Talk:Order

Dark Fury
This has all the characteristics of an order but a different name, should we add that? Skuld  11:21, 13 April 2006 (CDT) BUMP Skuld  15:04, 23 April 2006 (CDT)


 * WP:BOLD &mdash; Stabber ( &#x270d; &bull; 2006-04-23 20:11 UTC)


 * We are not Wikipedia d-: *runs off and hides* it is bad form to link a Wikipedia policy article in support of any action, even if that policy is the same as one traditionally held by the GuildWiki. -PanSola 15:22, 23 April 2006 (CDT)


 * Dark Fury is not an "Order" for two reasons:
 * A) It doesn't have the word "order" in the name (big giveaway, I know).
 * B) It does not apply to all the party as the other orders do. Nearby party members. The other Orders immediately enchant everyone in the party no matter where they are (I think it's limited by the radar screen though).
 * --Karlos 01:10, 24 April 2006 (CDT)


 * This comes down to what we (i.e., GuildWiki) is going to define an "Order" as. The name is not an objection if the definition of an "Order" does not require "Order" in the name. The area of effect isn't a valid objection if "Order" is going to be defined as something that enchants every party member in its area of effect. I don't have a big bone in this fight, but I think it is better to war on what an order is or isn't, rather than what is or isn't an order. Once we have a definition of "Order", it will become obvious whether Dark Fury belongs or not. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 01:32, 24 April 2006 (CDT)


 * We do have a definition of what an order is: Every skill that has the word "Order" applies to the entire party and the word "Order" itself implies a group (i.e. the party) that adheres to a certain principle. Dark Fury is not labeled an order by ANet and does not match the behavior of the other order skills in terms of turning the whole party into an "order of ...". While you might think the AoE of the spell is irrelevant, I think it is front and center in the debate. The skills are named "Order of XYZ" because they make the party into an "Order of XYZ." Dark Fury does not. --Karlos 04:32, 24 April 2006 (CDT)


 * As I said, I don't have a bone in this debate. Address Skuld. &mdash; Stabber &#x270d; 06:55, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

Stacking
The article says:
 * Also, since the March 2nd 2006 update, necromancer orders no longer stack.

I just tested and Order of Pain and Dark Fury do stack. &mdash; Stabber ( &#x270d; &bull; 2006-04-23 20:17 utc )
 * I think Order of Vamp is the only one causting things not to stack, everything else stacks. -PanSola 15:23, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Yes, OotV is the only one not stacking. I've modified the note to that effect. --theeth 15:28, 23 April 2006 (CDT)