User talk:Warwick/Archive 51

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This talkpage was last archived on 16:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC) (Not counting the previous archive, which was archived on 11:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)). I havn't had any much spam for ages. Yaay. I guess I'm no spammer anymore. I guess that's also a good thing for my rfa :P. &mdash; Warw/Wick 11:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Poll: Do you find my talkpage annoying? (No poll tags because no-one can vote. Sign under the Y/N.)

No:

 * 1) --◄mendel► 12:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) I've seen worse. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]--  (s)talkpage  14:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) hidden toc pisses me off and the massive amount of space the header takes up, but it's not too much to ignore it and give my scroll key a little spin so yeah. &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 23:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) It's no more annoying than Warwick herself. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 00:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and also..
Woo, 50 archives. :P. &mdash; Warw/Wick 11:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop eating up our bandwidth!--Agent 23-Gigathrash 23:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I will not. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 12:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

...
Another example of why I don't trust you. Unban me. --Shadowcrest 22:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You can unban yourself, silly. :P. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 22:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I can unban myself on wiki too. Difference? I think not. --Shadowcrest  22:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That reminds me of a few funny stories. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, what is this section about anyways. I'm confused. Clearly it's not a Wiki ban and so why is the subject brought up here? (T/C) 22:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * IRC, and Shadowcrest has no other way of contacting Warwick. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 22:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oic. Obviously Warwick can't be trusted with adminship on IRC! But wait, IRC is not GuildWiki. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 22:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not, but it still reinforces my distrust of warwick in an administrative position. Kickbanning people from IRC is a hobby of hers. --Shadowcrest  23:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, in that case it tells me RT shouldn't be a bureaucrat here. :] [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (later) Does it? Random Time  15:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I only kb people when they threaten to do so to me :<. It's called self-defence! :< &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 23:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So you would ban users who threaten to ban you? Hrm. --Shadowcrest  23:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If Shadowcrest doesn't know how to /msg Warwick on irc, that ought to be a reason not to trust SC with ops on irc... and anyway, Warwick, you weren't threatened by anyone who actually had the power to follow up on the threat. --◄mendel► 23:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought you got rt to op jio? :\ &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 23:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Jio is supposed to be IRC opped. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mendel's yelling at me on irc about this :< &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I was too blunt, then - didn't mean to come across as yelling, more of a debriefing. --◄mendel► 12:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mendel deals blunt damage. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 12:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 19-35 [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 14:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay, Entropy got the reference! &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 14:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I was around when that reference was created. I don't think you were even on Wiki yet. :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Warwick Leah --- 1 minute
fgt :P --- -- (s)talkpage  15:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ?? Random Time  15:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Watimonline &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Try this Random Time  15:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

warw wants to add you to his Buddy list
Ahh sexism, where would we be without you? Random Time  22:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * we would be 602% more advanced, and women would rule the world. In other news: Damn, wtf? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 22:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, they could have used "their" Random Time  08:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Should've used the gender of the current avatar. --◄mendel► 09:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Danika zu Heltzer wants to add you to his Buddy list - no problems there [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 10:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mendel: there are no avatars, it's tribal wars! (Warw and I play on World 22 and 21) Random <font color="Black">Time  11:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You stopped playing 25? I'm on 26, 25, 22 and 21. :) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Shock Axe
lolFrosty. Innovation O imho; how can a three-year old build be innovative? :O --- -- (s)talkpage  11:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * FrostyIsDum &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Mind Shock Warrior - now that's innovative. (Or Star Burst, big domages!) [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 16:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Star Burst warrior isn't innovative anymore, I've been running that for ages. --[[Image:Progger.png]] - talk 17:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That was a joke, but I keep forgetting most of you weren't around for the build days. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 17:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * +30/-2 staff, all radiant, Attune and Mind Shock the Monk for l338 KD and damage, then use Lacerating Chop to make your foes bleed. Combine with Gash to inflict a Deep Wound, lowering your target's health by 20%. Use Hammer Bash for another KD, and then use Power Attack to finish the target off. (Ironically, that might kill if it weren't for the attribute spread :P ).
 * So anyways, Starburst warriors pop up scarily often on PvX from time to time :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  17:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "Fear Me!" etc. W/E Starburst Warrior was a famous build in the days of the Builds namespace; it was like the "last straw" for Builds Wipe. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
But you knew it was going to happen anyway. (T/C) 23:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I am sorry, too. I believe, however, that this was your best RfA to date. --◄mendel► 00:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * meh. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 01:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Go, leave, we don't want you here.
And don't come back.--<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 03:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Come back
Please? (T/C) 19:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Kind of ironic that the above section is telling me to go away. :P. Hi Entropy! You'll probably be seeing less of me from now, but I'm still gonna be here. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not totally sure whether or not I should come back. I hadn't looked at the wiki at all purposely, then I saw all this drama llama stuff. Kind of down-putting when you read stuff that you didn't even realize was that. :( &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed your userpage :) It came kinda like a shock to me too. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  19:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well it seemed to me that you were thinking of leaving anyway, and then after I laid down the judgment on your RfA that was the deciding factor. So I wanted to ask you back because I hadn't known you were planning on leaving again, and that wasn't my intention at all. :( [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 19:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was considering leaving. I'd like to nominate User:Felix Omni once again for admin. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah well. If you would log on to GW sometime later today (like 9:00 and on) I'd still like to talk to you about that.
 * Oh and I don't think Felix would accept, even if he does seem like logical candidate. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm online right now, anyway. Talking to Viper. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I say 9:00+ because I've been posting from my Work-Study and I still have classes and meals etc. :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 9 my time or yours? I can probably do both, but I'll probably be only half awake at best :\ &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's currently 3:15 PM here. I don't know how much time difference it is across the pond. It would be 9:00 my time since I would probably be in class during your 9:00? If it is a bad time for you then I dunno...
 * That reminds me to go get IRC so these sorts of things aren't a problem. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * clicky, in the server (click server, a lil box will come), type in irc.gamesurge.net - channel is #gwiki. :) you can do it right now :P &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Who owns #gwiki channel now? And thanks, though I have probably a million other links people have thrown at me before too, which I was looking for :p [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Shadowcrest does now. :\ &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

D:
I was kinda hoping you wouldn't...

Small clarification, those three people were only the ones I could think of off the top of my head; I am sure there would be more. And /ragequit is about the term I used, but, I think it was more for convenience than anything else. I meant more like..."these people would be alienated", not necessarily that they'd leave the wiki. (T/C) 15:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I said I would, so I did. If you want to, feel free to delete it. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Censorship is bads. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh. It's just an expression of questioning of the system. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Try and list some other people? . I don't think Shadowcrest would be alienated, and I'll ask him. SP and Auron are already gone, so.. Do they matter? :P. Auron was alienated by mendel's prmotion, and you promoted him anyway. "Why Not?" &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a gross misinterpretation of why I promoted Mendel. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 16:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You didnt promote Mendel to alienate Auron, I know. :\ &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for summarizing that chat (which I missed), it is quite instructive to read. I already told you that I thought this was your best RfA to date; but even I didn't believe it had been that well received. I need to have more faith. --◄mendel► 00:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You what, mendel? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 11:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I Tarzan. You Jane. --◄mendel► 00:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

An Audience with Master Togo
I need to talk to you in-game about srs bsns thing. If you could get on GW sometime tomorr-err, today - that would be great. Or IRC maybe, if I can figure out how to work the "private channel" stuff. (T/C) 07:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Grabbing the opportunity to spread IRC lore to whoever is watching this page,  ought to do &mdash; you only need the private channel for a private conference of more than two people. To create this private channel, simply join a channel that doesn't exist (make up a name, maybe   ), that makes you, the founder, the channel operator. Then give it   and , that makes it hidden and invite-only. You invite people with   , and I also like to   them - that way, someone can invite me in if I disconnect. You could just make a channel and not set the mode, but then curious people could be joining and disturb you. --◄mendel► 11:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Addendum: This background color goes really well with the tags. --◄mendel► 11:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, Entropy. I'll try to be on whenever possible. Mendel, >.> &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 13:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Rolling on the floor
I have given you access to the rollback tool. You may wish to familiarize yourself with it via GW:ROLL. Feel free to start laughing too. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 06:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * /roll. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 14:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Wisdom
Has been deleted. Yours too.

On an irrelevant note, you have a ridiculous number of pages in your userspace, most of which I can't even guess what they are. o_O (T/C) 09:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to name a couple of seemingly nonsensical aricles. Really, wtf? O-o" --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  09:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Created by Maybot half a year ago, see User:M.mendel/MayBotOrphans for a complete list. They make the userpage be more linked to, but unless some webspider finds them, they don't load the wiki any. Although this is the second time since then they've been the object of talk. --◄mendel► 10:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * >.>. THEY WAS MAED 4 TESTING OMGS. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 12:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Does that mean I can delete them? [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 23:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Also
Survey says prob not because I get off school at about the same time you left for the thingy, so unless you don't have a thingy, we prob can't.--<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 21:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * On my iPod ATM. I may do may not have "thingy" tommorow, but probably so. Owell. I might be online about 6-7 am my time (11-12 yours?), if youre still online. Might be 1-2 your time though. In any case, I guess we'll have to wait till the weekend? I'll wait for you of you wait for me. :). Gonna finish up getting ready then I'm going out. Peace out ;) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 21:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll check my time v. GST.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 21:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm 7 hours behind you, so your 6-7 a.m. is my 11-12 p.m..--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 21:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought so. I'm going out the door now. If you can get on, tell me. I'll see it sooner or later. Ttyl :3 &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 22:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mean 11 mine or your time?--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 01:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

k so
This account belongs to "May". QQ about losing it, "Warwick", but it's immensely damaging to history/policy if this sort of "brother/sister" switching crap keeps going on. Last time this happened no one believed it, and no one will believe it this time either. Last time threats of bans were issued, and I repeat that threat again.

"May" and "Warwick" must have separate accounts. Else I permaban this one. Are we clear? (T/C) 01:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This morning on irc, from a user with an IP address close to or equal to Warwick's:

<mib_z6zm70>	Anyway, I'm considering playing gas agaim <mib_z6zm70>	So I'll be asking for the gwiki and gwars passwords off my sis :)
 * I don't know what to make of it. If it is just you, May, playing an irc prank on us, own up and all is forgiven. If it is really your brother, please get this sorted. I'd really hate to see your carefully accumulated reputation go down the drain again if he's posting from the same account as you (or his, as the matter may be).
 * A possible solution may be to get a new account (you'd have to kiss your editcount goodbye, but I could move all your userpages over); indeed if there is any chance of your brother guessing the password to your account or using the "lost password" function, you'd better do this ASAP. Another possible solution may be for you two to agree that May has inherited the nick "Warwick" from him and get him to use another one (dunno what ransom you'd need to pay, though).
 * One thing seems to be certain: you two people on the same account isn't going to happen ever again, one way or the other. --◄mendel► 02:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Generic Comment to be filled in later.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 04:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * .. more.. drama... -.-.. I'll talk to him when he gets up, probably in about 30~ mins. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 06:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Early May is early. --◄mendel► 09:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Long Longcat is Long. He'll be back from school in about 20~ mins, I only just got home myself. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 15:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * James made User:Warwick the Second. --◄mendel► 16:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I logged
Off at midnight.--<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 06:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry giga :(. I ultra-overslept &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 16:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're forgiven.--[[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 22:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Revert
Please use revert for obvious vandalism, if you need to explain something (like you needed to here) please use undo and provide an edit summary <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  20:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * gtfo 'k? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sysop duties, 'k? <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  20:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Policy-whore duties, imo. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reread GW:ROLL tbh. It states (multiple times) rollback is only to be used in obvious cases of vandalism. Do a manual revert next time. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 20:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wick, the stuff in GW:ROLL is serious. Please do take time to read it, thank you. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote the original draft for gwroll.. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 21:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed policy is changed. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Obv. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 21:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Don't remove delete tags until the issue is resolved, thanks. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 22:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Stuff lingering in candidates for deletion may get deleted by someone wanting to clear out the deletion and thinking they're helping. You're supposed to stay unemotional, btw. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 22:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't immediately delete, Criteria for deletion, like and such as. There's a line about now deleting immediately in the Criteria page. It'd only be deleted if someone didn't read the template, which could be construed as a misuse of delete powers. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  22:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please don't bring my name up like that, especially since I'm participating in the discussion. >.> &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 22:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Bad argument is bad. Non-admins are not allowed to remove a delete tag unless it is obviously misused (eg. vandalism). No exceptions. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks like
GWs or WoW. --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  19:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Guess where, imo. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * In the game world <3 Btw, I think GWs, Elite mission... Urgoz? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  19:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, your sig is borked here. I lold. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  19:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ya, it is. Also, its from WoW. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 19:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Are we allowed to have WoW screenshots? You used the GW screen capture license...I think it's from Guild Wars but I can't remember. The plants look familiar...you get those sort of "glowing ferns" in the deepest areas of Sorrow's Furnace, and the volcano of course looks like something you'd find in Ring of Fire Islands. Hmm [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 20:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Perplexing, 'aint it? &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like Sorrow's Furnace to me. The area with all the Dredge in it, not the mainly Dwarven section. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  20:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I can tell you it's not from SF (And WoW is not ruled out) &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 20:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
I have blocked you for repeatedly and deliberately violating GW:1RV and GW:NPA, as well as for being an ass. Honestly I think it should have been for more than 5 days considering you knew exactly what you were doing and you've been blocked in the past for these things, but I let it slide. You know this behavior is unacceptable, and I don't know if you're doing it for lulz or what, but stop. --<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 19:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Warwick
Is fat (inside joke) =) 92.43.64.73 11:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)