Talk:Vial of Dye

Combine Limit?
It seemed the only way for me to get a cool looking set of armor was to combine green + blue + blue + remover + remover. A large number of dyes but it did the trick. For some reason, now, I can't do that. At the last remover it prevents me from adding it to the dye. Does anyone have any idea if there is a limit set in place or how I can get the same color I've been using!? --Chuiu 18:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok there seems to be a combine limit of 4. I must have used blue/remover/remover because that results in the same color that I have.  Though I swear to god I used g/b/b/r/r.  Oh well. --Chuiu 19:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

is it necessary to have an article for each type of dyes? --Thundergrace 16:07, 22 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * (sarcasm)That's how we do it in this Wiki. Actually, the list of dyes shouldn't be in the article in the first place. Instead each individual dye should have its own article which is listed under category:Dyes. No need for a list in the article. (/sarcasm) >:( --Tetris L 18:15, 22 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * To get back to seriousness, I don't see a reason to have articles. Just a plain list.  --Fyren 06:46, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * Agreed. Especially if the articles have big bulky images. :)
 * I do believe, however, that a picture of each color next to it is a wonderful idea. --Karlos 17:48, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)
 * I think so too. We might even make them a bit larger than 12 px. :)
 * How about we arrange them in a circle, like this:
 * {| align = "center"


 * - align = "center"
 * || Red ||
 * - align = "center"
 * Orange [[image:OrangeDye.png|30px]] || || Purple
 * - align = "center"
 * || Black / Silver ||
 * - align = "center"
 * Yellow [[image:YellowDye.png|30px]] || || Blue
 * - align = "center"
 * || Green ||
 * }
 * I know the "circle" isn't perfectly round, but I think it does the job. ;) --Tetris L 18:14, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * We're heading into the too much information department. :) I actually think we should place samples of ALL color mixes. i.e. not just the 8 or so standard ones. --Karlos 18:20, 23 Sep 2005 (EST)


 * Ok, i'll start mixing =P Skuld &Dagger; 04:56, 1 Oct 2005 (EST)

Green + Dye Remover does turn Gold colored in the vial, but once you apply it to armor, the armor becomes green. I tested this with a Mesmer on Rogue's Armor, so perhaps it works for other char/armor combos, but not for that one. Someone who has done more testing with this should update the article. LordKestrel 12:27, 19 October 2005 (EST)


 * [[image:Dye_Test.JPG]] Skuld!! You ruined my armor!! :) --Karlos 12:33, 19 October 2005 (EST)

lol! i got gold on one but it made monks standard a dirty gren colour

Bold text-> What I miss here is the purpose of coloring weapons/armors. Do I get an advantage out of it or is it just for fun?Bold text


 * Dying items is, as advertised, for dying items. No other benefits attained. :) --Karlos 21:44, 2 November 2005 (EST)

Getting dye
So any updates regarding where dye is usally dropped? I find a lot in ascalon... can anyone confirm?
 * Dye is dropped by everything, everywhere...just not very often. Black seems to be particularly rare, but the rest get dropped regularly no matter what or where you're fighting. --PKDawson 00:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edits
In Usage, I changed "All armor and weapons" to "Most armor...", especially since it doesn't take more than six paragraphs to contradict itself. Yes, my pedantry knows no bounds. --Havral Glommon 20:20, 28 February 2006 (CST)


 * I'm also removing the Necro headgear from the "Non-standard effects" list, as this was patched to use normal dye effects a while back. -- Sunyavadin 18:42, 6 August 2006 (BST)
 * And yet someone felt the need to replace it there, giving misleading info. Likely someone who hasn't played a necro in over six months. To clarify (From someone who regularly plays a necro) Necro headgear was updated several patches back to use normal dye effects. Green dye gives a green scar, blue dye gives a blue scar, yellow dye gives a yellow scar. And my own characteristic signiature colour is now only achievable through a mix of multiple blue and green dyes, instead of one purple dye. -- Sunyavadin 17:49, 20 September 2006 (BST)

Mixing with dye remover
Quote: ''You can also use dye remover in dye mixes; in this case the remover acts as the base color of the item the dye is applied to. For example, if you mixed a dye remover and a green dye and applied it to a Necromancer armor (base color Red), the resulting color would look the same as if you had applied a Red + Green mix.''

This does not appear to work. I mixed orange and dye remover and applied it to Pyromancers armor. The result was not a reddish mix of purple and orange as expected but simply a washed-out orange (as logic would also seem to dictate, but which contradicts the above statements).


 * Should combos with dye remover really be in "general tips for dye mixing"? Anything involving dye-removier is profession-specific, so I think it should go in profession-specific subsections as soon as someone figures out which professions those mixes actually work for.

Irrepairable
This line from the article really stunned me : "contrary to logic, mixing two vials of dye only nets you a single vial of dye in return." I cannot believe, when I was a new GW player and was fiddling around with dyes, I fully expected mixing two vials to yield only one vial and was not even disappointed that this was the case. Until I read this, it never even occurred to me that two vials IS the logical thing. Apparently, computer games have twisted my logic far out of shape, beyond hope of repair. Just thought I would get this off my chest. Turn off your computers! Flee! Run to the uncivilized hills before it's too late! --Ishmaeel 00:57, 14 March 2006 (CST)


 * I also didn't initially question the fact that only one dye pot was a result. I think, from a psychological stand-point, game worlds are indeed separate realities as concerns the viewer/player, with there own standard 'internal' logic. For instance, you also don't question the ability of the elementalist to clearly break the laws of thermodynamics (quite spectacularly when it comes to Fire Magic :P). Mapping game logic for players of GW would probably be quite interesting :P. Shandy 01:05, 14 March 2006 (CST)


 * Oh no, I respectfully beg to differ on your views about elementalists and fire magic. GW developers got that right; my sister can easily throw fireballs and summon meteors. But seriously, if I correctly understood what you meant, that mapping study would really be interesting. Maybe a next small gamewiki should be about that? :) (ps. somebody somewhere (maybe even here) said something along the lines of "c'mon, bring someone back from the dead just like that?", which I find quite funny.) --Ishmaeel 02:36, 14 March 2006 (CST)
 * You forget - bringing back the dead "Just like that" doesn't always work. Just look at (spoiler-> Rurik <-spoiler), who seems to have a similar condition to the "Allergy to phoenix downs" Aeris seemed to suffer from in FFVII... --Sunyavadin 13:51, 8 August 2006 (BST)

White Dye
Re: post by anon saying:
 * Silver + Dye Remover + Silver (in that order) = an alternate almost white combination (I tried it and this combo does NOT work!!!)

I've also tried it. This combination does work; but like all other dye colors and combinations, the effects/quality of the results will differ depending on the base armor being dyed. --161.88.255.140 17:46, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
 * Someone removed this formula again, and I added it back. --- Barek (talk &bull; contribs) - 08:19, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

One of my guildies uses the combination (Yellow) + (Yellow) + (Dye Remover) + (Silver). He swears by it, but in my opinion it's more of an egg-shell white.--Xis10al 18:36, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I would hope that your guildie isn't starting with yellow, then adding yellow, then dye remover, then silver. The problem is that adding 1 yellow + 1 yellow = 1 yellow.  The result is identical in every way to an unmixed yellow.  So it would result the same as yellow + dye remover + silver.  If they start with either of the others as the start base, or did the second yellow after the remover or the silver, then it would work as was listed.  --161.88.255.140 18:51, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
 * yeah, sorry about that...he mixes (Yellow) + (Dye Remover) + (Yellow) + (Silver)
 * 25 Oct 2006 - White Dye Added =) Game_updates/20061025--Midnight08 10:14, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Before the update, it just took (Silver) + (Silver) + (Silver) + (Yellow) to make white dye. I mixed up dye like that after someone telling me then put it on my monks armor and it was a very nice white.  I dont know if leaving off those extra 2 silvers would have worked as you seem to state.  I don't know if it will still work like that or not.  Also I have heard monk armor is very easy to dye and it might not work on other armors. VegaObscura 23:56, 29 November 2006 (CST)


 * I used Silver + Remover + Silver + Silver on my Canthan 15k, and it worked great. You can see a picture on my user page. I heard it only worked for Rangers, and of course, it can't be done at all anymore (I refuse to redye my armor due to that). Compared to real White Dye, it's not quite as bright, which depending on the light can actually make it look better. Either way, I'm content. Arshay Duskbrow 03:01, 30 November 2006 (CST)

Gold Dye
None of the gold dye suggestions on this page look even remotely gold on my 15k Gladiator's armor (female). Most of them show up as an orangish bronze. Straight yellow dye is the only thing that looks "gold", but it isn't very shiney. Just a little glossy. Anyone have suggestions? --aCynicalPie 17:43, 13 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Well, if yellow looks golden but lacks gloss, I would try yellow+silver if I were you. (However, I'm not very good with dyes so this may be ~500g poorly spent). -- [[Image:Bishop_icon2.png]] Bishop [ rap|con ] 18:46, 13 June 2006 (CDT)


 * Plain yellow is glossy, but it doesn't actually look gold (which I have seen before). --aCynicalPie 19:54, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

Order?
Does the order you mix the dyes in really affect the color and if so, anyone knows exactly how?

Yes, it does. But to my knowledge, only if you're stupid enough to mix the same dye twice. As someone above said "Yellow + Yellow = Yellow", but Yellow +  + Yellow Could yield a quite different result. ...Don't shoot me if I'm wrong. x.x

I'm not sure what is meant by the mixing directions. When it says A + B + C (assuming order does matter), does that mean you select A and add to B, then select the mixture and add to C? That's what I'm assuming, but I want to be sure before I waste too much money playing around with dyes. 404notfound 03:04, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
 * The order can matter in some cases, for example:
 * A + A + B would be the same result as A + B,
 * A + B + A would be the same result as B + A + A
 * but mixes from 1 and 2 above would be different from each other (A + A + B is NOT the same result as B + A + A)
 * So, it's best to use the sequences listed until you are comfortable that you understand how the sequence affects the results.
 * For following the instructions A + B + C, fist mix A + B, then add C to the mix. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 08:18, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
 * i think it's fairly safe to assume there is a specific color value encoded in whatever method anet uses to encode these things, and that value is mixed in a way that is commutative but not associative. that is,

(a+b)+c=(b+a)+c
 * but

(a+b)+c!=a+(b+c)
 * an interesting note: the two mixes in the first box will dye the same color, but not stack, this may be important in later mixes. an additional variable is remover, which mixes in an alpha channel. i've some spare change, i can try this on some armor with a known color value, like druids armor. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 18:07, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
 * average seems like a function that fits that template. esp if anet is storing the mix and recalculating it on load, rather then storing an absolute value. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 18:09, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I think mixed dyes might just not stack. One of my favorite dye colors is blurple (cheap and pretty, kind of a nice royal blue on most things), and I've made a lot of it, but I've never noticed my blurple vials stacking with themselves. Am I just dumb/lucky or do Mixed Dyes of the same type not stack?&mdash; 130.58 (talk) 10:43, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Dude, I don't think it really matters, but if u really want to find out don't pull out the algebra lol, some of us are out of school and don't want to see it until september :P. Go out and test it! (I would but I'm poor : &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.235.212.133 (talk &bull; contribs) 08:44, July 21, 2006 (CDT).
 * i scared a highschool kid with algebra. ugh, i'm offically old. this is a sad day. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 09:26, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
 * If you don't want to read this... don't. --Black Ark 09:36, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
 * GW being a computer program, there's an algorithm doing the calculation. It is likely that it's something mathematically happy, like a function, rather than just some weird combination of random procedures. Figuring out that formula will give you a generalized answer to the question of "How do I combine dyes?" Which gets me thinking...
 * Given enough money (I can reasonably afford to blow 10k on this, so I just might) and enough time (ugh... not happening anytime soon), it would be nice to take some screenshots of various dyes and dye mixes, read the color values from some of the pixels (doing this well is more difficult than it seems - the dye inventory icons are a bit deceptive and definitely not uniform in color, but trying to actually get the color values from, say, a piece of armor you're wearing means that lighting effects are greatly skewing your results; the best way I can think of is to take the same area from all the dye icons and calculate an average rather than sampling anything individually). Can anyone propose refinements to the method?&mdash; 130.58 (talk) 10:43, 21 July 2006 (CDT)


 * dyes of the same mix stack if you drop them both into the same inventory bag. dyes of different mixes (even if the only difference is order) do not stack. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 17:00, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

sooo then even if the 2 dyes LOOK the same, the game engine defines them as different because of the order mixed...i know this is an obvious question but what if: you mixed 2 dyes (A+B) and the same dye mixture reversed (B+A) then mixed them together, would it come out the same as (A+B)/(B+A)? or would the colour change? Samurai snack 01:01, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * i answered that above, the dyes will be the same color on armor, but not stack. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 01:30, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

Dyes change more than i expected. I have got nice collection of dyes. When i found another one (orange) and tryed to add it to others... wtf? "New spawned" dyes and "old" ones don`t stack even if they ar same colour. The dye combiner refer them as same (2 dyes of same color cannot be used), but stacking them is impossible. Now i must use twice more space as previos time if i not want to lose my collection :/. --212.122.214.161 15:17, 27 October 2006 (CDT)


 * That's an old bug that has since been fixed. 66.142.214.95 12:37, 28 November 2006 (CST)

I have just applied dye in this order W+R+P+R to my new armor. Then i've experimented and chenged the order t R+W+P+R: the game said the the colours are identical and didnt aloud me to dye the armor again in the "same color". R+R+W+P also didnt work. So, I might say, that algebra doesnt work here and (a+b)+c+a=(a+a)+b+c and so on.--Agracul 18:00, 26 January 2007 (CST)
 * Look at the dates of the above comments. This is all an old conversation from prior to the update to how dyes mix. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:20, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Brown Dye
Does anyone know how to replicate PvP brown dye? -- Gordon Ecker 23:08, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Green+orange gave me a light brown, like this. Red+green should logically give a slightly darker tone. The article also suggests yellow+purple if you're dying cloth. &mdash; 130.58 (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
 * None of the listed combinations on the article-page even comes close, despite the suggestions. I have heard that the right combination is black + orange + black. I haven't checked this, feel free to take this suggestion with a grain of salt. Or if you're willing to shell out 20k+ over hearsay, I truly am curious if that's the right colour. If you're going for it, let us know the results. --Black Ark 21:47, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I came here to ask the same question. Brown dye is a mystery. Robin of Glory  [[image:Energy_Surge.jpg|20px]] 14:01, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

I used the Yellow + purple dye mix on my cloth armor and it came out like an ugly yellow. did i mix it wrong or has this happend to anyone else?
 * The same dye colors different things differently. Your best bet is to experiment (if you can afford it) &mdash; [[Image:Fin_sig.gif|User:Kyrasantae]] kyrasantae   14:37, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

what's the bloody point?
Is there a point to dye, or are you all just blowing money to "look cool" ? 'cause if you are, I've got a lot of scams I mean deals you might be interested in.
 * We document the game, dye is for colouring items. &mdash; Skuld 21:22, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Dye is to customize your armor to set you apart from everyone else. Of course, anyone else can copy you, but you get the drift. So basically, yes, its to look cool. &mdash; Amontillado[[Image:Amontillado.png|23px]] (T/C) 21:23, 28 July 2006 (CDT)

And to show off how much money you have :)

category:needs dye testing
Should we create a category to keep track of whcih items need dye testing? -- Gordon Ecker 18:51, 26 August 2006 (CDT)
 * This would actually be a very good idea, especially with the recent changes to dying items. Nalee Everborn 03:20, 27 December 2006 (CST)

Can be a dye used simultaneously for the whole armor?
Surely i am confused but reading some articles it could be understood that dying could be applied to the whole armour at once (once vial of dye with the magic mixture for chest, helmet, boots ...). Is this possible or the only way is use one vial per piece of armour?
 * One vial per piece. Which articles suggested you might be able to dye everything with just one vial? --Thervold 13:39, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

Stacks of Dye incompatible?
I've noticed that freshly looted Vials of Dye cannot be added to existing stacks since NF. Can anyone confirm this? --RolandOfGilead 01:31, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 * Currently dyes from NF cannot be stacked w/dyes from Proph or Factions. --Rainith 01:55, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 * Okay, the wiki is saying two different things. Is it that Nightfall dyes don't stack with Prophecies/Factions dyes, or is it post-update dyes don't stack with pre-update dyes? - Lord Ehzed 07:18, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 * I've had a dye collection from before the NF update, in storage, and new dye drops (Prophecies campaign) DO stack just fine. Perhaps it's just that Nightfall dyes don't stack, or perhaps there's something special about the fact that I've had my old dyes in storage, but I haven't had any stacking issues (and I played on the day NF was released). --Qrystal 17:58, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 * This was apparently fixed in the update of November 2, 2006. It was caused by Nightfall items being flagged differently than their previous versions. So, all dyes should stack fine now, except one special dye worth 25g that is obtained from a Nightfall quest entitled "To Dye For". --Qrystal 21:23, 3 November 2006 (CST)
 * A recent update claims to have fixed the stacking. To Dye For still results in unstackable dye, though. 80.135.206.211 22:06, 3 November 2006 (CST)


 * That has also been fixed. However, I believe the article here for that quest mentions that out of all the dyes you might receive as a reward, there is one that is still worth 25 gold instead of the usual 1 gold.

Reorganization of Dye-related topics
I have started a discussion on how the dye-related topics (this article, and the one about the new Dye Preview panel) could be reorganized, since this page needs to be updated anyways. Please discuss this idea here. --Qrystal 06:50, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Torins' little dye project....
Hey, some time ago I've thought about making a full list of all possible dye mixes (it's 1331, btw.) and a pic to each. I've done both, and now the pics are sitting on my disc, would you guys think it would be a good idea to add them to wiki so everyone can see how the mixes look like ? (The mixes were made on canthan mesmer armor, if anyone wants to know) The pics are 241px x 243px each and look like this: -- Torins (talk) 14:27, 6 November 2006 (CST)
 * It's a good idea but since each armor dye differently and that user can use the dye preview window to find what color it will turn out, it will only take a lot of space for not much info gain. I can see that knowing what part dye before buying an armor can influence your choice but I personnaly don't think this is useful since we would have to do it for each art. &mdash; ├ A  ratak  ┤  14:49, 6 November 2006 (CST)


 * We would not have to do this for each armor set. Just because somebody contributes something does not obligate that contributor nor any other to provide parallel information.


 * That said, there is no obvious way to organize this on the wiki to make it useful&mdash;especially with our current slowness issues. If you like, I can provide you with webspace that you can use to set up a gallery, and we can link to it. Of course, if anyone smarter than me can think of a nice, wiki-friendly way to do this, by all means I'd rather keep the information here. Send me an email if you decide you want hosting from me.


 * &mdash;Tanaric 14:53, 6 November 2006 (CST)


 * Well, i think that uploading them to a webpage and linking to them would be a good idea, seeing the lag on wiki lately...and Aratak: I have a theory on how armors dye. IMO the outcome depends on the materials used to make armor, soooo.... armors made from the same materials should dye the same, haven't checked it yet, but i'll look into it tommorow.... --[[Image:Animate_Flesh_Golem.jpg|25px]] Torins (talk) 15:05, 6 November 2006 (CST)

Starter armor
I bought some Mesmer Ascalon Armor and dyed it purple and then back to grey. Then I went to make a new character in Prophecies and chose the grey colour for that armor (the same art). It seems to be a silver colour, instead of grey. I was wondering if anyone had noticed this for the other armor types, because I'm not sure if the colour of newly purchased armor is grey or that "character select silver". - BeXoR   19:08, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * Well I checked with some new armor and tried to dye it grey. It won't let you and says "The new dye color is identical to the current color" in red above "Apply" in the preview window. The starter armor was definitely lighter, so either the Mesmer starter armor from Proph dyes differently to the Ascalon Armor from Factions, even though they share the art OR the gray in the character creation menu isn't gray at all, but silver (which I suspect to be the case, though I haven't seen this listed anywhere officially). Maybe everyone already knew this but it's definitely news to me! - BeXoR  [[Image:Bexor.png]] 21:40, 31 December 2006 (CST)
 * The grey in the character creation menu is silver. :)Haakon 05:35, 8 January 2007 (CST)

Reorganization of Dye-related topics
I would've started this discussion on the Vial of Dye page, but it's so full of old news that I decided to start on a clean slate here. I was thinking... since the new dye system was just introduced with Nightfall, there's quite a bit of work to do to ensure that GuildWiki has a good encyclopaedic description of the way dye works. I propose a reorganization of the topics, with articles covering these topics as follows: Summary: What I'm proposing is that the article about the Vial should discuss only things about the vials, the dye panel should discuss only the panel itself, and that there should be a comprehensive Guide that covers everything in between. --Qrystal 06:44, 30 October 2006 (CST)
 * Vial of Dye - should discuss only the vial itself, where to find it, how to use it (mentioning and linking to the Dye Preview Panel), and only a very brief mention about how to mix dyes (and, of course, a link to the place that discusses this in more detail). A section on "Vial of Dye (Mixed)" would also be useful, including mention of caution when buying such an item and noting the date on which this is no longer possible to make.
 * Dye Guide - discusses the mixing of dyes, how dye works differently on different items, tips on how to achieve various colours, the history of dye mixing (noting how the professions used to have different base armor colour, and giving homage to those dye mixing charts that are now sadly obsolete), and emphasizing that the Dye Preview Panel should be used to evaluate a dye choice before confirming. The external links at the bottom of the Vial of Dye page are no longer helpful, but if new ones are made, the links would of course be included in this Guide article.  Examples of things that would be answered here:
 * Does dye order matter? (I guess this might need to be checked to see if it still does)
 * What happens if I mix two or more of the same colour?
 * Does the previous colour of armor matter in dying?
 * Can I still make "Vial of Dye (Mixed)"? Are my old ones still available for use in dying?
 * Dye Preview panel - expand this article stub to include as much as possible about the panel and how it works:
 * Can you rotate the character in the viewing panel? if so, how?
 * Do the oldstyle "Vial of Dye (Mixed)" still work with this new panel?
 * "See the Dye Guide for more information on mixing dyes."
 * Maybe someone takes notice now ;) --Krushak 05:54, 27 January 2007 (CST)