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first non-spam

Ever found a way to make the "RSS" and "Atom" feed options useful? I haven't. I also ask you since frankly I don't understand what they do. :p Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 22:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I've never seen the point of RSS. Maybe I just don't comprehend it completely, but receiving alerts whenever something changes on a website just seems kinda pointless. Maybe the concept has matured since I last paid much attention to it (which was when it was brand-new). Anyway, to answer your question, no, I don't know if/how the RSS/Atom feeds can be made useful. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 01:28, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, so it's basically a redundant recent changes. -_- I suppose if we ever implementent any real-time-based things (auction, contest, etc.) it could be useful. It's strange since it has been there since this wiki began (almost) yet no one I know uses it for anything. So I wonder why it was implemented. Maybe it's just part of MediaWiki. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 03:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe you're correct, I found a short explanation here. I suppose it could be useful to a person who isn't that much of an RC-vulture, but still wants to know what's going on; or for someone who wants to keep tabs on new pages only - letting the RSS reader sound alerts when new pages are created would be more convenient for them than constantly refreshing Special:NewPages. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 04:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
It's nice for pages like Xkcd, which update irregularly (sp?). --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 09:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
xkcd is regular, Monday-Wednesday-Friday - it says so on the page, and I haven't noticed him to miss in the month or so since I've been reading. For webcomics in general, I keep all the ones I follow in a bookmarks folder, and I use Firefox's "Open all in tabs" function to check them every day since many of them keep a news blog that sometimes updates on non-comic days. If I felt like bothering with it, RSS might make that easier (for the ones that offer RSS feeds, anyway), but meh. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 13:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
xkcd is regular. The order of the stick, however, is not, so RSS is great for that. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(talk) 14:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Ugh, I fail :P --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 14:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Some wikis (like update quite sporadically, so if you want to keep an eye on those, a RSS feed would be handy. --◄mendel► 09:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

JavaScript suggestion

If you see any merit in GuildWiki:Suggestions/Skin JavaScript, could you take care of that one, please? --◄mendel► 09:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see any merit in it - or at least, not enough merit for me to work on it. Anons who want to use another skin need to register an account, that's the entire point. And editors debugging skin issues can just set it in their preferences. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 14:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

new parser changeover

I would like to upgrade GuildWiki to use the new parser soonish (see the bottom of this suggestion for my reason). Here's the page with possible problems. All we have to do is basically to request it of Wikia, and then fix any templates that may be broken — I don't expect anything serious, though. However, it would be useful if we both were available to do any fixing that may be needed. When would be a good time for the changeover? --◄mendel► 09:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Meh, anytime. I'll be here. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 16:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I set up Forum:New parser for bug reports etc. and included a suggested site notice to advertise the change. Now I'm going to ask Kirkburn to actually do it. --◄mendel► 23:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
It's live - see User:Warwick/Archive size. :-) --◄mendel► 23:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Unsigned template

Umm.... I don't get the difference between what I did and what you did? --JonTheMon 14:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Using subst: on a template, as in {{subst:unsigned|...}}, replaces or substitutes the template with the actual wiki-code that it generates. If you edit the page, you'll see the difference. Unsigned is meant to be used in this way, since all it does is insert the username/ip into a pre-defined text string - there's no reason to leave it as a template call. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 14:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Aaaaaaah. I have been enlightened. --JonTheMon 14:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Don't you have a custom edit-button which substs in the Unsigned template? That would be nice addition to common edit buttons. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 15:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
No, but I can make one quick. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:49, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
   mwCustomEditButtons[mwCustomEditButtons.length] = {
     "imageFile": "",
     "speedTip": "Unsigned",
     "tagOpen": "{{subst:unsigned|",
     "tagClose": "}}",
     "sampleText": "username"}
Voilá. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 16:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
So you gonna add it or not? --Gimmethegepgun 23:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
DIY (To your personal css.js I guess). --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 12:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, there's no reason to add this to common.js, it would just confuse people. Add it to your own Special:Mypage/monobook.js/Special:Mypage/monaco.js. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 14:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


Hey, when I log into wiki, the top and side bars don't load (the search panel, my user options, edit, talk page, ect.). It took me about 10 minutes to find a way to get to a talk page to ask for help and I thank you so much for putting a link in one of your userboxes. I am adding this page to my favorites so I can get back to it later... but I could really use either yours or someone elses help Shogankillername.jpg 00:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

We've got wikia working on the problem; you can read the notice here. --Shadowcrest 01:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Alright, thanks :) Shogankillername.jpg 01:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
So that makes for you, me, and Entropy... Great... RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg 02:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I've got my bars, but my browser crashes if I leave it open to any page on the wiki for more than a couple minutes. Felix Omni Signature.png 03:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
This issue is getting so bad, by the way, that I may have to change my homepage from our Main Page after a year and a half because I can't navigate off it. Felix Omni Signature.png 04:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Half Borrowed, Half Stolen

Hello, I'm a fairly new member (at least when it comes to contributing), but I'm building up a userpage at the moment. I really like a lot of your layout and such, and wonder if it's ok if I might steal a couple of tricks off your character pages? (such as the Vanquisher templates and things like that)? With credit of course! Mr J 15:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Of course you can use stuff from my pages. If you have any trouble making it work for you, let me know and I'll try to help. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 20:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for letting me borrow freely ;) Most things are either obvious, or easy enough to figure out, I've found, but there's one thing that's bugging me: How do I get those neat little edit-links (those next to each section header)? I'm transcluding (I hope that's the right term) several smaller pages onto each character page, to keep it easier to update each bit at a time, but I'd really like a link to edit that "subpage" from the "main" character page. [edit] Mr J 03:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC) doh, I hear signing is good >.<
The edit links appear on the headings, so the solution is to move your headings from the character page to the subpage (and use === to mark them, if you use 4 or 5 =, there is no underline, so you can use them instead of bold text:

==== header with 4 = signs ==== ===== header with 5 = signs =====

If you want to explore templates further, Forum:Coding is a good place to start. --◄mendel► 08:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Mendel! That does clear up some thing, but I still can't get it to work within my character pages... I'm guessing there's something about it being inside the template (Dr Ishmael's character template) that stops it from showing up, because it shows up just fine at my still-basic-text main userpage... Mr J 22:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
You were exactly right, the m:magic word __NOEDITSECTION__ was on that page, and it disabled these links; the reason was that the using these links for the template-generated headers would have led people to edit the CharacterTemplate itself. I've copied the template and disabled the edit links for these headers by using <h3> tags; since the parser update, these don't generate the links. Dr Ishmael, you may want to apply these changes to your template and (re)move my copy at User:Mr J/CharacterTemplate. User:Mr_J/Mariano_Pomposo now has edit links where you need them. --◄mendel► 23:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I've made the changes. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 00:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
And I've deleted the now superfluous copy. No more delete tag for me! :) --◄mendel► 00:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you both incredibly much for this help, even such lengths as creating a template and all (even if it was mostly duplicating), it's really a lot more than I expected! Now the page is working just like I want it :D I should try to read through (and maybe understand) that Coding-forum... Mr J 02:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Nah, you shouldn't, only the stuff that speaks to you. But look up some of the useful links, and tell us how Help:Contents works for you. :-) --◄mendel► 02:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
If you don't mind, Ishmael, I've nicked a couple title-boxes you have on Takashi (and others), along with the Vanquisher progress boxes (love that one!). Should you have any objections, let me know! Mr J 08:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
No problem! I'm glad other people are finding my stuff useful. :D —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

making a searchbox

On GWW, the following code works to create a searchbox within a page (stoleb from Shadowphoenix):

buttonlabel=Find A Secret

Know anything which is equivalent for GuildWiki? I'm trying to salvage all the useful sidebar functons and put them on an "alternate main page" so I can try to still edit effectively while problems are ongoing. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 16:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Also see the community portal for a way to add GuildWiki search to your browser toolbar. --◄mendel► 21:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh cool, thanks. I would add the GWiki search, but I don't like having extra stuff up there. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 21:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Unless you have turned the browser search box off, it's not anything extra: just another search engine you can choose via the drop-down. I need to switch that back to google when I want to use that, so it's not completely without drawbacks, however. My favorite way to open the Wiki is to type a random word into that search box and see what that gets me. --◄mendel► 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Well see, I don't have any searchbar enabled, because it's an eyesore. :] Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 22:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
On my IE7, the search box is on the address bar (with the back and forward buttons) and I've no idea how to turn that off (whole, or just the search box), although I've just looked (and I think this is the second time I've tried). It's experiences like these that originally turned me off Microsoft products. --◄mendel► 23:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
FF2 and 3 both have Forward-Back-Refresh-Cancel-Home-Adress bar-Search bar, as the adress bar. It doesn't look bad, imo, because it doesn't stand out more than the adress bar (and it's small). --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 12:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, my IE7 adress bar looks similar. The difference is, I can easily figure out how to turn it off or adapt it in FireFox. :-P --◄mendel► 23:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

bot task

Would you mind changing all instances of "Skills Used" to "Skills used" and "Items Dropped" to "Items dropped". Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 01:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

=( I like doing it manually... but I guess it would be faster this way. Cress Arvein Cress sig.JPG 04:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I could do that. Determining which pages need to be edited would be the difficult part, although I could just load the entire Bestiary. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 21:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Mesmer Elite Elegant armor/Male

Either this is broken or we really are missing a lot of screenshots. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 20:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Sadly, that's not broken - that's all that gallery ever had. The template sure makes it obvious which ones need help, doesn't it? —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 20:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


BOT ACCOUNT! NO BREAKING RC! BAD ISHY!MaySig.png Warw/Wick 16:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought you were "outta here"? o.O —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 16:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Read my talkpage. My internet's being kayish atm. :> —MaySig.png Warw/Wick 16:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Meh. I have a userbox to live up to. :D —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 17:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

No need

The reason I put that there was so no one (as in admin, since it's fully protected) would have to deal with adding anything to it for a long time, and allows anyone to archive whenever, instead of having to ask an admin --Gimmethegepgun 18:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize it was protected. But does it really need to be? It doesn't seem like it would be a big vandalism target. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 20:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


Yeah, thanks buddy. If you looked at my history, I've done this a few times before; it's just my thing. There is no rule against signing your edit excuse thingamajig :P I like the way it looks. You take care now.

He was only trying to help. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 07:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Category Contains rare crafting material

I see you and JonTheMon have undone the pages from the "Contains Amber" and "Contains Charcoal" categories that I had added to the "Contains rare crafting material" category. I had planned to add all the pages from the "Contains rare crafting material" category, "Contains..." subcategories to the "Contains rare crafting material" category. What I was trying to do was to provide a single page that lists all the drops that contain rare crafting material. Thus in the situation where you have an inventory full of drops and you are trying to decide whether to use an expert/superior salvage kit or a normal salvage kit on them you can see at a glance which items might contain rare crafting materials. As far as I am aware there is currently no page on GuildWiki that allows you to do this. If you do know of such a page please let me know. Alternatively if you can suggest a name for a new category to cover this please let me know. DemoniaFatalis 12:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

As far as categorization goes, it's not standard practice to put an article in both a category and a subcategory of that category, so I'm still going to oppose that idea. However, you can create a DPL page in your userspace for this. Just copy the following code:
  category=*Contains rare crafting material
Modify the columns value to fit your screen, and voila! You've got a list of all articles that are in the subcategories of Category:Contains rare crafting material. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 14:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, that does the job :) DemoniaFatalis 19:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Being created exactly once hardly makes something a spam target, and if that's a "vulgar word" I guess you've got much higher standards than I do. o_O Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 15:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Eh. It's not like we'll ever need that title for a legitimate article anyway. And we have evidence that this 18px vandal has recreated the same pages in the past, so I figured we could circumvent that. We have Template:Updates archive protected "to prevent mass vandalism" even though I can't find any evidence of vandalism to that archive box, even before it was templated, so I see nothing wrong with protecting this one even though it's only been created once.
And what else was I gonna say? "spam article; someone said a worty dird!" >.>? —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Haha. Okay. Should we protect the full list, you think? All the ones they have created before? Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 15:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Time to test the cascading protection, then? :P --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 15:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, brilliant was Viper. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 15:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Cascading protection only works for included pages, not links. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I figured it out eventually. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 15:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Oorsome. It works now :) --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 15:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
The prot was already working, if you try to create the page the notice is there. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 15:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I didn't notice that, but I figured it out now. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Ranger Krytan Armour Male ...

Hi there

Sorry to be noob ;) i'm new to adding to wiki's and i've just finished updating all the Ranger Krytan Armour/Male images ... I have added images that now use the default "gray" dye.

There is still however a warning image on the page indicating that we need actual gray images. - i just cant seems to figure out how to remove this message. do you know ?

thanks - Primetheus

The message was caused by the template's parameter "undyed." Setting it to "no" removed the message. I r smarts @ templatz :D Felix Omni Signature.png 08:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Vanquishing Title Boxes

I might be annoying you by now, but I edited my Vanquishing title boxes at User:Shogankiller/Carrier Of Darkness/titles and I left them open when I switched back to my main page, and now they are stuck open, and does not give me the option to close them (hide/show) again. I looked at your scripting and I can't see the part where it gives the option to show/hide, and I re-copied and pasted it, but it still doesnt work. Shogankillername.jpg 23:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

See the GuildWiki:Wikia staff noticeboard. Showhide is broken right now. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 23:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Only for IE7 - they're working just fine in Firefox. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 00:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
adding that parge to my favorites so I don't keep blocking up your talk page lol Shogankillername.jpg 01:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Promotion Party


Cheers, and thanks to everybody who congratulated me! --◄mendel► 06:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, yummy! Although I don't know how that'll work as a chaser for the Sam Adams Winter Lager I just had... ah well. /drinks
We should promote admins more often, if it means they're gonna throw parties like this. :D —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 06:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


Perhaps we should modify the image upload text (somewhere in the MediaWiki:Allmessages) to say something like "if you are going to upload an image for an armor gallery, please consult the Armor Gallery Image Guidelines" (or whatever the exact page is called). What do you think - redundant maybe? Or no one reads that text anyway? :p Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 22:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

No one reads it would be my guess, because there's just too much of it (or they hide it with CSS, like me >.> but at least I know what I'm doing around here... I think). I looked at it a while back and thought about trying to condense it a bit, but then I forgot about it. I'll take another look at it and see what I can do. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 22:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah, another CSS hax I'll have to stealborrow :> Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 22:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
For reference, the exact message is MediaWiki:Uploadtext. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 22:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Finally overhauled that message - I'm getting tired of telling new users about the Licensing box. >.> —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 19:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Generic template messages are win. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 20:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


Just ignore him if you disagree, and please do watch the language, please. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa.png) 00:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

o_O Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 01:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

bot moar

You forgot to log in as bot. RC readers all over the world will thank you. --◄mendel► 00:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Let me be the first. Rsz PLSig.jpg 00:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Meh, when I started that rampage, I didn't expect there to be so many galleries that would require an update note. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Cash for armor

You get some of my useless wealth too. After the xunlai update most likely. Rsz PLSig.jpg 01:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Woot, thanks! :D Still gotta decide whether it would be quicker to farm the last 18 obsidian directly, or just farm the gold to buy them. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
IMO farm ecto and trade it 1:2 for shards. --JonTheMon 16:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Rise of the Machines

Your bot has acquired rollback powerz. It's already just as powerful as you, and soon, it may overthrow its master! Caution advised. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 06:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Also; happy 2-weeks-belated birthday :P --- Ohaider!-- (s)talkpage 10:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I missed the Doctor's birthday? o_O *goes to add birthdays to watchlist* Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 11:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Meh, that's fine. I've gotten old enough (27) that birthdays have lost their importance. But thanks anyway. :D —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Overthrow me? o_O That would be insane - the first bot promoted to bureaucrat! XD —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
PromoteBot - Automatically gives rollback to everyone it sees reverting vandalism :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(talk) 18:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
"Come with me if you want to leave" lol.Ereanorsign.jpgreanor 03:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I guess this deserves a Flight of the Concords link. Machine rebellion like and such as. Felix Omni Signature.png 03:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
You knew I had to. >.> —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Green Pedro

For you (lol @ terrible color job, but it's not like I cared much) Greenpedro.jpg Felix Omni Signature.png 07:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

XD Pedro the Mailburro! I'd completely forgotten about him. Of course, it's been nearly 10 years since I was in Boy Scouts and received that magazine... damn I feel old now. Curse you, Felix! —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 15:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


Tomorrow, I am going to implement the changes advertised on Template talk:License. My testing indicates that the method outlined in "wanted" actually works. --◄mendel► 00:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. The only thing I'd change is to reformat the Usage a bit - all other template documentation has the example template in a gray box, so I'd change that for consistency. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Done, complete with grey box (it looked better without, though, IMO). "The current job queue length is 25,927". --◄mendel► 12:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Did the Screenshot /doc as well. Job queue now at 48,121. New record? --◄mendel► 13:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Account achievements

Not only was he medically certified and a master of Wikicode, Ishmael was also not too shabby at the game known as Guild Wars.

If you're ever in the market for miniatures, I could supply you with a number of the missing ones. Since everyone else is too poor/doesn't care to buy them from me. :D

Random thought: Every day it becomes more obvious to me that, compared to other folks on wiki, I'm still sadly lacking for in-game achievements. Reminds me how I really am still quite a noob. :( Then again, I also keep meeing "gud players" who have "played GW for 3-4 years" or have KoaBD Rank X, and they suck horribly. So I guess I am also reassured. :)

Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 05:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't feel bad Entropy! I don't have a chara with KoaBd either.--Gigathrash sig G.jpgîğá†ħŕášħ 05:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Nor I. Rsz PLSig.jpg 00:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm also still trying to get KoaBD r1, lol. Cress Arvein Cress sig.JPG 00:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, seriously? o_O Takashi already had r1 KoaBD when they introduced it, with Legendary Cartographer and the Protector titles. I finished Legendary Skill Hunter fairly quickly after that, and I've been sitting at r2 ever since. I need to HM moar. >.> —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 00:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I unlocked WoH as the last Elite, after playing GW for almost 3 years. Hah :P And it got me every Skill Hunter title, and KoaBD 1. --- Ohaider! -- (contribs) (talk) 13:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


I'm too lazy to check, which ones do you need? I've got Male Derv undyed asuran, undyed monumental, undyed norn, and blue primeval. --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 23:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

GuildWiki:Armor galleries project for future reference. The EotN ones are okay, although Monument is kinda dark, but Primeval could definitely use some love. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 00:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I seriously read that as "undyed porn"... Getting drunk after a dental appt because it's still sore ftl... -_- RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg 00:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

chicken webcomic

This is what happens when your chicken isn't giant enough. --◄mendel► 21:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

User couple

Thanks for fixing my/our userbox template! --◄mendel► 16:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem. :) —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 16:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Book images

MediaWiki upgrade to be able to move images sure would be handy, no? Weren't we supposed to have that by now? Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 05:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikia techies say it's not ready (read:bug-free) for the unwashed masses yet. --◄mendel► 05:26, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't've uploaded them if I weren't reasonably certain of my identification, there shouldn't be much moving required. But yes, that would be a nice feature to have. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

objective -> subjective

I wondered about that, so I just hoped I chose the right one. Then I forgot to check up on it :P Thanks. Silver Sunlight SSunlight.jpg 19:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words ...

... I was actually kinda angry about that hidden "requires gray" update reason that I couldn't get rid of ... then had to go out do some work ... then read your comment, smiled, and ... created and added the dyed female Luxon Warrior pics. Hope you like them :-) Tcol 23:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I've considered renaming that Undyed parameter, but it would be a lot of work... Anyway, I'm glad you finished that gallery! And yes, your images are good - probably the best of any first-time armor modelers we've had. Got any other armors you can contribute? ;) —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 23:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

generic messages

I've been thinking of making a generic "Please use screenshot option" template to post on people's pages, and I wanted it to be {{Ishmael}}. Do you approve? Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 03:38, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

XD Sure, I really should've created that by now anyway. Just too busy with other things, like my sudden urge to finish Tyrian Guardian on Takashi. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 03:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Does it really happen so often that you can't afford to be personable about it? -.- Felix Omni Signature.png 07:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Use a descriptive name plus redirect from Template:Ishmael IMO, and subst: it. --◄mendel► 07:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
Well Felix, mostly I cba to type in the link to the relevant Style and Formatting guide; that's why I have been copypasta'ing teh Doctor's posts for that kind of situation. I have no problems with making it more personable, but then again, that only goes so far when you are replying for a query of what one should do to upload armor images/screenshots/etc., you know? Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 08:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:User templates

Use it pls kthxbai? --◄mendel► 00:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Huh? —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 01:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
You have some templates in your userspace that other people like to use, and it's be nice to have them categorized so they're more findable. --◄mendel► 01:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh. You should've been more specific the first time. >.> —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 01:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
It's more fun when you have to guess. --◄mendel► 03:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

integer.px -> integerpx

Possible bot task? Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 20:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Not easily - you'd need a list of pages that use that syntax, and ".px" is too short of a search term for the wiki's search engine. It might be possible to get the list by parsing the dbdump, but I'll leave that to mendel. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 21:05, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Just reupload those sig images :-P But yeah, I'll put it on my to do procrastination list. --◄mendel► 22:53, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
As can be seen by Varajar Fells, it's not just sig images. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 22:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I found a fairly easy way to search for it, and am working to correct the problem now. -- Isk8.png Isk8 (T/C) 23:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Explain please? —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 23:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Lets see... I searched for Image .px set count to 500 per page, and just keep scrolling through, using the page search feature on firefox to look for .px in the search results. Then the rest is click click boom. Question, 95% of these I'm fixing are Thoughtful's sig image. Did .px used to work or something? -- Isk8.png Isk8 (T/C) 23:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Used to work but then they changed the parser and things went boom. Also, Isk8 stumped the Doctor. This day will live forever. :) Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 23:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Lol... I guess that's a compliment. I am used to doing things manually. When it comes to using a bot, I'm sure he will have me beat forever. I figured that since they said .px was too short of a search field to search for, add into the field something else that would always be in that parameter hench image. -- Isk8.png Isk8 (T/C) 23:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the part where you have to manually search through the search results is a "too much work" part. :P I was trying to formulate a solution that would return the exact list needed in a single step. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 23:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
mmm. Botting. --◄mendel► 00:13, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Aren't you glad you have loosers people like me with no lives that enjoy repetitive menial tasks? :P -- Isk8.png Isk8 (T/C) 00:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I think I got them all. My RC spammage is over. -- Isk8.png Isk8 (T/C) 00:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't you like to do screenshots for the hair and face gallery that is in GuildWiki:Suggestions? 'cause that's kinda hard to bot (although I've thought about AutoIt). Or GuildWiki:Projects. The .px thing is really a bot task, and if somebody had said something when I reported it, it'd have been done already. That said, if you like menial tasks, you're welcome to it. --◄mendel► 00:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll take a look at it when I get the chance... I need to do some catching up around here with my recent absence anyways. -- Isk8.png Isk8 (T/C) 03:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

(Reset indent) I botted the rest (I hope). --◄mendel► 07:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

And I just realized I never reported the issue on our wiki, but only here. Sigh. --◄mendel► 07:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
That's strange, I remember seeing it crop up in a number of places and somehow I knew it was a bug with the new parser, so I figured I must have read a post by you that it was broken. Or else I just got lucky to guess what the problem was. o_O In any case, I think the lesson here is that sometimes a human bot is better than a bot bot. Which I guess is the Doctor's best defense against the Rise of the Machines. ;) Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 12:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I wrote about it on User talk:Thoughtful#New parser update broke your sig image, the gurus over at say it wasn't the parser update what did it (what else could it have been?),and human bots aren't better than bot bots. Bots (and bot owners) need humans to tell them what to do, is the real lesson. --◄mendel► 13:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Curse you

I'm never going to get that out of my head now! Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 17:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

:D /sing "Dis-co time! ... Go-go time!" —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 17:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
(!) "When the silver wolf howls at the moon, it's go-time!" Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 17:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
I keep coming back to your userpage so I can listen. D: I think I will just do rip those now Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 16:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
If you're interested, I have their entire discography (except for a couple singles). —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 16:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
That would be quite a lot of files to send o_O if I can find it on YouTube etc. somewhere, I can rip it and that saves you the trouble, though ofc the quality suffers a bit. I'm just a cheapskate like that. It's the same reason I still collect Charr Hide!
Oh, and imo, m.o.v.e. is "Wtf mate?" but I can't stop listening anyway. :) Japanese stuff is insidious like that Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 16:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
(!) Historical Debate: If WWII had never happened (specifically, the nuking of Hiroshima and the other place), would we see such things as m.o.v.e. today? I am sure it has been studied and done before, but I am SO going to use that for a project/term paper/something someday. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 16:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I read a book a while back called Japanese Jazz, I think, about how the Japanese have a history of swinging back and forth from being either isolationists or cultural purists to being voracious consumers of Western culture. WWII was the culmination of one of those purist periods, and Japan's defeat triggered an extreme period of Westernism that is still ongoing. If Japan had won the war, the purist ideals would have been strengthened instead, and if they had never joined the war, they probably would've swung back to Westernism more slowly.
Motsu spent his 20's living in California, all three of them list many American and British artists as inspiration, and m.o.v.e. got their big break by doing theme songs for Initial D, an anime about street racing. Without the devastating losses at the end of WWII, Japan's automotive and entertainment industries would have developed differently, so Initial D probably would never have existed, and assuming the purist period had continued, m.o.v.e.'s musical inspiration would have been very different, so even if they did exist, they wouldn't be anything like what they are now.
And no, I didn't have any of that prepared ahead of time, it just flowed out as I was typing it. XD —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 17:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Haha...I'd expect no less from you, Doc. :)
We (US and Japan) have had such a strange relationship in regards to cultural exchange. Cause it's worked both ways. As the Japanese are voracious consumers of the Western culture, Japanese stuff is also very popular here. It's easy to see this from anime, video games, Bawls, and other such stuff. "Japanese" is an "in" thing, though I'd hesitate to say it's exactly mainstream/totally common. US also has had times of intense isolationism (20s if I remember my history right at all)... Did I mention sushi? Or JROCK (Japanese Restaurant Owned or operated by Chinese or Koreans)? Ohh, rich topic is rich. I wonder why I didn't go for some sort of anthropology/sociology major... anyway I've been browsing YouTube and found a bunch of stuff from m.o.v.e. , but I think mostly the two you've got up are what I like best. They're pretty eclectic (well, within certain bounds). Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 17:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Heh, they're two of my favorites, as well (that being why I posted them >.>). I can send you the two albums they're on, then. If your email is still the same as when we discussed my promotion last spring, I'll send it there (using Yousendit or similar). —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 17:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The stuff they did for Initial D is also nice o_O Yeah, my mail is the same. Tbh you can send however much it is till you max out filesize, I'll listen to it all :) Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 18:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Realplayer is free, can trasnfer to ipods, and can download videos straight off of youtube.--Łô√ë Gigathrash sig G.jpgîğáturkey 05:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
But not all of their songs are on Youtube, only the singles that had videos. <.< —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I tried Realplayer but I don't like it. It's too complicated for me. I don't need the videos anyway, I want teh songs. That's why I rip to mp3 instead of flv etc. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 06:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Doc ^_^ Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 08:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Random thought

You could start off your posts with something like "Hello!" to make them seem less hostile. But that doesn't imply that they are hostile. Or that they seem hostile. I'm just sayin'. You dig? :) ( <- notice how I added the smiley and that makes it unambiguously clear that I'm not upset?) Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 16:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I do my best to strike a balance between "cold administrator" and "friendly user", unfortunately my basic nature leans more toward "cold administrator". I'll try something like that next time. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 16:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, you know, there are also "cold users" and "friendly administrators". :) I suppose it also depends what mood you're in, of course. Don't worry about it, it's just random thought of mine as header says. I don't mean to single you out or anything, coz you're hardly teh first person I'd think of for "needs attitude adjustment" :> Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 16:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
You could sign every post as "Love, Dr Ishmael <3" Felix Omni Signature.png 20:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
That might come across more as "creepy" than "friendly", Felix :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(talk) 00:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
~Regards, Dr Ishmael? Rsz PLSig.jpg 00:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Called.--Gigathrash sig G.jpgîğá†ħŕášħ 00:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, having random thoughts is a psychotic symptom.Ereanorsign.jpgreanor 02:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Psychotic? Who's psychotic? I'm not, I'm a papaya. Papayas are good for your self-esteem, ya know, because without self-esteem the whales are going to learn how to fly. And then everyone's in trouble, since that means the Kwik-E-Marts won't sell Squishees anymore. I like Cherry Coke, anyone else? —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 03:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
You have earned the randomosity medal of the week! Keep up the good work, and you may just go insane one of these days :P -- Isk8.png Isk8 (T/C) 03:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The leprechauns assure me that I'm already insane, but thanks anyway. :D —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 03:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Cherry coke is ick, I heard they use cherry pits for the flavoring. Did you know that peach pits contain cyanide and can kill you? Ahh, cyanide, CN-, oh so deadly You know, if you turn the minus sideways, it looks like an I, and then if you move them around, it spells NIC? Wierd huh? The connection to the Internet through the NIC is wasting people's lives away, just like cyanide will kick their asses! And then we get to nearly 3 weeks ago, when all the asses (both Jack and Elephant) got duly scammed into positions of leadership where they can drag our country down just like cyanide will kill a person. Isn't circular thinking fun? Hmm... circular thinking... Intelligent Design anyone? AHAHA you shall NEVER defeat my randomness! (Except maybe Warwick) Hey did you know Warwick is actually a place? It's some random place in England in a county called Warwickshire (OOOH creative names!) For some reason those stupid British won't pronounce that W in the middle, so it's really pronounce Warrick... damned Brits... There's also 5 other completely unrelated places in the world called Warwick, maybe they pronounce it the way it's supposed to? Anyway.... wall of text is wall of text. So... since "of" means "multiply" when you're in math, does that mean wall * text? If so, what's the value of "wall" and what's the value of "text"? For that matter, is "value" multiplied by " "wall" " and also by " "text" "? Disclaimer: it is your own fault if you read all this and your head is about to explode. --Gimmethegepgun 03:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
ewaxl^2t^2--Łô√ë Gigathrash sig G.jpgîğáturkey 03:47, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Critical error. Gigathrash is now shutting down. --Gimmethegepgun 04:38, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I hate Coke with a vengeance. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 06:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
But do you love pepsi?--Łô√ë Gigathrash sig G.jpgîğáturkey 08:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I believe that Pepsi tastes better than Coke 95% of the time. I also don't have that nasty thought in the back of my head about how "this drink used to contain crack". Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 08:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
That's so sad, because your body is telling you that you hate something that tastes exactly the same as something else you love (spot the reference!)--Łô√ë Turkey!îğáturkey 08:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Uhh...Pepsi is Yugilicious? They most certainly do not taste the same. Pepsi actually has a "bite" to it. Coke is flat from the start. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 08:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
The entire previous conversation (sans entropy's last comment) was nearly word for word ripped from a comedians act on AOL Radio comedy, I can't remember his name though.--Łô√ë Turkey!îğáturkey 08:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
*Yigilicious Felix Omni Signature.png 08:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I remember onetime there was an experiment for what happened if you indented all the way off the page, but I forget what happened. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 08:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I never thought drinking something that can unblock toilets. Didn't sound healthy. --Alf's Hitman 08:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
It ended up extending the background out to accommodate the new text, and leaving the white space behind.--Łô√ë Turkey!îğáturkey 08:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Build namespace revisited

Special:WantedPages consists of primarily Build: and Build Talk: articles. Is it possible to create a bot to simply find those links and remove the link brackets around them? I know this has been discussed before, and I don't remember where or what the outcome was, but it would still be nice if some solution was found for that massive redlink collection. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg 04:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

>.> I'm werkin' on it. Doing it manually in order to get all redlinks on every affected page so we don't have to make multiple passes or come back to them later. It'll go much quicker once I get through the ones with >20 links. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
We ought to just redlink them with <span class=redlink>, that way it'll look the same. Offer invalid where prohibited by law and nonexistence of redlink class. --◄mendel► 01:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


Copyrighted material, pirate's wrath, potential conflicts, etc. The decision is yours, Doctor Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 04:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Bah. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 04:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't look at me like that. I'm just a tool. :\ Alternatively, be on IRC more. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 05:06, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
You should totally do it.--Łô√ë Turkey!îğáturkey 05:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Well the links are in the history, if anyone cares enough to look for them. And they're only good for like 7 days or so. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Mover-Shaker Bot

If you check the move log (or perhaps RC, depending when you read this), you'll see that Balistic Pve is moving user's pages to their new names with the GW- prefix. I know that you could get a list of all these by looking at the contribs of the Move page script, not sure about other pages in their userspace though. Anyway, I think it'd be a lot faster to make it a bot task. One reason is the "move throttle" - the bot avoids that because it has sysop status. :p Also, it could clean up after itself by them deleting the redirects, again because it has sysop status. Lastly for bonus points, maybe it could fix all the links to those pages so that we don't add to the wanted pages unnecessarily.

I have this strange feeling that normally I should use the GW:BOT page, but oh well, I don't want to have to repeat myself in two places. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 22:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Well anyways, until that happens I'll keep moving them. I've tagged most of them with delete, so hop on to it. --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 22:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm just a bit busy, and I'd have to check what links here and fix the links, etc. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 22:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
o i c , nvm --Balistic Pve (T/C/E) 23:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
That would be fairly difficult to set up, compared to the other bots I've done. It would have to first get the list of users that were renamed (where is that list, anyway?), then check Special:Prefixindex to get the list of all pages in their userspace, then for each page move it, update links to it, and delete the redirect. I could do it, I'm just not sure if I'd have the time or the inclination right now. —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 02:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Would you do it if you had a list of pages that need to be moved? --◄mendel► 02:10, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
I know that I/we ask a lot from you, so I'm sorry if it seems I'm just piling more work on you when you already have lots of other stuff to do as well. (Like RL.) But it really is appreciated. :) I think it would take about 5 days to finish it manually, since we're not even done with the A's yet. Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 03:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, let's set priorities, then. Which would you rather be taken care of first: build redlinks or GW-userpage moves? —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 04:17, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
To give a PHB response: Both. And while you're at it, get Griffin's permission. :) Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 04:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Griffin? Narf? o.O —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 05:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Needs more Dilbert imo Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 06:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Not sure why this isn't a project (or is it?), but I've got a list of GW-users, minus the ones that have TOC entries here, and their un-GW-'d pages. Now I'm checking those for redirects. --◄mendel► 15:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
To the best of my programming ability, the pages that should be bot-moved are listed on User:Dr ishmael/GW-pages-tobemoved.txt. I recommend against deleting the redirects (like Wizboy and Entropy have done) because you never know what external links or redirects may yet exist, and it doesn't hurt to keep them. --◄mendel► 16:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

WTB Archive

You totally should. Really. (Yeah yeah, more work for Doctor, eh? ^_^) You should clone yourself. Really. RoseOfKali RoseOfKaliSIG.jpg 05:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

He did that already, but it wasn't a total success, clones are notorious for developing personalities of their own Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 05:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Meh, I'll do it tomorrow. On another note, triple-necro-hero-Discord-spam is awesomesauce. Vanquished 3 Desolation areas today with only a single wipe - quickest vanquishing I've ever done. Now if I could only convince Jink to vanquish with me... I could even take Discord myself, and we'd have octuple-necro-Discord-spam. That would be... orgasmic. o.o —Dr Ishmael Diablo the chicken.gif 06:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
But then you'd be a Glass Kanon Entropy Sig.jpg (T/C) 06:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
If anything is not a Glass Cannon, it's a setup of 8 necros :P --- Ohaider! -- (contribs) (talk) 15:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)