GuildWiki talk:Community portal/Archive 17

The recent vandalism
Is, firstly unacceptable, if it is a sockpuppet of any user here they should be ashamed (not to say it is). The spammer seems to: Anything we can do, apart from :D and bear it? RT | Talk  18:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Create a link using !important before each argument in the span tag
 * Remove from the article, small amounts of content, so it looks like a very minor revision
 * Use a referer URL (url2it.com in this case - i've looked on there site, there seems no clear way to report a bad url to have it removed)


 * Also he uses Position:Absolute. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 18:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah! RT | Talk  18:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it still happening in the last few days? And is it also happening on the official wiki or are we the only target? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't check the Official Wiki. It has happened a few hours (well, 3 hours) ago. It doesnt happen on GW2W for as far as I've seen tho. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 21:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What does the vandalism do, anyway? (I've been a bit less active here) Thought ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] (Talk) 21:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It covers the entire page with an invisible external link pointing to bad sites. No matter where you click on the page you get sent there. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a javascript that should reduce the damage it causes, until the bad guys catch on and invent something new. In the mean while, the javascript *might* break some fancy legitimate use of external link formatting.  Please report any such occurrences. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And I've no doubt they've protected their own page with it. I don't see how it's possible to cause whatever they've caused. Thought ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] (Talk) 22:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ignorance is bliss. I don't want GuildWiki to turn into the Academy for Advanced Vandalism Techniques.  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Something similar (or identical) was tested over here. I also looked at the HTML of the page and found probable causes why a couple of elements weren't covered (see the talk page) --Gimmethegepgun 22:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I've missed these vandalisms, what does "absolute" do? <font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  22:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It makes the positioning of the element measured with respect to the entire page, as opposed to it's immediate container. This is how it's range/size can cover the entire page. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, "absolute" makes it relative to the container. "fixed" makes it relative to the page.  "relative" (default) makes it relative to the current position of the element. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * .........OK, so it makes it cover the page. OK then.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  00:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Except the GuildWiki logo, the navigation bar on the side (just the one, not all the boxes), the search box, and the tabs on top --Gimmethegepgun 00:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Skill templates
What happened to the "edit skill details" button? Cress Arvein(Talk) 00:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ummm... it seems like  isn't working --Gimmethegepgun 01:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I first noticed something strange in the statistics page, the job queue link disappeared. Regular external links appear to work, but plainlinks isn't --Gimmethegepgun 01:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just was going to post that. The main page link to PvX and Gw2wiki are gone (they are in the code, but aren't showing up). Cress Arvein(Talk) 01:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And I just found something very strange. Check out my sandbox and look at the code. Before, only the pure external (no plainlinks) one showed up, but now for some reason... uhh just look at it. Also try removing either one of the spans and see what happens --Gimmethegepgun 01:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd guess it's due to Pan's changes to the Common.js --Gimmethegepgun 01:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * On Internet Explorer, the links show up :/ Cress Arvein(Talk) 01:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess that's because IE is such EpicPhailTM that the changes to the Common.js won't work on it --Gimmethegepgun 01:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also all the links on the Ban template are fucked --Gimmethegepgun 01:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * After purging cache that seems to have fixed it --Gimmethegepgun 01:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Back to normal again, I guess. Cress Arvein(Talk) 01:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Long loading and time-outs
GuildWiki is awfully slow today. Also I get time outs like every 4th click within GuildWiki. What does that cause? It's a pain to add stuff like that. Other pages work just fine. LOL even got an error after I clicked Save here ;_; *grrrr* I'm no person with much patience :P 2nd time-out *sigh*, wonder if I'll be ever able to post this comment... 3rd with new error: The requested URL could not be retrieved --Birchwooda Treehug 20:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems that someone has a grudge against Wikia and is doing DDoS attacks of all of Wikia. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 21:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Kind of ironic, because they don't give Wikia any problems, just the people who are trying to use the websites <font face = "Matura MT Script Capitals">Silver Sunlight [[Image:SSunlight.jpg|19px]] 21:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

1.12 should be coming soon
FFXI and EQ2 are upgrading to 1.12 right now. Depending on how many new bugs get discovered, so I'm guessing it might be our turn sometime next week or the week after (the more bugs, the later). -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 04:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * <makes entry in diary to be sure to be "away on business" next week> :D --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 04:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wolfie, better update your diary d-: -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 20:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Were in
Wikia's big wiki list! YAYYY! <font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  20:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We have been for months now d-: And Yu-Gi-Oh! just recently surpassed us )-:  -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Semantic MediaWiki
The Semantic MediaWiki is an extension currently undergoing testing on Wikia, and I think it can be useful on GuildWiki. The testing site on Wikia's installation of SMW is here. Official documentation of SMW can be found here. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 22:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as it works with wikied, it's probably fine <font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  22:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What I mean by that is, I don't realy understand the document, but if it works with my editor extention (Called wikied) it's probably fine <font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  22:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Admittedly only had a brief read through some of the features / examples, but agree that some of those features could be very handy for GuildWiki. One question-mark though, what sort of impact is it likely to have on the servers, infrastructure etc?  Ie, all that additional syntax structuring etc will surely come at some extra server resources usage cost?  Will Wikia accommodate that? --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 03:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Semantic MediaWiki, if I am not mistaken, is MUCH better than DPL at performing similar tasks (which is currently deployed on standard Wikia installations, and we'll probably get DPL once we upgrade to 1.12). Wikia is currently testing it, which means looking for bugs or any subtle corner cases of huge resource drain, and if it passes the tests, then it will be available to all Wikia wikis (may not necessarily be automatically on by default).  I believe it would be generally desirable in terms of resource consumption to convert any applicable usage of DPL into Semantic MediaWiki. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 07:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, very cool. Anything that can enhance performance is a good thing, and if it can give us some neat new features as part of the bargin, all the better! --Wolfie [[Image:Wolfie_sig.jpg|19px]] (talk|contribs) 23:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * At first glance, I thought this was called "Semitic MediaWiki." I was nearly horrified. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 23:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Some answers from the developers:
 * SMW can indeed be used in many ways – be creative! (In the gaming context, e.g., you could realise DB like functions as offered by http://thottbot.com/ as part of the wiki, while still having normal wiki pages; you can also make something like a wiki-based blog or a multi-lingual documentation (scroll down for other languages))
 * Performace impact of advanced queries depends on the query and data; Wikia might configure SMW to allow only queries of limited complexity to prevent server overload
 * Compatibility with other extensions is important to us, please report any problems and we will try to fix them (see http://semantic-mediawiki.org on how to report bugs/wishes and where to get support)
 * The extended syntax can be hidden in templates, if desired (I think http://discoursedb.org is a good example for that)
 * -- Markus Krötzsch (SMW project) 20:55, 12 March 2008 (CET)

Cress Arvein
Umm, is there something going on with Cress Avin? I was pressing the Shield and Swords and  so many times that it eventually borught me to Cress Arvein's page.--‎ Spam  King  18:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no clue what "pressing the Shield and Swords and  " is referring to, so can't really help you there. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 22:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Does he mean the GuildWiki logo at the top of the page? <font color="FF0099">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  22:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Duh, what other thing has that on this site, except the image for completed missions in tyria.--[[image:Spam_King_Sig.gif|19px]]‎ Spam  King  22:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I repeatedly clicked it and got... the Main Page. :/ Cress Arvein(Talk) 22:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that i was clicking it with the scroll thing on my mouse and it was openign up new tabs for me.--[[image:Spam_King_Sig.gif|19px]]‎ Spam  King  04:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Skill color-code
A proposal at GuildWiki_talk:Style_and_formatting/Skills may have major effect on the looks of a significant number of articles. Please take a look and comment if you care about the issue. -User:PanSola (talk to the ) 09:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You guys know that a lack of response means a free license for me to do whatever I want and you'll never get to complain right? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it, provided I don't have to edit the icons. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the idea, and for Elite PvE skills, how about half of the border silver, and the other half gold, either in the middle of the picture or the middle of the border going around. <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 02:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem I see in this is that some random person is going to come here looking up a skill that they just got in-game, and see a gray border on it, and wonder wtf is that supposed to mean??. It's not like it's in the game like the elite skill borders, where people can identify them with.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So let's think about how to easily provide the answer to the question wtf is that supposed to mean?? -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 02:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just add a small note to all pve-only articles: "This skill is displayed as any normal skill in-game." [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 02:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The gold border isn't the same as the actual icon in game. Put a border around all the skills. DIfferent colors for different things: Kurz/Lux, PvE, etc. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 02:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It may not be the same, but it's very similar, and it represents the same thing. IMO, unless we can somehow make people understand what the gray border means at a first glance, I don't really see the point in it.--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 02:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think on Quick References, it already has seperate sections for them. It would be a lot easier and less confusing to just add something to the skill boxes that says something like "PvE spell" than changing the icons.[[Image:Entrea Sumatae.png|Entrea Sumatae]]<font color="#4682b4">Entrea Sumatae  <font color="#4682b4">[Talk]  02:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Skill Archives?
Is there any way to see the old versions of skills here on Wiki? I was trying to remember exactly what a few skills looked like before nerfs over the past 2 years. Zuranthium 10:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Skills descriptions are done in templates, where the history of all old versions are. Simply click the edit skill details above the skills image on its page and view that history. --[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 10:33, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Another DoS?
Seems like another long loading time spike... <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful  17:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah. 'Wiki's slow. Annoying as heck. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 17:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Haven't noticed anything myself. [[Image:Entropy Sig.jpg]] (T/C) 05:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Anet down?
Is it just me or all servers are down? I can't start the game and I can't open GWW, GW2W or GW.com<strong style="color: black;">reanor 21:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it's fixed now.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 21:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

weapon cats
any objections to and does anyone want to implement categories for the DAW weapons? mostly for curiosity but it will help keep track of the newly added weapons. &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 23:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna put em all in Category:Design-A-Weapon contest weapons... &mdash;<font color=#ff44aa>♥ Jedi ♥ Rogue ♥ 02:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm up for it.[[Image:Ereanorsign.jpg]]<strong style="color: black;">reanor 08:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

What the..
My wiki just looked messed up, its totally screwed now.. Whats happened? -- <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr.) 20:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Screenshot so we can see what it looks like?--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 20:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's all normal on my screen, still using Firefox 2.0.0.12. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 20:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong here either. --[[Image:OrgXSignature.jpg]] 20:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All sigs have a blue box around them, and everything is in the wrong place. How do I take the screen? prntscn isnt working.. --[[Image:Warwick sig.JPG]] <font face="vivaldi" size="4">Warwick (Talk)/(Contr.) 20:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Print page and scan it. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible new quick reference
I have been trying to research to make a good dervish build myself. Since most of dervish's energy management (mysticism) revolves around losing enchantments, I think there should be a quick reference for all the enchantments that give positive benefits when they end. --Voidvector 16:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Effect on end skills quick reference is probably sufficient though... [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, sorting thing isn't work. Good enough, i can figure out from profession and attribute. --Voidvector 17:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Skins Information in Unique Weapon Template
I look over unique item pages all the time, as I think many others do as well. It occurred to me that almost all of these unique weapons and offhands are reskins of existing common/rare items, and the skin is always mentioned in the article either at the top or under a notes section. Since this is clearly useful information that applies to every single green drop, I propose that we add a line in the template under "Dropped by:" saying (for example) "Skin: Suntouched Scythe" or "Skin: Unique" as appropriate. Obviously, I have no desire to make the weapon template large and unwieldy, but since this information is on every single green item page, I think this will serve to make the information easier to find, as it willbe in a standard position. Thoughts? --Hashmir 19:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea, but it will be a lot of work to fix every single unique item page--[[Image:Marcopolo47 signature new.jpg]] (Talk) (Contr.) 19:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So was fixing all the pages with a template >.>
 * Sounds like a good idea imo. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  19:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be a lot of work for one person... but if we work together, it will be pretty easy. I'll take care of unique bows. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I can get monk items. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  19:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Even easier since we made categories :) --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  19:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Want me to take a crack at adding to the template, or would one of you gents like to do it? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 19:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I have it. Starting monk items now. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 19:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How would you specify if it that skinned but dyed?--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 19:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just putting weapon skin dyed   --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm putting " Unique (except for other unique items) " for things like Ssuns' Staff, and PvP reward for pvp reward staff skins. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please make sure you remove redundant notes. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  20:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Starting Dervish weapons.
 * Hey, my idea was liked and executed. I feel cool now. XD Anyway, I'm going through the warrior weapons and just moving the info from notes sections. For space reasons, I've elected to use "Ungula Axe dyed green" format for clear dye jobs, while just saying "Stygian Reaver" for special colors, such as Axe of the Kinslayer." If someone has a better convention for special colors, I'll go back through and change them, but I find that anything more detailed stretches the box, defeating the purpose. --Hashmir 00:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)'
 * I just said "Suntouched Spear uniquely dyed" for things like Droknar's Spear. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  16:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I said "with unique coloring" for Drok's bows. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How about "Long Sword (unique)" in the box, leaving the notes saying they share the model but the color setup is different? --Hashmir 21:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * For things like that I put Similar to #### (see notes) and left the note in.--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 22:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

checklist
--<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 20:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Warrior- complete- Hashmir 01:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ranger- complete- [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Monk- complete- <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Necro- not complete(blood/curses magic complete-Alari)
 * Mesmer- not complete
 * Ele- not complete
 * Sin- complete--[[Image:AlariSig.jpg]] 20:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rit- complete- <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Para- complete- <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Derv- complete- <font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest 21:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

GW2
So, I've been thinking about it; And those of us who have stayed with gwiki mostly stayed because they dislike gww. So, we could either: OR What do you all think? &mdash;<font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">♥May♥ <font face="vivaldi" color="purple" size="4">Wick♥ 11:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Create our own site
 * Make GWiki into a wiki for both gw and gw2.
 * Look on the main page, we have a link to GW2W. I think most of GuildWiki has decided to merge to GW2W rather than make a-whole-nother wiki. <font color="Purple">Thought <font color="Blue">ful [[Image:Thoughtful Sig.png|19.px]] 11:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That would split the community. Again. Which is bad. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  17:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Gw2w I think <font color="Blue">RT </B>| <font color="Black">Talk</B>  17:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we just need to strive to make GW2W more similiar to our site than to GWW. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 17:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we'll be able to match Anet's GW2 wiki. The only reason we're still here is because we had a 2 year head start. With both wiki's starting on equal ground, their superior manpower will leave us in the dust. --Macros 17:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oplz, our kickassness pwns face :P  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3" color="Steelblue">Shadowcrest  17:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Just use the Official GW2 Wiki. The users are nice, and policies are now written and flamed :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG]]-- (s)talkpage 17:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There are basically two factors to consider when choosing between two wikis, as I see it. People (like myself) choose this wiki because it was around first, so it has a more entrenched user base and considerably more ancillary information, such as useful notes, talk pages, etc.  Others choose the official wiki because they feel that it, as an official wiki, is in a better position to be the "one true wiki," so to speak.  If our community in its entirety goes to GW2W from the start, then there's no need to choose, and we'll just have one big shiny wiki with everything, which we can all agree is preferable.  I'd like to think that visually it'd be more like this one, but I trust that with a gigantic userbase, everything will work out for the best.  --Hashmir 18:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)