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Failed to mention
A while ago I added miniatures to the mainpage edit copy. But I failed to mention it here. Is this something thats useful as a shortcut? Carnelain 18:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wanted to look up a miniature the other day and noticed it still hasn't been added to the main page. Is this a bad suggestion or hasn't anyone seen it? [[image:haiku2k72_leaf_bg_white_tiny.jpg]] Carnelain 10:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems like a useful addition; I can't see any other mainpage item that I would click to find them. --mendel 11:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is under the items link but they are quite popular, so it warrants a link on the main page. I also added HoM to the list to balance the display of the two columns but it also deserves to be there as it is a big thing for many people to complete their hall. -- Xeon 13:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good call Xeon. And thanks for adding. [[image:haiku2k72_leaf_bg_white_tiny.jpg]] Carnelain 21:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Request to use Guild Wiki formatting in another wiki
Hello. I am a frequent Guild Wiki contributor. My children have recently started playing Webkinz and I have applied for the adoption of the Wikia Webkinz Wiki. The founder has abandoned the site and it needs A LOT of work. Having used Guild Wiki for the last 2 years, I have become very accustomed to your layout and would like to request use of your formatting and templates for use on the Webkinz Wiki site. Thank you. ----16:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as your wiki is licenced under CC 2.0 by-nc-sa, your fine RT | Talk  16:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The formatting stuff from the editing guide isn't "ours" - that is common to all Wikis run on the MediaWikis software. So there are no issues there. The templates, though - yeah, you'd need the same license to be able to use them easily. Otherwise you would need to obtain the permission from each of the editors that worked on those templates. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 15:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Title suggestion
It might be an idea to add the phrase "Guild Wars" to MediaWiki:Pagetitle in some fashion. Helps with search results. 82.32.40.219 19:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done, and thanks for the suggestion. (-: -07:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC) The preceding partially signed comment was added by PanSola

Hard to find
Shouldn't Challenge Mission have a link from the main page? Buzzer 05:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Simply clicking on Mission expands into more options, such as mission lists, challenge missions, and so on. Might be tough to fit Challenge Mission into the mainpage (to be fair, you would want to add Competitive Mission and so on as well). --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  05:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess that's fair enough. Don't know why I didn't think to click on Mission :/ Buzzer 06:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sometimes things right under your nose are hardest to find. :D I've lost many important items right where the belong... --[[image:GEO-logo.png]] Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> .cнаt^  07:34, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

"Beloved" CRM?
Considering Gaile had very, very few fans, I would recommend the word "beloved" be removed, since it's not exactly accurate. 20:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ORLY? RT | Talk</B>  20:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course rly, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up. Serious business. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the ingame message as well. What are they going to say, "Gaile Gray, our primarily hated CRM is leaving, let's throw a party in her honor" ? no. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Meh, need to get back into GW I think <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  20:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's something of a stretch to say that any particular ArenaNet employee is "beloved" (or hated or any other meaningful opinion) by a community that mostly knows pretty much nothing about particular employees at ArenaNet. Quizzical 03:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Game Basics and Gameplay types
Is it just me or are they now bumped down a line from "What's new" and "Guild etc."? Maybe it's been like that for a while and I haven't noticed. <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  02:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks fine to me, it's in the upper right corner like it's always been --Gimmethegepgun 02:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This is what I see. It gets all messed up when I open my bookmarks or history, but even without anything it looks off. (Image deleted) <font color=#555>Ezekiel <font color=#AAA> [Talk]  02:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Vertical spacing
Why the new vertical centering of each section, rather than the old vertical top alignment? I think having adjacent headers with one slightly above the other as in the new design looks terrible. Quizzical 03:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Refresh yoru cache, if that still doesn't work, report browser version. It is *supposed* to still be top-aligned. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:21, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It was top-aligned until the most recent pair of changes. I'm using Opera 9.27.  Quizzical 03:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Just aupgraded mine to 9.27 (was on 9.26), still looks fine to me. I think it's a cache issue on your end (Opera is notorious for caching CSS for too long). -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 03:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

guild wars 3rd birthday party is over
The guild wars 3rd birthday party was over since tuesday but hasnt been removed since then, could you please remove it. I would remove it on this edit copy but its not there. so could you delete it please Mr tim 16:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Design
I think the new design of GW Wiki with the old Main Page looks quite nasty so someone should either give the wiki template a lighter style or format the Main Page to the style template. Cause that dark background with these light boxes look ridiculous. Gelei 14:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If you go to special:preferences you can change the skin of GWiki any time you want, for as long the Database isn't locked :P I still have the old (Monobook) skin, so for me the Main Page is just fine. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  14:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * New design of GW wiki? GW Wiki would mean this, and the default skin there is the same as the guildwiki skin. What new design?--[[Image:AlariSig.png]] 16:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Zaishen Title track also?
That has also been a more than a month as of 3 days ago. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="red">t <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="yellow">a <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="green">l <font face="vivaldi" size="3">k 16:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but a total lack of news... doesn't look quite right too :/ I'd say we should wait for the next announcement, like adding new weapons to the HoM. &mdash; Poki#3 [[Image:Poki.jpg|19px|My Talk Page :o]], 16:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What we should have done is added the skill split or something.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  16:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * True true. --[[Image:Hellbringer newer sig.jpg]]<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="red">t <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="yellow">a <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="green">l <font face="vivaldi" size="3">k 16:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait for something new newbs. Now it lookslike theres nithing going on. 18:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 18:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Only thing going on is the devs degenerating update style and wikias degenerating hosting. Not something to announce IMO.--[[Image:AlariSig.png]] 18:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * just cause its not new doesn't mean its not the newest news. i miss it being there!162.84.143.170 19:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

New player guide
Under "New Player Guides" it seems like a link to Roleplaying character creation would be useful since one of the first things a new player needs information on is how to create a character. What do people think? Luke1138 22:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "How to create a character: depending on whom you ask, start with a Nightfall character, or some other campaign. Choose sex and profession at whim. Click "next" repeateadly, type a name, hit "next" again, play through tutorial. Character naming is an arcane art, here's a page full of advice and two talk pages disagreeing with it." That is about the scope I can imagine for "how to create a character". Clearly, you have something different in mind. What? --◄mendel► 23:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please forgive me, I am tired. --◄mendel► 23:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I recommend against it, because the Roleplaying character creation article is not aimed at new players. The considerations touched upon in that article can't be understood by a novice, and that could possibly intidate potential players. As outlined above, the process of character creation is reall yquite simple when you're doing it for the first time. --◄mendel► 23:24, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What about adding the article under "Guides" then? So that it would be at the same level of bullet as "New Player Guides".  Just seems like something as major as creating your character should have a link on the main page.  Luke1138 09:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It just seems that something as minor as creating a new character could by understood by a mentally handicapped 5 year old if they took maybe 2 seconds to take a glance around the screen.  —ǥrɩɳsɧƴ ɖɩđđɭɘş  [[Image:Grinshpon blinky cake.gif|19px]] 13:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Grinsh, it is obvious that your comment is uninformed by any reading of the guide itself. The guide contains considerations for a player on the advantages and drawbacks fo each campaign for a player who owns more than one campaign and wishes to quickly reach certain areas of the game, e.g. for farming etc. Your 5-yr-old will not know this, but the beginning player does not need to know this, either. --◄mendel► 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Wintersday in July
Should replace Dragon Festival 2008 imo. 06:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed Dragon Festival a week or so ago, but no ones updated the Main Page. <font color="DarkGoldenRod">Himm <font color="Red">Taeguk  (T/C) 08:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I added it to the page, but it might need a little work; I'm not sure if we'll have a article for the event, or not. I think most of it's covered there though. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  20:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You dont' need an article for it. All they did was reopen the snowball arena and add a few drops. We don't have pages on weekend events normally. What would you say in the article?&mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 21:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends on how big the event turned out being. New drops? New additions to the snowball arena? If there was a bunch of new stuff, it might bear mentioning in its own article. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  21:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

--- With the Wintersday in July message the main page columns have gone out of sync. Someone please fix this. -Meridon
 * I added a linebreak, looks good at my resolution now (1280x1024). &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 13:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * When I do stuff like that, I take the time to resize the browser window to different widths - at some of which the BR line break looks downright ugly. The double width=50% I added to the editcopy seems to work well, for me anyway, though. --◄mendel► 13:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

"Green" Weapons --> Unique Items
It occurs to me that "green items" is a holdover from way back when they were first introduced and no one knew what they were. Now just about everyone knows them as Unique Items, so I think the main page should be updated (finally) to reflect their actual name. Not to mention, Green weapons ignores the fact of shields and foci. My suggestion: "Unique items – Special gear dropped by certain bosses." Entrea   [Talk]  03:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely good idea, the link we have that says "Green" goes to Index of unique item lists anyway, so might as well call it what it is. (Should've put this in with the linebreak edit just now, but meh.)  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 13:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to keep it going to the same place, the index page, since that's what most people are probably going to want (rather than the definition of a unique item). &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 13:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Whatever someone else might know them as, I know them as "useless junk" or something to that effect. Calling them "unique" is rather dumb, though, when many players may have the same "unique" weapon, and one player who farms them may have many copies of the same "unique" item.  Quizzical 15:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well regardless, who goes around calling them Greens anymore? (OK, a lot of people, maybe, but less than call them by their actual name)[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  16:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * They are Unique items as per "in-game" terms (actually, as per game updates). Thus, we should name them Unique items. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  16:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Ishmael fixed the name, but "Unique items – Unique gear..." seems kinda redundant.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  16:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Happy now? :P Also moved it from Weapons to Itams... --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  17:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Dye / Dyes ?
The plural of "dye" is "dyes", true, but I'm going to argue that on this page, it is used in an uncountable (definition 3) sense and thus should not take the plural form. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 13:41, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The real reason I put it there is that I thought "Mission" looked flagrantly wrong, and checked the others to see if anything else needed to be fixed. With dyes, it's debateable.  Quizzical 15:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think "dye" is better.  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 15:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

MOX
Needs punctuation 208.44.247.101 00:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

It's time
To take down the emote. It's beginning to attract unsavory attention. 20:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  20:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That was a nice epic fail on the anons part. --Macros 21:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Hall of Monuments
I honestly think this shouldn't be on the main page. It's not something that in my opinion a moderate wiki user will need as a quick access link on the main page. I think the current main page is very good, because it displays almost the entire structure this game is based on in one page. I however also think the HoM is not part of that structure, instead I consider it based on it's structure, like any other area in the game. The hall of monuments just doesn't seem important and/or general enough to put it on the main page. Sure, it contains ending plots to Prophecies and is going to tie the game with GW2, but that should be described in or linked to the EotN page linked to the Storyline header on the main page. Right now, anyone who doesn't own EotN, or to an extent, isn't bothered with the HoM because they are not planning to buy GW2, has nothing to do at all with this link. Of course, the HoM wiki page deserves to be noted on other pages, but in my opinion it just doesn't cut it on the main page. Your thoughts please. Meridon 83.160.160.130 18:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thought: Can you suggest an alternative? :) I'll swap it out, but can't think of what to put there... I agree, it isn't such a big deal. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to an alternative for something to put on the main page, or an alternative for where to put the Hall of Monuments link? If it's the first, I don't really think it needs an alternative. What you could do though is link it to a list of the main ports that connect the campaigns together; or just a direct link to the Port article. If you're looking for an alternative to place the HoM link in, I'd suggest putting it somewhere into the Storyline of Eotn (click storyline on main page and then EotN storyline). I haven't got much experience with the eotn story, so I'll leave that up to others. -Meridon 83.160.160.130 17:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The first. Just removing a line creates a bigger empty space, which doesn't look as good :) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]]-- (s)talkpage  18:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In that case, I would like to suggest linking to the Port article, as this article links the pve player to generally considered the most important location in every campaign. Also, if you're looking for other things to add in the PvP/PvE section on the main screen, I'd like to suggest a link to the Trading or the Economy article, or something similar, as both the player-to-player market and the player-to-NPC market are very big aspects, mostly in PvE of course, but also somewhat in PvP. I'll be looking for other alternatives. - Meridon 83.160.160.130 15:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree - I looked for ages for the info on how to get to other continents on gwiki <font color="Orange">Random <font color="Black">Time  15:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Missions link
It seems like bad form to link to a disambiguation on the main page - imo, we should link it to the Mission article, which has the same links as the disambig but more content, and it would fit in better with the links to Quest and Dungeon. Thoughts?  &not; Wizårdbõÿ777  ( talk ) 19:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember it used to link to mission, but it was changed at some point. Back to normal now :) Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 21:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Halloween
So what are our plans for Halloweenafying the Main Page? -- Shadowphoenix  14:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Big picture of Danika zu Heltzer's face replaces main page. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The same thing we did last year. We put Haloween in the "What's New" section. You want fake cobwebs, you can hang em on your own userpage.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  21:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well thats boring... even GWW is doing something new this year... (and I prefer my bloddy mary theme to cobwebs ty!) -- Shadowphoenix  17:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Guess I was wrong about which wiki has the corncob stuck up there.. um.. nose... -- Shadowphoenix  17:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The only time I ever remember changing stuff just for a holiday was that stupid April Fool's joke. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 21:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought April Fools 2008 was pretty funny, actually. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 21:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well maybe if you changed stuff you would see how people like it! The same thing during special times of the year is.. boring!  -- Shadowphoenix  00:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You go right ahead and do that, I can't be arsed. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 01:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * We could put some fan fiction stuff links! Like "The night Entropy stole Halloween from the MainPage" and lots of pumpkins and witches images...and, and, and a contest! Yeah, best photoshopped Hero with Halloween costume image, or something...and moar fan fiction, and role-playing. Yay![[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 06:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There is lots of GW artwork that a photoshopping person might use to base a wiki Halloween skin on. These are just the first 30 hallowen-y images I came across while browsing through my concept art folders; going by the numbers, there's going to be 3 times that among the files I haven't gotten to yet. --◄mendel► 09:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

kill the note
Someone copied the note at the top over to the main page ("This page is for users to tweak or propose changes ...", and of course that makes no sense. --◄mendel► 23:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It was Entropy :P --Gimmethegepgun 23:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Shhhh. (Support my RfA so I can silently fix these things in the future.) --◄mendel► 00:25, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Books
With the new update, would it be a valid request to add a direct link to the Books page on the Main page? VisionOfTheWood 03:54, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's unneeded, the link to the Game Updates page should be enough. This is a large update, but it's not like a new region or event that needs special announcing.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  03:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was more concerned with 6 months from now rather than content atm. Granted in that timeframe half of it could change... VisionOfTheWood 04:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it. In one of the main sections, not the New section. In that case, I think it's a great idea.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]] Entrea   [Talk]  04:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Link should indeed be put somewhere, though I think we should wait till we actually have the info up and not lots of redlinks (or blue links with no info), hehe [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 04:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was thinking somewhere under the PvE list or under the items list. Not really sure which would be the better application. VisionOfTheWood 05:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd say Items list, when we have enough info in the Books page. --[[image:GEO-logo.png]]<font color="#237d00"> Jïörüjï Ðērākō.> <font color="#237d00">.cнаt^  18:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Background, Skin, whatever
Please get rid of this b*tt ugly background. This is not MySpace! Our eyes will thank you for improved readability. 76.30.79.54 20:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you bother to read the site notice? -_- &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Screw that it is a stupid idea, ads lag and makes shit hard to read. Why not just force people to register just to see the wiki instead of blinding them until they do?
 * Black font on a white-ish background? Here I thought contrasting colours were good. Blue font isnt too bad either.  ∞ ∞ <font face="Pristina" size="3">Ipo™ ∞ ∞  21:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have read the Wintersday notice, but didn't didn't realize the background that looks like a cloud cover was winter related. My bad, I guess. Does that mean this will only be around for the next 2 weeks? 76.30.79.54 21:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. And if you register an account, you can set your personal CSS to disable it.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael [[Image:Diablo_the_chicken.gif]] 21:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you tell me how to do that? The image is fuck ugly. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2 (T/C) 19:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nvm, got it. [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] <font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2 (T/C) 19:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ugly? Pfff It's Beautiful! I love the nice cold chilly snow! xD -- [[Image:F4Sig.jpg|20px]] <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † The Falling One©  19:12, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If background that looks like a cloud cover means the blue-white snow, that is not supposed to be behind the article text (but will be on long pages if you're using IE6). If it's not that, uploading a screenshot might help us help you. See also GuildWiki talk:Wintersday/Wiki decorations. --◄mendel► 23:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Updates function
ok i'm very new to this whole editing a page thing so if i'm doing this wrong or w/e please feel free to change it. i was wondering if it would be possible to add an automatic display of when there are new updates. on the official wiki they have in the top right corner a little thing that has the date of the last update. i know this wiki is by far better but it's just not as convent checking the updates here. i don't think it would be a hard thing to add and it would really help not only me but other people. what do yall think? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.226.30.88 (contribs) 22:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC).
 * I don't know why, but I dislike doing something just because GWW is doing it. Might just be me. Also I would never use that function myself. And finally, you should sign your future comments with ~, it makes it easier to see who said what, it will automatically convert to a signature like the one after this comment (I did it for you for that comment, I think ) Viruzzz 22:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)