User talk:Tupu/Build Archive/Build:N/Mo Solo Bladed Aatxe and Grasping Nightmare UW

Build talk:N/Mo Solo Bladed Aatxe and Grasping Nightmare UW/Archive

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Favored: ]] 14:27, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Rofl thats fast. Um favoured.--D2mongoose 22:56, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) Does intended purpose well. &mdash; Skuld 10:14, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Hehe, now I love Skuld :)[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 15:55, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) agree with skuld, gets the job done (fast!) but i prefer an SS solo that can get smites too. favored. 76.19.223.231 15:02, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * You can't do an SS solo that can get the smites, they have smite hexes, and you have to kill the grasping darkness to get to the smites in the first place.  Which is an imposible task for a 55 ss that is getting pounded by interupters and dazers.
 * ^ disagree. bring a cover hex for smites, let them smite that, put SS on and cover it. bring Guardian for interrupts, or use bait spells on the aatxes and sit through the first wave of grasping interrupts. not nearly impossible. check this out, all you have to do is instead of trunning into the fray, grab aatxes, hide behind spirits, reenchant, and kill. it IS possible. 76.19.223.231 20:29, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) Well I have used this build all way longer then its on wiki lol it rocks although I use a bit difrent skills
 * I use orison of healing and blood renewal may sound silly but he, you get interrupted a lot it can get good so you can always survive and it also manages great with energy (blood renewal can be kept up if you just have a totem axe and anything with +20 enchantments) anyway I think I will say congrats you finally put it on wiki so guildwars can nerf it 2 -.-" well done
 * [[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 17:34, 26 March 2007 (CDT) No voting in your own build. --[[User:Sigm@|Sig mA
 * OMG, look at the IP on that, its not me, i swear, they just coppied and pasted my signature. GAH.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 17:16, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * More interesting is that they voted in both Favored and Unfavored in the same edit. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   17:21, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Really? Gosh...[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 17:46, 27 March 2007 (CDT)> Do we take out the unfavored vote too? Since we can't determine if the voter voted favored or unfavored?[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 07:03, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) haha niiice. Great job usin ur noggin [[Image:Asterisk.jpg]] AmericanVlad 09:13, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) SV+PS+55HP FTW. nice job. btw, Honorable Sarah is a bit of a jerk sometimes, ignore her/him. -- Xeones [[image:Xeones.jpg]] 10:31, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Unfavored:
 * 1) It's not really good. It's more easy if you use this build:

watchful is only needed to kill the graspings so you dont need healing breeze while fighting them. and cast protective spirit before casting spoile victor and you wont die even if they daze you.
 * How would that work? You only have 5 pips of regen, against aatxes that would be super hard to deal with, since they have bleeding, and interuptions.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 17:20, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) What if they get below 55HP and you can't finish them off?--Eloc 02:27, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
 * THAT was just explained ABOVE below. LOL.69.132.174.156 06:55, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

Merge
 * 1) Covered in variants of . Quote: "Replacing Watchful Spirit with Vigorous Spirit and Vampiric Touch with Plague Touch opens up a lot of possibilities. Vigorous Spirit maybe be used as a cover enchantment versus enchantment removal or a cheaper heal than Healing Breeze when down to one or two attackers. When using Vigorous Spirit as a cover, it's usually best to cast Protective Spirit, then Vigorous Spirit, then Healing Breeze immediately before attacking the target mesmer or necro (Kournan Seers are one example of where this works very well). Plague Touch is useful to remove conditions such as Dazed from the Grasping Darknesses in the Underworld, or Deep Wound when fighting Stoneaxe Hekets while farming greens like the Eye of Argon and Balthazar's Fury though removing Deep Wound isn't always a good idea, since you end up taking less damage which makes you harder to kill." –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 20:29, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * 2) I agree.. this build is nearly identical to the N/Mo Boss Farmer, you just changed two skills because you felt that vigorous spirit was more effective. I agree that it is more effective, but I do not think that you need a completely different wiki page in order to state that. - [[Image:Order of the Vampire.jpg|12px]] Threll 13:27, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Discussion
I will make screenshot for this later, there is already enough information in the stubs to begin using the build successfully. (t-c) 23:55, 24 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Why bother with the grasps? --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   23:58, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
 * An UW based semi-varient of . --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]   00:06, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * THAT, cannot farm the Blased Aatxe, and please hold on so I can get out some proofs through screenshots.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 00:19, 25 March 2007 (CDT)


 * absolutly right, voting on a build stub is bad. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 00:18, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * you TAG build stubs, not vote on them. silly me --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 00:19, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * tis ok :), im have screenshots that will be uploaded in under 10 min to prove you wrong :).[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 00:20, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * my point is not that it doesn't work. my point is that it is already covered and  --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 00:24, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

vigorous spirit is useless, plague touch is useless.... vigorous->watchful spirit and plag touch->vamp touch... that way u can also solo smites and coldfires.
 * VIGOROUS, is not watchful spirit, you seem to not understand, everytime you attack, you gain 15 health WITHOUT ccasting another spell, this is useful because the Aataxe and Grasping Nightmare INTERUPT healing breeze, and 5 health regen is just not enough. WHY cant people just test the dumb build.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 07:53, 25 March 2007 (CDT)


 * btw, look at ths >>>> Criteria for deletion Honorable Sarah, it clearly states that this build jas unique info, and it has not even been vetted upon yet. you have NO RIGHT, to dellete this build.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 07:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Now just slow down. Putting a Candidate for deletion tag on a page is not deleting it and any GWikian can put a CfD tag on a page.  In all fairness I think merge may be more appropriate if the build is more effective than the existing SV/55 build and it's varients.  The Delete tag is meant to inspire discussion. --JP 08:14, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Just Adding, i dont think its a good idea to have superior death as one of your runes. Superior death magic is incredibly expensive and you dont use any death magic skills. I think its much better to have 2 superior curses instead. You get the extra -75 health without the ginormous price tag. 14:33, 26 March 2007 (CDT)


 * I will add later that you dont need it, but you will need another rune for it to bring your health down.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 15:55, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

the delete tag
You have a 2 points that make no sense, those 55's that you pointed out will NOT solo any creature in UW. (t-c) 00:34, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * the build is identical to the second (with the change of plauge touch, which might actually slow it down) and the concept is covered already in the first. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 00:35, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Um, no it is not, there is no Vamp skill, my build has other sources of healing that CANNOT be interupted. That build has 0 energy regeneration.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 00:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * ok, ok. if i have a two builds, and my build has 6 out of 8 skills the same, the same rune configuration, and the same tactics, isn't it the same build? --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 00:41, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * no, completely 2 different builds... gosh lets just let the COMMUNITY decide, rather than 1 person to dellete the buid.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 00:44, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * for the record, i can't delete the build. i can only flag it for administrator delete. so it's really two. i'm of the opinion the two evidence builds i sited should be merged. in fact. i think i'll go tag them --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 00:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * ok do w/e, i dont really care arguing, not letting the community know how to farm UW again with a necro is GREAT, sure lets do it.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 00:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * btw, look at ths >>>> Criteria for deletion Honorable Sarah, it clearly states that this build jas unique info, and it has not even been vetted upon yet. you have NO RIGHT, to dellete this build.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 07:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * AND THIS >>>> Don't immediately delete, SHOWS WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT WIKI.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 07:58, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * in response to your reference to GW:DEL, the page is not unique, as referenced by the two evidence articles, and is not usefull, because it redundantly covers the information from the evidenced articles. in response to GW:DID, as mentioned before, i cannot delete the page, only flag it for delete, which is one of the sugguested remedies. --Honorable Sarah [[image:Honorable_Icon.gif]] 13:12, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Um, I see that PoG makes a point. Looking at the history of this page Honorable Sarah DID put a dellete tag on this build less than 12 minutes after it was completely made.67.33.242.38 16:34, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Support delete. –Ichigo724 16:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

besides the point that is wont work theres nothing new here, so it should be deleted.--Coloneh RIP 00:23, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

I checked the suggested pages for UW soloage, and guess what - they didn't mention anything about it, let alone have a walkthrough! &mdash; Skuld 10:12, 26 March 2007 (CDT)


 * WOOO![[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 18:53, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

"new" R-a-B
Hey, look! A user with no other contributions just created a new R-a-B and voted favored, with no changes to the original build. In Italics. This is getting a bit old... --   17:04, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Whoops, I'm blind, don't mind me. The Italics still bother me though. --[[image:rollerzerris.jpg|50x19px]]    17:05, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
 * LOL, *sigh*, I don't see what some people from the last R-a-B's don't like this build =(.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 18:52, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

Kind of slow with spoil's 20 recharge? Caramel Ni 20:30, 26 March 2007 (CDT)
 * ...spoil has 10 recharge. –Ichigo724[[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 20:38, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

Name
Sheez what is it with these ridiculous long names the last time.. plz rename --Sig mA   14:23, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry, I thought of a name of the build for a long time, nothing would fit.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 17:24, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

Question: What do you do when the monster gets under your health? =| Caramel Ni 17:20, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
 * They don't, one cast of spoil victor kills each monster :P, and if they DO survive, start attacking another one, they have 3 pips of regen, so there health recovers to above 55 relatively quickly.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 17:24, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

How about N/Mo Spoil Vic Solo UW ? Edwina Elbert  02:03, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Erm
This is basically a copy of an existing build, that could simply have a note in it that would explain how it works in UW. No reason for a duplicate build imo. Slvrwolf 12:18, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
 * When you look at skuld's explanation, this build is basically a guide, that guild wiki does not have.[[Image:Pogsigv2.jpg]] (t-c) 09:39, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Troo, and it is different than the boss farmer, give or take the differences the outhor is different and the build is used for different purposes... and it works :) Mister Muscolo [[image:Charging_Strike.jpg|19px]] 12:55, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

Scythe
Man, use a scythe and vigorous spirit for 3+ groups, and then switch to a sword/axe, you won't ever need healing breeze... -- Fexghadi 07:58, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

HALP!
The way the method is describes seems to describe an impossibility. There is no way, from what I have seen, to aggro the aatxe and get them to fall off of you WITHOUT a speed boost. How is it that all these other people are getting results? O_o