Talk:Nicholas the Traveler/Archive 1

How many maps will you put there ?

Or are you going to change it each week ?

— TulipVorlax 14:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No idea. I support the second option myself. Or a subpage of (past) locations; I presume he'll cycle. Slowly :P --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  14:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought of a new map each week. But the supbage is another very good suggestion. Kaede 17:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Being unfamiliar with wikis, I'm not sure how to set this up. I think it might be a good idea to redirect the term "Traveler" to this page.


 * Maybe a table with dates and links to locations similar to the treasure logs? Might be nice to have something similar Cyberhythm 09:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Drop rate
Anyone compiling info yet? So far I've had 5 mysterious summoning stones, 5 mysterious tonics (x2), 10 aged hunters ales and 3 disco balls (3 min firework display). Cyberhythm 09:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * > Drop rate/Gift of the Traveler — TulipVorlax 10:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Santa?
Think about it...Abbadons X 18:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think so -[[Image:MAL wiki sig.PNG]] 05:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno... "Nicholas"... maybe. Maybe not. I'm pretty sure he doesn't restrict the gift-giving to good girls and boys, though. :P Qing Guang 06:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Was confirmed by the Live Team during the Sanitarium.fm Ascension Show April 28th. The name is a reference to both Saint Nick and to Nicholas Angel from the movie Hot Fuzz taking place in Sandford.76.0.80.227 08:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Note
I think a note should be added stating that he does not share the "5 gifts per reset" limit with his Pre-Searing counterpart. I've wondered this, and been asked this quite a few times by others. talk & cont  07:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno. Same guy, different time periods. Different items collected. Different gifts. I suspect this particular confusion will only last for a short while.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 07:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * But he does only allow you to get 5 gifts per reset --[[Image:Kirbman sig.png]] Kirbman 17:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Reset Times
I Have updated the page to say that he moved between 1:30am and 8:30am PST (Pacific Time) if anyone knows the exact time he changes location can you please update this entire section.

Gift Reset Condition
Are you able to get 5 new gifts immediately after he resets to a new location? Or do you need to wait 7 days since your last visit to get new gifts? - Kalendraf 9:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You can get 5 new ones at the new location. So, p'haps the limit should be restated to: 5 gifts until NtT moves to a new location.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 22:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

New location
here. --- -- (contribs)  &emsp;(talk)  16:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Location 27-04-09
I just found him - pure luck as I was not searching for him - in Traveler's Vale, near portal to Iron Horse Mine. In that location, he wants 3 Bolts of Linen. --Dreamy Lull 16:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Location Video
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&mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by HDGamerz (contribs).
 * Nicholas The Traveler Location - Tutorial - April 27 Update (Large HD Version)

Item Difficulty

 * If you haven't noticed yet, they removed Bolts of Linen from the rare material trader for this week. They have also removed plant fiber from material trader (becuase Artisons can craft linen from it). Now i'm gonna have to farm plant fibers T.T boring. -Rølin
 * It might just be easier to salvage some linen. --  Shadowcrest  00:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The rare material traders ran out of linen; the common material traders sold all their fiber. GW traders only stock their goods when characters sell to them; when there's a run on the market, the traders will run out of supplies. (ANet doesn't manipulate the market; we do.) These links might be helpful:
 * salvage fiber from these which drop from things like Plants
 * salvage linen from these, which drop from things like Am Fah and other well-dressed (but poorly mannered) opponents.
 * &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 00:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That could explain why I originally saw Linen in the traders window but when i logged out and back in a few minutes later they were gone. I thought there was some sort of lag in the server. -Rølin
 * This is interesting. Collecting crafting materials... maybe ANet is trying to drain cash out of the economy. You know that when the week is over, linen's going to cost a ton until supplies are back up. Qing Guang 00:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, on the bright side I can make a killing on crafting Linen at Artisons cuase farming The Falls gives me lots of plant fibers. -Rølin
 * Good luck with that... I tried to sell some of my linen 20 minutes ago and the traders would only give me 180g for them. T_T --Zyanya386 14:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Dialogue

 * If Nicholas changes where he is and what he says every week... isn't the dialogue section of this page going to get ridiculously long after a few weeks? Maybe that should be moved to a separate page like his past collected items and only the one for the current week could be on the main page.  -Zyanya386 09:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above. Old dialogue (such as the flower dialogue) should be moved to Nicholas the Traveler/Past Dialogues, which would need to be created. --Slurry. 14:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. :D --Zyanya386 02:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Move time
Wait... so does he move at the midnight that begins Sunday or the midnight that ends it? (read: has he moved yet?) Qing Guang 14:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He moves on Sunday night (California time) going into Monday. (read: he's still there :-) The official site said (at one time) that he would move, after the weekend and their announcements typically have used California time. Currently, the official site says, once the Traveler starts roaming, he can appear anywhere, though he'll stay there for a week; thus, the exact time of his move is not well defined. Last week, he disappeared from his old spot around 01:30 PT (Monday) and the first reported discovery at the new one was around 07:30-08:30.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 15:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone on Guru claimed he's moved already... will go to confirm. Qing Guang 01:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Confirmed, he is gone. Scour the jungles, people! Qing Guang 01:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, didn't go quite far enough around the corner... he's still there. Qing Guang 01:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Still here. I'm zoning like mad to see him leave. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 07:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Still here. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 07:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm staying at his location, only rezoning every 15-20min. I want to know if he'll just disappear, if he stays until zoning, and if he says anything when moving.. maybe even hinting next location. I reply here as soon as I know --Lexxor 07:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Gl, I got some other things to do. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 07:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Still in same location --Lexxor 08:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Still there. I'm off to do Z-Quests. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 09:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you enter the zone one minute before he leaves, he'll stand there until you zone. 110% sure, since GW is instanced. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  12:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Which is no problem though as you see him directly after zoning in from Iron Mines holding down CTRL facing upwards. --Lexxor 12:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "I'm zoning like mad to see him leave." Viper, I knew that. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 12:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Prediction Game
I don't know if the following is appropriate for this page or not, but I think it could be nice to have some fun. The wiki should have some sort of a weekly prediction of Nick's new location and/or collectible, and the first user to successfully call either of the two would win some special prize (a unique userbox or something). Anybody else think this could catch on? Please don't be too brutal if you don't like the idea :/ Myko Ducor 01:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It's seems obvious the next location will be in Kryta though, so there's not a lot of guessing room, until we see him break the pattern (yeah yeah, 2 isn't much of a pattern) by going somewhere unpredictable. And we still don't know if he will be going cross campaign either. I think we should hold out until a few more spawns to start playing these (if ever) because if he DOES follow a pattern, it would make the game pointless and too easy. Mlandry 01:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, someone was way ahead of you. --Macros 01:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The prediction idea is good, but wikis are a place for information. If prizes were to be set up, it would be on Guru.


 * Funny whoever thought he'd follow a pattern. "Obviously in Kryta..." lol.
 * I'm not making fun of you guys. I certainly didn't see this coming, either, and perhaps this breaking of the prospected pattern makes the idea a little better. Good point about the Guru. I just thought some guessing might be a nice touch. Myko Ducor 18:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

4:23am PST
4.25 hours after supposed move, hes still in the vale...100%confirmation
 * Gaaaaaaaaay -[[Image:MAL wiki sig.PNG]] 11:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on when first people found him on Guru, he will probably move in about 2 or 2.5 hours from now. --Lexxor 12:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is just getting silly. -[[Image:MAL wiki sig.PNG]] 14:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

He's gone from his location, i just went to check. --Rotfl Mao 15:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Turns out closing GW and restarting it does matter for getting the new Nicholas location. I just went and checked after my comp had issues (had to restart) and he's gone now. Gw002.jpg--Zyanya386 15:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Let the hunt, BEGIN! Since every man and his dog is probably all over kryta looking for him, I'll do the unexpected and search somewhere else like Elona. -[[Image:MAL wiki sig.PNG]] 15:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

FOUND May 4th
In budek byway near the Marketplace. Asking for Juni berries of all things. O.o --Zyanya386 15:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Dam it Branch of Juni Berries. Wel lets walk the... ehm Drake... Ow and BTW Zyanya can you plz uploade a image under a name and not Gw... :D -- [[Image:F4Sig.jpg|19px]]  † F1 ©  Talk  15:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Am i the only one who wants to punch someone in the face for this? Oracledelphi44 16:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So you have to actually do a quest for a hour to get items to give him. OH NOES. Cress Arvein [[Image:Cress sig.JPG]] 17:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Gone?
shouldnt he be gopne by now? or should we leave him alone for another hour or so?? -muscolo 12:25pm, gmt+1
 * more like 4 hours I think --Lexxor 10:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If he stays in Cantha, do you think he's luxon or kurzick allied? Becuz I'm sure if he stays, he'll move to one of the factions' territories. -Rølin
 * Takes ages before he moves. But my gues is that he will be in Pongmei Valley -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  14:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well he has been moved -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  15:20, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone told me he was outside of Sorrow's Furnace. Can we get a check on that? -Dan 11:31 EST May 11 2009
 * Don't think He will be in Proph for a 3 rd time. But I have a look -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  15:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Not ouside sorrows furnace
 * Nope not here -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  15:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Heard rumors he was in pongmei valley, but I just checked out the area and came across nothing. Noggieca 15:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah did it to but gte look for him after it -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  15:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just checked Aborstone(north) - no Nick there 17:50, 11 May 2009 (GTM+1)
 * Someone has said he's in Arjok Ward --JonTheMon 15:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Arkjok Ward collecting mandrogar Root cakes Noggieca 15:54, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Of all things he can collect.... It just had to be Mandragor Root Cake... -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  16:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * DAMMIT! I merched my mandragor roots after farming the berries last week! /ragequit RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 16:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's oke Kali, Calm down, look at the pretty Picture :P -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  16:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * gasp*gasp*gasp* ok... I think I can breathe now... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyone else having trouble getting roots to drop? I've tried solo NM & HM, with heros & without. Roughly 10-12 runs farming Tarom Rockbreaker and his mandragor buddies but I'm getting nothing. Maybe Anet toys with the drop rates? Maybe they nixed the drops in *easy to farm quickly* places? I don't know. Just getting a little irritated.91.151.155.125 17:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * So uh... berries were 1k each last week, roots are now 20k each in Yohlon, what next? Armbraces? O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Armbraces or Ecto's. Either of them would be funny. Only have to come up with a story for Nicholas for them :P --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 17:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ectos are cheaper than roots now... >_< RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You can't blame Nicholas if he wants to be in touch with his female site with an Armbrace. Well eating Ectos'with a Ruby fork and a Sapphire fork. -- F1Sig.png  † F1 ©  Talk  17:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * @ rose: well, start collecting ecto's then :P who knows they might skyrocket to 20k each if the traveler wants them.--[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]El_Nazgir 17:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Disregard that last query. Apparently I was farming "Swamp" Mandragor (their names don't say Swamp anywhere in game or on the wiki) and wouldn't drop the right kind of root even if one was to drop. Plus the wiki says they drop the right kind of root needed to make a cake for Nick (since there's two kinds). I can't confirm or deny if said Mandragors drop roots at all...ever, but I can say I farmed them and the area for over an hour in HM with and without a party and never seen a root drop. QQ 91.151.155.122 17:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The wiki states Roots drop from the lv22 versions, actually. And HM reduces the liklyness of collectible drops. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  18:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Farm East exit of Yohlon Haven. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * @ Viper: Not sure where you see that, on the Mandragor Root page it doesn't specify which levels drop them. But I was just following the links through Mandragor Root Cakes, Mandragor Roots, then types on locations that drop them. Thanks for the info though, wasn't aware that HM affected coll. drops. @Rose, thanks a mill. I'm all over it now! Process of elimination ftw. 91.151.155.125 18:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * AS previuosly stated, its easy to farm those, i did HM iwth 600/smite. testing the others now. 76.188.100.220 20:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Just as a test I took a full H/H group in HM in Arkjok Ward. Got three roots in 12 minutes. How are the drops when you solo?Bikeboy854 05:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

(RI) I got my 17 roots in 4 runs with H/H in NM. Party size does not affect collectable drops, afaik, and I think you actually get more in NM. My third run through I got 9 roots, my second only one, and like 4 and 3 on the others, so it's really just luck. RoseOfKali 06:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Rose where do you farm? Just outside Yohlon Haven and then rezone? Or all of Arkjok Ward? -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  07:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I have been going to the southern part of Arkjok Ward. I go straight through the rocks kill a group of tusked howlers and then head south. There are a lot of mandragor just waiting for you. My last NM run netted 4 roots in less than 10 minutes. There may be better places, but this place seems good enough.Bikeboy854 11:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well This sucks... Al I get are those dam Luminous Stones... -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  14:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I farmed the central area of Arkjok, that's the only place where you find mandragors, but I tried to get all of them. From the portal, to the southern wall with insect boss, to Nick (killed Mindclouder a few times for fun), then around that loop by the res shrine along the wall heading north towards where the ntouka boss and the elementals are, and to the sunspear sanctuary portal, rezoned there and went back on the same path.  There are A LOT of spawns of mandragor in this area, you learn quickly where they pop up.  And don't forget to catch the mandragor boss in the middle of the area.  I didn't touch the howlers usually, most of them are easy to avoid.  The highest concentrations are around the res shrine by Nick, by the mandragor boss in the middle, and just south of the ntouka boss, on those ridges and along the rounded wall.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I only got like 3 luminous stones the entire farm, versus 17 roots. O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Very helpful post. Thank you.


 * My team farmed as a two-unit human group (using, oddly, Me + El). I suspect our multiple runs took about the same amount of time as RoK's full monty farm; we covered Marga portal due East and rezoned frequently (about 8-10 groups of Mandragor triplets). We ended up with 32 roots and probably 15 Lumis (we had a 15-20 min period of no roots and 1 Lumi/triplet).


 * Re: HM &mdash; HM tends to increase the possible types/caliber of drops, so I suspect that RoK is correct in saying that root farming is more efficient in NM.
 * Re: Loot scaling &mdash; Regardless of how scaling is supposed to work, the chatter in Yohlon includes solo and group farmers who get tons of roots and those who get bupkus. So, again, I would agree with RoK: luck apparently plays a bigger factor in successful farming than party composition, mode, or player skill.  &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * After my second "run" with full H/H team, i got only 4 roots. :-S — TulipVorlax 15:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I had my best drops when I went out with three heroes, but I did get Enadiz to drop his shield for me twice.Bikeboy854 10:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lolz at above. I get 2 roots a run if I am luckey, and I kill all mandragor that spawn in southwest arjok ward. (with full H/H) Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 15:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

What next?
What do you expext Nick to collect next?
 * 5 minipets perhaps? --83.254.112.245 13:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 5 packages? :P  ∞ ∞ <font face="Pristina" size="3">Ipo™ ∞ ∞  13:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

18 / 5/ 09
I think he is in Gwen's Garden, collecting chromatic scales.. Can't confirm it right now though. <font color="#843232">nnd 15:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

18 MAY 2009
<font face="brush script mt" size="3" color="DarkGoldenrod">Noggieca 15:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * confirmed Gwen's Garden, collecting Chromatic Scales Btw The Jingle Bear is there again -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Where is the Bear? I dont see him --89.248.248.41 15:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lets kill me some Dragons. Now whats the best farm place. Any Thoughts? -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * CTC -> Turn right in Battledepths. 3 groups right there. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  15:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you use the Varajar Fells entance There are a few groups south. Looks like a good farm place. As you can rezone there 2. -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©   Talk  15:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Scratch that there are a good nr of groups there. it seems like a good farming place -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  15:57, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Better still. Fight your way to the Asura gate of HotS and rezone kill the 2 groups there and keep rezoning and killing easy as hell -- F1Sig.png <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="darkred"> † F1 ©  Talk  16:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I noticed this earlier - I'm pretty sure the bear is always there, so long as you have completed the quest, because several weeks ago when Nicky first left Pre I noticed it there when I was picking RIFs. Oh, and do you think the whole wind chime thing he's talking about is a play on their being "chromatic scales", which is an actual musical thing? Qing Guang 02:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably. ^_^ If it wasn't intentional before, it is now. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 03:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Will Not Appear If Gwen is in Party... or maybe he will
According to other sources, Nick won't appear on initial visits with Gwen. He will appear on subsequent visits. I haven't verified this yet. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 00:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This happened for me. First time only jingle bear was there; second time, traveler, yakkington and bear were there.RingoSK 05:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistent Move Times
I moved this to talk because (a) it cluttered the notes without (b) providing helpful information.

His location and requested item are supposed to change early on Monday morning (Pacific Time). However, the exact time has been inconsistent:
 * His last sighting at his first location was 1:30am PT Monday (26 April); he was first discovered at his new location around 8:30.
 * His last sighting at his second location was 8:15am PT Monday (4 May); he was first discovered at his new location around 8:30.
 * His last sighting at his third location was 8:00am PT Monday (11 May); he was first discovered at his new location around 9:00.

Since we haven't seen anyone from ANet explicitly confirm his move times, all we really know is when he's last spotted at the old site and first spotted at the new site. People have claimed to see him as late as 8:15 am before he left Traveler's Vale and as early as 8:15 in Gwen's Garden. So, for lack of better data, I think the article should stick to "approximate" time rather than claiming a specific one. &mdash; Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 08:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that ArenaNet never designated a time for him to move. It seems as though he moves whenever the moderator that is in charge of him gets to work. Maybe the change time varries dependant on who is in charge that particular week. -Rølin

Why the heck would you care when he moves. This comment is over analyzing the movement time to receive attention and it fails.


 * ^Lol... This is a WIKI, we over-analyze EVERYTHING! :D RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 17:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is WIKI?!!?! Thought this was Sparta. OOPS!
 * I prefer "wiki." If this was Sparta, we'd all be dead. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) 8:15? first sighted...8:30 /\ first sighted...8:30 /\ first sighed...9:00.
 * He was seen at 8:15? Well, that contradicts with the data.
 * 2) lastest last time = 8:15, earliest first time = 8:30
 * Am I missing something? He could either be moved at 8:15 or 8:30... that's not necessairly inconsistent. A_F_K_sig_2.jpg A F K When Needed 21:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)