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Rare mini pricecheck please!
Just trying to keep a list as I see them around, maybe some day I'll even buy something. :P If you have a different price than one that's listed, please post your in addition, do not remove the previous. Add your source if you can, like did you see it for sale or just heard a pc or saw someone offer a price. All undedicated please or state "ded". Thx much. RoseOfKali 19:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Greased Lightning - 1000e pc
 * Polar Bear - 1500-1750e pc
 * Vizu - 450e pc
 * Kanaxai - $5,000 USD on ebay... O_O 9200e dedicated for sale (184 Armbraces)...
 * Ghostly Hero - 1100e for sale... 1500e pc... 1000-1750e pc... 1650e for sale
 * Shiro'ken Assassin - 800e for sale... 650e pc
 * Zhed Shadowhoof
 * Island Guardian
 * Panda - 1,500e+85 Armbraces offer for dedicated... 5,000e ded for sale now that I think about it, I wonder if that was an elaborate scam, as these prices were only a short time apart, and the offer was 750 ectos higher than the asking price
 * Grawl - 100k+19e bought
 * Longhair Yeti - 180e offer, 400e pc
 * Naga Raincaller - 370e for sale, 450e pc
 * Oni - 333e offer, 430e for sale, 550e-600e pc
 * Interesting facts: there were originally 29 Kanaxais, 56 Vizus, 115 Zheds and Shiro'kens, 136 Pandas and Island Guardians, 200 Greased Ligntnings, Yeti/Naga/Oni/Grawl go over 1,000, and Ghostly Hero/Polar Bear are "virtually" unlimited.


 * I thought "e" was for "ectos" ... -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It.. is? --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (srs Viper) &emsp;(talk)  18:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That's what all those "e"s are up there. Yes, the Panda someone wanted to BUY DEDICATED FOR 1,500 ECTOS PLUS 85 ARMBRACES. O_O RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw some1 braggin about his 950e ghostly hero, after I had said my aataxe pawned his ghostly. Hope it helps. Atleast its less then 1100 e. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 17:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

image not updating
Some of the image caches are a bit sluggish, give it time. -- ◄mendel► 03:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe, last time it took a few months for me. :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 03:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

happy belated birthday?
is it? I'm tired, so yeah. :p

also, whenever I see the ecto price listings for the minis I keep thinking of those eee pc's. ugh. silly netbooks.

Good luck with immigration thingy, btw. &mdash; Nova   &mdash;  (contribs) 05:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanx, lol, and thanx. :) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 06:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Come to Canada, we love immigrants <3 &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 16:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Psh, Nova is actually early for your next birthday ;) --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  16:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if you can take my husband, give him a job like he has here, and a house like we bought, and all the friends and family... Ehh... never mind. Sucks no matter how you look at it. ^_^; RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 19:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I stumbled across this while surfing teh interwebz... I'm not sure how reliable or helpful it is to you, but I figured it wouldn't hurt. Anyways, no, I'm not a link spammer. :p &mdash; Nova  [[Image:Neo-NovaSmall.jpg]] &mdash;  (contribs) 01:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Rose doesn't need a Green card because she could easily immigrate/naturalize being married to a US citizen and all; it's the contract she signed when she first came to the US that is making all of this impossible right now. -- ◄mendel► 01:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Mcafail says NOEZ to that link.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]îğá†ħŕášħ 02:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol, yeah, I've tried the GC lottery many times before and eventually gave up. The reason that's messing things up for me now would also prevent me from getting a green card even if I won the lottery.  Mendel is correct in that I have to fulfill a "contract" so to speak by going back to my home country for 15 more months before I can obtain an immigrant status.  There are waivers for this thing, but from all we've read, in order to get a waiver for this you basically have to have yourself, your spouse, or your child on a deathbed with the only medical treatment available in the US and not in the country you're going to... >_< That, or be a world-renowned genius or be persecuted in your home country for religious or political belief (not happening for me, they friggin love Americans in my part of Ukraine, and I'm not about to convert to Islam)...  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 03:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * me, too: Happy Belated... (And g'luck w/the immi service; I've gone through hand holding w/many a colleague dancing the Catch-22 mambo .) --Tennessee Ernie Ford 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Spilt my milk
Your comments in the update to Outposts (re: removing PRE Hero reference) cracked me up. Yes, the actually THEM not there.

Thanks! :-)

--Tennessee Ernie Ford 23:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, occasionally I am known to crack people up, cherish it, it's not common. ;) RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 23:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool! I'm honored. --My friends call me TEF  01:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Thank you. Will get complicated and confusing if I add anything else :) --> Suicidal Tendencie 23:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Um... ok. ^_^; You're welcome, for whatever that was. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 23:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * :D --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 00:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (I'm still @#$%! curious what that was for. ^_^) *sigh* RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just go with it.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Roar.]]îğá†ħŕášħ 00:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it really bothering you that much? If I gave out to you I'd understand, but I thanked you :P --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 00:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Bah... curiosity sucks. :P Oh well, I guess I'll go with it. You just made it extra-itchy with the "complicated and confusing" part. XD RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 01:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I edited a policy (the page, but not the policy itself, merely a reference) and half expected to end up being reverted / asked wtf I was doing, etc., but I saved the changed, page loaded, and there you were, somehow, occupying both Recent Changes slots. :P --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 06:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Armor art gallery? RoseOfKali 08:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 15:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Epic Lolz. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 16:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * lost and confused and vaguely hungry* --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... O_o So you're talking about this?


 * 1) '''(diff) (hist) . . m  User talk:RoseOfKali‎; 16:49 . . (+228) . . Suicidal Tendencie (Talk | contribs) (New section - →Hi)
 * 2) '''(diff) (hist) . . m Jar of Invigoration‎; 16:48 . . (+39) . . RoseOfKali (Talk | contribs)
 * 3) (diff) (hist) . . Jormungand‎; 16:48 . . (+262) . . 71.220.231.200 (Talk) (→Description: )
 * 4) '''(diff) (hist) . . m Jar of Healing Salve‎; 16:48 . . (+38) . . RoseOfKali (Talk | contribs)
 * 5) '''(diff) (hist) . . m GuildWiki:Builds‎; 16:48 . . (-21) . . Suicidal Tendencie (Talk | contribs) (I'm not changing the policy, merely updating a reference in it.)
 * 6) '''(diff) (hist) . . m Talk:Jar of Healing Salve‎; 16:47 . . (+259) . . RoseOfKali (Talk | contribs)
 * 7) (diff) (hist) . . Jormungand‎; 16:45 . . (-4) . . 71.220.231.200 (Talk) (→Notes: )
 * One of us is crazy, cus I still don't know what I did worth being thanked for. O_o Epic Lolz. XD RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm with Arnout on this one xd --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (contribs) &emsp;(talk)  19:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Somebody needs to tell Suicidal to stop staring at that widget and get the real RecentChanges. ;-) -- ◄mendel► 23:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't know there was a widget for it. O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Mendel, I think the widget is useful, even for people like me who visits Special:RC all the time anyways. Sure, if I'm just refreshing to see what's going on, RC suffices.  But if I am actually browsing or editing/previewing, the widget saves me an extra trip / page-load. -User:PanSola (talk to the [[Image:follower of Lyssa.png]]) 00:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What the hell is going on... --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 17:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea... RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 18:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "both Recent Changes slots" means you must be looking at the recent changes in the sidebar when you could be looking at the big Recent Changes page. Maybe you already are, I don'tknow, I just tried to be funny. -- ◄mendel► 18:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, none of my edits were next to each other, either. O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 19:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't believe changes to the GuildWiki or GuildWiki talk namespaces show up in the widget. --  Shadowcrest  20:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I know about the page, but I generally just look at the "Latest Activity" slots, so took it for granted most people did the same... needless to say I was exceptionally incorrect with that assumption... the funny side was beyond me, sorry... er... anywayz, I was partially expecting my slight tweak to the page to blow up in my face, I didn't think it would be blown up to this degree... and the two edits were side by side on my page when it loaded... wow this is a lot of commotion... --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 20:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, see what you did? :P RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Anyone is able to change a policy page, Suicidal. Especially if you're just correcting something. Significant changes require discussion, but still, users should feel empowered to change GuildWiki as much as anyone else. -- Shadowcrest  20:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Discussion != commotion. Discussion is good and productive. Commotion is bad and disruptive. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Lol! Since when does Felix write in rhymes? RoseOfKali 20:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Since medieval times. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 20:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ohai, herd u died :P --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, but I've been away for a day and everything goes to hell. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 10:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Necromancer Shing Jea armor
Hi, please explain why you reverted my edit when all I did was make the page confrom to the usual format. --> Suicidal Tendencie 21:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I gave a link in the revert comment... O_o RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 00:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To one example, Ele Delver armor, ye. Not only is GWiki still adapting to GW:EN additions (over the weekend I'm adding GW:EN bosses to elite skill locations lists, which has not gotten 50% of GW:EN bosses yet as far as I can see). In any event, that is a clear minority, and there is no reason to split the format into several different styles. I may go through all armor pages and add the trivia to the description. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 13:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree, but I'm not going to go out of my way to find more examples. I just think that things like Chinese script and names of GW players should be kept out of the description, it IS TRIVIA by definition and has no other value than that, it does not describe the item to someone who doesn't read Chinese or knows about the guy who made the videos.  Trivia: matters or things that are very unimportant, inconsequential, or nonessential .  Not that many armors have trivia compared to other articles like quest dialogues, but that's no reason to exclude trivia from armor pages entirely.  I would get more opinions if I were you, before you go and start changing a bunch of articles, you are the first one to have a problem with it, and I don't even understand why.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 16:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I generally try to stick to a given format for simplicity. blah blah scar is similar to Chinese script is describing it, it is saying it looks like something, which, believe it or not, is a description, too. I think it's fair to say a minority of armor pages have trivia, and so unless I see a decent reason to go against the norm, imho, it's just splitting format for no reason.
 * I feel rather unhappy with the have a problem with it bit, I'm not crying in front of my moniter, I'm trying to make the site more simple and user-friendly. Someone, I believe it was Mendel but not 100%, told me the purpose of the site is to document the game as it is, providing infomation useful for those playing the game. There is a case for not presenting such trivia at all. Please observe the fact I'm not making that argument, just I do not see the point of having a section devoted to descriptive trivia, which 99.9% of players will not care about. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Wether you put the section for trivia under the Description (which should describe the armor, no?) or under a separate Trivia header; It's still there. How much does it matter to have a header above the trivia section? Just my opinion. --- [[Image:VipermagiSig.JPG|Ohaider!]] -- (srs Viper) &emsp;(talk)  16:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * How much does it matter...? This is likely to vary from person to person so I won't bother replying to it if you don't mind.
 * should describe the armor, no? I can't help feeling like you decided to avoid reading what I said above. If you describe the Plagueborn Staff as being partially made of flesh, why is that different to saying this armor's scar pattern resembles Chinese script?
 * Perhaps something just isn't clicking in my head atm, but flesh exists in RL. Chinese script exists in RL. They're both stating the appearance is similar to something else. I find no reason to start messing with the standard format for such a minute reason. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 16:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC) Rose: I'm not emotionally involved, just stating the facts as I see them
 * Well, I personally think it's better as trivia. If it has to cite an outside source, it seems like trivia. I think the current description of "network of thin scars covering most of the face" is sufficient. --JonTheMon 17:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Flesh is something familiar to everyone, Chinese Script isn't, and as Jon pointed out, it cites an outside source. And who is Yeoryios? That's not a description, it IS trivia. It is rare, but it's there. The concept of "Standard format" does not rule out exceptions. Take Necromancer Elite Scar Pattern armor/Male - it does not dye, but the "standard format" is that all armor dyes. So what do you do? You make an exception. It's not like everything has trivia or nothing at all, it can be that only a few things have trivia, and still be considered "standard." I wouldn't consider adding a trivia section at the bottom of the article as messing with the standard format. RoseOfKali  18:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC) And I am also stating the facts as I see them, I just see them differently from you.

All articles on the wiki have a potential trivia section at the bottom. You'll find that if articles have trivia (trivia being information that is interesting, but does not enhance actual gameplay), it is always in its own section at the bottom (because it is very unimportant); and that if there are no trivia, the section is absent. I see no reason to do it differently here. -- ◄mendel► 18:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent observation. What's the deal with unconfirmed trivia, e.g. Yeoryios? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 18:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Either it is quite convincing (then it doesn't need to be confirmed), or we confirm it (via Emily Diehl's talkpage on gww), or it gets moved to the talkpage. -- ◄mendel► 19:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There's also Fozzy_Yeoryios to match the gloves and further reinforce the trivia. But afterall, Mendel's word rules all. :) Thanks for finding a way to say it in semi-official terminology after I've been trying to explain it without enough authority to convince anyone.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My what rules the who now??? I think not! Only when I explicitly say that I'm talking as a bureaucrat! And I haven't been! -- ◄mendel► 20:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You rephrased my wall of text with little effort, and that seems to have convinced someone hands down that it is the truth after much preceding opposition, thus you have more authority than me in that person's eyes. I don't think it has anything to do with Bureaucracy.  But there is no reason to discuss this further, it will only incur emotional involvement where there shouldn't be any.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 20:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC) This conversation seems to have not gone as I'd intended. I pointed out that I could be calling for the information to be scrapped, and gently showed that I was trying to find a compromise instead of just rampaging on to get my way.
 * As this attempt went down hill, I'm going to try again. Click here to be enlightened. Find the exact character(s) that the headgear is composed of, and it can be in the Trivia section. Until then I ask that it be removed from the article not just the Trivia section.
 * It looks similar to many things no doubt. If you want it on the page, prove it is a reference to a particular character, that it is a character in particular preferably. Until then, I ask someone remove it (I will not break 1RV) and it not be added again until there is the evidence I requested is shown. By all means, move it here on the Talk Page. But until it looks more likely than it does now... --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 20:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh... the characters are there... O_o Or have you not looked at it closely? Don't quote INAFRs on me until you actually do, it's not going to "enlighten" anyone. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC more than once...) You're asking me if I looked at it closely? That's rather ironic from my point of view. I do not speak Chinese, all I ask is for you to show us the particular characters that are used. Trivial should at least be informative where possible, and I really don't think I'm asking a lot. The note should not be there until we are certain that is an actual character. And even then, I would be more comfortable if the character was in someway a significant choice. I don't see the character that it is. I see some crap about vaguely resembling something... --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC) Don't try to be smart
 * Lol... you're kidding? HAVE YOU READ THE TRIVIA? THE CHARACTERS ARE LISTED IN THE TEXT OF THE TRIVIA!!! I don't know what could be more specific than that. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry... WHY WON'T YOU PLEASE FOR GOD'S SAKE LEARN TO BLOODY READ.
 * The patterns on the forehead of the headgear vaguely resemble the Chinese hanzi 中文 ("zhongwen"), which is the Chinese name for their written language.
 * VAGUELY RESEMBLE -> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Here:

You asked to show us the particular characters that are used, and the zhongwen are IT. Now you say you said something else. So for god's sake learn to bloody remember what you asked for. RoseOfKali 21:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Prz relax guys. Or else I will smash. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Smash moar.
 * The one on the right is visibly missing a marking. It is a rough x shape, and does not have the other mark which you attempted to make it look like it does. The other one is exceptionally close but not 100%.
 * I would still prefer if they were in some way significant. Do the characters relate to death? It's a weak argument for something loosely related... at very best loosely... --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not mark anything that is not there. The dot over the X is faint, but it is there if you look closer.  That or the necro has an inherent green mark right there.  And the main reason I find it significant is not even the degree of the resemblance, but the meaning of the characters, like I said before, it's not some random thing.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I see it. There is a more prominant marking above and to the right. It's the hairstyle or something. If this was a reference, it would be much more visible. Give it up. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's clearly red... that colour used in the hairstyle... now, what am I now asking for that I did not ask for before? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * His hair is pink, not green, you're not seeing the mark, I'm not talking about the "prominent one up and to the right," but the faint one. Unfortunately, I don't have a character to show a better contrast of black on white or vice/versa. And Ishy was the one to refine the wording and add the characters instead of going "wtf is this?": . So I don't see a reason to give anything up. Why don't you give up, actually? Or go delete the Chromatic Scale one first, because there's no relation there at all other than 2 words put together. But as you said before, this is "Asian in an Asian based game." RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I made the mistake of saving that in Paint to save time. It's a little easier to see a faint dark green mark in the actual image.  RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Felix Solves the Problem
Here's the thing, guys. We do list so-called "accidental trivia." In other words, something doesn't need to be confirmed by ArenaNet to be considered notable and trivia-worthy- it may not have even been intended as a reference! Look at Chromatic Scale or a number of skills with similar icons to each other.

Now, I suggest that someone grabs the specific texture with Texmod or some such so we can do an in-depth comparison and decide whether it's close enough to be notable. 21:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Would be awesome if you could do that, I have no clue how to extract textures. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 21:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Dr ishmael does, but he's taking a break. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Learn2texmod. -- ◄mendel► 21:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * lrn2"lrn2" [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png]] 21:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

IT'S NOT THERE
--> Suicidal Tendencie 21:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. I can see it. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 21:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I've zoomed in as much as possible... I don't see a marking over the x shape... we are talking about the same thing, yes? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I was referring to the first shape. I can't see any similarity between the second pictograph and the second image thingy on your face, mainly because it isn't there. X does not equal X with a | on top of it and a little dot above it. &mdash;[[Image:MaySig.png]] Warw/Wick 21:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I never argued that the resemblance between the first one is striking (it mostly likely is correct) I'm just slowly whittling down the argument, one pictograph at a time :) --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 21:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So, after all being said and done, there are at least a few people that agree that the "zhong" is there, regardless of the other one. Zhong is the character used to represent "China." "Wen" was the written language part. "China" by itself is still significant in the context of Factions. Shouldn't that be enough for trivia? I didn't think trivia references had to be 100%. But oh well. Too much headache for what it's worth. I'm glad you started "slowly whittling down the argument" other than changing your mind all over the place on what it is and what should be done with it. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Zhong is missing a downstroke andso is technically only 80% there. -- ◄mendel► 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "China" by itself is still significant in the context of Factions. Shouldn't that be enough for trivia? I didn't think trivia references had to be 100%. RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (EC as usual) I tried my best for a compromise, gave up, then called for it to be removed. You can exaggerate instead of being specific quite often, you know. I'd say more but nothing new would be added. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed it. If that doesn't make you happy, remove it and forget about it. And I don't remember any compromises being offered before asking for removal. All I remember is that you put it in the description and I reverted it. Also, why are you commenting in small tags, other than making it hard to read? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Because I was submiting an unchanged version, got an Edit Conflict, and decided to tell everyone Compromises? I did ask for it to be intergrated into the Description. --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Adding to the description has nothing to do with the content of the trivia, but its status as trivia. And vandalizing the article is not much of a compromise, either. Have a good day. RoseOfKali 22:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * My edit was inappropriate. As was yours. I was trying to send you a message that neither of us are in a position to mess with the page. And you were...? --> Suicidal Tendencie [[Image:Suicidal_Tendencie_Sig.jpg]] 22:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * How was my edit inappropriate? I removed the second character which nobody seemed to see, and explained the first, which other people agreed that it was mostly there. That is the first compromise on this topic. You actually vandalized the article and got it protected. Sorry, different things there. I don't "piss on articles." RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I protected the article, and you both caused that. Conflicts go on talkpages, not on articles. -- ◄mendel► 22:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * So, compromise and vandalism are equal? RoseOfKali [[Image:RoseOfKaliSIG.png]] 22:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Your edit was a suggested compromise, not an actual one. And look on the talk page of the article, disputed by me, as well. -- ◄mendel► 23:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)