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Minion Master Builds

I was creating the MM builds from the MM guide based on the discussion on its talk pages, prior to removing them from the guide. As such I wasn't the author of the build, which is why I voted unfavoured. You're a bit quick on the delete button, could you give other people a chance to talk about it for a while first? A day won't kill the site. --NieA7 14:53, 17 July 2006 (CDT)

he was talking about me, i authored both those builds in the Gmmg back before verata's nerf. i also flagged them for delete. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 14:54, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
Ah, fair enough (I didn't want to effectivly delete someone elses build from the site entirely even if I didn't like them). Did you create the Golem Master build too, and if so can I just chuck that as well? --NieA7 14:58, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
no, i kinda washed my hands of that guide after the 26th --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 15:57, 17 July 2006 (CDT)

Sry for any confusion — Skuld Monk 15:39, 17 July 2006 (CDT)

Did you read my comment on the Minion Master category page before you deleted it, and if so what do you suggest I use in its place? --NieA7 05:15, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

Archive templates

While doing some house cleaning, I found some templates (Template:Archive, Template:Archive2, Template:Archive3, Template:Archive4, and Template:Archive5) you created that don't seem to be in use. Safe to delete, or still a work in process? --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 23:49, 17 July 2006 (CDT)

Actually FireFox created them, I didn't want them at all! The design was mine, templates him — Skuld Monk 04:04, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
They get subst-ed instead of directly used, is my understanding. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa.png) 04:09, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
Oh I like them now, before we didn't have template substituion installed — Skuld Monk 04:11, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

User Talk pages

Just curious here - I know that you've posted on several user pages that they can't delete info on their own talk page. Where is that a written policy? I know the community has had repeated discussions on this, but I don't recall a concensus ever being reached.
It's certainly good practice to archive items off your talk page, but I don't see why or how it should be mandated unless there is an officially policy on it. The history tab gives full visibility to the history already. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 08:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

Easier to read everything than fishing about through versions? Stuff can get missed out and deleted very easily thansk to mediawiki not highlighting all changes. As I see it the talk pages are not a bit like user pages, they don't as such, belong to the user as they are there for everyone to use — Skuld Monk 09:01, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
But where is it a written wiki policy? Without policy, what are you using to backup the enforcement? I honestly do see talk pages as being an integral part of the article to which they are attached. In the case of primary articles, those articles and talk pages belong to the community, and should be more carefully maintained with archives. In the case of user talk pages, I see them as coming as part of the user page. They are open to everyone (as are, technically, the user pages themselves), but the responsibility of the user page owner to maintain as they see fit. Again, the history keeps track of everything. My only issue would be if a current active discussion were blanked out. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 09:17, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

Back to this topic again ... re: your revert on the blanking of User talk:, I really don't see the value in keeping the history on that one. First: conceptually, I disagree with the idea of not permitting the user themselves from removing content of their user_talk pages, and I have not found a GW policy that bans them from doing it. Second, the restored content to me is justification to blank it. It shows that the user is on an America Online IP, which means it's probable that it's a dynamic IP. If so, then the three posts to it (including the post to remove content) could easilly have been done by up to three different users. Keeping the content does nothing more that confuse random AOL users. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 09:29, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

RE: Items dropped

Ah, sorry, I should've read that first, makes sense. ^^ The preceding unsigned comment was added by Niwacontribs) 18:12, 18 July 2006 .

Np :) — Skuld Monk 12:15, 18 July 2006 (CDT)


Can you delete it, and then remake it (not revert the delete, remake) to see if you can get the wiki to correct itself? When the problem is corrected, ignore this there should be 2 ranger icons: (Ranger Ranger) --Draygo Korvan (Yap) 14:51, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

No luck — Skuld Monk 15:01, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
Saw, gotta be something wrong on the software end. I tried purging the pages too. --Draygo Korvan (Yap) 15:02, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
Pansola's explaination on this makes the most sense, by the way can you fix up the Warden article to {{r}} or {{R|}} considering you reverted my edit. --Draygo Korvan (Yap) 15:11, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
Sry, thoguht it was just tempory so I was reverting all the lower cases for consistensy. guess we'll be using r >< 15:31, 18 July 2006 (CDT) and the traitor

xennon is for elite skill caps, ony, and they are best when looking for the easiest cap location for a particular skill. other questions are better answered by this place, like "should i bring a cap sig while doing Arborstone on my mesmer?" "should i spend 100k+e on Kanaxai's Edge, or is there a collector counterpart for fairly cheap?"
when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look a traitorous edit, eh skuld? I hear they have a hat that helps with that now. ;) --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 15:50, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

'Twas a joke — Skuld Monk 17:18, 19 July 2006 (CDT)


Which template is preferred, Unsigned or unsigned2? — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 00:09, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

No idea I just use unsigned. Don't even know what 2 is! — Skuld Monk 00:12, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
Unsigned2 has a link to both the person's user page and talk page (instead of just talk) and it also inserts (CDT), I use Unsigned nobody seems to use Unsigned2. This is just how I see it, you'd have to ask Draygo Korvan for a definative answer. --Xasxas256 00:28, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
I think that unsigned2 also reverses the order of the IP and date info, so that it's in the same sequence that you would copy it from the history (date first, then IP). --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 00:45, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
forgive me for not subst, but i'm showing off the usage
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honorable Sarah (contribs) .
The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honorable Sarah (talk • contribs) 25:45, 31 Febuary 2006 (CST).
--Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 11:04, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
A few more variants ...
{{subst:unsigned|Honorable Sarah}} The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honorable Sarahcontribs) .
{{subst:unsigned|Honorable Sarah|25:45, 31 Febuary 2006}} The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honorable Sarahcontribs) 25:45, 31 Febuary 2006.
{{subst:Unsigned2||Honorable Sarah}} The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honorable Sarah (talk • contribs) (CDT).
{{subst:Unsigned2|25:45, 31 Febuary 2006|Honorable Sarah}} The preceding unsigned comment was added by Honorable Sarah (talk • contribs) 25:45, 31 Febuary 2006 (CDT).
The basic unsigned has the option of containing the date or not; while unsigned 2 looks odd without the date as it tage on the (CDT) marker after where it should have been inserted. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 11:11, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

do we need this?

can you take a look at Perfect stat weapons (Fast Casting) and decide if this is useful? --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 11:54, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

Do we need pages on the merchants? Probablly useless to 1/500 people but i'm sure someone will find a use for it :) — Skuld Monk 12:00, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

Helping a newbie wiki-user :)

Hello Skuld. I see your posts everywhere on guild-wiki so i thought i might ask you for some help, if you dont mind too much =) 1- how do you add that monk icon to your signature? 2- Would you mind too much if I use some style ideas from your user page on mine? (I suck at formatting)

Cheers Robin 08:05, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

See User:Skuld/Sig, I have {{subst:User:Skuld/Sig}} in my sig field, it copies the code from there onto me posts when I type ~~~~. Help yourself to my page, would be nice if you put a credit not eat the bottom though :) Ask me if you need anything else — Skuld Monk 12:33, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Statue delete requests

I noticed that you marked some newly created statue articles for deletion. They all have links leading to them, so I've held off on deleting them for now. I need to leave for a camping trip, so no time to redirect those links myself at the moment. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 16:48, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Ok, i'll try get round to doing them — Skuld Monk 17:02, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
I would disagree with deletion of statue articles. They should be redirects or disambig instead. "Statue of Balthazar" is an actual ingame thing. -User:PanSola (talk to the Follower of Lyssa.png) 18:26, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

Unstubbing bosses

Thanks for unstubbing the bosses I SoCed. I forgot to do it myself. :) --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 06:59, 22 July 2006 (CDT)

No problem :) The monster stub category is daunting Oo — Skuld Monk 07:00, 22 July 2006 (CDT)

Skill noincludes

The noinclude stuff is left over from before all the in-game skill info got moved out to their own templates. Before, to make the tables/lists like used in the reference pages, you'd include the actual skill article, so all the notes/progression/categories/etc. were noincluded. Now, you include the template instead. Pan would probably know more since she did most of the work. -- 03:30, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

Thought so, thanks. I'll have to do the warrior skills again :p — Skuld Monk 03:32, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

why have u deleted my mesmer build?

why on earth have you deleted my mesmer build?

What? — Skuld 11:29, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

well u have deleted my build Me/Mo counter and interrupt why? Shady Mesmer

[Me/Mo Counter and Interrupt], we use caps. i deleted a broken redirect.. — Skuld 11:37, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

oki, thnx man...i know i am stupid. i always forget caps and a dot etc.. now there are 2 counter and interrupt, can u delete the no-cap one ?ShadyMesmer

ARG! another faster then thou! FOUR edit conflicts! he's talking about [Me/Mo Counter and Interrupt], which you changed the case on. why did you change the case? GW:ULC sugguests this should have stayed lower case. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 11:42, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
User_talk:Skuld/Archive_4#GrammarSkuld 11:50, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
so, what you think you just explained to me is that builds use title case because they are articles? --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 11:57, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
I'm moving it yo Me/Any as i tihnk someone once moved an article to /any cause the only monk skill was a rez User:ST47(talk) 11:56, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
Me/Any and Me/any are 2 different things. wiki decided on lower case a looong time ago. is any a profession? no, so it shouldnt be captialised, thanks — Skuld 11:59, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
i was waiting on the contributor to finish editing to make that same move. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 11:57, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
ok, between the edit conflicts, the 9 page reference on grammer, and three conversations stacked together, i'm getting a headache that reads "monking for frenzy assassin" on the pain scale. my head really hurts.
so builds are capital even when they don't have proper nouns, except any, because builds are articles, except any, because it's not a proper noun? --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 12:06, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
I'd view it as the build having a proper name. An article is not a proper name, just a name. Admittedly, if I had my way, almost nothing would use uppercase, especially not what ANet has randomly decided should be. -- 12:27, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
i see your point, but, i'd disagree with that bit about ANet. random as they are, we're a documentation site, so me must document the game as it stands, Signet of Capitals included. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 12:39, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

Why have you redirected(again) and changed my build? it wasn't good i supposed? but now there is so little text... it isn't interesting anymore.Shady Mesmer19:41 24 july 2006

you had a lot of duplications, Exclaimed Text!, duplications, obvious statements about mesmer armor, and duplications. all i did was remove the excess and highlight the core of the build. i chnaged no skills or attributes. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 12:55, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

My sandbox?? :_(

Was there a delete tag on that? Because I definitely don't recall wanting to delete that. Only the sig, because the trick I used is now irrelevant (MediaWiki fixed its bug/loophole so I can just use the nickname trick now). Please double-check my sandbox page and put un-delete it. — 130.58 (talk) 11:44, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. — 130.58 (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

Unused images

First round done. The list of deletable images is at Each of them has been confirmed and double confirmed to be deletable.

What about unused images of users' own characters and guild capes? Deletion? And someone else should probably go through the hundreds of armor images. I won't. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 12:23, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

Ty, much appreciated. Just delete all the armour images, if we sort out what we need we can make a list and post it on guru. — Skuld 13:01, 25 July 2006 (CDT)
But there might be really great images in the arm... okay, let's just delete them. I'll make a quick check if the armor in question has none or very poor images. In that case I will put any better ones in use, but otherwise it's deletion time. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 03:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
Okay, new list ready. You left one or two images undeleted and in one case the wrong image was deleted. (one letter had the wrong capitalisation) The new list can be found at You should also check Image:Skuld.jpg and delete or not. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 04:49, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
I can't tell if you're being serious or cruel, maybe both! --Xasxas256 04:52, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
;) --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 05:21, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
I can't get on 'till the weekend :( thanks — Skuld 11:00, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
So when are you going to delete the second set? --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 18:45, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
Thank you. I'll go through all of the armor images and the armor pages during the weekend. Those unused images which are better than current ones I will add to the galleries, the rest I'll add in a list and let you delete them. At the start of the week we will have a nice and short unused images list. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 19:03, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
Phew, that was a job. Here you go: --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 07:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
Why are some of the images stil undeleted? Or are they just new unused armor images? Thanks for deleting everything. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 13:02, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
Well, this is the list of everything left which should be deleted. Some seem to be new, but there are some old friends too. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 13:18, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
Just so you know, you deleted User:Sora's weapon images (eg. Image:Zodiacbow.PNG) which were indeed in use. :/ — Galil Ranger 13:24, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
This seems to be a problem with the capitalisation. I have everything capitalised just like they should be in my delete lists, but I think the wiki doesn't delete them correctly, but instead might delete the image with the same name, but different capitalisation of the .jpg or something. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 13:28, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
Actually, that image was in your delete list, exactly capitalized like that. It was just a text-link on his/her user-page so it didn't show up in "What links here". I think a MediaWiki-modification is in place to make that page show text-links too. — Galil Ranger 13:33, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
Oh, okay. That should really be fixed, so should someone note Gravewit about it? (Not me, I'm too shy *hides*) But atleast one image was deleted with the incorrect capitalisation. A location map of a boss was in the wiki 2 times, and the one deleted was the one in use. :/ --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 13:42, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
Will do, but I believe that is hard-coded into MediaWiki, so he would have to alter the source code. I am currently trying to verify this though (since I do program php5), and will hopefully have a replacement "what links here"-list soon. :) I'm not sure if Gravewit is a php-developer. — Galil Ranger 13:52, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
Found the issue. Seems to me it's a bug since [[]] links gets listed but not [[]] links. Anyway, I've fixed the parser and tested it to verify it's working. Will just see if I can make it update all images without eating performance since it will only work with new page edits, not pages already saved. Will also look into the png resizing issue, then I'm notifying gravewit. — Galil Ranger 17:04, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
User talk:Gravewit#Various image-fixes. Just hope he will put them into use. :) — Galil Ranger 18:21, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

Mo/any Random Arenas HH healer

did you mean to delete's comment? 13:47, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

rollback reverst all edits by that user, nope — Skuld 13:48, 25 July 2006 (CDT)
Think more, rollback less. -- 14:02, 25 July 2006 (CDT)
Yessir! — Skuld 14:30, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

A/N Support Sin

what, exactly, were you bringing to our attention? that build makes my eyes hurt, but maybe it's just me. i'm scared to make a comment on it because of your bit at the top of talk. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 15:25, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

I lose my temper at mending a/mo and fire nuking a/e, didnt want to let it get lost tho - no talk and was off the front pagge — Skuld 16:21, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

Game Updates page is down

Seems like the game updates page has been down for about 7 hours now.. there's an SQL::insert error there..

Purging the article seems to have fixed it. -- 17:53, 25 July 2006 (CDT)


You don't monk any more/Luna of Valhalla has fallen out of favour? --Xasxas256 18:50, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

Done the game with her and have no skill points, nothing to do with her >< — Skuld 10:40, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

Tizzy's lil spam

Hey sku, u on gw? Look I can't logon to gw, somehow my client wont connect at all :s I need u to come on msn plez. --Tizzy 08:46, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

Just an Idiot like Karlos

Just for you to know. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Si Tacuisses (talk • contribs) 12:54 26 july 2006 (CDT).

that's totally uncalled for. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 12:58, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
Thanks, appreciate it — Skuld 12:59, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
Someone is really having a problem. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 13:06, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
I was ofcourse talking of the first poster, not Skuld who I seemed to be replying to. Sorry for the wrong indenting. --Gem-icon-sm.png (talk) 13:07, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
Karlos is an Idiot?! :O Foo 16:26, 26 July 2006 (CDT)


are you being a bit hard on him? he was just trying to protect the user page from unauthorized edits. it's not beyond the realm of imagination that someone who dislikes me could find my page and deface it. granted revert was a bit much, but it was well-intentioned. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 13:50, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Not really, if we wanted a bot to revert changes to user pages made by not the owner i'd get one — Skuld 13:55, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thumper PvP cat

Go to the main page, hit builds, hit PvP builds. It's not on *that* list, which is the one I always check. --Apocrypha 19:39, 28 July 2006 (CDT)

That is being phased out — Skuld 19:43, 28 July 2006 (CDT)
Fair enough. --Apocrypha 22:46, 28 July 2006 (CDT)


I'd love to stick around and get into a huge fist fight over the placement of the proffession icon, but I gotta hit the sack. However, I'd like to point out that we always put icons before boss names, why should skills be any different? :P -- Bishop icon2.png Bishop [rap|con] 07:06, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

Gutsy Bish, you're taking on an admin who's just spent the last 20 minutes on a deleting spree! --Xasxas256 07:08, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
Looks better :) — Skuld 07:13, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

PvP categories

thanks for checking those categories, a lot of them were guesses. i hated seeing all those uncat'd build piled together after the PvPer's pulled together to start categorizing. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 14:30, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

np :) — Skuld 14:41, 31 July 2006 (CDT)


Meleemancers 4tw. How the hell does he get away with playing that?!? I mean, it has Soul Leech, which is just an underpowered Backfire and wastes your elite slot.--Spawn 00:53, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

Did catch some casters with leech+strike+mark spike though :p — Skuld 06:37, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

GuildWiki Policy

You might be interested in what I did to GuildWiki:Policy. —Tanaric 18:12, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

Ty — Skuld 04:02, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

tested votes

changed [W/A Death's Charge Hammer Spiker] to tested with one positive vote? --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 01:14, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

It has my vote — Skuld 01:15, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
ya, but that's only two. isn't three the standard? --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 01:19, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
It's a popular build, if it was ever going to get unfavoured something is wrong ^^ — Skuld 01:21, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
popular is not nessiarily good, else mending warrior's with frenzy would be on the main page. --Honorable Sarah Honorable Icon.gif 01:24, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
High-end GvG holds more clout than knight's-robed wammos last time I checked — Skuld 01:27, 7 August 2006 (CDT)