User talk:Scythe/Archive/1

[absurdly long header quoting &pi; to a few thousand decimal places being suppressed by the system (halp, halp)]
Edit fields [ don't] faze me. -- ◄mendel► 00:20, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mendel, how did you do that? At RT's page, I got stuck. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 07:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't use the new section function. It is weak. --Vipermagi 12:26, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * But when you use the new function, you show up on watchlists and in rc with the new header. If you edit the whole page, or the previous section you dont. Or could you put something in the summery when editing teh whole page? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 16:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Summaries!

 * You just gotta edit the summary to reflect the new header, then. I might have used the New Section thing once, or clicked it and nigh immediately just edited the last section anyhow... Always worked for me. --Vipermagi 18:33, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Firefox
I use it Shadowcrest 03:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I use chrome. Firefox usually crashes. Ariyen 18:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I use firefox and wouldn't trust google with session data from chrome. Also, less personal attacks, Emmett, k? looked like IE &mdash;  Scythe   21:27, 2 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * You can have chrome not receive session data. 72.148.31.114 01:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * no you can't. Whether you tell it to or not, I guarantee it is D: &mdash;  Scythe   22:29, 3 Dec 2010 (UTC)

Page styling
So, I'm going to be styling my talk page and maybe doing the usual Epeen character pages etc etc, I need color inspiration! so GIMMIE :D &mdash; Scythe   21:14, 5 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * oh, I'll also be finishing my game UI by the end of the month, so keep waiting until then D: &mdash; Scythe   21:16, 5 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * Expecting a color suggestion? Too bad.  Everything is purple today.  PURPLE IS A COLOR.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ  21:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * purple it is. &mdash; Scythe   21:34, 5 Dec 2010 (UTC)

not-pre formatting
someone explain why a line break resulted in a &lt;pre> area... -- easily explained, there's another way to make an area look like this, and that works by leaving a space at the start of the line. (It doesn't work like &lt;pre> because Wikicode and everything is still being evaluated, but it looks like one.) In this case, the template you used ended in a line break (I've since changed it), and after that you put a space and a tag; and hence that space came to be at the start of new line of wikitext, and triggered this formatting. Had you put the tag on the next line, it'd have looked ok. --◄mendel► 07:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I knew this, I just didn't realize I'd left a space D: &mdash; Scythe   20:47, 7 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we had a discussion someplace a few months back why templates shouldn't be coded like that, precisely because it can catch users that way. --◄mendel► 04:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

it really happened

 * being dissatisfied with the (at the time) current drawn the wiki is moving at -- I think you ought to rephrase that, I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean the wiki is moving slowly? I would also remind you to follow Assume good faith rather than post unsupported suspicions in public places.


 * that's blasphemy - blasphemy is insulting gods, and while I am happy you think that highly of me, accusing Auron of that seems out of place. If you could make that statement less of a personal attack towards Auron, your god would smile on you. ;)

--◄mendel► 09:09, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * and I'd probably open an RfA as well as an arbcomm over it - I don't understand this one either - would you RfA me, RfR Emmett or RfA Auron? You and Showdowcrest have managed to stay out of each other's hair on this wiki so far, and I was hoping this state would continue. At this point, an arbcomm would have to examine your differences on other wikis as well, and I for one would not see it it as my GuildWiki bureaucrat duties to do that, though I'd be willing to participate in the first cross-wiki joint arbcomm ever if it came to that.
 * I actually meant drawl, it was a typo :(
 * as far as Auron and blasphemy, I consider blasphemy to be largely erroneous, not religious (though I am aware of the religious origin of the word).
 * I'd RfA Auron for banning you based on something that members of community say there is nothing wrong with. I've corrected various little grammatical errors and spellings to make the post more understandable.
 * &mdash; Scythe   16:30, 10 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * Auron isn't a sysop here. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 23:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * With good reason. &mdash; Scythe   0:12, 11 Dec 2010 (UTC)

Silent Surf Vanquish Count
Sorry, no, I did not get a screen shot at the time. I was just happy to get the vanquish completed. Chances are I'll be vanquishing that area again though, so I'll try to remember to get one then, if I get the same count. I am fairly certain I had no quest that would affect the count, as I hadn't been in Cantha for quite some time.- Meritius Eskevar 04:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Moved from userspace to usertalk by Gigathrash, Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ 06:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, well Just checking to make sure it wasn't fraud and what-not :) &mdash; Scythe   20:30, 14 Dec 2010 (UTC)

I, like great pyramid workers before me, enslaved 100,000 people to create this
Hark! how the bells
 * Sweet silver bells
 * All seem to say,
 * "Throw cares away."
 * Christmas is here
 * Bringing good cheer
 * To young and old
 * Meek and the bold
 * Ding, dong, ding, dong
 * That is their song
 * With joyful ring
 * All caroling
 * One seems to hear
 * Words of good cheer
 * From ev'rywhere
 * Filling the air
 * Oh how they pound,
 * Raising the sound,
 * O'er hill and dale,
 * Telling their tale,
 * Gaily they ring
 * While people sing
 * Songs of good cheer
 * Christmas is here
 * Merry, merry, merry, merry Christmas
 * Merry, merry, merry, merry Christmas
 * On, on they send
 * On without end
 * Their joyful tone
 * To ev'ry home

Ding, dong, ding, dong.--Łô√ë îğá †ħŕášħ 21:05, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Other way now! &mdash; Scythe   21:07, 19 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Wie treu sind deine Blätter!
 * Du grünst nicht nur zur Sommerzeit,
 * Nein, auch im Winter, wenn es schneit.
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Wie treu sind deine Blätter!
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
 * Wie oft hat schon zur Winterzeit
 * Ein Baum von dir mich hoch erfreut!
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Dein Kleid will mich was lehren:
 * Die Hoffnung und Beständigkeit
 * Gibt Mut und Kraft zu jeder Zeit!
 * O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
 * Dein Kleid will mich was lehren!--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ 21:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not what I meant >:-( Where are all the old RC hawkers when you need them :< &mdash; Scythe   21:19, 19 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you want from me?!?--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ 21:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * everything. &mdash; Scythe   21:48, 19 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you prepared to handle... Everything?--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ  21:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you? &mdash; Scythe   23:03, 19 Dec 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't born for this. I was MADE for this.  Let's DO IT!  LEEEEEEEEEEEERRRROOOOOYYYYY!!--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg|Ho ho ho!]]îğá †ħŕášħ  23:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what she said. &mdash; Scythe   21:14, 20 Dec 2010 (UTC)

Your msg
(because everyone else is just too lazy...) &mdash; Scythe   3:01, 24 Jan 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's because Felix is the only active B-Crat here that we have (that I know of). Also, I think he's the only one right now that can do the user merge. Ariyen 03:23, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Correct, only bureaucrats have access to the user merge function, and mendel is spending all his time playing around on Wikia. &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 03:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Mendel resigned from bureaucrat last month. What am I supposed to be doing again? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 04:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought Mendel resigned from this one, So he could participate over there. Ariyen 04:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh right. Blergh.  @Felix: see User talk:Enigma (I mentioned that we could merge his GW- and standard accounts together; he hasn't had a chance to respond yet).  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 05:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * To clarify: I emphatically did not resign from GuildWiki so I could play on Wikia, and thought I had made that clear at the time. Inquiries re: this topic on my talkpage, please. --◄mendel► 05:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Jokes gone so wrong... &mdash; Scythe   0:22, 26 Jan 2011 (UTC)

Primeval Armor Remnants
Afaik both is wrong. Those remnants only 'drop' directly into the inventory by chance, at the moment one of the Lords of Anguish or Mallyx himself is defeated (and thus a chest spawns). There is no guaranteed drop from any chest and there is no (additional) chance to get one when you open a reward chest. –aRTy 14:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The goal of a wiki is to make content as easy, accessible, and readable as possible. Using the term 'drop' implies that a player recieves the item, which, is what happens.  Saying a player receives one is not only longer, but slightly unwieldy, and not going to click in a reader's mind as quickly.  Lords of Anguish are not guaranteed to 'drop' one, but Mallyx is.  Or at least, I've never seen him not drop one, and he follows the same mechanics as Duncan. &mdash;  Scythe   16:45, 26 Jan 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you receive the armor immediately upon defeating Mallyx, or do you only receive it when you open the chest? We should make sure we cover that distinction correctly.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You receive the armor the moment you kill Mallyx resp. the Lords of Anguish, so it's at the same moment the respective chest spawns. Opening the chest has nothing to do with it. Furthermore, neither Mallyx nor the Lords will cause the receipt of the remnant for sure, it's always by chance.
 * (Personal impression, though several discussions stated the same: Every player seems to get a few quite fast, something around 15 or so, and then rarely get any more. Among players who play DoA a very lot, it's rather uncommon if anyone in the party gets solely one in a fullrun.)
 * –aRTy 18:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've never seen anyone not get a remnant upon mallyx's death, so I'm inclined to believe it's 100%, as it is with duncan. &mdash; Scythe   0:44, 27 Jan 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not get one several times (played a lot more than one year ago and did a few runs recently) and some friends experienced the same. In addition an IP criticized the corresponding annotation in the german wiki already in Dez. 2009. –aRTy 07:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh, dunno then. Coulda sworn it was guaranteed, but feel free to revert me. &mdash;  Scythe   20:16, 27 Jan 2011 (UTC)
 * Naw, it isn't guaranteed, though if you're new to DoA it will seem like an 100% drop rate for the first like 6 remnants, after which the drop rate drastically drops to like one every 20 runs.– User Balistic Pve sig.pngalistic 03:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Balistic. It varies within DoA. 72.148.31.114 04:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

And another poke goes here...
The RPG's entering its final stages before it starts, and I'd like you to submit your character as soon as possible. Thanks! --El_Nazgir 08:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

More People
You could get banned for that. I'm not sure though, but I'd consider it socking. :-P I thought you knew better. X-D You're so silly though. Ariyen 00:09, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Silly ftw! And it's not socking... It's "olol time" &mdash;  Scythe   0:12, 11 Feb 2011 (UTC)
 * Right now we don't have a clear socking policy because it's usually not a proplem by itself. Most "socking" blocks are for ban evasion. --◄mendel► 12:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * When it's an obvious alternate account for benign/humorous purposes, it's called a shoepuppet instead of a sockpuppet. There's nothing wrong with shoepuppets.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 14:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh, always with the drama, me... &mdash;  Scythe   20:22, 11 Feb 2011 (UTC)


 * s== call ==

I had been monking for like, two years at a high-end (top 500 GvG, HA, DoA HM, VQ as only heal, etc) level, if you need any help with this feel free to give me a call -- you could help by telling us how you evaluate healing skills - what makes you choose one skill over another, and what role do mathematics/statistics play in this? --◄mendel► 19:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * sure, sure, watch my userspace for a page in a day or two. &mdash; Scythe   19:36, 13 Feb 2011 (UTC)

GW:NPA
Lay off the [ personal attacks] or you'll get blocked. (Not a threat, just a prediction.) --◄mendel► 01:01, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * in content and wiki discussion pages
 * in general
 * Tell Jon to lay off the harassment. But fine, as long as a universal standard is set. &mdash;  Scythe   1:27, 14 Feb 2011 (UTC)
 * If I say his actions were douchy, I attack his actions. -- that may be, but you have not actually given a reasoning. The standard is to "Comment on content, not on the contributor", and your post is definitely not a rational response to the points Jon brought forward. You comment on the way he made him, you tell us your general opinion of them, but you do not further constructive discussion. There is no way to reply to your post because it contains nothing one can base a reply on. Are those standards ok on your debating team? Are you unaware that you can attack a person by casting his actions (or looks, taste etc.) in a negative light? This is called "personal" when you give no facts and no reason that warrant the attack in the given context. Whether Jon acted in a douchey fashion or not is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand; a fact that you should have been aware of especially since I mentioned it in my reply to Jon's post in question: This is about categories, not about Ariyen -- substitute Jon for Ariyen, and apply it to yourself.
 * If you want to have an argument with Jon about how douchey you think he is, take it to his talkpage; cite the passage you take objection to (at the very least, link to the edit); and provide an argument that supports your position that would pass muster on any public debate event you participated in. --◄mendel► 02:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The points he raised:
 * WTF Ariyen??!?!!!!111!!!!1!!!!!1!11!!
 * No, Ariyen, we've done it this way.
 * Go away.
 * Stop editing.
 * restatement of TEF & Ish's key criterion.
 * how were these rational? I already posted on ish's wall about the brick fucking wall effect and the ensuing frustration and rage.  If he had read any of the relevant discussion he would have known this.  How are my points personal and his not? As I already said, keep a universal standard.  Attacking a person's way of delivery, or context of a point is the only way you can win LD debate unless you have pre-cited information blatantly stating their point is wrong.  What warrants the attack?  Harassment.
 * Also: you could scream bloody murder at Felix for doing [nearly] the same thing, but no. I smell a rat.  &mdash;  Scythe   2:35, 14 Feb 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, now I also recommend GW:SHOUT to you, as I'm not getting through to you. I asked you to use quotes; your list of "points he raised" does not actually reflect [ this edit] in any meaningful way. "How are my points personal and his not?" I already answered that one, look above (also, putting in the strawman doesn't help you). Thanks for putting your debating prowess into perspective for me. --◄mendel► 03:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Why am I involved now? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 03:46, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yah, my experience with the school debating system comes down to two points: 1.  Proving your opponent is an idiot, and 2.  Out infodumping the other person.  It's a bad, poorly constructed, and mean spirited system that hates people and is in no way representative of an actual discussion.  It's a contest, but this is a bad place to be discussing the failings of competition.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ  04:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, in theory you'd get taught to do 1. with logic and 2. with (prior) research (and nowadays, smartphones), but apparently standards have been slipping. --◄mendel► 04:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Telling me to swap the names and apply it to myself doesn't make it equal treatment. Coming to me and saying "cut the npa, or you'll get banned" without going to jon and saying "cut the harassment, or you'll get banned" is both insulting, and either a repulsive administrative oversight, or a biased and/or subconscious decision.  Giga is fully correct, the response times given (~10s between rounds) allows for no processing of the information, and thus the more you can cram down their throat in the shortest time wins the contest.  But now we're getting off topic. &mdash;  Scythe   21:04, 14 Feb 2011 (UTC)


 * Saying "WTF, dude?" is not a personal attack or even harassment. It may be a rude way of saying, "I'm having trouble understanding your broken grammar," but it is not a personal attack.  You, on the other hand, said that Jon "set the bar higher" for "douchery," thereby calling Jon a douche, which is a personal attack.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 21:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Spelling it out again for you: "this is about categories, not about Jon". Jon made several points about the topic (which you ignore in your list), and he mixed in some personal sentiments, which he shouldn't have, but meh, it happens. That's why his edit rates as being a largely constructive edit; that's why I reminded him to not get personal, but didn't treat his post as a full-on attack.
 * Your post, on the other hand, is nothing but a comment on Jon and his manner of posting; it is not supported by any points or arguments by which to put it into proportion; it is completely misplaced on the CP talk. I don't mind you criticising Jon's posting style, but I also told you (look it up above) what my standards are for such criticism.
 * Because your post differs in these essential points from Jon's (in other words, it is nothing like his, except that both of you expressed a "wtf" moment), it gets treated differently. Jon's post had the primary purpose of discussing categories; yours had the primary purpose of discussing/attacking Jon. There is nothing one can reply to your post except to say "don't do that" because it contains nothing else.
 * Here's a warning I hope isn't warranted: please do not get the smart idea to troll us by starting to come up with prima facie points to disguise your attacks - we're not so dumb as to not notice, and we're not as wikilawyering to take what I just said as the letter of the law - the wiki doesn't work like that anyway. Put content (valid points on topics) on discussions; put comments on people on their talkpages. If I see you do it differently, you'll get a reaction from me - as has Jon. --◄mendel► 21:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The difference, I would think is, that I had and have already given my imput on the issue. &mdash; Scythe   21:41, 14 Feb 2011 (UTC)

RPG
Hey dude! Just wondering, are you still up for the RPG? You haven't posted anything yet. If you don't want to go along with it, I'll kill off your character :P --<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 13:38, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, was busy as hell last week and a half or so, should be ready now, though :) &mdash; Scythe   21:08, 22 Feb 2011 (UTC)

This is going to suck.
I swapped to an ultra-simple sig now, and I have to type 4 tides!!!!!!!111!!11!!!1!!!! IMA DIE :< ∵Scythe∵ 01:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

how to piss people off
Over on the admin board, you berate Jon for saying something that might piss Dr Ishmael off. That's kind of ironic, because you're here only because I wasn't afraid to piss people off when I stood up for you as you got banned off #gwiki. Yes, it's preferable to not piss people off when it can be avoided, but your posts on the admin board don't exactly follow that maxim either. Also, since they're personal, they should have been posted on Jon's and my respective talkpages.

You're also criticizing me for framing my reply as a question; I think this allows the addressee to put up an agreeing or disagreeing argument without loss of face. I believe it is far less irritating than me saying "this is a community issue, and here's why" and getting a "you're wrong, it's not" with no reasoning as reply. Somehow you didn't point that out, though, and I wonder why. --◄mendel► 22:57, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I did not criticize you for framing it as a question, I 'criticized' the use of the word isn't in that manner, I also spoke to ish about it on irc, and he agrees from an american english standpoint, your "I can't say I enjoyed it" comment, and the sentence before it can only read as inflamitory.
 * You call my being here (somehow the wiki and irc are so closely tied that a ban on one is a ban on the other?) ironic, but I find it more ironic that you leave a comment on my talk page that is read by me as either "you criticized, but did it wrong," or "why, it had no good intention behind it" when you are pushing AGF. ∵Scythe∵ 00:53, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, I think you were wrong, and I am discussing this with you to learn what is right. I've not questioned your intentions.
 * How would you have phrased what I wanted to say, preferably about as short as Dr Ishmael's post was? --◄mendel► 05:10, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * A simple lack of comment would have been best there, as you are directly criticizing his mentality/perspective. I would say with second best being along the lines of "I would agree with that, but how can we resolve the issue, what angle have we not looked at?"  A post that read as optimistic, and 100% good-willed would have been much better than something that read as condescending. ∵Scythe∵ 22:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you advise something that doesn't say what I wanted to say, and in fact would say either nothing or the exact opposite. I prefer to not take this advice, thank you. --◄mendel► 23:44, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

nyergh
Sorry about the thing. I had a bad day. 03:02, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It was 12:10 (ish) in the morning and I still had homework. In a way, you did me a favor. ∵Scythe∵ 20:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

[ uhh...]
First you brag about forcing him to ragequit on IRC <small style="color:green">"successfully infodumping mendel to ragequit since age 15", then you offer to help him? And yet you wonder why people have a hard time understanding your intentions. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 02:08, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My view and mentality on this particular issue: I am often one of, if not the only person who has an issue with how mendel wrote what he wrote. If I proof it before he posts it, and he actually follows my advice, then his post would be far better recieved, wouldn't it?  That's putting a lot of faith in a 15 year old, sure, but I think I have a history of not letting the wiki down (except maybe on the RPG, sorry naz :.  Granted mendel's (only?) reaction to my advice has been "That doesn't say what I want to say."  But then again, mendel has also given me the advice that "sometimes when we most want to speak, it is wisest for us to not speak at all."
 * I wouldn't call my setinfo on irc bragging, more a small pun and plan on commercialized advertising, "serving up smiles since 1947!" and whatnot.
 * I have never questioned that mendel wants to help, just that his means were not always for the best, or handled the best. This is expected from anyone who gives that/this much to one thing.  We are not all perfect.  In some ways, I also idolize mendel, for his apparent infinite supply of expertise, and usual ultra-neutrality.
 * I do not question that people sometimes do not understand my intentions, I am insane you know ;) ∵Scythe∵ 02:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * ahahahahaha--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 03:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a ban for Giga... Also, You crazy, Scythe? I don't beleve it. I want to have a word with your shrink. Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 07:56, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

popular politics
"you cannot resolve issues in the balanced manner you speak of above without both sides giving equally" -- that is what needs to appear to happen in popular politics, but is it just? When two people appear in front of Salomon, and both claim that they own a certain cake, would giving each half "so each of you gives up something" be just? Or does it result in one person being treated unfairly while another profits? Mind you, this analogy does NOT apply to Dr Ishmael and myself, there are huge differences; all I want to do here is get you to question your outlook. Your sentiment speaks to not understanding the issues involved. --◄mendel► 04:26, 17 March 2011 (UTC) Neither are you and you don't have the right to say that, because we ALL help make up the wiki. Ariyen 20:47, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I had the same point as ishmael, but was tired and he appears to have phrased it much better than I did, see it on your talkpage. ∵Scythe∵ 20:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Take this hint then. when two people are discussing with one another.... Why not let them finish? Why do you always have to budge in on their discussions? It really causes problems. I'm sorry that you couldn't see me asking you to just let it be on irc. People have to work things out themselves and that they did. Your input was not necessarily needed at all. Please consider this, before your WoT which I feel is not needed either. Only reason you are misunderstood? Is because you set yourself up that way. It's better if we all work together than for drama that's not needed... "You wish to speak for the majority, when you yourself are quite clearly not a part of the majority."
 * Ok, there's a time and place for everything. Sometimes it's good to interject in an argument, sometimes it's better to let the original actors talk it out. In this case, especially considering that you are on frustrated terms with mendel, it probably wasn't the best to interject. Also, they seem to be making some progress, so it wasn't really as needed, imo. Finally, you didn't even let Ish respond first, which really seems like it was jumping the gun. I don't mean to jump on you (maybe bounce?), but that's how it came across to me (and in a different manner, to Ari). Just fyi. --JonTheMon 21:10, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey you
Play nice. 22:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, it's her page, she can do whatever she wants with it, she doesn't even need a reason to remove comments and does not have to archive them.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 00:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * according to her knowledge she can't. &mdash; <font color="Black">Viruzzz 01:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

GW:MENDEL
I've proposed a policy on the admin noticeboard that you might be interested in. --◄mendel► 03:14, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Dear Ariyen
I am now going to stop reading the recursive, gibberish, and hypocritical arguments you continue to bring against me. They are rarely supported by anything other than yourself, they have started to hurt to make sense of, and are more of an annoyance than they are worth. ∵Scythe∵ 21:21, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Why you were banned on #gwiki
Admittedly you did nothing wrong on the channel itself, however your actions in a private message between you and another user on #gwiki were not appropriate. You have been banned for 1 month (ending april 18th) for these actions, which I knew would eventually spill into the chat itself, and this ban was to prevent that eventuality from happening. Please reconsider your actions, and stop trying to circumvent the ban or it could be extended.--Łô√ë <font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 00:20, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

pro Wikia
You claim that I do the same thing as RT with a different method. Your statement on RTs talkpage strikes me as being badly researched, possibly based on not much more than my previous post there, so I encourage you to seek out and link specific edits on guildwars.wikia, state your criticism of them, and then suggest what I should have done instead. I'd reply to that.

Just as an example, pick my latest action on GuildWars Wikia:Request assistance : a user asks to remove his account, Felix bascially said "sorry, we'll keep your stuff", I go and delete his user pages, unused file uploads, and tell him there's more on GuildWiki. I have acted in Wikia's interests by providing fast and competent service, thus making the wiki appear well-administered. I have acted in GuildWiki's interest by linking to it. But my main concern wasn't either: my main concern was to help that user as best as I could, without hurting the community. Most of my actions have more than one aspect to them, and if you're just picking the pro-Wikia aspects, you're not getting the whole picture.

Oh, btw twitter: "how do I un-merge a layer after I've done more stuff" "spam undo" -- do you mean to say you can't edit the history to remove certain actions and keep later ones? or go back to a certain point in the history with one click? I seem to remember applications that actually can do that. --◄mendel► 08:30, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to tell you no, mendel. There is no "better" action here.  An edit is an edit, and the only "better" I can think of that lines up with my stance on wikia is to not edit at all, but that would be denying a wiki content, which is against my wiki mentality.
 * Not to say that the community doesn't matter untimately, but in this discussion I find matters that are strictly dealing with only the community (eg: your above link, aiding a user with an account delete) are completely irrelevant here.
 * Edits such as this, which serve only to 1) make the gallery absolutely horrendous to look at in monobook and 2) make the content more appealing and "fancy" on oasis. Which, is favoring wikia more than the wiki itself, as registered users can and most likely do, use monobook.  Since unregistered contributors and simple readers will likely be the only ones see it in its prettiest state.  As it is a wiki's main goal to supply knowledge, those readers are the most important aspect, and you are catering more to them than anything else.
 * Yes, I do see that it helps the wiki itself, as it will draw attention to it for its appealing visual setup and all of that, but at the end of the day the fact remains that wikia is sitting in the back of its room, petting its fat cat in its plush leather rolling chair going "dance puppet, dance," watching you make them look good. This, to me, seems to be just that kind of unpaid labor you were talking about on RT's talk page, and this is how I see your actions to be as bad as his potentially could be.


 * On a moderately unrelated note, why did you move this to my talkpage? ∵Scythe∵ 19:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Scythe, apply logic to find the aspect you missed. Your own premises are: "registered users can and most likely do, use monobook", I "make the gallery absolutely horrendous to look at in monobook". What do you think monobook editors are likely to do, given the choices they have? I'd say they move to wiki that actually supports monobook well - in fact, I'm assuming that most of them already have! Who profits from that?
 * I moved this to your talkpage because it concerns a point you raised that doesn't concern Randomtime at all, and hence is offtopic on his talkpage. --◄mendel► 21:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Registered uses do not make up the majority of people who view a wiki (or at least I'm pretty sure they're not. Take GWW as an example, hundreds of thousands use it, but only an odd thousand or so are active and registered.  Granted GWW doesn't have to work around oasis, but it's just a sample to compare data to.)  The entire premise of you argument appears to be me missing that you ignored 95% of my post above.  I was getting at that what you did spoiled it for mb uses and maybe drove them here (that is, they may have gone to gww, etc), and that those uses are not who you should necessarily gear the content to.  Since you prettified the content for the majority of uses, those who are unregistered or not logged in, and are thus using oasis, the percentage of your action that helps wikia is far higher than what helps GW. ∵Scythe∵ 00:52, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Which kind of user makes wikis succeed? --◄mendel► 07:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Not the kind that ignore the entire motherfucking argument presented to them. ∵Scythe∵ 19:57, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Is it the registered or the unregistered users that make a wiki succeed? Your argument rests on the assumption that it is the latter; if you thought it was the former, you could not say I was helping that wiki to succeed. If you argue that unregistered users can make a wiki succeed, I'd like to know more about that argument before I accept this premise. --◄mendel► 20:32, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You're missing my point. To wikia, unregistered user traffic is the primary source of revinue, and you are 'optimizing' the content to be best viewed by them.  The more views by unregistered users they get, the more ad cash the get.  If the content is attractive when you first see it, you will stay and give them more ad money.  Summary: you are drawing them to GW@W not GW. ∵Scythe∵ 21:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

buttons on the side of my mouse
annoy me moving Ariyen's post back, it is either a policy or a guidline somewhere to not insert into the middle of a discussion, that should have finished with moving Ariyen's post back, it is either a policy or a guidline somewhere to not insert into the middle of a discussion, that's what indenting is for. >.> -_- stupid mouse.∵Scythe∵ 19:30, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

oh my god
So I've been using the latest release of FF4, and saw CSS3. my god some intense stuff. How useful will video and image editing really be now that animations can be done in lollight css3 code? O.O O.O O.O ∵Scythe∵ 00:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Derpstein
IRC now 20:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * done & done ∵Scythe∵ 21:01, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Back on IRC plz [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 02:47, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Not earning much wub felix. ∵Scythe∵ 02:51, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Soz
Sorry about mangling your signature. Must have happened when I temp pasted the contents to TextPad (just reinstalled, so I haven't got my settings back entirely).

More importantly, thank you for understanding why I moved the thread. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 01:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * np. ∵Scythe∵ 02:17, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * "I hear I am quite reasonable when not enraged & bias" &mdash; I had heard that, too. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 02:21, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ^____^ ∵Scythe∵ 02:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
You have been promoted to sysop in order to enforce policy as per GW:STFU. Please update the administrator info at your earliest convenience. Thanks! 02:58, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgkcc9sqSm1qb6xdzo1_400.gif muahahaha hhaha screw it, that wasn't funny. ∵Scythe∵ 03:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That's it. I quit. --◄mendel► 03:42, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't see that coming... --  Random <font color="Orange">Time  06:07, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sucks to be you, then :P ∵Scythe∵ 19:33, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Uh...
Why did you ban that IP for "spam"? It wasn't spam, it was a comment on one of the joke skills in the April Fools' update. And no, you weren't funny about it, so it doesn't fall under your mandate. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 16:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought it was spam because it was minecraft related on a GW wiki, I'll revert myself now. ∵Scythe∵ 17:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * On second thought, you already have. The double wtf was not necessary, however. ∵Scythe∵ 17:11, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I assumed you would've read through the update notes and would've noticed the Minecraft joke in there. Sorry.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 17:16, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * np ∵Scythe∵ 17:19, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

poke
Poke! (do not confuse with the user) --<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 10:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I think I am going to have to formally resign. I can't keep pace with everything rl, new server admin (Minecraft) drama, mendel vs ish/other wiki drama on top of the RPG.  In my list of priorities, it is not on top, and as I do not have the spare time I used to, I can't find time to post and part a part of it.
 * tl;dr I never really had much time to write, but I don't have any anymore. ∵Scythe∵ 19:35, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * K, I'll just use him for a while, and kill him off in the first fight. If I may... --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 21:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * His omegaweakness weakness would be sublimination, I'm sure there's a character or two that can uhh, arrange for that. ∵Scythe∵ 21:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Eh, you know what, I think it'll be a lot easier if I just retcon him out of it. --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 08:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Retcon? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 08:44, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Essentially pretend he never existed. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 14:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

DDG
Why are you a DDG evangelist on my talkpage? Why do you do it? What do you hope to achieve? --◄mendel► 21:15, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I simply do not believe in google as a search engine, it was essentially a direct re: in-game store link post 'targeting' you, since you are/were the only one advocating google. I personally think google is just a corrupt corporation that draws enough traffic to overpay its employees. ∵Scythe∵ 22:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Vive la google. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 22:36, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Google est le stalkar! ∵Scythe∵ 23:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * All hail Hypnochrome Google.--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 00:03, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to change that link, it seems to me you might be doing it wrong. --◄mendel► 23:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Change what link? ∵Scythe∵ 01:40, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The one you were talking about, the google link on the Guild Wars In-Game Store page. --◄mendel► 06:13, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I simply do not believe in google, or hypocritically stating that you do not wish to endorse an organization, and then endorsing google. ∵Scythe∵ 14:23, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I hardly see that this wiki endorses Google by using it as a link to currency rates; it's a de facto standard, just like Wikipedia. Both sites have issues (some well-known, others not); to ignore them would be ...ostrich-head-in-sand behavior. To link to something obscure would, however, be tantamount to an endorsement.


 * To be fair, currency rates can be found at other standard locations: Yahoo, Bing, Forbes, Quicken, etc. We need to choose one, since there's no sense in listing more than one. In my mind, choosing one of the most trafficked sites is the only way to avoid implying an endorsement. (I don't like Yahoo or Bing, but those would probably be ok to link, too. Or, alternatively, we could link to the wikipedia article on currency exchange and let ppls fend for themselves.)


 * However, Scythe, I notice that you still haven't explained why you are advocating DDG; you have only told us why you don't like Google. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 17:20, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I advocated DDG because I've skimmed large portions on the source js and html, and have found nothing malicious, or anything obtrusively complex. Open on the source of google.com, and your monitor will explode with a wall of numbers and other seemingly random data.  I see no requirement to make a simple search page that complex.
 * DDG's pages are clear, informative, and exact. No matter how "bad and perfectly fine for people only looking to half-learn something" mendel rates zero-click as, I find it to be a massive timesaver.  eg: This weekend I've been going a paper on Nero for world history class.  When I type "Nero" into DDG, I get a list of meanings, it's immediately noted that google doesn't give me what I want until the fourth result down.  Alternatively, DDG shows me the ambiguity, accompanied with a page of regular results.  Notice the difference in the links?  Google: "...com/#blahblahblahblahNeroblahblahblahblah" Definitely trustworthy.  DDG: ".com/?q=Nero" Nice, clean and simple.  My paper is required to contain information for how Nero is influential in the modern world, after following the ambiguity link, I am taken to plenty of useful links to great resources, and the zero-click updated to include categories.  Category one (aside from general knowledge) Nero in popular culture tada, I have what I need.  Google: scrolling through pages and pages or results, not finding anything useful.
 * DDG is also a massive time saver. Someone asks for a song recommendation, and I can get it to them in under five seconds.  My firefox has omnibar, so I can just use my search bar inside the address bar.  I want to show them Within Temptation's "Stand My Ground," so I just type "Within Temptation Stand My Ground !yt" into DDG, follow a link on the youtube result pages, and paste it.  Done.  No fiddling with search provider drop downs, now typing in youtube.com and entering in their search field, no nonsense.  Just speed and efficiency.
 * DDG's result pages are clean. White space, and a green highlight on the result you're hovering over.  Google's pages are walls of laggy JS UI, time filters (which are unnecessary when you get the results you want immediately) and Google account stuff.  It is a Search Engine all I want from it is the results I want, with the least headache.  DDG provides this, where google only frustrated.
 * tl;dr google is cumbersome to get good results from, DDG is not. And can google do this? More features, better results, cleaner pages, serious privacy, and the fastest way to search the internet out there (yes, I challenge anyone to find anything faster) make DDG my choice.
 * If this isn't enough, I can certainly write more. ∵Scythe∵ 18:15, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Good music is good music. Kudo's for knowing Within Tempation. They're from The Netherlands you know... Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 18:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delain is from the Netherlands too (WT's first keyboardist left to make Delain), and yes Sharon Den Adel is quite awesome. Guilt Machine is dutch, too, though I'm not quite sure where Arjen is from, but I think it's the Netherlands.  I know a lot of dutch music, and I make a point of knowing where my bands are from, and who they are :) ∵Scythe∵ 18:25, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Arjen? Or Aryen? Arnout aka The Emperors Angel 18:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not seeing what you're seeing. My top 4 results for "simpson's characters" were identical for DDG and Google (except that google also gave me a link to images, which DDG did not). Ditto for "Nero."


 * However, that does answer my question of why you like DDG more. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 18:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Arjen Anthony Lucassen is Dutch as well, yes. Damn near famous for Ayreon. I also very much enjoy Star One (space metal with sci-fi movie refs), and Ambeon's a nice change of pace occasionally. Inarguably one of my favorite composers.
 * Btw; if I just press f6-tab (f6 selects the adress bar, tab switches to the search bar, which is Google in my case), enter "Within Temptation stand my ground", I get three YT search results. Don't even need any !tags for Google to find it on the 'tubes. They're all actually what I searched for as well. 0.08 seconds. I don't see how DDG would be faster. As-fast, sure. But that's it. --Vipermagi 18:36, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * @TEF: Fast, clean, efficient, no nonsense.
 * @Viper, youtube is a moderately poor choice of example, as it's owned by google, so they encorperate it into their results. Try a broader spectrum, can you easily get to direct amazon, bing, yahoo, wolfram|alpha, or most other major sites through google?  Star one is much wub, btw. ∵Scythe∵ 18:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * First results:  (Yahoo.com is second result). Does that answer your question? Just typing in "Ayreon" or "Star One" pops up Arjen's main page as the first result as well, while we're on the subject :p Third/fourth result is the WP article, respectively. --Vipermagi 18:52, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Through google ie: does google have anything like (and as fast as) bang? ∵Scythe∵ 19:19, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what that whole bang thing is about. Haven't really followed the whole convo, truth be told. I just gave the first result for "amazon", "bing", etc. Since they all popped up as expected, I'd say: "Yes, I can easily get to 'most other major sites' though Google." --Vipermagi 19:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) go to DDG
 * 2) type in &lt;product> !a
 * 3) ???
 * 4) Profit
 * ∵Scythe∵ 19:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, in that sense. "Amazon Space Metal", first result: Star One's album Space Metal. Generally gets you what you searched for. Doesn't quite work for Wolframe Alpha, though. I don't see why you'd want to get search results from a search engine through a search engine (ex. Bing), though. Seems a little... redundant, to me? --Vipermagi 20:12, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's more than just one engine, it uses results from google, bing, yahoo, ask, Wolfram for calculations, etc. It's pooling and cross referencing a bunch of engines, as well as its own bot.  'Tis metasearch. ∵Scythe∵ 20:39, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Re: Nero: I've scanned to the fourth result down on google in less than two seconds; on DDG, I'm still stuck on the red box by that time. I'd click on "Nero, Roman emperor" on DDG because it promises me to "Get results for different meanings of Nero", and the result actually gets worse: where DDG had the wikipedia article about the emperor listed as the third result on the initial query, choosing that link yields me 5 links that I need to skip - and the red box has changed function, now containing a relevant link. (Btw, wolfram alpha tells me that Nero is a crater of the moon, a meaning that DDG isn't aware of at all.)
 * On google, my workflow is different: I search for "nero", think "Oh shit, didn't think about those other meanings", refine my search to "emperor Nero" and look at 12/12 relevant search results, including images and google's timeline. When I drill down the timeline, and choose this millenium, I get some mentions of Nero in the news, which would probably be relevant to your paper. (In earlier times, Google used the Open Directory project to get good page suggestions in similar ways to how DDG works now.)
 * Of course, on a mobile device with a touch screen, entering another keyword is going to be much more of a chore than using my keyboard on my home PC, so DDG's got an ergonomic point there (that doesn't apply to me).
 * With DDG, you have to sort of decide whether you're going with their red box or use them for web searches. When I want to link people to a plain web search (no red boxes or anything), because I want them to be aware of the fact that there are many foreign exchange sites they can choose to visit without recommending a particular one, I'd rather link them to google. Though maybe we could support the Open Directory Project and link to dmoz.org instead. --◄mendel► 03:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you're going for the "oh shit is this what I want?" theory, then DDG wins by a landslide. Red box asks if you're looking for the emperor, you say yes, red box updates with a portion of a wikipedia article, and at least 3 links to it.  Below that is a group of common 'categories' (though I think of them more as sub-topics) that are exactly what I'm looking for, Nero in popular culture, an expedition he underwent, and a close/hide link to show more.  That would put the information I want as the "Result #1 in large obtrusive red box (=emphasis)" result, which is far better than google's 4th link.  In a way, DDG isn't fully about the results (though for me, it has excellent results 95% of the time), it's about the way it can understand and interpret your query in a way that google simply can't.  When researching, I rarely need more than zero-click, its wp links, and its categories.  When linking to something (such as that youtube video) I don't need results, as I just bang my way to the youtube page of results.
 * To explore a better context, DDG wins in boolean workings. The NFL debate topic for January was "Should teens who commit vicious felonies be tried and sentence as adults [paraphrased from memory]."  I query my search (ddg vs. google) and gather some general knowledge and opinion from the internet.  Taking the second step, and looking for credible sources, I try to get registered education domains, so I append AND .edu to my query.  ddg gives me exactly what I'm looking for, with links to several universities and highschool publications.  google, however just...kind of farts and does nothing.
 * tl;dr I use DDG because it's an information and resource tool, and serves me better than google. It's privacy is superior, and it's partially open-source. ∵Scythe∵ 04:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And never works. Try this next time in Google. -> teens should be tried as adults site:.edu . Advanced Search usually helps with the first try of searching. Especially if you're looking for specifics on certain sites, etc.. tl;dr here's my results on google and on ddg. Least with google, you don't have a double site showing up twice as first two results. Ariyen 04:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, AND is implicit in google, but yeah. The site: search gives 10/10 relevant results from .edu domains; Scythe'S "AND .edu" DDG search nets a total of 2/10 relevant results from .edu domains (4 are not from .edu domains, and another 4 are not about your topic). --◄mendel► 05:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The Mac OS kernel is partially open source too. That makes it superior to Windows, amirite? [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 04:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Felix gets the prize for "most offtopic post of the day". :-P --◄mendel► 05:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you know you're going to want wikipedia, why not go for that right away? With the red box, I'm at the mercy of the DDG editors/algorithms; with a web search (and the various ways to refine it) I feel more in control and less at the whim of editorial control. Fine if it works for you, but no reason to evangelize it IMHO. --◄mendel► 05:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * afaik, DDG is no way edits the transcluded text from wikipedia (hence calling it transcluded, not stolen). DDG has better categorization than wikipedia does (or at least, more user friendly, everything on wp is in 9001 categories/projects, and it's just a mess to follow).  DDG "thinks" about my queries, in that it strips them down to keywords (which google half-does) so that when I do search Nero, the computer can refine my search down to a specific set of wp pages. ∵Scythe∵ 19:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You are confusing me. I meant that I am at the whim of whatever DDG chooses to put in the red box. Are you saying that they're always putting Wikipedia content in there? If so, then it definitely lacks the credits that the Creative Commons license requires. --◄mendel► 00:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not just wp, it's only wp in a information based example. If you ask it for math, it will put wolfram or its own calculations (for simple math) in the red box.  For pricing I believe it would use bing, but I don't search prices online (as it would do no good at my age) so I'm not sure. ∵Scythe∵ 19:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Look at the 'goodies' and tech pages for zero-click sources that you'd be interested in. ∵Scythe∵ 19:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

ragged indents
I've noticed that your talkpage posts often have "ragged" left edges as you change indents from paragraph to paragraph (see above), making it seem as if you replied to yourself and forgot to sign your first post - very irritating. Why do you do that? --◄mendel► 05:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As per a recent discussion on Ariyen's talk page, it's perfectly acceptable to rearrange indents to improve readability. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 18:35, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I think mendel's point is that Scythe's indents don't improve readability, however. They also have no relevance to the comment threading.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 19:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * But my point is that you can fix his indents if you don't like them. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 19:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyone can edit my indents at wish, I followed the logical order of standard indenting format in order of reply. re: I reply to an indent 6-deep with a 7-deep, and then reply to the 7-deep below the 6-deep with an 8-deep.  Should I simply put @mendel @TEF @Ari before the paragraphs for more clarity? ∵Scythe∵ 19:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh. I seem to be channeling a lot of fail today.  &mdash;Dr Ishmael Diablo_the_chicken.gif 20:08, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Mendel was (in how I read it) referring to, for example, this edit. The second paragraph is indented one further, while it is part of the same comment, and seemed to be in response to the same comment as well. It now looks like the second paragraph is a response to the first at first glance. --Vipermagi 20:09, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, that one's just a editing at 12:30 AM fail, fixing. ∵Scythe∵ 20:30, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth... — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I find that style of indentation.... — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Confusing to follow. (yes, this is an overexaggeration) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 20:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're not supposed
 * to sign each one. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 21:20, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You're doing it wrong, Failix.
 * They're not supposed to be the same sentence.
 * Amateur. --Vipermagi 21:27, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Resetting Indent.
 * Needless movement just for lolz.
 * Expecting haiku?--Łô√ë [[Image:Gigathrash_sig_G.jpg]]<font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 21:32, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent)

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 * p
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 * (As to be expected from the Gigster: well done!) — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 21:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

You
You remove my comments on the content, claiming pa (Where?). You claim you can govern your page as you wish. You ignore others, including those who show you the truth between the two search engines. You want to push ddg and have it on pages, when people post what they find to suite the best. You don't understand that each person has their own search engine to use, be it whatever they like. I really hope your attitude changes for the better, because all I see is you causing disruption and not bothering to help. I know you'll remove this, but I hope a sysop would step up to see your disruptions and issues that you lash out including that people ignore you, because of this I hope the appropriate actions are taken. Despite that you can do what you wish on your talk page, doesn't give you permission to be disrespectful of which was taken back here, because of it. If someone is trying to ignore you - don't bother them on their talk page. Ariyen 03:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You're a fucking hypocrit ∵Scythe∵ 19:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not the one constantly after someone who wants to ignore you, unlike you are. 72.148.31.114 05:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 06:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, check this page. 72.148.31.114 06:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

your discussion style
I've told you repeatedly that I feel that many points you make are badly supported and represent a half-knowledge that take a lot of effort in research and argument to unseat. This has always made discussing with seem more of a chore than it ought to have been. However, in recent days you have taken this several steps further. You have used [ scare tactics] and [ falsehoods] in discussion, without visible regret. You have used ad hominem attacks numerous times, "hypocrite" seeming your current favorite. You have [ suppressed] opposing argument in a discussion, and you have taken out a conflict in another venue by insulting close family profanely [ on the wiki]. If I was you, I'd have that edit summary deleted ASAP because it will reflect badly on you for 99% of the people who read it, potential future colleagues or employers among them. .

For these reasons, discussions with you aren't fun any more. Since this is not my job, but a hobby, I am going to give it up for the most part. It's been a blast, sorry it had to end. --◄mendel► 10:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The edit to my userpage had absolutely nothing to do with the wiki, I moved out of my house for two days, hence the mobile editing at wifi hotspots.
 * I think we can all agree that everyone is a hypocrite to some extent. I believe that there is no perfection, and that ideological society cannot succeed (eg: the failures of communism).
 * How do I present half-knowledge? If you mean zero-click, then I believe you are wrong, as I've told you all I know about it (far more than you, as you know more than me about advance searching google).  If anything, you've displayed half-knowledge into diluting what I wrote into wikipedia being the only source.
 * As long as we're criticizing tactics and debate skill, I'd like to point out that I know exactly how you always win arguments, and why they take effort to defeat. Quite frankly, you suffocate information.  You drown it in a sea of points that take time and careful research to defeat (eg: DDG not being secure, which went unresolved).  You apply massive slant, comparable to FOX news.  That is to say, your passion for the points you defend lead you to (or you decide to?) over-exaggerate negative.  eg: Your freak out/panic when you had your first contact with zero-click.  It's not over-emphasised on the page, it's simply there to provide a summarized overview of the topic, which I find extremely useful for the kind of searching I do (eg: encountering a new concept in programming/mathematics/philosophy/psychology and simply wanting to know a little bit about it.  [further eg: how data is put on cds, I did not require linking to the red book standard or any of that, I merely wanted to know how it was done.  That is not to say that I did not find the further information good to know.])  You say google did not get hacked, and deny that aurora happened.  Unless McAfee was wrong, google, adobe, and microsoft were all successfully attacked.  That being said, a corperate giant like google would do everything in its power to cover up being hacked.
 * To summarize the paragraph above, I find your label of "half knowledge" to be incorrect. It's information has actually proven to be on-par with my school, and better in certain cases/areas.  I believe this is due to your nature of being an expert in everything, that is to say, you're highly competitive, and strive to be better.  My civics/economics/psychology teacher once said Germans (and he knows many) were extremely proud, and my experiences with those I've met (poke, c418, and yourself among them) have proven him to be correct.  A compact version would simply be that zero-click is fine for most people, but those looking for details and specifics are looking in the wrong place.  Zero-click is there to summarize and organize information.
 * I find debates between us to be (in general) simply a contest of who has the greatest credit in the field (you) and who can apply the more dramatic/effective spin in the situation, as we are both highly opinionated. This being said, I often find it to be a uphill battle against your expertise, backing, and skill, as well as going against the mainstream grain, but I enjoy the challenge and opportunity to better my debate skills.
 * You once (be it here or on irc I don't recall) made a deft off-hand cut at my debate skills, when you'd not seen them (something along the lines of "but thanks for putting your debate prows in perspective for me," implying that you thought I had somehow hyped myself to be more/better than I am.) I hope our debates here have proved to you that despite my age and ethnicity, I am not a, for lack of a better word, noob when it comes to debate.
 * Your claim of falsehood is incorrect, and equifax did not sign google (screenshot: here). Equifax did, however sign ddg.  As I said before, nothing makes me want to get the hell away from google faster than seeing that no third party organization was involved in certifying their secure server.
 * True, my favorite cynic label [on the internet] lately has been hypocrite, but that is in part due to the rather bleak state of my future education. That being said, in a professional environment it would be unacceptable, however this is a wiki, an organization contributed to in 100% charity work.  You can only push professional so far.  I'm also 15, and imo doing well for myself so far.
 * tl;dr I'm a junior mendel (which I believe bothers him) and a philosopher-to-be. ∵Scythe∵ 02:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't appreciate
I don't appreciate you calling me a whore on tumblr. So fucking off? No, because you don't know how to fuck off and leave others alone as well. Till you do, I'll be this hypocrite/mother hen, until you grow up. 72.148.31.114 15:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to ignore him then do so. Don't pay attention to anything he does. This is the polar opposite of ignoring him. &mdash; <font color="Black">Viruzzz 15:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * not easy for anyone to ignore him, when he pesters them on their talk page. I'm only adverting my ignores, to convey thoughts that one should hear. Like leaving others that don't wish to be bothered alone. 72.148.31.114 16:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "I don't appreciate you..."
 * You're not advertising anything; you're discussing an action of his with him. As said above, that's not ignoring him. It's paying attention, then proving that you're doing so beyond any shadow of a doubt.
 * Readme A_F_K_sig_2.jpg A F K When Needed 17:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Right now you're both baiting each other and you're both biting. Just stop caring. If you want to ignore him, just do it, don't read what he writes, look past his edits when they appear on RC and let others review them. &mdash; <font color="Black">Viruzzz 18:00, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Since when are you on tumblr? Anything said about you on tumblr was not done by me.  Last I knew your blog was on wordpress. ∵Scythe∵ 19:26, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey! Listen!
I'd like you to avoid posting on Ariyen's talk page and responding directly to anything she says for the next week. If I have to enforce that with a block I will. 18:24, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This went into effect immediately btw. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 20:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

drama
The drama started here today had absolutely nothing to do with this wiki. (Other than a slight influence from this.) From what I've learned, it was ignited entirely from events at GW@W and on #gwiki. I would appreciate if it all of you would strive to keep the drama contained to the venue where it started. &mdash;Dr Ishmael 00:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have lifted your block before its due expiration, but I do expect you to cease discussing GW@W bans and the ensuing side-topics for the remainder of its duration, and afterwards to discuss such things in a more appropriate place. If you cannot do so the block will be reinstated. Also, quit starting shit with Ariyen and mendel forever. [[Image:Felix_Omni_Signature.png|link=User:Felix Omni]] 09:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

YOU
If there is anyone I should be angry at it is YOU. Your actions on a DIFFERENT wiki were what lighted this entire damn thing in the first place. Don't deny it, don't lawyer it. Don't even fucking deny it, your actions were the puff of oxygen that ignited the smoldering anger. And it wasn't even on this wiki. Your very reputation was enough to break things here. This is it. This is your LAST CHANCE. EVER. I am putting you on super secret extended probation. For the next MONTH (Until 7/2/2011, 7:40 a.m. MY TIME) if you make an angry comment, a snide remark, incite an argument, or troll anyone on this wiki you will be permabanned. This applies to #gwiki as well, although if you get permaed from there, it will not equate to a ban here, and vice versa, but don't test me. Now, since I'm cursed with a reasonable continence, I'm going to offer to help you through this month. To start with, this is what you are going to do: When you connect to #gwiki or get on GWiki, I want you to forget about irl issues. You have no mother, you don't care about your computer, you don't even listen to music. To help with this I'm going to teach you a relaxation technique that I use. This will help you clear your mind so you can think without outside influences. It won't eliminate them entirely, but it will help. Now: Lie prone in your chair, or even lying on the ground if your more comfortable. Concentrate on your breathing until it is the only thing you are thinking about. Focus on each breath, so that you are in direct control and not breathing automatically. Then start by wiggling your toes. Curl and uncurl them and move them back and forth, then your arches, then your feet, your ankles, your lower legs. If sitting up let them dangle and spin them in circles. Slowly work your way up, moving all the muscles one at a time until you've gotten a feel for them until you've reached your chest, then do the same process from your fore head down. End with the neck. Move your chest around. Start with the inner arms and work outwards. When you are finished with your fingers, lie still for awhile. Then, get up, and get on the computer. Oh yah, and close your eyes during this. If you feel like you can't do it, and you really need to confront someone, talk to me first. Private message me in irc, I'll try to be on much more. I will help if you are willing to try. In conclusion: Stop picking fights. You are not always right. The backhand way is ALWAYS the worst way. Wikilawyering gets you punched in the nads. With that said: Either you can fix your problems, or I can fix them. And you will not like my fix.--Łô√ë <font color="Black">îğá†ħŕášħ 13:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

deal breaker. ∵Scythe∵ 19:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I extend you a similar offer: feel free to email me to whinge. I promise to listen rather than parse your rhetoric (and, of course, it will help if you give me a heads-up, e.g. [expletives not deleted ). If I can help by being a lightning rod (so that we don't have to find out what an angry Giga looks like...), I am happy to do so. Cheers. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "you don't even listen to music."

Quit: mauirixxx: hi, f**k you, and I'm leaving
why the hate? Ok sorry no more pictures of man boobs :P <3 Mauirixxx 02:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Obv troll was obv, also, don't bring #gwiki drama to Gwiki. ∵Scythe∵ 19:21, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * <3 Was just wondering where you went, we was having fun I thought :) Mauirixxx 19:43, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 12:30 in the morning, presumably I went to bed. ∵Scythe∵ 20:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sleep when you're dead? Fun first, sleep later :P Nobody is talking IRC today. Damn their day jobs! Mauirixxx 20:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll sleep whenever I damn well please! ∵Scythe∵ 20:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * NO! Mauirixxx 20:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nooo, you are borg. We assimilated you. ^.^ Ariyen 20:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah hell ... when did that happen? Mauirixxx 21:00, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

BORG
<BR>WE WILL ASSIMILATE YOU. JUST AN FYI. Mauirixxx 21:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Not if I hit you with battery and asult first. ∵Scythe∵ 21:23, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If you do, then I get to assimilate from behind. ^.^ Ariyen 21:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Borg nano-injector strap-on? --[[Image:El Nazgir sig.png|Talkpage]]<font color="Green">El_Nazgir 21:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rofl. They inject with their hands and not in a perverted way! Rofl. Ariyen 21:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just realized .. that BORG is Ariyen! And Scythe, no matter what they say - BORG always ASSimilate from behind! Mauirixxx 23:43, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll BORG ASSimilate you from behind. ∵Scythe∵ 01:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, it's me. I own the only copy to that photo (as it's in my dining room atm). LOL. I had fun making it. :-) Ariyen 02:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Learning
Y'know, Scythe, in my years of editing wikis - I'll admit it certainly took a while - at one stage the penny dropped. Being good at arguing, and not arguing at every possible opportunity, tend to go hand in hand. As I've slowly improved on the former, I've observed the latter becoming more and more true of me.

I know in theory the more you practise, the better you get. Sure, experience helps. To a point. But the more you argue for the sake of arguing, the less clearly you see a situation. The more you see someone in particular being spoken to and jump in because you can, the less receptive people are to your points. Because we do sort of notice.

People can argue for many reasons. One is because they see someone, who they like being put down, is getting spoken to and they wish to join in. That's not a motivation that'll earn your opinion value among the community. It has some worth automatically, but how much is up to you. At the moment, forgive me, I daresay it's not a lot.

It's not up to Mendel to realize he's wrong in an argument for your standing in the community to improve. It's not up to Ariyen... y'know, I don't know what your deal is with her. I don't care. It's not up to anyone else to make people respect you more than they do currently. It's up to you.

The more arguments you are involved in, the more you become associated with arguments. People don't care if what you're saying is right or wrong. For your sake and ours, a little break from arguments would do more good than you could begin to imagine. A F K When Needed 15:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * @Scythe: I support the statement above. I would also add: the more Drama you become involved with, the more people associate you with Drama. If that is not your goal, then now is a good time to consider a change in approach. — Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF ) 16:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Read, considered. And I mean that in a I thought about what you said way, not a "debating doing it" way. ∵Scythe∵ 19:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)