GuildWiki talk:Admin criteria

Question: is this meant as a "be all and end all" or is it merely the equivalent of a WikiEssay? *Defiant Elements*  +talk  18:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be in favor of making some sort of "official" page if enough other people add their opinions. --Macros 18:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, obviously this is great, but its never going to be implemented as official criteria of any kind, so - why bother :S--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (Talk /Contribs ) 18:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't it? --Macros 18:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * In a wiki where admins can be appointed on the basis of being friends with the bureaucrat, even in the face of massive community opposition, under the pretext that "Hes a great editor on another wiki.....no really, i just cant reveal his username, but srsly, great contributor" why the hell would the people with the power to select admins want to have their powers limited to appointing only appropriate candidates?--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (Talk /Contribs ) 18:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's a really crappy (not to mention biased) way of summarizing the multiple walls of text Auron wrote in defense of his promotion of Phalanage. Poisoning the well is bad.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  18:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cobalt's words may not be pleasant to your eyes, but they are indeed true. Some people value honesty more than sophistry. ;D [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 18:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

As to defining what makes a good admin, if you intend this as anything other than a WikiEssay, it's a horrendous idea. Yes, there are general things you look for in an Admin, but trying to take a list of "objective" criteria and apply them to every candidate and then basing decisions on that set list of criteria is a crappy idea. They're indicators at best. Besides, there's no one "template" or "definition" which can ever hope to define a good admin properly and not everyone is gonna agree on whether candidate X fits that template anyway, so what's the point? Not to mention the fact that something is always lost in the attempt to write something down in an unqualified fashion. I also don't like the implication that it's intended to make the decision for the Bureaucrats. That said, if you're just trying to get down some thoughts on various things people should take into account (among others), I don't have a problem with it. *Defiant Elements*  +talk  18:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If consensus between at least 2 Bcrats was required before a decision was made, there would be no problem - seems simple enough to me. Also, indent moar plz--[[Image:Cobalt6.jpg|50x19px]] - (Talk /Contribs</B> ) 18:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Meh. I'm considering that possibility (see User:Defiant Elements/RFA). It wouldn't solve this particular problem though. Telling all three Bureaucrats the precise criteria upon which Sysops are promoted, then telling them whether a Sysop has those qualities, and then using that as a justification for essentially forcing a Bureaucrat to promote (or at least, that's the feeling I'm getting) is no different than telling one.  [[Image:DE Sig Test 2.jpg|50x19px]]  *Defiant Elements*   +talk  18:39, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * DE, would you please /&%$/&$ing read what I write? "This is a list of criteria that help discussing admin candidates. It is NOT a list you check off to get a candate score. It is there to give people an idea what to write in their RfA opinions. That is what help discussing means. These are the points that a bureaucrat must weigh in his mind clearly means that the Bureaucrat decides, not the public; the public through well-reasoned argument helps the Bureaucrat come to a decision that ultimately benefits the community, but the Bureaucrat is the one doing the weighing.


 * Seriously, I am quite worked up atm because you so completely build my writing into a straw man that I start to suspect you want to misunderstand me - for whatever reason. I sincereyl hope that this is not the case. --◄mendel► 18:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)