Talk:Grasping Ghoul

Crippling Attack
Is it really "Grippling Attack" (with a g)? I assume that's typo and it is "Crippling Attack" (with a c). We should list that as a Monster skill. --Tetris L 23:21, 5 Sep 2005 (EST)

Crippling Attack! Actually all they do is cripple you, die and explode--Ollj 13:04, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Other Ghouls?
I wonder if Ghoul is a species. They have their own Collector Item Ghoul's Collar, which according to ANet's system, implies that Ghoul is a species. Also, the fact that the Grasping Ghoul has that Grasping name prefix implies to me that there are other Ghouls. Has anybody ever come across an other Ghoul type? Are there any Ghouls in UW/FoW that I missed? The Prima guide lists a "Fallen Ghoul". Anybody spotted one of those? --Tetris L 07:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * According to this guide the "Fallen Ghouls" used to be part of the initial phase of the Tombs. The part that is nowadays Defeating the Unworthy. Looks like this part has changed at some point during beta, and the Fallen Ghould has been removed from the game? --Tetris L 09:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The change occured AFTER the game was released, not during beta. I'd say Ghoul is a species, currently with only one type in the game (the other type got removed).  -PanSola 09:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I don't think they take double damage from Holy, which would rule Ghoul out as being a sub-species of Undead. Not completely sure, but that's my recollection. -PanSola 09:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm almost 100% sure Ghouls are undead, i.e. they do take double damage from holy dmg. They drop Decayed Orr Emblems (which is caracteristic for undead) and they are part of the undead plague that terrorizes Kryta. I'll test it tonight with my Monk. --Tetris L 10:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


 * What are you gus talking about?! :)
 * Ghoul are undead obviously, and yes they take double damage from Banish.
 * Ghouls are not a species simply because they drop a salvage item. Who made that system? Obviously not Arena Net, because there are "Arcanist Wrappings" which obviously do not make Forgotten Arcanists into a species by themselves. --Karlos 10:54, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

My mistake. /me slaps his forehead. Ghoul's Collars are Salvage Items, not Collectible's. Salvage Items (unlike Collectibles) are no indication for a species. One thing is for sure: There are several sub-species among the Undead. I think we should do some organized testing in order to pin down the categories. Testing according the following criteria:
 * 1) What Collectibles are dropped? Decayed Orr Emblems, Skeletal Limbs or something else?
 * 2) What Crafting Materials are dropped? (Skeletons drop Bones, whereas some other Undead don't)
 * 3) Do they have flesh? Do they bleed? (Skeletons and Ghosts don't, whereas Ghouls and Zombies do)
 * 4) Do they leave a corpse? (Skeletons and Ghosts don't, whereas Ghouls and Zombies do (to be confirmed) )
 * 5) ... more to be added (general appearance and behaviour) ...


 * Another question to ask is: If they leave a corpse, can it be exploited? I seem to recall that the undead in pre-searing, Raging Cadavers and... I can't remember the other one, that left corpses but I couldn't exploit them with my necro.  --Rainith 12:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ghouls and Zombies do leave corpses that can be exploited. I just test again. But Raging Cadavers are Skeletons, and Skeletons don't leave any exploitable corpses behind. --Tetris L 16:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)