be                                        extra unnecessary stuff on a page. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥  15:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They're going to be about the size of a GWW sig image (19x19). &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please don't turn wiki talk pages into MSN chat rooms. :( What's wrong with these -> :) :/ : :´( etc -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 16:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * O_O--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (<B><font color="Blue">Talk </B>/<font color="Green"><B>Contribs</B> ) 16:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to use a user-template to encapsulate the images. I would be hesitant to having them be in the actual template namespaces though. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What Pan said. Although if it becomes, that is totally more clumsy than :) and I don't know who would use such a thing. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to provide correct attribution information. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 05:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Entro, on user talkpages it's possible to shorten things to wich might make it worth using (and then it breaks on archives). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Part of the main idea of making it work was having it in mainspace.. I suppose people COULD redirect special:mypage/emoticons to User:Warwick/emoticons, then we could use some #ifeq coding? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 07:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you are going to do the redirects anywyas, just copy the plain wikicode. What's the point of using if-logic there? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If we use if-logic they only have to redirect one thing, and it'll end up as, which will be happy face.. if you see what I mean? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 07:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I see now. Still, that means whoever uses it need to remember your syntax.  Why in the world does a single colon get to be a happy face?  etc etc.  and if it's any longer you might as well remember what the image names were o_O""" -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 08:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It isn't a single colon, its :) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 08:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I (or someone else) could probably write a .js script that adds an emote button to the toolbar, and clicking the button would bring up a menu that displays all the pictures you can choose from. Then, anyone who wants the emotes can import the script into their monobook.js page. Might be a little cleaner, and no one would have to remember anything except that clicking the smiley button on the toolbar lets them add smilies.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 21:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Quoting myself: "Please don't turn wiki talk pages into MSN chat rooms." If someone does this, then every conversation is full of smilies. Who want's that? -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 21:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have a smiley addiction, don't feed it please. [[Image:Thoughtful-new-sig.jpg]] Thoughtful 21:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's kept in the userspace and the .js additions are not sitewide. Then I'm not sure what the harm is. Spam is easy enough to ignore anyways. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 03:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

An outlet for creativity and humor
This all started with my random musings of what to do for April Fools 2009, something to do with Lyssa and Illusion, then the train of thought splitted and grew and merged and evolved... until it's no longer about April Fools.

Summary: Create a new namespace, the "Lyssian Archives" (abbreviated "LA"), that allows all forms of collaborative creative writing that is in-universe with the Guild Wars world. Examples include:
 * Parody (models: Uncyclopedia, Unnews etc)
 * Fan Fiction
 * Made-up skills/items (must be in-universe, so things like Lyssa's Cookie of Bemusement won't belong due to out-of-universe references)

Basic rules:
 * Should be in-universe.
 * Should allow everyone to collaboratively edit/evolve it.

You can always keep/fork a version in your own userspace.

Unrealistic and Completely Intolerable Server Side Lag
So far, after being merged into the Wikia namespace, I have only seen 2 things really happen.
 * 1) We get new skins, and all the problems associated with that.
 * 2) We have ridiculous and completely uncontrollable lag.

It is taking upwards of 4-5 minutes to load 1 page, 1 freaking page!

Just thought I'd rant and share this with everyone. Please tell me that something is being worked on to fix this issue. -- <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  00:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * zomg agree b4 the change I could do anything so quickly now i have to sit and wait ._. <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 00:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * /agree. Lynch Wikia <font color="#FF44AA">♥ <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="turquoise">Mis <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="orange">fate <font color="#FF44AA">♥ 00:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it was just me Zulu Inuoe 00:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * *reads Misfate's comment then falls on the floor and dies of laughter* -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8 (T / C)  00:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm using Unyielding Aura on Isk8! <font color="#FF44AA">♥ <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="turquoise">Mis <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="orange">fate <font color="#FF44AA">♥ 00:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikia used Distracting Shot!  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 00:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * GuildWiki Community is using Base Defense on Wikia! <font color="#FF44AA">♥ <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="turquoise">Mis <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="orange">fate <font color="#FF44AA">♥ 00:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding another problem I've noticed, when I lag, sometimes all the images in the site degenerate to plain-text form of wikicode --Powersurge360 00:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Haven't experienced that. <font color="#FF44AA">♥ <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="turquoise">Mis <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="orange">fate <font color="#FF44AA">♥ 00:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get a screenshot next time I see it happen. --Powersurge360 00:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, THIS IS RIDICULOUS! We already have current members saying that they aren't going to tolerate this and go to the official wiki... I don't think new people will put up with this lag either. How can you run a company and an online community if you can't even have your servers able to meet the bandwidth?! Get with the program Wikia!! -- <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  02:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems to have cleared up for me now. Though I think it was still laggy when you posted eight minutes ago :P  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 02:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah its like 1-3 seconds slower still but not 5 mins to load my own talk page >< <font color ="#73C2FB" size="3px" face ="mistral">Lost-Blue 02:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems to be acting in spurts... 1 minute its fine, the next its 2 minutes to load a page. And now we have vandals taking advantage of this.  Its difficult to undo changes when your page takes 2 minutes to load. -- [[Image:Isk8.png]] <font face="comic sans ms" color="maroon">Sk8  (T / C)  02:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess you weren't around when we were having this sort of lag under Gravewit's idiocrisy. So personally I am not hugely bothered; I have learned to put up with some lag. When it gets so bad that I time out, though...well, that is a problem. I have to /agree that it definitely seems to come and go at random patterns though. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We were having some problems with our caching servers, but most of those seem to be resolved now. I'm sorry about the headaches, but please let me know if you continue to have problems. --KyleH (talk) 20:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

It's a lot better now, but I'm still having some moments where it will take around a minute for a page to load. This happens about once every 10-15 minutes, otherwise the wiki is responding nicely. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 16:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I was unable to open the site once yesterday... -- [[Image:User Gem sig.png|Gem]] (gem / talk) 17:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The wiki briefly crashed at least twice yesterday. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 16:05, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

input welcome on possible upcoming policy proposal
I'm currently working on a policy regarding archiving and user talk pages. I would welcome any and all input on this matter on this. Here is the page. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OMG, so many policies, this is turning into GWW! Quick, call Warwick!11!!!1!!!!one!1!!!omg!!!1!!one!!!1[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 06:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The typical Guild Wars policy forming process is:
 * One user's consistent behavior creates an issue that requires systematic solution
 * Policy gets written (that isn't targeted at the user per-se, but is targeted at the behavior).
 * For example, GW:1RV was because of Karlos, GW:SIGN was because of me. Some of the more recent policies were made into policies just because some younger kids think they should be formalized...  It's quite ironic to see Warwick take us one step closer to GWW. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * GReat observation, this is actually an anti-May policy. Go Jedi![[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 06:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Or rather, it's a policy aimed at preventing the behavior that Warwick is prone to display. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 06:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not anti-May. It's anti-consistent-long-term-behavioral-pattern-of-Warwick-that-is-causing-problems-with-the-community-on-several-occasions-and-will-continue-to-do-so-if-not-addressed.  Or what Felix said (edit conflict -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's all about the fear of banning. GuildWiki is a discretiocracy, no need for to the bone policies, just call Auron.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 06:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the magnitude/extent of Auron's actions. Having some policies in place can help in a preventative matter against future problems.  For example, if my version of stuff gets passed, and we go back in time to implement the policy, Auron couldn't really ban Warwick anymore (without other sysops rightfully unbanning Warwick). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:32, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but did you just say you have a policy proposal for time travel? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 06:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Further more, he'll use it to go back in time and fix Auron's mistakes (they are not many anyway).[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 06:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * POTENTIAL PARADOX OMG? /offtopic. [[Image:Maui_sig.png]] 06:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You are misunderstanding. I have a policy proposal. I can time travel. I don't have a policy proposal for time travel. I use the ability with great discretion so it never becomes problematic enough to need a policy proposal to govern it. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of someone...George W. something...[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 06:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * W. is for Washington. Don't forget it next time. d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 06:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * George Washington time traveled? Woot, that explains the ending of Planet of the Apes![[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 06:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Special:Wantedpages
any build pages on wantedpages will be replaced with links to the pvx site. If no-one opposes this in the next 30 minutes, I'm going along with it. &mdash; Warw/Wick 14:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Because 30 minutes, on a wiki, is plenty of time for people around the world to discuss their point of view. -- Brains12 \ Talk 15:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "If no-one raises an objection". &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know wich are the corresponding builds? I can help.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just going into bot mode if I do this- Aka, click, paste, save, rinse, repeat. ;). Planning on somthing like The Pvxwiki page. :) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Dr Ishmael is going to run a bot for that (twice, see his talk) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 15:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you think I'll be running? Seriously, viper- Would I have the patience to do all xxxxx builds in wantedpages? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Then it won't work, they have different names now, just tell me how to make an external linking redirect and I'll start doing it.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You cant. This is what I was planning on doing:

This article was removed during the Builds Wipe. Please see the Builds wipe for information about the Builds Wipe. For builds, please see PvXWiki &mdash; Warw/Wick 15:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it now, we have no choice but to bot through it.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * WAIT! how about a bot run for every build? changing the link into an external one to the actual build in PvX?[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh. Ish is just gonna get a bot to direct to the pvx main page. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 15:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This can be done way better, why not doing it?[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * @May, 30 minutes is barely time for anyone to oppose. For example, I may oppose, but since I was off eating lunch, I didn't have a chance to say anything because of the miniscule time frame you gave.
 * (@ conversation)I think the problem with changing the builds to the page they correspond to is that various nerfs/buffs have taken place since the builds wipe, I'll bet most of those builds aren't anywhere near effective since then (and if so, no corresponding page exists). Or, even if none of the skills have been changed, the page may just not be on PvX anyway. I think a link to the PvX main page would work the best. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  19:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. I think they should all simply be un-linked, pure and simple. That's what I do with other types of talk page links that are no longer valid. Anyone bothered enough to dig up build links from talk/userpages should be able to easily find the PvXWiki link from our main page and the Build article. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 19:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Just write a bot to remove the ... encapsulation from all instances of the build links, plain and simple. "It used to exist, now if you can remember what the name referenced, good for you, if not, don't ask."  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg]] 20:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Bosses
I'm going to start up a project to give a category to every boss (Category:Bosses). Since as I've seen, a lot of people like having time to think about it, I'll begin at 10:10 AM EST (3:10 GMT), unless there is any opposition to this. &mdash; Warw/Wick 20:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean. Are you just saying you are gonna properly categorize all bosses under Category:Bosses, or are you saying you are going to create a new category for each in every single boss inside Category:Bosses? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Both. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What's the purposes of the new categories for each boss? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What I mean is I'm going to categorize all bosses into 1 category. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 20:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Then don't say "Both" o_O""" -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I have a better (but equally time consuming) idea. Add auto-categorization to Template:BeastInfo. For everything: Boss, Species, Profession and combinations of those. (the extra work would be removing manual categories from boss pages). &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 21:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, and make the box glow if it's a boss o_O (please use Template:BeastInfo/draft to propose any changes) -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The templates for monsters and bosses are the same. So the bosses wouldn't work. Species isn't always the same as the category type (Summit Giant Herder, for example]]). And I guess the profession part would work, if someone who knows what they're doing would set it up. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 22:05, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If someone would be winning and had enough time on his hands he could add some extra parameters, like Boss = yes, and something like a "sub-species". It's work one way or the other. I don't edit monster pager at all, so I don't care ^^; &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 22:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You need to give at least a full day, two would be even better, for everyone to have a chance to comment on stuff like this. Not everyone is on at the same time (we are a global community), and a lot of non-admin people don't check the wiki every day. &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 03:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Template:Boss_info? I'll get to work on it. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png|Hello]] Warw/Wick 14:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read the section right below here... -_- PanSola is proposing to update the existing BeastInfobox to include boss info.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 15:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * After a talk with JediRouge and May, the category is currently being removed from all the pages May (and I - who for RC spam curving reasons tried to help out) edited <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  19:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

BeastInfobox system revamp
Proposal: turn it semi-similar to how the skill system works, so that non-creature articles that talk about creatures can easily provide more information (that don't need to be synced).


 * Stuff we'll want to keep track about all Creatures
 * Everything currently in Beastinfobox
 * If it's Ally, Enemy, or Other (there are some you cannot attack and cannot heal)
 * If it's boss or not
 * A list of locations appears in
 * Skill Bar (separate entries for Normal mode vs Hard mode)

Articles about locations can then pull the monster's data (in either a table-row format or a bullet-list format, or something else) easily. And other types of articles may create custom formatting templates for their usage too.

-User:PanSola (talk to the ) 22:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Good idea - potentially a whole lot of work, but potentially extremely useful. Some of the work could be handled by a bot - taking any existing categories/skillbars and turning them into parameters in the existing BeastInfobox, then taking the box and moving it to a subpage.  This is obviously one of your "troublemaker" ideas that will require 7-14 days of discussion first. ^_~ &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 04:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

New Effect box template
Somewhat related to the BeastInfobox revamp, I would like to propose adding an "Effect box" template to all Effects. This will be similar to the Skill box template, except it would, obviously, provide different info other than full/concise descriptions.


 * Info we'll want to keep track of on all Effects:
 * Type (see subcats of Category:Effects)
 * Campaign
 * Location, for localized effects (e.g. Realm of Torment explorable effects)
 * Consumable or Bundle item, for effects granted by items
 * Faction or god that grants it, for Blessings/Bounties

Unless anyone wants to make QRs for effects, I don't see any need to export this to subpages, like we have for skills. Also, for Consumables effects, one idea I had is to include the effect on the item's page, like I've done for Drake Kabob. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 04:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Category:Effects makes sure this page isnt added to the "effects" category. Note the first colon. Changed it for you :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 10:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Bah! :P But do you have any comments about it?  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 14:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. So long as it wouldn't get in the way of any other page layouts we use on those pages, right? All we have currently is a little image of the effect icon, which isn't much. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  14:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Muahahaha, you're gonna get in some serious trouble with this...[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 15:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Remember the page "Titans get plus health regen and set enemies on fire each time he is hit"?
I found on the official Wiki. Poke found it in the gw.dat file, and modded it into a skill bar. Respective [http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Titans_get_plus_Health_regen_and_set_enemies_on_fire_each_time_he_is_hit. pages]. This is also linked from the Titans blahblah page. Found it rather interesting, perhaps have some mention of it? --- -- (s)talkpage 05:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I found those (and about a hundred more like them) when I parsed out the unicode files in gw.dat to get the concise descriptions for monster skills and effects. BAMPH!! is in there (desc: BAMPH!!), along with:
 * "Fake Spell": Fake spell just to show casting animation and maybe effects.
 * "Rurik Must Live": Buff placed on Rurik that prevents him from dying for 5 minutes. (I don't think this one ever worked as intended >.>)
 * "Summoning of the Scepter": The Margonite utters words in an ancient tongue, and the ground beneath him begins to shiver and crack. (probably used for The Cold Touch of the Past)
 * "Exposed Underbelly": While on your side, you take +X damage when you take damage, where X is twice your level. (Siege Turtle)
 * Those are a few of the highlights. If anyone wants, I can post the complete list.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 05:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is one of the reasons that monsters don't have a full skill bar. Some slots are occupied by these buffs. We could make pages for these skills, but... &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 11:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The Margonite Paragons (stupid names they have>.> ) in the DoA have 9 skills, so I think they buffed Nightfall-and-further monsters with a greater skillbar :) But I oculd see this as being the reason Proph/Factions monsters have so little (and mediocre) skills. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage 12:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Margonite Anur Runds have 7 skills, including Enraged :o And I heard Gaile or some other developer say a long time ago, that some special monster buffs have to occupy a skill slot. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 16:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)