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'''''Note: this is an essay about signing your comments on talk pages. It is neither a policy of the GuildWiki, nor a guideline. Unsigned comments are assigned the same value as signed comments.'''''
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When signing posts on GuildWiki talk pages, use a reasonable signature. This policy defines guidelines for determining the reasonableness of a used signature. The policy should be interpreted as defining when and how signatures should be used, not that signatures must be used. '''''Unsigned comments are assigned the same [[GW:YOU|value]] as signed comments.'''''
   
Signing your posts on [[Wikipedia:Talk pages|talk pages]] and other Guildwiki discourse (but ''not'' on articles) is not only good [[Wikipedia:Etiquette|etiquette]]; it also facilitates discussion by helping other users to identify the author of a particular comment, to navigate talk pages, and to address specific comments to the relevant user(s), among other things. Discussion is an important part of collaborative editing as it helps other users to understand the progress and evolution of a work.
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Signing your posts on talk pages and other Guildwiki discourse (but ''not'' on articles) is not only good etiquette; it also facilitates discussion by helping other users to identify the author of a particular comment, to navigate talk pages, and to address specific comments to the relevant user(s), among other things. Discussion is an important part of collaborative editing as it helps other users to understand the progress and evolution of a work.
   
 
== The purpose of signatures on Guildwiki ==
 
== The purpose of signatures on Guildwiki ==
 
 
Signatures on Guildwiki
 
Signatures on Guildwiki
 
* Identify you as a user, and your contributions to Guildwiki.
 
 
* Enable other editors to recognise the user name (or IP address) of the person who made a given statement, and the date and time at which it was made
* identify you as a user, and your contributions to Guildwiki.
 
 
* Encourage civility in discussions by identifying the author of a particular comment
* enable other editors to recognise the [[Wikipedia:User name|user name]] (or [[Wikipedia:IP|IP]]) of the person who made a given statement, and the date and time at which it was made
 
* encourage civility in discussions by identifying the author of a particular comment
 
   
 
==When signatures should be used==
 
==When signatures should be used==
 
 
Any post made to
 
Any post made to
 
* User talk pages
 
* user talk pages
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* Article talk pages
* article talk pages
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* Other discussion pages
 
should be signed.
* other discussion pages
 
 
should be signed.
 
   
 
On the other hand, signatures on Guildwiki are not intended to indicate ownership or authorship of any Guildwiki article. Edits to articles or to the Main Page should ''not'' be signed. There are certain other instances when posts should not be signed; in these cases, specific instructions are provided to contributors.
 
On the other hand, signatures on Guildwiki are not intended to indicate ownership or authorship of any Guildwiki article. Edits to articles or to the Main Page should ''not'' be signed. There are certain other instances when posts should not be signed; in these cases, specific instructions are provided to contributors.
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== Customizing your signature ==
 
== Customizing your signature ==
   
Registered users can customize their signature by going to [[Special:Preferences]] and changing the field "Nickname". The software automatically places '''<nowiki>[[User:<yourusername>|</nowiki>''' and '''<nowiki>]]</nowiki>''' around the text entered in this field, so that whatever nickname you choose to use as a signature will be linked to your [[Wikipedia:User page|user page]]. Although not a policy, it is common practice (and common courtesy) to use a signature name that is either identical or closely related to your account name, or your real name. Likewise, signatures that obscure your account name to the casual reader may be seen as disruptive.
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Registered users can customize their signature by going to [[Special:Preferences]] and changing the field "Custom signature". A substituted signature should resemble to some degree the username it represents. Signatures that obscure an account name to the casual reader may be seen as disruptive.
   
If you want to use a more complex signature (for instance, including your own [[Wikipedia:WP:HEP#Wiki_markup|Wiki markup]] and [[wikipedia:HTML element|HTML markup]]), you can choose the "Raw signatures (without automatic link)" checkbox in your Preferences. Just fill the "Your nickname" field with your desired signature, exactly as you want it to be substituted for the tildes. Be aware that even the raw signatures option treats markup very strictly, and some markup which works in normal pages will not work in signatures — see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:How to fix your signature|Wikipedia:How to fix your signature]] if you are having problems.
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If you want to use a more complex signature (for instance, including your own [[Wikipedia:WP:HEP#Wiki_markup|Wiki markup]] and [[wikipedia:HTML element|HTML markup]]), you can choose the "Raw signatures (without automatic link)" checkbox in your Preferences. Just fill the "Your nickname" field with your desired signature (or a subpage from your user space), exactly as you want it to be substituted for the tildes. Be aware that even the raw signatures option treats markup very strictly, and some markup which works in normal pages will not work in signatures.
   
 
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|[[User:Example|<font color="Blue">'''Lead By Example'''</font>]] [[User talk:Example|''<font color="Blue">talk</font>'']] {{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)
 
|[[User:Example|<font color="Blue">'''Lead By Example'''</font>]] [[User talk:Example|''<font color="Blue">talk</font>'']] {{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)
 
|}
 
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When using markup to customize your signature, please consider the following:
 
*The inclusion of images in your signature is distracting to many users, puts a small but unnecessary drain on the servers, and can badly distort the normal display of talk pages (especially if the image link should become broken, or the viewer has images turned off in their browsers). Images in signatures are discouraged.
 
*Superscript and subscript characters can disrupt line spacing causing problems in some browsers.
 
*The talk page link may be "disguised" in some signatures—it might look like a last name, or even the last letter of a name, or a single symbol. Hovering the mouse pointer over the link should tell you (in a tooltip, browser status bar, or other) whether the link is pointing to "User", "User_talk", or something else.
 
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To learn more about how to make complex signatures, see [[Wikipedia:Tip of the day/June 30, 2006]].
 
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== Important considerations ==
 
== Important considerations ==
   
 
A distracting, confusing or otherwise unsuitable signature adversely affects other users. It can be disruptive to discourse on talk pages, or when working in the edit window. In particular, signatures that contain a lot of code ("markup") are often very long, making it difficult to read talk pages while editing (see below).
 
A distracting, confusing or otherwise unsuitable signature adversely affects other users. It can be disruptive to discourse on talk pages, or when working in the edit window. In particular, signatures that contain a lot of code ("markup") are often very long, making it difficult to read talk pages while editing (see below).
   
 
When customizing your signature, please keep the following in mind:
Obtrusive signatures have been the subject of Requests for Comment and of Arbitration rulings, as well as resulting in some very heated debates. In one case, a user who refused to alter an unsuitable signature was ultimately required to change it by the Arbitration Committee (See [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/-Ril-#Sig_change|-Ril-'s arbitration case]]). When customizing your signature, please keep the following in mind:
 
   
 
===Appearance and color===
 
===Appearance and color===
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'''Your signature should clearly identify the user, and not be disruptive to the talk pages.'''
   
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* User signatures must have a link to their user page or their user talk page.
'''Your signature should not blink, or otherwise inconvenience or be annoying to other editors.'''
 
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* Signature must show their user name or by other means make clear the user name.
 
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* Advertising and inappropriate content in signatures is not allowed.
* Markup such as <code>&lt;big&gt;</code> tags (which produce <big>big</big> text), or line breaks (<code>&lt;br /&gt;</code> tags) are to be avoided, since they disrupt the way that surrounding text displays
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* Markup such as <code>&lt;big&gt;</code>, <code>&lt;sup&gt;</code>, and <code>&lt;sub&gt;</code> tags (which produce <big>big</big>, <sup>sup</sup>, and <sub>sub</sub> text), are not allowed, as they disrupt the normal spacing between rows of text.
* Be sparing with superscript or subscript. In some cases, this type of script can also affect the way that surrounding text is displayed
 
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* Line breaks (<code>&lt;br /&gt;</code> tags) are not allowed as they disrupt the flow of text by artificially lengthening the display space for signatures.
* Avoid making your signature so small that it is difficult to read
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* Do not make your signature so small that it is difficult to read.
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* Do not use <code>&lt;blink&gt;</code> or other text animations as it causes visual disruption of the text page.
 
* In consideration of users with vision problems, be sparing with color. If you must use different colors in your signature, please ensure that the result will be readable by people with color blindness.
 
* In consideration of users with vision problems, be sparing with color. If you must use different colors in your signature, please ensure that the result will be readable by people with color blindness.
   
 
=== Images ===
 
=== Images ===
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'''Images should be used sparingly and not be large enough to disrupt normal text spacing.'''
   
'''Images of any kind should not be used in signatures.'''
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Images should meet the following guidelines:
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* The users signature may include one small icon. The icon's image file should not be larger than 50 pixels wide x 19 pixels tall.
 
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* The image file must redirect to the users user page or talk page.
Many concerns have been raised over the use of images in signatures, and they are considered to serve no use to the encyclopedia project. Images in signatures should not be used for several reasons:
 
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* The icon's image file should be exclusive for the signature, not shared with anything in GuildWiki. This allows for a redirect on the image file to the user page or the user talk page. Note: The image can be a duplicate of another image, if it's resized appropriately.
 
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* No animated images are permitted due to the visual disruption they cause within text pages.
* they are an unnecessary drain on server resources, and could cause server slowdown
 
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* a new image can be uploaded in place of the one you chose, making your signature a target for possible vandalism and [[Denial-of-service attack]]s
 
* they reduce searchability, making pages more difficult to read
 
* they make it more difficult to copy text from a page
 
* they are potentially distracting from the actual message
 
* in most [[Web browser|browsers]] images do not scale with the text, making lines with images higher than those without
 
* they clutter up the "file links" list on the image page every time you sign on a different talk page
 
* images in signatures give undue prominence to a given user's contribution
 
 
 
=== Language and alphabet ===
 
=== Language and alphabet ===
 
 
'''Signatures with non-latin script should also include latin script.'''
 
'''Signatures with non-latin script should also include latin script.'''
   
If your preferred signature consists of characters not in the [[latin alphabet]] ([[hànzì]], for example), you should include latin characters also. This is because characters not within the [[ASCII]] character set may not display properly for everyone. This is a particular problem for people who use [[screen reader]]s. This also makes it easier to search for your user name using the search function.
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All signatures should consists of characters in the latin alphabet. This is because characters not within the ASCII character set may not display properly for everyone. This also makes it easier to search for your user name using the search function.
 
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=== Length ===
 
=== Length ===
 
 
'''Keep signatures short, both in display and markup.'''
 
'''Keep signatures short, both in display and markup.'''
   
 
Long signatures with a lot of HTML/wiki markup make page editing more difficult. A 200 character signature, for instance, is likely to be larger than many of the comments to which it is appended, making discussion more difficult:
 
Long signatures with a lot of HTML/wiki markup make page editing more difficult. A 200 character signature, for instance, is likely to be larger than many of the comments to which it is appended, making discussion more difficult:
   
* signatures that take up more than two or three lines in the edit window clutter the page and make it harder to distinguish posts from signatures
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* Signatures that take up more than three lines (at 800x600 resolution) in the edit window clutter the page and make it harder to distinguish posts from signatures.
* long signatures give undue prominence to a given user's contribution.
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* Long signatures give undue prominence to a given user's contribution.
   
 
=== Transclusion/template ===
 
=== Transclusion/template ===
 
 
'''Do not use transclusion, templates or parser functions in signatures.'''
 
'''Do not use transclusion, templates or parser functions in signatures.'''
   
[[Wikipedia:transclusion|Transclusions]], [[Wikipedia:Template namespace|templates]], and [[m:Parser functions|parser functions]] in signatures (like those which appear as <tt><nowiki>{{</nowiki>User:Name/sig}}</tt>, for example) are avoidable drains on server resources. Transcluded signatures require extra processing. Whenever you change your signature source, all talk pages you have posted on must be [[Web cache|re-cached]].
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[[Wikipedia:transclusion|Transclusions]] and [[m:Parser functions|parser functions]] in signatures are avoidable drains on server resources. Transcluded signatures require extra processing. Whenever you change your signature source, all talk pages you have posted on must be re-cached.
   
Signature templates are also vandalism targets, and will be forever, even if the user leaves the project. Simple text signatures, which are stored along with the page content, use no more resources than the comments themselves and avoid these problems.
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Signature templates are also vandalism targets, and will be forever, even if the user stops contributing. Simple text signatures, which are stored along with the page content, use no more resources than the comments themselves and avoid these problems.
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* If a separate page is used to store the signature, the page should not be used as a signature by including it, but by substituting.
   
 
=== Internal links ===
 
=== Internal links ===
 
 
'''Use internal links sparingly.'''
 
'''Use internal links sparingly.'''
   
You may include a link to your talk page for people who want to discuss something with you person-to-person. Beyond that, use internal links sparingly. If you find a particular Guildwiki page useful, put it in your browser bookmarks, favorites list, or on your userpage&mdash;not in your signature.
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You may include a link to your user page and/or your user talk page for people who want to discuss something with you person-to-person. Beyond that, internal links should be avoided. If you find a particular Guildwiki page useful, put it in your browser bookmarks, favorites list, or on your userpage &mdash; not in your signature.
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* Do not include links to skills, builds, campaigns, characters, weapons, personal fun pages, etc in your signature.
   
 
=== External links ===
 
=== External links ===
 
 
'''Do not include links to external websites in your signature.'''
 
'''Do not include links to external websites in your signature.'''
   
Mass posting of links to a particular website is strongly discouraged on Guildwiki. Posting a link to an external website with each comment you make on a talk page is usually viewed as linkspamming, or an attempt to improve your website's ranking on search engines. Therefore, signatures must not include external links. If you want to tell other Guildwikians about a good website that you are associated with, you may do so on your user page.
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Signatures must not include external links. Posting a link to an external website with each comment you make on a talk page is usually viewed as linkspamming. If you want to tell other Guildwikians about a good website that you are associated with, you may do so on your user page.
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== Dealing with unsigned comments ==
 
== Dealing with unsigned comments ==
   
 
The template [[:Template:unsigned]] can be used at the end of an unsigned comment to attach the username or IP to the comment.
 
The template [[:Template:unsigned]] can be used at the end of an unsigned comment to attach the username or IP to the comment.
It is possible to ommit the date in the unsigned template and leave only the username.
 
   
 
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{| class="prettytable" cellpadding="5" border="1"
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|<nowiki>{{subst:unsigned|Example|23:59, 1 April, 2006 (UTC)}}</nowiki>
 
|<nowiki>{{subst:unsigned|Example|23:59, 1 April, 2006 (UTC)}}</nowiki>
 
|{{unsigned|Example|23:59, 1 April, 2006 (UTC)}}
 
|{{unsigned|Example|23:59, 1 April, 2006 (UTC)}}
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|<nowiki>{{subst:unisgned|</nowiki>''user name or ip''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
 
|<nowiki>{{subst:unsigned|Example}}</nowiki>
 
|{{unsigned|Example}}
 
 
|}
 
|}
   
 
<!--
 
The template [[:Template:unsigned2]] does almost the same as [[:Template:unsigned]] when used with two parameters, but the ordering of the parameters is reversed. This is useful for copying and pasting from the edit history, where the timestamp appears before the username. [[:Template:unsigned2]] also automatically adds the (CDT) at the end.
 
The template [[:Template:unsigned2]] does almost the same as [[:Template:unsigned]] when used with two parameters, but the ordering of the parameters is reversed. This is useful for copying and pasting from the edit history, where the timestamp appears before the username. [[:Template:unsigned2]] also automatically adds the (CDT) at the end.
 
Please note that it is not possible to ommit the date in the [[Template:unsigned2]].
 
   
 
{| class="prettytable" cellpadding="5" border="1"
 
{| class="prettytable" cellpadding="5" border="1"
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|{{unsigned2|23:59, 1 April, 2006|Example}}
 
|{{unsigned2|23:59, 1 April, 2006|Example}}
 
|}
 
|}
 
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== More about talk pages ==
 
 
See [[Wikipedia:Talk page]] for accepted conventions and guidelines regarding the use of talk pages.
 
 
   
 
[[Category:Helping out]]
 
[[Category:Helping out]]

Revision as of 03:56, 15 January 2007

Blue check

This page is an official policy on GuildWiki.

It has wide acceptance among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. Please use the talk page to propose changes.

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GW:SIGN


When signing posts on GuildWiki talk pages, use a reasonable signature. This policy defines guidelines for determining the reasonableness of a used signature. The policy should be interpreted as defining when and how signatures should be used, not that signatures must be used. Unsigned comments are assigned the same value as signed comments.

Signing your posts on talk pages and other Guildwiki discourse (but not on articles) is not only good etiquette; it also facilitates discussion by helping other users to identify the author of a particular comment, to navigate talk pages, and to address specific comments to the relevant user(s), among other things. Discussion is an important part of collaborative editing as it helps other users to understand the progress and evolution of a work.

The purpose of signatures on Guildwiki

Signatures on Guildwiki

  • Identify you as a user, and your contributions to Guildwiki.
  • Enable other editors to recognise the user name (or IP address) of the person who made a given statement, and the date and time at which it was made
  • Encourage civility in discussions by identifying the author of a particular comment

When signatures should be used

Any post made to

  • User talk pages
  • Article talk pages
  • Other discussion pages

should be signed.

On the other hand, signatures on Guildwiki are not intended to indicate ownership or authorship of any Guildwiki article. Edits to articles or to the Main Page should not be signed. There are certain other instances when posts should not be signed; in these cases, specific instructions are provided to contributors.

How to "sign" your posts

There are two ways to sign your posts:

1. At the end of your comments, simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~.

2. If you are using the edit toolbar option (which must be enabled under Special:Preferences), click the signature icon Button sig to add the four tildes.

Your signature will appear after you have saved the changes.

The end result is the same in both cases. Typing four tildes will result in the following:

Wikimarkup Resulting code Resulting display
~~~~
[[User:Example|Example]] 04:18, April 19 2024 (UTC) Example 04:18, April 19 2024 (UTC)

Since typing four tildes adds the time and date to your resulting signature, this is the preferred option for signing your posts in discussions.

Typing three tildes results in the following:

Wikimarkup Resulting code Resulting display
~~~
[[User:Example|Example]] Example

Since this does not date-stamp your signature, you may wish to sign this way when leaving general notices on your user page or user talk page. This is also a convenient shortcut (rather than typing out the full code) when you want to provide a link to your user page.

Typing five tildes will convert to a date stamp with the current date and time, without adding your signature, like this:

Wikimarkup Resulting code Resulting display
~~~~~
04:18, April 19 2024 (UTC) 04:18, April 19 2024 (UTC)

Note that if you choose to contribute Guildwiki without logging in, you should still sign your posts. In this case, your IP address will take the place of your username.

Your IP address might look something like this: 192.0.2.58. Some users prefer to use their IP address instead of a user name because they think that an IP provides them with more anonymity. In fact, a pseudonymous account (that is, a registered user name) actually provides you with more protection of your identity.

Note also that signing manually with a pseudonym or tag such as --anon does not give you more anonymity or privacy protection, since your IP address will still be stored in the page history. This also makes it more difficult for other users to communicate with you.

Customizing your signature

Registered users can customize their signature by going to Special:Preferences and changing the field "Custom signature". A substituted signature should resemble to some degree the username it represents. Signatures that obscure an account name to the casual reader may be seen as disruptive.

If you want to use a more complex signature (for instance, including your own Wiki markup and HTML markup), you can choose the "Raw signatures (without automatic link)" checkbox in your Preferences. Just fill the "Your nickname" field with your desired signature (or a subpage from your user space), exactly as you want it to be substituted for the tildes. Be aware that even the raw signatures option treats markup very strictly, and some markup which works in normal pages will not work in signatures.

Wikimarkup Resulting code Resulting display
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[[User:Example|<font color="Blue">'''Lead By Example'''</font>]] [[User talk:Example|''<font color="Blue">talk</font>'']] Lead By Example talk
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[[User:Example|<font color="Blue">'''Lead By Example'''</font>]] [[User talk:Example|''<font color="Blue">talk</font>'']] 04:18, April 19 2024 (UTC) Lead By Example talk 04:18, April 19 2024 (UTC)

Important considerations

A distracting, confusing or otherwise unsuitable signature adversely affects other users. It can be disruptive to discourse on talk pages, or when working in the edit window. In particular, signatures that contain a lot of code ("markup") are often very long, making it difficult to read talk pages while editing (see below).

When customizing your signature, please keep the following in mind:

Appearance and color

Your signature should clearly identify the user, and not be disruptive to the talk pages.

  • User signatures must have a link to their user page or their user talk page.
  • Signature must show their user name or by other means make clear the user name.
  • Advertising and inappropriate content in signatures is not allowed.
  • Markup such as <big>, <sup>, and <sub> tags (which produce big, sup, and sub text), are not allowed, as they disrupt the normal spacing between rows of text.
  • Line breaks (<br /> tags) are not allowed as they disrupt the flow of text by artificially lengthening the display space for signatures.
  • Do not make your signature so small that it is difficult to read.
  • Do not use <blink> or other text animations as it causes visual disruption of the text page.
  • In consideration of users with vision problems, be sparing with color. If you must use different colors in your signature, please ensure that the result will be readable by people with color blindness.

Images

Images should be used sparingly and not be large enough to disrupt normal text spacing.

Images should meet the following guidelines:

  • The users signature may include one small icon. The icon's image file should not be larger than 50 pixels wide x 19 pixels tall.
  • The image file must redirect to the users user page or talk page.
  • The icon's image file should be exclusive for the signature, not shared with anything in GuildWiki. This allows for a redirect on the image file to the user page or the user talk page. Note: The image can be a duplicate of another image, if it's resized appropriately.
  • No animated images are permitted due to the visual disruption they cause within text pages.

Length

Keep signatures short, both in display and markup.

Long signatures with a lot of HTML/wiki markup make page editing more difficult. A 200 character signature, for instance, is likely to be larger than many of the comments to which it is appended, making discussion more difficult:

  • Signatures that take up more than three lines (at 800x600 resolution) in the edit window clutter the page and make it harder to distinguish posts from signatures.
  • Long signatures give undue prominence to a given user's contribution.

Transclusion/template

Do not use transclusion, templates or parser functions in signatures.

Transclusions and parser functions in signatures are avoidable drains on server resources. Transcluded signatures require extra processing. Whenever you change your signature source, all talk pages you have posted on must be re-cached.

Signature templates are also vandalism targets, and will be forever, even if the user stops contributing. Simple text signatures, which are stored along with the page content, use no more resources than the comments themselves and avoid these problems.

  • If a separate page is used to store the signature, the page should not be used as a signature by including it, but by substituting.

Internal links

Use internal links sparingly.

You may include a link to your user page and/or your user talk page for people who want to discuss something with you person-to-person. Beyond that, internal links should be avoided. If you find a particular Guildwiki page useful, put it in your browser bookmarks, favorites list, or on your userpage — not in your signature.

  • Do not include links to skills, builds, campaigns, characters, weapons, personal fun pages, etc in your signature.

External links

Do not include links to external websites in your signature.

Signatures must not include external links. Posting a link to an external website with each comment you make on a talk page is usually viewed as linkspamming. If you want to tell other Guildwikians about a good website that you are associated with, you may do so on your user page.

Dealing with unsigned comments

The template Template:unsigned can be used at the end of an unsigned comment to attach the username or IP to the comment.

Wikimarkup Resulting code Resulting display
{{subst:unsigned|user name or ip|date}} {{subst:unsigned|Example|23:59, 1 April, 2006 (UTC)}} The preceding unsigned comment was added by Example (contribs) 23:59, 1 April, 2006 (UTC).