User talk:Tetris L

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Sir! Movement in the trees!
This and this are all I use anymore, I don't even bother bookmarking the main page. ;p

Stay!
'bout all I got to say on that subject! =D --Nunix 16:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Please show some respect
What is the problem exactly? A few days ago you go into this tirade about how I'm in one of my "I'm right and the whole world is wrong" tirades as if I'm your wife or something. Today you "resist the urge" twice to make fun of me. What is wrong with you? Do you think this is an appropriate way to carry out discussions and contribute in this wiki?

Think of me what you will and form your own theories and analysis of my person, I frankly could try and care less, but it would be impossible. But when it comes to dealing with me in this wiki, I expect you to treat me with the same professional respect you offer any co-worker at a work place. While you may make snide remarks about them behind their backs at the water-cooler, you certainly would not keep assaulting their person repeatedly in public and hope to get away with it.

I have differed with you on many issues. Yet never have I belittled you or "fought the urge" the make fun of you or made psychological analysis of what is wrong with you. I do not do this because I fear you or love you, I do not know you even. I do it because it is your right upon me as a human and because it is the only way this wiki can remain industrious and productive.

If you continue this campaign of ridicule then I will ask the admins to ban you, Tetris. And if my request is denied then I shall leave. I do not need this. I do this for fun and exploration, not to form cyber enemies I don't even know. I hope you will reconsider your present course of action. --Karlos 05:19, 4 November 2005 (EST)


 * I think I have already explained at length on many occasions what my problem with your action is, but here we go again ...


 * I found it hard to resist to make a remark because the Leaver discussion was a near perfect example of what has happened so often in the past: You edit somebody's contribution claiming that it's "subjective" or even "complete conjecture" and replace it with your own opinion instead, which is just as subjective and arguable. But you're so convinced of yourself that you take your opinion as definite and try to shut down people who don't agree. And the fact that you even admitted that you "place a lot of stock in [your] experience" was the cherry on top. (Even though it was a bit of an understatement.)


 * You have never "made psychological analysis of what is wrong with [me]" or "belittled" me?? For one of many examples, how about this one? I'm referring to the "You're convinced that this is all about you ..." part. Read through that whole talk again, and ask yourself: If roles were reversed, would you consider your remarks as "respectful"?


 * Sorry, as long as you delete other people's contributions (not just mine) as arbitrary as you've done and as long as you're not willing to accept that your own opinion is just as questionable as anyone else's, I will keep criticizing your action, openly and with sarcastic remarks too, if I find it reasonable.


 * I say what I say openly, not behind your back. It's not like I log off to make snide remarks under an anonymous IP or something. I don't even have to hide behind my nickname. I would say the very same things when we sit face to face. If you want to, we can get on voicecom to talk.


 * If you have to, go ahead and ask for me to be banned. I have always enjoyed contributing to this Wiki and I will continue to do so as long as I'm welcome. But if the majority of people here (admins or community) think that I'm a troublemaker and that I should leave, I will do so immediately. I won't bÃ­tch and whine for a second. I've been a regular on internet forums long enough to know that it's not worth any personal drama. This is just the internet after all, and this is just a Wiki about a game.


 * One last thing: I'm not your enemy. Several time you told me that I'm taking things too personal. Now it's you who is taking things far too personal. Making an enemy over something as unimportant as a computer game or a wiki would be ridiculous. --Tetris L 17:02, 4 November 2005 (EST)


 * Read the example you provided, read the "get off my back" statement you said and you'll see my response was very respectable. I was telling you that I am not on your back and should not be on your back because the discussion was never about you. You're the one who said it was about you, not I.
 * I did not say you are saying anything behind my back. Read the example I gave again.
 * I believe I have made my position very clear. As I said, you are absolutely entitled to your own theories about how and why I make eidts in the wiki. That being said, I ask that you stop making personal comments about my person in a public forum. You have now responded that you will not stop. The ball is now in your court. You can choose to respect my rights in this matter, or you can go ahead and continue to insult me with the likely outcome that the wiki will lose one of us (and most likely myself). Your move. --Karlos 18:26, 4 November 2005 (EST)
 * I did reconsider. I'm too tired of this crap, and wasted far too much valuable time with it already. The next time we have a serious clash - and I'm afraight it's just a matter of time - I'm off. When it's gonna happen is up to you as much as it's up to me, and you know it. This is my last reply in this thread. --Tetris L 21:07, 5 November 2005 (EST)

Minor Correction
I'm assuming (uh oh) that you made the image image:MissionSequence.jpg, or perhaps you just uploaded it ... either way, I think that should be "Hell's Precipice" instead of "Hell's Precicise". Nothing major, but I can't make the correction myself since it's an image ... and my photoshop ability is limited to cropping and drawing stick figures ^_^ Geblah187 11:30, 5 November 2005 (EST)


 * Fixed. --Karlos 11:44, 5 November 2005 (EST)


 * Thx for fixing it, Karlos. Having looked at that crappy image again, I decided to make a new version. I actually made the current version with Paintbrush, a.k.a. "the stick figure drawing tool", and when converting it to JPG it got illegible. Meanwhile I've gotten used to a little more advanced graphics programs, so I may be able to create something that looks halfway decent. --Tetris L 20:36, 5 November 2005 (EST)

Item Categories
Thumbs up for all the work. The recent changes are flooded ;-) --Xeeron 07:23, 8 November 2005 (EST)
 * Spamming recent changes is unavoidable when on a crusade. Ask Rainith. ;) But ... I'm almost done now. --Tetris L 07:28, 8 November 2005 (EST)

Collectable Item sub categories
I left you a question here, please let me know what you think. --Karlos 01:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Replied. --Tetris L 05:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Diessa Lowlands Map
Hey did you ever upload the map for Diessa Lowlands? You updated the entry, but I don't see the map anywhere. I can see how working on those would be tough, but if you can get that one up at least the entry will make a little more sense. :) --Rainith 01:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll have to check at home. I'm 99% sure that I completed the map. Maybe it is one of the images that got borked when we upgraded to WikiMedia 1.5? Or has it never been uploaded? I may have goofed. --Tetris L 02:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it was ever uploaded, the filename shows in red on the page, the images that got borked show no filenames (at least on my browser). --Rainith 02:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Taking a break?
You're a valuable contributer, and losing one of those does matter. It is a shame for the wiki that you want to leave. See you. Shandy 05:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Tetris L, you're one of the most productive editors we've had here at the GuildWiki, and I for one am sorry to see you go. I know you've had more than your share of arguments here, and I'm gonna add one more: a single contributor or admin staying or leaving does matter. In any case, I hope you're enjoying whatever you're doing these days, and I think it'd be great if you came back, should the feeling strike you. &mdash;Tanaric 16:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I haven't been around long enough to totally grok the epic Tetris L/Karlos battle, nor do I care to poke my nose in it, but I think you've made the right decision to walk away for the time being. There is no reason to pour your life into something that isn't fun. Anyway, if and when you come back, I am sure you'll find the face of the wiki completely changed. Guild Wars will not be the same game it is today. Karlos won't be the same man he is today. I might no longer be around. If I don't see you here again, let me just say that I hope you found something to do that gives you joy instead of grief. Wherever we end up, I am sure the eternal message of Guild Wars ("don't aggro too many mobs and take some self heals") will guide us to the right path. So long! 05:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Judging from the edit that Karlos made to his user page yesterday ("I am a former contributor and admin on this wiki ...") it looks like it's him who left now. I assume, because of the debate about the IE pop-up, and Gravewit's harsh reply. Whatever reason Karlos had for his move, and regardless if he left temporary or for good, in any case this allows me to end my own GuildWiki break. I'm back, officially. (Off course I've been lurking over the past few weeks. ;)) -- 04:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, welcome back! Officially. ;) &mdash;Tanaric 00:25, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm ... not sure how long it will last. :( Karlos is back now, discussing the IE pop-up incident. If the matter is resolved to his satisfaction and he decides to stay, I'll retreat. -- 07:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

To whom it may concern
Disclaimer: I really don't know where to put this. I want to explain something to the community rather than adress Karlos himself, so it seems misplaced on Karlos' talk page. But this matter concerns Karlos more than anyone else, and I want him to know, so I decided to post it here instead of "going cheerleading" on my own talk page or some other page.

Anybody who has been following the discussion for a while knows that me and Karlos have got issues. We've tried to get along, but it doesn't seem to work out. In the end it came down to a "either you or me" decision, and I made room. Then it was Karlos who "left" (for reasons that have nothing to do with me), so I came back. Now he is back again, and I gotta decide again if I go back into hibernation.

I made up my mind, and decided that I won't abandon this wiki easily. I care about it, I have put countless hours of work into it, and except for the fights with Karlos, I enjoy contributing here. I'm not willing to let one person spoil all that for me.

Karlos has threatened repeatedly to ask for me to be banned for offending him. Despite that threat, I am not going to treat him with kid gloves. In the past I tried to be as moderate as I could be while still saying what I felt had to be said. In future I'll try to avoid personal discussion with Karlos as much as possible, but if I absolutely must, I'll make my point clear, maybe even clearer than in the past. If Karlos feels that my criticism of his actions is personal offense and if he feels that I should be banned for it and appeals to the community or the admins, then so be it. Like I already said before: If the community (i.e. a majority of admins and contributors) thinks that I'm a troublemaker and that I deserve a ban, I will accept that and leave for good.

I'm still trying to think of a way that allows me and Karlos to come to a cease-fire agreement. Unfortunatly there is no "ignore" feature included with WikiMedia. ;) You can't be part of a wiki without participating in discussions. I could try to stay out of heated discussions with Karlos, but repeated reverts would probably force me back in. I don't know what's going to happen in case of another dispute in future. Hopefully somebody will step in as the voice of reason and concilate. -- 05:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This belongs on your talk page, not mine. You imposed that "it's either me or you" rule, you applied it, you broke it. I don't care one way or the other. But, since it is you telling the community that you are back, then it either belongs on your talk page, or the community portal or something.
 * As for your decision to come back, I never thought you should leave. Never could comprehend your "ultimatium." Now that you are back, I will ask the other admins to evaluate your behavior. --Karlos 05:46, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't mind to have this discussion here (or somewhere else) instead of your talk page, as long as you're aware of it. I put it on your talk page mostly to avoid the impression that I slander about you behind your back. If you prefer it here, fine for me.
 * I welcome your intention to "get [my] behaviour evaluated" (nice euphemism for "get banned" :)). It was gonna happen sooner or later anyway, so we might as well get this out of the way quickly. -- 06:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Users are only banned when they harm the wiki. You have not done so.  That said, I think that, at least recently, you've been acting a little childishly.  Not a big deal.  My advice is this: the less you bring up the "I don't like Karlos" thing, the less often the rest of us have to deal with you bickering.


 * If I noticed Karlos needlessly fanning the flames, I'll make the same point on his talk page. I've tried to stay out of these sorts of thing, but I'm willing to involve myself now, as I'd like you both to continue contributing. &mdash;Tanaric 17:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)